I have been pretty impressed by Elgato Epoccam. It can use WIFI, to the desktop app which gives you some nice image and exposure control. Pretty snappy. It can also output NDI. You can also use the NewTek NDI viewer utility app to output fullscreen to an HDMI output on a Macbook, which is a good free option. MItti by has NDI cues, so you can have muliple NDI inputs on one channel of your switcher. Pretty handy.
@@extramedium3920 mind providing me some information on how to get this into my ATEM software. The desktop app works great but I don’t know how to get the feed from the desktop app to my ATEM
About the BirdDog Play: It does not support NDI HX1, Only HX2 and HX3. Most apps today use the latest version of NDI HX but it's a good idea to check the tech specs. before buying one.
Thanks for making this video - great information! I wonder if you could use more than 1 Apple TV (1 per input?) for multiple iPhone angles. This would most likely need to be ethernet connected. In the same way, could a Raspberry Pi be configured as an Airplay receiver and used the same way? It would be super cheap to make a stake of 4 Pi's and add a network switch to a mobile rig!
Can you explain more about shoot pro app using lightning-hdmi-av adapter? Can we use obs studio to control any of the options? Like zooming in or changing brightness?
Nice information. I don’t think I’d use any option that takes over my laptop/computer because I’m usually using that to stream. But the other stuff is great.
Hi Aaron. Thanks a lot for your contents as they really help me doing my live streams. About NDI, I've used NDI HX Camerap app and use NDI Studio app as a receiver on my pc. The rest is just as using airplay. Just donload the free NDI Tools and you'll even get to receive NDI signal as a webcam input if you need it.
Receiving NDI as a webcam is a cool trick! It looks like the NDI Studio app has a way to output the video full screen on one of the monitors of the PC too, very cool. I tend to stay away from Windows solutions though because of a long history of bad experiences using Windows computers in live events. But if it works for you that's great!
@ Aaron Parecki For wireless video pass from phones and other computers, NDI has worked well for me as long as it's on a 5GHz wifi. Usually, I pull it into OBS to redo some overlays. Still, the Studio Monitor app for Windows permits a clean feed straight to a monitor that can easily be rerouted into an ATEM. Using a Galaxy S20 with the NDI HX camera app, kinda hate that it's a paid app. Otherwise, for Android clean feeds, most of the other solutions I've used before pulled a feed into OBS with a plugin, such as DroidCam or IP Webcam, both of which are a little higher latency than NDI HX. Would be interesting to try the Birdog Play option...
Awesome tips. Thanks Aaron. I was actually thinking ( of course there will be a huge latency) Iriun App sending to OBS= use OBS virtual cam into HDMI out from your computer to the Atem. That way you can still use your computer for other stuff. I am assuming there will be a remarkable delay though
That sounds like an interesting option too! I do agree that there will probably be more latency with that option compared to the others here, but it might be okay!
A good alternative to the devices reviewed in this video is the EZCast Pro Box II wifi receiver. This stand-alone receiver outputs HDMI up to 4K30, and connects to iPhone, Android, Mac or PC devices through its own 5GHz wifi receiver, or connected via ethernet to an external wifi network. It comes with free iOS and Android apps to manage camera and connection options, and supports both AirPlay and Miracast. The apps that run on laptops support built-in webcams and don't take over the laptop. Up to four smart phones and/or laptops can connect to the EZCast Pro simultaneously, displayed in a four-corner grid on-screen. All these devices require careful attention to wifi network coverage and bandwidth, but once you get the EZCast Pro properly configured and the phone apps installed, it's easy to connect multiple video devices, including ATEM switchers that lack SuperSource.
@@QuicksilverSG so it would be the EZCast hdmi output -> ATEM switcher? So it would just input into the ATEM as one of the sources? I’m thinking of buying one for a video production setup thanks for the info
@@QuicksilverSG so it would be the EZCast hdmi output -> ATEM switcher? So it would just input into the ATEM as one of the sources? I’m thinking of buying one for a video production setup thanks for the info
Even with the lifetime subscription option, I don’t get an option to send audio on my iPhone 14 Pro Max via either AirPlay or NDI . . . Air Camera, OTOH, does in fact send audio over AirPlay.
Thank you for great work on your youtube channel. I had a question about Atem Mini Extreme ISO (HDMI as well as SDI). So we have 2 HDMI Aux outputs and we an send Multiview through that. My question is can we have Cam 1 to 4 via Multiview 1 via HDMI 1 and Cam 5 to 8 via Multiview 2 via HDMI 2. Assuming I have connected 8 cams to my Atem Mini Extreme. And similarly for the SDI version can I do 4 different multiviews with a combination of different cameras, etc. Waiting for your reply...
There is only one multiviewer on the ATEM Mini Extreme, so you can't have separate multiviews going out the different ports. The larger ATEMs like the ATEM 2M/E Constellation HD have multiple multiviewers. That said, you can get up to 16 boxes on the multiview on the ATEM Mini Extreme, so you can definitely show all 8 cameras on the multiview screen, just not as 1/4 screen boxes.
What possibilities would there be, using the Blackmagic Camera App camera, as a input to the Atem? Would it be possible to directly have a cable from the iPhone, with a hdmi into the Atem?
Yes, the Blackmagic camera app has a clean HDMI out setting. Then you can either use an HDMI adapter for your phone and a cable, or share wirelessly using AirPlay to an Apple TV
Anyone find iPhone camera apps (NDI or otherwise) that will work in the background? For a band, that all already has iPads in front of them with sheet music, it would be awesome if all of those could suddenly become POV cameras but of course they still need to be able to read the music. Every camera app I've tried doesn't work if it's not in the foreground.
Hey aaron, did you already tried to use multiple iphones in the atem mini? I tried with an original adapter to each one (each one in a port) and failed.
@@aaronpk Only one works. From the second, the mirroring simply does not appear on the screen. I've already tested the cables and ports, but apparently they have no problem. Are you able to take this test? This subject even has the potential to originate a good video about it because I didn't find anything about it on the internet
My only question is how do you connect the apple tv to computer or just the network only coz it doesn’t appear the apple tv on my iphone 8plus mirroring? Pls show the connection. Thanks.
I got in in 2020 because at that time it was the cheapest way to get landscape mode on video from my (I think) iPhone XR. Also VERY useful for another reason - my wife's studio (I do the tech and video for her online teaching) has banks of LED lights. It's refresh rate cause horizontal bands to scroll up the screens. I adjusted frames per scond down and voila the bands disappeared.
I've really struggled with my birddog play over wifi. I setup my cell phone about 10 feet away and I get dropped signals. I actually think it isn't the birddog, but is the wifi network and radio interference. I sure wish I could get around that issue.
Yeah that does sound like a wifi problem. There's a few things you can do, like change the channel of your wifi router to one that isn't in use by other nearby access points. I'd search RUclips for tips on getting better wifi performance.
How do you reconcile frame rate issues? I'm guessing you're working with an ATEM that supports multiple frame rates simultaneously. Is there a way to customize the frame-rate going into the ATEM with the iPhone? For instance, if I chose to purchase an AppleTV to stream an iPhone signal to my ATEM, could I set the Apple TV HDMI output to 29.97FPS? Thanks for any and all help!
Thankfully the ATEM Mini and all the new generation ATEM switchers have frame rate converters on the inputs. So the way it works is you choose what frame rate you want the ATEM to operate at internally, and then all the inputs will be converted to that frame rate before the signal gets into the video switcher. I don't think the Apple TV has an explicit frame rate setting, but you might be able to "trick" it by using an EDID emulator device to tell the Apple TV what frame rate to send out the output. Then you can use one of the iPhone camera apps that lets you choose what frame rate it films at just for good measure. That'd be an interesting thing to test end to end though... maybe a good video idea when I have the time!
Yeah I didn't do a direct latency comparison, but none of them will be as good as a directly connected cable. NDI and the AppleTV Airplay aren't too bad tho depending on what you're doing
@@aaronpk did you re-sync the audio when showing the phone feeds? your lips didn't seem terribly out of sync. But when you showed your over-the-shoulder shot, your movements were very clearly behind
@@robdavy4468 Yes, otherwise it looks very distracting 😅 It would be a whole separate video topic to talk about all the various considerations for handling differently synced video and audio feeds! Oh also worth noting that if I had been using the phone's microphone (or a wireless mic running into the phone) then the audio would be in sync with the phone's video, but only out of sync compared to other cameras. See this is why it's a whole separate video topic
@@robdavy4468 well only if you're trying to match video from a wireless camera with audio that's hardwired. That goes for the wireless HDMI transmitters too. Generally I tell people to use wireless cameras when the audio sync doesn't matter, like if you're using an iPhone for a top down view where you can't see the person talking in the shot.
@@aaronpk Many thanks for your answer but please advice me more in this area? I am not good in this area at all and will really appriciate your help in this question. So my quesions: 1. Do I need some extrnal hardware for using an (or several) android mobile(s) as (one of) input cameras into the Atem mini? For.ex. can a chorme cast or a Mirascreen or something other be used in this area? Or I just need some USB C HDMI adapter for connecting USB C to the mobile and HDMI to the Atem Mini? 2. Do I need some software/app for using an (or several) android mobile(s) as (one of) input cameras into the Atem mini? In this case which app? Does the Black magic's software itself, offer some possibility/function for this need? Many thanks in advance!
Great video! I absolutely love how you broke it out and provided very valuable real-world insight. The actual footage is fantastic too!
Super usefull video! Thanks Aaron.
I have been pretty impressed by Elgato Epoccam. It can use WIFI, to the desktop app which gives you some nice image and exposure control. Pretty snappy. It can also output NDI. You can also use the NewTek NDI viewer utility app to output fullscreen to an HDMI output on a Macbook, which is a good free option. MItti by has NDI cues, so you can have muliple NDI inputs on one channel of your switcher. Pretty handy.
@@extramedium3920 mind providing me some information on how to get this into my ATEM software. The desktop app works great but I don’t know how to get the feed from the desktop app to my ATEM
About the BirdDog Play: It does not support NDI HX1, Only HX2 and HX3. Most apps today use the latest version of NDI HX but it's a good idea to check the tech specs. before buying one.
Good tip! That might be why I had problems with it when I first got it. It started working much better after the firmware update
Hello Aaron
Thanks for this video, very interesting.
What kind of appleTV can be used? Can i use a 1st generation appleTV?
I can't remember exactly but I suspect the first gen isn't fast enough to get a good picture from it. But the last few generations should be fine
If you have a Roland Aerocaster or UVC 02, then the Roland Aerocaster Switcher app is great software for using phones wirelessly.
Can you make a video of how to make setup for a live conference using remote interpreters? Using rf headphones or personal phones. Thank you
Thanks for making this video - great information! I wonder if you could use more than 1 Apple TV (1 per input?) for multiple iPhone angles. This would most likely need to be ethernet connected. In the same way, could a Raspberry Pi be configured as an Airplay receiver and used the same way? It would be super cheap to make a stake of 4 Pi's and add a network switch to a mobile rig!
Can you explain more about shoot pro app using lightning-hdmi-av adapter? Can we use obs studio to control any of the options? Like zooming in or changing brightness?
Nice information. I don’t think I’d use any option that takes over my laptop/computer because I’m usually using that to stream. But the other stuff is great.
Yeah, definitely more a "if you have a spare computer lying around" kind of thing
Fantastic info, thanks so much for this. Just curious, which phone were you using in your demo? The image quality is excellent.
That's my current phone, the iPhone 13 Pro
Hi Aaron. Thanks a lot for your contents as they really help me doing my live streams.
About NDI, I've used NDI HX Camerap app and use NDI Studio app as a receiver on my pc. The rest is just as using airplay.
Just donload the free NDI Tools and you'll even get to receive NDI signal as a webcam input if you need it.
Receiving NDI as a webcam is a cool trick! It looks like the NDI Studio app has a way to output the video full screen on one of the monitors of the PC too, very cool. I tend to stay away from Windows solutions though because of a long history of bad experiences using Windows computers in live events. But if it works for you that's great!
@ Aaron Parecki For wireless video pass from phones and other computers, NDI has worked well for me as long as it's on a 5GHz wifi. Usually, I pull it into OBS to redo some overlays. Still, the Studio Monitor app for Windows permits a clean feed straight to a monitor that can easily be rerouted into an ATEM. Using a Galaxy S20 with the NDI HX camera app, kinda hate that it's a paid app. Otherwise, for Android clean feeds, most of the other solutions I've used before pulled a feed into OBS with a plugin, such as DroidCam or IP Webcam, both of which are a little higher latency than NDI HX.
Would be interesting to try the Birdog Play option...
Awesome tips. Thanks Aaron. I was actually thinking ( of course there will be a huge latency) Iriun App sending to OBS= use OBS virtual cam into HDMI out from your computer to the Atem. That way you can still use your computer for other stuff. I am assuming there will be a remarkable delay though
That sounds like an interesting option too! I do agree that there will probably be more latency with that option compared to the others here, but it might be okay!
A good alternative to the devices reviewed in this video is the EZCast Pro Box II wifi receiver. This stand-alone receiver outputs HDMI up to 4K30, and connects to iPhone, Android, Mac or PC devices through its own 5GHz wifi receiver, or connected via ethernet to an external wifi network. It comes with free iOS and Android apps to manage camera and connection options, and supports both AirPlay and Miracast. The apps that run on laptops support built-in webcams and don't take over the laptop. Up to four smart phones and/or laptops can connect to the EZCast Pro simultaneously, displayed in a four-corner grid on-screen. All these devices require careful attention to wifi network coverage and bandwidth, but once you get the EZCast Pro properly configured and the phone apps installed, it's easy to connect multiple video devices, including ATEM switchers that lack SuperSource.
It's not cheap!
How would you connect Atem? Through hdmi into the EZCast? Or how??
@@koto9x - EZCast Pro Box II has a 4K HDMI output. You can configure it to output whichever video format your ATEM switcher requires.
@@QuicksilverSG so it would be the EZCast hdmi output -> ATEM switcher? So it would just input into the ATEM as one of the sources? I’m thinking of buying one for a video production setup thanks for the info
@@QuicksilverSG so it would be the EZCast hdmi output -> ATEM switcher? So it would just input into the ATEM as one of the sources? I’m thinking of buying one for a video production setup thanks for the info
Even with the lifetime subscription option, I don’t get an option to send audio on my iPhone 14 Pro Max via either AirPlay or NDI . . .
Air Camera, OTOH, does in fact send audio over AirPlay.
Thank you for great work on your youtube channel. I had a question about Atem Mini Extreme ISO (HDMI as well as SDI). So we have 2 HDMI Aux outputs and we an send Multiview through that. My question is can we have Cam 1 to 4 via Multiview 1 via HDMI 1 and Cam 5 to 8 via Multiview 2 via HDMI 2. Assuming I have connected 8 cams to my Atem Mini Extreme. And similarly for the SDI version can I do 4 different multiviews with a combination of different cameras, etc. Waiting for your reply...
There is only one multiviewer on the ATEM Mini Extreme, so you can't have separate multiviews going out the different ports. The larger ATEMs like the ATEM 2M/E Constellation HD have multiple multiviewers. That said, you can get up to 16 boxes on the multiview on the ATEM Mini Extreme, so you can definitely show all 8 cameras on the multiview screen, just not as 1/4 screen boxes.
@@aaronpk yes that helps, and thanks for prompt reply. Saying again love your channel...
What possibilities would there be, using the Blackmagic Camera App camera, as a input to the Atem? Would it be possible to directly have a cable from the iPhone, with a hdmi into the Atem?
Yes, the Blackmagic camera app has a clean HDMI out setting. Then you can either use an HDMI adapter for your phone and a cable, or share wirelessly using AirPlay to an Apple TV
Anyone find iPhone camera apps (NDI or otherwise) that will work in the background? For a band, that all already has iPads in front of them with sheet music, it would be awesome if all of those could suddenly become POV cameras but of course they still need to be able to read the music. Every camera app I've tried doesn't work if it's not in the foreground.
Hey aaron, did you already tried to use multiple iphones in the atem mini? I tried with an original adapter to each one (each one in a port) and failed.
There shouldn't be any issue running multiple phones over HDMI. What kind of problem did you have?
@@aaronpk Only one works. From the second, the mirroring simply does not appear on the screen. I've already tested the cables and ports, but apparently they have no problem. Are you able to take this test? This subject even has the potential to originate a good video about it because I didn't find anything about it on the internet
My only question is how do you connect the apple tv to computer or just the network only coz it doesn’t appear the apple tv on my iphone 8plus mirroring? Pls show the connection. Thanks.
Any apps that will output a clean feed that will utilize cinematic mode or shallow depth of field ?
Hello there. Atem mini pro or Sling studio which is better for live streaming on youtube?
I was a big fan of the Sling Studio back in the day, but it's been discontinued and even the website is offline now, so I would not recommend it.
Sorry, I missed a step. Talking about a miracast device, how do you get that into the ATEM?
Those just have an HDMI port so they plug in to one of the inputs on the ATEM like you would plug them in to a TV
@@aaronpk so you are plugging the miracast device directly into an ATEM HDMI input port?
yeah exactly
iPhone app Filmic pro “legacy” should work, if you bought Filmic pro before Aug 2022.
I got in in 2020 because at that time it was the cheapest way to get landscape mode on video from my (I think) iPhone XR. Also VERY useful for another reason - my wife's studio (I do the tech and video for her online teaching) has banks of LED lights. It's refresh rate cause horizontal bands to scroll up the screens. I adjusted frames per scond down and voila the bands disappeared.
Great video
Why not obs ninja ?
I've really struggled with my birddog play over wifi. I setup my cell phone about 10 feet away and I get dropped signals. I actually think it isn't the birddog, but is the wifi network and radio interference. I sure wish I could get around that issue.
Yeah that does sound like a wifi problem. There's a few things you can do, like change the channel of your wifi router to one that isn't in use by other nearby access points. I'd search RUclips for tips on getting better wifi performance.
How do you reconcile frame rate issues? I'm guessing you're working with an ATEM that supports multiple frame rates simultaneously. Is there a way to customize the frame-rate going into the ATEM with the iPhone? For instance, if I chose to purchase an AppleTV to stream an iPhone signal to my ATEM, could I set the Apple TV HDMI output to 29.97FPS? Thanks for any and all help!
Thankfully the ATEM Mini and all the new generation ATEM switchers have frame rate converters on the inputs. So the way it works is you choose what frame rate you want the ATEM to operate at internally, and then all the inputs will be converted to that frame rate before the signal gets into the video switcher.
I don't think the Apple TV has an explicit frame rate setting, but you might be able to "trick" it by using an EDID emulator device to tell the Apple TV what frame rate to send out the output.
Then you can use one of the iPhone camera apps that lets you choose what frame rate it films at just for good measure.
That'd be an interesting thing to test end to end though... maybe a good video idea when I have the time!
Doing the most!
They all seem to have significant latency
Yeah I didn't do a direct latency comparison, but none of them will be as good as a directly connected cable. NDI and the AppleTV Airplay aren't too bad tho depending on what you're doing
@@aaronpk did you re-sync the audio when showing the phone feeds? your lips didn't seem terribly out of sync. But when you showed your over-the-shoulder shot, your movements were very clearly behind
@@robdavy4468 Yes, otherwise it looks very distracting 😅
It would be a whole separate video topic to talk about all the various considerations for handling differently synced video and audio feeds!
Oh also worth noting that if I had been using the phone's microphone (or a wireless mic running into the phone) then the audio would be in sync with the phone's video, but only out of sync compared to other cameras. See this is why it's a whole separate video topic
@@aaronpk ah, so in a "real" situation, the lip sync would be very obvious?
@@robdavy4468 well only if you're trying to match video from a wireless camera with audio that's hardwired. That goes for the wireless HDMI transmitters too. Generally I tell people to use wireless cameras when the audio sync doesn't matter, like if you're using an iPhone for a top down view where you can't see the person talking in the shot.
Thanks!
So, this is it possible to have like 3 cellphones sending an NDI stream to three different NDI receivers?
Yep you could do that! Your network will need to be fast enough to support 3 NDI streams
And 3 iphones wired, connected in the atem mini? I tried with an original adapter to each one (each one in a port) and failed.
Do you attach the Miracast directly to Atem or to a PC/Mac then connect that to Atem?
The Miracast device has an HDMI out that goes directly into the ATEM
And how about android mobile phones such Samsung galaxy S23?
A lot of the same ideas will work with Android phones, but you'll need to find a different clean feed camera app.
@@aaronpk Many thanks for your answer but please advice me more in this area? I am not good in this area at all and will really appriciate your help in this question. So my quesions:
1. Do I need some extrnal hardware for using an (or several) android mobile(s) as (one of) input cameras into the Atem mini?
For.ex. can a chorme cast or a Mirascreen or something other be used in this area? Or I just need some USB C HDMI adapter for connecting USB C to the mobile and HDMI to the Atem Mini?
2. Do I need some software/app for using an (or several) android mobile(s) as (one of) input cameras into the Atem mini? In this case which app?
Does the Black magic's software itself, offer some possibility/function for this need?
Many thanks in advance!