Honda Transalp 750 vs Yamaha Tenere 700 On and Off Road Comparison Shootout
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As much as i respect Yamaha's efforst to make a more dirt oriented ADV, at the end of the day, its still an ADV. If hairy offroading was my aim, i would be looking at the wr450 or something similar. As far as ADV touring goes, i just think the Trans Alp offers more, and for less money.
I think that this is what Honda was aiming for with this bike.
The definition of ADV depends on the person. I would not be comfortable taking the TA where my T7 goes but my EXF can’t ride to. I am glad that Honda picked a different target audience to fill in the road biased gap. Good for the consumer.
Both great bikes , but for me the transalp would be better as do more road riding. Been researching this bike for a while & had positive reviews just ask big rock moto 👌👌
Yes, the Honda is good enough off road for 95% of riders. No one expects these motorcycles to be dirt bikes.
Great point on making the T7 more comfortable than making the Transalp off road worthy
Yep, a seal and windshield are cheaper than Ohlins.
I am not sure about that, very narrow seat/frame, and bike feels like dirt bike when seating on it, but heavy - weird knees position on plastics, wind protection on legs - Transalp is much nicer place to be seating at for a whole day.
And weight balance of Tenere is big issue (engine/transmission is too high up), it is too top heavy. Tenere does excel offroad and eats it so well, but too much compromise on all other fronts for me.
I have the Transalp, nice Bike and i love it!!! Greetings from Germany!!
Great video I have a 2023 Tara 700 Lovett just bought the trans out XL 750 won’t be in for a couple weeks but I can’t hardly wait. Love them both so I gotta have them both awesome video.
This was incredibly helpful! Thank you for this informative video!
Well, selling my ATV and it’s one of these after long research and your help here. Asked you questions over the years. Thanks you. May see you in Northumberland trails some day. In Warkworth here.
Great comparison. Thank you. I currently own one of the first T7s that came to Ontario and I use it in the same way as you. It is a fantastic bike for exploring the forests north of Peterborough. I am curious to ride the TA but the electronics turn me off. One thing I discovered just recently on my T7 is that if I sit closer to the tank, the stock seat becomes much more comfortable. It is nearly as comfortable as the aftermarket comfy seat.
Excellent video, thank you!
Don't know about American spec Transalp but THE FORKS ARE ADJUSTABLE FOR PRE LOAD !! It's the 19mm nut at the centre of the forks, turn clockwise to increase and anti clockwise to decrease pre load there are 15 turns of adjustment available the factory setting is 7 turns from 0 pre load.
So many vloggers getting this information wrong !
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Thanks for the info. It's not stated on the Honda site and not immediately obvious on the bike.
I'm not an off-road type of rider, but if I were I wouldn't have more than a 350c.c. bike. Weight would be my #1 consideration. Thank's for the video. Have a great day! Illinois, USA
Good point. I have the T7 but for serious off road i ride my 256lb WR250F. No comparison.
Good video. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Thanks for watching!
Awesome video! Thanks for a good comparison. :)
Glad you liked it!
Great job, sir 👏
Thank you kindly!
Nice job reviewing the bikes based on what they are designed for.
Thanks! They're both great bikes. Definitely a fun job to evaluate them.
The transalp actually has preload adjustment in the suspension according to bigrock moto
Great video and good comparison “. Thanks…👍
Glad it was helpful!
The local dealer has two Transalps. I rode one and liked it much better than I thought I would. It is just an all around smooth motorcycle. The engine is great and the transmission is very smooth. I loved the quick shifter. I think it is a really good looking bike. I don't understand why the oil sump is so low. It definitely needs a bash guard. It felt really light and not much heavier than my Versys-x 300. I am strongly considering buying one.
Where do you live where a dealer would actually let you take one for a test ride? In the U.S.?
@@louislopez55 Columbia, TN. I didn't even ask. The salesman asked me if I wanted to ride it.
Sault Ste. Marie Ontario. Yes it was fun to ride.
Thanks for sharing. Yes, it'll definitely need the bash plate. The one on my tester had seriously good coverage.
I compared these two for a good while and decided on the Transalp for longer days in the saddle and on the highway. I do 70 percent on the road and 30 off-road. The electronics on the Transalp are super easy and intuitive. I use standard mode most days, rain mode when it rains and gravel mode when off road so the rear abs are turned off...it's fast and easy to switch between modes.
Your videos are awesome. I would buy the Honda if I was in the market right now based on I enjoy logging roads and never single track.
Yep, probably 95% of customers share your opinion. I think Honda will sell a lot of these, but Yamaha has already sold a ton of T7s.
I've rode the T7 and my Super Tenere back to back and though the T7 had more aggressive tires and weighed less which made it much faster accelerating and braking on the dirt roads, it still felt closer to my ST then it did to my Beta 390. For the riding I do of dirt roads and fire roads I'd be more inclined to the T7 over the Transalp. Luckily, I'm blessed to have an ADV bike and a dualsport, but if I could only have one, I'd go for the T7 (or maybe the Husqvarna Norden 901).
Yep, the SuperT is definitely nicer on the road than a T7 and the Beta is better off road. I guess the unicorn is having two bikes!
Good comparison.
The 9% cut in HP makes the Suzuki a better buy.
For off road the T7 is hard to beat.
Yep. I'd definitely get an exhaust and reflash the ECU to get that hp up to 95 or more.
I have the feeling the Yamaha is better for an expert and the Honda is better for a newbie who will never risk the bike and will stay away from any real challenges
Lovely video as always! It would be even more interesting to see your opinion and comparison between the VStrom 800DE and the T7. Maybe the Suzuki is somehow the sweet spot between road and off-road capabilities...which would be strange considering the weight difference.
Thanks! I tried getting a press bike this year but unfortunately no go.
@@DifferentSpokesTV I cross fingers for the next year. Anyhow the season goes soon to and end, so better when it's warmer 😶🌫
Probably the Tenere for the relative lack of tech. Rider modes and having to mess with settings in a menu are something I'd pay more to NOT have on a bike. Same with phone connectivity (always turn my phone off for a ride to save battery since there's rarely service on fun roads). Traction control is something I've never felt any need for on a motorcycle, even while commuting in some heavy rain. As far as instrumentation, I can't even recall the last time I actually looked at a tachometer while riding. Speed, odometer, and trip are all I glance at while riding so everything else is just extra cost for the bike. Why doesn't the Transalp have cruise control? It has all the sensors needed for it.
Being blessed with an abundance of actual off road, a ADV bike doesn't offer much more than a regular street bike. Seems the "middleweight" ADV bike class is getting bigger, which is sad but to be expected.
Interesting video and a good comparison. Shame the background music was a bit intrusive.
Sorry about that!
Great and well balanced comparison. These are my two top picks for an update from my current KLR and I'm sure I'd be more than happy with either of them. That said I put a deposit down on the Transalp a couple weeks ago(nothing in stock unfortunately) so I should have a great new bike to look forward to once the long Calgary winter is over.
I got a 22 klr and a 23 tenere and let me tell you the klr is not better but it's more enjoyable and i absolutely prefer it over the tenere. When you get that transalp if you remember please come back and tell the difference.
@@CesarRamirez-cn5fw I'm surprised. The Tenere has much more oomph.
What year KLR?
Thanks for sharing! Enjoy the bike. You have a lot of beautiful roads to ride there.
So, since most people ride 80/90% on the road, the Honda would be the better fit as it's also much more comfortable with distance riding, That would make the Tenere being better for those who go off road more. Kind of what you said in your first statement.
Ducati dessert X looks interesting.......
Thanks for the review 👍
My pleasure 😊 The Ducati is awesome but way more pricey.
There’s a guy on the Internet called long-haul Paul he put almost 180 thousand miles on a Yamaha tenere 700 all he did was basic maintenance change the air filter plugs and oil
Thanks for another great video!
Both of these bikes look great!
Thanks
TC
No problem 👍
He definitely gave the T7 some more brownie points. Honda also seems good. But I think this is Suzuki is going to win for me. Or maybe I’ll stay with my X300.
Hondapower ! 💪😈
Good comparison.
Thanks!
I was one of the first t7 owner in Canada, late summer 2020. … 22’000km now
Yep, we got our bikes around the same time. I have less mileage on mine because I ride so many other bikes that I sometimes neglect my own.
In the 80's, EVERYBODY HAD TO HAVE a 4 cylinder motorcycle. Twins were passe. Nowadays, hardly anybody buys 4 cylinder motorcycles. And twins are the bestsellers of every manufacturer's line up. Point is, fads in motorcycles come and go. i still say these gigantic adventure bikes are a fad.
Great points!! Have a great day!!
tuareng 660 or v storm 800 de ?????
Great video, I thought the Honda didn't come with blue-tooth in North America? I see the Honda Transalp I think it should of been called a CB750X as the Transalp was never an offroad bike.
I will stick with my DR650 till someone dethrones the King.
The DR definitely beats both of these off road.
I think the less power is from noise regulations because all the Euro reviews I saw they have a 2 exit can on the exhaust and mine only has one so something is different with the slip on exhaust
As usual, a great video. I just disagree about the Honda being a bit better for riding with a passenger. It's much better. The T7 seat is made out of wood
Fair enough! But both seats are pretty roomy. The Honda seat is a bit softer but it's not great either.
To the typical rider, any 400+ lb. "off road oriented" bike is an oxymoron. I've given up looking for the goldilocks bike. I have an R1200R "travel bike" and a DR650 "woods bike". I choose which kind of riding I want to do on any outing and take that respective bike. I do think the Transalp is closer to an all-rounder than the T-7 but my current mix is well set up so I'll keep them and follow the offerings that come out. Thanks for a balanced review!
Just out of curiosity why do you change bike so much is it for the channel purposes or do you just not find your happy with what you purchase?
Thanks for the review. Honda would have me at hello with this bike but they don't offer cruise with it. It's really annoying to me that you can spend 10 or 11,000 on a mid-range bike that's fly by wire and not get cruise control. I like both the trans alp and the new V-Strom, but neither will get my money without cruise. If the up and coming Kove 800 adventure has cc, that's probably where my money will go. I'll take the chance.
I concur.
I'd go for the T7 also. Honda has made it difficult to quickly turn off ABS and TC. Even the User1 custom mode will not let you save those settings to OFF. They will revert when you power cycle the bike. So even going back to choose the custom User1 mode will not work...due to safety reasons.
That's probably the lawyers talking. They're afraid that someone will come off the pavement and then get into a crash because their ABS was left off.
You solve this issue by pulling the abs fuse. Then ABS and TC dies. Its almost like Honda used their brain here
I watched a lot of reviews on both bikes by other RUclipsrs. By now it's obvious that the Yamaha is definitely the more hardcore offroader if that's your cup of tea. The Transalp is more focused on performing on the tarmac rather than off it. But with a few mods, the Transalp can take you anywhere the Yamaha would and without the top heavy-ness, a bigger fuel tank and more ponies and lower seat height. It all depends on what you want to do with the bike
Yep, good point. Although you can lower the T7 with factory parts. The two bikes both can be made better all rounders.
Trie. And then decide. RUclips videos are good, but in the end you will have to ride the MC, not people on RUclips. On paper Transalp looks better. But to my surprise, after testing (~350 miles on each), I liked T7 way more. Rent and trie. That is the only way to choose correct one.
Loaded up with baggage, far away from home in the middle of the middle of nowhere, an easy on the road, slow and careful on the rough Transalp would be the way.
It's a shame the Transalp has the tubed type tires. I think it's a pain to fix a flat on the road... I like the original crash bars and skid plate - Honda put a lot of thought into those. Wind protection is better with those optional winglets as well.
I like the simplicity of the Tenere with just ABS. The engine is great. Reliability promise as well. But tubed tires... And felt it a bit more dificult to ride, off pavement. I guess takes a bit of a learning curve because it is so tall and top heavy. So I feel like you must be or become a better rider in order to fully enjoy it.
But I think the Tuareg combines the Transalp and the Tenere into one bike: tubeless, great suspension and off pavement capabilities, cruise control, traction control adjustable on the go from the cc knob, riding modes changeble on the go from the right side handle bar button. I guess the only question mark is with reliability.
tuareg was my pick
I went with the TA, but it was neck-and-neck. I had to be realistic about my use case. I get to go off-roading three or four times a year. And I have a little 250 for that. So I think I made the right choice. Who knows what the future holds, however? Part of me views all the TA electronics as failure-prone liabilities. But then, at my age, they'll probably outlast me anyway.
New balance 👍👍... Dad shoes on a dad bike... Nothing wrong with that. Some guys are worried about horsepower. I'm worried about longevity and reliability. What's going to cost me the least to keep it going and it's going to keep going for a long time. That's what I care about. Not the fastest anymore. Once you have kids your priorities change
Great video im considering the Transalp..oh by the way you might want to edit out the Part showing you reaching almost 160kph!! Those speeds here in ontario you would get a big speeding ticket or impound your motorcycle..just saying 😂😂
Thanks! Ahem... that was on a closed course... in Mexico :)
As a road rider, can the transalp scratch pegs on the quick mountain turns?
Yes It does
Went to Yamaha Canada's website to price a Tenere 700. Unfortunately by the time I kitted it out with the accessories I want, the price with HST was north of $20000 Can $. Too much for a 700cc bike that does not offer cruise control. $2800 Can $ extra MRSP (including HST) for the side luggage, like c'mon Yamaha.
Yep, those accessories and Canadian taxes add up.
I’m a “pavement guy”. Therefore I would choose the Honda. The only time I ride on some gravel is on a bicycle.
Any chance you could give a teeny little clue as to airbox access difficulty in Transalp?? Yep ... we all know how easy it is on Tenere. But for some reason this seems to be the biggest secret on the internet for the Transalp ATM 🤦🤷🤷🤷!!
Does the Honda have a lowering kit?
There's a lower seat available which drops the seat another inch or so.
The Transalp looks fatastic! This or the BMW F900GS
I dont understand why nobody compares the sprockets when they compare this motorcycles. The Teneré pulls 15T front sprocket and 46T on the rear sprocket while the Transalp pulls 16T 45T....this is a HUGE difference. If you put 15T/46T on the Transalp it will lift the front wheel until 4th gear, it will be too much torque. If you put 16T/45T on the Transalp it wont move. That is the real difference in 20 horse power.
This is only useful when you also know the gearings in the engine itself.
The horsepower figures I quoted are at the crank, not the back wheel.
@@DifferentSpokesTV The torque changes a lot with the sprocket change. The horse power is always the same.
The versus 650 doesn't even get a chance or the Strom... Or GS.... KTM, yes, you're right. Honda n Yamaha are the best
The funny thing to me is that if all you're going to do is ride the occasional dirt road then any street bike with proper tires can do that. Why pay for spoked wheels and tubes when you don't need them. Suzuki is releasing the new vstrom 800 for 2024 with cast wheels and tubeless tires which sounds more suited to the gravel road only style of riding.
Excellent point. I think a lot of riders just like to know that their bike can do it even if they themselves never do it.
It’s a tough one. I currently own the new 2023 Honda Hornet and I’m thinking of getting a adv. for looks yamaha wins hands down! Honda just look boring and meh… but ind the end I think I would take TA because of lower seat height and overall better comfort. I’ll only be riding on light gravel roads once and while. So no need for all the off-road capabilities of the T7
Honda TransAlp 750 for the win! 🙂
Tenere all the way !!
Yes I agree Harleys are way too expensive for a retro fashion accessory and now “retro” are bikes from the 70’s and 80’s and everyone does retro so much better and cheaper. Harley has known this for years and have chosen to do nothing. As F9 says in a few years from now Harley Davidson will be a clothing brand.
Thanks for the comparison Need to compare it to the new ktm 790 !
Seems as if the categories are getting more and more boiled down to specific tasks.
*You've got your "paved ADV" bikes that range from 17/17" wheels to 17/19", slightly longer travel than pure pavement motorcycles, with some decent leanings toward travel and utility. Examples: V-Strom 800. S1000XR. Versys650. Turismo Veloce. V100 Mandello. NC750X.
**Then you have the "heavily dirt oriented ADV" bikes with 17/21" or 18/21" wheels, longer travel suspension, more dirt-bike oriented equipment, while maintaining the travel utility. Examples: Transalp. Tenere 700. 890 Adventure R. Desert X. Versys X 300.
***Then you have the totally dirt/enduro bikes. This category has seemed to pretty much get neglected. It's full of bikes that haven't been updated in decades. Examples: XR650L. XT250. DR650S. KLR650 (not honestly that updated).
These days, I'm more interested in the Scrambler category and what might become of that. The new Triumph 400 X that came out is a beautiful thing. I've always though the ADV bikes are too compromised to be a do-all "pavement" type motorcycle due to how tall, top heavy, and geometrically challenged they are compared to the pure highway counterparts. But I do like the idea of blasting off down a gravel road or a Jeep trail now and then. That's where a Scrambler seems to carry both of those tasks pretty well, without pretending to be some kind of giant Dakar dirtbike.
Yes, for sure. I always thought that the Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE/XC were great bikes for that. Good on pavement, good looking but also somewhat dirt capable. The new 400 looks like a smaller version of that.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Ducati's Scrambler series has been quite successful from the time they spun off that branding from the main products.
I personally would stay far away from those aluminum luggage boxes, specially off road, in my opinion they are limb crushers..
Yes, they're great on the road but if I was doing a long BDR I'd run soft bags. When I off road the T7 these days I never have then on anymore.
Before the Honda, the Yamaha has 2 much closer rivals. KTM790 and Aprilia Tuareg. So maybe you can do a showdown.
I'd love to but it's hard to get my hands on test bikes from KTM and Aprilia does not do the press bike thing in Canada. It's really too bad.
@@DifferentSpokesTV then perhaps only if you have friends riding those bikes, they can give them to you for a quick, one hour comparison or something
Every time i look at the Transalp, i think it looks a pony with a broken back, coarse some 500lbs person sat on it.
The belly to low to the ground.
😂
The Tenere 700 wants to fall over when stopped on uneven ground. Otherwise, it is a great bike, but intimidating to shorter riders.
Keep the bike straight or buy a 250-300cc 😂
That is true. And once it's going over it is very hard to catch it.
But short people are not a bike flaw. ;-)
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC No, short people are not a bike flaw. But, a tall bike is a flaw to a short rider. Mind you, many short riders can handle tall bikes better than tall riders can. The argument is, what design attributes make a better handling bike. The KTM 890 adventure, although a tall bike, suits shorter riders, and taller riders, better because the centre of gravity is lower. The KTM 890, although the same wet weight as the T7, does not want to fall over so easily. And when it falls it is easier to pick up. Skinny tall riders, without muscle, can pick it up, whereas they would fail to pick up a T7. Taller riders are more prone to be weaklings whilst shorter stockier riders tend to be stronger. So, it all depends!
@@davidmallia628 True. I must say I’m very very very disappointed with the direction Honda went with this bike. I was hoping for something more KTM 790ish and basically got a street bike with spoke wheels. Oh well, Honda will probably sell a ton of them which is great.
I already have a crf250L , so even if yamaha are better look and off road,, for the trust of HOnda reliability and bcs i already have a real off road bike,, i will go for a transalp for road trip , country road , etc .. compared to other classic motorcycle, adv bike can easely take some damaged road, sandy road, etc,, ., but for me adv is not an off road bike ..
ADV bike are made for long trip adventure , and offer a bit of off road capability, just to be able to dont get stuck by some road without tarmac, like you fin in some country , like clay, hard sandy road, etc ..
But we have to keep in mind that anyway you cant follow an enduro bike in the midle of the wood, where is no track,, with an ADV.. of course .. and i think some ppl dont realize that.. they ear off road capability,, they think it can do everything , .. when actually,, everything with motorbike its compromise
As a sportster rider I know alot of Honda guys and both of them said they'll keep the 500 because it's better off road .
Which 500 ?
@@daveo226 Honda CX I think , it was mainly a joke.
The CB500X is nice but has smaller wheels. I think it's close between those two bikes because the weight difference is only 27lbs.
@@DifferentSpokesTV I didn't know that , that's not bad at all.
Tenere every time
T700 over the Hornet 750 with spokes all day long.
too bad he didnt have the 800de in the mix
Honda is better bike for most riders... Unless you ride more aggressive off road and are a tall fella?
Or you need to access airbox 😂😂 !!!
Radiators' and mortar tube exhausts takes them right out of the game...your gonna hole the rad and your gonna burn you luggage on a long trip hot exhaust .
Getting a carbureted single cylinder 650 "air cooled" is not even a bet. it the best idea since the motorcycles were invented.
Taking all US routes adventure riding, takes you into rural America you cannot see from interstates. You stop at place along these US routes where people are actually sociable, where your own personal attitude matters. You can for sure find a MC dealership of some kind that "has" an 18 inch rear tire tube regardless of make. Plenty of camp grounds/motels/hotels that are better then reasonable in price. Restaurant that actual take pride in it's services...Nope sending a stick or stone through the rad isn't for a pleasant day, and keeping up with the Jones's is not why you go in the first place. The journey is the destination. Rock on...
transalp far more comfy; and the passenger seat is far better also; Seems lower also . so its possible to mount.
Wasn't it obvious that the Tenere is an off-rad motorcycle and the Transalp is an adventure one?
Offroad is adventure but adventure is not offroad. :)
Yes, but on pavement the Tenere was surprisingly close. Also, the Transalp can actually do single track.
I’ll say that the Transalp is the cheap version of a GS… Does it all but won’t excel at anything… Just my .02🙄
T7 is a biiiiiiiiiig bike but my god it looks like it is on a diet in comparison to the transalp - the hONDA is a beauty , it is however more road, the T7 is the opposite ime
I'm aiming my wallet at the new F900GS. Similar weight, if my memory can be trusted, more HP, more torque, less fuel unfortunately, and less is my wallet afterward. And... cruise control. Why oh why did I have to get addicted to cruise!?
Yep, the lack of cruise on these two bikes is one of the big criticisms of them.
To be honest, I'd go for the Yamaha. An adventure bike should be capable of adventures, and the location of major electronics just inside the flimsy bash plate makes it unsuitable for fording or rocks. Yamaha make the adventure bike here, Honda make a tourer for people who like adv looks. If you're getting the Honda, why not an Africa Twin, a bike that can ford and bash over rocks despite its weight?
Or just get an aftermarket bash plate for the Transalp :-) I do adventure trips where I'll typically ride on pavement for a few thousand kilometers sprinkled in with segments of a BDR...
So, I need a bike that will tour comfortably yet be able to handle off pavement adventuring too. The Transalp seems ideal for that, the Tenere 700 less so. Yes, the Tenere will be a bit more capable off pavement but I really doubt the Transalp will hold me back
@@alozborne doesn't make it waterproof though. I mean, fair enough if you put Outback bars & bash plate on it'll be fairly bombproof for drops and rocks, but properly designing a bike to put all that out of the way ought to be the thing. Still, not for me to diss your bike - if it works for you & you're enjoying it, heck yeah, enjoy.
You sure have a big opinion of what is right for others or what others may want.
@@ChopperChad did I mention others? No. Bye.
@@Skiamakhosbut you did. Bye.
No way I would take either of those bikes off-road 😬
Perfect for for dirt roads. Like riding across the centre of Australia.
Not interested in either... Too big for off road, too small of on road... Haha.
These bikes are great if you only have one motorcycle. Or you just get two bikes :)
Who the f..k need all that electronics crap in a bike?! Tenere all the way 🤘
Well you meet the nicest people on a Honda and those people need lots of features
Tener is 60 percent offroad and transalp is 40 percent offroad.
Transalp is for regular people want some adventure but tener is purely adventure with some on road capabilities for enthusiasts
Both are great machine 😊😊
""""Less expensive"""".
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