FIXING ART: Samdoesarts Gets His Art Fixed By Twitter Art Guru
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Mohammed Agbadi talking about samdoesarts and his recent run in with a twitter art guru who was fixing his art.
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Ty for making this video Mohammed!!!! We love some good tea
oh stop i'm shy 😊
Oh damn, that's a pleasant surprise to see
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HI
Good tea is best tea 😙✌
Ppl on twitter are built different 💀💀💀
I agree with you
Nah these mfs migrated from tumblr. We don't claim them
@@callmestumps6954 So true 😂
@@callmestumps6954 nah you twitter folk truly are of a different kind
@@novakitty1619 I won't deny that. But those mfs are definitely the ones who mayflowered over when tumblr banned porn
I cannot image how confident someone must be to edit Sam's work of all things.
bro!!!!! likeee sam of all people bro come on!
Delusional confidence that's what.
The "fix" was actually on point, not better or worse but just different, still looked okay. Unnecessary, nobody asked for it but yeah - I can see why the "fixer" could think the upper lip should have more defined shape. It looks more cartoonish tho. In Sam's version the shape is more realistic. So it's all just about who has what kind of preferences.
@@realswobby It's barely "on point" if the artistic INTENDED to look as stylized as that. It doesn't need to be a "Defined shape" if it's not striving for realism.
@@realswobby it wasn’t fixed.
“Fixed your art, hope you’re hap-“
I don’t remember asking you a god damn thing
😅
"Fixed your art, hope you're hap-"
gunshots
@@jamie-rs1ne “Fixed your art, hope you’re hap-“
*gets whacked in the head and wakes up in squid game*
"Fixed your art, hope you're hap-"
thanks but where's the guy who asked?
Before you continue your statement of power and wrongfulness, mind showing me the person who questioned your existence?
People who "fix" art and those art teachers who correct your sketch by drawing over it give me the same vibes..
It happened to me with my junior high art teacher 🤣I was drawing a tree in my school area and my art teacher saw it. She took my drawing and she suddenly drew over my drawing without me asking. "That's now how you draw trees. you have to make big branches and blablabla" ._. dude. What. I'm just drawing a tree in front of me and suddenly it becomes a weird bonsai looking tree with so many branches and shrubs.
I tear my drawing at home cause I was so pissed. I don't even wanna call it my art anymore. Sobs.😢
Some art teachers should not be art teachers
I'm fine with teachers drawing over my art because we're litterally in a scholar environment, the clearer the correction, the better it is and the art I do for class is learning material that I could throw out if needed
In this case it's complete unwarranted strangers stomping into your actual shared work, just ridiculous
@@someoneyoumightknow2795 I agree for sketches/studies/etc. but never for finished pieces. imo it's better to use a piece of tracing paper to correct lines or do a sketchy example on a different piece of paper/canvas to correct a finished piece's issues.
the countless amount of times ive experienced art teachers drawing over my sketch or even art is astronomical. it just doesnt feel like _i_ drew that, it feels like they drew that. i went to art school to get better at art not have a collab w them.
“I fixed an eyelash on your self portrait. I am a hero 🦸🏾♀️ 👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾 “
lmaooo
Praise be!
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Bruh ppl be like "lmao fixed your art" like bruh everyone draws differently and uniquely.
Art is Subjective.
Exactly, and not only that if the person had any doubt about Sam's art they could've messaged him privately. Or they could have checked the rest of his page and see if this is a common trait in his painting.
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don't let them hear youuuu
Oh hey look, someone with braincells.
Facts
Anytime I see someone "fix art" or "does it better" I have to remind myself that there is a painting of a black dot worth millions and an "invisible" statue worth thousands out there. There is no true definition on "what is art". It's all about perspective and what the artist wants to convey in their work.
😪 i just remembered the banana taped on canvas
you don't remember that time some dude just entered the art gallery, placed some glasses on the ground, and left, and it was treated as an artpiece? or the time that someone's art piece literally got swept up by a janitor who thought it was just trash on the ground?
i tend to moreso just laugh at the "art fixer" types, just because their definition of "realistic" is usually pretty flawed (as with most people that complain when fictional drawings or stories are "unrealistic")
this reminds me of an art history class I had in college. We learned about this artist who (or so he claimed, who knows) put his literal shit in cans. It's called Artist's Shit by Piero Manzoni. Art is very subjective indeed. Here's the wikipedia page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist%27s_Shit
I’m just automatically reminded of the pineapple that a group of students left at an art museum that eventually got its own glass case for observing.
@@MohammedAgbadi yep, the Comedian XD
I hate people who fix art, like if you dislike the drawing/artist, don’t look at more of it, that makes no sense
totally. i get not liking an artist and his artstyle, but, it doesn't warrant being rude and disrespectful to artists
Totally. Like, just draw your own shit hahaha ya know
Yes, that’s so rude of people to do that to an artist.
Right, as an artist it’s insulting that the people who “fix” another artist’s work think they’re doing that artist a favor
Thinking about it, I ""fix"" the character designs all the time, even when drawing characters I actually like the designs of.
Except, I usually just say it's my own personal interpretation of the character, or say I thought it might be interesting to see how a character would look with some different features. I'm not gonna be like "I fixed your shitty art uwu" if I really hated the design that much I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole tbh
I wish people would learn that whoever made this art probably achieved something in the process that made *them* feel good. You shouldn’t fix what was never broken, or never made to be broken. In this case, art.
twitter don't want to even hear that at all. to them once it's on twitter, that's free real estate
@@MohammedAgbadi That’s seriously messed up. Doesn’t that count to plagiarism, when someone “only” fixes the art? Why do those people even think that it is ok to do that. I totally agree with your points and arguments.
Fixing art can become toxic so fast. Ive seen ppl I follow and friends post themselves as characters in a universe like Ghibli etc. And people flame them because of their style, body size or skin color doesnt match the OG. Art is subjective and once you start telling an artist how they should perform it effects their personal growth in finding their on syle.
I never achieve anything good during my art .if my art ever ends up getting "fixed " if I think it looks better ill add parts of it to my style
Aplease don't say "o no it probalby good!" becauss im in a really bad mental state rn n ill probably forget this comment. I don't need to be reminded of it existing
if it ain't broke, don't fix it
"Fixing" isn't even really about correcting errors in a drawing. Its about making changes that are more inline to what the Fixer thinks is good. So really fixing art isnt even about the artist who made the original image, its just the fixer being really selfish and forcing their world view on some one who can actually create some thing.
Truer words can't explain it better.
Facts
Fixing art can become toxic so fast. Ive seen ppl I follow and friends post themselves as characters in a universe like Ghibli etc. And people flame them because of their style, body size or skin color doesnt match the OG. Art is subjective and once you start telling an artist how they should perform it effects their personal growth in finding their on syle.
Period
Put Duchamp's urinal back in a restroom... Fixed your "art" ya weirdo
I think the funniest part is that it seems obvious that Sam knows how an irl upper lip looks and chose to draw it in this particular way on purpose. He didn't 'make a mistake' there, it was suppose to be like this.
espec since the person who "fixed" it clearly just used a smudge/liquify tool and didn't repaint anything. Absolutely no talent "fix" lmao
Twitter: you can't criticize the way my art looks! That's just mY ArTsTyLe!!!
Also Twitter: this artist drew something in a way that isn't 100% accurate to life? Lmao TRASH 💀
and there is a huge variety when it come to people's lips irl. some people have a more defined cupid's bow (the "fixed" version) and other people don't. to think that they are "fixing" anything when the artist clearly intended it to look that way.... 🤦♀
to play devil's advocate, that doesnt mean it looks good
she looks like a who in my opinion
@@alexoxo1 based W
unwanted criticism is unwanted it's THAT simple ._.
they missed the part where it said "UN"
Usually useless criticism just a bunch of idiots that are completely clueless and self centered people or just bored cringe attention seekers, criticism isn't bad it's just these guys are clueless and have zero logic
I honestly get so weirdly infuriated when I see "no unwanted criticism" under art posts because it shows that the artist isn't open to growing. However, fixing art simply is NOT criticism. It's not constructive. It's just like being slapped in the face with a fish
@@callmestumps6954 i dont think it show that the artist is unwilling to grow. im a very sensitive person and i need to mentally prepare myself for critic. if i need critic then i will ask. i think giving critic is very rude when the person didnt ask for it. Imagine a young artist worked very hard on a piece and suddenly someone says "oh that doesnt look right. oh you couldve done that better" its demotivating and might make them stop. if someone wants critic then theyll ask. You might not be in the headspace for critic
@@karma-bomb as an artist myself, I genuinely believe that you are unable to grow. You can't use "being sensitive" as an excuse to refuse critique. It's a part of life. And you have to learn to accept when things happen to you. Even if you didn't ask for it. And being unable to handle critique just shows that you're not mature as a creator. 🤷 Sorry m8. World ain't nice
I really hate the tone policing about these situations. “Sam was unprofessional!! He needs to be nicer!!”
Like no actually what’s unprofessional is having the audacity to think your opinion is important enough to modify someone else’s art unprompted. YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER HERE. DO NOT EDIT PEOPLES ART LIKE THIS. Make your own shit if you really think you’re so talented.
His statement wasn’t even rude - no name calling, no tagging, no insults - and in fact it’s correct to call people out when they are being disrespectful. If these people really want to understand what “unprofessional” is, let them taste it themselves by going to an art class and drawing directly on someone else’s piece during a critique.
i completely agree but i still think people should be rude to art thieves. like u disrespect my art why should i respect and be nice to u about it?? yknow
@@rubinschwarz that's exactly what I mean! Be rude to art thieves bc it's not like they need it to live. It's not like stealing bread to feed your family. It's just stealing clout and pretending you have a skillset you don't and drawing attention away from the actual artist. I was just saying that Sam was very polite and there's literally nothing to find real fault in with his story post. People get butthurt when artists are rightfully angry and "rude" to art thieves, but Sam wasn't even rude.
@@rabbit-rabbit-boy i know i know! i just wanted to stress that artist SHOULD be rude. and i mean the whole set: cussing them out, calling them out, name dropping etc., teach those thieves a lesson the hard way. people saying that the artist should be "professional" have no idea what they are talking about. i didn't mean to explain your comment to you again, i wanted to radicalise it. im sorry if that came out wrong
I think what the editor of Sam's art tried to do was a similar thing to what Sam does in some of his videos. They failed to consider that he actually has permission to roast or advise on how he'd alter the artworks, and they took it upon themselves thinking it would be okay on that basis.
For instance, if Sam absolutely slaughtered me in a video because I'd used his hashtag giving him permission to do so, I'd find it hilarious, but if he'd made a video without my approval and was roasting my art, I'd be more like wtf
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Art Fixing is just a fancy new word for art theft.
lmaooo fancy af
In a way, isn’t this technically a form of plagiarism too? Or maybe appropriation, since that’s an actual art practice that describes this situation pretty well...lightly modyfiying work without permission and such. And maybe it’s a little more accurate than art theft? I’m not entirely sure though…I think I’m just confused about the dictionary definition of art theft and the way it’s received online since they seem very different. But I think you said it better than me XD
@@RANDAJOE Thing is, there's a difference between fair use and public domain images, and someone's private works where they didn't want nor asked for crit. Great example; the Spider-man MJ cover that Mark Campbell got pissy over was fair use. It belongs under Marvel copyright, he was hired as an artist to draw it, not defend it. It's perfectly fine and standard for budding artists to copy off and redraw marvel comics and panels. That's how many Marvel artists admit they learned to draw. As they are fair use images one can use to study. Now, if that was his personal work, then by all means, he would have every right to get pissy at the unsolicited crit. But since it was under Marvel contract and copyright, he should have taken the punches. I hope that makes sense? Taking art and reposting or sharing without credit and even worse, without citing the source is theft. Since art is involved, it evolved to tack theft onto the end of art. But I get where it can be confusing.
@@KashimusPrime Yeah, that makes a little more sense to me. Tbh I didn’t know all that much about the whole situation with Campbell, but I think it’s a good comparison, and by all means a much better explanation here than from what I’ve heard about it. Still kind of confusing, but hey, at least I learned something new. Thanks!
@@RANDAJOE Hang around, I'm sure Webster's is bound to add this definition someday soon. After all, they added the widely used term 'Butthurt' as meaning very upset. I think Art Theft is due for an updated addition since it's very widely used.
You’re allowed to critique art, you can give out advise and it can help improve artists artwork, but please, taking peoples art and editing it is just awful, it’s not helping, its just defacing someones art and making it what you want it to be
a comment.
THE COMMENT.
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It can be ok with no bad intentions, or if someone actually wants it (I ask for some of my artist friends to change stuff that looks weird or I don't notice so I can see what more experienced people do) I can agree with the "fixing art doesn't make you a hero" thing tho
@@ruiK774 I mean you're giving consent about it though, these "art fixers" are straight up doing this without being asked. Doing it for *their* own expectations.
@@kitsudanagisa yeah that's what I'm pointing out about, people should ask when they improve art that has incorrect proportions or can be improved.
It shouldn't be seen as a bad thing but people "fixing" it are usually just missing the point of the drawing (adding clothes or changing the body parts while accusing artists of sexualizing drawings are not fixes)
Bro you need to make a vid where you're actually drawing love your stuff by the way
i'll start doing those again
@@MohammedAgbadi pls do, I learned a lot from your old videos 🙏🏿
yes pls do, i learned alot
me too
I side with Sam,not out of bias but because I believe in the rule of consent/permission.
agreed.
if i was sam, i would just type " ? " and other artist will follow. let the non educated kid learn that nobody ask for it.
I don't know Sam and I believe in the unwritten law of decency and asking for permission/consent first.
Unpopular opinion: Minus the lack of consent the upper lip protruding does make it look better. 🤷♀️
She kinda looks like a pufferfish in the right one.
I'm an old man shouting at clouds, but I really think the lack of respect inherent in "fixing" someone else's work is a young kids perspective - they genuinely don't see that it's an issue. That's why they should be called out.
I’m pretty sure Zee (notorious “art fixer”) was in their twenties…
It's usually *adults* doing it, not kids, meaning it's an adult's perspective. Why come after kids when kids are so open to creativity? The disrespect!
@@LadyAstarionAncunin get off my lawn. lol
Amen to that.
@@Spamkromite No, as the other person said, it's the other way around?? Kids can't even draw 84% of the time. It's people in their 20s usually 'fixing' art
It’s like going to a museum, then saying “Hey I don’t like how they did that,” then proceed to take the painting down and draw on someone else’s hard work and identity as an artist , then put it back saying “here fixed your shit.”
No one is debating whether or not art is open to criticism when an artist post something. Remember that you as the viewer have no right tinker with the original piece unless given the consent from the artist to do so.
Is the "here fixed your shit" a reference to that girl(?) on Twitter who "fixed" a sonic drawing by changing one of the characters skintone?
@@medianabelle ooo definitely
@@medianabelle Yeah lol
@@Cabbywabbytabby it just doesn't get old
Bouta go fix the Mona Lisa and give that bitch some eyebrows 😤
This kind of behaviour re-traumatises me - I went to a classically-oriented art academy and there it was normal that you'd be working on something and the professor would swoop in take your charcoal and correct your piece. Yes, it's in a school setting and you're there to learn basics, but everyone disliked those professors and preferred to go to drawing classes to professors who would show you with their hands where a perspective line should be, or how to fix the proportions, rather than just stepping in and drawing over your work. It's called respect.
I completely agree. I think we’ve all had that one teacher that would draw over everything! And then you’re just staring at it going damn where’d my art go?
I agree! I will never forget an incident that happened in kindergarten of all places.
I was 5 and drawing Rapunzel. I wanted to make her pretty so I drew a tiny nose because I knew that from disney.
My teacher came along and said "why doesn't she have a nose? You know that people have noses?" And just took a fat red pencil and drew a GIANT red square in her face. It looked soooo ugly.
I was MORTIFIED because it felt so invasive. 5 year old me was really proud of that painting but then I threw it away and cried.
Twenty years later I *still* haven't forgotten that happened and after it I stopped showing my art to people.
My point is: I knew at the age of 5 that's it's disrespectful, invasive, condescending and it clearly left an impression on me at that age.
I can't imagine why adult people wouldn't automatically see an issue with that. Maybe it's just a mild from of narcissism.
@@steinistein8611 Alright, but that was a random kindergarten teacher. If you're at a school specific for art, expect to be corrected. Ofc no one should draw over your finished piece, but if it's a sketch and it's a professional art teacher and you still don't like them correcting it, then why are you there for??
@@147edge4 I feel like you missed my point
If you ask to be corrected, of course you should expect to be. But when you're just having your art laying around somewhere, be it Twitter or a desk, no one should feel entitled to "correcting" it
@@steinistein8611 I didn't miss your point, you missed mine. I said on a finished piece, you shouldn't be corrected, and obviously you'd only post a finished piece on Twitter. And that non-art teacher had no right to correct something a 5 year old drew.
But the second you go and sign up for a professional art school or class, you are actually /asking/ to be corrected there. You signed up with the knowledge that you are going to be corrected there, and if you didn't think about that then wow. These teachers are not there to teach stylistic art choices, they're there to teach realistic body proportions and perspectives, and so if you're doing something wrong then you are definitely /doing something wrong/.
how i see this is like:
"hey, your art doesn't suit my taste and doesn't match with my knowledge about face. here, i fixed your art so it can suit my taste. because for me, my taste is much better than yours. so, this fixed art is better."
actually, almost every fixing art i saw, was like this.
I mean the person who decided to fix sams art work was looking into the little details
For something that Sam creates you dont really have to look at little details because the image will be viewed in full scale so little details will look weird
true. asides from that, sam's drawings and paintings are stylised. so there's that!
What no one has apparently mentioned is that downloading an artist's work, editing it, then reuploading it is literally illegal.
That's not necessarily true. There's the fair use argument for copyrighted works and this is used all the time when a lawsuit is brought against somebody accused of stealing art and modifying it to some degree. Those cases can and do go either way.
@@edith2821 it 100% is, regardless of usage.
People just don't understand copyright law. Whether something consists copyright infringement is absolutely not dependant upon whether something is being used commercially or not.
yes it is for sure illegal! if the user did not give consent for that person to download edit and reupload they could sue
It isnt
@@redfear77 It is.
As a person who makes art, I definitely feel like people should hold their critiques for when someone asks for constructive input? and even if an artist didn't ask for constructive input or a critique, it is very easy to ask an artist "hey! Can I give you some input on this image you did?" and then go from there!! Its just so much more polite to ask, and then you might also learn something from them or even make a friend? (also the whole critique sandwich thing should probably always be used unless you have a good rapport with that specific artist)
Also 100% agree, just taking someone's art and editing it without permission or even without asking if they want input is just, incredibly rude!! Like you don't walk up to someone and just start removing their jewelry or taking their hat and throwing it in the trash can and then saying "there! I fixed your outfit for you!" (this isn't a 100% perfect comparison of course but you get the idea)
really good video, I can't wait to see the next one!
I agree. It's better to ask if they can take some criticism than just outright saying it. I've received some unsolicited criticisms before, it affected me internally because I didn't know how to approach it.
Also, only 'fix' an artist's work if said artist gave you permission. Just have some basic human decency, folks.
Absolutely. As an artist, I never appreciate unsolicited critique, even if stated very nicely. 99% of the time it's irrelevant to me because it's something I've already thought of, or it's too early in the artwork process, or the artwork is finished and I'm not making any more adjustments once I'm done.
I think that's a pretty good analogy
@@joannamarieart usually also it's a stylistic choice!
It's Twitter....What did you expect to happen? They only have three braincells.
lmaoooo
i could immediately tell where the fix is
despite what you said i think that fix looked actually better
Yep.
Honestly, me too. However, ‘fixing’ art is still condescending as fuck.
Social media is so insecure that anyone can download artists' precious artworks to steal them or so-called "fix" them. If people use this reverse image search engine tool, they would be so surprised or shocked to know where they artworks have been.
How can you fix perfection
Tracers: easy
Me:how?
Tracers:easy
LMAOO
Thx for the like!
I noticed that a part of their ‘fix’ was appeared to be making the original’s nose less flat/more prominent which I thought was odd. Not everyone has an pointy nose and it should be okay for that to be reflected in art.
fixing art is so different from just giving constructive criticism 😭 the thing is that constructive criticism is meant to help the artist improve and note their weaker areas etc., and fixing art honestly helps nobody except for the person doing the ‘fixing’.
Things like this are why I get scared to share my art online. I want critiques, I don't want my style to be belittled.
It’s up to you, if you can’t handle internet jerks, then don’t. If you can, then do. Good criticism is so rare online it might as well not exist.
I think this problem is an extension of: "but that's my opinion!", when people say some rude or really negative stuff on internet for no other reason that they can, because internet is giving voices to everyone. At one hand, people are already used to: "Your voice matters! Express yourself! Share your thoughts! You are really more important and interesting, than you think". At the other hand it may slip past someone, that importance of their own opinion doesn't override other voices. Just because you have an opinion, doesn't mean people should just swallow whatever it is if you are invading someone's territory. Any opinion can be voiced in a way it will be received happily. Also, it's normal just to have an opinion without doing anything about it.
Exactly I’ve been looking for those words to use
Twitter is a cesspool of stupid opinions and posers who love nothing more than to add to stupidity or misery.
I like Sam's art and YT a lot so it sucks to hear that was his experience for sharing a "glad to be back in the studio" piece with the world.
Mohammed, I loved your take on the JZ reference! Great video my bro!
I used to think that "fixing" art was a good thing that help an artist in some aspects wich them don't see or just missed on point.. The older me was so damn wrong.
The key is 'consent'. That's why 'roast my art' discord channels exist. Artists who post on their social media however, never explicitly ask for the 'fixing'
well it depends. fixing art like this where it is unwarranted, and not even requested by the artist is awfully wrong. but criticism and paintovers in private are a good way to improve and notice mistakes in your work.
The only time I "fixed" somebody else's art was because the artist posting the picture asked for advice and critique, even red-lines were allowed. I did and I was called off because I literally red-lined ALL (because the original was really awful in all senses, from proportion to perspective, volume...). I never did it again and resorted since then to just write lengthly walls of text describing all that was wrong, in a time when my English was as poor as her own way of drawing humans. Sometimes one doesn't know if what you do helps until others literally call you off. Guess we need to spread more videos about this subject, and Mohammed is doing a good work with that 👍
It's all about consent. In a way also, you're possibly embarrassing a person if you give them public unwanted criticism.
As someone who worked on art talent search before, we were looking at the art portfolios, not "fixing art" portfolios. Fixing art would get you nowhere except satisfying your ego. It's true that making your own art and improving yourself is better and more professional. I doubt that the ones thinking or saying otherwise have even been in the professional industry before.
Me: *proceeds to take the Mona Lisa off the gallery wall and proceeds to paint eyebrows on it* " I fixed your art, Leonardo. You're welcome :)"
thats a physical piece so fixing it is inherently different. if the person did it to the original file only then would there be an issue
Don’t compare garbage modern ‘art’ to the renaissance
I think you just didn't understand the joke, buddy.
The thing is that this ain't even good criticism. Good criticism elaborates on details on why something was wrong, and how it could be improved. To make the critique go down better, it's best to also highlight stuff that you like about the artwork and what the artist did right. It shouldn't always be what someone did wrong, otherwise it would make the artist feel shit about their own art. They wanna also know what people like about their art too.
Taking a drawing and editing it with zero context other than "fixed it for u" isn't helpful criticism at all. It's a flex.
This! That's exactly how I feel about the subject. I feel like people who are against all criticism (and they include good criticism) really don't want to hear what people think of their art. In that case, I find it silly to post your art to a public place and only expect an echo chamber where everyone feels the exact same way about your art. That's not how art works, and that's not how life with opinionated people works. Still, I dont see "art fixers" as actual critiques either, they're glorified plagiarists.
I think the strange thing to me is people acting like "fixing art" is some sort of accepted form of art criticism. We have centuries of art and criticism and people managed to talk about art and improve without someone coming along and putting "fixed" versions up beside the originals.
And yet art was made, artists improved and art evolved.
This is some weird modern trend that isn't improving anything. Which is sad because there is a lot of wonderful art that does a fanatic job of recontextualizing art by taking direct inspiration and adding something actually interesting to the mix.
"Accepted form". They just need to be told otherwise and correct this view, for it's hurting others and it's a very selfish take upon the art of others.
The kind of sad/hilarious reason that people likely didn't post a second image of their "fixed" version of, like, a painting next to the original in the past is because they'd have to recreate the whole image perfectly from scratch but with the one small modification, and most of these people wouldn't have the skill to recreate the original work, and if they do have the skill, they have better things to spend their time on.
The thing is, when people talk about “fixing” art, they are implying that there is something wrong with the piece in the first place. What some people don’t understand is that art is subjective: there’s no right or wrong. Instead, different styles and works of art appeal to different people. Art is a medium of creative expression for different personal styles, interpretations, and aesthetics (and keep in mind that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so not everyone will find the same type of thing beautiful). If there was a “correct” way to do art and no variation in style of artworks, art (at least for me) would lose all of its meaning.
In my opinion, the one person is partially right. Unwarranted critiques are a fact of life. However, STEALING someone’s art and “fixing” it is 100% wrong.
Criticism helps us grow as artists. Whether we ask for it or not, it helps us. But when some greasy mf who's slinking over their laptop going "this art would be better if I made it" instead of making their own art? Nah. That's just nasty
I always question myself: how the hell they even have time for fixing other people art?
...Making art on your own, takes 100% of spare time already xD
They probably live in some other dimension, where time goes slower or idk.
I've never had someone "critiquing" my art without my express permission ever give any constructive criticism. It's always either insulting my artstyle or outright bullying.
I still remember when I was in my mid to late teens, some artist decided to give a critique when I literally didn't ask for one.
Except it wasn't a critique.
It was just them saying "a 6 year old can draw better than you" and telling me to give up because my artwork looks like literal garbage. I kept yelling at them that this was just harassment and they weren't giving me any valuable information. The only thing they told me that could be construed as critique in any way was telling me I need to practice the anatomy of the shoulder muscles.
I rarely accept critiques from strangers anymore because so many of them had absolutely nothing of value to say and were either using it as a mask to bully others or were complaining that someone else's art style does not appeal to the style they would like that artist to have.
I'm a fulltime illustrator and I've never gotten unwanted critique from strangers. If someone commented, under my work, smt like that guy had, I would remove the comment and block the person because I didn't ask for public critique or insults.
@@DrBitchcraft. i think it depends on who or where you are.
The more popular you are, the more likely you are to get random strangers giving "critique".
But it's also more common in small art communities like deviantart groups and discord servers. All critique and "critique" i have recieved has been in small art communities where critique is encouraged because bullies find it easy to get away with harassment if they focus on your art and call it a "critique".
@@LilChuunosuke that really sucks that you had to go through that! Every time I give a critique online (which is very rare because I now realize artists seem to be very sensitive about that now), I would always be constructive and NEVER tear down an artist's work. I would tell them everything that is working well before pointing out what is hindering their work some (even then I would only ever point out a major issue like someone having two right hands or something like that). If someone's art is really bad I just won't say anything tbh.
i mean no offense but that "fixed" art kinda looks better imo... but ur right they shouldn't fix it or anything
I agree.
People who “fix” another person’s artwork purposely forget the fact not everyone has the same style and art is what the artist conveys. For so long I felt insecure in doing any art at all because people will criticize my range of value proportions
Fixing Sam's art? How? HOW?
more like looking for trouble
I can totally understand sam for being angry! If this happened to me however who isn't a professional and struggles to find the motivation to study and improve on my own so one day I could be a professional.... it would push my motivation down the drain! Whenever you see something wrong with someone else's art, just keep it to yourself unless they specifically ask for criticism. They will improve and they will eventually see it themselves there's no need to risk destroying their confidence on something stupid that they are set to improve if they don't give up.
The fact that it comes off as “I’m doing you a favour”. Like as long as someone’s art isn’t offending anyone, then why does it have to ‘be fixed’. Like don’t fix what ain’t broke
But does it? When you stop and read the post it seems more like a question to start a topic of what lips should look like. But the post is visible just for a second and it's nobody but Mr. Agbadi who uses words like fixing or favour here. He puts this situation in line with others fully deserving being pointed and laughed at, but I don't think this particular person fits there.
@@kaksspl I don’t think the person is deserving of hate and I am aware that Agbadi placed favour to SamDoesArt. But, even so, I think that if an artist isn’t asking for a debate or an opinion on their piece, it’s kind of stepping out of someone else’s boundaries to just go ahead and do it anyways. The person who fixed the art may have had no I’ll intentions but it wasn’t truly called for if the art is seemingly fine nonetheless. Your point is of course correct but their are also other boundaries when someone wants to share their art.
@@nur5239 True and yet I still disagree. Obviously if you post your art on the internet, you want it to affect people so they look at it, hopefully enjoy it, talk about it and share it. You don't want them to just stare quietly, say nothing at all an move on immediately. But then if we put a line on what kind of discussions we want about our drawings, that becomes censorship. Sure we hope everyone compliments us but we can't forbid people from sharing different opinions. I mean, technically we have the means to do that, but is that the right thing to do? Who are we to put those boundaries there of what can and cannot be said?
Sam was totally in the right! “Fixing art” is such a problem, and very unwanted. If the artist wants help they would’ve asked.
totally
As a beginner artist, I tend to download some of my favorite artists images off of instagram to study them and have all of the pieces i look up to in one place. That's ok right?
That's fine friend! That's just referencing, even professional artists do that, as long as you're not tracing that's kore than fine ;)
Yeah thats a brilliant tactic! Lots of professionals do it do so no worries, so long as you dont trace/heavily reference and post as your own
Yes for personal use
It's definitely okay!
Something I'd like to suggest is trying to trace the shapes of the drawing's subjects, so you can have an understanding of how it's built.
(It's probably some basic advice, but it did help me early on, so hopefully it can help you too!) If you're more of an artist that uses line work (like inking), try tracing the shapes of the body (rectangles, circles, triangles, etc). If you're more of a painter, try tracing the shapes of the colors to see them all in neat little blocks to make it more visible and you can see how it's built !!
Trying to recreate a piece based on the blocky figures you were able to find in the reference feels easier (to me, at least) than just looking at a reference and trying to copy it line by line.
Honestly, tracing someone else's artwork is okay but only if you're using it strictly to learn about their process. To trace it completely and say "hey, I made this!", However, is pretty wrong.
I hope this helps, even if just a little !!
Remember, taking from one source is stealing. Taking from several sources is research.
You are incorrect. its not that the upper lip was not protruding."Art-fixer" didn't even touched the lips from what I can see.. Its the lack of collumela. Or should I say, they (Sam) just merged the collumela straight into the upper lip from the nose tip. The character in front view would look like a piggy voldemort. And it does looks odd. It is very reminiscent of modern anime (just look at edens zero characters in profile...). But this render was a lot more "realistic" hence the oddness. Now, I don't think its right to fix someone's art, personally I don't mind critiques but I definitely wouldn't paintover a piece and expose the artist. I agree with you on this.
Just make sure you follow your own advice of "not to judge someone's stylistic choices" even when you for some reason hold a grudge against certain artists... ;)
The stupidest fix I think I've ever seen was one that was trying to "fix" a photorealistic artwork. How do you fix something that is exactly like the real life object????
I...I guess maybe the shading...? But that is legitimately a whole new level of galaxy brain 💀💀💀
This extends to every kind of work and media. I've had people look at my writing advice and criticize it for not explaining certain things to them when what they're asking for is an entirely different topic from what I'm writing about. And they go on to "help" you by linking a bunch of guides on how to write, when those guides aren't even relevant to what you're doing.
Exactly. It's not your fault as the writer if people aren't paying attention to the subtext or don't want to wait for the conclusion. High school English classes have seriously ruined everyone's critical thinking skills 😑
Hi, college art student here. I feel like I've gone through enough critique sessions to know what constitutes as respectful and disrespectful, and this--"fixing" work--is just ridiculous. Yes, art is something meant to be critiqued when put on display, that's going to happen especially on the Internet. But imagine someone visiting the MoMA and looking at an abstract painting and going "Hm, yeah, this is great but-" and he takes a small bit of yellow paint and smears it across the canvas, "Okay, now it's fixed." If this actually happened, the man would be ridiculed and likely thrown out immediately.
None of my professors have ever tried to do modify my work themselves after it's completion. That's because they leave the job up to me as the artist and creator of the work. They understand that this piece may be something I poured hours and hours into, and out of respect for my vision, they don't touch it. They might have something to say about the flaws they see, but they don't touch it. There's a weird sense of entitlement when it comes to art Twitter and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Personally, I prefer the look of the so called "fix", BUT no one has the right to take another person's art without their permission and change it, nor say that a way someone chooses to draw things are wrong or that their special artstyle is wrong and in need of "fixing"! This piece was supposed to be that way, let's leave it like that.
I agree with both of you and Sam, it's honestly annoying and irritating, They try to "fix" somebody else's art without that artists consent while they edit the painting/drawing on what is more appealing to them. Which is wrong in so many ways possible.
"It's a natural reaction that comes with publicizing things whether you ask for it or not"
Then they should probably accept my fist landing square in their jaw as a natural reaction to their natural reaction.
lmaoooo
Damn, so you have thin skin and can’t take general criticism. Well, if it isn’t justified if you doing this, I’ll do what you’ll do, but worse
My criticism is that your an asshole. What are you gonna do about it?
Yikes, anger issues
Sam was right for calling the guy out, to be honest they should just do their own art and leave other artists artwork alone critique should only be given when it's requested.
1:24 it does look more realistic the way the person did it, but sam's style is sam's style and you cant go around messing with other people's art and calling it "fixed"
Btw if you're thinking "wait a minute.. sam does that exact thing!" you're wrong, because the people send him photos for him to edit and re-design to look more realistic
Criticisms comes with posting work in public, that’s normal. But editing someone’s art and calling it better by titling it as fixed is just bad taste
"Fixing" art is like Twitter changing its font and removing features:
Jarring and Un-fucking-necessary
LMAO
These "art fixers" basically change what they find visually pleasing and according to their agenda. We can assume they don't care what 'SUBJECTIVE' is if they like to claim something is "better". Especially when it's already a professional fine art piece.
> no one has the right to download the image and use it as a form of criticism
... Yes they do? If it's for the purpose of critique and review or discussion, that's actually an extremely important right that has been protected in the past before. Even copywrited works are able to be used in this way.
Personally the "fixed" version looked more aesthetically pleasing IMO but calling it a "fix" when it's clearly an artistic choice is stupid and you shouldn't "fix" these kinds of things.
it's weird how people don't realise that artists don't need to "improve" all the damn time. art isn't always about realism or accuracy. art is just a way of expressing yourself in a fun way, so there's no wrong or right way to do it. why is there this mindset that you must improve?? some artists are happy with their skills and styles and that's perfectly fine.
The "fixing art" thing reminds of a professor I had for life drawing. When he'd critique during class, he would come over like "let me show you" and proceed to draw over your drawing. We HATED this!
Let’s take a moment to appreciate how he doesn’t care if he gets criticized on his opinion while others do ^^
🙏🏾
_taking the moment_
if i'm being brutally honest I kinda like the changed version, nonetheless it was a very rude, obnoxious, and self righteous thing to do, most people do this just to leech clout from more famous artists and I guess its kinda working for them
the fact that there's people who thinks that taking someone's art, changing it and immediately shove them to their faces and say "i fix it for you, you're welcome 😊" is criticism, like holy shit.
Well said! When I see something that bothers me, I just edit my own art and not "fix" others because like you said it's unoriginal and lame. It also feels weird for me to "correct" other people's works because it's like I'm messing up their masterpiece
Great video!! I just had to say that I really appreciate that you put text in the video, it truly helps when I'm not a native English speaker
Unrelated, but the Streets of Rage tracks in the background are total FIAH 🔥
Man of culture bruh
ayeeee!!!!!!!!
" i fixed your drawing, i guess-"
"sophia, this was a circle, now, thanks to you is a oval"
Holds up one hand: "Defacing art & throwing it back at the artist is rude & you can get sued for doing it."
Holds up other hand: "I unfortunately preferred the fixed art in this case."
I remember the time in my high school whenever I draw female anatomy some of my classmates ALWAYS kept adding inappropriate parts of my sketches.
And I it always frustrated me
NOT SAM 😭
Like, I understand that you don’t like how they made the art, BUT
THAT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO “FiX tHe ArT” even if it’s a slight bit.
Like, tracing art and “constructive” criticism are already frowned upon enough.
BUT FIXING ART?! No 😭
nah some people just take it too far tbh
@@MohammedAgbadi ikr!
The only time I ever “fixed” art was removing some nudity in an otherwise cute drawing I wanted to save for viewing personally and NOT POSTING!!
Art “fixing” makes me infuriated otherwise, that shit is cringe
Unfortunately this is one of the negatives of social media. Once something is posted it's free game. There are way too many entitled and frustrated wanna be artists that know better than the actual artist. This is the world social media has created. The virtue signaling then continues when they are called out on their disrespect, because we allow it in this modern society. Disrespect is okay as long they feel justified for being disrespectful.
Do you know how much we love you and support you???? You're so genuine and amazing!
There really isn't much to add to this topic anymore. Editing someone's art without permission is so incredibly rude... There might be some exceptions where it's acceptable, but not if you claim to "fix" it. There's only one thing in this video that I don't think is entirely true. I don't think most of them believe they're doing the artist a favor, they think they have some sort of (often moral) highground that allows them to "right" the "wrongs" of the world. Which I think is even worse.. Because they don't just criticize singled out, technical "errors", they basically claim the artists original ideas are harmful or wrong. There's little that could be more offensive towards an artist than basically telling them they shouldn't express themselves freely and let someone else decide what is "right" or "wrong".
Imagine fixing Van Gogh's works 🤦🏻♂️ or maybe fixing Mona Lisa because you want her to cheer up a bit
Just because it's a 'natural reaction' doesn't make it okay. If someone tells you that they'd rather you -not- edit or comment on their work, you should respect that. It's basic human decency. And you're well within your right to call the person out for not respecting their wishes.
Bro it literally takes more effort to go out of your way to critique them anyways instead of just minding your business.
What these people are showing isn't even criticism, it's plagerism-- which is way worse than just telling someone how they can make their work stronger. Except the issue really seems to come down to saying what the artist doesn't want to hear at that point. They'll welcome all the comments in the world that are blindly praising them, but if a comment with constructive criticism (emphasis on constructive) comes along, I don't think it should be taboo or off limits. Art is all about exploring different possibilities in your work, and even top artists can change their style up over the years. I just feel that if you post your work online, you shouldn't be trying to control what people say about it, whether it's good or bad. That's just my personal opinion though.
Some artists get annoyed just giving polite constructive criticism, I've learned long ago to ask if they want some before offering it freely. Some beg for it, please please I love to get some feedback and others I wrote "I can't see the black character as it was drawn behind a black background, try a contrasting BG" and he banned me. Keep it respectful and always ask.
Moral of the story: Don’t fix my art, or else your face will get fixed🥊🥊🥊
this topic tired me honestly, even worst when I realize I live in a country where many people normalize stealing/reposting art and we, the artist, should be thankful for that lol
Yes, anyone is allowed to have an opinion on art posted publicly, and professional creators should be able to take criticism, whether it was asked for or not (though I don't think it's very courteous to give unprompted criticism, it isn't a crime). HOWEVER, posting your work publicly does not give anyone the right to DOWNLOAD it, EDIT It, and REPOST it!!! That is not cool no matter what, and it is not unprofessional to take issue with it.
A long time ago, I had one teacher pick up a pen and scratch a drawing I had really put work into just because my interpretation of the assignment was different than what she wanted. She blatantly destroyed my work and I had to throw it away. I decided there and then that no one would ever do that again. It's not about unwanted criticism (which I can just ignore if I don't agree) but about crossing boundaries. My current drawing teacher at college is a master and, even so, he asks permission to every student if he wants to draw over something we've done to show how we can improve. This is what being professional and courteous looks like.
If someone was to “fix” my art, I would probably be heart broken... all that time and effort just to be “fixed” by a Twitter art person. 😕
Pay internet dumbasses no mind. They’re everywhere and not worth your time.
@@mayonnaise2396 yeah
That's why I'm glad i'm a traditional artist. Less likely to be "fixed".
@@embryjirak3426 yeah
Their fixed version looks like the people from dr seuss Horton hears a who. I also think they’re basing their side profile silhouette style from anime.
not just anime, i'm guessing comic style too probably
I'm late to this video, but I agree with Mohammed. As someone who draws and posts online I get apprehensive about posting because of this "trend" of "fixing art." I don’t post for a critique or to have my art changed, I just want to share. The idea that someone might look at art I made of my oc or a friend's oc and think it's wrong then decide to change it is really upsetting. Especially since I'm not all that confident with my art in the first place.
the sad thing is, while most of these are just blatantly painting over or recoloring someone else's image, a few of these "art fixers" are actually doing a great job re-interpreting images from stuff like anime into their own art style.. the problem is they should just call it a redraw, not "fixing" art -_- redrawing an art piece in your own style is an awesome way to practice and grow as an artist, and it's totally fine to make changes to the characters with your own headcanons and all that- it's just fanart! But when you label it as "fixing" the rather than just re-interpreting it, now you're automatically implying that your art is better than the original.. and that's just super not cool!! and not a good way to grow as an artist
I can see where the “fixer” was coming from as - while Sam’s work was gorgeous - I find the version with the more prominent upper lip to be better looking, myself. But that doesn’t mean Sam was asking for a critique or a fix.
I have a friend who does art, and we’ll often show each other our drawings and ask if it looks “okay” to them- usually we’re not sure if the piece is as good as it could be, so we’re running it by the other to get a different perspective. I think this person was in that headspace, but forgot that Sam wasn’t asking them if there was anything that needed “fixing.”
One of the only form of "fixing art" that I don't mind is if someone is fixing their own art! Another would be is if it's to fix something that isn't legal or is disgusting in general. Like, maybe fixing innapriopiate art of a minor. That I would be thankful for.
I like constructive criticism. Its pretty easy!
1. Be polite! And be sure that artist doesn't mind your critique.
2. Compliment parts what you like about the artwork
3. Ask questions if you got any. Artists usually do put a lot of thought into their creation. Its pretty interesting to listen why they decided to draw it like that and why this like that.
4. Let artist talk - they arent wrong
5. Get into mindset and hope that your critique may help that artist on their next drawing.
6. Dont be mad if artist didnt listen to your critique. They probably did, but it will take some time for them
People like this also tend to be REAL offended when you totally reject their critique, or simply block them
Sam: Hey guys! Please don't download and change my art. Its upsetting to me.
Twitter: OH MY GOD HE THINKS HE'S ABOVE CRITICISM SO UNPROFESSIONAL
You say at 1:55 that no one has the right to download and edit it as a form of criticism.
But this is actually wrong. The person does have the right to do that, as it would be considered "fair use"(as it is used for criticism of a piece of art)
The thing is that you also have the right to respond to that saying they're a moron for doing it
I love this channel for the community discussions. You're doing gods work man
Haha I came* across this, because I received a dm from someone who fixed my art since "I shouldn't make anime so realistic like that" and it kind of made me insecure, but this helped a lot, Good video, thankyou 🙌🌷