When I am around Sociopaths I feel like I am been played like a pin ball machine...and I am never listened to and if I am heard I am then criticized unless they want something got happen, then I am being told how great I am. But they don't want a relationship. Good Grief.
My ex dad is a malignant narcissist, sociopath and narcissist together, after 30 years of experience dealing with this type of person I'd say walk away, it's completely hopeless to continue on with them, he never changed and really was more of an enemy than a parent...in fact I had enemies that treated me better than him, destructive, dysfunctional, and disturbed kinda sums him up, it's pointless...just accept the truth about them and grieve the loss
Sibling would lie, steal in her teens...other family thought it was funny, cute or they enabled. As an adult years later- this sibling was sneaky, cruel, manipularive- other family sided with her like a cult leader). I walked away 2x from them. This time for good.
I’m the narcissist family scapegoat! Been no contact for 3 years. My mother is a narcissist. I ended up dating a Npd/bpd girl for 5 years from 20 to 25 which eneded badly and I started therapy and that’s how I “woke up” to all of this. My older brother(golden child) is also a narcissist. In my family I have sociopaths as well but I went no contact so … There’s that… crazy life but I’ve done a lot of work on myself. Still working at 28 years old: moved far away from family
@@mjchristie100 even that we don’t know for sure. Because a lot of the famous psychopaths we know from the news have very traumatic childhoods as well as the biology. Both play a role. Genetics and parenting. The difference between psychopaths and sociopaths is that the latter are more functional and not necessarily convicted criminals. Though they may still engage in moral illegal and abusive antisocial behaviour.
It's taken two attorneys--one in the Chicago area and the same other in Little Rock to protect our family bag in Northeastern Illinois and Southern Arkansas from my sister's highly sociopath and passive aggressive behavior that's only worsened to the point of catching a case with the feds for suspected mail fraud and theft.
My whole family seems to be like this... they are very clever, but not clever enough. The patterns over time are very clear. However, as a child or teenager, I wasn't really looking for anything being wrong. I first saw that there was something wrong with my father. My Mother was a better actor, but eventually I discovered her pathological lies and callous, ego centric nature. I think there's different flavours of sociopathy, Father is more straight Narcissistic/sociopathic. This is clear to me as he clearly has joy in his eyes when he hears of someone's misfortune. He stole things from work, he was open about this, but he was never caught. My mother is more emotionally unstable/clingy. Some have suggested she had BPD, which does fit to a degree, however I think thats too simple. She saw others just as things for her to use, which is narcissist right? She also committed fraud (but wasn't jailed) and stole things pretty much whenever she wanted. She had me misdiagnosed and had medical obsessions, my therapist thinks she had Munchausen by Proxy. My brother too has a lot of these traits, stealing, glib and egotistical. But he doesn't get joy from people's misfortunes. He has some empathy, especially for friends and family. But he never repays loans etc. My sister seems to be much like my mother, agressive, gaslights, a patholgical liar. She claims to have been diagnosed histronic. I think I was following this path too, when I decided I didn't want to be like this in my early 20s. But yeah as a child I once punched a friend for no reason, liked fires, truanted a lot, shoplifting, stealing from friends etc. I believe people like this can change, but it must come from the person themselves. I am living proof of this. I don't think I'm better than average, but not worse either. I try and be honest, support and nurture others (and myself). I'm learning more everyday how to improve my skills in relationships and what is healthy. I don't have contact with my family, they are still very abusive. I have no interest waiting for them to change, but if they want to do that, I'd be very happy for them and their families.
My dad is misogynistic, narcisisstic, horrible combo! He treats me with very little kindness, he ruined my last birthday, I won't let him ruin the next one!
This is my biggest problem... their enmeshment!!! Not just family but alot of people do this to me. Alot of the town!!!😢 I have trauma from this. Cant sleep, and very tense
I know 5 sociopaths and they all have signs of autism in early childhood and in adulthood too, I really believe that when they diagnosed autism as psychopathy, they were right for some of them. You have the autistic person that is naive, good, real and pure but you also have these manipulative, psychopathic, evil autistic person who usually have a higher IQ. And sociopathy is a spectrum, some are really easy to recognize, the are evil and claim that they are, believe them! and there is this kind of covert one like my mom, she looks so perfect when in public but as soon as the door closes, she becomes this psychopath bitch, cruel, cold hearted and hysteric. And I think that it is where the scapegoat comes, the scapegoat is the autistic person without a personality problem IN an antisocial/narcissistic personality family trouble. That's why lots of scapegoat has a narcissistic mother.
I believe you’re right onto this. I’ve come to a similar conclusion! We have a family riddled with autism, narcissism and sociopathy. I also have the covert narc/antisocial autistic mother. (Co-dependent flying monkey father, and toxic siblings). I’m the scapegoat, L1 Autism recently diagnosed! Your comment rings so true to me.
Yes, I have thought there was a connection with early childhood autism and narcissism/sociopathy. I've had people tell me that they are two totally different things since not all autistic people are manipulative and evil, but that is the connection I've seen in my father and siblings.
We had a psychologist who was famous that I almost we t to see tears ago in our community. After I spoke to him a huge red flag went up.Glad we did go too see the man.ty for the valuable input
My husband's family has such a person ....I am not engaging with her. She took a fancy on my husband , always touching him during a conversation, but not touching others ..is a sure sign that this woman is one screw loose. Her husband was not around when this happened but and frequently leaning towards my husband . I told her to f"*k off , she said " don't be so sensitive". She also tried numerous times to provoke me into a fight in front of my husband's family but I stayed cool and just stare at her which made her even more mad... I have been avoiding her like a plague , trying not to be alone or near her. Believe me when I say this woman gives me the shivers and stress every time I encounter her. Cannot cut ties with his family, just have to let God protect me from her .
My gosh!! Finally someone who just totally explained what I've been dealing with! I have been racking my brain trying to figure it out, and now, I honestly feel like I finally have the answer. He truly was a sociopath...wow.
just want to add my voice to the chorus of thanks and say enjoy your down time and merry christmas if you celebrate it.. According to your signs, it seems my entire immediate family is sociopathic and/or narcissistic. I had thought my dad might just have "narc fleas" but I really don't think so, especially the way he behaved before and after my mom's death and how he defends my extremely evil and abusive brother almost as if he is some sort of god. I'm guessing an ability to brainwash is another sign of a sociopath. I guess I am just doomed at this point at least until my dad dies, unless I predecease him. My brother is manipulating him into harassing and making demands of me that benefit my brother, taking full advantage of my dad's inherent nastiness and aging/mental decline and taking him to the cleaners, essentially. I am starting to think I've already been disowned or he is secretly broke somehow and is just stringing me along with my "inheritance" because something is definitely way off lately. Called the police today to see what sort of investigation I could get into proxy assaults and harassment that's been going on for 8 years now and was basically abused by the police. Told that to contact my brother could result in criminal harassment charges against me, even though he lied to the police when he said i was harassing him (it was one of many obvious projections) Maybe I just need to overcome my fear of poverty and hire a lawyer because I can not seem to find help from anyone including long term friends, who I've either been badly slandered to or are in league with the devil - aka my brother.
"Put that lock on it and change it every 2 seconds" 😄😄😄. Wow that was such a clear distinct contrast between a psycho and a sociopath. Loved it I laughed outloud
I think the client you mentioned experiencing Sociopathy & Bipolar mania… Wasn’t a comorbity, but delusions of grandeur are a symptom of bipolar disorder 1. And once the person is stable and not in an episode. They’re not narcissistic.
Imagine your „family“ knows what’s going on behind your back + is so insanely happy that you get bullied online because they feel worthless compared to you ( mostly bc they always wanted education but never got it - especially Jenny that’s why her daughters should always study medicine lol
So I am of the persuasion that disorders as mentioned here have nothing to do with genetics - it's a spiritual issue. Your body/chemicals are not the cause of said behaviors but are REACTING to what's going on beyond flesh and blood. If you can literally worry yourself sick, as your body is reacting to deeper than flesh and blood factors, a person's biological activities can be reacting to what is going on in the soul. This is why it LOOKS as though disorders are a biological issue that can be passed on as there are biological similarities.. But those similarities do not mean that the issue is biological - it means that people's bodies - chemical imbalances, etc., are reacting in a similar fashion to the same spiritual problems. Chemical imbalances are a SYMPTOM, NOT the cause of disorders. Just as you cannot see the air but you can witness its effect, same thing with invisible spiritual turmoil causing biological/physical turmoil.
Re-watching this video. How do you defeat a Sociopath at their own games? Does anyone have any tips at all. Currently dealing with one right now. Any help would be great.
That's a great question! Dr. Ramani is more experienced in this realm than I am and may have some insights here on RUclips. I would say that there aren't too many suggestions or recommendations out here on how to manage a sociopath. The end result for most sociopaths is broken relationships, forced therapy, legal trouble, or some other kind of trouble. Some sociopaths go on to have sucessful lives but they are likely shallow. The best way to "beat" a sociopath at their own game is to become more knowledeable than them. Learn all you can about them in many different capacities (books, articles, movies, etc) and keep your boundaries firm until you are able to see more clearly. You have to become an expert at "finding" them.
These people want your attention and to rob you of your time, so as long as you give them that, you're participating in their game. Therefore, NEVER engage with them. You'll never win and it'll never be worth it as you'll drop to their level. Think if it as them as aggressively serving/passing a ball and as long as you just ignore it, they're just dead balls. It can be very hard so it's even better to walk off and get far away from them. As long as you don't go down the rabbit hole with them then they're wasting their own time. DON'T GIVE AWAY YOUR PEACE!!
I won. I have bpd though so I grew up knowing how the game was played. He tried to control me by taking away things that he knew I cared a lot about, his hope was I would come running begging for it back. I finally said nope, left, cut him off and he was PISSED. I gave him everything he could ever want, in the bedroom, money, so much love and acceptance. A home, transportation. He lost.
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When I am around Sociopaths I feel like I am been played like a pin ball machine...and I am never listened to and if I am heard I am then criticized unless they want something got happen, then I am being told how great I am. But they don't want a relationship. Good Grief.
The worst is a narcissistic sociopath! Thank you for this channel, so informative 🙏🏼
You are so welcome! And thank you for following and participating!
Yes they are! I recently got away from one. They are dangerous as hell too.
The dark triad Dracula types are the worst!
My ex dad is a malignant narcissist, sociopath and narcissist together, after 30 years of experience dealing with this type of person I'd say walk away, it's completely hopeless to continue on with them, he never changed and really was more of an enemy than a parent...in fact I had enemies that treated me better than him, destructive, dysfunctional, and disturbed kinda sums him up, it's pointless...just accept the truth about them and grieve the loss
I had the same experience with my mother. Enemies at school treated me better. I finally escaped.
@lesliel.6260 My ex dad! That gave me a chuckle 😂
Sibling would lie, steal in her teens...other family thought it was funny, cute or they enabled. As an adult years later- this sibling was sneaky, cruel, manipularive- other family sided with her like a cult leader). I walked away 2x from them. This time for good.
I’m the narcissist family scapegoat! Been no contact for 3 years.
My mother is a narcissist. I ended up dating a Npd/bpd girl for 5 years from 20 to 25 which eneded badly and I started therapy and that’s how I “woke up” to all of this. My older brother(golden child) is also a narcissist. In my family I have sociopaths as well but I went no contact so … There’s that… crazy life but I’ve done a lot of work on myself. Still working at 28 years old: moved far away from family
Sociopaths are made, whereas psychopaths are born that way. That's what separates them.
Right. That's one element for sure.
@@TherapistTamaraHill that's according to Dr Ramani, who's a qualified expert.
Absolutely. Had the pleasure of sharing a conference and the stage with her over a week ago. Glad you are listening!
@@mjchristie100 even that we don’t know for sure. Because a lot of the famous psychopaths we know from the news have very traumatic childhoods as well as the biology. Both play a role. Genetics and parenting. The difference between psychopaths and sociopaths is that the latter are more functional and not necessarily convicted criminals. Though they may still engage in moral illegal and abusive antisocial behaviour.
It's taken two attorneys--one in the Chicago area and the same other in Little Rock to protect our family bag in Northeastern Illinois and Southern Arkansas from my sister's highly sociopath and passive aggressive behavior that's only worsened to the point of catching a case with the feds for suspected mail fraud and theft.
My whole family seems to be like this... they are very clever, but not clever enough. The patterns over time are very clear. However, as a child or teenager, I wasn't really looking for anything being wrong. I first saw that there was something wrong with my father. My Mother was a better actor, but eventually I discovered her pathological lies and callous, ego centric nature. I think there's different flavours of sociopathy, Father is more straight Narcissistic/sociopathic. This is clear to me as he clearly has joy in his eyes when he hears of someone's misfortune. He stole things from work, he was open about this, but he was never caught.
My mother is more emotionally unstable/clingy. Some have suggested she had BPD, which does fit to a degree, however I think thats too simple. She saw others just as things for her to use, which is narcissist right? She also committed fraud (but wasn't jailed) and stole things pretty much whenever she wanted. She had me misdiagnosed and had medical obsessions, my therapist thinks she had Munchausen by Proxy.
My brother too has a lot of these traits, stealing, glib and egotistical. But he doesn't get joy from people's misfortunes. He has some empathy, especially for friends and family. But he never repays loans etc.
My sister seems to be much like my mother, agressive, gaslights, a patholgical liar. She claims to have been diagnosed histronic.
I think I was following this path too, when I decided I didn't want to be like this in my early 20s. But yeah as a child I once punched a friend for no reason, liked fires, truanted a lot, shoplifting, stealing from friends etc.
I believe people like this can change, but it must come from the person themselves. I am living proof of this. I don't think I'm better than average, but not worse either. I try and be honest, support and nurture others (and myself). I'm learning more everyday how to improve my skills in relationships and what is healthy.
I don't have contact with my family, they are still very abusive. I have no interest waiting for them to change, but if they want to do that, I'd be very happy for them and their families.
My dad is misogynistic, narcisisstic, horrible combo! He treats me with very little kindness, he ruined my last birthday, I won't let him ruin the next one!
This is my biggest problem... their enmeshment!!!
Not just family but alot of people do this to me. Alot of the town!!!😢
I have trauma from this. Cant sleep, and very tense
I know 5 sociopaths and they all have signs of autism in early childhood and in adulthood too, I really believe that when they diagnosed autism as psychopathy, they were right for some of them. You have the autistic person that is naive, good, real and pure but you also have these manipulative, psychopathic, evil autistic person who usually have a higher IQ. And sociopathy is a spectrum, some are really easy to recognize, the are evil and claim that they are, believe them! and there is this kind of covert one like my mom, she looks so perfect when in public but as soon as the door closes, she becomes this psychopath bitch, cruel, cold hearted and hysteric.
And I think that it is where the scapegoat comes, the scapegoat is the autistic person without a personality problem IN an antisocial/narcissistic personality family trouble. That's why lots of scapegoat has a narcissistic mother.
I believe you’re right onto this. I’ve come to a similar conclusion! We have a family riddled with autism, narcissism and sociopathy. I also have the covert narc/antisocial autistic mother. (Co-dependent flying monkey father, and toxic siblings). I’m the scapegoat, L1 Autism recently diagnosed! Your comment rings so true to me.
Yes, I have thought there was a connection with early childhood autism and narcissism/sociopathy. I've had people tell me that they are two totally different things since not all autistic people are manipulative and evil, but that is the connection I've seen in my father and siblings.
We had a psychologist who was famous that I almost we t to see tears ago in our community. After I spoke to him a huge red flag went up.Glad we did go too see the man.ty for the valuable input
My husband's family has such a person ....I am not engaging with her. She took a fancy on my husband , always touching him during a conversation, but not touching others ..is a sure sign that this woman is one screw loose. Her husband was not around when this happened but and frequently leaning towards my husband . I told her to f"*k off , she said " don't be so sensitive". She also tried numerous times to provoke me into a fight in front of my husband's family but I stayed cool and just stare at her which made her even more mad...
I have been avoiding her like a plague , trying not to be alone or near her. Believe me when I say this woman gives me the shivers and stress every time I encounter her. Cannot cut ties with his family, just have to let God protect me from her .
My gosh!!
Finally someone who just totally explained what I've been dealing with! I have been racking my brain trying to figure it out, and now, I honestly feel like I finally have the answer. He truly was a sociopath...wow.
just want to add my voice to the chorus of thanks and say enjoy your down time and merry christmas if you celebrate it.. According to your signs, it seems my entire immediate family is sociopathic and/or narcissistic. I had thought my dad might just have "narc fleas" but I really don't think so, especially the way he behaved before and after my mom's death and how he defends my extremely evil and abusive brother almost as if he is some sort of god. I'm guessing an ability to brainwash is another sign of a sociopath.
I guess I am just doomed at this point at least until my dad dies, unless I predecease him. My brother is manipulating him into harassing and making demands of me that benefit my brother, taking full advantage of my dad's inherent nastiness and aging/mental decline and taking him to the cleaners, essentially. I am starting to think I've already been disowned or he is secretly broke somehow and is just stringing me along with my "inheritance" because something is definitely way off lately. Called the police today to see what sort of investigation I could get into proxy assaults and harassment that's been going on for 8 years now and was basically abused by the police. Told that to contact my brother could result in criminal harassment charges against me, even though he lied to the police when he said i was harassing him (it was one of many obvious projections) Maybe I just need to overcome my fear of poverty and hire a lawyer because I can not seem to find help from anyone including long term friends, who I've either been badly slandered to or are in league with the devil - aka my brother.
"Put that lock on it and change it every 2 seconds" 😄😄😄. Wow that was such a clear distinct contrast between a psycho and a sociopath. Loved it I laughed outloud
I had to have a barrier put on my bedroom door, as a kid, ironically, but the narc dad/perp. It should have been a deadbolt lock, instead!
Thank you Mrs. Hill, I missed the live but in class now!!!
😂🤗I love that!! "In class now"
You're welcome and glad to have you on the channel.
Me too, Frankie!
I'm looking for the app that you suggested for security on the phone.
A shark, alligator, and raptor, tiger etc are aggressive by nature. and so is a sociopath!
My narc dad is verbally abusive to me, I have nil to no contact with him, for my emtional protection. It works.
I think the client you mentioned experiencing Sociopathy & Bipolar mania…
Wasn’t a comorbity, but delusions of grandeur are a symptom of bipolar disorder 1. And once the person is stable and not in an episode. They’re not narcissistic.
Also, do you know the name of the app? I didn’t see it in the description. I appreciate you teaching us!
Do their moods swift really fast? For example mine, would hate me one minute and love me the next? Hot and cold behavior all the time?
@Cellia836 that sounds like bpd
Imagine your „family“ knows what’s going on behind your back + is so insanely happy that you get bullied online because they feel worthless compared to you ( mostly bc they always wanted education but never got it - especially Jenny that’s why her daughters should always study medicine lol
So I am of the persuasion that disorders as mentioned here have nothing to do with genetics - it's a spiritual issue. Your body/chemicals are not the cause of said behaviors but are REACTING to what's going on beyond flesh and blood. If you can literally worry yourself sick, as your body is reacting to deeper than flesh and blood factors, a person's biological activities can be reacting to what is going on in the soul. This is why it LOOKS as though disorders are a biological issue that can be passed on as there are biological similarities.. But those similarities do not mean that the issue is biological - it means that people's bodies - chemical imbalances, etc., are reacting in a similar fashion to the same spiritual problems. Chemical imbalances are a SYMPTOM, NOT the cause of disorders. Just as you cannot see the air but you can witness its effect, same thing with invisible spiritual turmoil causing biological/physical turmoil.
Thank you for info! Would mind listing the app that detects spyware please? Thanks so much ❤
Everyone is asking! Thank you for the reminder. yes, it is www.fing.com/. You should be able to track what's on your wifi
@@TherapistTamaraHill thank you 😘 happy holidays 🎄☃️
You're welcome!! And thank you. Same to you.
Re-watching this video. How do you defeat a Sociopath at their own games? Does anyone have any tips at all. Currently dealing with one right now. Any help would be great.
That's a great question! Dr. Ramani is more experienced in this realm than I am and may have some insights here on RUclips.
I would say that there aren't too many suggestions or recommendations out here on how to manage a sociopath. The end result for most sociopaths is broken relationships, forced therapy, legal trouble, or some other kind of trouble. Some sociopaths go on to have sucessful lives but they are likely shallow.
The best way to "beat" a sociopath at their own game is to become more knowledeable than them. Learn all you can about them in many different capacities (books, articles, movies, etc) and keep your boundaries firm until you are able to see more clearly. You have to become an expert at "finding" them.
Don’t play the game. That’s how you win. The game has been molded in their favor. You don’t have to play.
These people want your attention and to rob you of your time, so as long as you give them that, you're participating in their game. Therefore, NEVER engage with them. You'll never win and it'll never be worth it as you'll drop to their level. Think if it as them as aggressively serving/passing a ball and as long as you just ignore it, they're just dead balls. It can be very hard so it's even better to walk off and get far away from them. As long as you don't go down the rabbit hole with them then they're wasting their own time. DON'T GIVE AWAY YOUR PEACE!!
I won. I have bpd though so I grew up knowing how the game was played. He tried to control me by taking away things that he knew I cared a lot about, his hope was I would come running begging for it back. I finally said nope, left, cut him off and he was PISSED. I gave him everything he could ever want, in the bedroom, money, so much love and acceptance. A home, transportation. He lost.
Hi you mentioned the app that spots spyware, what was that app? Thank u for the amazing information ℹ️
You're welcome!! Here it is www.fing.com/
I think you forgot to list the app that tells you if you're being watched through your wifi, bugged, etc.
What if we're the sociopath??
That's a good question! It wouldn't change anything other than the simple fact that perhaps you might see yourself in the live chat.
Good 🌞 Do you have the App information to detect 'spy' devices? Thanks in advance 😎
Sure do!! Thanks for reminding me www.fing.com/.
you're welcome!
App you mentioned?
What happens if they had A LOT of power and money?
A lot of drama and sometimes pathological lies, deception, and manipulation.
Hi
Did anyone get the name of the app to delect spy devices that the Dr mentions in this?
Fing. 😁 No promotion here but it's great.
@19:10 "totally different lens"
you nailed it!🎯👁🩸