A true and honest opinion and riding skills review, that all new riders should watch! Well done Johannes, for your honesty, humility and public announcement!! 👍👍
I’m 65 years old and love adventure, dirt, tarmac, two track, sand! So I definitely get the weight being an issue. I have ridden a Honda CRF 300 rally for two summers now and wouldn’t trade it for the world! Rural 55-60 mph gets me from one trail to the next no problem! I’m glad I watched your video because I really was thinking of the Tenere but the weight is definitely a concern…thanks for sharing
Thanks a lot for sharing Jim, I’m happy to hear the crf300l Rally is serving you well and my video helped you in the decision. A lot has happened since I made this video. I sold the T7 and bought a DRZ and a 701, both 150 kg dual sports. It made a huge difference and I got to learn the basics of offroad riding on more forgiving bikes. Now I’m actually back on a T7 because there’s so much tarmac to cover to get to the trails here where I live. I love the T7 and it isn’t as heavy as I found it with my first ownership. Why? Most likely because I’m a much better rider now after riding the dual sports. And I’m actually looking to add the crf300l to my stable because it’s a great value - a bike that I’d love to make a build series about and ride on the local trails.
Mad props to you for the humility in your judgement. I started riding last year on a Versys 300 and even though I love that little thing I can already tell how it's not suited for serious off-road riding. I was thinking of the T7 for an "upgrade" but after seeing your video I am gravitating more toward a new KLX300 or CRF300L, maybe even a DRZ400. Thank you for your insight.
Hello Ricardo and thank you very much for your kind words! I have not ridden the Versys, but with its 175kg I would imagine its easier/better for basic offroad riding than the T7, unless you’re a very skilled rider. A CRF/KLX/DRZ will be 30kg lighter than the Versys with the same power. I’ve read many people say they improved their offroad riding skills more in a few months on a dual sport, than what they learned with years on an adventure bike. I’m glad I could help my friend. I just bought a DRZ and will make videos with first impressions, offroad riding and compare a dual sport to an adventure bike when I have some experience with the DRZ. Ride safe!
Theres no beating traditional dual sports as long as you dont mind not being able to do long highway trips. I love my v strom, it's not that bad off road with some knobbies, I do mud and sand pretty fine and it's so comfortable.
I solo off road a lot too. Three tools I always have with me are a folding saw, a coil of rope (15m X 3.5mm) and two small rope snatch blocks. I can quickly set up a snatch pull with hundreds of pounds of pull, and it all fits in a small bag/pouch). Thrown over a large limb or secured 3 meters up a tree trunk, and you can easily upright the bike. Tied off (once upright), you can power the bike forward 2-3 meters before the rope starts to hold you back. Then reposition the setup if you need more rope assist. This is not a quick, handy rescue method. This is when you have really tried and failed to upright the bike on your own. Dark is coming and/or weather is going bad.
I switched from a T7 (still in my garage) to a CRF 300 L. I have replaced the suspension front and rear (much better than a T7 or a WR 250 now), modified the ergonomics, added an exhaust system and removed/replaced some part to reduced the weight wherever possible. And I love it - so much more fun on- and off-road… really perfect for the TET and alike. Saying that, the T7 is still my preference for pure long highway rides.
That sounds like an awesome bike! What exactly did you do with the suspension on the CRF? Once it hits the used market in Norway, I will take a closer look at it. My plan is to pick up a slightly used one with the suspension already done, unless I really like my newly aquired DRZ. I would love to keep the T7 for longer highway rides. I’m currently looking for a second bike, pure street for those longer trips down in Europe. Thank you for commenting!
@@JohannesDalenMC Since you didn't get an answer so far, I can at least make suggestions, on what might be a good idea to change, at the suspension. I'm two inches smaller than you and weigh 100kg. Harder spring and shock absorber on the rear! The rear suspension will be too soft for you and the shock absorber isn't up to the task. it's way too soft and will get to its limits the moment when beeing loaded with you and your baggage. it will leave few suspension travel and will bottom out offroad. especially if you plan on riding it just for fun (without baggage) at times and then traveling (with baggage) you will want a rear suspension with adjustable pre-tension. A few hundred Euro and you're good. the front suspension/fork is about okay and mostly just needs to be changed due to personal driving style/preference. I would just ride it for a few km and then decide. For me, the fork needs to be harder and the shock absorber needs to be damping more. If you are a more relaxed driver, you may be satisfied with the original. If you tend to be rather sporty, you might find that the fork compresses too much while breaking hard. I wanna (partially) ride the TET through sweden/norway/finnland in summer 2022. I did think of getting a tenere 700 for that, instead of changing the oil and filter on the crf 300 SIX+ times. Even though I am aware of the problems with mud an lifting the bike a few dozen times, your experience is giving me second thoughts about my choice. How would you describe the trail (as far as you know it) in the summertime? Is it a stupid idea to take a tenere 700 when riding alone?
@@ferdlhofreiter45 Thanks a lot for the feedback Ferdl, sounds like you’ve done your homework! The shock on my brothers 250l is just terrible. If I went with a 300l I would do the same as you, new shock and new internals in the front. Are you enjoying your 300l so far?
@@JohannesDalenMC I jsut wrote a long comment and reloaded the page, so it's gone. I'm being a little shorter now. Overall it's what I expected and I am happy. It's a great weekend ride and will stay for that. It has the expected flaws, but only the suspension wasn't acceptable for me. I didn't ride for 15 years, and had no offroad experience worth mentioning, so I'm not the first choice to evaluate the offroad capability. So far I didn't wish for more power offroad, even though I am thrashing it fairly well. I just got not quite technical terrain though. No sand, no boulders. On tarmac, it's okay, but I'm not sure, if I wanted to do my planned 4-7000km trip on it. I'm planning to (partially) do the scandinavian TET in summer 2022 and am not sure, if I could accept to take the 300. Mostly because my trip will involve quite a bit tarmac country roads and highways, and because of oil/filter changes every 1000km. Right now I'm looking into a very well offroad capable bike, that' available in germany. Since quite a few bikes aren't available in germany, I'm drawn to the KTM 690 Enduro R or the Tenere. Could I ask your opinion on the scandinavian TET in the summertime? Would you not go there anymore on a 180-200 kg bike alone? Or would you be okay with it and just compromise on certain parts? I know how much trouble a Tenere could be, yet I feel drawn towards that., and I feel drawn to stay on the TET for as long as possible.
@@ferdlhofreiter45 Thanks for sharing, appreciate that. A lot to cover here, so I’ll try to be a bit short and precise: Is the oil/filter change on the crf300l 1000km? Or was that a typo and you ment 10.000? The 450l is 1000, but that is pretty much a race bike. When it comes to TET, I have only ridden in Norway, but I think for at least Norway and Sweden, the difficulty is around the same. 9/10 times it would be okay with a Tenere 700 / 200kg adventure bike for most people. But, the one time you do drop your bike and can’t get out, it will ruin the whole trip and it can be dangerous. There are a few remote places on the Norwegian TET, but you’re never that far from help. I think the Swedish TET is even more remote. People are riding TET here in the north with a GSA1250, so it’s doable. Everyone has a different approach to how much risk they are willing to take, and I can only speak for myself - I’m not taking a 200kg bike on a TET trip more times. I would rather have a 300L than a T7. The T7 is a fantastic bike, and would work well if you know its limitations. But I did know it’s limitations, yet was I caught out in difficult situations many times - and I consider myself a very defensive rider. I just bought a 2021 Husqvarna 701 enduro so the highway stints between the TETs will be more confortable, yet I have a bike that is very capable offroad. If you want company, I’ll join you on the norwegian TET this summer 🙂
I came from a Africa Twin to Husqvarna 701...I have to say I made the right choice. Give it a try...it's not as comfortable as an Adventure bike but it's super capable off road and a featherweight compared to a twin
Thanks a lot for your comment Dan! I can absolutely imagine that it was a step in the offroad direction, for sure! I’m most likely not going to buy the 701 to begin with, at least not yet, mainly because of price, but I am looking at dual sports in the same category weight wise. Its reassuring to hear that you’re happy with your choice. I have test ridden the 701 and man the power, its crazy! Haha
I am another happy 701 owner. I have a Husqvarna FE350 which I use less than the 701 even in single track. You're a big lad, Johannes, the 140kg is no problem for me, 90kg and 183cm tall, long time ago power lifter too. For TET rides long oil change gaps, cush drive, pleasant road manners all make the 701 a good choice for me, but I've got stuck too.
@@TheIdlesurfer Nice to see hear from a fellow lifter Andrew! If/when I think its time to replace the DRZ, the 701 enduro is definitely something I will take a closer look at. How long have you had it for and has there been any issues?
Great honest evaluation of the situation you find yourself in. I am 61 years old and have ridden bikes for over 40 years, off road and on and find the same problem with my T7, it is great in most situations but you definitely notice the weight, but thankfully I am over the single track stuff. If I do go ride more off road I will ride my DR 650, still heavy but 40 Kg lighter than my T7, and I feel more confident on it. I have heard and read many things that ADV riders prefer more powerful, more comfortable bikes for long trips but I will put up with a less powerful, less comfortable bike on the road just to save me from being stuck somewhere dripping with sweat and exhausted from trying to get some 250 Kg behemoth out of a rut or stuck on the side of a hill.
Thank you for the comment sir. I couldn’t agree more, after being stuck many times. I’ll happily give up road performance and comfort for a lighter, easier and more offroad capable bike. Ride safe!
You're an excellent presenter Johannes, this was a brilliant blend of statement/question & assertive/reflective, that combined with your openness and honesty makes you very engaging. Would really like to hear about the new 701.
Thank you very much for the kind words, I appreciate that! I just released a new video about the 701 after 1000km. Have around 3000km now after an amazing event in Sweden, and man what an excellent machine. Couldn’t be happier!
Johannes just found your channel. Consider Honda XR650L @ 340 pounds it's on the heavy side, cheap, uses a carb, been around a long time. KLX, CRF and WRR are close to 300 pounds so pretty heavy for a 250. Even CRF450 is 290 pounds and is very expensive, and has the maintenance schedule of a KTM. KTM will be in the 240 pound range and also expensive but will hold it's value better when you go to sell it, they're always in demand. Suzuki DRZ400 is 320 pounds, a good reliable bike. If you want a lighter bike, go with a KTM but find a 2017 or so with the ability to add a kickstart if your worried about a dead battery in the wilderness. The newer KTMs lost the ability to add a kickstarter. So, considerations are: How light a bike do you want, Carb/fuel injection, cost per cc, reliability, ability to carry weight on the back, appropriate power for your skill level, height of the bike, maintenance schedule, electric start, range/mileage, dirt/street bias, and such. Good luck sir.
Hello Scott and thank you very much for an excellent comment- gonna pin this one so people in the same situation can use this as a guide. Just yesterday a guy commented how much good information there was in the comment section of this video! I have already bought a used DRZ, and comparing my purchase with the points you’ve made with your comment, I am sure I made the right decision! Likewise, ride safe my friend!
Happy to hear Patrick - I’m actually back on a T7 now after practicing my offroad skills on a smaller dual sport for over a year. All explained in my recent videos. Good luck on yours too and ride safe 😊
I own a T7 and a Xt250, I am 5 foot 8 inches (175cm) tall only 145 pounds (66kg). I've layed the T7 over 2 times when I was riding solo. The bike isn't that heavy to get back up. But it is heavy for technical riding. My 250 doesn't dictate where I go like the T7. But the T7 is so nice on the roads that I can't let it go. I think I will keep the T7 for light offroad and touring duties. And I will always keep a light weight dual sport for technical riding....the problem is... I need more power for the lighter dual sport now that it feels so slow after riding the T7!
Thanks for your comment Shaun! I agree, picking up the T7 is doable, but its very heavy if its on an incline, in mud or between two trees 😅 If the XT250 doesn’t have enough power, which dual sport do you think would be the one for you? I would really like to keep the T7 for touring, but there are so many cheaper options out there if I’m only touring on it (street bike), so I do see myself getting a light DS and in the near future, a cheap commuter/tourer.
@@JohannesDalenMC I like the new Kawasaki KLX 300, and the old Wr250r as well. Even looked at the KTM and Husky 350. I really like the Husky but don't know if I want the high maintenance...though it would be a lot of fun on the trails. Hoping yamaha releases a new 250 to 350cc dual sport soon now that the Wr250r is discontinued in the USA. My old 2009 xt250 has been 100 percent reliable, so i would like to stick with a made in japan bike.
@@shaunoftheguads If the KLX300S would have been available in Norway I’d pick it up new. I like it over the CRF300L because of the better suspension. If Yamaha releases a competent WR350R it would sell like hot bread, as long as it wasn’t too expensive. The WR250R in Norway used is almost the same price as a slightly used EXC500 😅 I too am going for a Japanese to begin with, just for the peace of mind.
I have a 2019 Africa Twin. Incredible machine, but when it’s paid off I’ll be trading it for a CRF300L Rally. Also, you kind of look like Charlie Hunnam.
Hi Rob and thanks for chiming in. Sounds like we’re both going in the direction of «light is right». The CRF300L sounds like an awesome bike. When it hits the used marked I will seriously consider getting one that already has the all the upgrades :) Haha thats cool, I was a huge SOA fan back in the day when I rode my Harley 😅
Same here. I have a Tiger 900 Rally Pro that I haven’t even ridden since buying a CRF 300 Rally. The 170 pound difference allows you to go places the heavy bikes can’t. The Honda is fine on the highway for a couple hours at a time and 70 mpg gives great range.
I test rode the 701 enduro a month ago. I could definitely see myself picking one up in the future, but they are slightly above my current budget and what I’d like to spend on a motorcycle that I will toss around in the woods and learn on. Do you own one? Thanks for commenting, Chris :)
Gas tank way to small for adventure riding But if it had a bigger tank it would be a keeper , there are after market tanks but pricey, Drz400 are great bikes , nothing fancy but are super reliable and cheap to own , and the best thing is you just don’t get upset picking it up after you drop it, so many parts around for them, just an opinion
@@burt101welly6 Did you know that I already bought a DRZ when posting this comment? And yes, not getting upset when dropping it and breaking something is one of the reasons I bought it!
Thank you so much for all the positive comments and great bike suggestions! I have now bought my next bike, a mint DRZ: ruclips.net/video/S3ANsWvixTg/видео.html This bike seems to get the job done as a starter dual sporter. I wish you all a great day and please ride safe! Johannes
We cannot all be Pol Tarres... My first ADV bike was also a 650 V-Strom, and I caught the same bug as you. I traded my V-Strom in for a WR250R. I am almost 60 years old, 1.77m tall, 87kgs of office worker body, and low skilled. When we go out, I am the guy that picks his bike up twice an hour. I love my WR, but you are too big for it if you do any road riding at all. Enjoy the DRZ!
@@davidc1961utube Hello David and thank you very much for commenting! The WRR is a great bike. So is the unkillable V-Strom, but its a tourer. Ride safe my friend!
I agree the DRZ400 is small enough to wrestle with in difficult terrain, yet big enough to go on the road. With aggressive tires it should take you anywhere, though the fuel tank is not very large.
@@paulh6591 Thats reassuring to hear, Paul! The bike came with a 17L safaritank, so the fuel issue is sorted. More aggressive tires are coming on tomorrow, finally got the rim locks in the mail.
I’m 36 years old and have ridden motorcycles since I was 19. I never did get into off-road or trail riding. The extent of off-road experience is on 4 wheels. My riding level is fairly accomplished. I have been looking at getting a dual sport to fulfill my ORV and motorcycle needs. I have done a lot of thinking about it and too realized my need for a smaller displacement, lighter motorcycle for learning the technical side of trail riding. I appreciate your honest reflection of your abilities. It further reinforces the fact that regardless of time spent in the saddle, when tackling a new approach to the sport you need to take a step back. We can all run, but running on ice is very different. The Honda CRF300L Rally is my ideal bike, however struggle with paying retail cost for something I may never enjoy as much as tarmac riding. I look forward to seeing you progress as a rider. Keep posting I’ll keep watching.
Good day Kcmoto and thank you for commenting! You said it in a simple yet beautiful way. We all need to evaluate our skill level, what we want to accomplish and what tools we need to master the skill. I tried to run on ice before I learned how to run by taking a 200kg monster offroad. The CRF300L/Rally seems to be a really good bike, but personally I wouldn’t buy it new. If you’re not sure if its for you I would buy a used bike. That way you don’t have to deal with the initial loss from buying new, and you can sell with little to no loss if you dont like it. Thanks for sticking around and ride safe my friend!
@@enhancdreality If I could pick without paying, it would have been the 701 or the PR7. The DRZ I chose is one third of the price of both, and that makes it a lot easier for me to try new stuff in the woods, crash the bike, tip it over without worrying etc. To me that is very valuable as a learner. Thank you for chiming in!
@@JohannesDalenMC I wanted the 2021 model of the PR7 but they aren't available in Australia. I completely understand about the price. My bike is very expensive and it's painful to think about crashing it
Ex owner of wr250r, 690's, klr and 500 chiming in. I still own my 500 but I wanted to try a bigger adv bike to see if I was missing out on something, so like many peoples who watched pol tares vids, I went for a t7 lol. My verdict : I agree 100% with you. Fantastic adv bike, but thats about it. I won't sell my 500 anytime soon, and If I was you, I would look for a 690. Wr250r and DRZ are great and all, but you will miss some power. 690's are heavy, but manageable everytime, unlike the T7...
Thank you so much for the comment, Phil. I’m glad we both agree that the T7 is a fantastic bike, but also a heavy one if you want to explore more offroad than gravel roads. I’ve had the EXC500 recommended many times, and theres plenty of people putting on a cush drive hub and riding them around the world. I could see myself getting one in the future, but I think a DRZ or WRR is a cheaper, easier first step going from ADV riding to dual sporting, don’t you agree? If you could give me a quick write up on DRZ vs WRR since you’ve owned both I would be very thankful!
Wr vs DRZ, it depend... on the highway, the Z really lack a 6th gear, and start to be an outdated bike also. The WR is better everywhere else but lack the torque of the DRZ.. Thats the reason why I would suggest something a bit bigger, given your size, and by the fact that you already got used to a 200kg beast. The 500 is a weapon but its on the other end of the spectrum, too radical for a lot of people. 690's or those newer honda's 300 would be the ticket for you, I believe...
@@phil2ride312 Thanks a lot again! I’ve given the new crf300l a good look. My brother owns a crf250l rally. Out of the box I will have to upgrade the suspension, that bike is soft. Can’t get my hands on the klx300s in Norway, that has better suspension. Have you ridden the new crf300l?
@@phil2ride312 Don’t have to go full Ohlins on it, I guess stiffer springs will do plenty for someone of my skill level. But, the crf300l new is only slightly cheaper than a used 450exc. Can get my hands on a barely used one for just 20% more than the crf. Decisions decisions :)
DO NOT GET A WR250R!!! YOU ARE WAY TO BIG AND HEAVY FOR IT. What you need to look at is a 400cc range. WR or YZ from Yamaha or the CRFs of Honda. The issue with the Huskys and the KTMs is that they are not reliable at all. You don't want to exchange being stuck because of weight for 6 hours with being stuck in the middle of nowhere for 12 hours becauae of a malfunction. You are also very right with the cost. Any bike you take on REAL adventure would get messed up, and there is absolutely no justification for doing it to a $10k bike. The right way to go is get 2 cheap and reliable bikes for light adventure and harder adventure/off-roading. I have a 2003 BMW Dakar - fantastic for adventure and medium off road ($3500) very reliable. And an xr400r for off road/hard adventure ($2000). Even 400 might be a bit too small for you. Someone like you might feel like it's a kiddy bike. If that is the case go for the XR650L. It has electric start and it's powerful but nimble. Don't let anyone tell you stories about how it's a pig and can't move. I'm 5'7" and I did all the hard adventure and Enduro that you can imagine on it (when I was new for motorcycling). Get 2 bikes and you will have lots of change from your T7... Good luck.
Good day Ozi and thank you for the comment. You make a lot of very good points and I agree with everything you say. I want a reliable bike, and I want it to be light. I also want it to be cheap so I dont get "upset" when things break when I drop it in the woods, on rocks etc. Many people suggest PR7 or the Husky 701- both very good bikes, but also as costly as the T7. For the money I got on selling the T7, I have purchased a barely used DRZ400, and Im in the market for another bike, mainly for road use. Good luck to you too and ride safe my friend!
I appreciate your humble feedback on the T7. I got a Drz400s as my first bike last year and have been using it to explore trails and some technical off road club trails, but it's also just (barely) big enough to zip on the highway to work. The DRZ has been very forgiving for me to learn on. I keep thinking about the T7 for my next bike, but like you, I have also gotten into some sticky situations out in the wilderness on my own, and I was barely able to get my bike unstuck. I know that if I had a heavier bike like the T7, I would have had to call help to get out. So it's pushing me more toward bikes like a husky701, or beta500.
Hello Russell and thank you for sharing your experience! I’m glad to hear the DRZ has been serving you well - if you enjoy trail riding and offroad riding I would rather buy something like the 701/690 instead of the T7. The T7 is a lot better on the highway though, so it depends on what kind of riding you want to do. How about buying a second bike that will do commuting and highway riding better than the DRZ, and use the DRZ for trail riding? That’s what I’m doing, as I found the T7 to be too much of a compromise in both trail riding and highway riding. A DRZ and a used V Strom does everything better than one bike, and is also cheaper. Are you not happy with the DRZ since you’re thinking about upgrading it?
@@JohannesDalenMC Thanks for the reply. Multiple bikes would be nice, but with my current lifestyle/budget I like the appeal of compromising on a dual sport. The drz has been a pleasure, but I think I'm driven by a curiosity to try other "modern" dual sports since the Drz is the only bike I have experience with so far. Feeling slightly limited by no 6th gear when I need to ride 30-60 mins to get to fun new trails.
@@Mazer0600 I absolutely understand. It sounds like you should take a closer look at the 701, I’ve heard many good things about it! A sixth gear would have been very nice on the DRZ. I have geared mine down so anything over 80kmh is a no go. Keep me posted on what you’ll end up buying. If you buy during the off season you might get a good deal on a slightly used 701.
Great review my friend!! I bought a T7 a few months ago. I’m 5’6” 165 lbs. so last weekend I dropped it for the second time but this time I was alone. Just couldn’t pick it up on my own after some time a guy pulled over to help me. Learning how heavy it is the hard way. Greetings from Argentina 🇦🇷!! Thanks for sharing this video!!
Thanks Christian! Yes, it can be a handful at times, and it’s very important to be mindful where you’re riding, so you don’t end up completely alone far away from any help. When I ride alone on my new T7, I’m much more careful of where I ride and what I attempt to do. Stay safe brother, and thanks for the greetings. Congrats on the world cup 😁
@@JohannesDalenMC thank you Johannes for replying and for Messi!! I’ve noticed you take the time to respond to most if not all the comment people leave you. You are very thoughtful my friend. Looks like you are a very nice person!! Have fun and keep on riding!!!
Hello Johannes, I stood for the same decision as you a. I was strugeling with the decision purchasing a Tenere 700. Besides I´m convinced that the new Tenere is an awesome bike i decided to buy a XT 660 R instead. With a few mods it weights around 175kg wet. That 25 kilo less and the fact that it is a 1/3 the price in Germany decided it for me I had a WR 250 R for 2,5 years and i rode around 15.000 kilometers. I have done 3 major trips mostly offroad. I learned offroad riding with it, and for me it is despite my not so big experience the best offroad bike i ever rode. The Power was offroad more than enough and the Suspension was way better than necessery for me. It gave me the confidence to explore wherever i wanted to go. When there is trail i had the feeling i can ride it. I only sold it because the lack of torque was anoying over time. The engine is reliable but quite revy as you would expect from a 250 i hope my experience could help you a little. Best regards from Germny
Guten abend mein freund! I think you made the best decision buying the xt660r instead of the T7. 25 kg is actually a huge difference and the money you saved can be used for gas. The T7 is a fine machine, but it is not 60% better than the xt660r, thats for sure! Thank you for sharing your experience with the WRR- It assures me I’ve made the right choice buying the DRZ400 for my kind of riding. Ride safe my friend, greetings from Norway.
Johannes, pretty much the same thinking as far as my own experience (2001 BMW F650 Dakar). If I would make a choice right now, I would consider KTM 690 Enduro R 2021.
Hello Przemek and thanks for commenting! The 690/701 seems like such awesome machines. I have considered those, but as this is a test phase for me, to see if the dual sport is something I want to continue with, I went with a much cheaper used DRZ. If I happen to like it, the bike you mention might very well be my next bike. Ride safe my friend!
690 enduro/Husqvarna 701 was on my list too, but after reading many bad experiences with the reliability of those, I went for Honda CRF250 Rally. Bad reliability is the other thing which will leave you stranded. Lower power also helps with handling as a new rider.
This is a major point that most people need to hear but too many owners done say either due to using them mostly on road as you say or thinking a light gravel road is "offroad use"
Thank you for commenting Jay. I agree, I think there’s a lot of guys out there riding their big adv bikes, without knowing how heavy the bike really is when things get ugly. Then again, most of these bikes are used for touring, which is prefectly fine as well. The word ‘adventure’ has different meaning to different people. Ride safe my friend!
@@JohannesDalenMC I didn't mean to denigrate anyone for their form of offroad but when you look at marketing videos like the one done by pol terres and then you hear reviews some people may get the wrong impression.
@@jaybosher6144 I’m with you. The marketing done by the manufacturers these days are very effective: Pol Tarres, Chris Birch etc. I fell for it and learned the hard way, definitely!
If you can get one a DR 650 light reliable and cheap or its little brother the drz 400... I bought a 650 to do the BDR's here in the states for the exact reason you are selling your T7 .. jmo
Thanks a lot for your comment. I actually test rode a DRZ400 today, and I liked it. It was a lot less refined than my T7 (obviously), but it was so light I could pick it up under my arm 😅
@@212driller Good day sir and thanks for your comment. I have never ridden the mighty DR, but I’m sure its awesome! I actually bought its little brother intented for the same use :)
A very good suggestion and a bike that I’ve been interested in - but as you say the high maintenance is a big downfall. I have a DRZ and a 701 enduro now, looking for that ultimate unicorn 😁 Happy new years my friend!
Dude!! I really appreciate your honesty & humility in this video. It took a lot of guts to tell this story & I agree with your sentiments 100%. I'm a newish rider and currently own a 2019 XT250 and an R3; I love them both. The T7 to me, or the "idea" of a T7 was awesome til I finally threw a leg over one at my local dealership. You could feel that weight bro, plus i was tippy toeing it too lol and I'm no scrawny guy (i don't think) 5'9" 200 pounds BUT yeah I wouldn't want to wrestle that thing on my own in the middle of nowhere as the sun is setting lol. ALOT of people feel the same way you do. Be patient and hold off on your next purchase as Yamaha "should" be unveiling a "mini tenere" with the 321cc parallel twin from the R3 but in a ADV package. The WR250R is no more (discontinued) and something similar or better is bound to replace it soon...
Good day my friend and thank you for the kind words! The T7 is too heavy, but I think Yamaha knew that most of the people will use it as a tourer, with the occasional hard packed gravel road, to which I think is a very good bike. But as you say, if you drop it, which you eventually will offroad, its a top heavy bike to pick up. I’ve already purchased my next bike, a DRZ400, and I’ll explain why in further detail in a future video, but one of the reasons is because it holds its worth well in the used marked and I got a great deal on this one i absolutely mint condition. So when Yamaha brings out a tenere 300 (I’ve too heard this rumor, from a Yamaha dealer) or a new WRR, I won’t lose much money on the DRZ. But that can take a few years, and I’m never buying a brand new motorcycle again as I’ve experienced how much you’ll lose with the T7 and all the upgrades. Ride safe!
Any of the other motorcycle brands close to the Yamaha 700 cc are weight 10 to 30 pounds different. Is not the bike is what your need are? You can get a150cc maybe ride over that mud but can you take it on a 500 miles Trip?
I love your humble approach and your honesty, and yes, you have made the right decision, lighter bikes are ideal for offroad, even e-mountain bikes that are 25kg are better than any Teneré 700 offroad, try as many bikes as you can and find the one that suits you. I wish you the best of luck motorcycle Viking , and remember to have fun!
Hello Daniel and thanks a lot for the kind words! I’ve been test riding a few here and there, and quite sure which my next bike will be- it will be at least 60kg lighter than the T7, I can tell you that :D May I ask what kind of bike(s) you ride? Ride safe my friend!
@@istayanonanon1819 Absolutely, its a bike I would love to own one day! I ultimately found them a bit too pricey and ‘too capable’ for my current skill level. I went with a DRZ and I still have money left for a street bike for commuting and highway rides. Do you own one?
Hey Johannes from Australia. You might check out KTM 500 EXC for mostly dirt and some highway. There are stacks of adventure accessories for KTMs on EBay and online stores. Weight without fuel is about 106kg which gives you lots of scope to build a bike to suit you that weighs a lot less than your T7. Good luck and ENJOY!
Hello Daryl and thank you for the greetings all the way from Australia! Its on top of my list of places where I want to ride. The EXC 500 is a mighty fine bike, and I would love to have one that I could build into my dream adventure bike. It was one of the bikes that I was considering, but I ultimately found it too pricey and "too capable" for my current needs. I went with the Australian favorite DRZ400 for a third of the price. I like the fact that it was so cheap, so I dont mind if things break or get damaged when I drop it. Do you own an EXC 500? Greetings from Norway and ride safe my friend!
Hi Johannes, I have a 2010 450 EXC that I could never part with. It's purely a dirt bike. I also have a 2016 690 Duke R that is awesome for road riding. Your DRZ is a good choice. Lots of gear available for it. My first suggestion is get the spring rates right for your weight in your riding gear and set the rider sag correctly. Happy touring!
When I was shopping for a dirt biased (but streetable) bike last year I started out looking for a T7 and would have bought one if I'd found one... in hindsight I'm glad they weren't available because I ended up with the 701 Enduro instead and quickly learned that weight is king when it comes to this kind of riding (primarily dirt trails with some tarmac on the one end and some singletrack on the other)... and that 100lbs of weight savings is huge. Even the 690/701 suffer their weight a bit on the really challenging stuff, but if you're looking for a bike you can pack on miles AND ride capably offroad there is no perfect option.
Thanks for sharing your story David - sounds like you made the right choice. As you say, weight is one of the biggest factors when riding offroad. 690/701 isn’t necessarily a light bike, but much lighter than your typical adv bikes. If you go much smaller and weaker in terms of engine power, you’ll begin to really suffer on the highways. I don’t like riding highways, but it’s a necessary evil where I live and ride.
Hi Johannes, thank you for an enlightening video! I am 100% on your page when it comes to weight of bikes versus it's purpose. I am 61 years old and have been biking for 45 years. I have owned many bikes over the years and currently have 3 motorcycles, and a Vespa 300. Each has it's place, and specific purpose. My BMW GS 1150 Adventure is now my tar & gravel "road bike", my Dakar 650 is "do it all all-rounder", My Honda XL 200 is my light little "off-road/trail riding" bike, and my Vespa is my little "town commuter". As one gets older, shorter, and weaker, the weight of the machine becomes all important. I would dread taking my GS on a technical off-road ride, as much as I'd hate to use my XL200 for a long road trip! I think you are 100% making the right decision to go lighter, if off-road exploring is your thing! Good luck in finding the right bike, and greetings from South Africa!
Good day Neville and thank you for commenting! Sounds like you have quite the stable, especially the Dakar 650, such an iconic motorcycle. Light is right to a certain degree, for road riding I too would choose big and powerful (if I had a lighter dual sport in the stable). Thank you for the greetings and ride safe sir.
I bought a G310GS for my 60th birthday. I've ridden small displacement dual sport thumpers since 1975 but my serious dual sport riding days are long gone. I want to ride back roads, gravel and dirt roads, but I definitely don't want a heavy bike. That never sounded like fun and at my age, it sounds even less fun. A friend keeps trying to get me to buy an 850GS. I sat on his and it seemed way too heavy for me.
@@Liberty4Ever Thank you for sharing sir. You already have a very capable and perfectly good bike, personally I wouldn’t upgrade - its a 41 kg heavier bike as well. Ride safe my friend.
@@nevillecartwright7292 hey neville from a fellow s/ african out of usa how is the maintenance on your bmw. I ride a yamaha star venture and thinking on trading my vtx1800 for the gs.
I came to same conclusion with my 800gs. You can do technical trails with it if tractions is good. But when it gets slippery it's just too heavy. I'm thinking about getting KTM 690 and adding Rade Garage tower and tank to it. 160kg wet should be manageable enough I think.
Hello Alexander and thank you for commenting! After the CRF300L, the most suggested bike in this video is easily the 690/701. Its a beast of a motorcycle and I would very much like to own one. I ultimately found it a bit too pricey and ‘too capable’ for my current needs, so I bought a used DRZ instead to trash around in the woods while getting better at it. Ride safe my friend!
@@alexanderzhulin3528 Thank you! I would love to one day. I’ve never been to Russia, but I was a border patrol between Kirkenes in Norway and Murmansk many years ago :)
Came to the same conclusion with my V85TT and also looking at the 690/701. Had a look at the T700 WR the past days but ultimately its too heavy too. I'm not sure if I shall replace the V85TT or wait until I can afford a second bike. Tough decision. The 890R (with Rally tower) is tempting too.
@@theunheardprophet4315 you can unless road comfort is very important for you. 701 rides more like 80/80% enduto/road bike. And it looks like new models are more reliable than 890.
Johanne, Last year I bought a crf250l. In winter I swapped it for a 750cc street bike. Now I am waiting for the delivery of the CRF300 Rally. I recommend you to try this one. It's a great all-rounder that will let you drive anywhere. Later this year, I plan to travel the eastern section of Poland TET part.
Good day my friend! The CRF300L seems to be wildly popular - Everyone recommends it! I will go test ride one once it hits the dealers here in Norway (all sold out instantly), and really consider one if I like it and when its available on the used marked. The polish TET sounds awesome, I would love to do that one day. Ride safe!
Hi and thanks for the kind words! If you’re biased towards the tarmac, you’ll love the T7. The CP2 engine is smooth, predictable and fun. Its not the most comfortable street bike with its long suspension, but surprisingly good with a 21 inch front as well. I have considered the regular version. The rally is a cool bike and I understand its place, but it has less ground clearance and is heavier (more fuel). I would probably go with the regular and add a bigger tank if I was going that route. Thanks for the suggestion!
Thanks for honest opinion. Well done! Good luck with your new bike! Actually, planning is the most important thing here, since even tractor can be desperately stuck in mud.
Thank you Vasily! Yes you are correct, now that I’m a better and more experienced rider, it’s a lot easier to scan the terrain and understand where I should and shouldn’t ride.
Very nice and honest and rational recommendation. Its always man and the machine combo that needs to work... Good luck to you to continue riding and enjoying your rides...We all are on this quest to figure out the balance between the power and ability to manage. The net weight does play out and the CC also makes a difference to the task on hand..
Hello Ajay and thanks for the kind words! You are absolutely right- its all a compromise. It really depends on what kind of riding you intend to do. I often find myself far from help and in the really tight and technical stuff, so this change made a lot of sense. Ride safe my friend!
I don’t think they would, the DR was suggested several times! Some time has passed since I made this video, but I ended up buying a DRZ, and that was the perfect bike for my needs at the time. Light, capable and easy to work on.
Currently facing a similar situation - and looking at Honda 450 RL as an alternative. I think the hesitation I have is the price point for alternative bikes new, is the same as a T7 new. Feels like a bitter pill to swallow if it's new - so perhaps used market and a different model might be a better option. Good video and ride safe!
Hello Adnan and thank you for commenting! I think the 450L is a very cool motorcycle, but I found it to be too service intense and too pricey for a motorcycle that I personally will trash around in the woods. I went with a used DRZ for a third of the price. Can’t really compare the two performance wise, but for my use and skill level the DRZ is more than enough. I’m in the market for a second bike though, that will be better on longer highway rides as I’d like to travel down into Europe as well. Thank you and likewise, ride safe and have a great day my friend!
I was wondering if you tried the Honda CRF450L? I am a WR fan but here in the US, it's not very easy to make the WR250 or 450 street legal even though it comes with a headlight and tail light. It doesn't have the horn or blinkers. I rode a 450L and I much prefer the Yamaha but that's one of the only options in that rage. Additionally, the service intervals for the Honda are more along the line of dirt bike intervals than dual sport/road bikes.
FYI, I bought a Tenere over the Honda because they were basically the same price and I'm not trying to service it every 10 hours. I also have a TW. I rode the 300L and it feels like it has half the power of the WR250 uncorked. I think I'll just add a WR and tow it. I am definitely Yamaha biased as I've owned several and love the reliability in my experience. I noticed you bought a DRZ after reading so I'll check out some of your other videos
Hello there sir, thanks for your question! I have not ridden the 450L, so I can only judge it by it's specs and from reviews. Honestly I don't understand what Honda really wanted with this bike. It has a small gas tank and very short service intervals, so it's not really a dual sport. But it weighs 131 kg, so it's not really an enduro either. I'm fine with all these things, a bigger tank can be added and the oil changes can be prolonged if you don't race it. But then there's a few other issues, like flame outs and you need to buy an aftermarket ECU to fix the jerky throttle. I highly suggest you check out EVErides newly released review of the 450L - it doesn't look very good for the 450L to be honest.
I would agree when it comes to the 1000+ cc bikes but the T7 is a step above them. Still not an off-road bike but very good on most trails for a rider with moderate skills (worth noting that he is back on a T7 now)
Every motorcycle has limits and I think the T7 is one of the better options out there. If you know your own limits, the terrain you struggle with and the weight you find heavy, I am sure you can work out the a way out for each situation. Learn more, train more, prepare more. Get better tires. Going to a lighter motorcycle may not be the best option either, since you will always find new limitations or make compromises. Next time it will be sand, or water or whatever else. You can have the lightest transport method out there but if you hurt yourself there is no way you're getting out of there without help. This time it was deep sticky mud, next time it might be an unreliable motorcycle. The important matter is to have a reliable tool and be well prepared for the adventure. I wish you luck in finding a solution that works for you. :)
Oh yes, the T7 has a special place in my heart already. Perhaps Yamaha has released a real Rally version by then, at 150kg with a lower centre of gravity? :)
The 990 is such a good looking bike! I would love to ride one, one day. The 701 is something I’m seriously considering, but at that price range I have to be sure thats what I want. Therefore I bought a used DRZ to try out the whole dual sport thing. Ride safe my friend and thanks for commenting!
Hello Anthony, if I understand your question correctly, yes the stock tires on the T7 are not very good, but I did put on more agressive tires after the stock ones wore out. Yes there is a lot of mud in Norway, and we seem to have a lot of that super slippery mud 😅
AJP PR7 probably the best right now new, CCM GP450 if you can get one, or as a leftfield suggestion probably a BMW G450X. the CCM and BMW both use a fantastic ROTAX engine. I carry a pillion so the AJP is just not suitable for me or I would have one now. it is built to be maintainable with seals and bearings of standard sizes and they are all listed with sizes in workshop manual.
I was in exact same position w my africa twin. Dropped down to a dr650 which is great but old school design and although they are very reliable, it doesn't give me that much confidence given its old carburated design. Looking now to the T7 for a touring/adventure bike. I know it will be an anchor if I get it stuck and I am ok with that limitation. Need to have a small dual sport for that stuff.
My cousin had a wr250r and he went with us on a 8000km trip around Australia in mixed conditions . Bike went well and was surprised how well it also went on the highway
Thanks for sharing Don. The WRR is an interesting bike, but it’s not very common here in Norway. I ended up buying the DRZ instead and I’m very happy with it!
I think that you are wise. I reached a similar conclusion about my Africa Twin. I am 5’4” and I am 66 years old. The Africa Twin is brilliant but now I own a Royal Enfield Himalayan and I am much happier. For you I’d recommend the Honda 300 Rally.
Hello Gerald and thank you very much for commenting! The AT is a brilliant bike, no doubt about it, but it is very tall and heavy. The RE Himalayan is a beautiful bike. Approachable and not very tall. The Honda 300 Rally is something I want to take a closer look at once it hits the used market in Norway. I have bought a slightly used DRZ since making this video, and its a perfect test bike to see if I like the dual sport side of adventure riding. Ride safe sir.
Great story and beautiful self-insight. Yes, the Husky 701 seems like the obvious choice-if it wasn't so expensive. How about a Honda CRF300? Greetings from Denmark!
I recommend taking a look at Suzuki Dr 650. I've been riding it for 5 years including 2 week trips, rally and enduro races and I think this is the most balanced 50/50 dual sport. Pros: stock weight 147 kg, old, known reliable construction from the 90's (some people doesn't like it, but in the long run i'm very happy, doing all the maintenance on my own), tons of tuning on the market. Cons : lack of performance in stock condition. Mine is tuned heavily now and it can compete with modern bikes in races. Stock - not so much
Thank you for your comment- the DR650 is a mighty motorcycle. A few hours ago a guy commented and said his 2014 DR had 297k km on the clock (!!). I actually bought the DRs little brother, the DRZ. So far I’m really liking it and the old tech doesn’t bother me at all. I just took it apart and back together for a closer inspection and to get to know the bike, its built well and easy to maintain. I guess they are pretty similar. Where are you from if I may ask?
@@JohannesDalenMC great choice, wish you luck with drz! I had a choice back then between drz and dr but stick with more longer trips than enduro. I'm from Russia, Moscow
@@Stepankurkov04 Thank you! Moscow, thats cool! I’ve never been to Russia, but I was patroling the border by Murmansk back in the army days. I know Russia is a vast land, but how is the trails around where you live? Available?
@@JohannesDalenMC Yep, you can pretty much go anywhere in the suburban zone unless it's restricted like reserves. In central region where I live we have mostly forests, fields, swamps with muddy trails, many river crossings and gravel roads. It changes a lot around 1000 km from Moscow in any direction
Your comment are correct for learning offroad (only) and exploring tracks a lighter bike is a must.. i learned that the same way as you learned .. now i am riding a V-Strom 650 Xt because i mostly ride touring with that but for offroad i would absolutely follow your lead
Thank you for commenting. The v strom is an awesome bike, I regret selling it. It was such a good and comfortable tourer for a reasonable price. A v strom and a DRZ would make the perfect stable!
It depends on what you mean when you say «offroad». If you’re talking about gravel roads, I think the weight is fine, bus as soon as you do any trails the weight can be an issue.
@@JohannesDalenMC it's fine on any bike you just ride within it's limitations but that's not good enough for some people. Eventually every bike will get stuck it's just you choose your battles accordingly to what you're riding.
@@chrishart8548 You’re making a valid point Chris! The times that I’ve been stuck or in bad situations with the T7 I’ve taken it places the bike doesn’t belong and/or my riding skills are not good enough to cope with the terrain.
@@chrishart8548 One professional motorcycle industry tester (i.e. bias for a good 👍review) took the Yamaha Tenere 700 on a trip from the US 🇺🇸 to somewhere south of the border _as he does with all his tests of motorcycles._ He found that the Yamaha T7 fell down or "crashed" a lot more than others. This was directly *_due to the heavier weight_* of the Yamaha. So the Yamaha Tenere 700 needs lighting for trail riding (in his professional opinion). So it is easy to see the Tenere T7s biggest issue 🤔. Not really the trail conditions & not so much the skill of the rider. It is too much 💪weight. God bless
Thanks for your honesty, and for not bagging the bike. It is indeed a great bike, and it is 60Kg lighter than my XTZ1200 Supertenere, so it is fine for me. Horsesw for courses as they say.
It’s not just a great bike, it’s a fantastic one! As an adventure-touring machine with good gravel manners it’s a great bike. I think some of the pro’s using it for enduro in commercials have made people think it’s a heavy dual sport, which it’s not. Thanks for watching John 🙂
The change from the T7 to the DRZ is the single biggest game changer I’ve experienced in my motorcycle career - the difference in weight makes it so much better in every aspect besides riding fast in a straight line.
I switched to a 250 from a 650. I was really concerned about not having enough power, but to my surprise it’s not the case. You have to adapt the roads a bit, but the smaller the road the more fun it is. Two years in now, I’m still not getting bored. Highly recommend to give it a shot. To my surprise even on the highway it’s better than a 600cc single as there are less vibrations. The only real downside is overtaking on busy large country roads. You can still do it but it needs some planning.
Thanks for chiming in! After I sold this T7, I bought a DRZ400 and that was a game changer for my riding. Became a much better rider, quicker and safer on the smaller bike. Now I have another T7 (😅) for long adventure rides and a 350 enduro bike, so I’m all set!
Digging your vids Nordmenn! Love solid peeps!!! Getting stuck in the mud is what we all dream about lol... do you have any pic's / vid's on that. I think it would be fun to see. I too stay away from 48 owner bikes w/ a gazillion miles on them... lmao
Found your video as I am considering T700. I am 6’1, 190lbs and expected to put 260lbs with gears. 3 years experience in riding in the city. I have never done trail or gravel nor dirt. I am looking at T700 to do long trip most likely doing 60 paved, 40 unpaved. Will be doing some training for 3-4 months before doing long trips. I wanted crf300l but it seems just not enough power for me to be safe on the highway. Any thoughts?
Hello Kevin, thanks a lot for your question! Like me you’re a big guy and it’s reasonable to think the 300 engine would struggle, especially on the highway. If you’ve never done any dirt or offroad riding, starting out on a 200kg adventure bike is like starting out in the deep end of the pool trying to learn how to swim. The T7 is a great bike for touring and easy gravel roads, but as soon as you reach something a bit more technical you’ll going to struggle with its weight and top-heaviness. Personally I would have gone with the 300L rally no doubt. I stay away from the highway at all cost. The T7 will be much better going fast in a straight line, but for all else I think the much, much lower weight of the 300L would do you better. It is all about compromise - how much on road comfort and capability are you willing to sacrifice to achieve better offroad capability? If you said you’d do 90/10 road/offroad, I would have suggested the T7, but 60/40 is dual sport territory. I highly suggest you test ride both. Best of luck with your purchase Kevin, and please keep me updated 🙂 Ride safe and have fun my friend!
People looking for the perfect unicorn bike for off road and on road just don't realise every extra kilo on the road is beneficial for stability and worse for off road. 150kg max weight for off road 200kg min for on road for decent stability.
You are right Chris, the weight will make it more stable on the highway. The T7 is so easy to ride offroad (I explain why in my review of the T7) that it makes you think its a heavy dirt bike, but its not.
I have never ridden one, and frankly never seen a SWM motorcycle in my life, but its looks to be a very good motorcycle based on its specs! The problem is Ive never seen one for sale either, new or used. Thanks for the suggestion!
I got a crf250l that im learning on for my 2nd year now. Know that there isn't a perfect bike. A tenere will be very comfortable getting to the mud. A crf250l very comfortable once in the mud. Very light for highway. Find your compromise. Good Luck!!
Hello Johannes. I have a question on a different subject. It looks like the exhaust system on your T7 has been rebuilt to run higher. Can you give me a link to this system? The original exhaust is quite exposed and damage is likely in the event of a fall. I wish you the best of luck in your search for a suitable motorcycle. We all know this dilemma 😉
Hello Mike, thanks for watching 🙂 The exhaust I had on my T7 is made by Huzar in Poland. They have a website, but you’ll need a browser that can translate. It’s much cheaper than all the other options, and I was very happy with mine. The can is actually longer, but I asked to get the short can with the short link pipe. There is a lot of information if you google «huzar tenere 700» and pick the first link from tenere700 forum with the headline «high exhaust, is it ok? Anyone try one yet?». I can’t link the page, my comment will get removed. Good luck and feel free to ask away if I can be to more help 🙂
I wanna buy 2022 one and it will be my second bike (first crf rally) i cant make hard off road i just wanna go long roads sometimes using bad roads is it my bike ?
I have a Tiger 800 XCx and came to a similar conclusion, to the off road I do and want to do it is way too heavy. I didn't see the Tiger, it is a great bike and serves now to its intended purposes - ADV Touring with light off road If I want to go RTW the smooth, powerful and comfortable Tiger is the choice. So I got a Husqvarna 701 Enduro. What a fantastic dual sport. It does everything, very versatile. I ride with friends that have 250-450 and I keep up with them just fine in any terrain. On road they have no chance keeping up with me. The 74 hp single is a beast. Changed the heavy exhaust to Titanium, installed a lighter and powerful LiOn battery, and a fantastic Seat Concepts. I'm 6'5 like you, 105kg and the 701 looks like a 450 with me. When I sit on a 450 it looks a 250. I think 250 cc is too small for you, you will be over correcting from the T7 - too extreme. You're a big guy. 450 cc is very good choice but on road it will not really be a good solution for medium+ distances. Which brings me back to the 690/701/700 (pick your color - orange/white/red): A ~320 lbs bike (after upgrades) with 74hp, a big chassis for tall people. Can go 95 mph on road one minute then do a single track the other. Just put good off road tires (e.g. Pirelli Scorpion XC) and you'll be smiling all day long.
Thanks for watching! The T7 is a fantastic bike in so many ways, I would highly suggest you test ride one anyways. What kind of bike do you have and what are you looking for? Happy new year by the way 🙂
@@JohannesDalenMC Sure it is a fantastic bike, but as you pointed out, rough terrain is not it´s specialty . Last week I involuntarily traveled through an area wrecked with heavy rain, and despite my Honda 160 trail machine not being a lightning, I managed to get it out of a deep canal that had carved its way into the dirt road all by myself after the engine stopped running. It weighs just 120 kg. I´ll better stay with it! Have a great new year!
@@tabuleirocmd My friend I'm sorry I haven't responded to your last comment. I just found it in the "possible spam" folder, and had to approve it, I don't know why but it has happened a lot lately.. Sounds like a light bike is the way to go for you too then 😁 Have a great year you too!
I stopped riding ten years ago but I used to ride an XTZ750 (daily commuting and touring) which is a very similiar weight to a T7 although obviously by comparison, it was a stone age machine. Nonetheless modern motorcycle design can only disguise 200 kgs/450 lbs up to a certain point. I'm a very big muscular fellah and on the two separate occasions when I (carelessly) dropped my XTZ on tarmac, it was a huge physical challenge to get the thing upright again on my own and the thought of having to lift it more than once within a 24 hour period still gives me the shudders! There are so many YT vids available showing off the amazing skills of folk such as *Birch,* *Tarres* and *That Guy on an Africa Twin* as well as many much less capable dirt riders; this creates a false impression in too many people's minds regarding the true practicality of these 200kg/450lb behemoths on the dirt. *Mr Johannes* speaks powerful words of wisdom. Riders are buying into motorcycle manufacturers' unrealistic dreams. The only way to get the full value for money out of the truly massive capability of today's big ADV bikes is to spend good money receiving a lot of good quality professional off-road training. Otherwise *ride with a friend.*
Bless you bro for your humble and honest reflections. Ya man weight is really important. Doesn’t matter how skilled you are when you end up in some shitty situation . I am 65 know and been on bikes since I was 14years Young And the overweight Adventure bikes are a plague and one should not go alone with them off-road. When something happens even a 100 kg bike can be overwhelming when alone. It is very easy to get caught in the situation you describe and I have been there even with big road bikes on dirt roads. One time one a gravel road I ended under my 200 kg Laverda 1000 In a deep ditch which luckily was almost dry. It took me a couple off hours to get lose an wrestle /drag the bike up and the push start it . And same with light motocross bikes out in nature struggling for hours on my own. I feel that it’s a risk you take when being on your own that you might not make it specially if you get injured But that’s is life and makes it more challenging and rewarding when you can look back and share with friends. I know the feeling of despair when struggling alone for survival but have also the great memories of surviving and that gives me a beautiful foundation for to continue living fully and Not give in for fear and ageing. Today I ride a overweight Yamaha 660 and a 300kg Honda Pan Europe and I am still pushing the limits as I always has been doing. Just go for it brother. 😉🙏👍
500 EXCF is the way to go. Don’t believe the KTM haters, here is a quick summary. Oil changes, for easy trail riding 2500km is no problem. For reliability, read of Kiwi Aaron Steinmans 140,000 round the world trip with no mechanical issues. Since the 2013 models came out, incredibly reliable motor with many riders not requiring valve adjustments for hundreds of hours. Re luggage, Giant Loop or Moscow Moto reckless, bigger tank, being 198cm you don’t need to have the travel lowered but it is easily done. Maybe a stiffer rear spring, definitely better lights and raise the gearing, 15/45 is OK. Fully loaded for camping, 155kg!
I absolutely do not believe the KTM haters - There’s more issues with them, its that simple, but they are stressed, high performance machines, so I understand it! An adventurized EXC 500 sounds like a wet dream. Expensive, but seriously capable. Perhaps in the future when my skills evolve?
Million dollar question right there, Charlie! The Yamaha dealer who sold me my T7 said he heard rumours about a Tenere 300, using the mt03 engine. That would be competing more with the Versys 300, crf300l rally and ktm 390 though. I hope they are planning a WR350-400R, that would have been awesome, but it would have been very expensive as well, when you look at how they priced the WR250R.
Hello Nick and thank you for the nice words and the suggestion! A winch would have solved the problem, no doubt. I’m struggling to explain exactly why, but I feel that if one needs a winch to get out of certain situations, perhaps one is riding the wrong bike for that kind of riding? Does what I’m saying make any sense?
690/701 is a very interesting machine. Its a bike I will take a closer look at when/if I feel the need to upgrade my newly acquired DRZ. Thank you for the wisher, ride safe Bryan!
I have enough trouble pulling out my 01' kx125 out of sticky mud, especially if there's a hill or incline on the back or front side. Couldn't imagine even attempting that with double the weight. XD
T7 is over 200kg, it's 206kg and if you have additional things, crash bars, fog light etc. weight go over 220kg, I know because I have xt660r, stock 184kg but with top case and central stand, fog light, alarm, crash bars etc. it's over 200kg, probably around 205kg!!
Yeah the T7 is very heavy if you take it on the trails, but the strange thing is that while its moving, it actually feels a lot lighter. It’s when you stop and the bike begins to lean you feel the weight. Those 200kg comes crashing down incredibly fast if you’re not paying attention!
I traded my T7 for a new ktm 690 enduro r, T7 is a very good bike but it's simply outclassed by the 690: much lighter, much better power to weight ratio, far superior component.
Thanks for the comment John, thats very interesting. The 690/701 has been suggested many times, and its a machine I’m going to take a closer look at in the future. Right now I found it a bit too capable and pricey for my current needs, thats why I went with the DRZ. Ride safe my friend!
Hello Ron, thanks for the suggestion! Both bikes were high on my list, but I ultimately found them a bit too expensive. I bought a used DRZ and been loving it ever since! Ride safe.
Reasuring to hear I’m heading in the right direction. I’m sure you’rr very happy with the crf450- any reason you went with that vs its competitors? Thanks for commenting.
@@JohannesDalenMC - the DRZ was a contender- but I wanted to get away from carburetor tech as I have a lot of elevation change from month to month. I love the beta 430 - smooth as butter but still responsive and the Husky 500 - less aggressive as the KTM 500. But both those have no real subframe and I like to do 2-6 day camping rides and wanted a more substantial subframe for my gear. If not hauling 50-60lbs of gear - I would have gone for the beta or husky.
@@314adv Where do you live with these altitude changes if I may ask? When/if the DRZ is going to be replaced, I will take a closer look at several of the bikes you mention. They are all high performing bikes and I’m more of a relaxed, exploring kind of guy. But, you never know what the future brings. When I bought the T7 I really thought I’ve found the bike that I would keep forever.
@@JohannesDalenMC - I live in Missouri, USA around 540ft above sea level - but I like to travel a lot and end up in Colorado, Kentucky, etc - so I ride between 0 ft sea level and 10,000 ft sea level. My DR650 would struggle with the changes - so figured the DRZ400 would be similar. The DRZ is a solid and reliable bike that can do anything I ride. The CRF450 is wound strung and high maintenance. If they had 400 fuel injected with solid subframe and adv maintenance intervals- I would switch.
@@314adv Thats awesome! I’ve always had this affection for USA. I would love to ride through the states and explore your enormous country. Perhaps not on a DRZ though, hehe. I dont understand why Honda didn’t tune down the engine of the CRF450L to start with. Honda reliability, great suspension and easy maintenance- it would have sold like hotcakes! The version we get in Norway is only 23bhp and costs the same as the T7 and more than a 500 EXC.
Hello Goran and thanks for your suggestion! They are both awesome bikes, but I do find them a bit pricey. A dual sporter from japan will be at least half the price, but also half the bike, but I’m a beginner/intermediate. Perhaps something like that in the future?
You’d love the 690 or 701. I went from a Vstrom 650 to a WR250R to a 690. The 690 is my unicorn. Same price as T7, same horse power but 50 kg lighter. So amazing off road, fantastic fun in the twisties and just fine on the highway. Worth double the WR250R as it’s double the bike.
You was having a 700cc with 320km of range, if you want to keep that power and a good range, I suggest a "cheap used" KTM 690 enduro R, 322 lbs / 146 kg, Husqvarna 701(same motorcycle)... With DRZ4000, or WR, or CRF250L, you'll have only 150km of range, and not enough power compare to your Tenere, you will not like it!(I had 3 of them DRZ) I suggest the CRF300 Rally as well(400km of range), Maybe a CR500X(500km od range!!) with a Rally Raid modification... BMW GS310 is good too and really fun! Good luck!
Hello Pat, thanks a lot for chiming in! After I sold the T7 I bought a DRZ, which I still own and love for what it is, but it did lack some highway capability - so around a month ago I bought a brand new 701 enduro 😁 so I did follow your suggestion, just in advanc. If you check out some of my other videos you’ll see that I’m kitting out my 701 to be a perfect adventure bike. Thanks 🙂
@@JohannesDalenMC Wow happy to ear that! I had 3 DRZ400, really loved the bike, exept for the range, I put an IMS tank on one of them, but its not very cute, compare to a 701 lol! I had a GS650 too, GS310, Scrambler Ducati... My last one was the KTM 690 2015, and I think I will buy a brand new one this year! Congrat for your 701, really good choice, we think the same! Its the better compromise for adventure!!! (KTM 690 got a USB port, and a little bigger tank, compare to the 701, so lets see!)
Thanks for the suggestion - I’ve never ridden the WRR myself, but I’ve heard a lot of good things about it. I went with a DRZ, mainly because of the extra power and torque.
Hello Marco! I used the stock tires for my TET trip, but when I got home I changed to a set of Motoz tires. The ADV one in the back and the RallZ in the front. Huge improvement in the dirt, but a big loss on tarmac.
A true and honest opinion and riding skills review, that all new riders should watch! Well done Johannes, for your honesty, humility and public announcement!! 👍👍
Hello Nelio and thank you very much for the kind words. Ride safe my friend!
I’m 65 years old and love adventure, dirt, tarmac, two track, sand! So I definitely get the weight being an issue. I have ridden a Honda CRF 300 rally for two summers now and wouldn’t trade it for the world! Rural 55-60 mph gets me from one trail to the next no problem! I’m glad I watched your video because I really was thinking of the Tenere but the weight is definitely a concern…thanks for sharing
Thanks a lot for sharing Jim, I’m happy to hear the crf300l Rally is serving you well and my video helped you in the decision.
A lot has happened since I made this video. I sold the T7 and bought a DRZ and a 701, both 150 kg dual sports. It made a huge difference and I got to learn the basics of offroad riding on more forgiving bikes. Now I’m actually back on a T7 because there’s so much tarmac to cover to get to the trails here where I live. I love the T7 and it isn’t as heavy as I found it with my first ownership. Why? Most likely because I’m a much better rider now after riding the dual sports. And I’m actually looking to add the crf300l to my stable because it’s a great value - a bike that I’d love to make a build series about and ride on the local trails.
Mad props to you for the humility in your judgement. I started riding last year on a Versys 300 and even though I love that little thing I can already tell how it's not suited for serious off-road riding. I was thinking of the T7 for an "upgrade" but after seeing your video I am gravitating more toward a new KLX300 or CRF300L, maybe even a DRZ400. Thank you for your insight.
Hello Ricardo and thank you very much for your kind words!
I have not ridden the Versys, but with its 175kg I would imagine its easier/better for basic offroad riding than the T7, unless you’re a very skilled rider. A CRF/KLX/DRZ will be 30kg lighter than the Versys with the same power. I’ve read many people say they improved their offroad riding skills more in a few months on a dual sport, than what they learned with years on an adventure bike.
I’m glad I could help my friend. I just bought a DRZ and will make videos with first impressions, offroad riding and compare a dual sport to an adventure bike when I have some experience with the DRZ.
Ride safe!
Theres no beating traditional dual sports as long as you dont mind not being able to do long highway trips.
I love my v strom, it's not that bad off road with some knobbies, I do mud and sand pretty fine and it's so comfortable.
I solo off road a lot too. Three tools I always have with me are a folding saw, a coil of rope (15m X 3.5mm) and two small rope snatch blocks. I can quickly set up a snatch pull with hundreds of pounds of pull, and it all fits in a small bag/pouch). Thrown over a large limb or secured 3 meters up a tree trunk, and you can easily upright the bike. Tied off (once upright), you can power the bike forward 2-3 meters before the rope starts to hold you back. Then reposition the setup if you need more rope assist. This is not a quick, handy rescue method. This is when you have really tried and failed to upright the bike on your own. Dark is coming and/or weather is going bad.
You nailed it. People like to talk about the "best" bike, but what matters is the best bike for YOU and how you ride 🙂👍
Exactly, and as long as you’re on two wheels I’m happy for you 😁
Yes, the Tenere doesn't function as a boat.
I switched from a T7 (still in my garage) to a CRF 300 L. I have replaced the suspension front and rear (much better than a T7 or a WR 250 now), modified the ergonomics, added an exhaust system and removed/replaced some part to reduced the weight wherever possible. And I love it - so much more fun on- and off-road… really perfect for the TET and alike. Saying that, the T7 is still my preference for pure long highway rides.
That sounds like an awesome bike! What exactly did you do with the suspension on the CRF?
Once it hits the used market in Norway, I will take a closer look at it. My plan is to pick up a slightly used one with the suspension already done, unless I really like my newly aquired DRZ.
I would love to keep the T7 for longer highway rides. I’m currently looking for a second bike, pure street for those longer trips down in Europe.
Thank you for commenting!
@@JohannesDalenMC Since you didn't get an answer so far, I can at least make suggestions, on what might be a good idea to change, at the suspension.
I'm two inches smaller than you and weigh 100kg.
Harder spring and shock absorber on the rear!
The rear suspension will be too soft for you and the shock absorber isn't up to the task. it's way too soft and will get to its limits the moment when beeing loaded with you and your baggage. it will leave few suspension travel and will bottom out offroad. especially if you plan on riding it just for fun (without baggage) at times and then traveling (with baggage) you will want a rear suspension with adjustable pre-tension. A few hundred Euro and you're good.
the front suspension/fork is about okay and mostly just needs to be changed due to personal driving style/preference. I would just ride it for a few km and then decide.
For me, the fork needs to be harder and the shock absorber needs to be damping more.
If you are a more relaxed driver, you may be satisfied with the original. If you tend to be rather sporty, you might find that the fork compresses too much while breaking hard.
I wanna (partially) ride the TET through sweden/norway/finnland in summer 2022. I did think of getting a tenere 700 for that, instead of changing the oil and filter on the crf 300 SIX+ times.
Even though I am aware of the problems with mud an lifting the bike a few dozen times, your experience is giving me second thoughts about my choice.
How would you describe the trail (as far as you know it) in the summertime?
Is it a stupid idea to take a tenere 700 when riding alone?
@@ferdlhofreiter45 Thanks a lot for the feedback Ferdl, sounds like you’ve done your homework! The shock on my brothers 250l is just terrible. If I went with a 300l I would do the same as you, new shock and new internals in the front.
Are you enjoying your 300l so far?
@@JohannesDalenMC I jsut wrote a long comment and reloaded the page, so it's gone.
I'm being a little shorter now.
Overall it's what I expected and I am happy. It's a great weekend ride and will stay for that.
It has the expected flaws, but only the suspension wasn't acceptable for me.
I didn't ride for 15 years, and had no offroad experience worth mentioning, so I'm not the first choice to evaluate the offroad capability.
So far I didn't wish for more power offroad, even though I am thrashing it fairly well. I just got not quite technical terrain though. No sand, no boulders.
On tarmac, it's okay, but I'm not sure, if I wanted to do my planned 4-7000km trip on it.
I'm planning to (partially) do the scandinavian TET in summer 2022 and am not sure, if I could accept to take the 300.
Mostly because my trip will involve quite a bit tarmac country roads and highways, and because of oil/filter changes every 1000km.
Right now I'm looking into a very well offroad capable bike, that' available in germany.
Since quite a few bikes aren't available in germany, I'm drawn to the KTM 690 Enduro R or the Tenere.
Could I ask your opinion on the scandinavian TET in the summertime?
Would you not go there anymore on a 180-200 kg bike alone?
Or would you be okay with it and just compromise on certain parts?
I know how much trouble a Tenere could be, yet I feel drawn towards that., and I feel drawn to stay on the TET for as long as possible.
@@ferdlhofreiter45 Thanks for sharing, appreciate that. A lot to cover here, so I’ll try to be a bit short and precise:
Is the oil/filter change on the crf300l 1000km? Or was that a typo and you ment 10.000? The 450l is 1000, but that is pretty much a race bike.
When it comes to TET, I have only ridden in Norway, but I think for at least Norway and Sweden, the difficulty is around the same. 9/10 times it would be okay with a Tenere 700 / 200kg adventure bike for most people. But, the one time you do drop your bike and can’t get out, it will ruin the whole trip and it can be dangerous. There are a few remote places on the Norwegian TET, but you’re never that far from help. I think the Swedish TET is even more remote. People are riding TET here in the north with a GSA1250, so it’s doable. Everyone has a different approach to how much risk they are willing to take, and I can only speak for myself - I’m not taking a 200kg bike on a TET trip more times. I would rather have a 300L than a T7.
The T7 is a fantastic bike, and would work well if you know its limitations. But I did know it’s limitations, yet was I caught out in difficult situations many times - and I consider myself a very defensive rider.
I just bought a 2021 Husqvarna 701 enduro so the highway stints between the TETs will be more confortable, yet I have a bike that is very capable offroad.
If you want company, I’ll join you on the norwegian TET this summer 🙂
I came from a Africa Twin to Husqvarna 701...I have to say I made the right choice. Give it a try...it's not as comfortable as an Adventure bike but it's super capable off road and a featherweight compared to a twin
Thanks a lot for your comment Dan!
I can absolutely imagine that it was a step in the offroad direction, for sure!
I’m most likely not going to buy the 701 to begin with, at least not yet, mainly because of price, but I am looking at dual sports in the same category weight wise. Its reassuring to hear that you’re happy with your choice.
I have test ridden the 701 and man the power, its crazy! Haha
701 is a good call I’ve got the Ktm sas 1290 but in an ideal world I would love a second bike
@@michaelletford4786 I test rode the 890r on my recent TET trip. The engine was like a rocket, can’t imagine how crazy the mighty 1290 must be 😅
I am another happy 701 owner. I have a Husqvarna FE350 which I use less than the 701 even in single track. You're a big lad, Johannes, the 140kg is no problem for me, 90kg and 183cm tall, long time ago power lifter too. For TET rides long oil change gaps, cush drive, pleasant road manners all make the 701 a good choice for me, but I've got stuck too.
@@TheIdlesurfer Nice to see hear from a fellow lifter Andrew!
If/when I think its time to replace the DRZ, the 701 enduro is definitely something I will take a closer look at. How long have you had it for and has there been any issues?
Great honest evaluation of the situation you find yourself in.
I am 61 years old and have ridden bikes for over 40 years, off road and on and find the same problem with my T7, it is great in most situations but you definitely notice the weight, but thankfully I am over the single track stuff.
If I do go ride more off road I will ride my DR 650, still heavy but 40 Kg lighter than my T7, and I feel more confident on it.
I have heard and read many things that ADV riders prefer more powerful, more comfortable bikes for long trips but I will put up with a less powerful, less comfortable bike on the road just to save me from being stuck somewhere dripping with sweat and exhausted from trying to get some 250 Kg behemoth out of a rut or stuck on the side of a hill.
Thank you for the comment sir. I couldn’t agree more, after being stuck many times. I’ll happily give up road performance and comfort for a lighter, easier and more offroad capable bike.
Ride safe!
You're an excellent presenter Johannes, this was a brilliant blend of statement/question & assertive/reflective, that combined with your openness and honesty makes you very engaging.
Would really like to hear about the new 701.
Thank you very much for the kind words, I appreciate that!
I just released a new video about the 701 after 1000km. Have around 3000km now after an amazing event in Sweden, and man what an excellent machine. Couldn’t be happier!
Johannes just found your channel. Consider Honda XR650L @ 340 pounds it's on the heavy side, cheap, uses a carb, been around a long time. KLX, CRF and WRR are close to 300 pounds so pretty heavy for a 250. Even CRF450 is 290 pounds and is very expensive, and has the maintenance schedule of a KTM. KTM will be in the 240 pound range and also expensive but will hold it's value better when you go to sell it, they're always in demand. Suzuki DRZ400 is 320 pounds, a good reliable bike. If you want a lighter bike, go with a KTM but find a 2017 or so with the ability to add a kickstart if your worried about a dead battery in the wilderness. The newer KTMs lost the ability to add a kickstarter. So, considerations are: How light a bike do you want, Carb/fuel injection, cost per cc, reliability, ability to carry weight on the back, appropriate power for your skill level, height of the bike, maintenance schedule, electric start, range/mileage, dirt/street bias, and such. Good luck sir.
Hello Scott and thank you very much for an excellent comment- gonna pin this one so people in the same situation can use this as a guide. Just yesterday a guy commented how much good information there was in the comment section of this video!
I have already bought a used DRZ, and comparing my purchase with the points you’ve made with your comment, I am sure I made the right decision!
Likewise, ride safe my friend!
Had a 17 KTM 500, never needed a kicker in 4 years!
Wow you frankness is much appreciated!!. At 5'8 and 165 lbs my 310 GS is awesome on and off road. Good luck on your journey my friend!!
Happy to hear Patrick - I’m actually back on a T7 now after practicing my offroad skills on a smaller dual sport for over a year. All explained in my recent videos.
Good luck on yours too and ride safe 😊
I own a T7 and a Xt250, I am 5 foot 8 inches (175cm) tall only 145 pounds (66kg). I've layed the T7 over 2 times when I was riding solo. The bike isn't that heavy to get back up. But it is heavy for technical riding. My 250 doesn't dictate where I go like the T7. But the T7 is so nice on the roads that I can't let it go. I think I will keep the T7 for light offroad and touring duties. And I will always keep a light weight dual sport for technical riding....the problem is... I need more power for the lighter dual sport now that it feels so slow after riding the T7!
Thanks for your comment Shaun!
I agree, picking up the T7 is doable, but its very heavy if its on an incline, in mud or between two trees 😅
If the XT250 doesn’t have enough power, which dual sport do you think would be the one for you?
I would really like to keep the T7 for touring, but there are so many cheaper options out there if I’m only touring on it (street bike), so I do see myself getting a light DS and in the near future, a cheap commuter/tourer.
@@JohannesDalenMC I like the new Kawasaki KLX 300, and the old Wr250r as well. Even looked at the KTM and Husky 350. I really like the Husky but don't know if I want the high maintenance...though it would be a lot of fun on the trails. Hoping yamaha releases a new 250 to 350cc dual sport soon now that the Wr250r is discontinued in the USA. My old 2009 xt250 has been 100 percent reliable, so i would like to stick with a made in japan bike.
@@shaunoftheguads If the KLX300S would have been available in Norway I’d pick it up new. I like it over the CRF300L because of the better suspension.
If Yamaha releases a competent WR350R it would sell like hot bread, as long as it wasn’t too expensive. The WR250R in Norway used is almost the same price as a slightly used EXC500 😅
I too am going for a Japanese to begin with, just for the peace of mind.
well said
@@JohannesDalenMC Don't you think 300cc dual sports would be a bit too weak for someone your weight + luggage for long distance adventure riding?
Couldn't get the bike out of the mud? Do you even lift?
I have a 2019 Africa Twin. Incredible machine, but when it’s paid off I’ll be trading it for a CRF300L Rally. Also, you kind of look like Charlie Hunnam.
Hi Rob and thanks for chiming in. Sounds like we’re both going in the direction of «light is right». The CRF300L sounds like an awesome bike. When it hits the used marked I will seriously consider getting one that already has the all the upgrades :)
Haha thats cool, I was a huge SOA fan back in the day when I rode my Harley 😅
Same situation with my BMWF800GS Adventure.Incrreibke machines,but i need a lighter bike
Mine due to arrive in just 1 month 😁
@@malybullg That’s awesome, please let us know how you like it!
Ride safe Malcolm 🙂
Same here. I have a Tiger 900 Rally Pro that I haven’t even ridden since buying a CRF 300 Rally. The 170 pound difference allows you to go places the heavy bikes can’t. The Honda is fine on the highway for a couple hours at a time and 70 mpg gives great range.
Why don’t you take a look at the KTM 690 Endure R? Similar power and only 150kg wet or 139kg dry.
I test rode the 701 enduro a month ago. I could definitely see myself picking one up in the future, but they are slightly above my current budget and what I’d like to spend on a motorcycle that I will toss around in the woods and learn on. Do you own one?
Thanks for commenting, Chris :)
Gas tank way to small for adventure riding
But if it had a bigger tank it would be a keeper
, there are after market tanks but pricey,
Drz400 are great bikes , nothing fancy but are super reliable and cheap to own , and the best thing is you just don’t get upset picking it up after you drop it, so many parts around for them, just an opinion
@@burt101welly6 Did you know that I already bought a DRZ when posting this comment?
And yes, not getting upset when dropping it and breaking something is one of the reasons I bought it!
Thank you so much for all the positive comments and great bike suggestions!
I have now bought my next bike, a mint DRZ:
ruclips.net/video/S3ANsWvixTg/видео.html
This bike seems to get the job done as a starter dual sporter.
I wish you all a great day and please ride safe!
Johannes
We cannot all be Pol Tarres... My first ADV bike was also a 650 V-Strom, and I caught the same bug as you. I traded my V-Strom in for a WR250R. I am almost 60 years old, 1.77m tall, 87kgs of office worker body, and low skilled. When we go out, I am the guy that picks his bike up twice an hour. I love my WR, but you are too big for it if you do any road riding at all. Enjoy the DRZ!
@@davidc1961utube Hello David and thank you very much for commenting!
The WRR is a great bike. So is the unkillable V-Strom, but its a tourer.
Ride safe my friend!
Congrats - and have a blast. I really considers that bike.
I agree the DRZ400 is small enough to wrestle with in difficult terrain, yet big enough to go on the road. With aggressive tires it should take you anywhere, though the fuel tank is not very large.
@@paulh6591 Thats reassuring to hear, Paul! The bike came with a 17L safaritank, so the fuel issue is sorted. More aggressive tires are coming on tomorrow, finally got the rim locks in the mail.
I’m 36 years old and have ridden motorcycles since I was 19. I never did get into off-road or trail riding. The extent of off-road experience is on 4 wheels. My riding level is fairly accomplished. I have been looking at getting a dual sport to fulfill my ORV and motorcycle needs. I have done a lot of thinking about it and too realized my need for a smaller displacement, lighter motorcycle for learning the technical side of trail riding. I appreciate your honest reflection of your abilities. It further reinforces the fact that regardless of time spent in the saddle, when tackling a new approach to the sport you need to take a step back. We can all run, but running on ice is very different. The Honda CRF300L Rally is my ideal bike, however struggle with paying retail cost for something I may never enjoy as much as tarmac riding. I look forward to seeing you progress as a rider. Keep posting I’ll keep watching.
Good day Kcmoto and thank you for commenting!
You said it in a simple yet beautiful way. We all need to evaluate our skill level, what we want to accomplish and what tools we need to master the skill. I tried to run on ice before I learned how to run by taking a 200kg monster offroad.
The CRF300L/Rally seems to be a really good bike, but personally I wouldn’t buy it new. If you’re not sure if its for you I would buy a used bike. That way you don’t have to deal with the initial loss from buying new, and you can sell with little to no loss if you dont like it.
Thanks for sticking around and ride safe my friend!
I think the husky 701 would fit the bill at 70hp, and 160kg in weight. 250cc, I think is too small, as is the Drz400, at just 40 HP.
The Husky is one awesome machine, and I agree. The T7 is a road bike made usable in the dirt, the 701 is a dirt bike made usable in the street.
I chose the 701 and it is fantastic. Takes a lot of money in mods to make it into a comfortable adventure style bike, though
@@enhancdreality If I could pick without paying, it would have been the 701 or the PR7.
The DRZ I chose is one third of the price of both, and that makes it a lot easier for me to try new stuff in the woods, crash the bike, tip it over without worrying etc. To me that is very valuable as a learner.
Thank you for chiming in!
@@JohannesDalenMC I wanted the 2021 model of the PR7 but they aren't available in Australia.
I completely understand about the price. My bike is very expensive and it's painful to think about crashing it
@@enhancdreality Yeah they are very hard to get here in Norway too. I am very interested in a comparison between the 701 and the PR7!
Love your approach. I'll stick to my Drz you helped me with my confusion about owning A t700
Ex owner of wr250r, 690's, klr and 500 chiming in. I still own my 500 but I wanted to try a bigger adv bike to see if I was missing out on something, so like many peoples who watched pol tares vids, I went for a t7 lol. My verdict : I agree 100% with you. Fantastic adv bike, but thats about it. I won't sell my 500 anytime soon, and If I was you, I would look for a 690. Wr250r and DRZ are great and all, but you will miss some power. 690's are heavy, but manageable everytime, unlike the T7...
Thank you so much for the comment, Phil. I’m glad we both agree that the T7 is a fantastic bike, but also a heavy one if you want to explore more offroad than gravel roads.
I’ve had the EXC500 recommended many times, and theres plenty of people putting on a cush drive hub and riding them around the world. I could see myself getting one in the future, but I think a DRZ or WRR is a cheaper, easier first step going from ADV riding to dual sporting, don’t you agree?
If you could give me a quick write up on DRZ vs WRR since you’ve owned both I would be very thankful!
Wr vs DRZ, it depend... on the highway, the Z really lack a 6th gear, and start to be an outdated bike also. The WR is better everywhere else but lack the torque of the DRZ.. Thats the reason why I would suggest something a bit bigger, given your size, and by the fact that you already got used to a 200kg beast. The 500 is a weapon but its on the other end of the spectrum, too radical for a lot of people. 690's or those newer honda's 300 would be the ticket for you, I believe...
@@phil2ride312 Thanks a lot again!
I’ve given the new crf300l a good look. My brother owns a crf250l rally. Out of the box I will have to upgrade the suspension, that bike is soft. Can’t get my hands on the klx300s in Norway, that has better suspension.
Have you ridden the new crf300l?
@@JohannesDalenMC Nope but I've heard good things. Some suspensions work still might needed.
@@phil2ride312 Don’t have to go full Ohlins on it, I guess stiffer springs will do plenty for someone of my skill level. But, the crf300l new is only slightly cheaper than a used 450exc. Can get my hands on a barely used one for just 20% more than the crf. Decisions decisions :)
DO NOT GET A WR250R!!! YOU ARE WAY TO BIG AND HEAVY FOR IT.
What you need to look at is a 400cc range. WR or YZ from Yamaha or the CRFs of Honda. The issue with the Huskys and the KTMs is that they are not reliable at all. You don't want to exchange being stuck because of weight for 6 hours with being stuck in the middle of nowhere for 12 hours becauae of a malfunction. You are also very right with the cost. Any bike you take on REAL adventure would get messed up, and there is absolutely no justification for doing it to a $10k bike.
The right way to go is get 2 cheap and reliable bikes for light adventure and harder adventure/off-roading. I have a 2003 BMW Dakar - fantastic for adventure and medium off road ($3500) very reliable. And an xr400r for off road/hard adventure ($2000). Even 400 might be a bit too small for you. Someone like you might feel like it's a kiddy bike. If that is the case go for the XR650L. It has electric start and it's powerful but nimble. Don't let anyone tell you stories about how it's a pig and can't move. I'm 5'7" and I did all the hard adventure and Enduro that you can imagine on it (when I was new for motorcycling).
Get 2 bikes and you will have lots of change from your T7...
Good luck.
Good day Ozi and thank you for the comment. You make a lot of very good points and I agree with everything you say.
I want a reliable bike, and I want it to be light. I also want it to be cheap so I dont get "upset" when things break when I drop it in the woods, on rocks etc. Many people suggest PR7 or the Husky 701- both very good bikes, but also as costly as the T7. For the money I got on selling the T7, I have purchased a barely used DRZ400, and Im in the market for another bike, mainly for road use.
Good luck to you too and ride safe my friend!
I appreciate your humble feedback on the T7. I got a Drz400s as my first bike last year and have been using it to explore trails and some technical off road club trails, but it's also just (barely) big enough to zip on the highway to work. The DRZ has been very forgiving for me to learn on. I keep thinking about the T7 for my next bike, but like you, I have also gotten into some sticky situations out in the wilderness on my own, and I was barely able to get my bike unstuck. I know that if I had a heavier bike like the T7, I would have had to call help to get out. So it's pushing me more toward bikes like a husky701, or beta500.
Hello Russell and thank you for sharing your experience!
I’m glad to hear the DRZ has been serving you well - if you enjoy trail riding and offroad riding I would rather buy something like the 701/690 instead of the T7. The T7 is a lot better on the highway though, so it depends on what kind of riding you want to do. How about buying a second bike that will do commuting and highway riding better than the DRZ, and use the DRZ for trail riding? That’s what I’m doing, as I found the T7 to be too much of a compromise in both trail riding and highway riding. A DRZ and a used V Strom does everything better than one bike, and is also cheaper.
Are you not happy with the DRZ since you’re thinking about upgrading it?
@@JohannesDalenMC Thanks for the reply. Multiple bikes would be nice, but with my current lifestyle/budget I like the appeal of compromising on a dual sport. The drz has been a pleasure, but I think I'm driven by a curiosity to try other "modern" dual sports since the Drz is the only bike I have experience with so far. Feeling slightly limited by no 6th gear when I need to ride 30-60 mins to get to fun new trails.
@@Mazer0600 I absolutely understand. It sounds like you should take a closer look at the 701, I’ve heard many good things about it! A sixth gear would have been very nice on the DRZ. I have geared mine down so anything over 80kmh is a no go.
Keep me posted on what you’ll end up buying. If you buy during the off season you might get a good deal on a slightly used 701.
Great review my friend!! I bought a T7 a few months ago. I’m 5’6” 165 lbs. so last weekend I dropped it for the second time but this time I was alone. Just couldn’t pick it up on my own after some time a guy pulled over to help me. Learning how heavy it is the hard way. Greetings from Argentina 🇦🇷!! Thanks for sharing this video!!
Thanks Christian! Yes, it can be a handful at times, and it’s very important to be mindful where you’re riding, so you don’t end up completely alone far away from any help. When I ride alone on my new T7, I’m much more careful of where I ride and what I attempt to do. Stay safe brother, and thanks for the greetings. Congrats on the world cup 😁
@@JohannesDalenMC thank you Johannes for replying and for Messi!! I’ve noticed you take the time to respond to most if not all the comment people leave you. You are very thoughtful my friend. Looks like you are a very nice person!! Have fun and keep on riding!!!
I try my best, thanks for noticing 😊 all the best my friend!
Hello Johannes,
I stood for the same decision as you a. I was strugeling with the decision purchasing a Tenere 700. Besides I´m convinced that the new Tenere is an awesome bike i decided to buy a XT 660 R instead. With a few mods it weights around 175kg wet. That 25 kilo less and the fact that it is a 1/3 the price in Germany decided it for me
I had a WR 250 R for 2,5 years and i rode around 15.000 kilometers. I have done 3 major trips mostly offroad. I learned offroad riding with it, and for me it is despite my not so big experience the best offroad bike i ever rode. The Power was offroad more than enough and the Suspension was way better than necessery for me. It gave me the confidence to explore wherever i wanted to go. When there is trail i had the feeling i can ride it. I only sold it because the lack of torque was anoying over time. The engine is reliable but quite revy as you would expect from a 250 i hope my experience could help you a little.
Best regards from Germny
Guten abend mein freund!
I think you made the best decision buying the xt660r instead of the T7. 25 kg is actually a huge difference and the money you saved can be used for gas. The T7 is a fine machine, but it is not 60% better than the xt660r, thats for sure!
Thank you for sharing your experience with the WRR- It assures me I’ve made the right choice buying the DRZ400 for my kind of riding.
Ride safe my friend, greetings from Norway.
Dude... So refreshing bro. Thanks for the honest review. Hit all the points that keep me up at night. Excellent insight.
Happy to hear James!
Johannes, pretty much the same thinking as far as my own experience (2001 BMW F650 Dakar). If I would make a choice right now, I would consider KTM 690 Enduro R 2021.
Hello Przemek and thanks for commenting!
The 690/701 seems like such awesome machines. I have considered those, but as this is a test phase for me, to see if the dual sport is something I want to continue with, I went with a much cheaper used DRZ. If I happen to like it, the bike you mention might very well be my next bike.
Ride safe my friend!
I bought a 690 enduro r as a new rider 6mos ago and i love it.
@@jonbob6635 Thanks for chiming in, I’m glad you’re happy with the new bike, thats awesome!
690 enduro/Husqvarna 701 was on my list too, but after reading many bad experiences with the reliability of those, I went for Honda CRF250 Rally. Bad reliability is the other thing which will leave you stranded. Lower power also helps with handling as a new rider.
This is a major point that most people need to hear but too many owners done say either due to using them mostly on road as you say or thinking a light gravel road is "offroad use"
Thank you for commenting Jay. I agree, I think there’s a lot of guys out there riding their big adv bikes, without knowing how heavy the bike really is when things get ugly. Then again, most of these bikes are used for touring, which is prefectly fine as well. The word ‘adventure’ has different meaning to different people.
Ride safe my friend!
@@JohannesDalenMC I didn't mean to denigrate anyone for their form of offroad but when you look at marketing videos like the one done by pol terres and then you hear reviews some people may get the wrong impression.
@@jaybosher6144 I’m with you. The marketing done by the manufacturers these days are very effective: Pol Tarres, Chris Birch etc.
I fell for it and learned the hard way, definitely!
If you can get one a DR 650 light reliable and cheap or its little brother the drz 400... I bought a 650 to do the BDR's here in the states for the exact reason you are selling your T7 .. jmo
Thanks a lot for your comment. I actually test rode a DRZ400 today, and I liked it. It was a lot less refined than my T7 (obviously), but it was so light I could pick it up under my arm 😅
Dr650 is the way to go, it is the best light adventure bike in my opinion. I love mine.
@@212driller Good day sir and thanks for your comment. I have never ridden the mighty DR, but I’m sure its awesome! I actually bought its little brother intented for the same use :)
@@JohannesDalenMC Any DR you buy will be good and super reliable…
@@davyboycolon530 Awesome! At my current skill level I prefer reliability over performance :)
As tall as you are seems like the crf450rl would be a good fit, just lots of maintenance needed is the only downfall.
A very good suggestion and a bike that I’ve been interested in - but as you say the high maintenance is a big downfall. I have a DRZ and a 701 enduro now, looking for that ultimate unicorn 😁
Happy new years my friend!
Dude!! I really appreciate your honesty & humility in this video. It took a lot of guts to tell this story & I agree with your sentiments 100%. I'm a newish rider and currently own a 2019 XT250 and an R3; I love them both. The T7 to me, or the "idea" of a T7 was awesome til I finally threw a leg over one at my local dealership. You could feel that weight bro, plus i was tippy toeing it too lol and I'm no scrawny guy (i don't think) 5'9" 200 pounds BUT yeah I wouldn't want to wrestle that thing on my own in the middle of nowhere as the sun is setting lol. ALOT of people feel the same way you do. Be patient and hold off on your next purchase as Yamaha "should" be unveiling a "mini tenere" with the 321cc parallel twin from the R3 but in a ADV package. The WR250R is no more (discontinued) and something similar or better is bound to replace it soon...
Good day my friend and thank you for the kind words!
The T7 is too heavy, but I think Yamaha knew that most of the people will use it as a tourer, with the occasional hard packed gravel road, to which I think is a very good bike. But as you say, if you drop it, which you eventually will offroad, its a top heavy bike to pick up.
I’ve already purchased my next bike, a DRZ400, and I’ll explain why in further detail in a future video, but one of the reasons is because it holds its worth well in the used marked and I got a great deal on this one i absolutely mint condition. So when Yamaha brings out a tenere 300 (I’ve too heard this rumor, from a Yamaha dealer) or a new WRR, I won’t lose much money on the DRZ. But that can take a few years, and I’m never buying a brand new motorcycle again as I’ve experienced how much you’ll lose with the T7 and all the upgrades.
Ride safe!
@@JohannesDalenMC Awesome!!! The DRZ is a solid choice. Time tested and reliable ;-) You ride safe as well broski. :-D
@@nightfury6836 Likewise broski ;)
Well said. I too respect him for being open and honest. Really cool.
@@oosteveo315 Thank you, I’m overwhelmed by all the kind words. You guys are awesome. Have a nice day and ride safe my friends.
Any of the other motorcycle brands close to the Yamaha 700 cc are weight 10 to 30 pounds different. Is not the bike is what your need are? You can get a150cc maybe ride over that mud but can you take it on a 500 miles Trip?
I love your humble approach and your honesty, and yes, you have made the right decision, lighter bikes are ideal for offroad, even e-mountain bikes that are 25kg are better than any Teneré 700 offroad, try as many bikes as you can and find the one that suits you. I wish you the best of luck motorcycle Viking , and remember to have fun!
Hello Daniel and thanks a lot for the kind words!
I’ve been test riding a few here and there, and quite sure which my next bike will be- it will be at least 60kg lighter than the T7, I can tell you that :D
May I ask what kind of bike(s) you ride?
Ride safe my friend!
Johannes Motorcycle Adventures
Ever consider the Husqvarna 701/ktm 690?
@@istayanonanon1819 Absolutely, its a bike I would love to own one day! I ultimately found them a bit too pricey and ‘too capable’ for my current skill level. I went with a DRZ and I still have money left for a street bike for commuting and highway rides.
Do you own one?
Hey Johannes from Australia. You might check out KTM 500 EXC for mostly dirt and some highway. There are stacks of adventure accessories for KTMs on EBay and online stores. Weight without fuel is about 106kg which gives you lots of scope to build a bike to suit you that weighs a lot less than your T7.
Good luck and ENJOY!
Hello Daryl and thank you for the greetings all the way from Australia! Its on top of my list of places where I want to ride.
The EXC 500 is a mighty fine bike, and I would love to have one that I could build into my dream adventure bike. It was one of the bikes that I was considering, but I ultimately found it too pricey and "too capable" for my current needs. I went with the Australian favorite DRZ400 for a third of the price. I like the fact that it was so cheap, so I dont mind if things break or get damaged when I drop it.
Do you own an EXC 500?
Greetings from Norway and ride safe my friend!
Hi Johannes, I have a 2010 450 EXC that I could never part with. It's purely a dirt bike. I also have a 2016 690 Duke R that is awesome for road riding.
Your DRZ is a good choice. Lots of gear available for it. My first suggestion is get the spring rates right for your weight in your riding gear and set the rider sag correctly.
Happy touring!
When I was shopping for a dirt biased (but streetable) bike last year I started out looking for a T7 and would have bought one if I'd found one... in hindsight I'm glad they weren't available because I ended up with the 701 Enduro instead and quickly learned that weight is king when it comes to this kind of riding (primarily dirt trails with some tarmac on the one end and some singletrack on the other)... and that 100lbs of weight savings is huge.
Even the 690/701 suffer their weight a bit on the really challenging stuff, but if you're looking for a bike you can pack on miles AND ride capably offroad there is no perfect option.
Thanks for sharing your story David - sounds like you made the right choice. As you say, weight is one of the biggest factors when riding offroad. 690/701 isn’t necessarily a light bike, but much lighter than your typical adv bikes. If you go much smaller and weaker in terms of engine power, you’ll begin to really suffer on the highways. I don’t like riding highways, but it’s a necessary evil where I live and ride.
Very honest and very sensible. All the best and enjoy
Hello John, thank you for commenting and thank you for the kind words.
Ride safe my friend!
Hi Johannes, thank you for an enlightening video! I am 100% on your page when it comes to weight of bikes versus it's purpose. I am 61 years old and have been biking for 45 years. I have owned many bikes over the years and currently have 3 motorcycles, and a Vespa 300. Each has it's place, and specific purpose. My BMW GS 1150 Adventure is now my tar & gravel "road bike", my Dakar 650 is "do it all all-rounder", My Honda XL 200 is my light little "off-road/trail riding" bike, and my Vespa is my little "town commuter". As one gets older, shorter, and weaker, the weight of the machine becomes all important. I would dread taking my GS on a technical off-road ride, as much as I'd hate to use my XL200 for a long road trip! I think you are 100% making the right decision to go lighter, if off-road exploring is your thing! Good luck in finding the right bike, and greetings from South Africa!
Good day Neville and thank you for commenting!
Sounds like you have quite the stable, especially the Dakar 650, such an iconic motorcycle. Light is right to a certain degree, for road riding I too would choose big and powerful (if I had a lighter dual sport in the stable).
Thank you for the greetings and ride safe sir.
@@JohannesDalenMCthank you my friend! Stay safe too!
I bought a G310GS for my 60th birthday. I've ridden small displacement dual sport thumpers since 1975 but my serious dual sport riding days are long gone. I want to ride back roads, gravel and dirt roads, but I definitely don't want a heavy bike. That never sounded like fun and at my age, it sounds even less fun.
A friend keeps trying to get me to buy an 850GS. I sat on his and it seemed way too heavy for me.
@@Liberty4Ever Thank you for sharing sir. You already have a very capable and perfectly good bike, personally I wouldn’t upgrade - its a 41 kg heavier bike as well.
Ride safe my friend.
@@nevillecartwright7292 hey neville from a fellow s/ african out of usa how is the maintenance on your bmw. I ride a yamaha star venture and thinking on trading my vtx1800 for the gs.
What Awesome honesty, Great review, wise men learn from listening, this is a lesson in "Want"
Hello Tomas, I appreciate the kind words. Thanks a lot for watching and commenting!
I came to same conclusion with my 800gs. You can do technical trails with it if tractions is good. But when it gets slippery it's just too heavy.
I'm thinking about getting KTM 690 and adding Rade Garage tower and tank to it. 160kg wet should be manageable enough I think.
Hello Alexander and thank you for commenting!
After the CRF300L, the most suggested bike in this video is easily the 690/701. Its a beast of a motorcycle and I would very much like to own one. I ultimately found it a bit too pricey and ‘too capable’ for my current needs, so I bought a used DRZ instead to trash around in the woods while getting better at it.
Ride safe my friend!
@@JohannesDalenMC Nice one, enjoy it!
Ping me if you'll be adventuring in Russia :)
@@alexanderzhulin3528 Thank you! I would love to one day. I’ve never been to Russia, but I was a border patrol between Kirkenes in Norway and Murmansk many years ago :)
Came to the same conclusion with my V85TT and also looking at the 690/701. Had a look at the T700 WR the past days but ultimately its too heavy too. I'm not sure if I shall replace the V85TT or wait until I can afford a second bike. Tough decision. The 890R (with Rally tower) is tempting too.
@@theunheardprophet4315 you can unless road comfort is very important for you. 701 rides more like 80/80% enduto/road bike. And it looks like new models are more reliable than 890.
Johanne,
Last year I bought a crf250l. In winter I swapped it for a 750cc street bike. Now I am waiting for the delivery of the CRF300 Rally. I recommend you to try this one. It's a great all-rounder that will let you drive anywhere. Later this year, I plan to travel the eastern section of Poland TET part.
Good day my friend!
The CRF300L seems to be wildly popular - Everyone recommends it! I will go test ride one once it hits the dealers here in Norway (all sold out instantly), and really consider one if I like it and when its available on the used marked.
The polish TET sounds awesome, I would love to do that one day. Ride safe!
Good video mate. I am looking at the T700 but will probably have a biased towards tarmac vs off road. Have you thought of Honda crf 300 rally?
Hi and thanks for the kind words!
If you’re biased towards the tarmac, you’ll love the T7. The CP2 engine is smooth, predictable and fun. Its not the most comfortable street bike with its long suspension, but surprisingly good with a 21 inch front as well.
I have considered the regular version. The rally is a cool bike and I understand its place, but it has less ground clearance and is heavier (more fuel). I would probably go with the regular and add a bigger tank if I was going that route.
Thanks for the suggestion!
Thanks for honest opinion. Well done! Good luck with your new bike! Actually, planning is the most important thing here, since even tractor can be desperately stuck in mud.
Thank you Vasily!
Yes you are correct, now that I’m a better and more experienced rider, it’s a lot easier to scan the terrain and understand where I should and shouldn’t ride.
Mate a very humble and honest video greatly appreciated. G'Day from Sydney.
Thank you very much for the nice comment my friend.
Wow Australia, how cool. Riding in Australia is very high on my bucket list!
@@JohannesDalenMC Hope you get the chance to enjoy a motorcycle adventure down this way
@@MotoPassport Thank you my friend, please ride safe!
100% with you Johannes. I started with a BMW R1200GSA and have been getting lighter and lighter since. Now going for a Husky 701.
Thank you for watching and commenting. Interesting, check out my other videos - I think you’re in for a little surprise 🙂
Very nice and honest and rational recommendation. Its always man and the machine combo that needs to work... Good luck to you to continue riding and enjoying your rides...We all are on this quest to figure out the balance between the power and ability to manage. The net weight does play out and the CC also makes a difference to the task on hand..
Hello Ajay and thanks for the kind words!
You are absolutely right- its all a compromise. It really depends on what kind of riding you intend to do. I often find myself far from help and in the really tight and technical stuff, so this change made a lot of sense.
Ride safe my friend!
This is a very concentrated answer on the question (task/man/machine), we have to solve!! Well done, thanx!!
People are going to shit on this, but it sounds like you need a DR650 for what you want to do, as long as you're not scared of a carb.
I don’t think they would, the DR was suggested several times! Some time has passed since I made this video, but I ended up buying a DRZ, and that was the perfect bike for my needs at the time. Light, capable and easy to work on.
@@JohannesDalenMC Agreed, i've got one also.
Currently facing a similar situation - and looking at Honda 450 RL as an alternative. I think the hesitation I have is the price point for alternative bikes new, is the same as a T7 new. Feels like a bitter pill to swallow if it's new - so perhaps used market and a different model might be a better option. Good video and ride safe!
Hello Adnan and thank you for commenting!
I think the 450L is a very cool motorcycle, but I found it to be too service intense and too pricey for a motorcycle that I personally will trash around in the woods. I went with a used DRZ for a third of the price. Can’t really compare the two performance wise, but for my use and skill level the DRZ is more than enough. I’m in the market for a second bike though, that will be better on longer highway rides as I’d like to travel down into Europe as well.
Thank you and likewise, ride safe and have a great day my friend!
I was wondering if you tried the Honda CRF450L? I am a WR fan but here in the US, it's not very easy to make the WR250 or 450 street legal even though it comes with a headlight and tail light. It doesn't have the horn or blinkers. I rode a 450L and I much prefer the Yamaha but that's one of the only options in that rage. Additionally, the service intervals for the Honda are more along the line of dirt bike intervals than dual sport/road bikes.
FYI, I bought a Tenere over the Honda because they were basically the same price and I'm not trying to service it every 10 hours. I also have a TW. I rode the 300L and it feels like it has half the power of the WR250 uncorked. I think I'll just add a WR and tow it. I am definitely Yamaha biased as I've owned several and love the reliability in my experience. I noticed you bought a DRZ after reading so I'll check out some of your other videos
Hello there sir, thanks for your question!
I have not ridden the 450L, so I can only judge it by it's specs and from reviews. Honestly I don't understand what Honda really wanted with this bike. It has a small gas tank and very short service intervals, so it's not really a dual sport. But it weighs 131 kg, so it's not really an enduro either. I'm fine with all these things, a bigger tank can be added and the oil changes can be prolonged if you don't race it. But then there's a few other issues, like flame outs and you need to buy an aftermarket ECU to fix the jerky throttle.
I highly suggest you check out EVErides newly released review of the 450L - it doesn't look very good for the 450L to be honest.
Finally a big guy who's honest. If you don't ride with company big bikes are a problem off road. Period.
I would agree when it comes to the 1000+ cc bikes but the T7 is a step above them. Still not an off-road bike but very good on most trails for a rider with moderate skills (worth noting that he is back on a T7 now)
Every motorcycle has limits and I think the T7 is one of the better options out there.
If you know your own limits, the terrain you struggle with and the weight you find heavy, I am sure you can work out the a way out for each situation. Learn more, train more, prepare more. Get better tires.
Going to a lighter motorcycle may not be the best option either, since you will always find new limitations or make compromises. Next time it will be sand, or water or whatever else. You can have the lightest transport method out there but if you hurt yourself there is no way you're getting out of there without help. This time it was deep sticky mud, next time it might be an unreliable motorcycle.
The important matter is to have a reliable tool and be well prepared for the adventure.
I wish you luck in finding a solution that works for you.
:)
maybe in the future, once you are more experienced, you can come back to the Teneré, so don´t worry, be happy and enjoy the woods:)
Oh yes, the T7 has a special place in my heart already. Perhaps Yamaha has released a real Rally version by then, at 150kg with a lower centre of gravity? :)
100% agree with you.I ride a 990 adventure and if money was no object i would replace it with a 701lr rally.
The 990 is such a good looking bike! I would love to ride one, one day.
The 701 is something I’m seriously considering, but at that price range I have to be sure thats what I want. Therefore I bought a used DRZ to try out the whole dual sport thing.
Ride safe my friend and thanks for commenting!
@@JohannesDalenMC you too, ride safe and enjoy the adventure!
do you think mabey the tyers on there or are you hittin wet claggy mud alot?
Hello Anthony, if I understand your question correctly, yes the stock tires on the T7 are not very good, but I did put on more agressive tires after the stock ones wore out. Yes there is a lot of mud in Norway, and we seem to have a lot of that super slippery mud 😅
AJP PR7 probably the best right now new, CCM GP450 if you can get one, or as a leftfield suggestion probably a BMW G450X. the CCM and BMW both use a fantastic ROTAX engine. I carry a pillion so the AJP is just not suitable for me or I would have one now. it is built to be maintainable with seals and bearings of standard sizes and they are all listed with sizes in workshop manual.
Try to find a really nice honda XR 650R that plated. Probably 330 lbs fueled and ready
what's that seat you've got on it? is it any good?
I was in exact same position w my africa twin. Dropped down to a dr650 which is great but old school design and although they are very reliable, it doesn't give me that much confidence given its old carburated design. Looking now to the T7 for a touring/adventure bike. I know it will be an anchor if I get it stuck and I am ok with that limitation. Need to have a small dual sport for that stuff.
My cousin had a wr250r and he went with us on a 8000km trip around Australia in mixed conditions . Bike went well and was surprised how well it also went on the highway
Thanks for sharing Don. The WRR is an interesting bike, but it’s not very common here in Norway. I ended up buying the DRZ instead and I’m very happy with it!
I think that you are wise. I reached a similar conclusion about my Africa Twin. I am 5’4” and I am 66 years old. The Africa Twin is brilliant but now I own a Royal Enfield Himalayan and I am much happier. For you I’d recommend the Honda 300 Rally.
Hello Gerald and thank you very much for commenting!
The AT is a brilliant bike, no doubt about it, but it is very tall and heavy. The RE Himalayan is a beautiful bike. Approachable and not very tall.
The Honda 300 Rally is something I want to take a closer look at once it hits the used market in Norway. I have bought a slightly used DRZ since making this video, and its a perfect test bike to see if I like the dual sport side of adventure riding.
Ride safe sir.
Great story and beautiful self-insight. Yes, the Husky 701 seems like the obvious choice-if it wasn't so expensive. How about a Honda CRF300? Greetings from Denmark!
I recommend taking a look at Suzuki Dr 650. I've been riding it for 5 years including 2 week trips, rally and enduro races and I think this is the most balanced 50/50 dual sport. Pros: stock weight 147 kg, old, known reliable construction from the 90's (some people doesn't like it, but in the long run i'm very happy, doing all the maintenance on my own), tons of tuning on the market. Cons : lack of performance in stock condition. Mine is tuned heavily now and it can compete with modern bikes in races. Stock - not so much
Thank you for your comment- the DR650 is a mighty motorcycle. A few hours ago a guy commented and said his 2014 DR had 297k km on the clock (!!).
I actually bought the DRs little brother, the DRZ. So far I’m really liking it and the old tech doesn’t bother me at all. I just took it apart and back together for a closer inspection and to get to know the bike, its built well and easy to maintain. I guess they are pretty similar.
Where are you from if I may ask?
@@JohannesDalenMC great choice, wish you luck with drz! I had a choice back then between drz and dr but stick with more longer trips than enduro. I'm from Russia, Moscow
@@Stepankurkov04 Thank you!
Moscow, thats cool! I’ve never been to Russia, but I was patroling the border by Murmansk back in the army days.
I know Russia is a vast land, but how is the trails around where you live? Available?
@@JohannesDalenMC Yep, you can pretty much go anywhere in the suburban zone unless it's restricted like reserves. In central region where I live we have mostly forests, fields, swamps with muddy trails, many river crossings and gravel roads. It changes a lot around 1000 km from Moscow in any direction
@@Stepankurkov04 That sounds awesome!
Suggest Honda Trail 125, cheap and light lol
Can you get a CRF300L RALLY?
A bit late to the party my friend - I bought a DRZ and now also have a 701 enduro for longer rides. A lighter bike sure was right for me!
Your comment are correct for learning offroad (only) and exploring tracks a lighter bike is a must.. i learned that the same way as you learned .. now i am riding a V-Strom 650 Xt because i mostly ride touring with that but for offroad i would absolutely follow your lead
Thank you for commenting. The v strom is an awesome bike, I regret selling it. It was such a good and comfortable tourer for a reasonable price.
A v strom and a DRZ would make the perfect stable!
@@JohannesDalenMC Yes.. I agree
Great honest video so rare. Great input. Subscribed.
Thank you very much for the kind words and subscribing my friend, have a great day!
I have heard the Yamaha Tenere 700 is too heavy for off-rode also.
It's only just heavy enough on road really to keep it stable. Remember it's tall narrow with 21/18 wheels
It depends on what you mean when you say «offroad». If you’re talking about gravel roads, I think the weight is fine, bus as soon as you do any trails the weight can be an issue.
@@JohannesDalenMC it's fine on any bike you just ride within it's limitations but that's not good enough for some people. Eventually every bike will get stuck it's just you choose your battles accordingly to what you're riding.
@@chrishart8548 You’re making a valid point Chris! The times that I’ve been stuck or in bad situations with the T7 I’ve taken it places the bike doesn’t belong and/or my riding skills are not good enough to cope with the terrain.
@@chrishart8548 One professional motorcycle industry tester (i.e. bias for a good 👍review) took the Yamaha Tenere 700 on a trip from the US 🇺🇸 to somewhere south of the border _as he does with all his tests of motorcycles._
He found that the Yamaha T7 fell down or "crashed" a lot more than others. This was directly *_due to the heavier weight_* of the Yamaha.
So the Yamaha Tenere 700 needs lighting for trail riding (in his professional opinion). So it is easy to see the Tenere T7s biggest issue 🤔. Not really the trail conditions & not so much the skill of the rider. It is too much 💪weight.
God bless
I am waiting for baby Tenere 400 - 500 ccm. In the mean time, will buy most likely Husqvarna 701.
See my other comment regarding the baby Tenere and the Husky 701 😁
Thanks for your honesty, and for not bagging the bike. It is indeed a great bike, and it is 60Kg lighter than my XTZ1200 Supertenere, so it is fine for me. Horsesw for courses as they say.
It’s not just a great bike, it’s a fantastic one! As an adventure-touring machine with good gravel manners it’s a great bike. I think some of the pro’s using it for enduro in commercials have made people think it’s a heavy dual sport, which it’s not.
Thanks for watching John 🙂
What did you end up doing? You should do a follow-up, if you haven’t already
How about a KLR 650??
DRZ! Looks like you bought one. I've had mine since 2006. I still love it. I can't bring myself to sell it even though I'm about ready to buy a T7.
The change from the T7 to the DRZ is the single biggest game changer I’ve experienced in my motorcycle career - the difference in weight makes it so much better in every aspect besides riding fast in a straight line.
I switched to a 250 from a 650. I was really concerned about not having enough power, but to my surprise it’s not the case.
You have to adapt the roads a bit, but the smaller the road the more fun it is.
Two years in now, I’m still not getting bored.
Highly recommend to give it a shot.
To my surprise even on the highway it’s better than a 600cc single as there are less vibrations.
The only real downside is overtaking on busy large country roads. You can still do it but it needs some planning.
Thanks for chiming in! After I sold this T7, I bought a DRZ400 and that was a game changer for my riding. Became a much better rider, quicker and safer on the smaller bike. Now I have another T7 (😅) for long adventure rides and a 350 enduro bike, so I’m all set!
Digging your vids Nordmenn! Love solid peeps!!!
Getting stuck in the mud is what we all dream about lol... do you have any pic's / vid's on that. I think it would be fun to see.
I too stay away from 48 owner bikes w/ a gazillion miles on them... lmao
I do have a video where my first T7 is completely stuck in mud and I had to call for help to get it out 🫣
Found your video as I am considering T700. I am 6’1, 190lbs and expected to put 260lbs with gears.
3 years experience in riding in the city. I have never done trail or gravel nor dirt.
I am looking at T700 to do long trip most likely doing 60 paved, 40 unpaved. Will be doing some training for 3-4 months before doing long trips.
I wanted crf300l but it seems just not enough power for me to be safe on the highway. Any thoughts?
Hello Kevin, thanks a lot for your question! Like me you’re a big guy and it’s reasonable to think the 300 engine would struggle, especially on the highway. If you’ve never done any dirt or offroad riding, starting out on a 200kg adventure bike is like starting out in the deep end of the pool trying to learn how to swim. The T7 is a great bike for touring and easy gravel roads, but as soon as you reach something a bit more technical you’ll going to struggle with its weight and top-heaviness.
Personally I would have gone with the 300L rally no doubt. I stay away from the highway at all cost. The T7 will be much better going fast in a straight line, but for all else I think the much, much lower weight of the 300L would do you better. It is all about compromise - how much on road comfort and capability are you willing to sacrifice to achieve better offroad capability?
If you said you’d do 90/10 road/offroad, I would have suggested the T7, but 60/40 is dual sport territory.
I highly suggest you test ride both. Best of luck with your purchase Kevin, and please keep me updated 🙂 Ride safe and have fun my friend!
People looking for the perfect unicorn bike for off road and on road just don't realise every extra kilo on the road is beneficial for stability and worse for off road. 150kg max weight for off road 200kg min for on road for decent stability.
You are right Chris, the weight will make it more stable on the highway. The T7 is so easy to ride offroad (I explain why in my review of the T7) that it makes you think its a heavy dirt bike, but its not.
I have a crf250 L and I’m thinking about a T7 but driving 95% on road and 5% muddy ATV trails where I ride it hard
Why not look at the SWM SuperDualX?
I have never ridden one, and frankly never seen a SWM motorcycle in my life, but its looks to be a very good motorcycle based on its specs! The problem is Ive never seen one for sale either, new or used.
Thanks for the suggestion!
I got a crf250l that im learning on for my 2nd year now. Know that there isn't a perfect bike. A tenere will be very comfortable getting to the mud. A crf250l very comfortable once in the mud. Very light for highway. Find your compromise. Good Luck!!
Hello Johannes. I have a question on a different subject. It looks like the exhaust system on your T7 has been rebuilt to run higher. Can you give me a link to this system? The original exhaust is quite exposed and damage is likely in the event of a fall. I wish you the best of luck in your search for a suitable motorcycle. We all know this dilemma 😉
Hello Mike, thanks for watching 🙂
The exhaust I had on my T7 is made by Huzar in Poland. They have a website, but you’ll need a browser that can translate.
It’s much cheaper than all the other options, and I was very happy with mine. The can is actually longer, but I asked to get the short can with the short link pipe.
There is a lot of information if you google «huzar tenere 700» and pick the first link from tenere700 forum with the headline «high exhaust, is it ok? Anyone try one yet?».
I can’t link the page, my comment will get removed. Good luck and feel free to ask away if I can be to more help 🙂
@@JohannesDalenMC Thanks a lot! I'll have a look at the website. Happy trails!
@@SirHollywood Thank you and good luck with youe T7 😁
I wanna buy 2022 one and it will be my second bike (first crf rally) i cant make hard off road i just wanna go long roads sometimes using bad roads is it my bike ?
Without a doubt, yes. The T7 will be perfect for the kind of riding you describe 🙂
I have a Tiger 800 XCx and came to a similar conclusion, to the off road I do and want to do it is way too heavy.
I didn't see the Tiger, it is a great bike and serves now to its intended purposes - ADV Touring with light off road
If I want to go RTW the smooth, powerful and comfortable Tiger is the choice.
So I got a Husqvarna 701 Enduro. What a fantastic dual sport. It does everything, very versatile. I ride with friends that have 250-450 and I keep up with them just fine in any terrain. On road they have no chance keeping up with me. The 74 hp single is a beast.
Changed the heavy exhaust to Titanium, installed a lighter and powerful LiOn battery, and a fantastic Seat Concepts.
I'm 6'5 like you, 105kg and the 701 looks like a 450 with me. When I sit on a 450 it looks a 250.
I think 250 cc is too small for you, you will be over correcting from the T7 - too extreme. You're a big guy. 450 cc is very good choice but on road it will not really be a good solution for medium+ distances.
Which brings me back to the 690/701/700 (pick your color - orange/white/red): A ~320 lbs bike (after upgrades) with 74hp, a big chassis for tall people. Can go 95 mph on road one minute then do a single track the other.
Just put good off road tires (e.g. Pirelli Scorpion XC) and you'll be smiling all day long.
Thanks for the advice! I was planning to switch to a T7 next year! 😅
Thanks for watching!
The T7 is a fantastic bike in so many ways, I would highly suggest you test ride one anyways.
What kind of bike do you have and what are you looking for?
Happy new year by the way 🙂
@@JohannesDalenMC Sure it is a fantastic bike, but as you pointed out, rough terrain is not it´s specialty . Last week I involuntarily traveled through an area wrecked with heavy rain, and despite my Honda 160 trail machine not being a lightning, I managed to get it out of a deep canal that had carved its way into the dirt road all by myself after the engine stopped running. It weighs just 120 kg. I´ll better stay with it! Have a great new year!
@@tabuleirocmd My friend I'm sorry I haven't responded to your last comment. I just found it in the "possible spam" folder, and had to approve it, I don't know why but it has happened a lot lately..
Sounds like a light bike is the way to go for you too then 😁 Have a great year you too!
Cheap price? Suzuki DR 400 or DR650.
I stopped riding ten years ago but I used to ride an XTZ750 (daily commuting and touring) which is a very similiar weight to a T7 although obviously by comparison, it was a stone age machine. Nonetheless modern motorcycle design can only disguise 200 kgs/450 lbs up to a certain point. I'm a very big muscular fellah and on the two separate occasions when I (carelessly) dropped my XTZ on tarmac, it was a huge physical challenge to get the thing upright again on my own and the thought of having to lift it more than once within a 24 hour period still gives me the shudders! There are so many YT vids available showing off the amazing skills of folk such as *Birch,* *Tarres* and *That Guy on an Africa Twin* as well as many much less capable dirt riders; this creates a false impression in too many people's minds regarding the true practicality of these 200kg/450lb behemoths on the dirt. *Mr Johannes* speaks powerful words of wisdom. Riders are buying into motorcycle manufacturers' unrealistic dreams. The only way to get the full value for money out of the truly massive capability of today's big ADV bikes is to spend good money receiving a lot of good quality professional off-road training. Otherwise *ride with a friend.*
Bless you bro for your humble and honest reflections. Ya man weight is really important. Doesn’t matter how skilled you are when you end up in some shitty situation . I am 65 know and been on bikes since I was 14years
Young And the overweight Adventure bikes are a plague and one should not go alone with them off-road. When something happens even a 100 kg bike can be overwhelming when alone.
It is very easy to get caught in the situation you describe and I have been
there even with big road bikes on dirt roads. One time one a gravel road I ended under my 200 kg Laverda 1000
In a deep ditch which luckily was almost dry. It took me a couple off hours to get lose an wrestle /drag the bike up and the push start it . And same with light motocross bikes out in nature struggling for hours on my own. I feel that it’s a risk you take when being on your own that you might not make it specially if you get injured But that’s is life and makes it more challenging and rewarding when
you can look back and share with friends. I know the feeling of despair when struggling alone for survival but have also the great memories of surviving and that gives me a beautiful
foundation for to continue living fully and Not give in for fear and ageing.
Today I ride a overweight Yamaha 660
and a 300kg Honda Pan Europe and I am still pushing the limits as I always has been doing. Just go for it brother.
😉🙏👍
500 EXCF is the way to go. Don’t believe the KTM haters, here is a quick summary. Oil changes, for easy trail riding 2500km is no problem. For reliability, read of Kiwi Aaron Steinmans 140,000 round the world trip with no mechanical issues. Since the 2013 models came out, incredibly reliable motor with many riders not requiring valve adjustments for hundreds of hours. Re luggage, Giant Loop or Moscow Moto reckless, bigger tank, being 198cm you don’t need to have the travel lowered but it is easily done. Maybe a stiffer rear spring, definitely better lights and raise the gearing, 15/45 is OK. Fully loaded for camping, 155kg!
I absolutely do not believe the KTM haters - There’s more issues with them, its that simple, but they are stressed, high performance machines, so I understand it!
An adventurized EXC 500 sounds like a wet dream. Expensive, but seriously capable. Perhaps in the future when my skills evolve?
Is Yamaha planning a bike to rival the Honda 300L?
Million dollar question right there, Charlie!
The Yamaha dealer who sold me my T7 said he heard rumours about a Tenere 300, using the mt03 engine. That would be competing more with the Versys 300, crf300l rally and ktm 390 though.
I hope they are planning a WR350-400R, that would have been awesome, but it would have been very expensive as well, when you look at how they priced the WR250R.
@@JohannesDalenMC that's interesting. I hadn't heard any of that. Thanks 👍
@@charliem5332 If you are interested in lightweight adv motorcycle news and rumours, I suggest you follow Chronicles of Solid from Australia :)
Hi, like your videos. I have a suggestion...
Keep the T7 and fit a small ATV winch to pull yourself out.
Hello Nick and thank you for the nice words and the suggestion!
A winch would have solved the problem, no doubt. I’m struggling to explain exactly why, but I feel that if one needs a winch to get out of certain situations, perhaps one is riding the wrong bike for that kind of riding? Does what I’m saying make any sense?
KTM 690 is a great combination of power, weight, and rideability. I do understand your issue with cost. I wish you the best.
690/701 is a very interesting machine. Its a bike I will take a closer look at when/if I feel the need to upgrade my newly acquired DRZ. Thank you for the wisher, ride safe Bryan!
I have enough trouble pulling out my 01' kx125 out of sticky mud, especially if there's a hill or incline on the back or front side. Couldn't imagine even attempting that with double the weight. XD
The WR250 R is an amazing bike! You had solid reasons to sell the T7.
T7 is over 200kg, it's 206kg and if you have additional things, crash bars, fog light etc. weight go over 220kg, I know because I have xt660r, stock 184kg but with top case and central stand, fog light, alarm, crash bars etc. it's over 200kg, probably around 205kg!!
Yeah the T7 is very heavy if you take it on the trails, but the strange thing is that while its moving, it actually feels a lot lighter. It’s when you stop and the bike begins to lean you feel the weight. Those 200kg comes crashing down incredibly fast if you’re not paying attention!
It must be tough being rich, you have take care of too many bikes and other hobbies
I traded my T7 for a new ktm 690 enduro r, T7 is a very good bike but it's simply outclassed by the 690: much lighter, much better power to weight ratio, far superior component.
Thanks for the comment John, thats very interesting. The 690/701 has been suggested many times, and its a machine I’m going to take a closer look at in the future. Right now I found it a bit too capable and pricey for my current needs, thats why I went with the DRZ.
Ride safe my friend!
For your size, the KTM 690 Enduro or Husqvarna option 701 could be good. They are a bit tall for me.
Hello Ron, thanks for the suggestion!
Both bikes were high on my list, but I ultimately found them a bit too expensive. I bought a used DRZ and been loving it ever since!
Ride safe.
Great review man. You're a natural 👍
Thank you Darragh, that means a lot! Ride safe my friend.
Absolutely- I went from a 370 lb underpowered 310GS to a 350 lb DR650, and now a 300 lb CRF450. Lighter is better for everything but Interstate
Reasuring to hear I’m heading in the right direction. I’m sure you’rr very happy with the crf450- any reason you went with that vs its competitors? Thanks for commenting.
@@JohannesDalenMC - the DRZ was a contender- but I wanted to get away from carburetor tech as I have a lot of elevation change from month to month. I love the beta 430 - smooth as butter but still responsive and the Husky 500 - less aggressive as the KTM 500. But both those have no real subframe and I like to do 2-6 day camping rides and wanted a more substantial subframe for my gear. If not hauling 50-60lbs of gear - I would have gone for the beta or husky.
@@314adv Where do you live with these altitude changes if I may ask?
When/if the DRZ is going to be replaced, I will take a closer look at several of the bikes you mention. They are all high performing bikes and I’m more of a relaxed, exploring kind of guy. But, you never know what the future brings. When I bought the T7 I really thought I’ve found the bike that I would keep forever.
@@JohannesDalenMC - I live in Missouri, USA around 540ft above sea level - but I like to travel a lot and end up in Colorado, Kentucky, etc - so I ride between 0 ft sea level and 10,000 ft sea level. My DR650 would struggle with the changes - so figured the DRZ400 would be similar. The DRZ is a solid and reliable bike that can do anything I ride. The CRF450 is wound strung and high maintenance. If they had 400 fuel injected with solid subframe and adv maintenance intervals- I would switch.
@@314adv Thats awesome! I’ve always had this affection for USA. I would love to ride through the states and explore your enormous country. Perhaps not on a DRZ though, hehe.
I dont understand why Honda didn’t tune down the engine of the CRF450L to start with. Honda reliability, great suspension and easy maintenance- it would have sold like hotcakes!
The version we get in Norway is only 23bhp and costs the same as the T7 and more than a 500 EXC.
For you Husquarna 701 or Ktm 690r
Hello Goran and thanks for your suggestion!
They are both awesome bikes, but I do find them a bit pricey. A dual sporter from japan will be at least half the price, but also half the bike, but I’m a beginner/intermediate. Perhaps something like that in the future?
You’d love the 690 or 701. I went from a Vstrom 650 to a WR250R to a 690. The 690 is my unicorn. Same price as T7, same horse power but 50 kg lighter. So amazing off road, fantastic fun in the twisties and just fine on the highway. Worth double the WR250R as it’s double the bike.
@@glossblack1098 I hear you my friend! How long have you had it for and has there been any issues with it?
@@JohannesDalenMC I bought it new in April 2021. Have done 2500 km in Australia. No issues at all.
@@glossblack1098 Thats awesome - riding in Australia seems so cool! From the videos it looks like a riding paradise!
Ride safe my friend!
You was having a 700cc with 320km of range, if you want to keep that power and a good range, I suggest a "cheap used" KTM 690 enduro R, 322 lbs / 146 kg, Husqvarna 701(same motorcycle)... With DRZ4000, or WR, or CRF250L, you'll have only 150km of range, and not enough power compare to your Tenere, you will not like it!(I had 3 of them DRZ) I suggest the CRF300 Rally as well(400km of range), Maybe a CR500X(500km od range!!) with a Rally Raid modification... BMW GS310 is good too and really fun! Good luck!
Hello Pat, thanks a lot for chiming in!
After I sold the T7 I bought a DRZ, which I still own and love for what it is, but it did lack some highway capability - so around a month ago I bought a brand new 701 enduro 😁 so I did follow your suggestion, just in advanc. If you check out some of my other videos you’ll see that I’m kitting out my 701 to be a perfect adventure bike.
Thanks 🙂
@@JohannesDalenMC Wow happy to ear that! I had 3 DRZ400, really loved the bike, exept for the range, I put an IMS tank on one of them, but its not very cute, compare to a 701 lol! I had a GS650 too, GS310, Scrambler Ducati... My last one was the KTM 690 2015, and I think I will buy a brand new one this year! Congrat for your 701, really good choice, we think the same! Its the better compromise for adventure!!! (KTM 690 got a USB port, and a little bigger tank, compare to the 701, so lets see!)
I hope you would reconsider the WR250R, better technology and less maintenance, very light weight,
Thanks for the suggestion - I’ve never ridden the WRR myself, but I’ve heard a lot of good things about it. I went with a DRZ, mainly because of the extra power and torque.
I guess you changed the stock tires. Did You ?
Hello Marco!
I used the stock tires for my TET trip, but when I got home I changed to a set of Motoz tires. The ADV one in the back and the RallZ in the front. Huge improvement in the dirt, but a big loss on tarmac.