I 2nd that. The double headlights hold a soft spot for me. I like the looks. Plus, I'm street focused and fun focused. I also vote for Yami to buy one when available.
As someone who is about to get a CFMoto 450SS soon as my first ever motorcycle and entry to the world of Motorcycles, I genuinely can't wait to get it because when I sat on it, compared to some other bikes I tried it was the most comfortable to me personally and for the price point in comparison to other bikes I was looking at it's just soooo good... Can't wait to get it and setup a helmet and maybe get into the world of Motovlogging for fun in my spare time, I've been enjoying these vids cause you and a few others have been quite informative and made my decision to get the 450ss even stronger.
@@MotoGosu Do you think it's a good beginner bike? I mean I've already made the decision that's what I'm going for, but I've never ridden (except when I was little) and don't really have the experience but I've already got the basics in my head from watching videos and I'm about to conctact my uncle cause he owns one that I may be able to practice with (I think he has a Triumph), I just bought my Helmet, Gloves, and Shoes today from RevZilla so hopefully they arrive next week.
@@VegaVermilionVODS I think it’s a great beginner bike fren. It’s confidence inspiring and very forgiving. The price is very hard to beat for all the features you get.
@@VegaVermilionVODS Just respect the wrist...I taught my brother to ride on a RC51 RVT 1000R...just respect it's capabilites and you 'll enjoy the ride always.
The 450ss runs rides and feels and looks much better then the ninja400. Plus it's cheaper. 1 year later and we are glad we bought it over thr kawasaki its been an awesome bike and my son rides it daily
@lifted_above the ninja 500 is a joke. It's heavy and slow. I'd run the 450ss against it anytime on a track. The new 500 from cfmoto is gonna change everything from the Japanese manufacturers.
@@mattsloop2736 I don't know where you get your information but it's not a joke. It's leading the 450 class currently. It's only 5 lb heavier than the CF 450SS. Tuners have already developed stuff for the Ninja, the best I've seen on dyno so far is 55 hp and 33 ft-lb at the wheel, and given the exhaust system weight loss, factor about another 6 pounds off, around 370 lb wet. Best I've found on video with the CF 450 is about 51 hp and 28 ft-lb torque.
I adore triples as well. The MV Agusta 800cc triple is perfection for me. The triumph 1050 is probably amazing but from a high revving, FAST REVVING, sporty perspective the MV is flawless. I’d absolutely consider a CFmoto ~800cc triple if it was made with quality components and free revving…not so much if it’s more of a bargain basement heavier/cheaper internals situation because triples live and die by that character and sound, induction exhaust etc. and if the rotating mass is such that it’s a bit slugging and has rev hang etc I’d just rather a inline 4 at that point because manufacturers seem to have an easier time with them
Parallel twins are good until you get north of 120mph. They get shaky and the two pistons are trying to rip each other apart. You can get a little more revs out of a three. But an inline four is the way to go for power and sound. V4s and some 6's are out there but they're rare. Inline four is bulletproof
I started out on a 550cc inline-4... but it was a 1982 KZ550, so while it made fun 4-cylinder sounds (to an extent), it did not rev to the moon, nor was it fast lol
Bet they called it voom cause when a cycle flys by and you a pedestrian standing there all you hear is vvvvvvvooooooommmmmm😂the further it gets away. I LOVE THE NAME
I have a 1989 Honda CB1 and absolutely love the thing. It was so far ahead of it's time, and I bet it will fit right in with this and the Ninja both power, handling, and looks.
@@maxfosnaught555 throw some Hawk GT NT650 high rise clip-ons on and an extra tooth on the front sprocket and it's a phenomenal bike. Anyone from 120-200lbs and 5'4-6'0 can cruise highway speeds for 2 hours or blast back roads and shift at 14k rpm without fear of getting killed or a reckless driving ticket.
I had (well actually still have the remains) of a 1988 NT650/Hawk GT. Loved that bike out on Volente/Lime Creek back in the 90's. There was a guy nicknamed the "Lime Creek Looney" that rode a CB1 and I only saw one other rider that could keep up with him.
I think CFmoto will sell quite well, I see a lot of NK800 on the street and it's hard to get a better deal. It's about 8K in my country and it has android auto/apple car play, upside down forks, traction control, ride mods and so on...
don't car about specs so much, obviously i want a sport bike to perform but i got the zx4rr for the sound and feel of the inline 4. With the smaller 400cc i can actually wind it out and hear it with out going to jail. i love it.
Don't forget that in much of the world, the CB/CBR 650R is derestricted as a starter bike as well. Plenty of punch and then ability to derestrict it which pretty much doubles the power. Great for a long-term bike starting as a beginner.
i will going to buy one for sure..................that will be my fun bike for the weekends, I like the design and is fast enough, not like my Ducati but it is fast to have fun.
Yesterday I was at the Malaysian Auto Show held at MAEPS, there was a whole exhibition hall dedicated to Chinese manufacturers I saw at least four 500 to 800 cc four cylinder sports bikes there, unfortunately CFMOTO did not have the Boom, there were several big bore cruisers, one sporting an 1100 V four. Some of the bikes were lower spec obviously for the Asian commuter market, however there were a hell of a lot of very high spec, Sports, Adventure and cruiser on show, not sure how much of this stuff will make it to the west but it will be interesting to see what happens!
I must admit ive been looking around for the second bike "the next stepping stone" and the amount of middle weight bikes is sooo good. But its also added some time as far as narrowing down exactly what i want.
While I am very bored with parallel twins, inline fours don't usually have a good enough power to weight ratio on smaller displacement bikes. The only spec I can find so far is a top speed of around 140mph, which isn't very good considering my RS 660 gets up to 150 with a parallel twin and weighs under 400lbs.
these 4 cylinder bikes targets another public(There is another one from QJ Motors that realeased this year too), it's potential clients are from less developed countries, where a 600 super sport cost the same as a house, having the option of a smaller inline four is a dream that can get true for these bikers now. Most riders dreams with the beauty of a inline four, but that's pretty common in rich countries, you would not understand.
@@occasionalshredder How do you know its torquey? They haven't released any figures. And calling a 500 an entry level bike is debatable. Perhaps the ZX-4RR is a more fair comparison, which weighs about 415lbs and only makes 55hp. Still not worth the cost, weight, or performance despite being a cool bike.
@@Isle_of_man67 My point is that inline fours don't make sense on smaller bikes regardless of price and market, compared to parallel twins. As much as I am loathe to admit it. It may be a dream bike for some, but that doesn't make it any more practical at this displacement.
@@Cthooligan I will repeat it for you, YOU, ARE, NOT, THE, TARGET. It doesn't makes sense for rich countries, but it does for the 3rd world, and guess what, there is a lot of clients there, we may be poor, but we still can manage to buy pretty stuff.
I'm waiting on the 675sr. If they can get it to the 110hp range, sub-440lbs, and keep the price around 11k, I'm getting one. I have a feeling Yamaha and KTM are going to do the same thing Triumph did with the Daytona 765 and price the R9 and 900 RCR out of range. I'd like to see the XSR900 gp here in the states.
I love my 2022 650 Adventura! I wanna see you on one someday, yam. I love the styling of it. It looks like an insectoid cyborg cyclops from the future.
It s like the Moto Morini corsarso sport 750, they identify what the competitor doesn t have(an interesting engine) and created a super sporty 750 V2 90degree engine
I've been following 500SR news closely since you first spoke about it on Yamcast back in October, so since CFmoto dropped their video on the "Voom", i've been eagerly awaiting this video from you haha. Sad to see atleast this version will be for domestic market only, however i suspect/hope that this will be exclusive to the "Voom" and that other markets will get to see the standard sport faired 500SR come to their markets. I think a lot of people love the whole idea of the ZX-4RR, middle weight inline 4 screamer with fully useable power, however i imagine the price tag really does hurt it's sales and i think this is where the 500SR will shine. Time will tell if we'll even be able to buy one, and long term reliability is certainly a big question, but the more inline 4 noises on the road the better in my opinion. Very interested to see how this develops.
I had the 450 as my first bike and it is so fun. That being said, even if this is released in the US, I don't really have any desire to pick one up, as I personally really, really hate the retro look, which is one of the many reasons why when I eventually upgrade it's gonna be to an R7
I really hope that we can get an impression vid about the CFM 500SR from you someday in the near future. It really is a cool looking and in the current days kinda uniquely motorized machine! I mean, at least for me, the only other inline-4 in this cc class(-ish) I can think of is Honda's 650 lineup...
Personally, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Fun 4 cylinder engine at low CC's which you can enjoy without getting into trouble is the way to go. Also insurance is way cheaper as well.
That CSMoto 500SR looks great. I spent hours last night deciding between YZF-R3, MT-03, and Ninja 500. I decided the sound of the YZF-R3 outweighed the look of the MT-03 and even the status symbol and lifelong dream of the NInja 500. Seriously the 2024 R3 stock sound *terrified* me I had to go for it. But if the 500SR was available for $4-4.4K it would have been a consideration just on the looks.
Yammie, I would love to see you react to the actual teaching that the MSF online course presents to the brand-new riders in this community. Thought this would be a fun way to interact with your fresh new squidlets. I am currently going through this course and I would love to see what you have to to add to these teachings!
I love the look of 80's and 90's sport bikes and the papio but I wouldn't drop that kind of money on a little bike when I can spend the same on a bigger, used bike. A 500 is interesting, though! I hope it helps the trend of bringing that 80's/90's aesthetic back to modern bikes, like the yamaha xsr900gp ❤
The coolest thing they could do with that exhaust if it's a flat-plane 4-cylinder is make it true divorced duals. Run the left half of the engine through the left pipe, and the right half through the right pipe. I've heard a GSXR 750 in a drift buggy/kart with this setup and it sounded ALMOST like a cross-plane. Gotta rev it out to the full 13k+ though for it to work, low RPM ain't it with such a setup as it'll just sound like two 180-deg parallel twins below 11k.
Maybe they said ‘domestic market only’ to see how the response would be… if people would be outraged and/or sad, they can come out and say “fine you’ll get it too” and everyone will be happy. But if the response is like “meh no one cares”, they can probably save themselves a lot of costs by not having to export it all over the world…. ? Just a wild thought though…. 😅
@@jarrolightfeather4703A2 is 35kW (47.5hp) restricted, plus, ZX4RR in Europe is ~80hp, not 50ish like in America, and it can’t be restricted to meet the A2 compliance
it's here in the PH boys! For Only 6,700 usd! Ridden it myself and personally think it is quicker than the zx4rr, saw on papers its got 81bhp, build quality and after sales parts of cfmoto has been awesome as well couldn't ask for more
Lots of people in N.American market don't understand the rest of the world. In many countries they have a tiered drivers license system and as a young new rider there are restrictions on motor size limitations. They don't give 500 or 1000cc bikes to 16,18 year old riders, emissions and other standards keep lots of these motorcycles out of the market. CF Moto just finished a huge facility in Monterrey Mexico, Nuevo Leon, all the bikes 800, 450 have big pre orders. CF is in large dealer in S. California, so the bikes are on the floor in 15 places, CF Moto is doing some things a little different than other Chinese, they are getting permission from KTM to use designs and the parts are interchangeable. and the obvious flaws w the direct to consumer, like buying a motorcycle from Amazon or other Internet site is fixed by having dealership support before bike is popular not afterwards
They look nice on paper and in pictures, but personally I don't think they're priced low enough. For just a tiny bit more you could get the same bike but not Chinese.
China with some 1.5 billion people is a very large market to start with/ and starting "domestic only" doesn't always mean domestic only forever, and if they do have a small glitch or two to iron out, better to keep it a secret among their 1.5 million people than to lose face over it world wide with over 7 billion people. Good basic business strategy. Then again, with developing a new power plant, I would expect to see them bring something to Western markets at some point 2 to 5 years in the future. *I'm on my third motorcycle, and it's a Versys x300 (which is at least "larger" than my prior moto's) Keep it right side up/ and have fun riding, love seeing those Austin area country roads, we visit Austin at times to see the grandkids.
This is a really cool i-4, although I think they're missing the mark on power. Going for full A2 limit power would've totally broken the 80-95 hp "middleweight sport bike" market. Who wouldn't have looked at the R7, GSX-8R, Daytona 660, ZX-4R, RS660, etc. Then looked at a budget friendly CFMoto i-4 with those sick retro looks, screaming inline-4 sound, making 94 HP, and chosen that over the underwhelming ZX-4R, (especially in the US) or poor comparison twins? What I'd really love to see is someone like Yamaha or Triumph, with their extensive experience extracting street friendly power out of triples, build a road & track capable 499cc triple, pushing 90-95 hp, revving to 14-15,000 RPM. The power density would be easily in line with the 675's, 765's, 800's, from Triumph and MV Agusta Daytonas and F3s. The added displacement and larger bore, smaller cylinder count triple would give much better mid-range torque characteristics for street use, without the peaky top end. Lopping off a cylinder would even aid in keeping weight down below 190 kgs
I'd buy one if they made an NK. The only thing that's stopped me buying a ZX4R is the fact that I want a Z900RS/Z650RS neo retro with an interesting engine that won't get me arrested in 2nd gear
I started on a buell xb9r, nearly 100 hp and 97 nm torque as a completely irresponsible 20 year old😂🤌🏻 now I’m 22 with a z800 as my second bike, take it from me you can start on any bike it just won’t be as easy to learn the basics
Another reason why it might be hard to bring the voom to North America and Europe is emissions laws. 4 cylinders do produce more hydrocarbons compared to 2 cylinders of the same displacement. And there are less stringent emissions laws in China.
I think as a middle weight this is going to be a cool screamer, and if they can get it light enough, I bet it’ll be a cool canyon carver. It is just a shame all the roads by me are straight.
CFMoto 500SR definitely more appealing than any of these twins like the Ninja 500, R7, or GSX-8R as for how it will stack against the ZX-4RR and CBR650R idk? I'm sure it will be fine, and probably be much more modernized going by CFMotos other bikes
In simulation on Ride 5, a 1998 R1 set up identical to my 2001 can run a 1:59.1. A stock 2020 BMW M1000RR on the same tires did no better than a 1:58.3. Mine was $40k cheaper, so I consider it a far better bike for the money. RUclips has changed the way people buy motorcycles. The amount of information available to the new or lesser experienced rider is instrumental in changing the motorcycles manufacturers produce.
China has a well earned reputation for building crappy, throw-away motorcycles, amongst other things. It has nothing to do with prejudice. Early CF bikes are still turds. Fun while they work and yes cheap, but they are crap. They are slowly making them better, but they still don't have the performance and longevity of their Japanese counterparts. I have no doubt, when they finally do catch up, if they do, the cost will also go up.
That’s gonna be sick. I was looking at getting a ZX4RR but this might definitely convince to get this CFMoto. The simplicity is perfect and the price point is probably going to convince me that I can wad it up or lay it down and not be upset.
i love it, just wish it wasn’t a cf moto. I think we need more lower power 600cc bikes. the Honda CBR650r is a good example For those of us who don’t want a super aggressive riding position and to be going 100 in 1st, but still want good power to play with and a 4 cylinder
To be honest, I like the parallel twins far better than the high revving no mid-torque bikes…torque where I want it is king. Horsepower is for bragging rights. You said it yourself Yam, KTMRC8C was the fastest track bike you had the chance to ride…889 cc, parallel twin cylinder,285°, DOHC, 4 valves per cylinder…. I get why the RPMs sell and why squids love em. Different strokes for different folks. 🤙
Looks, power, feature, sound, price. Cfmoto wins and i did buy the bike. Confident in reliability, aftermarket support, comfortability, resale value. Kawasaki wins.
Yamaha used to have like 12 bikes that used some version of the R6 motor. They could’ve at least given us a single bike with an inline 4 that wasn’t 1000cc+
@@brandonthomas4527ZX-25RR is available only in some specific market like India, Philippines, China, Japan, etc mostly southeast Asia/Asian country. The zx-25rr is much faster than the ninja 400/500 though it will never come to the North America market due there is already n 400/500cc and zx-25rr is much better in Asian country as it's always traffic and you can rarely only go 100kmph in Asia due traffics
Another thing, if you want a linear progression of displacement (and therefore torque) as a factor of rider skill/readiness and bike size, then you could go 250, 400, 635, 1000, 1600. *250* would pretty much be only a single for the American market. MAYBE a twin if we did some A2 style bullshit and needed the RPM to make it highway capable. Or a triple or 4-banger if we wanna bring back the 90s 250 era, but cost would probably make that dead in the water, TBH. *400* could be a single for Dual Sport/SM, a twin for sport naked, and maybe a triple for a beginner supersport. I really don't see the point or need for a 4-cyl here... Maybe bring back the NC30/NC35? But the triple would be cooler and cheaper(which is probably the reason it'd be limited to a twin, anyway), so. Maybe do the V4 here and a triple for the above with the idea that each category's 3+ cylinder has the same HP rating (achieved through lower torque but more RPM) as the next category's 2-cyl can achieve. *635* 4-cyl mids are dead, so a Single for the big dual sport/dirt bike and light ADV, and probably a twin as the "advanced starter bike" which is basically what we already have with the MT07 and RS660. Weight is key here, the lighter the bike, the less "beginner" this is. If it's a crossplane twin it could also go in a beginner sport-cruiser. Triple here only if the market genuinely wants a revvy supersport, which it doesn't so like... IDK. Especially with the upper middleweight category being full of 750-900cc stuff (and now, stupidly, 950 or w/e with the Duke "990") *1000* Basically keep the supersport category as it is, but add variety with some cross-plane twins (V or Inline, and pref 285-deg) and triples. And for the love of god, please actually TUNE the goddamn liter twins so they rev enough and have enough torque to bust the 120hp mark. Tired of underpowered twins. I want a reliable 135-150hp liter twin FFS. *1600* Pretty much only a cruiser or touring displacement category. Twin for the would-be Harley rider (with a 305-deg crank for a better/more applicable sound), and triple for those wanting smoothness. For super-cruisers/muscle bikes you could probably justify a V4 or a 6-cylinder of some type, but eh... Not really necessary. *Full disclosure, I don't think any combination of engine displacement or cylinder count in any category, nor any consolidation of it will by any means "revolutionize" the market.* That's just not the way motorcycling is going. It's stagnant, unchanging, and rooted in the unfortunate obstinance of "tradition." What I think COULD genuinely change it are some novel suspension and overall bike layout changes. Stuff like Dan Gurney's AAR Alligator, who's ultra low CG brought from the 18" seat height made the handling "near telepathic" according to several reviewers. Not to mention vastly increase the braking and acceleration effectiveness due to the drastically reduced (eliminated in the case of the Gator) tendency to wheelie and stoppie. And that's to say nothing of the fact that the telescopic fork is just about the shittest suspension design imaginable. Wanna know what's significantly better even despite being in it's infancy and only being explored by ONE man? Robert Horn's "virtual hub center" steering double A-arm design. What it really is is just a double ball joint/4-bar suspension for a car-oriented longitudinally for use with a bike wheel. It's fuckin GENIUS, light weight, responsive, it decouples steering from suspension, and since it has 4 inches of geometric trail, it has just as much (if not more) proper feedback as the forks we're unfortunately used to at this point. THOSE two things would revolutionize the market. Not changing what size and cylinder count engines go into whichever abstract "category" of bike people claim to want to buy.
500SR is not exclusive to the Chinese market, they will definitely sell 500SR to the world. The 500SR has a retro appearance to avoid homogeneous competition with the racing exterior designs of the 450SR/675SR. The 500SR/675SR will be unveiled and sold in China in July.
Almost bought one but couldn't find any long term high mileage reviews on CF Moto, and the very few real owners reviews I did find weren't very great, think I'll stick with my Japanese bikes
Their quads are great. My dad has had one for a couple years now and it still takes the trails and mud pits like they're nothing. I wouldn't think their bikes are any less quality.
Mine is already 20k millage, u cannot find high mileage of Cfmoto because Cfmoto is still new in road street vehicle mostly they made ATV and Snowmobile
@@takumisato7126 Hell yeah, bought a 2nd hand z650 14k mileage. Changed all the oils, coolant, brake pads, sprocket & chain. It feels like a brand new bike.
0:34 I think what you meant to say is: they identify a market in which they can undercut foreign manufacturers with their dirt cheap production costs and questionable quality. Driving competitors out of the market... Think what you will about me, but I can't see myself ever buying a Chinese bike. I don't judge anyone who does, but I just can't do it. (Im 35, dont know if thats what you meant by older folks or not)
The problem is in countrys with learner systems that the power output is too low, so bike like this and the zx4r would have to be restricted to be available for people trying to come into motorcycling. Raise the power limit on learners license so we can buy these small 70hp bikes
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Does it wheelie?
clearly the next step for cfmoto is to release the 4 cylinder, 1300cc 200hp stock motorcycle as begginers need it
Real men start with the Ducati v4r.
800cc
@@HW.0029 Nice Vespa dude, powercurve so smooth a little girl could ride it. Turbobusa is the only real beginner bike for men.
I don’t see why not
And it’ll be cheaper than the big four
Maybe you should start a petition to have CF Moto bring their 500 SR to the United States market, I'm 60 years old, and I'd buy one.
I 2nd that. The double headlights hold a soft spot for me. I like the looks. Plus, I'm street focused and fun focused.
I also vote for Yami to buy one when available.
Agreed! Absolutely makes no sense for them not to bring it to the states.
As someone who is about to get a CFMoto 450SS soon as my first ever motorcycle and entry to the world of Motorcycles, I genuinely can't wait to get it because when I sat on it, compared to some other bikes I tried it was the most comfortable to me personally and for the price point in comparison to other bikes I was looking at it's just soooo good...
Can't wait to get it and setup a helmet and maybe get into the world of Motovlogging for fun in my spare time, I've been enjoying these vids cause you and a few others have been quite informative and made my decision to get the 450ss even stronger.
I have a 24' and its the best man! You're gonna have so much fun on the 450SS.
@@MotoGosu Do you think it's a good beginner bike? I mean I've already made the decision that's what I'm going for, but I've never ridden (except when I was little) and don't really have the experience but I've already got the basics in my head from watching videos and I'm about to conctact my uncle cause he owns one that I may be able to practice with (I think he has a Triumph), I just bought my Helmet, Gloves, and Shoes today from RevZilla so hopefully they arrive next week.
@@VegaVermilionVODS I think it’s a great beginner bike fren. It’s confidence inspiring and very forgiving. The price is very hard to beat for all the features you get.
@@VegaVermilionVODS Just respect the wrist...I taught my brother to ride on a RC51 RVT 1000R...just respect it's capabilites and you 'll enjoy the ride always.
I bought the 450 NK back in March this year. My first bike in just over 40 years..... and I love it.
The 450ss runs rides and feels and looks much better then the ninja400. Plus it's cheaper. 1 year later and we are glad we bought it over thr kawasaki its been an awesome bike and my son rides it daily
Which is why Ninja 500 is already a thing.
@lifted_above the ninja 500 is a joke. It's heavy and slow. I'd run the 450ss against it anytime on a track. The new 500 from cfmoto is gonna change everything from the Japanese manufacturers.
@@mattsloop2736 I don't know where you get your information but it's not a joke. It's leading the 450 class currently.
It's only 5 lb heavier than the CF 450SS.
Tuners have already developed stuff for the Ninja, the best I've seen on dyno so far is 55 hp and 33 ft-lb at the wheel, and given the exhaust system weight loss, factor about another 6 pounds off, around 370 lb wet.
Best I've found on video with the CF 450 is about 51 hp and 28 ft-lb torque.
@@mattsloop2736 You're just talking to talk. Stop kid. Just say you like your bike and move on, no need to talk out your ass.
And most importantly, it’s sounds better!
I love it. Now please make a 450, 650, 800cc and a 850 triple please and I’ll even wear CF leathers
A 675 triple is coming probably in June though.
Checkout the 675sr. And don't forget that leathers
@@Ayap_SOG WHAAAAT?!? That’s insane. It’s a bit late for 675 triples imo…the trident is way too tame. 750-800 is perfection
I'd be happy with some fire breathing 90° Vtwins of smaller displacement. Can you imagine a 500 or 550cc 90° Vtwin that revs to 13,000 rpm?
Daytona 675 had me fall in love with 3 cylinders. 4 is alright for big displacements but mid weight 3 cylinders has the best average all around specs.
Inclined to agree. If sporty riding but usability is the goal, the inline 3 is peak
I adore triples as well. The MV Agusta 800cc triple is perfection for me. The triumph 1050 is probably amazing but from a high revving, FAST REVVING, sporty perspective the MV is flawless. I’d absolutely consider a CFmoto ~800cc triple if it was made with quality components and free revving…not so much if it’s more of a bargain basement heavier/cheaper internals situation because triples live and die by that character and sound, induction exhaust etc. and if the rotating mass is such that it’s a bit slugging and has rev hang etc I’d just rather a inline 4 at that point because manufacturers seem to have an easier time with them
“The best average all around specs” ☝️🤓
3 makes the best noise for me. Perfect mix of low and high
@@jacobforshee6032 but did you die?
Parallel twins are good until you get north of 120mph. They get shaky and the two pistons are trying to rip each other apart. You can get a little more revs out of a three. But an inline four is the way to go for power and sound. V4s and some 6's are out there but they're rare. Inline four is bulletproof
Can you mount another farkle on those bars or will it explode like Castanza's wallet?
😆
Farkle = useless. All ugly functional stuff here baby
@@yammienoob I say similar things every morning when I look into a mirror.
@@yammienoobbut you say “farkle” fairly often in regards to “mods, features and upgrades” so it’s kinda your fault no?
The twin headlights are on point
My guy referred to a honda s2k as "cheap"
What’s a Honda s2k?
@@jockwithajoystickHonda S2000. A classic japanese car that was seen a lot around the tuning scene
I think he's referring to miata as a cheap, easy and available to s2k more high revving, crazy and expensive
I started out on a 550cc inline-4... but it was a 1982 KZ550, so while it made fun 4-cylinder sounds (to an extent), it did not rev to the moon, nor was it fast lol
Bet they called it voom cause when a cycle flys by and you a pedestrian standing there all you hear is vvvvvvvooooooommmmmm😂the further it gets away. I LOVE THE NAME
I have a 1989 Honda CB1 and absolutely love the thing. It was so far ahead of it's time, and I bet it will fit right in with this and the Ninja both power, handling, and looks.
What is your opinion on the comfort of your cb1?
@@maxfosnaught555 throw some Hawk GT NT650 high rise clip-ons on and an extra tooth on the front sprocket and it's a phenomenal bike. Anyone from 120-200lbs and 5'4-6'0 can cruise highway speeds for 2 hours or blast back roads and shift at 14k rpm without fear of getting killed or a reckless driving ticket.
I had one back in the early 90s and loved it. I have an old 400 Bandit in my shed as one of my many projects.
I had (well actually still have the remains) of a 1988 NT650/Hawk GT. Loved that bike out on Volente/Lime Creek back in the 90's. There was a guy nicknamed the "Lime Creek Looney" that rode a CB1 and I only saw one other rider that could keep up with him.
I think CFmoto will sell quite well, I see a lot of NK800 on the street and it's hard to get a better deal. It's about 8K in my country and it has android auto/apple car play, upside down forks, traction control, ride mods and so on...
It's one of the few no-pointy designs out there. I like it.
don't car about specs so much, obviously i want a sport bike to perform but i got the zx4rr for the sound and feel of the inline 4. With the smaller 400cc i can actually wind it out and hear it with out going to jail. i love it.
Like partying with your clothes off but without the fear of being on a list lol
The pricing on the 600 and 400 supersports is the bad part these days.
CF Moto confirmed is coming to Mexico ❤
I think they been in Mexico for a while now in Monterey and Laredo Mx
Don't forget that in much of the world, the CB/CBR 650R is derestricted as a starter bike as well. Plenty of punch and then ability to derestrict it which pretty much doubles the power. Great for a long-term bike starting as a beginner.
I've got the 300nk and buddy just got the 450ss, can't wait to see what they do next!
400 ~600cc is popular in asia...i have the cfmoto 700sport...in asia and it is excellent...durable n comfirtable
Excited for it, love the looks and hope it comes to the states, and if undercuts the zx4rr by 1500$ I’d seriously consider it
i will going to buy one for sure..................that will be my fun bike for the weekends, I like the design and is fast enough, not like my Ducati but it is fast to have fun.
They used to make a Honda cb1 400 4cylinder That was a fun bike
Waiting for that v4 they patented to drop, for now I’ll stick with my Papio SS.
Yesterday I was at the Malaysian Auto Show held at MAEPS, there was a whole exhibition hall dedicated to Chinese manufacturers I saw at least four 500 to 800 cc four cylinder sports bikes there, unfortunately CFMOTO did not have the Boom, there were several big bore cruisers, one sporting an 1100 V four.
Some of the bikes were lower spec obviously for the Asian commuter market, however there were a hell of a lot of very high spec, Sports, Adventure and cruiser on show, not sure how much of this stuff will make it to the west but it will be interesting to see what happens!
I really hope the upcoming 675cc bike from CFM gets the same or similar design as the 500 does. It really does look awesome.
The little teaser image at the beginning is giving me Suzuki vintage sport bike vibes with the dual lights.....and I like it!!!
Nah. Not those headlights
I must admit ive been looking around for the second bike "the next stepping stone" and the amount of middle weight bikes is sooo good. But its also added some time as far as narrowing down exactly what i want.
Man they are really stepping up their like
The Papio is a beautiful bike. I love the looks.
Now I know you're getting paid by cfmoto
I agree
While I am very bored with parallel twins, inline fours don't usually have a good enough power to weight ratio on smaller displacement bikes. The only spec I can find so far is a top speed of around 140mph, which isn't very good considering my RS 660 gets up to 150 with a parallel twin and weighs under 400lbs.
Comparing an RS to a torquey entry level bike is a bit weird
these 4 cylinder bikes targets another public(There is another one from QJ Motors that realeased this year too), it's potential clients are from less developed countries, where a 600 super sport cost the same as a house, having the option of a smaller inline four is a dream that can get true for these bikers now. Most riders dreams with the beauty of a inline four, but that's pretty common in rich countries, you would not understand.
@@occasionalshredder How do you know its torquey? They haven't released any figures. And calling a 500 an entry level bike is debatable.
Perhaps the ZX-4RR is a more fair comparison, which weighs about 415lbs and only makes 55hp. Still not worth the cost, weight, or performance despite being a cool bike.
@@Isle_of_man67 My point is that inline fours don't make sense on smaller bikes regardless of price and market, compared to parallel twins. As much as I am loathe to admit it. It may be a dream bike for some, but that doesn't make it any more practical at this displacement.
@@Cthooligan I will repeat it for you, YOU, ARE, NOT, THE, TARGET. It doesn't makes sense for rich countries, but it does for the 3rd world, and guess what, there is a lot of clients there, we may be poor, but we still can manage to buy pretty stuff.
I'm waiting on the 675sr. If they can get it to the 110hp range, sub-440lbs, and keep the price around 11k, I'm getting one. I have a feeling Yamaha and KTM are going to do the same thing Triumph did with the Daytona 765 and price the R9 and 900 RCR out of range. I'd like to see the XSR900 gp here in the states.
I can't wait for the naked version. All the sound, none of the fragile plastics.
I love my 2022 650 Adventura! I wanna see you on one someday, yam. I love the styling of it. It looks like an insectoid cyborg cyclops from the future.
It s like the Moto Morini corsarso sport 750, they identify what the competitor doesn t have(an interesting engine) and created a super sporty 750 V2 90degree engine
I've been following 500SR news closely since you first spoke about it on Yamcast back in October, so since CFmoto dropped their video on the "Voom", i've been eagerly awaiting this video from you haha.
Sad to see atleast this version will be for domestic market only, however i suspect/hope that this will be exclusive to the "Voom" and that other markets will get to see the standard sport faired 500SR come to their markets. I think a lot of people love the whole idea of the ZX-4RR, middle weight inline 4 screamer with fully useable power, however i imagine the price tag really does hurt it's sales and i think this is where the 500SR will shine.
Time will tell if we'll even be able to buy one, and long term reliability is certainly a big question, but the more inline 4 noises on the road the better in my opinion. Very interested to see how this develops.
I had the 450 as my first bike and it is so fun.
That being said, even if this is released in the US, I don't really have any desire to pick one up, as I personally really, really hate the retro look, which is one of the many reasons why when I eventually upgrade it's gonna be to an R7
I really hope that we can get an impression vid about the CFM 500SR from you someday in the near future. It really is a cool looking and in the current days kinda uniquely motorized machine!
I mean, at least for me, the only other inline-4 in this cc class(-ish) I can think of is Honda's 650 lineup...
Love the papio, this new 500sr is super cool. I was considering a zx4rr... this makes things interesting (edit: if it comes to the USA :/ )
Personally, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Fun 4 cylinder engine at low CC's which you can enjoy without getting into trouble is the way to go. Also insurance is way cheaper as well.
All the talk from people about how boring inline-4 engine are. And all that.
That CSMoto 500SR looks great. I spent hours last night deciding between YZF-R3, MT-03, and Ninja 500. I decided the sound of the YZF-R3 outweighed the look of the MT-03 and even the status symbol and lifelong dream of the NInja 500. Seriously the 2024 R3 stock sound *terrified* me I had to go for it. But if the 500SR was available for $4-4.4K it would have been a consideration just on the looks.
Dude, more like double that price !
I got my 300sr as a daily bike, I now got 8000 miles on it, no issues although I have dropped it twice already 😅
Yammie,
I would love to see you react to the actual teaching that the MSF online course presents to the brand-new riders in this community. Thought this would be a fun way to interact with your fresh new squidlets. I am currently going through this course and I would love to see what you have to to add to these teachings!
Yammie Noob, I love your channel so much, I just had to subscribe!
Welcome to the craziness!!!
I love the look of 80's and 90's sport bikes and the papio but I wouldn't drop that kind of money on a little bike when I can spend the same on a bigger, used bike. A 500 is interesting, though! I hope it helps the trend of bringing that 80's/90's aesthetic back to modern bikes, like the yamaha xsr900gp ❤
The coolest thing they could do with that exhaust if it's a flat-plane 4-cylinder is make it true divorced duals. Run the left half of the engine through the left pipe, and the right half through the right pipe. I've heard a GSXR 750 in a drift buggy/kart with this setup and it sounded ALMOST like a cross-plane. Gotta rev it out to the full 13k+ though for it to work, low RPM ain't it with such a setup as it'll just sound like two 180-deg parallel twins below 11k.
It looks good, but I would wait for the 675 they're planning to release. Just hope that this one won't be just in China, too
Maybe they said ‘domestic market only’ to see how the response would be… if people would be outraged and/or sad, they can come out and say “fine you’ll get it too” and everyone will be happy. But if the response is like “meh no one cares”, they can probably save themselves a lot of costs by not having to export it all over the world…. ? Just a wild thought though…. 😅
You know what’s funny? There’s already a picture of a special edition of a possible 675ss for moto 3. lol
4:58 why A2 restricted? the zx4rr isn't
Zx4rr only got 54hp that's A2 restrictions, 80hp is just a scammed from Kawasaki
@@jarrolightfeather4703 kawasaki doesnt offer the restriction for it... but you can restrict it yourself
@@jarrolightfeather4703 A2 isn't 54hp, its 48hp
@@jarrolightfeather4703A2 is 35kW (47.5hp) restricted, plus, ZX4RR in Europe is ~80hp, not 50ish like in America, and it can’t be restricted to meet the A2 compliance
Cf Moto Mexico hinted at a possible local version when presenting it on their social media, so there's a tiny chance
FML I haven’t even watched this yet. It’s not coming to USA? What a waste. We have to abolish the import laws in the USA.
Roman numeral V for 5, OO for the two headlights, M motor
maybe
it's here in the PH boys! For Only 6,700 usd! Ridden it myself and personally think it is quicker than the zx4rr, saw on papers its got 81bhp, build quality and after sales parts of cfmoto has been awesome as well couldn't ask for more
Lots of people in N.American market don't understand the rest of the world. In many countries they have a tiered drivers license system and as a young new rider there are restrictions on motor size limitations. They don't give 500 or 1000cc bikes to 16,18 year old riders, emissions and other standards keep lots of these motorcycles out of the market. CF Moto just finished a huge facility in Monterrey Mexico, Nuevo Leon, all the bikes 800, 450 have big pre orders. CF is in large dealer in S. California, so the bikes are on the floor in 15 places, CF Moto is doing some things a little different than other Chinese, they are getting permission from KTM to use designs and the parts are interchangeable. and the obvious flaws w the direct to consumer, like buying a motorcycle from Amazon or other Internet site is fixed by having dealership support before bike is popular not afterwards
As someone who is looking at bikes for the "first time buy" CF Moto is very tempting
They look nice on paper and in pictures, but personally I don't think they're priced low enough. For just a tiny bit more you could get the same bike but not Chinese.
China with some 1.5 billion people is a very large market to start with/ and starting "domestic only" doesn't always mean domestic only forever, and if they do have a small glitch or two to iron out, better to keep it a secret among their 1.5 million people than to lose face over it world wide with over 7 billion people. Good basic business strategy. Then again, with developing a new power plant, I would expect to see them bring something to Western markets at some point 2 to 5 years in the future. *I'm on my third motorcycle, and it's a Versys x300 (which is at least "larger" than my prior moto's) Keep it right side up/ and have fun riding, love seeing those Austin area country roads, we visit Austin at times to see the grandkids.
Nice vid, I'm really interested in the CFmoto and the Benelli as bikes. sat on a Benelli 752 nice feeling bike. like to know if you get them in the US
Id buy one if cf moto checks out. would be a nice run around bike and track toy
This is a really cool i-4, although I think they're missing the mark on power. Going for full A2 limit power would've totally broken the 80-95 hp "middleweight sport bike" market.
Who wouldn't have looked at the R7, GSX-8R, Daytona 660, ZX-4R, RS660, etc. Then looked at a budget friendly CFMoto i-4 with those sick retro looks, screaming inline-4 sound, making 94 HP, and chosen that over the underwhelming ZX-4R, (especially in the US) or poor comparison twins?
What I'd really love to see is someone like Yamaha or Triumph, with their extensive experience extracting street friendly power out of triples, build a road & track capable 499cc triple, pushing 90-95 hp, revving to 14-15,000 RPM.
The power density would be easily in line with the 675's, 765's, 800's, from Triumph and MV Agusta Daytonas and F3s.
The added displacement and larger bore, smaller cylinder count triple would give much better mid-range torque characteristics for street use, without the peaky top end.
Lopping off a cylinder would even aid in keeping weight down below 190 kgs
Yeah, and there's also a 675SR coming along with 3cylinder
That's the bike I'm curious about.
I'd buy one if they made an NK. The only thing that's stopped me buying a ZX4R is the fact that I want a Z900RS/Z650RS neo retro with an interesting engine that won't get me arrested in 2nd gear
I started on a buell xb9r, nearly 100 hp and 97 nm torque as a completely irresponsible 20 year old😂🤌🏻 now I’m 22 with a z800 as my second bike, take it from me you can start on any bike it just won’t be as easy to learn the basics
Xb9r had about 75hp.
Another reason why it might be hard to bring the voom to North America and Europe is emissions laws. 4 cylinders do produce more hydrocarbons compared to 2 cylinders of the same displacement. And there are less stringent emissions laws in China.
Cf moto confirm that they will bring the new 500 sr to Mexico at least
Between this and the Zx4/6/4rr
I think as a middle weight this is going to be a cool screamer, and if they can get it light enough, I bet it’ll be a cool canyon carver. It is just a shame all the roads by me are straight.
CFMoto 500SR definitely more appealing than any of these twins like the Ninja 500, R7, or GSX-8R
as for how it will stack against the ZX-4RR and CBR650R idk? I'm sure it will be fine, and probably be much more modernized going by CFMotos other bikes
It's funny how people say the Z900 inline-4 is boring. Then suddenly they all have the hots for a 400 or 500 inline-4 and that's not boring at all.
In simulation on Ride 5, a 1998 R1 set up identical to my 2001 can run a 1:59.1. A stock 2020 BMW M1000RR on the same tires did no better than a 1:58.3. Mine was $40k cheaper, so I consider it a far better bike for the money. RUclips has changed the way people buy motorcycles. The amount of information available to the new or lesser experienced rider is instrumental in changing the motorcycles manufacturers produce.
China has a well earned reputation for building crappy, throw-away motorcycles, amongst other things. It has nothing to do with prejudice. Early CF bikes are still turds. Fun while they work and yes cheap, but they are crap. They are slowly making them better, but they still don't have the performance and longevity of their Japanese counterparts. I have no doubt, when they finally do catch up, if they do, the cost will also go up.
That’s gonna be sick. I was looking at getting a ZX4RR but this might definitely convince to get this CFMoto. The simplicity is perfect and the price point is probably going to convince me that I can wad it up or lay it down and not be upset.
Just bought a ZX4RR last weekend. Loving it so far. No regrets
@@cauywarner7136 the price is steep for something I plan on laying down. I want one.
@@cauywarner7136it’s a bot
It has already been announced in the mexican market
i love it, just wish it wasn’t a cf moto. I think we need more lower power 600cc bikes. the Honda CBR650r is a good example For those of us who don’t want a super aggressive riding position and to be going 100 in 1st, but still want good power to play with and a 4 cylinder
I'm surprised about the "market disagrees with you" when I hear/see so many ZX6Rs and R6s all the time where I live.
To be honest, I like the parallel twins far better than the high revving no mid-torque bikes…torque where I want it is king. Horsepower is for bragging rights. You said it yourself Yam, KTMRC8C was the fastest track bike you had the chance to ride…889 cc, parallel twin cylinder,285°, DOHC, 4 valves per cylinder…. I get why the RPMs sell and why squids love em. Different strokes for different folks. 🤙
3:44 ye because they cost about 20k, people want them but they don't have 20k to throw on a brand new supersport
my Dream Bike for a Lifetime : 550cc V4 Cafe Racer
wish some manufacturer would make such ....
wait, Chinese BENDA 500c V4 is in the works....
Looks, power, feature, sound, price. Cfmoto wins and i did buy the bike.
Confident in reliability, aftermarket support, comfortability, resale value. Kawasaki wins.
Yamaha used to have like 12 bikes that used some version of the R6 motor. They could’ve at least given us a single bike with an inline 4 that wasn’t 1000cc+
Love my FZ6 'daily R6'. Cheap and somewhat comfy bike with a 14200 rpm redline 4cylinder.
so funny , last year we were talking about it... What if CFmoto small inline 4
We would love more mini v4 engines
You should do a kove rally! Them are pretty hot right now
Yes yes yes MORE CYLINDERS
Wow we won’t get it that sucks was look forward to this bike
Yammie Noob, This is amazing! I can't stop smiling!
Any news about the cfmoto 675 sr?
Debut on July 14
I want to see a new 200, 250 4 cylinder
I'm pretty sure kawi announced
The zx250 but whether it comes to the US is a different story
@@brandonthomas4527ZX-25RR is available only in some specific market like India, Philippines, China, Japan, etc mostly southeast Asia/Asian country. The zx-25rr is much faster than the ninja 400/500 though it will never come to the North America market due there is already n 400/500cc and zx-25rr is much better in Asian country as it's always traffic and you can rarely only go 100kmph in Asia due traffics
@@brandonthomas4527yeah ZX25R released in the Philippines since 2020
zx25rr, but its EXPENSIVE
I'd love it if you got a hold of that bike and compared it to something like the Ninja 500!
If cfmoto was to make a 600 4cyl or liter bike, i would consider getting another cfmoto, but i have no choice but to get a 636 or 750
Wonder why they didn’t make it a 600 or 650.
Please do one for 675sr
What bike is he riding?
Another thing, if you want a linear progression of displacement (and therefore torque) as a factor of rider skill/readiness and bike size, then you could go 250, 400, 635, 1000, 1600.
*250* would pretty much be only a single for the American market. MAYBE a twin if we did some A2 style bullshit and needed the RPM to make it highway capable. Or a triple or 4-banger if we wanna bring back the 90s 250 era, but cost would probably make that dead in the water, TBH.
*400* could be a single for Dual Sport/SM, a twin for sport naked, and maybe a triple for a beginner supersport. I really don't see the point or need for a 4-cyl here... Maybe bring back the NC30/NC35? But the triple would be cooler and cheaper(which is probably the reason it'd be limited to a twin, anyway), so. Maybe do the V4 here and a triple for the above with the idea that each category's 3+ cylinder has the same HP rating (achieved through lower torque but more RPM) as the next category's 2-cyl can achieve.
*635* 4-cyl mids are dead, so a Single for the big dual sport/dirt bike and light ADV, and probably a twin as the "advanced starter bike" which is basically what we already have with the MT07 and RS660. Weight is key here, the lighter the bike, the less "beginner" this is. If it's a crossplane twin it could also go in a beginner sport-cruiser. Triple here only if the market genuinely wants a revvy supersport, which it doesn't so like... IDK. Especially with the upper middleweight category being full of 750-900cc stuff (and now, stupidly, 950 or w/e with the Duke "990")
*1000* Basically keep the supersport category as it is, but add variety with some cross-plane twins (V or Inline, and pref 285-deg) and triples. And for the love of god, please actually TUNE the goddamn liter twins so they rev enough and have enough torque to bust the 120hp mark. Tired of underpowered twins. I want a reliable 135-150hp liter twin FFS.
*1600* Pretty much only a cruiser or touring displacement category. Twin for the would-be Harley rider (with a 305-deg crank for a better/more applicable sound), and triple for those wanting smoothness. For super-cruisers/muscle bikes you could probably justify a V4 or a 6-cylinder of some type, but eh... Not really necessary.
*Full disclosure, I don't think any combination of engine displacement or cylinder count in any category, nor any consolidation of it will by any means "revolutionize" the market.* That's just not the way motorcycling is going. It's stagnant, unchanging, and rooted in the unfortunate obstinance of "tradition." What I think COULD genuinely change it are some novel suspension and overall bike layout changes. Stuff like Dan Gurney's AAR Alligator, who's ultra low CG brought from the 18" seat height made the handling "near telepathic" according to several reviewers. Not to mention vastly increase the braking and acceleration effectiveness due to the drastically reduced (eliminated in the case of the Gator) tendency to wheelie and stoppie.
And that's to say nothing of the fact that the telescopic fork is just about the shittest suspension design imaginable. Wanna know what's significantly better even despite being in it's infancy and only being explored by ONE man? Robert Horn's "virtual hub center" steering double A-arm design. What it really is is just a double ball joint/4-bar suspension for a car-oriented longitudinally for use with a bike wheel. It's fuckin GENIUS, light weight, responsive, it decouples steering from suspension, and since it has 4 inches of geometric trail, it has just as much (if not more) proper feedback as the forks we're unfortunately used to at this point.
THOSE two things would revolutionize the market. Not changing what size and cylinder count engines go into whichever abstract "category" of bike people claim to want to buy.
500SR is not exclusive to the Chinese market, they will definitely sell 500SR to the world. The 500SR has a retro appearance to avoid homogeneous competition with the racing exterior designs of the 450SR/675SR. The 500SR/675SR will be unveiled and sold in China in July.
This version not be in the US but the 500 is coming!!!
Almost bought one but couldn't find any long term high mileage reviews on CF Moto, and the very few real owners reviews I did find weren't very great, think I'll stick with my Japanese bikes
Their quads are great. My dad has had one for a couple years now and it still takes the trails and mud pits like they're nothing.
I wouldn't think their bikes are any less quality.
Mine is already 20k millage, u cannot find high mileage of Cfmoto because Cfmoto is still new in road street vehicle mostly they made ATV and Snowmobile
Japo bikes......sad....
@aggrosaxon459 best in the world buddy
@@takumisato7126 Hell yeah, bought a 2nd hand z650 14k mileage. Changed all the oils, coolant, brake pads, sprocket & chain. It feels like a brand new bike.
500sr I's not going to be A2 restricted if it comes to Europe. ZX4 is full A licence with 80hp here in Europe
0:34 I think what you meant to say is: they identify a market in which they can undercut foreign manufacturers with their dirt cheap production costs and questionable quality. Driving competitors out of the market...
Think what you will about me, but I can't see myself ever buying a Chinese bike. I don't judge anyone who does, but I just can't do it. (Im 35, dont know if thats what you meant by older folks or not)
If it costs as much as a ninja 500 or cbr 500, those bikes will see some competition for sure.
missed the 1000sx ninja the best one !
The problem is in countrys with learner systems that the power output is too low, so bike like this and the zx4r would have to be restricted to be available for people trying to come into motorcycling. Raise the power limit on learners license so we can buy these small 70hp bikes