Downsizing my Tenere 700
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- I have owned my Yamaha Tenere 700 for 2 years and 6,000 miles. I have become less comfortable with the weight, top heavy nature, seat height, and tube tires on the T7 as I mostly ride alone. The T7 is a great adventure bike, but I am investigating smaller bikes that may give me more confidence and still meet my needs as a senior rider. Should I sell my T7 and downsize? I evaluate 7 alternative small adventure bikes in this video.
As a 5'4" woman in her mid 50's who wanted to learn how to ride on dirt while still having the ability to A) pick up the bike, and B) keep up with interstate traffic, I also analyzed a series of motorcycles using a chart listing all the requirements and used grading scale to add points for each characteristic (a man after my own heart). The total score produced the top 4 contenders on your list! (TLDR - the Honda and Versys were the final two contenders).
Luckily, I had the opportunity to sit on all 4, which I believe to be imperative before buying. Bikes like the Himalayan looked great on paper, but the engine configuration and general layout were uncomfortable for me. The DRZ was just too tall and too narrow for my purposes. So the choice really came down to the Honda CB500X and Kawasaki Versys X300. While the Honda was much more comfortable (and the one I believe you would enjoy the most), it was also heavier, so I ended up buying the Versys X300.
The Versys engine is a high revving sports version taken from the Ninja - alarming after riding low revving cruisers for 30 years! It required a change to a 15-tooth front sprocket to make it manageable at lower gears (huge improvement in slow motion throttle control) and lowered the RPM without affecting the computer. But that, and a Seat Concepts upgrade, has made the Versys my constant companion for over 11,000 miles now. Mine is outfitted with T-Rex engine guards (Highly Recommended over OEM), a Ricochet bash plate, bark busters, higher windshield, and soft-luggage supports. It's been this way for the full 11K miles and I'm FINALLY going to add a lowering kit so I'm not on my tip-toes.
Finding the right bike is highly personal. I wish you luck on your journey! Honestly, though, I couldn't be happier with the handling, flexibility, and lightness of the Kawasaki Versys X300.
Hi, really like your comment and thought it was well done. Could I asked what taller windscreen did you buy? Thanks for any help.
Great comment. You've been researching. I have been riding since 1987. All bikes are a compromise. Just like your partner - LOL! You have to find one that works well enough all of the time to get along. It's really easy to get a new bike or change it. Not so for your partner. Both took me some trial and error. But you can change bikes like socks without having your feelings hurt. From what you said, I would start with something small like a Suzuki DR200 and learn dirt riding. It will not be safe in the highway. Max speed about 60, and you are wringing it's neck.
As a Versys 650 owner I can't but appreciate the Versys 300; I, too, considered it for my next buy, but here in Italy it comes with tubes, that is a deal breaker for me, unfortunately.
I am 64 this year and just bought a Suzuki DR650
I couldnt be happier. Best bike i ever owned. Old school, simple, looks great,value for money and never ages.
Yay John, I am 66 and I just did 9500 kms (I guess 7000 miles) on a DR650 around remote parts of Australia. Lowered it 25 mm which is very straightforward if you shorten the side stand. I also put on a different seat (Sargent) and a 25 Litre Acerbis tank and I am good for 520km (About 300 miles) range. Great fuel economy and did everything I asked of it. I also weighs a lot less than 450 pounds and I can pick it up on my own.
I’m 75 and I’ve circled around to DR 650. I lowered it the factory way front and rear and a seat concepts Lowered seat I couldn’t be happier.
I have gone through the same thought process. I down sized from an Harley at 840 lbs to a Yamaha xt 250. Too small. May of 2022 I got a Ktm 390 adventure. That works fine. My riding now is about same as yours. I’m little older at 80.
I looked at 390 and preferred the 500x I couldn't even notice the weight difference between them. And a 390 single is really not much engine. 390 has better suspension. But it depends what the use is going to be.
@@chrishart8548Might check out Oregon motorcycle channel. They did a speed test of the 390 vs 500. The guy on the 390 was heavier. The 390 pulled away from the 500. Interesting comparison, couple different videos
The 390 can also be tuned and tweaked to put out much more power than it does.@@chrishart8548
I am 85 and loved my X300 . Had been riding bikes for 67 years. I found my choice for a smaller bike was the x300 , but I wish I opted for the abs . You sound like me when you are making a choice . There is no doubt in my mind I made the best choice. Good luck,
As to height, Itchy Boots is 5'6" and loves her Honda 300 L Rally. She recently stated that she has no plans to purchase any different bike. In addition, she has changed the suspension and loves soft luggage. She does not want tubeless tires, as her wheels are spoked and loose spokes cause leaks in tubeless tires. Instead, she tries to keep thick treads on her tires and does so by changing them before they get fully worn down. She has not had problems with flats as a result. Another thing she looks at is standard mileage maintenance requirements, such as required oil and filter changes. This is a strong point of this 300 Rally that she loves...
I downsized from a BMW 1200gs to a royal enfield himalayan and have been more than happy. I do about 50:50 riding and also live close to the forest and blm roads/trails. The weight has not been an issue really because the himalayan carries its weight pretty low and is very well balanced.
I am 72 and down sized to the CRF300L Rally. The only thing that is a con for me is the seat height. I put a low concept seat on and that helped a little. I have ridden from Chelan WA to the Giant Loop ride twice now and it has worked very well for me. I put all the usual protective gear on it and put on a new shock and front spring in fork for my weight. It handle just fine on the highway and gets 70 mpg or better. It tends to be a little top heavy but no worse than the DRZ400S witch I have ridden and had to pick up. For the kind of ridding you have described I personally don't think the horse power of any of these bikes really matters all that much. I have ridden the Himalayan and it will do 65 mph just fine and my CRF300L Rally will do 80 mph and will cruise along loaded down with camping gear at 65 mph all day long with out a problem and still get 70 mpg. I carry about 40 lb of gear in the Giant Loop Great Basin bag with there Tillamook bag strapped on top. I have there smaller panier bags strapped up front and a handle bar bag and a fender bag strapped to my wind screen because it will not fit on the front fender. So that is my two bits worth.
... I'm 67 on a 2021 CRF 300 Rally with a lot of up grades. I love it.
. Jeff .
Of the ones you mentioned, the KTM 390 is the one I consider a relative no-brainer. It’s powerful and well-appointed for the money, with a very good suspension. If you’re shorter of inseam (I am 6’ with a 30” inseam, too), it should not feel too terribly small at standover, but you will probably have to adjust reach a bit. I can’t remember whether the 390 has the 3 locators for the bar clamps like other KTM ADV bikes. If it does, Bob’s your uncle because it’s a very simple operation to move the clamps forward to get you a bit more stretched out.
I have to say I did a 🤔 when you said you didn’t want a dual sport, yet included the DRZ and the CRF in your list. They are most certainly dual sports, and both are very good tools for that job, for different reasons. I have a DRZ myself, with a properly set up suspension, and yeah, I practically need a step ladder to get onto it, and I’ve fallen over at 0mph by misjudging where my foot is going a couple of times. However, I think it makes a great light camping platform, just to gainsay your comment regarding dual sport camping capabilities 😉.
Best of luck with your decision. I’m considering doing something similar moving from the DRZ, but maybe moving to a KTM 350 or 500exc-f to get ultra-light, with the trade-off of ultra-high seat. Trade-offs!
Edit: how about adding Triumph’s new 400 scrambler to your list. You could go back to the future and relive your scrambler days. I do not know much about it yet, though. Maybe worth a study?
I’ve been riding a Harley Electraglide for 20 years and a Honda Goldwing for as long before. I started riding on a Honda 50 in 1968. I bought my friends 1986 BMW R80RT, another touring bike, 3 years ago because I knew the day was coming when I would give my Harley to my son, because I no longer felt safe on it with my wife in the back. That happened two weeks ago on a trip to the Black Hills, S. Dakota from my home in Wyoming. I injured my leg when placing my foot wrong at a stop and zinged my ankle, knee and hip. I rode home in pain and it took two weeks to recover. My wife said she no longer will ride with me on that bike. Getting old is a bitch. I’m glad I bought my friend’s BMW. It feels featherweight compared to the Harley and I love riding it. I had a new one in 1986 which I regretted selling. Keep the shiny side up!😎👍
From one aging rider to another - good thinking, sir!
Something can be said for getting a little older & wiser. Like, that we do not need all those hp to impress others or ourselves.
I hope the accident has not left too deep scars mentally, but might even help you to enjoy the rides while you can!
Enjoy the process of picking your new bike and have tons of fun with it (as I am sure you will).
Best wishes from Denmark.
I’m not sure if someone has mentioned this yet, but the spoked version of the 390 Adv has tubed wheels. The cast wheel version is tubeless. For your riding style the cast wheels should be plenty strong. I got to ride a KTM 390 duke and versys 300x around the west coast of Ireland and would take the KTM engine all day. It’s so engaging and fun to use. I haven’t ridden the adv, but I would expect the riding dynamics to be similarly entertaining. There is also the triumph scrambler 400 coming out this winter that looks like a great small displacement option if you aren’t doing much more than fire roads. Happy travels!
Thanks for the honesty. I saw a guy total a snowmobile with under a mile on it. He was like watch this and you can fill in the rest. This is the best information I have found . Thank you.
Your candid, informative discussion is certainly helpful for anyone who may be interested in "downsizing" or shopping for a smaller adventure machine. I've recently downsized from my '02 Kawi Concours to a '22 Kawi KLR650. I find the KLR "Adventure" model to be very easy to handle compared to my '94 HD Ultra Classic highway touring bike and the Concours "commuter" bike. For '23 Kawi has introduced the KLR650S, "S" for short. Revzilla has a nice evaluation off that machine in its Common Tread blog. Good luck in your selection!!
I think you'll enjoy the KTM 390 ADV more than the others. While all KTMs can go off-road, their road manners are always at the top of the heap. I had a 1190 ADV and took adventure classes with all the big BMW GS 1200s, and kept up just fine as a new rider. The bikes are more capable than we are as their pilots. If you wanna drag a knee, the KTM will do it. If you wanna go on a fire road, the KTM will do it. If you wanna commute, the KTM will do it. No complaints there. Happy riding, Señor.
You do realize the 1190 ktm and 1200 GS where more or less the same size?
Otherwise i agree, i have the current gen KTM1290 SAS and it rips offroad with its rider being the big limiting factor
The 390 ADV is a small bike and gets blown around in the wind on the highway, more cramped ergonomics too. Was not nearly as comfortable for touring as the bigger bikes you mention.
@alexaiverson Agreed. He won't have it long before he realises his mistake. He'll also notice the unreliability especially coming from a Yamaha. Looking forward to the video "Why I'm selling my KTM 390".
This is an excellent review Bruce. Thank you.
I did pretty much the same process for my own purchase, with many of the same criteria. I'm 61, 5'7", with a year of riding experience on bikes as large as a BMW GS1150R. One downside of the Versys 300X is that the HP and torque is higher in the rev range, so you'll need to give it throttle to get through some stuff the Himalayan can just chug through. Also, keep in mind that it's not just the price (and weight) of the bike, but also the price (and weight) to fit the bike out. So go ahead and price in things like bash plates and engine guards (and factor them into the weight). My spreadsheets say that the CB500X is the best bike for my needs, but, after that came the CRF 300 LS (not available yet) and the Himalayan Scram 411. I ended up getting the Scram 411, because it's the best bike for my current abilities and how I intend to ride it. It rides fine at 60mph, and I'm not really interested in going any faster. I've only got 1,000 miles on it so far, but I'm quite happy that I made the right choice (for me).
Very nice video, and relevant to me as I'm grappling with the same sort of issues. I'm 64, 5'10", 155, 32" inseam with a base Africa Twin. It is a great bike in many ways but it is heavy, a bit top heavy, and offers more horsepower than I need. I do have some long-distance trips planned which makes me hesitant to downsize just yet. Glad to see your video as I'm sure there are many folks in our shoes. Seat height itself is a such an issue that I wonder why so few manufacturers are addressing it.
Hey Bruce great video and I like your honest and humble sharing. Good to see you're also on the mend! I too got my T7 in late spring of 21. I'm in my mid 60's and decided to jump back into riding after the pandemic was winding down and the kiddos finally left the nest. My last biIke was a Honda 550 4! That was 40+ years ago! I too recognize some of the short comings caused by the T7 weight and top heavyness. I ride mostly on hardpacked dirt roads and gravel mostly here in Vermont and only have 4600 miles, About twice a summer I ride with friends and travel to the lakes for some over nites. I do not enjoy riding on interstate mostly becuase I feel the T7 is abit underpowered for traveling comfortably long distances at 75+ MPH. I like your point about traveling slower speeds and country rodes to enjoy the ride. Good job wirh your evaluation on smaller Advet bikes . If I downsize I wiould probably stay with a Japanese bike due to the bullet prove dependability,. I must say with all the things I dont like about the T7 I enjoy the linear power in any gear and the giddy up of 70 horsepower and of courese the blackened look. Btw did you consider that Honda is coming out with an CRF LS 300 (lower seat) and therefore easier to ride. Ride safe!
I fall into the returning rider category, first bike a 78 Honda Hawk 400 (new) that I put 20K miles on, second bike an 81 BMW R 65 (new) that I put on 55K miles on, but marriage and kids put a squash on riding as priorities had changed. Forward 36 years; at 67, no wife, kids grown, and an itch that needed to be scratched. The itch was satisfied with a 23 Himalayan 411 cc machine (24.5 hp), yes, I looked at several other bikes including a KTM 390, but the Himi was the best fit for me. I have 4500 km on the machine now, and find it is great around town, and the rural roads of Mexico where I have retired to. The bike meets my needs except for highway travel, it responds fine to the 80 kph (50 mph) range and will do 110 (68 mph) on the flat, problem is traffic will be doing 120+. So, when the new water cooled Himalayan 450 (40 hp) that is supposedly lighter in weight I will acquire one of those.
I had a long list when I was looking for a bike, light weight and power were my main considerations. I settled on the CRF 450L, and with modifications, has suited my needs and wants better then I expected. Good luck making up your mind!
Same here but with the EXCF bikes.
I was fortunate to pick up the CRF 300 Rally. I have extensive backpacking and hiking experience so am used to packing and traveling light. After following your adventures for a bit, the small Rally might be a bit out of your comfort level and rack-less luggage is crucial for that bike. I have to put a plug for the CB500X or the new 450 Himalyan. Good to see you recovered and fully back at it! Hope you find your unicorn 😊
I'm 64 years old and really appreciate your thoughtful attention to finding a bike that meets your needs. My own needs and desires are different - I'm a road rider with a longer inseam than yours, but your process and honesty about your capabilities are inspiring. Thanks for sharing.
(Since I ride for a different purpose, I don't have any suggestions for you. My Kawasaki Versys 1000 is a very different bike that the smaller Versys models. It's best suited for sport touring. It's okay on dirt and gravel roads, but definitely isn't an adventure bike.)
im 37 and have never ridden a motorcycle but i enjoy your content. i am considering taking a course because the countryside on a bike has to be an awesome thing to witness.
I stared riding at 43 in 2017. I’m 49 now, 50 in a month. These last 6.5 years of riding have been the most enjoyable of my life. Don’t hesitate to take the MSF course. You won’t regret it.
Have had both the CB500X and the Versys 300X. I am 6 feet tall and found the Versys way comfier once I sorted out the plank they give you instead of a seat. I increased the front sprocket to 15 teeth which gets rid of the insanely short first gear and also allows you to cruise at 70 - 80mph in comfort. It really loves to rev! The CB500x had a sportier riding position but also has a gem of a motor. Not quite as revvy but that bit more power. I still regret selling them both but needs must.
Great feedback just think your cruising speed might be a little more then needed :)
Thank you for such a informative post. Im coming from a dirt bike background but due to illness cant do single trail anymore so ive adventurised my DRZ 400E. I can't even pick it up and therefore find it a bit tall. Ive been thinking about a bigger bike to allow for much longer trips and like you ive found every bike has different advantages and ive been unable to make up my mind. Ive included the 650gs as well, which although heavy has a low centre of gravity.
Looking forward to seeing what you get
I am with you all the way bro. I started on a Triumph Tiger 1200, and downsized to a Tiger 900 Rally Pro for 3 years and enjoyed riding over 30,000 kms, some pretty technical off road included. However, I have decided to let it go since I bought a Voge 300 Rally. It is so much fun. So much easier to ride and pick up. Good luck with your choice. Live Long Ride On.
I really like the Versys. Just great to ride and wonderful handling. Own one.
Thank you for your analysis. I, too, am a senior (80), 6' 2", and ride a KLR 650 in and around my NE Oregon community. For the same reasons as you've noted, I have often considered downsizing and find your information very useful. One parameter I'd add is dealership availability. Riding or hauling my bike 200 or 300 miles for dealer services has been a "deal killer". My KLR dealer is less than 40 miles away.
I have the T7 as well and have looked at everything and the 2023 KTM 390 Adventure keeps coming out on top. I have watched a lot of reviews and the 390 surprises a lot of really good riders. One RUclipsr, Adventure Matt, gives very honest reviews on the 390 and he also owns a T7 and says he'd choose the 390 any day over the T7. Good luck with your decision.
I owned a 390 ADV for 6 months and sold it for a KLR. If you're mostly riding it around on the street then I'd say it's fine. It's lightweight so gets blown around on highway pretty easily, you have to make a lot of mods to get it to be comfortable in the dirt, seat was not comfortable for me, can not carry a lot of weight properly without upgrading the shock. Moving to a 21 inch front wheel was very noticeable to me offroad, ergonomics aren't cramped anymore, KLR feels much more stable with longer wheelbase on the dirt, much more planted on the highway. Just some thoughts. I thought I'd want a smaller bike at first, but small comes with its downsides too.
Changed the doo-hicky yet?@@red-moto
Agree, Adventure Matt is a great resource. I have a 390Adv and love his channel.
Great video!! I downsized from the T7 recently myself. I chose the CRF300L, but partly because I will keep two motorcycles. The other is an older ST1100 I picked up used. The CRF is tall, but manageable with so much sag in the stock suspension. If I go to a stiffer rear shock, I’ll have to use lowering links. I had lowered by T7 front and rear as well. Thank you for sharing this information!
Good video, thank you! I started riding “late” at 57 and put 4K miles on a Triumph Tiger 660, including a week and over 800 miles at North Carolina ‘s famous roads. I love that bike! We did some gravel roads but I would need better tires to do maybe 80/20. Anyways, the Tiger has 80HP, the more on that category, and it’s just over 400 lbs.
Good luck and ride safe!
Great information. For someone going through the similar sort of thinking.
I have a CRF250L rally and it’s a great bike. Thanks for the review!
The 390 is a very fun bike! I had one for a couple years and really enjoyed it. The ergos can be modded pretty easily. The engine is a real gem and they bike has a very playful and fun personality. It is limited via travel and ground clearance when things get rough - but that is easily solved by just … slowing down :-)
Good luck! Love how methodically you are working towards a solution that works for you.
Enjoyed the video. Very much in parallel with you. 68 y/o and the V-Strom 650 seems to be getting more top-heavy every year. I ride a little Chinese 250 around Cuenca which is a blast to ride...light, nimble, and adequate power. So like you, I'm looking at the 400 class. The bike that I'm looking at to replace the 250 is the new Triumph 400 Scrambler.
Just discovered your channel, I’m a 67 yr old rider and your stories are inspiring. Also enjoyed reading the advice and comments to your post. My ride is a ‘08 VStrom 650, a great bike but heavy with a high center of gravity, and I’m not sure I can pick it up from the ground easily (I did this once 14 yrs ago). Also thinking of “downsizing”, going to a lighter MC with a lower center of gravity, and staying tubeless. I’m considering the KTM 890 Adventure (non-R), or the 390 Adventure. My wife also likes to ride with me on the road. Just my two cents, to me it seems the T7 is still a pretty good match for the riding you do. I live in Massachusetts and I’m envious of the rides you have in Oregon. Ride safely!
Interesting conundrum... I've owned a couple of these (CB500X and CRF300L, my current ride). I liked the 500X, but I found it pretty heavy and the rear shock was a disaster over bumps - it likes to buck you off. Maybe they've addressed this, it was a few years ago that I owned one. Great fuel economy though, and fine on the highway.
The 300L is pretty great actually, but I understand your reservations. As to the seat height, it squats pretty good when you get on so it's not that bad - try one out if you can, it will go literally anywhere, and the power is pretty good as it's so light.
If you want pure fun and simplicity, take a look at a Honda CT125 TRAIL (or a GROM even?) - not acceptable for the interstate, but for everywhere else (at your stated preferred slow pace) I bet it would be great. VERY light as well, and 100mpg plus.
Good luck on your hunt.
I just watched user name Kate ride the 2023 cb500x and it seams the back end does still buck. That's rather unfortunate
@chrishart8548 Upgrade the rear suspension, then .
I also had a Tenere for 2 years and downsized, totally understand your thought process! Ended up with a Versys 300 and am very happy with it. It’s a stable yet nimble and light-ish chassis with a great little revvy engine. The suspension is non adjustable but the stock valving is surprisingly good and well balanced for street and light off roading. 17 liter tank is nice and the bike is well put together. Only upgrades were a seat, adjustable levers and hand guards. Only thing I would want is a bit more power because it’s adequate but lacking in torque. KTM 390 is a great choice also I believe but I just have no faith in their reliability. Kawasaki should put their 399cc engine in the Versys ;)
I had a similar predicament, minus your experience - I had not ridden a bike in 30 years, and was weakened by some medical issues. Went with the KTM 390. I regret it not one little bit. It handles well, and above all, it STOPS the shortest of all the ones you mentioned. It is good enough on the highway if needed, (I l cannot avoid them sometimes) wonderful on back roads at speeds of 30-65, and really enjoyable on curvy roads. I did 3000 miles in 1.5 years (95% backroads, 5 % dirt.) I'm attending dirtdaze NE 2023 this week so lots more (easy) dirt in my future. It also came with a lot of stuff standard (Abs front and back, traction control, "dirtnap" protectors and so on.) Lighter than a KLR 650, More torque and less revvy than the Versys 300, more power and a bit taller than a gs 310, Lighter than the CB500X. I hear a bit about reliability issues, but so far, so good - a bit early to tell yet. Oh, and thanks for the content!
Love my Himalayan and do the same type riding you do. It is so much fun to ride!
Hey Bruce. So many of your points resonate with me as well as I head in to my 7th decade. I was strictly a street rider until last summer. I own a 2016 BMW R1200 RS which I love. I wanted to get off road and maybe motocamp abit so I ordered a Honda crf300 Rally. While waiting for it (over a year) I road a crf 250. Off road was a whole new ball game for me. I do not intend to single track or rock crawl. My intention is gravel roads and logging roads here in B.C. The seat height is disconcerting for sure if you are use to a street bike. I bought a lowered seat that dropped it a couple inches so now solid balls of foot (I'm 5'8") and with gear a bit lower. I bought the Honda for dealer support and reliability. So far so good as I plod around the backroads. Standing up is my current assignment. Having fun with the new challenges. Good luck with the new bike you choose.
67 here, 42 riding; all road. Still looking for my first dirt bike...
I can’t say anything negative about my 2021 G310GS that I’m approaching 12,000 miles on. I purchased it new from the dealer in Eugene, Oregon and it has been pretty close to flawless, lightweight and a very enjoyable Moto. My last bike was an Aprilia ETV1000 Caponord and while I sometimes miss its 99 horsepower I do not miss its girth and weight in the least.
All valid points mate. I'm 54 and just downsized from a DR650 to a CRF 300 Rally. So much easier to deal with, and crazy cheap on fuel- loving the new machine, perfect lightweight adventure bike 👍
Not much of a weight downsize. Maybe 35lbs. The seat is much higher on the Rally. I have a 250L Rally.
I'm surprised you noticed a big difference between the two considering the numbers. I'm curious what you feel about that makes the differences for you?
The mighty DR is superior to the Rally.
@@naps3386 Expept for fuel injection. I ride mine to work all winter. It's sure nice having it start just like that at -15 C
The reality is, though, a CRF300L rally is 92% of the weight of a DR650 with 65% of the power. I have a DR650 and a 300 Honda and the Honda engine is great with long service intervals and is fuel efficient and insurance is cheaper for me but the benefits end there. A better downsize would be a KLX230.
I'm from Slovakia ... I'm 72 years old ... and I know exactly what it's about ... super great video ... my English is bad and I watch your RUclips ... it's exactly for me ... thank you for all your videos and that's exactly what I experienced
Great channel. I'm right where you are -- 68 and facing similar issues and questions. I made my own similar spread sheet. I ended up getting a lightly used Versys 300X ABS and have been very happy with it. It feels substantial, but is not too heavy, a reliable Japanese twin that looks great. (Altho I like13th earl's suggestion about changing out the sprocket for a little more room in first gear.) I just spent a weekend at an adventure rally on a relatively new RE Himilayan, which I liked and felt very confident riding. It had some great features but felt buzzy, and build quality seemed less solid to me. When the owner lent it to me, they told me to ignore certain indicators or sounds because it was" just part of the bike". Small scramblers might just fit your bill. Just saw an Australian review which made me look again at the Bennelli Leoncino 500 Trail which I think comes in at about 400lbs.
Hey Bruce, I sold my T7 about a year ago and replaced it with a Versys-X. My girlfriend had already had her Versys-X for a couple of years and I'd set it up well for adventure touring so was very familiar with the bike. We have done a few tours including a 4000km Australian outback trip, the 300s go great!! We're heavier riders and load the bikes up with camping gear with no issues. I'm 6'4" & with bar risers & Seat Concepts tall seat it fits perfectly. Fuel capacity is a bonus. Both bikes also have upgraded (YSS) suspension. We do have dirt bikes as well for discovering our local trails (Gas Gas EC350F & Yamaha XT 250). Only negative for the Versys is the uncomfortable stock seat, easily remedied. I'm in numerous Versys-X groups online and owners all seem to love this bike. Definitely give the VX3 a go!!
I appreciate your methodical approach. I will say i have a 30" inseam also , and tho it is a tall bike , my DRZ has been one of the best bikes, and given me more adventures than i can count(25,000 miles). The reliability is unreal. All i have done is put tires, sprockets and chains on it. I do the exact kind of riding you do in the Cascades outside of Tacoma. I am 63 now. I will say i am a very experienced dirt bike rider. But i wanted to add the DRZ is very good handling on the road. Even better than the dirt.
That said, and knowing a bit about these kind of bikes i will say of the 5 on your list the KTM is it. There is a reason there are so many out there. They come from the factory with good components and you dont have to do much to it out of the box. Personally i think the big adventure bike thing is a hype and i would never take one of those off road. So i like your idea. I think you will have more fun.
Good luck, rubber side down!
At the end of the day, go with what speaks to you and feels right. Recently I went from a KTM 790 adventure i didn't like, to a KLR 650 i really enjoy and am very happy with the decision. Everyone has different expectations and needs of a Motorcycle, I like the idea of loading up the KLR with camping gear and traveling across state forests enjoying the scenery along the way. The best bike, is the one you like the most.
I enjoyed your little talk. I'm 76 and I've also been riding most of my life. I started on an Alstate MoPed at 13. I have not purchased an Adventure bike but I'm considering doing so. I've gone through the same thought process as you but still can't decide. I'm very interested to see what you ultimately do.
It is hard to beat the 250 lb KTM EXC-F bikes if you are taller. They come with good 50/50 street/dirt tires and the super light weight and horsepower makes them agile for easy quick turning on pavement or dirt. Can ride at 65 on the highway and with soft bags they are great commuters. I had one EXCF suspension lowered down 4" for a shorter inseam rider and one at full height. There are lots of off the shelf upgrade options and protection parts you can add but are great as is. They handle drops without any damage and so easy to pick up. Not at all good for longer interstate trips though but there is no fun in that for any two wheel bike, for my taste.
Good video, thanks for sharing!
Nicely done video .. very well explained , I have move to a street BRP can am ryker 900 ..a 3 wheel bike , there is also a Rally for dirt road , getting older myself , riding a motorcycle in the city , this is much easier and enjoyable ... it nice to enjoy your riding and how now enjoy it again. ( I like to ride alone to stop and see the scenery)
Hi buddy, I've had my T7 2 years also, I am 46 years old 6'1ft and I've raced in Enduro most of my life, I also find the T7 to heavy for off road and it has a poor turning circle (lock to lock) it's fantastic on the road but if that's where you're at then there's better more comfortable road bikes!
I have now ordered a Honda crf300 rally, I've had the privilege of testing one over a weekend and for me it's perfect, easy, light, smooth can sit at 70mph and very capable off road 👍🏼
Just landed on your channel as I am mulling over whether to get a bike at age 72. I rode a small bike as a teenager but not at all since then. I'm recently retired. Lots of time on my hands. People think I am crazy to even consider it. We shall see. Sub'd and followed.
Like you I am an older gentleman and have downsized from larger bikes. I did this in stages until I purchased the ktm 390. Great bike for me, will go anywhere I want to take it off road, and fabulous on road. Like every bike it needs a few accesories, handguards, bar risers, skid plate etc. A couple of comments, it is quite a tall bike, so I dont think you will be cramped. You need to take it for a really good test ride to appreciate it's qualities, a spin around the block won't do it. Good knobbly adventure tires make a world of difference.
I love watching your videos. Most of what you discuss is pertinent to me.
In this video, you mentioned something about a motorcycle winch. Can you say the name? I do a lot of riding alone on a Himalayan. Because it’s heavy and falls flat when it goes over, I need something to help me get it upright.
So glad you’re still riding, even after the accident may have shaken your confidence a little. I look forward to seeing more of your adventures.
I'd go with the Kawasaki... I've owned 2 of them. A ke 100 Kawasaki and currently a klr 650. I've been riding for 50 years I've owned so many bikes throughout the years from small bore up to a gs 1000 The Kawasaki motorcycles on a reliability stand point, were and are the most trouble free. That's been my experience.You have a great list of incredible motorcycles! I'm so happy to see your in the position to make this list to choose from to enjoy your passion to ride! Good luck with your new bike from your list!!!
Seat height is too high on the KLR and as much weight as the Tenere. I also own and like my gen 2 KLR but there are far better ADV/Dual Sport bike for off road.
I would encourage you to go back and look at the Suzuki. I currently ride a Triumph Tiger 800. Now in my 60s, I experiencing many of the same issues you brought up.
My youngest son begin riding on a DRZ 400. After installing lowering links, this turned out to be a great bike for him. On the recent ride, I took the opportunity to ride it and was amazed at the "freeing" I felt with the light weight. I agree about low on power but it truly was an excellent bike. I still find myself shaking my head and surprised at how much I liked it.
I also live in Oregon and am 62 and feeling my age. I had a KTM 1090R and started to be concerned about being able to pick that up since I ride alone a lot. I decided to supplement that with a smaller bike and bought a 2020 KTM 390 Adventure. Once I had the 390 I almost never rode the 1090. I then decided to sell the 1090 and bought a T7, hoping it would still give me the big bike experience in an easier to handle package than the 1090. Unfortunately, for me, the T7 was a big disappointment, It felt nearly as heavy and awkward to handle as the 1090, while giving up massive power, 200 mile plus fuel range, and tubeless tires. I then sold the T7 and bought an 890R, and that bike absolutely nails it. It feels almost as easy to handle as my 390, but almost as powerful as the 1090. For what you are looking for, the 390 is hands down the bike. It is road biased but great for gravel/dirt roads, and has a 200 plus fuel range, tubeless tires, reasonably low seat height, reasonably low weight, all day 70MPH cruising capability, and is still fun to rip through the gears.
Great list! I have almost the same thing (including color coding). I'm downsizing from an Africa Twin and facing exactly the same choices.
I am so glad you are downsizing. I have been watching and enjoying your videos for a while. I have been worried for your health/safety riding such a tall and heavy bike alone off pavement. I have a tiger 800 with a similar weight to the tenere though shorter. As a 63 year 5'9" I can just get it up by myself on level, i chose to ride it off pavement only on very well maintained national park gravel due to its weight. I also have a DRZ 400, and a Versys 300x. Both are fitted for carrying camping gear. They are both pretty easy to pick up at 320 and 380 lbs respectively. The DRZ is better for rougher forest roads but the versys did forest roads for several years for me before i got the DRZ. The versys is very good on twisties, (once you get used to riding in the higher rev range, 7 to 10 k where all of it's power lives) and if needed I will do interstates without the drama of a tall light dual sport getting blown around by truck wash. Even with my 120 liters of luggage It will manage 85 mph, 90 mph without the bags. The only limitation is passing, it doesn't have the grunt to pass quickly, but I just find a pull-out and let the slower traffic move ahead for a while then resume my more spirited riding. I have had 12000 trouble free miles. For flat prevention i run tube sealant in my tubes. I run shinko 805/804 tires and for a 50/50 tire on pavement they really feel like a street tire. Just be sure to get an airhawk seat pad as the stock seat is very hard. Also the windshield allows buffeting unless fitted with a small clip on accessory windshield. Best of luck with your choice.
I went through the same logic process trying to decide what to buy. I bought a KTM 390 Adventure two years ago and currently have a little over 6000 miles on it over pavement, fire roads and parts of the ORBDR. I also ride solo and needed something I could pick up if dropped.
Well done post. At 68 I am still trying to ignore many of the things you have outlined. While I still hope to have a few long distance, rides left on the Interary . .. one has to be aware of reality's goals. That said, I just picked up a used BMW GS 310 GS. I am just adding a couple of add-ons and hope to get it on the back roads soon. It was not my first pick, but it was available locally and the price was right. Thought I would try it and see if this "smaller" cc bike works for me, i.e. my adaptability ;-). I am anxious to follow your next posts and decisions!
Honda CRF300L (RRP Suspension) is my current 'down size' Works great!
I really enjoyed your video on downsizing. I'm in a very similar situation. I've been riding dirt bikes for years and I'm in my early 70's. I ride slow and mostly drive locally. I do enjoy trail riding but I came up with a different conclusion than you. I bought the Honda 2002 CB500X and really love it. It was hard to find but one showed up in December. I grabbed it immediately. It is perfect for me. Plenty of power, easy to maneuver and it gets incredible gas mileage. It regularly shows over 80 mpg. It does not seem that heavy or too tall since I'm 5;9". I also think it is very good looking and I love the green color. I also have a big BMW road bike for highway travel but when I'm running around town, the Honda is it.
Thanks for the great video. I’m 64 with a 29” inseam. I chose a Yamaha WR250R because its 295 lb. weight, incredible engine, fully adjustable suspension, and large stator for accessories. I added a Yamalink lowering link and a lot of other accessories for adventure travel. I use the 21”/18” stock rims for off-road camping adventures and Warp9 supermoto rims for on-road and gravel adventures. For my needs, it seems to be the perfect set-up. Good luck with your selection process. I’m anxious to see what you end up with.
I looked for a WR250R forever for my first bike, for all of the reasons you mentioned. Went with a CB500X, but then found a DRZ that wasn’t clapped out. I’m excited to try SM wheels & have the off road setup for camping and exploring. The CBX is great, but the weight difference on the DRZ is noticeable; much easier to bring it back when I get caught off balance. Enjoy your WR!
You are speaking my language here. I’m almost 69 and have enjoyed my BMW 1150 gs for the last 6 years. Been on a few longer trips and a lot of local ones too. I love the bike but it is HEAVY and not an easy one to lift if I drop it.
So I’m in the same boat as you. I have ridden a Honda 500 and loved it. The others you have listed are interesting and I’m looking forward to your final choice. Enjoy the rides you get to take. I live in a similar type area up here in SW Washington.
I understand all your criteria, and often think about it as my Yamaha 600e is not a spring chicken, but just cannot find a bike that suits me better. Nothing new coming out that has been able to convince me, so sticking with what is working for me.
I enjoy watching your videos and like your style, keep it up. I just ordered a new KTM 390 Adv (2023) for my first ever motorcycle (I'm 57). It's funny, I've had the opposite thoughts, that the 390 might be too small and I might outgrow it. I'm 6'2" with 34" inseam so I think it will be perfect for me. One point of clarification on your comparison chart... the KTM has tubes for 2023, despite the addition of spoked wheels. Last year they were tubeless.
Tubeless tires are a must have for me as well. It’s one reason I am holding off purchasing a Triumph T120. Yes, the rims and tires can be changed to tubeless but the cost is exorbitant. Be safe brother!
I too am over 70, and have downsized my road bike for exactly the same reason - weight! I also bought an off road bike - the BMW G310 GS and fitted it with some Rally raid items. It is easy for me to pick up, even fully loaded with camping gets, extra fuel and water. It has gone everywhere that ai have been brave enough to venture (and that includes some very gnarly tracks). My wife has one the same, and we have done around 25,000 kms on them with no problems at all. They sip fuel, do everything we want and have tubeless tyres (since fitting the Rally Raid wheels). We are planning to keep them until we can’t swing a leg over them! All the best from New Zealand. Our RUclips channel has some videos of them and how we have them setup.
I just watched this video. I have watched a number of your others. I am 72 years old and for the road I ride my Harley softail heritage classic. I know it's not an "adventure bike" but I was one of the first to get a Honda CRF300L (not the rally). I am about 5'6" and small and love the Honda. It can hold all the camping gear I could ever need (thanks to Nelson Riggs gear). I have a roto pack, MSR 30oz bottles, and paniers that have a gas tank under on the tool box side. I know it has tubes but they make tubes that are pretty much puncture proof or of course you can convert to tubeless. I did put a lowering link on mine and had a place in Medford shave the seat some. I did think about the Rally version but decided on the lighter L and have been more than happy with it. Again, I have seen a number of your videos. I don't think you live too far from my area in the very north eastern part of California. The only ones I ever let service my Harley are in Medford -Thunderstruck - The guys there are fantastic
Thanks for the thoughtful commentary. I agree that you might want to take a look at the new and improved Himalayan, which is supposed to be a lighter and more powerful 450 or the new Triumph 400 Scrambler. Good luck in your search. BTW, I’m 76 and still riding.
Honest and informative video, thanks 🙏. You should testride the bikes on your list and go from there. Personally I would pick the Honda cb500x for the type of riding you want to do. Ride Save 😊👍
Very good comparison Sir
Great video: I just sold off my 2022 CB500x because of it being so heavy. It's a gem of a bike, but with crash bars, and a skid you are at the exact weight of the tenere. Although, it does carry its weight lower, but it is more of a road bike. I am currently looking at the 300 singles as I ride for enjoyment, and that means all smaller roads an no highway.
I am sure others have mentioned it, but on your sheet you had the KTM and Honda CRF-Rally as having tubeless wheels, but they are tubed. Unfortunately, we won't be seeing tubeless spoked wheels on small-bore adv bikes anytime soon I predict.
I went with the 2023 KTM 390 because of the spoked wheels and they are tubeless, that's a bonus. I really enjoy the way this bike rides.
Interesting video even for a 30 year old like myself. Lots of respect sir, I just subscribed. All these reasons you have pointed out are the reason I went with a TW200 but I can understand why you didnt even consider it haha. It's no street bike and it's kinda small.
I cant understand why Yamaha doesn't make a TW400 or TW450? It would out sell the T700!
Definitely the BMW and the KTM are the best options. They are surprisingly larger in real life than you think. Actually there's little difference in size between the 310gs and the 750gs. I like the 310. Also Rally raid makes a whole line of suspension upgrades and spoke wheel upgrade.
The KTM is just a notch better equipped from the dealer, but I believe the seating position might be a tad more snug than the BMW.
Happy bike shopping!😊
Hi Bruce,
I really appreciate your videos! I went through a similar process l, complete with spreadsheet , LOL, and looked at most of the bikes on your list. I sat on the KTM and wasn’t that impressed with the build quality. Also, there seem to be quality problems with KTM that I read about online. It came down to the Honda and the small BMW. I used to own a K75 but it had electronics issues. I’ve never been impressed with German electronics Anyway, I decided to go with reliability and I ended up with the Honda CB500X. Well, I just got back from a week long trip from Boston to Cape Breton Island and back (around 1900 mi) The bike was fully loaded out with camping gear and the Mosko Reckless 80 luggage. Have to say the bike performed like a champ and was pretty comfortable in all conditions. I am 63 y.o. and about 5’-9”. Like you I have balance issues at stops, especially on uneven roadside surfaces, etc. Well, on this trip I did lay it down once, I was stopping on the roadside to check directions near a camping area. There was a small swale that I didn’t see and I laid it down. This was at the end of a full day of riding and I was tired and of course the bike was down and the wheels were further uphill. In short ,I could not lift it, even after taking off some of the luggage. Luckily, a nice guy stopped by and helped me lift it, but thank god I wasn’t alone. So, now I realize I’m really going to need to buy one of those lift systems and make sure I have it with me when I’m riding alone. All in all the CB500X is a great machine. It can go 65-70 on the interstate if needed and it’s perfect for the back roads and Forest Service Roads. The only downside I see is the weight issue. One other thing, the existing windscreen causes buffeting so I replaced it with the WRS Caponord which is great for a rider of my height.
Best,
Peter
Great video looking great for your age i just got the new suzuki v Strom DE 800 and the suzuki v Strom sx250 and really enjoying the little 250 had a Yamaha xt250 what a great bike have a look at that
Cheers from new Zealand 🇳🇿
I'm in my mid 60s and, in the past 5 years, I've owned or ridden a lot of the bikes on your list. The Versys 300 is a really good bike - among the best of the 7 you're considering. But, it revs very high and runs pretty hot. That was an issue for me in the the deserts of So Cal. I think the small BMW and KTM ADVs will disappoint you. I had a 390 and was less than impressed. The CB500X (great bike if upgraded at significant expense) and Enfield are too heavy per your specs (and mine). For the last year I've been riding an Aprilia Tuareg 660. It is by far the best ADV I've thrown a leg over. It's lighter, smarter and more comfortable than the T7 - and it has tubeless tires! That said, if I'm riding alone - as I often do - I hop on my KLX 300. And, if I could keep only one bike it would be the Kawasaki. Don't be too quick to dismiss the 300cc dual sports from Honda and Kawasaki. They might surprise you. I've owned both the CRF and the KLX. I prefer the KLX because its suspension is superior to the Honda's - at least for my 6' 2", 175 lbs frame. Good luck.
I'm 72 and just bought a Tuareg 660. It is a bit tall for me, but that can be fixed. I'm glad to hear positive reports about it. I was considering the CRF and KLX, but the Tuareg 660 checks more boxes, except for ultimate nimbleness, in comparison.
Having done a test ride on one this year, my opinion of the Tenere is that if you don't *need* the ground clearance the bike offers, it isn't the bike for you. Im 6'2 and I'd be more confident taking heavier, lower bikes off-road because I can at least get my feet planted! Since you mentioned liking the Honda CL350 back in the day I reckon you should give the new CL500 a try.
Great spreadsheet. I might have added air cooling as a favorable feature although there are fewer bikes with it and most are more dual-sport than adv. Just one less thing to worry about when out in the woods.
I’d really like to suggest the DR650 as well. It’s a great platform for building the bike you want. I have an African Twin I love but have all the issues you have with the T-7. So my research lead me to the DR650. I love that it’s carbonated. It’s such an amazing yet basic bike.
Hi Bruce! Great evaluation of your wants and needs! I’m your 75yo neighbor in Bend. I’ve been riding since I was 16. Honda Cubs to BMW GS1200 and back down in weight and displacement to my present KTM 390 Adventure. Tics most of the boxes on your list and is capable of far more than my aging body can endure. One caveat; if you stand on the pegs on dirt or even just to stretch your legs you’ll have to invest in aftermarket foot pegs that are “level.” The factory pegs are tilted drastically forward which stands (ha-ha) to reason given its Duke 390 predecessor; a dedicated street bike. I can get you the name of the foot peg manufacturer if you go this route…
Seeing all your considerations I would vote for the KTM 390 adventure.
I currently own a T7 and enjoyed immensely the test ride I took on the KTM
I think it ticks most of your preferences on the nose 🍻🍻
Hey, gotta say thank you for this video. You’ve done my thinking for me! There must be many many guys (and a few gals) in the same boat. Thought ADV riding looked exciting, went out and bought a 500lb machine, and are now questioning the wisdom of being out solo in the middle of nowhere with a machine that’s extremely difficult (and perhaps in some circumstances impossible) to pick up! I definitely appreciate your color coded spreadsheet, I would have added the DR650 from Suzuki and the 450 Honda that Ben (Dork in the Road) rides. But at the end of the day, despite what others have said, image is really important, as important as the stats. Which bike will get you excited to go for a ride every time you see it? Perhaps the weight and lack of power aren’t big enough obstacles to stop you from getting the Royal Himalayan? (You already have the winch!) Maybe the cachet of the BMW rondel will add a shot of pride and confidence as you throw your leg over the seat? I know I for one am not excited by smaller dual sport bikes that I would prefer to haul 100 miles to the start of the dirt ride rather than ride there. I also know I want a bike that will do 80 on the highway for hours, be fun on an all day romp through twisty mountain roads, and carry me over gravel and dirt roads and across the Sandy washes and two tracks… guess I need that winch😂!
I am in the same boat as you are; I have been riding a BMW R1200 GSA and love it except for weight. I have ridden it all over the world in everything you can think of and can pick it up but its heavy. I have looked at the mid sized adventure bikes but the trade offs to date have kept me with my GSA. 50-70 lb savings are not enough to give up the tractor features of the GSA. I had a couple of trail mc’s that I sold and added/replaced with the BMW310GS. It is a respectable little MC but it is not a GSA or Tenure. Unless the bike is very light weight the 350-400 lb bikes are still heavy if they pin you to the ground if they fall on you. I know, I got caught under the 310 with my ankle pinned in the desert earlier this year and it took a bit of work to self extract myself when you can’t lever off anything. They aren’t a light weight trail Honda or KTM. Getting a light weight reasonably powerful mc that has the features you want and like is hard. I have 2 mc’s, the heavy weight I love and the light weight that is not the heavy weight but is respectable and I can carry it on the back of my motorhome. I’d love to just have one mc that behaved like the heavy weight. I am yet to find it. Keep the Tenure and enjoy it; I don’t think the 50-75 lbs savings will give you what you will miss in the Tenure from the power loss on the pavement. (I am 67)
My wife has a 2022 CB500x and likes it immensely. She graduated from the G310GS and it was a significant improvement in handling, ergonomics (she’s 6’ tall) and power. She has over 11,000 miles on it now and wouldn’t dream of selling it. It may be on the heavier end of the bikes your considering but with the right technique she can lift it. (She’s 62 and not an athlete but can manage this bike quite well) The newest CB500x has even improved the spec with a better fork, dual disc braking, etc. And the price is right. Can’t wait to hear what you get. 👍
At 77 years, 6.1" with 31inch inside leg. I've owned and ridden lots of big adventure bikes over the years. But like yourself, three years ago, I decided to down size from my Multi Strada. My riding here in the UK is 70/ 30 Road and trail. I bought a CB 500X and added bars , heated grips and luggage.. Best move ever for me, the bike is fun to ride on road and trail. Comfortable, long distances loaded with gear not a problem, with excellent mpg. Don't really miss the big cubes on Ducati except on motorways, which I try to avoid.. Would highly recommend you try one out. The new model now has improved braking and suspension and would be a big plus....The few extra pounds in weight over the other options should not be a deal breaker. If you really want spoked wheels, "Rally Raid" can supply along with good luggage and other accessories. Given the price of the Honda with any extras, it would still be a lot cheaper than the cost of a new T7.....Happy shopping 😊
I am 65 retired with similar riding experience as you. I own a KTM 390 in the Philippines (where I spend half the year) and an Aprilia Taureg 660 in the US for BDR type rides. I have had a steep learning curve off road on the Tuareg, broken bones and such but I am younger than you and finally getting it down. I came very close to getting the T-7 before I bought the Tuareg and I sat on one at a dealership. The T-7 felt very tall to me, but that didn't really matter because I am 6'3". To the point: You will love the 390, no question, it is so much easier to maintain your balance after a big bike like the T7. Mine came with alloy wheels and no tubes but the US version may come with spokes and tubes. The engine is the balls, so much fun but not scary powerful. I think the American one has better tech than mine too, an added plus for you to have adjustable front shocks and a traction control button. Any way best of luck and stay safe.
Thanks for this video
Nerd Fest spreadsheets are a great tool for narrowing down the choices. In my case, I won't buy another bike without a 20+ mile test ride. Most dealerships and private sellers here in the Midwest are okay with an extended test ride on used motorcycles. Specs on paper are one thing, but they don't tell you how big a smile the ride will bring.
I enjoyed the video and the process you used to narrow down the field.
If you want to relive the feeling you had when you started, I strongly suggest you try a TW200 for a couples of rides, specialy if you lean more on the of road riding side.
Those lillte TDubs are amazing!
Great video! I am 74 and have owned over 100 motorcycles, raced motocross for decades until 2 years ago. Triumph, BSA, Ducati, BMW, Aprilia, Moto Guzzi, KTM, all japanese brands, all types of use. I had to downsize for same reasons , and now own a 2018 BMW G310R, just prior to this I rode a KTM Duke 690. I live and ride on dirt roads in Vermont but this used bike was too good of a deal to pass up. Even though it is more road oriented, it has proven to be entirely satisfactory with different tires, except in one category which I have been able to adapt to. It has enough power without question but the type of power might be an issue for some. It has very low flywheel inertia so can stall suddenly if the rpm is not brought up to 2000rpm when starting off. The clutch is very smooth and progressive so easy to control. Once familiar to this it is easy to ride anywhere and the low speed torque is very strong and smooth to modulate. It gets 70 mpg and steers with precision. I imagine that the GS version would be very near perfect for your use. I would purchase the KTM 390 if I had not been presented with such a good deal on this BMW. I believe that the KTM 390 would be the best choice for your use, but the higher seat height for me would be a negative being 5ft 7in.
Additions by me! The BMW engine is tuned for high rpm power unlike the KTM which is a larger engine tuned for more low and midrange torque still with high end power. The BMW does not have suspension well suited for off road use either. What I have learned is that what ever bike you have , there will always be a good reason to get the next motorcycle. The1999 Aprilia RSV Mille is the most enjoyed motorcycle that I have ever owned.
You should also add to your list new Honda Scrambler. It can do highway speeds and light off roading, Not a clunker also not too heavy. I think you’ll love it.
I feel you have made many valid points. A few will require a unicorn motorcycle to fulfill but going to a smaller displacement motorcycle will solve some issues with the T7 you had.
Personally, I wouldn't bother going tubeless if you are going off-road. You are just as likely to bend a rim or tear out a tire sidewall as you are getting a nail/screw. Inevitably, you'll want a tube and all associated tools along anyway. Anything smaller in displacement is going to have tube tires unless you get something that has cast alloy rims....which aren't good for off road.
In regards to seat height, for dual sport motorcycles, if you plan on going off road, the only motorcycle with a lower seat would potentially be a Yamaha XT250.
Hi, those are some tough choices. I’m 62 and Disabled, and I ride a BMW R1200GS. Mainly because it’s so comfortable, and it also doesn’t fall flat. When it does fall it’s probably around a 35 degree angle off the ground, maybe more. I’m actually thing about downsizing also. I’ll definitely look at your List also, and probably wait and see which one you pick. The biggest things for me is Comfort, and being able to go Off Road Camping. Thanks for this Video, can’t wait for the next one.👍👍
I jus went through the same analysis myself. Ended up with a 2022 RE Himalayan. Found a loaded model with low miles in my area. So far I really like it, but the power (Or lack of) is noticeable.
My son at 5' 9" just bought a KTM 390. He really likes the bike and I at 5; 11" and 275 lbs. didn't feel cramped on the bike and it's a whole lot lighter than my 1290 which I'm considering trading down to a 690 or 701for pretty much the same reasons that you are. Good video. Thanks.