Is the Tenere 700 REALLY better than the NEW KLR650? Comparison
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- Is the Tenere 700 REALLY better than the NEW KLR650? Comparison
KLR650 vs Tenere 700
With the updates to Kawasaki's venerable KLR650, is it a viable alternative to the more modern Yamaha Tenere 700? What are the ups and downs of each? What are the advantages the KLR has over the T7 and vice versa? We take a deep dive into the differences that will matter to adventure riders.
#klr650 #tenere700 #advrider
00:00 Intro
01:40 KLR Advantages
03:27 T7 Advantages
03:43 Engines
05:47 Suspension/Brakes
08:39 KLR Problems
11:55 Yamaha Problems
13:00 Maintenance/Reliability
14:00 Conclusion
2022 KLR650 Specs:
Power: 40 HP , Torque: 40 FT-LB
Wet Weight: 456 lbs (base)
Seat Height: 34.3 inches
Ground Clearance: 8.3 inches
Susp Travel: 7.5 inches
Fuel Cap/Range: 6.1 Gallons / 300 miles (480 km)
MSRP (USA): $6,699 Base
2022 Tenere 700 Specs:
Power: 72 HP , Torque: 52 FT-LB
Wet Weight: 450 lbs (base)
Seat Height: 34.6 inches
Ground Clearance: 9.5 inches
Susp Travel: 8.0 inches
Fuel Cap/Range: 4.2 Gallons / 200 miles (320 km)
MSRP (USA): $9,999 Base
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I think if I hear the phase, "The power and torque is very linear", one more time I am gong to flip out.
The power and torque is were “ straight line like”, or the power and torque is very point a to point b
T7 may be the bike that you want, but the KLR is probably the bike that you need.
for many people that is true!
So true.
Not true. I don't need the vibrations, the lack of horsepower, the wallowy suspension. I need the T7!
@@flyingtigers7856 what you need is to stop being a wuss
Not. The Yamaha is far superior and it doesn’t require the Expensive Doohickey Fix in order to live as long as you’d expect for your investment.
I was at my local pedal bicycle shop recently and a top end mountain bike with battery assist was listed for $12k CDN. Made both the KLR and the T7 seem like a steal!
I bought the KLR a few weeks ago. I’m really enjoying it coming from a DRZ400. I waited for a T700 for a few years. Ever dealership that got one was given me an out the door price of well over $14k. And none lasted long at that price. I wasn’t interested in the KLR at all and was very disappointed with Kawasaki’s updates. But when my dealership got three in on the first week they were released I took one for a test drive. Every point you made about the KLR is spot on. I would rather have the T7 but for my needs the KLR makes more sense. It’s is a hobby and I will enjoy the KLR just as much for my needs. After pricing crash bars, luggage options, spair parts, and other travel needs I’m really glad I picked the KLR. The KLR quality is a little disappointing but you do get what you pay for. Thanks for your videos!
14k is ridiculous. You can buy a new Chevy Spark for that amount. Late last year I came across T7s priced just under $11k OTD and I still thought that it was expensive for what it is (MT-07 based).
Awesome
Yeah, the KLR is a great machine (if you're not concerned about road performance, particularly speed) specifically because of its cost. It's entirely competent, and an EXTREMELY good value.
I will say, it's wierd, as they hold resale value significantly, but they're so cheap that it seems there's litter reason to buy a used one when a brand new one (under warranty!) is so inexpensive.
How much out the door for the klr
Man, got the new 2022 KLR because it's still a big thumper !
Great no nonsense comprehensive breakdown on these bikes. You’ll go far, keep it up!
Wow, from the man, the myth, the legend Yammie Noob! Thanks!
I don’t always read the comments but watch all your videos and really appreciate your opinions and I am wondering if you will do a PanAm one not that I am a Harley fan but I am kinda intrigued by the that bike. Thanks 🙏
@@BigRockMoto
Now that you said that, his hemlet isn't going to fit next time he puts it on.
Kind of like you went far after hitting that Porsche?
If yammie likes you, I'm subscribing.
The main issue with the Tenere 700 is the utter lack of availabilty and severe mark-ups. Yamaha simply isn't making enough to go around, especially with all the supply chain issues going on.
It's not so bad now. I mean, there's a bunch in dealerships right now here in Alberta at MSRP. Just bought one myself a month ago or so - was actually in the dealership to see if they had a used DR650 or DRZ400 at a good price, and saw the T7 just chilling on the showroom floor. There's still a bunch around.
@@Wintersdark that's not the case in my area of the US. No dealerships had one in stock within 500 miles of where I live. If one did, it was gone the day they put it on the floor. Eventually I said enough, and bought a used Africa Twin instead.
Most people pre-ordered them, after that COVID hit and disrupted production.
@@Wintersdark There are 0 T7's available in CA for months and months. I rode an 890R and bought it quickly,amazing bike. There arent a bunch around in the US. Yamaha wouldnt even take a deposit on one.
@@bradsanders6954 I mean, I just bought one without a deposit off the sales floor, and there's still some in dealerships between here (Calgary) and Edmonton. For sure there's not many and like everything (even Groms!) It's a PITA to get one, but not impossible if you're willing to travel.
Got my (first motorcycle) 2003 KLR for $1750 on craigslist in 2018 and took it on a solo 80 day, 6000 mile road trip around the western United States in 2019. Rode 200-300 highway miles on many days and rode single track to camp on BLM land/ National forest a majority of the time. I ran into a fuel leakage problem in Idaho that had to be addressed but never any issues with oil burn. I truly love this cheap do-everything-well-but-do-nothing-great beater machine.
All that being said, the T700 seems like a mature upgrade to make as I've learned more about bikes and respect the experience. Necessary? I don't think so. More enjoyable? Almost undoubtedly. Either way, I'm glad I started with The Pig.
I bought a 14.5 KLR new in '15, and sold it in '18. It was a great bike, but not particularly exhilarating. One 20-minute demo (in town) was all I needed to make up my mind on a T7. The Tenere *wants* to be ridden, the KLR merely tolerates being ridden.
I want them both
The klr is clearly more durable. Its got less cylinders for something to go wrong and will struggle to pull to 100mph but it costs less so acrually you can beat on it and the money you lose from depriciation will be less
@@TheAnnoyingBoss Hundreds of thousands of oil-burning KLRs beg to differ.
The real question for me is the '22 KLR vs CB500X. The addition of fuel injection on the KLR took away the main advantage of the CB for me. As someone mostly looking for a lightweight moto camping bike a T7 is expensive overkill.
If your doing more road miles and not leaving pavement much, you may appreciate the smoother parallel twin. There’s also Versys. If your more into dirt, people go moto camping with dual sports like the dr-z400 and the CRF.
If the 500 was a 650. The stock klr has a larger stock seat than basically anything though.
You obviously do your home work very well ! ! ! I love the way you explain and illustrate your ideas ... combined with your experience, it makes your review the "one of a kind" !!! Thanks again ! !! NB: you could ask yamaha for your share ... I just got a Tenere 700 also because of you ;-)
Well this guy has owned almost every adventure bike in the market haha
i have a 1700 cc Road King and a 2022 KLR. both bikes bring a smile to my face when i ride. the KLR takes me alot more places much slower and I soak in every step of the journey. The Road King is for the CA freeways, 80 mph all day long and the cars hear me coming a half mile away :)
I bought a 2022 KLR650 Adventure and I love it. It's motorcycle number 10 in my garage currently and I have no regrets whatsoever. And yes, it does just fine with interstate highway travel.
Great comparison video review! You made it very clear and concise and explained the issues with the KLR and possible remedies for them. Very helpful, thanks
This is the best review I have ever seen! Trully, straight to the point, pros, cons, prices and a final opinion. Simply amazing, congrats!
Your reviews are professional and informative. Thanks for the work you put into these.
Great Review! I liked the back and forth riding view from both models at the beginning. Would like to see more of that in the future to help me compare without the music so I can hear the engines.
Nice work Ian!…We ALL appreciate the serious effort you put into your videos and this one was no exception!…Thx again!👍👌😉
Definitely one of the best bike reviews I have seen. You did a great job covering both the positives and the negatives of the KLR. It's price is definitely attractive, but where and how you plan to ride make a huge difference. Keep up the good work.
I have ridden KLRs for 17 years. When you described it as 'dog slow' approx 4.25 into video, I laughed my head off. That is the biggest understatement I have heard. I rode a new KLR for 200 kms and it was UNINSPIRING and boring. A big disappointment I couldn't wait to get off and decline any further ride offers, left that for the professional journalists. Having ridden a T7 for a week, it is worth twice the price of a KLR - especially when both are very similiar weights. Kawasaki missed the boat with improving the bike - this is the model they should have released in 2007 - NOT 2022! Good to see honest comments re bike faults as well. Myself, I'm more than happy with my new 900 Rally Pro. Pricey but AWESOME.
I received a KLR as a gift when my best friend died. This helped me see its strengths and weaknesses.
Thanks Ian. Great and thoughtfull analysis!! Bottom line: "both will take you to the same place!", however, it is obvious your preference with the better performance, quality and ride experience of the T7!
I have a relaible KLR, but being 5'9", my only concern was the T7's seat height. Now that you show seat hights are moreless similar, just can't wait it to arrive!!
Greetings from Bolivia's mountains.
Super comparison Sir.. i really loved it.. i'm a fan of the T7 but you pointed out some good and bad for both of the bikes.. Well done .. Nailed it in my opinion!! Hi from Italy
Great video. You review these bikes in a way that we rookies understand. I just bought a 2015 KLR with a lot of upgrades. New suspension equipment, doohickey, thermabob, fenders, bars, exhaust so I’m very fortunate that everything was done for me. That 2022 KLR does look awesome though
I own a klr 650 with which I did Patagonia Chile and Argentina with.. I found it a dork of a bike, I called it El Tractor.. Then I bought an old Suzuki Freewind 650 wich I done up with better springs and so on. WHAT A FANTASTIC MOTORCYCLE.. You will only believe when you have ridden it.. do not tell everybody, because they will all be after this bike.. because they are dirt cheap..
This is definitely the video that i need, thank you so much for been so impartial
Thank you for such a good video. It was between the 2022 KLR and T7. The T7 was available to me first so I jumped on the opportunity. In NC it was $9,999 and $11,200 out the door and of course on top of that the Bark Buster, crash bars, etc. The list is endless. I have to say your T7 build is the best I've seen. What a badass looking bike.
Big singles “burning” oil. My 2007 KTM 525 EXC ran low on oil (no damage though) during a 2+ hr. highway run of 60+ mph.
Some research (much of it KLR riders’ input) is that the crankcase oil mist might be pumped out. Either to atmosphere or into the airbox.
My solution: a one-way valve in the breather hose. It allows excess pressure out, yet no vacuum can pull air in. Thus, the crankcase is under negative pressure during part of a crank revolution.
That worked great for me.
Great channel! Thanks.
Great video. I bought a T7 this summer since I would need to spend more time on the highway...Ive been super pleased with mine.
Great job, Ian, you are really coming into your own in terms of how professional and comfortable you are in front of the camera compared to stay a year ago (I will not speak to the bikes themselves, as there are already tons of comments as to the merits of each bike)--it has been a pleasure to watch you progress. You do superb reviews, hitting the high points of at least what I would want to know if I was considering either of these bikes, and you seem so relaxed and comfortable in front of the camera. I cannot imagine how much time it takes to write, produce and edit these videos, but you are doing fantastic work--keep up the great work!
thank you it means a lot
Excellent video! Thanks for the fair and informative points.
Exellent comparison. Great job. The graphics on the Tenere is one of the nicest I have ever seen.
You got sharp in the focus of each bike. Very good comparison. Thanks
This has got to be my favorite ADV bike channel. So much information. So much detail. I never have a question that isn’t addressed and usually he asks way more questions than I would ever think to. Great channel.
Glad you enjoy it!
Mate, I'm a 49yr old aussie, and I reckon that the klr650 is the dt175 of adventure bikes, sure there's better bikes on offer in the same range but with the right rider you may not come in first, but you won't come in last!
Really enjoy your videos. I live on the other side of the desert near the Sierra Nevada mountain range. I truly love adventure riding and exploring new area.
Very informative video. Thank you. I got lucky with my 1999 KLR. I've had absolutely no oil consumption issues (I've pushed it pretty hard) and I replaced the doohickey soon after I bought it 😁
Very well done video, with all the information presented in a very balanced manner. I`m not interested one bit in these two bikes, but I know what I would get if I bought either one of these.
Outstanding compared to other content was the discussion of known flaw, maintenance, and the lack of the TFT Display, LED indicators etc. etc. is missing. Thanks for that.
Nice video! I'm glad I found your channel! I'm a life long rider that is making a change from street back towards my roots of dirt. The KLR is in my sights. Your videos have been very helpful! AND... this one actually ROCKED at the end!!! ;-)
excellent video. thank you for the details and thoughtfulness
Sir. You have some of the best videos on all of RUclips - excellent clear speaker and very informative. Thanks for posting. Greetings and respect to all from Durango Mexico 🇲🇽
thanks
Good job Ian, i am looking forward for your review of the fall trip that u r on. I am curious about the performance of the bike on that long trip highway riding and offroad experience....👍👍👍👍👍
What a wonderful comparison between these two bikes.! Excellent, well researched information that is worthy of these two bikes! Very impressive, as clearly you put a lot of effort into this amazing video! Thanks so much for all that you present to someone interested in these bikes. Ride with Peace from Texas.
Great video quality and very solid content! Two bikes worthy of a test ride soon.
Great video. Useful, Actionable information. Thanks!
I love these late night video drops. I work offshore on a supply vessel and these videos get me through a night watch! Can't wait to get home and ride my motorcyces. Another great video Big Rock!
As far as this debate goes. There is no debate. The T7 is absolutely worth the money. I owned a KLR for years and I still have PTSD from pushing that pig through tough off-road and getting shaken to death on the highway. I've also had the chance to ride my buddies T7 and it was incredibly smooth. I'll be search for a T7 in the future.
I 💯👍suffer from "KLRPTSD" 😫. It's ugly, Its real and I'll never be the same ever again
😭waaa!
help🙏,
PO of an 08 Gen 2 oil burner .
@@PaydayGabeBCNV Oh yeah the 08 burned oil real bad. I blew up an XR650L from riding it on the highway and not checking the oil. Big singles eat oil up!
Thanks Ian, great review. We really appreciate it! Kindly, Dennis
Nice, very comprehensive comparison.
Thanks
One of the best, if not the best reviews I’ve experienced, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent review, much appreciated. Thank you!
Thanks again Ian, appreciate the metric data
Really liked the objective comparison. Well done🤘
Great review of both bikes. As an original owner of a 2006 KLR650, that I still ride as much as possible, I am very well aware of ALL of its short comings, and you covered pretty much all of them. The bike has served me well, taking me above the Arctic Circle both on the Dalton Highway, and through the Yukon and the Northwest Territory to Inuvik, averaging 50mpg the entire trip. Up there, on the gravel and chip sealed roads, only a fool needs to ride super fast, so the KLR worked great.
Get it on the highway, and it SUCKS! But the bike was never meant to be a Goldwing. Prior to the KLR, I rode a BMW R100GS/PD to and from Alaska twice, once in 1998 and again in 2005. Amazing highway bike that stayed planted in all but the highest wind storms. But, get it off-road, and it was an 800# Gorilla with a mind of its own. It was also an extremely expensive bike to work on. The cost of the most simple part would make your butt pucker!
I’d been following your reviews of the Africa Twin, and was surprised to see that you sold yours. Now you have me intrigued with the Yamaha 700 Tenere. The AT search may have ended. I’ll soon be 73, and I don’t need a super heavy bike with more horsepower, gadgets, and wizardry than I’d probably use. Best thing about the KLR is that it’s as simple as a brick. But on the negative side, it’s as slow as one, as well.
Thanks for the thorough review!
Thabks for posting
Great comparison video! Really like your honest, down-to-earth, zero-bias, zero-sales-pitch style.
thanks
Great comparison and great videos ! Can’t wait for you to evaluate and compare the new middleweight adv like the transalp / vstrom and 790.
Check your conversions , 6.1 us gallons is about 23 liters and 4.2 us gallons is something like 16 liters .
Great comparison! Currently own a 2018 ATAS and have considered selling for the T7 a few times.
Thanks for being fair, and presenting the good, bad, and the ugly. I'd like to hear about maintenance accessibility/ease or issues. They can be deal breakers.
Man, that T7 is beautiful! Congrats on that and in your videos. As for me the greatest difference is exactly the engine. The capacity to cruise at a great speed confortably without that feeling that you are blowing up your engine. I have a old XTZ660 and that is the main thing i miss, and i'm pretty sure the KLR is just like that (or even worse as i don't recall my bike to throtle up so slowly as that, but can be only bad judgement from my side)
Very objective and concise comparison - thank you.
Great video and info, great clear footage, great mic, Ian emits excellence, great work! I definitely want a T7 but currently enjoying my $3500 Xr650l after years with the 1190 advr
Why did you switch from 1190 to XR650?
That crickets segment. So funny! 😂
You are brilliant at this, thanks
Great, very professional review. Thank you!
That is a nice comparison! If people cannot decide after that video, I don't understand. Good job, keep up.
There's 3.8 litres in a US gallon and 4.5 litres in a UK (imperial) gallon - the T7 has a 16litre tank
Or roughly a 160 mile range if you dont get on it too hard. Gotta carry gas.
Excellent comparison video . I had a similar decision to make between the new Africa Twin standard version with DCT or the new Yamaha Tenere 700 . Was more my skill set than price but that was a major factor in me getting the Tenere .
Another very well presented video! Thank you for all the content you put out we all appreciate it. Out of curiosity, what was your day job before this? I can tell it attributes to your youtube content lol
Wonderful comparison, you are not technically boring THANK YOU
Great comparisons- very informative, but you asked for questions...
Is there any great difference in the seating geometries ?
This is easily your best video. Well done and thanks for making it.
Glad you liked it!
Enjoyed your guidance. Don't rag on a product you have not ridden as some do.
Great video as normal for you Ian! Well done, and very informative. Would be interesting to see what the servicing costs for those valve adjustments are, some bikes it is a simple pop the cover off and go, vs others that require all sorts of new parts when you crack a seal on a cover. Great Video!
Great suggestion!
Very well stated. Thanks for your insights.
Love the way you get right to it. I wish more reviewers were like that. Nice job 👍
I appreciate that!
Excellent video! Thanks!
Absolutely fantastic vlog, keep it up
A very compelling review that no one else is doing... thanks & Cheers!
thanks
Great review as always Ian! Thoughts on Honda crl300 rally? Have you done a video on entry level adventure bikes? I’m short and light… 5-7 . 165 lbs ideas? Love your videos!
Another good video Ian. You give very detailed and informative explanations about everything. That's why I love your channel! I live in Indonesia and unfortunately the Tenere 700 costs, wait for it, 3 times more than in the US! The high price is due to very high import taxes here and the fact that there is only one dealer here that sells the bike. (Yamaha Indonesia don't stock it). That would be my dream adventure bike but sadly it is just too expensive... I roll with a CRF 250 rally at the moment which I do enjoy riding though.
Great comparo. The crickets were funny!
Great review as ever. Thanks for you time. Subbed.
Excellent review. Thanks to you I’ve decided to buy both! 😎👍
Nice comparison here. Thank You. I’m 65 years old and have parked my road bike for various reasons. I just bought a new KLR in July. I think another factor to consider is how long you plan to ride your bike. 🤔
I’m very happy with my bike in the first 700 miles.
I’m curious for your perspective of the comparison between your very nicely upgraded T7 with a bone stock T7. Perhaps that’s an idea for a future video?
Wow! Very informative. Nice job
Great video and analyst. I agree buy within your budget and don't be bummed because you can't buy an expensive bike because with expensive bikes comes expensive maintenance and they are not necessarily more reliable either. You can have fun on practicality any bike.
Excellent I really enjoy your channels. (From Vancouver Island).
Thank you for another great video.
Hola BRM, regards from Honduras, congratulatios on this great vídeo.
I'll like to see a comparison betwin the Honda CB 500 x and the Kawasaki KLR 650.
Same price and horse power...
Please let me know.
I appreciate your "low-key" approach. This video was useful. I have a suggestion, or request, rather, can you comment on which bike, in this case, would be better for a couple. Like many people, I'm married and I do like to bring my wife on motorcycle rides/adventures. Thanks! 👍
PS: Between these two bikes, I believe I know the answer, because of the suspension and power differences. It would not only be helpful in this review, but with most bikes you review. Keep up the good work and I will watch (new subscriber). 😀
Good comparo. I am looking at these two bikes but still very happy with my Kawasaki Versys X300.
The best review as always
Thank you
What a great review! Congrats.
T7 is better but KLR does the job too. Two great bikes.
Love your videos. I'm pretty much sold on the T7. My first bike was an FZ-07 and damn I enjoyed that bike!
Thank you. Had a bmw F800GS for 10 years. Used it everyday to go everywhere but it was mostly an urban bike. Just downgraded to honda 300xre and i feel very disappointed although i must admit its great in traffic and i love the suspension. Ive been searching Everyday to try to decide to change it for a klr or a tenere. You just made my day! Thank you again
Another great video Ian. I chuckled at your comment that the KLR oil consumption is unacceptable for a modern bike because the KLR is anything but a modern bike! I hate the phrase but the KLR is what it is. I'd really like to trade my AT for a T7 but like Larry Tucker mentioned below, they're essentially unavailable, at least in Cali. Keep the great content coming, and I hope the RUclips channel is working out for you.
Great information 👍🏾I like your video.Very helpful. My choice is definitely the Yamaha T700. Your Ténéré looks really really good. I think the T700 will keep me satisfied for the next 15 to 20 years. Side note. We have earthquakes over here too, pretty big ones sometimes.
Man, got the new 2022 KLR base model no abs, it weighs 456 lbs with six gallons of fuel, it's a hoot to ride !
460lbs*
@@YourLocalRaccoon man, my bad it's 456 lbs !
@@markcollins5026 all good, don't want to accidentally spread the wrong info, ya know. The dr650 is actually 360lbs tho
Great review, subscribed!
I put the ebc 320mm rotor on my klr and it improved the braking 100x.
Thank you for that. greetings from Mexico