Yea, I'm jealous since he has a newer water proof version. Though i will say that the only thing I've had break on my fold 2 is the charging port went out. And the front screen cracked from a foot fall and hit screen first on a corner of the metal foot for my desk. Just cracked when my s8 shattered from the same fall
@@GabrielRMthe fold 5 seems a bit old news and probably very predictable compared to the fresh fold though. Could be wrong but Samsung seems to be keeping it pretty safe lately.
Nintendo Will sue them again for encouraging emulation again. Luckily LMG is very big now and i'm pretty sure they have Lawsuit departement at this point
I just wish that instead of having a camera bump they made phones thinker to put a bigger battery in and install some of the tech that's been removed over the years (looking at you 3.5 mm jack)
@@Guitarocker493 i dunno, i dont see the benefit of having a unwieldily big phone and a tiny tablet, when i could get a better phone and a better tablet for less money
The graphs are nice and all, but we really should be seeing at least the Galaxy Fold 4 if not also the 3 in each test. Sure it is nice to know how it stacks against "normal" devices, but we really should be seeing how it stacks against the competition. Especially since the intro talks about how it is pushing the market competition. Feels like a huge portion of the video was missed/cut for some reason.
Agreed. The first half preached competition then the second half completely ignored it. Really weird to compare a folding phone to a non-foldable at this point. They are in their own categories. It's like comparing a regular slab phone to a tablet.
Hopefully Linus also takes a view at this phone too. Altho thas probably a main channel review vid. Would love to hear his thoughts since he's been repping foldables for a while now.
I'm actually really excited to see the 2nd generation attempt at this. I already like how the Pixel feels compared to the Galaxy (especially the form factor for their foldables, the Galaxy Fold always felt too skinny to me whereas the Pixel Fold actually feels like a phone when folded and a tablet when opened which is what I want from a foldable), but I also know Google is the king of first-gen fumbles so I'm cautious about the fold until the next gen.
I hear everyone complaining about how some apps aren't full screen on the inner display of the pixel fold compared to the galaxy folds. This is because when the galaxy fold opens, it's technically in portrait mode not landscape because of their different aspect ratio. If you orient the fold in landscape position apps like Instagram, don't take up the full screen.
Galaxy fold 3 owner since it's launch day! Just wanted to say two things: I think the screen durability has a LOT to do with what kind of user you are, how you handle texh devices in general, AND the climate you live in. Foldables have an issue with the plastic inner screen protector becoming stuff in cold conditions, thus leading to bubbles, weird sounds, and I've read of folks who couldn't even open their galaxy folds in our right frigid temps because the screen protector essentially froze. BUT if you're like me, live somewhere where it's warm to hot all year round - it's a none issue. I know a handful of other foldable users in my area and all of them have had zero screen issues when it comes to lifting or cracking - we've all been foldable owners for over two year'ish now. The tech is really developing. I feel like the jump from the fold 2 to 3 was the biggest yet. Fold 4 was a nothing upgrade, and the Fold 5 feels like it could be the same.... Very tempted to jump to the pixel fold for a year until the Fold 6 comes out.
Regarding apps like Instagram not filling the screen, this is because they arent optimized for anything other than phones. Samsung doesn't actually get a win here. The difference is that the Galaxy Fold opens in a portrait orientation, while the Pixel Fold opens in landscape. If you rotate the Pixel Fold to portrait, the app looks exactly the same as it does on the Galaxy, while if you rotate the Galaxy to landscape, it looks like the default for the Pixel.
Elijah didn't take care of his phone. I've had the Z Fold 4, and my screen is as perfect as the day I got it! He also could have replaced the screen protector if damaged. I did the on my Z Flip 3.
I've had my pixel fold for a couple weeks now, and it has already been a huge benefit on the go for productivity/work related tasks. I carry a foldable Bluetooth keyboard (iclever), mouse (microsoft arc), and this phone instead of a laptop or full sized tablet for when I need to provide remote support to a coworker while out at the lake with the kids or something like that, instead of having to sit around the house 24/7 in case a request comes up while I'm on call. Yes, I'm in IT in an industry that works 24/7, and the company compensates us appropriately for the sometimes long hours.
I’m actually very into the concept of a foldable phone that is both regular phone and a tablet, cause I feel it will slide into my routine very easily. But I will keep waiting for one of the brands to find the solution for the inner screen to become as sturdy and robust as outer screens. I understand the limitations we currently have, but still, I really don’t like how fragile those inner screens currently are.
It's kind of a miss on the tablet side of things, at least for me, because I use tablets mostly for just watching video content, and because of the weird aspect ratio on foldables the video itself ends up being not much bigger than on the front screen. And I also think not everyone adapts their websites for those weird screens
@@quadroff I get what you mean, it is definitely all about the preferences. Personally I rarely watch youtube videos in fullscreen even on an ipad (on my phone especially) due to my adhd and a constant need for stimulation so this is not so much of an issue for me. I do also prefer surfing the web using the big screen.
@@livegolfismygt yeah, it kinda solves bending issue, but 2 separate screens is a dealbreaker for me. Can't see myself enjoying content with a gap in the middle of it. But thanks for mentioning that anyways.
Real life user of the fold 3. Had it since it came out in 2021. Literally not one issue with the internal display. It's actually held up SO MUCH BETTER than the outer display. Just sayin'
Ive been using the fold for weeks now, and its been wonderful. I came from a fold 3, and damn has it been nice. The fold had its perks, but I like to have a usable inner and outer screen
@@doomy_doomy2225hasn't the main gripe with it been the durability? As far as I understand they were explicitly told to be careful when demoing the pixel fold, so the fact that such an issue only showed itself outside of that environment doesn't seem all that surprising
@@doomy_doomy2225 People that buy it early will often have rose-tinted glasses when they review it, especially because we're talking about an $1,800 device. Honestly, it's pretty piss-poor considering we're on the Fold 4, and it's been 4 years since the OG launched. And it's worse because this is Google we're talking about, they make the OS. And they couldn't even make stuff scale properly.
Using Elijah's obviously neglected phone & footage of JerryRigEverything trying to break the hinge by folding the phone in the opposite direction as some sort of indictment to folding phones is hilarious 😂😂. Where's Linus?
I own a fold 4 since nearly a year ago, and it's nowhere near that state. I would even dare say it's mostly in pristine condition, and though I'm careful while handling it and do have samsung's s pen case on it, I don't have to baby it either. Elijah's inner screen protection is just peeling off, so it just needs to be replaced. I'm not sure how it got to that stage, though, mine barely has a scratch.
@@joeltaylor7741 I have had mine since September 14th 2022, inner screen looks mostly the same as when I got it other than smudges from finger oils. To give an idea of how I use it: I only unfold it 2-5 times a day on average as i tend to use it folded for quick use and unfolded for most my media consumption, so will be unfolded a lot just not going between folded and unfolded a lot.
Yeah idk what Elijah did with his phone, but my fold 4 is still looking and functioning perfectly. I just have a dbrand skin on the back, and a cheap amazon screen protector on the front. I use it like any other phone ive owned, so i take care of it but i dont baby the thing. Only blemish i have is the internal screen protector is very slightly starting to pop up on the crease. When it does, I'll just have a new one put on from the factory
Im still on the fold 3. Had it for 2 years. My main screen started bubbling off from the middle twice. Just took it back to the retailer and they sent it off for a week to get fixed for free as it was still in the manufacturer warranty. If Elijah has only been using his 4 for a year. He needs to get this fixed before its too late
This makes me happy that I went with the surface duo2. I had it for almost 2 years and not a single hardware problem. Little software bugs and glitches exist, but it has 2 glass screens. No plastic feeling and no ugly plastic delamination.
I had the Duo1 and two Duo2 , all from eBay. They all have same damn problem of dead zones on the touch screen. I loved that phone and still have them but would not sell them with bad screens like they did me. Once the glass gets a crack on either side or the glass outer cover, it will develop dead zones so be careful.
Also the hinge goes bad on them as well so treat it slowly. Also another point is the pixel fold has the dullest feeling screen inside so I put a screen protector.
I'd like to shout out the usage of median in the graphs. The percentiles give a better idea of stuttering, and median gives a much better idea of general performance than mean. The mean, without cleaning up the outliers, just gives a very skewed image of average performance.
You know why I liked my Motorola V3i? It was durable and you could slam it shut to end a call. I didn't have to worry about damaging it. All these modern foldables are the exact opposite of that. Close it too fast or with some accidental dirt inside the screen and your phone is ruined.
idk about pixel fold but but z fold 4 you could slam shut even with some dust and the bezel would protect the screen. I guess it depends one who one does at work or as hobby but I strugle to think of a scenario where I would have the phone open and needed to close it in a way there would be high risk of damage. That said I have to admit in the 6 months I did manage to nick the bezel in one spot, even the screen is curved around that spot but that's beyon the part with pixels and everythings still works. Also sorry to disappoint you but you would need to get the flip to slam shout calls with folds you call with the phone closed typicaly.
I have a Fold4 as well, from pre-order, and I don't have the issues your Fold4 has. While the screenprotector coming off is true, it doesn't happen to everyone. Mine looks perfectly fine, looks like day 1. Just something I want to put out there.
I still rock the Fold 2 since pre-order, 3 years now. The screen protector finally peeled of 6 Month ago but everything else is in perfect condition. Just the battery is starting to degrade
I made the switch to the Samsung zfold 4 and it's been awesome, mostly. This doesn't look like it addresses any of the little snags, except for the front screen. I underestimated how much more convenient it is to use, but I'm still stuck with tablet apps. Hopefully now that they have skin in the fold game there'll be more apps that are optimised for folding phones. Tablet apps suck.
I really want one of these. But the price point is too high for me to jump in on Gen 1. If they can nail down the widget/home screen experience (one setup for outside, one for open) I'd be game.
Samsung's Fold phones have that completely separate home screen experience. I've been using a Fold4 since December last year (Both screens still look the same as when it was new) & I've got a different wallpaper for the cover screen & the main screen
You just have to get a deal through a carrier. Got $1000 off mine. I wouldn't pay $1800 out of pocket either, but $800 is very standard for a higher end device.
I am dropping my Fold4 for the Pixel Fold. The apps not optimized for the wider screen do expand to full screen when you rotate the Pixel Fold to portrait, the reason it does this automatically on the Fold 4 is that it starts portrait. Longevity of the inner screen is always a concern but after almost a year of the Fold 4 my inner screen is pristine - what I want to hear is what other folks are doing or not doing (or the same) as me that their inner screen gets so borked.
@@austinlohse9990Also, if you don't want to rotate it and don't like the extra space, throw another app up there, and do two things at once. With the default orientation and aspect ratio of the Pixel Fold, you get two full sized apps side by side, unlike on the Galaxy Fold, where they get compressed super narrow.
The Pixel Fold will be my first foldable, but that's because I've been holding out for Google to make one. I just can't function without a Pixel phone at this point, and the Samsung UI and software experience is not for me at all.
@@chrisdpratt indeed, I agree. My point is that people seem to not realize that the Fold 4 and PF have the same size inner screen. It's just a different orientation. Most apps are not pillar boxed if you rotate.
Another benefit of the Samsung Folds, at least IMHO is OneUI, I can't stand the Pixel UI or pure Android UI. I wish Samsung made OneUI available for purchase and use on non-Samsung devices. I would jump to HMD Global/Nokia or Lenovo/Motorola if they made a flagship Foldable comparable to the Samsung Folds and were more repairable/Right To Repair friendly.
I've had my Fold 4 since launch (a 'hey, why not' purchase) and its inner screen is still utterly pristine. Elijah must be hella rough on his for the protector to have delaminated so much.
I actually use an external holder for my cell phone, I have a LG V60 Dual Screen. It still gets updates, and works great. I use my second screen to edit photos while I take photos on the main screen at the same time. Not to mention as a game controller, as well as using two apps at once.
I don't really 'get' folding phones. First of all, they are a solution in search of a problem. Also they bring new problems (screen dying within a year) and they don't really solve anything.
You call it a solution in search of a problem. I call it a solution to a problem I've had for years. I'm a power user. I use mobile devices to achieve most of my work. I constantly use split screen and I never feel like I have enough space so I carry around a tablet for when I need more space. Now I can leave my tablet at home most days. Thanks to this.
@@cordellshackelford4037 A phone for a "power user"? What kind of "power user" apps do you use? Most people use their phone to watch TikToks, do some websurfing, use whatsapp, etc. These apps really don't need a large unfolding screen. Also there are small tablets like the iPad mini that fit in almost any bag you have. And give a 100x better "power user" experience than this phone ever will. Currently I see only FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) being the thing that drives people to buy them. When you take that away you're left with the most inferior phones on the market. And for their prices you can easily buy a flagship normal phone and a tablet.
@@BrandEver117 Flip phones used to be the most common phones before the "smartphone" became standard. The "flip" phones basically are a combination of the two. With the worst issues both have. Honestly I would love a full smart flip phone, but one that opens to a full keyboard and a screen.
What was the fatal flaw? I know I get distracted sometimes, but I watched the video twice in case I missed something and I still don't get what the 'fatal' flaw is. Or is clickbait the new LMG standard now that Linus stepped down?
Definitely worth taking that inner screen protector off on the Samsung. When they start getting like that they actually trap dust and sand underneath which is what often causes them to break (or at the very least get scratched up)
It's amazing that all that dirt trapped under it has not killed the display, especially while folding. That protector should have been removed long ago.
I had a new pixel fold for one day. I would not charge with a 45w charger or wireless. I let it sit for 7 hrs and it went from 46% down to 36%. All before starting up the phone. I took it back to Tmobile, where the floor model had the same problem. The next day, a different Tmobile store let me know they had 3 new ones in stock. That fold started with 70% charge and in 30 minutes, I had 100% battery! I really like it. It is just a tad larger and taller than the iPhone 13 mini and the front screen is as wide as an iPhone pro max 13. I have average size hands and it fits very well.
The heating issues are Google Tensor a glorified Samsung Exynos. I've notice on the pixel 6 that once you start getting low signal the device tries to cook itself. Tensor should be done like Oppo's Mirisilicon and be a separate chip allowing Google to use a Snapdragon or Flagship MediaTek Dimensity chip.
Could you guys add a Linus thoughts spot to the video or the comments? I know Linus is busy and only gets to do maybe 1~2 short circuit videos a month but I believe alot of us viewers would like to hear Linus's thoughts considering he daily drives a Samsung Foldable.
I honestly wish they'd just make phones thicker again with bigger batteries and a jack xD It has been at least 8 years since I last thought "man this phone is kinda thick". I feel like they could add half the thickness and it would still be fine :x
In the heart of the tech world, a new challenger emerged on the horizon. The Google Pixel Fold, a device that dared to challenge the reigning champion, Samsung, in the realm of folding phones. The battlefield was set, the audience of tech enthusiasts from around the globe watched with bated breath, and the herald of this epic clash was none other than ShortCircuit. The Pixel Fold was a sight to behold. Its sleek exterior, completely flat when closed, was unlike any other. It was a testament to Google's attention to detail, ensuring that the phone was not only functional but also aesthetically pleasing. The phone's stout form, thicker than the taller candy bar shape of the Fold 4, gave it a unique appeal. It was as if a modern smartphone had been fused with the nostalgic charm of a DS. The phone's features were equally impressive. The volume rocker and power button doubled as a fingerprint scanner, a clever design choice that showcased Google's innovative spirit. The speaker grille, the cutout for millimeter wave 5G, and the multiple microphone holes were all neatly arranged, each serving a specific purpose in the grand scheme of the phone's design. But the true marvel was the phone's hinge. This multi-alloy polished hinge was the backbone of the Pixel Fold, the component that allowed the phone to transform from a compact device to a larger, more immersive screen. It was a testament to Google's engineering prowess, a symbol of the technological advancements that made the Pixel Fold possible. The phone was put to the test, its features scrutinized under the discerning eye of ShortCircuit. The fingerprint scanner, the software, the speakers, the display, and the camera were all put through their paces. Each feature was evaluated, its strengths and weaknesses laid bare for all to see. But the true test was in the lab results. The Pixel Fold was compared to the Fold 4, its performance measured against the reigning champion. It was a clash of titans, a battle that would determine the future of folding phones. As the dust settled, it was clear that the Pixel Fold was a formidable contender. It had its strengths and weaknesses, but it held its own against the Fold 4. It was a testament to Google's determination to carve a niche for itself in the realm of folding phones. And so, the epic saga of the Google Pixel Fold unfolded. It was a journey of innovation and determination, a story of a device that dared to challenge the status quo. As the audience applauded the performance of the Pixel Fold, they were left with a sense of awe and anticipation. The battle had ended, but the journey of the Pixel Fold was just beginning. Here's to the next chapter in the epic saga of folding phones!
This phone is Official! Everything that is a need is done well. It did get very hot day 1 and took 2 and a half hours to charge. But there was a software update and it charges faster now and the battery drains less. Taking a Photo on the Pixel Fold and you Immediately notice the difference between a Pixel and a Samsung Camera. Samsung is not touching the Pixel Fold Still Camera. Somehow the Screen resolution is better. . I Highly Recommend, this is my new Favorite Foldable phone and I Once owned Z Fold 2, 3, & 4.
14:10 The camera comparison between the main camera and the selfie external camera is flawed. The lighting is different in both images due to bright lights behind you. This underexposes your skin whereas there are no bright lights in the main camera image which results in a brighter skin complexion.
The superzoom is amazing for contractors. I can take data plate pictures of far away equipment and get the manufacturer info I need to get the right parts. I use a S22 Ultra right now, looking at folding phones for the screen real estate for reading manuals, contracts, spreadsheets, and the like. Hundreds per year gets old fast.
For those looking to buy this phone, its a great phone. I have used Z fold 4 and this seems to be more practical when it comes to the usability of the outer screen. However, you have to be careful with the inner screen because the dust particle may get stuck along the hinge alloy and then when you unfold it, they would get pushed inside resulting in dead pixels/screen blackout. It happened with me but I had warranty so I got it replaced. Since then I use a case which covers the hinge as well. VRS design has those cases. I highly recommend them as I have been using the case on my pixel fold for the past one month and never had any issues. I had many other issues including wireless charging not working when I got it initially. The replacement pixel fold that they sent me is working great with no issues thus far..
My dad's been using the fold 4 since it was released and has no problem with the screen, but the hinge seems to be slightly more loose than before... I hope google improves the Pixel Fold 2 next time
Durability of this phone is why I'm glad I didn't hold out for it and got a Fold 4 instead (on launch day). I've abused the absolute SHIT out of this thing (pretty mobile job, lot of bumping into things and a fair few drops) and it's been a killer. My biggest complaint is software, and nowadays that's mostly just websites not supporting the more narrow aspect ratio and breaking.
8:55 thats not "neat" behavior, that's lazy coding that's responding to device orientation rather than viewport size. Yiu should get the dual pane view at all times when unfolded, not just in landscape.
4:55... Technically it is sort of dust resistant... They just saved costs by not having it tested for dust resistance... But if it can survive being dunked in water (being IPX8) then it can probably repel large dust particles...
It's not actually stock Android, just because it doesn't have a thicc skin on top. This is stock Android + Google Play Services and apps + Pixel customizations. The only thing I would call stock Android would be plain AOSP which basically no manufacturer puts in from the factory. May seem pedantic but it's important because if this was stock then you would expect all other manufacturers to have all of this phones features plus whatever they put in - as if this was the baseline which it's not.
I've daily driven a Galaxy Z Fold 4 for around a year now and I have not experienced the screen protector seperation weirdly enough. For sure I would purchase the Pixel Fold because it's aspect ratios are much more natural than the Z Fold, the Folds inner and outer screen both have odd aspect ratios for consuming content imo.
The fold has a thinner than average outer screen compared to other phones and the inner screen seems to make some apps feel awkward when split down the middle, the pixel seems to give better ratios for multi tasking/media consumption
Yep. That is also the reason it won't open flat. The plastic protector isn't doing it's job properly at that point. You can also see the huge air gap between the screen and protector. You don't want to trap any dirt between them.
Dude you have 1 free screen protector replacement from Samsung. Go to a Samsung repair shop wait 2h and good as new. After that 80 euro(about 90 canadian) each replacement. That phone only looks like crap because the owner is lazy.
In order for me to consider the pixel fold 2 it will need to be: 1. Lighter 2. Better battery life 3. A rubber ring to keep dust and water out of the inner screen.
As a Fold 3 user I want to see that wide formfactor in Fold 5. Also I do not understand why people do not change internal screen protector when it decides to separate. I changed mine to whitestone silk dome and its glass-like feeling is so much better than default plastic one and it is flawless for more than a year for me.
I'm a big fan of the Pixel flavor of android but also appreciate cutting edge tech. I've tried Samsung devices in the past (not a fold) and just can't get past the software experience. So with the Fold I'm happy that I found a device that hits both my cool tech and good software experience. Yes, it's stupid expensive but I have the means and enjoy using the device. So maybe I'm the 1% this was built for but I'm happy with it.
I enjoy their software experience. It is a little more "appl-y" and google takes alot of it to their base system too. However, the animations kill it some times. Making you push a button but the animation wasn't complete and it doesn't actually push. If you turn them off, or even .5 rather than 1x it helps alot!!!
Interestingly, I'm the exact opposite, I much prefer the Samsung OneUI compared to any other Android UI, including Pixel. Maybe it's because I had multiple Nokia Symbian S60 smartphones, then the Nokia N9 with MeeGo Harmattan and SwipeUI and then went to BlackBerry 10...I still miss my N9 and Passport. OneUI reminds me so much of SwipeUI and BB10, which is why I prefer it to anything else. Just goes to show you how far ahead Nokia and BB actually were, they knew where the market was going in terms of UI/UX, they were simultaneously 18-24 months too late to market and 7 or 8 years too early to market with MeeGo and BB10 respectively. Might have had a 3 or 4 mobile OS options today if both could have given their huge user base modern mobile operating systems just a little bit earlier. Competition is a good thing! Anyways, I digress...that's off topic.
I have this phone. Its great for my use case. I work in IT and I am very mobile with my job duties, so having a larger screen when I need it, is super useful. I very rarely play mobile games. I've had high end gaming phones in the past, mobile gaming sucks because touch screen controls suck. I rather carry around a second dedicated mobile device with controls for gaming. The fold is a great device for my use case and I love it.
The Fold 4 is also a great DS emulator. It also has the added benefit of being slightly long, so if you have to use the virtual buttons there's plenty of room remaining for the dual screens. Although I just hide the buttons and attach one of the USB-C controller thingies from Amazon. (I use the Gamesir, but any should work. I went with physical connector to eliminate lag, which was pretty significant on bluetooth devices for Nvidia Geforce Now. You just have to pick the model that has the connector on the left side of the controller instead of the right, or your screen will fold downward instead of upward, which can be hard to get used to and awkward to hold.) edit: What the fuck happened to that Fold?? I've had my 4 for a year as well and it looks *nothing* like that. I've even dropped mine and dented my hinge, and my Fold 4 looks like it just came out of the box in comparison to that one. I had a Fold 2 for two years and *it* looked nothing like that when I turned it in for the 4. Lord have mercy on any phone that finds itself in the possession of that person.
I hate how the solution to the lack of tablet-sized UI is using the Progressive Web App (PWA) versions of apps you need to install via web browsers like Chrome.
WTF I've had my Fold 3 for two years and aside from having to have the screen protector replaced (it only lasts about a year before removing itself from center out) it is clean, flat, and looking great. The state of that Fold 4 is due to negligence.
I was thinking the same thing. That person probably can't take care of a normal smartphone. Then showing JerryRigEverything literally trying to break the phone to say folding phones have weak hinges 🤣🤣. I've yet to run into a scenario when I had to fold my phone in the opposite firrction
Your screen protector coming off from the inside out, at some point during 2 years really invalidates your argument. I'd like to believe this person was mishandling their fold4 but you make it sound like the screen protector issues naturally occur for everyone.
I got a Fold 4 in excellent condition off eBay for $800 265 GB. I cant recommend it enough to pick up a used one. I dont recommend the pixel fold until they're on the used market. Even then the inside screen is more fragile. So if you're on the fence go for the fold 4 used. Its essentially a portable tablet that supports s pen. There's nothing better than playing genshin impact on that inside screen. Samsung Knights Unite.
The one thing I hear often praised about the Pixel Fold and absolutely agree with is the form factor. Very easy to reach everything with one hand when it's closed and when open it closely resembles a proper tablet. It's a shame the Fold 2 is deviating from these proportions because I think they got them right on the first try.
it's coming to england, one of the networks here are offering it already as a pre-order. am sold on the concept, but none of the foldables so far have looked past the early bugs
SHORTcircuit and we‘re at nearly half an hour. I‘m sorry for my rant, but eight minutes talk about the camera on a folding phone? This isn‘t made by Leica. Every phone camera either has too much processing or a bad camera in the first place today. I know phones aren‘t phone first anymore, but camera first? That‘s not why you buy a folding one.
It's honestly embarrasing that flagship phones these days don't even have sd card support... Now i personally use a usb c stick, which is nice to, but you can't have it plugged in all the time now can you? You technically can... but No.
Google tries to pay reviewers to hype the outer screen because the inner screen, software and hardware have deficiencies and are inconsistent across the board among users. 1st gen is no excuse to use dated hardware and unfinished software. Using the same chip as their $499 budget phone was a deal breaker.
I'm really confused by this video, apologies as I only skimmed through it. But I can't see where you actually talk in detail about the screen? Just some looking at it while it's off. Should be it's own chapter/segment in the video on a phone that's whole USP/gimmick is the folding screen.
22:05 is it possible to put some more relevant charging times in for upcomming phones? Maybe some other foldables, iphones and some actually fast charging phones like xiaomi.
4:15 given the screens touch when closed, where did the 0.1" come from? 0.5" closed, 0.2" open...? So it either gets fatter when closed, or magically thinner when open.
The Labs may take accurate readings, but you guys really have to work on how you process and present your data. Measuring charging by % is not good because those phones don't all have the same battery size and layout, so you have to normalize for battery capacity. In theory, all those phones should be charging at the same rate, so you're measuring how well their fast charging algorithm works. The Fold and Zenphone are practically the same for fast charging for an hour. The Xperia is the outlier and the best phone in this metric, and the one-hour chart at 65W doesn't show it. 77% for the Pixel fold is 3,712mAh, meanwhile the Zenfone at 87% is 3,741mAh, which is close enough. At 86%, the Xperia is at 4,300mAh. We can see that the Zenphone and the Fold charge at the same rate, both much slower than the Xperia. The same logic applies to the charging time, lower isn't necessarily better, and even where it is, the way it is presented is misleading. The Zenphone has a charge rate of 53.75mAh/m, the Fold has a charge rate of 50.22mAh/m, and the Xperia has a charging rate of 53.76mAh/m. We can clearly see that the Xperia and Zenphone have the same charge rate, but the Xperia takes more time because its battery is 16% larger, which also happens to be the difference between 93 minutes and 80 minutes.
Just remove the screen protector. They are useless. I remove them the day I get the phone. My Fold4 has no screen dmg, beyond the normal crease any folding screen will have. Also, maybe don't play football with your phone and pass it around like a ball. :P
I'm starting to get the feeling that a lot of fold users just DON'T take care of their phones properly. I've had my fold 4 for just shy of a year now and the screen protector has not peeled even slightly and it still opens flat. I don't know if it's because I don't rip the screen open super fast, or because I keep every phone in a case of some variety but so far, nothing like this has happened.
No offense to this presenter, but I seriously think Linus should have been the one to review this first given his direct experience with folding phones. He most likely would have immediately brought up during the Fold 4 comparison that you can TAKE OFF THE SCREEN PROTECTOR AND REPLACE IT. The screen protector on the Fold 4 is like any other - it will get dirty and nasty over time and eventually needs to be replaced. The only difference however is once it gets incredibly dirty the adhesive gives up at the hinge points which immediately tells you it's time to replace it. Whoever was using that Fold CLEARLY never even thought of replaced it which is NOT the fault of the phone yet this review made it seem like the quality of that inner screen was "just what happens to these phone" which is absolutely incorrect. That's also probably a good reason why the screen won't open as flat anymore since the lifted portion of the protector acts against the hinge and why it sounds nasty to close. It's not because of the phone - it's blatant negligence of the owner. I really hope he revisits this himself to give this kind of review justice.
Linus should have done this vid. Unless they're planning a full review ofc. He's the one of the few who is known to daily drive the fold.
I would be surprised if they didn't, it's the Galaxy Fold's most noteworthy competitor after all
Yea, I'm jealous since he has a newer water proof version. Though i will say that the only thing I've had break on my fold 2 is the charging port went out. And the front screen cracked from a foot fall and hit screen first on a corner of the metal foot for my desk. Just cracked when my s8 shattered from the same fall
Chances are he's trying the fold 5 atm
Seems like a huge missed opportunity to not have Linus do it. He would have a lot of experience and expertise as a daily driver of one.
@@GabrielRMthe fold 5 seems a bit old news and probably very predictable compared to the fresh fold though. Could be wrong but Samsung seems to be keeping it pretty safe lately.
"This will be the perfect DS Emulator."
Nintendo: And I took that personally...
Nintendo Will sue them again for encouraging emulation again. Luckily LMG is very big now and i'm pretty sure they have Lawsuit departement at this point
Surprised Nintendo didn’t C&D him for just mentioning the name of one of their consoles
The LG G8x might be a better DS Emulator due to the dual-screens being separate.
As long as you're not idiotic like dolphin and try to publicly request to put in in the storefront.. lol
I just wish that instead of having a camera bump they made phones thinker to put a bigger battery in and install some of the tech that's been removed over the years (looking at you 3.5 mm jack)
And SD card slot. I miss expandable storage
I... just don't like the foldable phones. mostly because i break everything and anything that touches my hands :(
I agree, beautiful phones but to expensive for us to break it.
It's ok Linus.
theyre also just not very useful
@breadone_ The zflip form factor is pretty useless but once you use a fold type it's world changing.
@@Guitarocker493 i dunno, i dont see the benefit of having a unwieldily big phone and a tiny tablet, when i could get a better phone and a better tablet for less money
The graphs are nice and all, but we really should be seeing at least the Galaxy Fold 4 if not also the 3 in each test. Sure it is nice to know how it stacks against "normal" devices, but we really should be seeing how it stacks against the competition. Especially since the intro talks about how it is pushing the market competition. Feels like a huge portion of the video was missed/cut for some reason.
Agreed. The first half preached competition then the second half completely ignored it.
Really weird to compare a folding phone to a non-foldable at this point. They are in their own categories. It's like comparing a regular slab phone to a tablet.
@@queeb2579 In other words, you didn't watch the video.
Hopefully Linus also takes a view at this phone too. Altho thas probably a main channel review vid. Would love to hear his thoughts since he's been repping foldables for a while now.
I'm actually really excited to see the 2nd generation attempt at this. I already like how the Pixel feels compared to the Galaxy (especially the form factor for their foldables, the Galaxy Fold always felt too skinny to me whereas the Pixel Fold actually feels like a phone when folded and a tablet when opened which is what I want from a foldable), but I also know Google is the king of first-gen fumbles so I'm cautious about the fold until the next gen.
That and the price tag, shouldn't have been more expensive than the competition on their 4th gen. Tough and niche market.
I actually enjoy the narrow nature of the z folds, makes single handed operation possible while folded and two handed when unfolded.
If we get a second generation...
I hear everyone complaining about how some apps aren't full screen on the inner display of the pixel fold compared to the galaxy folds. This is because when the galaxy fold opens, it's technically in portrait mode not landscape because of their different aspect ratio. If you orient the fold in landscape position apps like Instagram, don't take up the full screen.
Galaxy fold 3 owner since it's launch day! Just wanted to say two things: I think the screen durability has a LOT to do with what kind of user you are, how you handle texh devices in general, AND the climate you live in.
Foldables have an issue with the plastic inner screen protector becoming stuff in cold conditions, thus leading to bubbles, weird sounds, and I've read of folks who couldn't even open their galaxy folds in our right frigid temps because the screen protector essentially froze.
BUT if you're like me, live somewhere where it's warm to hot all year round - it's a none issue. I know a handful of other foldable users in my area and all of them have had zero screen issues when it comes to lifting or cracking - we've all been foldable owners for over two year'ish now.
The tech is really developing. I feel like the jump from the fold 2 to 3 was the biggest yet. Fold 4 was a nothing upgrade, and the Fold 5 feels like it could be the same.... Very tempted to jump to the pixel fold for a year until the Fold 6 comes out.
Regarding apps like Instagram not filling the screen, this is because they arent optimized for anything other than phones. Samsung doesn't actually get a win here. The difference is that the Galaxy Fold opens in a portrait orientation, while the Pixel Fold opens in landscape. If you rotate the Pixel Fold to portrait, the app looks exactly the same as it does on the Galaxy, while if you rotate the Galaxy to landscape, it looks like the default for the Pixel.
Elijah didn't take care of his phone. I've had the Z Fold 4, and my screen is as perfect as the day I got it! He also could have replaced the screen protector if damaged. I did the on my Z Flip 3.
I've had my pixel fold for a couple weeks now, and it has already been a huge benefit on the go for productivity/work related tasks. I carry a foldable Bluetooth keyboard (iclever), mouse (microsoft arc), and this phone instead of a laptop or full sized tablet for when I need to provide remote support to a coworker while out at the lake with the kids or something like that, instead of having to sit around the house 24/7 in case a request comes up while I'm on call. Yes, I'm in IT in an industry that works 24/7, and the company compensates us appropriately for the sometimes long hours.
Him: "I took it to the symphony..."
Me: "Ooh, fancy man."
Photo: "Bugs Bunny Symphony"
Me: "I see."
I’m actually very into the concept of a foldable phone that is both regular phone and a tablet, cause I feel it will slide into my routine very easily. But I will keep waiting for one of the brands to find the solution for the inner screen to become as sturdy and robust as outer screens. I understand the limitations we currently have, but still, I really don’t like how fragile those inner screens currently are.
Microsoft duo 2! No bendy screen bit to break and it still folds. Plus the little inner curve notification thing.
If only it was supported 😢
It's kind of a miss on the tablet side of things, at least for me, because I use tablets mostly for just watching video content, and because of the weird aspect ratio on foldables the video itself ends up being not much bigger than on the front screen. And I also think not everyone adapts their websites for those weird screens
@@quadroff I get what you mean, it is definitely all about the preferences. Personally I rarely watch youtube videos in fullscreen even on an ipad (on my phone especially) due to my adhd and a constant need for stimulation so this is not so much of an issue for me. I do also prefer surfing the web using the big screen.
@@livegolfismygt yeah, it kinda solves bending issue, but 2 separate screens is a dealbreaker for me. Can't see myself enjoying content with a gap in the middle of it. But thanks for mentioning that anyways.
Real life user of the fold 3. Had it since it came out in 2021. Literally not one issue with the internal display. It's actually held up SO MUCH BETTER than the outer display. Just sayin'
Ive been using the fold for weeks now, and its been wonderful. I came from a fold 3, and damn has it been nice. The fold had its perks, but I like to have a usable inner and outer screen
Interesting to hear with tech RUclipsrs just crapping on it after they got flown out to the event and pretended to like it. Except for Mr. Mobile lol
@@doomy_doomy2225hasn't the main gripe with it been the durability? As far as I understand they were explicitly told to be careful when demoing the pixel fold, so the fact that such an issue only showed itself outside of that environment doesn't seem all that surprising
@@doomy_doomy2225 People that buy it early will often have rose-tinted glasses when they review it, especially because we're talking about an $1,800 device.
Honestly, it's pretty piss-poor considering we're on the Fold 4, and it's been 4 years since the OG launched. And it's worse because this is Google we're talking about, they make the OS. And they couldn't even make stuff scale properly.
Using Elijah's obviously neglected phone & footage of JerryRigEverything trying to break the hinge by folding the phone in the opposite direction as some sort of indictment to folding phones is hilarious 😂😂. Where's Linus?
Elijah's phone really put me off foldables... is it completely avoidable to have it end up like that?
@@joeltaylor7741not avoidable but easy to fix, just remove the screen protection when it start to peel off. but after that you can't put a new one
I own a fold 4 since nearly a year ago, and it's nowhere near that state. I would even dare say it's mostly in pristine condition, and though I'm careful while handling it and do have samsung's s pen case on it, I don't have to baby it either. Elijah's inner screen protection is just peeling off, so it just needs to be replaced. I'm not sure how it got to that stage, though, mine barely has a scratch.
@@joeltaylor7741 I have had mine since September 14th 2022, inner screen looks mostly the same as when I got it other than smudges from finger oils.
To give an idea of how I use it: I only unfold it 2-5 times a day on average as i tend to use it folded for quick use and unfolded for most my media consumption, so will be unfolded a lot just not going between folded and unfolded a lot.
Yeah idk what Elijah did with his phone, but my fold 4 is still looking and functioning perfectly. I just have a dbrand skin on the back, and a cheap amazon screen protector on the front. I use it like any other phone ive owned, so i take care of it but i dont baby the thing. Only blemish i have is the internal screen protector is very slightly starting to pop up on the crease. When it does, I'll just have a new one put on from the factory
Im still on the fold 3. Had it for 2 years. My main screen started bubbling off from the middle twice. Just took it back to the retailer and they sent it off for a week to get fixed for free as it was still in the manufacturer warranty. If Elijah has only been using his 4 for a year. He needs to get this fixed before its too late
This makes me happy that I went with the surface duo2. I had it for almost 2 years and not a single hardware problem. Little software bugs and glitches exist, but it has 2 glass screens. No plastic feeling and no ugly plastic delamination.
I had the Duo1 and two Duo2 , all from eBay. They all have same damn problem of dead zones on the touch screen. I loved that phone and still have them but would not sell them with bad screens like they did me. Once the glass gets a crack on either side or the glass outer cover, it will develop dead zones so be careful.
Also the hinge goes bad on them as well so treat it slowly. Also another point is the pixel fold has the dullest feeling screen inside so I put a screen protector.
I love my Pixel Fold. It's become my favorite phone I've ever had. The form factor is just the best.
How is the battery life?
@@btmn80085 no battery life can justify an $1800 price tag
same here!
I'd like to shout out the usage of median in the graphs. The percentiles give a better idea of stuttering, and median gives a much better idea of general performance than mean.
The mean, without cleaning up the outliers, just gives a very skewed image of average performance.
You know why I liked my Motorola V3i? It was durable and you could slam it shut to end a call. I didn't have to worry about damaging it. All these modern foldables are the exact opposite of that. Close it too fast or with some accidental dirt inside the screen and your phone is ruined.
To be fair I'm not gonna buy a foldable so I can "slam it shut to end a call".
I'm getting a foldable for a bigger screen on the go.
The nice 5:6 aspect which close resembles 3:4 i think the internal 7" display would be a good candidate for classic game emulation.
idk about pixel fold but but z fold 4 you could slam shut even with some dust and the bezel would protect the screen. I guess it depends one who one does at work or as hobby but I strugle to think of a scenario where I would have the phone open and needed to close it in a way there would be high risk of damage.
That said I have to admit in the 6 months I did manage to nick the bezel in one spot, even the screen is curved around that spot but that's beyon the part with pixels and everythings still works.
Also sorry to disappoint you but you would need to get the flip to slam shout calls with folds you call with the phone closed typicaly.
I have a Fold4 as well, from pre-order, and I don't have the issues your Fold4 has. While the screenprotector coming off is true, it doesn't happen to everyone. Mine looks perfectly fine, looks like day 1. Just something I want to put out there.
I just took mine off but no problems other wise
I still rock the Fold 2 since pre-order, 3 years now. The screen protector finally peeled of 6 Month ago but everything else is in perfect condition. Just the battery is starting to degrade
I made the switch to the Samsung zfold 4 and it's been awesome, mostly. This doesn't look like it addresses any of the little snags, except for the front screen. I underestimated how much more convenient it is to use, but I'm still stuck with tablet apps. Hopefully now that they have skin in the fold game there'll be more apps that are optimised for folding phones. Tablet apps suck.
Tablet Spotify lets you pick songs without premium. As long as you open the app in unfolded mode, it'll work
Great video, but the way the USB cable was unpacked physically hurt me. What did the poor thing do to you? xD
I really want one of these. But the price point is too high for me to jump in on Gen 1. If they can nail down the widget/home screen experience (one setup for outside, one for open) I'd be game.
Samsung's Fold phones have that completely separate home screen experience. I've been using a Fold4 since December last year (Both screens still look the same as when it was new) & I've got a different wallpaper for the cover screen & the main screen
You just have to get a deal through a carrier. Got $1000 off mine. I wouldn't pay $1800 out of pocket either, but $800 is very standard for a higher end device.
I am dropping my Fold4 for the Pixel Fold. The apps not optimized for the wider screen do expand to full screen when you rotate the Pixel Fold to portrait, the reason it does this automatically on the Fold 4 is that it starts portrait. Longevity of the inner screen is always a concern but after almost a year of the Fold 4 my inner screen is pristine - what I want to hear is what other folks are doing or not doing (or the same) as me that their inner screen gets so borked.
Thank God someone said it lol. Everyone talking about "look at Twitter, it's not fullscreen" when it's literally 90° away.
@@austinlohse9990Also, if you don't want to rotate it and don't like the extra space, throw another app up there, and do two things at once. With the default orientation and aspect ratio of the Pixel Fold, you get two full sized apps side by side, unlike on the Galaxy Fold, where they get compressed super narrow.
The Pixel Fold will be my first foldable, but that's because I've been holding out for Google to make one. I just can't function without a Pixel phone at this point, and the Samsung UI and software experience is not for me at all.
@@chrisdpratt indeed, I agree. My point is that people seem to not realize that the Fold 4 and PF have the same size inner screen. It's just a different orientation. Most apps are not pillar boxed if you rotate.
Another benefit of the Samsung Folds, at least IMHO is OneUI, I can't stand the Pixel UI or pure Android UI. I wish Samsung made OneUI available for purchase and use on non-Samsung devices. I would jump to HMD Global/Nokia or Lenovo/Motorola if they made a flagship Foldable comparable to the Samsung Folds and were more repairable/Right To Repair friendly.
I've had my Fold 4 since launch (a 'hey, why not' purchase) and its inner screen is still utterly pristine. Elijah must be hella rough on his for the protector to have delaminated so much.
Same. Fold 3 changed my screen protector I have a few dents cause of my own fault but still good as new.
Same, seems like a skill issue
yeah clearly he doesn't give a F about it, wtf did he do with it, play ping pong with a rock.
While my fold 4 screen protector is not quite prestine, it's close to it. What on earth was Elijah doing to his to get it in that state
Same here, I've using mine since launch last year and it is near-pristine.
I actually use an external holder for my cell phone, I have a LG V60 Dual Screen. It still gets updates, and works great. I use my second screen to edit photos while I take photos on the main screen at the same time. Not to mention as a game controller, as well as using two apps at once.
I love my LGV60! I hardly use the wide view but I do use the dual screen a lot.
I don't really 'get' folding phones. First of all, they are a solution in search of a problem. Also they bring new problems (screen dying within a year) and they don't really solve anything.
With the "Fold" style I kind of agree, but the "Flip" ones are a great solution if compactness is what you care about (which I do)
You call it a solution in search of a problem. I call it a solution to a problem I've had for years. I'm a power user. I use mobile devices to achieve most of my work. I constantly use split screen and I never feel like I have enough space so I carry around a tablet for when I need more space. Now I can leave my tablet at home most days. Thanks to this.
@@cordellshackelford4037 A phone for a "power user"? What kind of "power user" apps do you use? Most people use their phone to watch TikToks, do some websurfing, use whatsapp, etc. These apps really don't need a large unfolding screen.
Also there are small tablets like the iPad mini that fit in almost any bag you have. And give a 100x better "power user" experience than this phone ever will.
Currently I see only FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) being the thing that drives people to buy them. When you take that away you're left with the most inferior phones on the market. And for their prices you can easily buy a flagship normal phone and a tablet.
@@BrandEver117 Flip phones used to be the most common phones before the "smartphone" became standard. The "flip" phones basically are a combination of the two. With the worst issues both have. Honestly I would love a full smart flip phone, but one that opens to a full keyboard and a screen.
0:41 the best way to destroy a brand new USB-C cable: stretch it by force regardless of the twist between the two ends.
What was the fatal flaw?
I know I get distracted sometimes, but I watched the video twice in case I missed something and I still don't get what the 'fatal' flaw is.
Or is clickbait the new LMG standard now that Linus stepped down?
Woa, my fold 4 screen protector is nowhere near that bad. Mine is only slightly coming off for a few mms on the top amd bottom
Until the folding screen is perfect, I would rather go with a surface duo than these phones.
You prefer unfinished software full of bugs and lack of support in the long run ?
@@jamescassar5348 No, conceptually, I would rather have a folding phone with 2 screens.
@@TheOmegaRiddler I'd personally take a crease over a split between 2 screens.
Definitely worth taking that inner screen protector off on the Samsung. When they start getting like that they actually trap dust and sand underneath which is what often causes them to break (or at the very least get scratched up)
It's amazing that all that dirt trapped under it has not killed the display, especially while folding. That protector should have been removed long ago.
I had a new pixel fold for one day. I would not charge with a 45w charger or wireless. I let it sit for 7 hrs and it went from 46% down to 36%. All before starting up the phone. I took it back to Tmobile, where the floor model had the same problem. The next day, a different Tmobile store let me know they had 3 new ones in stock. That fold started with 70% charge and in 30 minutes, I had 100% battery! I really like it. It is just a tad larger and taller than the iPhone 13 mini and the front screen is as wide as an iPhone pro max 13. I have average size hands and it fits very well.
The heating issues are Google Tensor a glorified Samsung Exynos. I've notice on the pixel 6 that once you start getting low signal the device tries to cook itself. Tensor should be done like Oppo's Mirisilicon and be a separate chip allowing Google to use a Snapdragon or Flagship MediaTek Dimensity chip.
The way you unfolded that usb cable made me wince.
Totally
Could you guys add a Linus thoughts spot to the video or the comments? I know Linus is busy and only gets to do maybe 1~2 short circuit videos a month but I believe alot of us viewers would like to hear Linus's thoughts considering he daily drives a Samsung Foldable.
> 0:41 Proceeds to rip the usb cable
Me: You’re a monster
I honestly wish they'd just make phones thicker again with bigger batteries and a jack xD It has been at least 8 years since I last thought "man this phone is kinda thick". I feel like they could add half the thickness and it would still be fine :x
In the heart of the tech world, a new challenger emerged on the horizon. The Google Pixel Fold, a device that dared to challenge the reigning champion, Samsung, in the realm of folding phones. The battlefield was set, the audience of tech enthusiasts from around the globe watched with bated breath, and the herald of this epic clash was none other than ShortCircuit.
The Pixel Fold was a sight to behold. Its sleek exterior, completely flat when closed, was unlike any other. It was a testament to Google's attention to detail, ensuring that the phone was not only functional but also aesthetically pleasing. The phone's stout form, thicker than the taller candy bar shape of the Fold 4, gave it a unique appeal. It was as if a modern smartphone had been fused with the nostalgic charm of a DS.
The phone's features were equally impressive. The volume rocker and power button doubled as a fingerprint scanner, a clever design choice that showcased Google's innovative spirit. The speaker grille, the cutout for millimeter wave 5G, and the multiple microphone holes were all neatly arranged, each serving a specific purpose in the grand scheme of the phone's design.
But the true marvel was the phone's hinge. This multi-alloy polished hinge was the backbone of the Pixel Fold, the component that allowed the phone to transform from a compact device to a larger, more immersive screen. It was a testament to Google's engineering prowess, a symbol of the technological advancements that made the Pixel Fold possible.
The phone was put to the test, its features scrutinized under the discerning eye of ShortCircuit. The fingerprint scanner, the software, the speakers, the display, and the camera were all put through their paces. Each feature was evaluated, its strengths and weaknesses laid bare for all to see.
But the true test was in the lab results. The Pixel Fold was compared to the Fold 4, its performance measured against the reigning champion. It was a clash of titans, a battle that would determine the future of folding phones.
As the dust settled, it was clear that the Pixel Fold was a formidable contender. It had its strengths and weaknesses, but it held its own against the Fold 4. It was a testament to Google's determination to carve a niche for itself in the realm of folding phones.
And so, the epic saga of the Google Pixel Fold unfolded. It was a journey of innovation and determination, a story of a device that dared to challenge the status quo. As the audience applauded the performance of the Pixel Fold, they were left with a sense of awe and anticipation. The battle had ended, but the journey of the Pixel Fold was just beginning. Here's to the next chapter in the epic saga of folding phones!
This phone is Official! Everything that is a need is done well. It did get very hot day 1 and took 2 and a half hours to charge. But there was a software update and it charges faster now and the battery drains less. Taking a Photo on the Pixel Fold and you Immediately notice the difference between a Pixel and a Samsung Camera. Samsung is not touching the Pixel Fold Still Camera. Somehow the Screen resolution is better. . I Highly Recommend, this is my new Favorite Foldable phone and I Once owned Z Fold 2, 3, & 4.
14:10 The camera comparison between the main camera and the selfie external camera is flawed. The lighting is different in both images due to bright lights behind you. This underexposes your skin whereas there are no bright lights in the main camera image which results in a brighter skin complexion.
The superzoom is amazing for contractors. I can take data plate pictures of far away equipment and get the manufacturer info I need to get the right parts. I use a S22 Ultra right now, looking at folding phones for the screen real estate for reading manuals, contracts, spreadsheets, and the like. Hundreds per year gets old fast.
For those looking to buy this phone, its a great phone. I have used Z fold 4 and this seems to be more practical when it comes to the usability of the outer screen. However, you have to be careful with the inner screen because the dust particle may get stuck along the hinge alloy and then when you unfold it, they would get pushed inside resulting in dead pixels/screen blackout. It happened with me but I had warranty so I got it replaced. Since then I use a case which covers the hinge as well. VRS design has those cases. I highly recommend them as I have been using the case on my pixel fold for the past one month and never had any issues. I had many other issues including wireless charging not working when I got it initially. The replacement pixel fold that they sent me is working great with no issues thus far..
Pixel? Flaw? You don't say!
Still wonder how a class action lawsuit hasnt been filed against google for the number of products that've had issues
My dad's been using the fold 4 since it was released and has no problem with the screen, but the hinge seems to be slightly more loose than before...
I hope google improves the Pixel Fold 2 next time
Durability of this phone is why I'm glad I didn't hold out for it and got a Fold 4 instead (on launch day). I've abused the absolute SHIT out of this thing (pretty mobile job, lot of bumping into things and a fair few drops) and it's been a killer. My biggest complaint is software, and nowadays that's mostly just websites not supporting the more narrow aspect ratio and breaking.
I'm a heating engineer and use my Fold 3, since release, daily with plenty of abuse. Probably treat myself to a fold 5 when they land.
The audio switch to the selfie video scared me to death. the spatial audio put it behind me over my shoulder for some reason
8:55 thats not "neat" behavior, that's lazy coding that's responding to device orientation rather than viewport size. Yiu should get the dual pane view at all times when unfolded, not just in landscape.
4:55... Technically it is sort of dust resistant... They just saved costs by not having it tested for dust resistance... But if it can survive being dunked in water (being IPX8) then it can probably repel large dust particles...
Yes but it may mean sea water would absolutely destroy it so it's only applicable to pool water.
I thought I was watching The Verge and was about to write a comment that this was a straight up copy of Short Circuit
It's not actually stock Android, just because it doesn't have a thicc skin on top. This is stock Android + Google Play Services and apps + Pixel customizations. The only thing I would call stock Android would be plain AOSP which basically no manufacturer puts in from the factory.
May seem pedantic but it's important because if this was stock then you would expect all other manufacturers to have all of this phones features plus whatever they put in - as if this was the baseline which it's not.
How was the Genshin performance? You guys showed it every phone refresh, but left it out ?
Did it not work on the bigger screen I side?
Click bait title.
Where is the "fatal flaw", seems like its one of the best folding phones.
I've daily driven a Galaxy Z Fold 4 for around a year now and I have not experienced the screen protector seperation weirdly enough. For sure I would purchase the Pixel Fold because it's aspect ratios are much more natural than the Z Fold, the Folds inner and outer screen both have odd aspect ratios for consuming content imo.
Annd the pixel doesn't?? What am I missing here?
The fold has a thinner than average outer screen compared to other phones and the inner screen seems to make some apps feel awkward when split down the middle, the pixel seems to give better ratios for multi tasking/media consumption
almost 7 minutes before its even turned on ☠
Imagine having security updates that will outlive the actual product. These phones are Alpha versions, a short lifespan for sure.
Elijah should just take off that protector lol
Yep. That is also the reason it won't open flat. The plastic protector isn't doing it's job properly at that point. You can also see the huge air gap between the screen and protector. You don't want to trap any dirt between them.
Dude you have 1 free screen protector replacement from Samsung. Go to a Samsung repair shop wait 2h and good as new.
After that 80 euro(about 90 canadian) each replacement.
That phone only looks like crap because the owner is lazy.
In order for me to consider the pixel fold 2 it will need to be:
1. Lighter
2. Better battery life
3. A rubber ring to keep dust and water out of the inner screen.
23:37 that crisp sound!!
I don't think the camera comparison was done fairly. All the selfies were taken with different lighting.
I don't understand why Google put tensor 2 instead of tensor 3 in 1700$ smartphone
Pixel fold pro 🙊
Cuz they didn’t have g3 ready yet???! What type of question is that 💀
As a Fold 3 user I want to see that wide formfactor in Fold 5. Also I do not understand why people do not change internal screen protector when it decides to separate. I changed mine to whitestone silk dome and its glass-like feeling is so much better than default plastic one and it is flawless for more than a year for me.
I'm a big fan of the Pixel flavor of android but also appreciate cutting edge tech. I've tried Samsung devices in the past (not a fold) and just can't get past the software experience. So with the Fold I'm happy that I found a device that hits both my cool tech and good software experience. Yes, it's stupid expensive but I have the means and enjoy using the device. So maybe I'm the 1% this was built for but I'm happy with it.
I enjoy their software experience. It is a little more "appl-y" and google takes alot of it to their base system too. However, the animations kill it some times. Making you push a button but the animation wasn't complete and it doesn't actually push. If you turn them off, or even .5 rather than 1x it helps alot!!!
Interestingly, I'm the exact opposite, I much prefer the Samsung OneUI compared to any other Android UI, including Pixel. Maybe it's because I had multiple Nokia Symbian S60 smartphones, then the Nokia N9 with MeeGo Harmattan and SwipeUI and then went to BlackBerry 10...I still miss my N9 and Passport. OneUI reminds me so much of SwipeUI and BB10, which is why I prefer it to anything else. Just goes to show you how far ahead Nokia and BB actually were, they knew where the market was going in terms of UI/UX, they were simultaneously 18-24 months too late to market and 7 or 8 years too early to market with MeeGo and BB10 respectively. Might have had a 3 or 4 mobile OS options today if both could have given their huge user base modern mobile operating systems just a little bit earlier. Competition is a good thing!
Anyways, I digress...that's off topic.
I have this phone. Its great for my use case. I work in IT and I am very mobile with my job duties, so having a larger screen when I need it, is super useful. I very rarely play mobile games. I've had high end gaming phones in the past, mobile gaming sucks because touch screen controls suck. I rather carry around a second dedicated mobile device with controls for gaming. The fold is a great device for my use case and I love it.
The Fold 4 is also a great DS emulator.
It also has the added benefit of being slightly long, so if you have to use the virtual buttons there's plenty of room remaining for the dual screens.
Although I just hide the buttons and attach one of the USB-C controller thingies from Amazon. (I use the Gamesir, but any should work. I went with physical connector to eliminate lag, which was pretty significant on bluetooth devices for Nvidia Geforce Now. You just have to pick the model that has the connector on the left side of the controller instead of the right, or your screen will fold downward instead of upward, which can be hard to get used to and awkward to hold.)
edit: What the fuck happened to that Fold?? I've had my 4 for a year as well and it looks *nothing* like that. I've even dropped mine and dented my hinge, and my Fold 4 looks like it just came out of the box in comparison to that one. I had a Fold 2 for two years and *it* looked nothing like that when I turned it in for the 4. Lord have mercy on any phone that finds itself in the possession of that person.
😂😂😂 Jerry happened
I hate how the solution to the lack of tablet-sized UI is using the Progressive Web App (PWA) versions of apps you need to install via web browsers like Chrome.
WTF I've had my Fold 3 for two years and aside from having to have the screen protector replaced (it only lasts about a year before removing itself from center out) it is clean, flat, and looking great. The state of that Fold 4 is due to negligence.
I was thinking the same thing. That person probably can't take care of a normal smartphone. Then showing JerryRigEverything literally trying to break the phone to say folding phones have weak hinges 🤣🤣. I've yet to run into a scenario when I had to fold my phone in the opposite firrction
Your screen protector coming off from the inside out, at some point during 2 years really invalidates your argument. I'd like to believe this person was mishandling their fold4 but you make it sound like the screen protector issues naturally occur for everyone.
I got a Fold 4 in excellent condition off eBay for $800 265 GB. I cant recommend it enough to pick up a used one. I dont recommend the pixel fold until they're on the used market. Even then the inside screen is more fragile. So if you're on the fence go for the fold 4 used.
Its essentially a portable tablet that supports s pen. There's nothing better than playing genshin impact on that inside screen. Samsung Knights Unite.
I've had my fold 4 for about a year and it does not look like his. Wow. Mine looks perfect.....
As a fold user, i'm not a huge fan of the inside aspect ratio, but the outside looks amazing, would love to be proved wrong tho
1:12 "When I see the foam I am in my zone"
Google joining the fold means massive ui improvments in google applications very exciting
The one thing I hear often praised about the Pixel Fold and absolutely agree with is the form factor. Very easy to reach everything with one hand when it's closed and when open it closely resembles a proper tablet. It's a shame the Fold 2 is deviating from these proportions because I think they got them right on the first try.
it's coming to england, one of the networks here are offering it already as a pre-order. am sold on the concept, but none of the foldables so far have looked past the early bugs
I don't understand why all the comparison metrics did not include a fold 4....
It's too bad this breaks if you get so much as some pocket lint stuck between the screens
It is puzzling that Google went with the badly flawed Tensor G2 chip when they could have used their newer chip.
The lens should get some sponsorship from MJ Estate. Making you whiter than Casper.
10:41 - That is the most abnormal head movement I've ever seen. How is he doing that O_O
Fatal flaw is this video didn't clickbait hard enough to be on LTT TV livestream
SHORTcircuit and we‘re at nearly half an hour. I‘m sorry for my rant, but eight minutes talk about the camera on a folding phone? This isn‘t made by Leica. Every phone camera either has too much processing or a bad camera in the first place today. I know phones aren‘t phone first anymore, but camera first? That‘s not why you buy a folding one.
It's honestly embarrasing that flagship phones these days don't even have sd card support...
Now i personally use a usb c stick, which is nice to, but you can't have it plugged in all the time now can you?
You technically can... but No.
You can. Just buy an xperia
@@fantasytky28 What if I don't want to? :)
@@zackzeed I don't know man
Google tries to pay reviewers to hype the outer screen because the inner screen, software and hardware have deficiencies and are inconsistent across the board among users. 1st gen is no excuse to use dated hardware and unfinished software. Using the same chip as their $499 budget phone was a deal breaker.
25 minute short circuit? lol. This should be a Linus video as he dailys a foldable.
I'm really confused by this video, apologies as I only skimmed through it. But I can't see where you actually talk in detail about the screen? Just some looking at it while it's off.
Should be it's own chapter/segment in the video on a phone that's whole USP/gimmick is the folding screen.
this dude has the best voice in the entire linus sex tips crew
As a flip4 owner, yes please. I would love to see more companies adopt the Flip & Fold styles to get some diversity.
22:05 is it possible to put some more relevant charging times in for upcomming phones? Maybe some other foldables, iphones and some actually fast charging phones like xiaomi.
Is that really how you're supposed to open the cables? 0:41
4:15 given the screens touch when closed, where did the 0.1" come from? 0.5" closed, 0.2" open...? So it either gets fatter when closed, or magically thinner when open.
The Labs may take accurate readings, but you guys really have to work on how you process and present your data. Measuring charging by % is not good because those phones don't all have the same battery size and layout, so you have to normalize for battery capacity. In theory, all those phones should be charging at the same rate, so you're measuring how well their fast charging algorithm works. The Fold and Zenphone are practically the same for fast charging for an hour. The Xperia is the outlier and the best phone in this metric, and the one-hour chart at 65W doesn't show it. 77% for the Pixel fold is 3,712mAh, meanwhile the Zenfone at 87% is 3,741mAh, which is close enough. At 86%, the Xperia is at 4,300mAh. We can see that the Zenphone and the Fold charge at the same rate, both much slower than the Xperia.
The same logic applies to the charging time, lower isn't necessarily better, and even where it is, the way it is presented is misleading. The Zenphone has a charge rate of 53.75mAh/m, the Fold has a charge rate of 50.22mAh/m, and the Xperia has a charging rate of 53.76mAh/m. We can clearly see that the Xperia and Zenphone have the same charge rate, but the Xperia takes more time because its battery is 16% larger, which also happens to be the difference between 93 minutes and 80 minutes.
Pixel Fold is available outside the US, I have one in the UK.
Just remove the screen protector. They are useless. I remove them the day I get the phone. My Fold4 has no screen dmg, beyond the normal crease any folding screen will have. Also, maybe don't play football with your phone and pass it around like a ball. :P
How is nobody talking about his “gummy gamer goo” while smearing it on the inside screen?!
I'm starting to get the feeling that a lot of fold users just DON'T take care of their phones properly. I've had my fold 4 for just shy of a year now and the screen protector has not peeled even slightly and it still opens flat.
I don't know if it's because I don't rip the screen open super fast, or because I keep every phone in a case of some variety but so far, nothing like this has happened.
No offense to this presenter, but I seriously think Linus should have been the one to review this first given his direct experience with folding phones. He most likely would have immediately brought up during the Fold 4 comparison that you can TAKE OFF THE SCREEN PROTECTOR AND REPLACE IT. The screen protector on the Fold 4 is like any other - it will get dirty and nasty over time and eventually needs to be replaced. The only difference however is once it gets incredibly dirty the adhesive gives up at the hinge points which immediately tells you it's time to replace it. Whoever was using that Fold CLEARLY never even thought of replaced it which is NOT the fault of the phone yet this review made it seem like the quality of that inner screen was "just what happens to these phone" which is absolutely incorrect. That's also probably a good reason why the screen won't open as flat anymore since the lifted portion of the protector acts against the hinge and why it sounds nasty to close. It's not because of the phone - it's blatant negligence of the owner.
I really hope he revisits this himself to give this kind of review justice.
I thought LMG did not do mid-roll ads, but I got almost 5 mid-roll ads all mid-sentences.