I love this kind research. It's good have some supporting evidence, but the Book of Mormon itself, is it's own best evidence. Spiritual conviction is the key.
Thanks for your comment. We agree that while these evidences are cool and can help support ones testimony, the Book of Mormon is all the evidence needed for a testimony of the book.
Per Kish: the commentary could have also noted that according to Sumerian and Akkadian myth Kish was the first city state to re-establish kingship post the great flood. It therefore was at the foundation of sovereignty claims.
I always thought that, with Moroni wanting to save space on his limited number of plates, writing "brother of Jared" was just significantly shorter than Mahonrimoriancumr. It's cool to think that maybe there was more to it than that.
Agreed! Many cultures have a single character or symbol denoting family relations. Moroni told us that he had no space left (and no gold to make additional sheets). I believe Occam's Razor should be applied here.
My brother speaks and writes in Arabic. There is a character, he says, like a comma, that you put at the end of a name to indicate "the brother of...". It would be something like "Jared," Given the difficulty of engraving on the plates (Jacob 4:1-3), it would make sense to avoid having to write out something like Mahonrimoriancumr over and over. This could be in addition to the above video reasons.
Captain Moroni is named after Moron from Ether. The trailing "i" in Hebrew is a negation of the original name. Moron was a failed general who let secret combinations beat him. Another example of this is in Genesis 17:15 "And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be."
Wow interesting... what do you mean by the "The trailing "i" in Hebrew is a negation of the original name?" Are you proposing he was named in subversion to Moron? Moron being a corrupt general that loved violence, secret combinations, and evil and Moroni being a righteous general who loved peace, truth, and goodness?
I don't believe in coincidences. The Lord has gone to extreme measures to reach out to His children, making back-up plans upon back-up plans, anticipating free agency. All these things strengthen my testimony of the Book of Mormon.
The allegory of the olive trees is a great faith affirming section in Jacob chapter 5 because of the fact that the Lord of the vineyard made plans upon plans all over his vineyard not just with one tree or one area. He was cultivating all of the people on earth with some of them being righteous (good fruit) and some falling for sin (bitter fruit).
I am a huge Heartlander who believes the BofM events began in North America and not South or Central America. This video was well done as it describes the language similarities of the Old and New Worlds. I however believe those similarities happened beginning in North America. I believe the Jaredites had the Priesthood through Shem and they landed in North America. I also believe the Lehites likely landed in the pan handle of Florida. I enjoyed the video.
I fully agree. As a convert, I love learning about the origins and history that was concealed from me before I was introduced to the Restored Gospel and BoM. As I have studied over the last 40+ years, I too am personally convinced that this is the Promised Land and that America is the Homeland of the Lehihites.
Fortunately, the heart landers will fade away as the mounting evidence for Central Ameria is overwhelming. I had a friend who bought a book by the heart landers, and after a year of discussion on the topic, he realized the North American model simply didn't work.
@rayausban In fact, there is no credible evidence that Central America was the land of the Nephites and Jaredites. Anyone who understands the history of Joseph Smith knows that the BoM lands is in North America. Specifically, the New England and Mississippi Valley areas. There's actually no question historically speaking about this fact. Joseph Smith often pointed out certain landmarks he was standing on or around as Nephite locations. Joseph Smith never visited Central America. So, do you believe Joseph Smith, or do you not?
Good work! I always thought the name of the brother of Jared, that Joseph later told us was Mahonri Moriancumer, was left out because it was long and almost a tongue twister.
I have heard that it was a means of showing respect for their spiritual leader, to not use his name directly, so they called him by another title, the brother of Jared.
The Brother of Jared’s name is actually mentioned in the BoM. Ether 2:13. They called the land they dwelt Moriancumer. Joseph Smith revealed the name of the Brother of Jared was Mahonri Moriancumer. Thoughts?
I wonder if part of his lack of name is meant to be similar to the many nameless women in the scriptures. Many people like to say that the women weren’t seen as important because there’s not many and the few that are there are unnamed. But would you say that the brother of Jared wasn’t important? Not a chance. Yet he was unnamed. There are so many people who have done incredibly important things that went unnamed in history. I’d say this is a significant reminder of that.
@@entelechy00 No, they looked Egyptian, but different, I seen a video here on youtube. I do think there was trade over the Pacific, but that another issue
So cool how these names and many words even in our language back up the truth of the Book of Mormon and God's existence and plan in general. I loved looking up the meaning of the Brother of Jared's name when I studied Ether too. Joseph smith revealed it was Mahonri Moriancumr and online I found when you break it down it 'Mahonri' means "Who [provides or leads to] light [on the] water." and 'Moriancumr' means "Someone who performs wonders in order to lift, raise up, or save" - To me its just further evidence because Joseph Smith could never have known the Egyptian terms to perfectly describe the experience of the Brother of Jared, without the Lords help.
Quanto estudo, gosto demais da parte do livro do jareditas.Estava lendo Alma 37:25 (Trarei das trevas à luz todas as suas obras secretas e abominações; e, a menos que se arrependam, varrê-los-ei da face da Terra; e trarei à luz todos os seus segredos e abominações, mostrando-os a todas as nações que possuírem a terra de agora em diante.) O livro de Mórmon traz luz e conhecimento para conhecer os mistérios de Deus. Não necessitamos andar nas trevas, o Senhor fala que haverá destruição no mundo para aqueles que escolherem andar nas trevas. Muito obrigado pelo seu testemunho ❤
Maroni does give us a portion of the name of the brother of Jared, we just skip over it not realizing what we just read… “…and they called the name of the place Moriancumer; and they dwelt in tents, and dwelt in tents upon the seashore for the space of four years….” Ether 2:13
I have just now discovered your channel. Good job! You are doing an important work. Please forgive one comment not intended as a criticism but as a suggestion which might help you make your production even better. The eye movement of the host is a little distracting. It draws to the fact that she is reading from a promoter. I suggest that she practice reading without letting her gaze drift to the right or left. Brackets are sometimes used to help with this practice. These marks drawn on the prompter screen will not be seen by the camera. This is a sincere effort to raise your excellent work to an even higher level. No offense is intended.
I was taught the brother of Jared’s name was MahonriMoriancumr. I was taught in primary 45 years ago that It was revealed to Joseph but he didn’t use it in the BoM due to its length and difficulty to say.
While no evidence, internal or external, can take the place of a spiritual witness because a spiritual witness is from God and motivates the receiver to righteousness -- temporal evidence can give intellectual support to spiritual conviction. It is not one piece or set of pieces but the accumulating mass of evidence that gives support to the Book of Mormon. At some time in the future, the Book of Mormon will be proven true temporally as well as spiritually, but that time has not come because the Book of Mormon, as President Benson said, acts like a sieve, separating those who believe in the spiritual witness from those who will not receive it.
We know half of his name, the brother of jared. It was history to name their cities and towns after him who first obtained that land. Thas is why they called the land Moriancumer. Interesting take here. Thanks for that.
Good information. Can I say one comment about the camera work in some of the videos? It drives me crazy when there is suddenly a side view of your commentator but she is looking at the other camera, and not at us as viewers. Then suddenly she’s looking at us again. It’s distracting. There isn’t another audience viewing her from that angle, so why do it? That is all.
Thank you for the feedback! We are testing out some different things with this series and comments like yours help us know what our audience does and doesn't like. Thank you!
They also have names like Heth who was the second son of Canaan who is the son of Ham son of Noah. I wonder if they were Canaanites meaning Black. But Moroni only gives a part of their account.
I don’t understand how the Jaredites language shares words with other ancient languages if their languages were confounded so they could not understand each other. Though it is difficult to understand how that happened, did everyone just wake up one speaking different languages?? I thought that meant the Jaredites kept the “original” language, maybe the pure adamic language. Are you suggesting they still shared a common language?
I'm confused about Comron. My scriptures say "Comnor" and even the pronunciation guide says "Comnor" which shows in the manuscript as well, and you say that that's an error. Where are we getting "Comron" from, and why does it still say "Comnor" in the Book of Ether?
Check out the Analysis of Textual Variants of the Book of Mormon by Royal Skousen. He's reviewed every word in every edition of the BoM, including the manuscripts. Here's his commentary on Ether 14:28: The printer's manuscript clearly reads Comron both times in Ether 14:28. The 1830 compositor, however, set the name as Comnor, which as been retained throughout the textual history. We have already noted that in both manuscripts Oliver Cowdery frequently wrote his n's as r's and vice versa (see, for instance, the discussion under Mosiah 2:15-16). Thus it is possible that the name here in Ether 14:28 could have theoretically been one of four possibilities: Comron, Comnor, Comnon, and Comror. There is only one instance where Oliver mixed up mr and mn, namely, in the fifth occurrence of the Zerahemnah in the original manuscript (in Alma 43:53). There he initially spelled the name as Zerahemrah, but then he immediately overwrote the r with an n (see line 14 on page 311' of the original manuscript). For all other (extant) occurrences of Zerahemnah, in both manuscripts, this name was correctly spelled the first time. Thus there is not much evidence that the spelling in the printer's manuscript could be an error for Comnon, Comror, or Comnor. Comparing the spellings Comron and Comnor with other Nephite names and words in the Book of Mormon, we find examples ending in either -ron or -nor; in the following list, the names and words that have an internal mr or mn sequence are set in bold: Amaron, Ammaron, Ammoron, Amoron, 𝐄𝐦𝐫𝐨𝐧, Moron, Parhoron, Siron, 𝐀𝐦𝐧𝐨𝐫, 𝐚𝐦𝐧𝐨𝐫, 𝐊𝐢𝐦𝐧𝐨𝐫 Thus there are three examples of -mnor and one of -mron. There is also one name ending in -mnon, namely, Shemnon, but none ending in -mror. Moreover, none of these examples show any textual variation with respect to the n and the r. All of the argues here in Ether 14:28 that the earlier Comron is definitely possible (it matches Emron) and should therefor be adopted in the critical text. Summary: In accord with the reading in the printer's manuscripte, restore the spelling Comron for the name of the hill in Ether 14:28.
As to why the Church hasn't made this correction, I'm not really sure. There are many changes from the earliest text that have been made, many of them deliberate, some not, that the Church has decided not to correct. In this particular case, I suspect that it's such a small error and irrelevant to any doctrinal issues and so not worth correction.
One problem. Thousands of years before Cain and Abel, thousands of brown-skinned peoples lived throughout the Americas. One such place is Titusville, Florida. Over one hundred full skeletons, dating to 9,000 years ago have been recovered and studied. Many other examples.
@@stewartfulcher6467 If you have studied either one, you will see that it isn't possible That Joseph Smith got anything from it or that he had possession of it at all.
These people chose to use Nibley's Egyptian use of the DSRT. Had they used the Sumerian breakdown of the word Deseret, it translates "to carry stinging insect". The Sumerians didn't have words of different stinging insects and didn't distinguish a wasp from a bee. Moroni did it for us to know which stinging insect was meant, the honeybee.
@@rayausban Yeah, I know that much. Just wondering why that date's still being used. Archbishop Ussher's postulated biblical chronology has been shown to be incorrect. The Latter-day Saint Bible Dictionary even says so outright.
@@The_Kingmaker Ussher's chronology is based on the KJV or the Masoretic Bible. Using the KJV, I did my own chronology and came up with 3971 BC as the fall of Adam. The LDS church's official Bible is the KJV probably because that is the version Joseph Smith used.
Great analysis, thank you! Could you help me with something unrelated: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How should I go about transferring them to Binance?
Cool, but please make sure to be more thorough in your research and scripture citing. The verse that references "mighty in writing" clearly states that they were NOT mighty in writing. The verse that references the white and clear stones is Ether 3:1; not Ether 12:24. I didn't check everything else, but it diminishes your credibility when things are incorrect.
Thank you for pointing those things out, we made some clarifying corrections in the description. Sorry about those mistakes we hope to continually improve this series as it continues!
So there were multiple prophets in ancient times, living simultaneously, in different regions of the world, right? Are there multiple prophets in different regions of the world today, not of our faith? ...how would that work, if we are an open canon faith? Alot of space for Satan to slide right in to deceive us!😮. How do we navigate this?
It is only in recent centuries that the proliferation of world travel and knowledge of other cultures around the world has made it possible for people on opposite sides of the world and in far flung places to be on the same page with regards to religious worship. Even in the early Christian church around the eastern Mediterranean, it was a constant challenge to keep everyone on the same page and being subject to the same set of church authorities. Then, by the time the Roman Empire split and then collapsed, there were different church leaders in Rome vs. Constantinople, and then in subsequent centuries there were further splits from those central authorities eventually leading to all the different Christian sects of today. In the ancient world before the middle ages, it would have been virtually impossible for 2 different religious groups, one in the Americas and one in Palestine, to be in sync with each other, so it makes perfect sense to me that prophets in the Old vs New world during those times would be independent of each other, and would each receive revelation pertinent to their society and culture only, and/or to a future society that was to have their words also. In modern days, I know of no other church that has current 'prophets' in the same sense as our faith (except certain earlier spinoffs of our faith, but those in very much in the minority and are outliers). We also don't believe that we have a monopoly on revelation and that other religious believers can have personal revelation from God if they sincerely seek it, which would be pertinent for their own sphere of influence.
I have wondered that as well. I think that there are some.people around the world that have dreams & visions that line up with Christianity, but only one prophet holds the Priesthood keys necessary to lead, guide & direct Christ's restored church. That's Russell M. Nelson. ❤
It's simple really. There were multiple prophets in antiquity, sometimes in the same city. Not everything every prophet said back then was canonized scripture nor today. Today is the "dispensation of the fulness of times" where all things are one. That's why there is only one "head prophet" now.
I'm a little surprised! When I joined the Church 35 years ago, I was taught that the name of the brother of Jared was known by Joseph Smith who revealed it and that it was long, unusual and hard to remember, write, or pronounce, so he was just identified by his relation to someone with an easy to remember name. I just can't imagine any other reason being considered when it was already known. But it is great to hear of the connections of the Jaredite names with the Nephite names. Though I have never heard that the Nephite names with evil connotations by deeds, came from the Mulekites. It is never said how they could know that. But we do know that Coriantumr did find the Mulekites and lived with them for 9 months before dying of his war wounds. Incidentally I believe that he must have mated with some of the Mulekite women to have passed on his genes for size since there were many Jaredites who were considered as giants. After the Mulekites mingled with the Nephites we hear of some of the large and mighty men who were of renown and mostly evil men. One of them was Coriantumr who dissented from the Nephites and fled to the Lamanites to stir them up against the Nephites. He was the one who led the Lamanite armies around through the river valley that constituted the pass that ran from the sea west through the Andes to the interior jungles where they moved unseen to arrive at Zarahemla and took it by surprise. Capt Moroni later built a fort on the mountain top (now known as Machu Picchu) overlooking that river valley so the Nephites could be warned if the Lamanites tried it again.
Not trying to troll here, Akkadian is a Semetic language and Sumerian is not. The Jaredites would have been more closely aligned with Sumerian than Akkadian since Akkadian was spoken around 300 - 100 BC. The Jaredites would have been more like 2000 BC. Any Akkadian derived names in the Book of Mormon would more likely have had ties with the Lehites or Mulekites than with the Jaredites. A stronger correlation in the Book of Ether would have been Sumerian derived names than Akkadian derived names.
I think your 300 BC number is off by a zero. Akkadian is much more ancient than 300 B.C. and was contemporary with Sumerian. Akkadian dates to around 2600 B.C. in its earliest attested form. You are correct though that Sumerian was unrelated and seems to be a language isolate (not related to any other known language). I suspect that the people of Jared spoke possibly Sumerian but with loan words from Egyptian and Akkadian, especially names. It's also possible that their main language was Akkadian, but I think Sumerian is more likely. Jerry Grover has done some excellent research into Jaredite names also and has come up with some plausible Sumerian meanings for many names. His books are available for free download on his bmslr site. Sumerian began to be replaced by Akkadian around 2000 B.C., give or take. There was a famine in Mesopotamia around 2200 B.C. when many cities were abandoned. It's possible that is when Jared and his people left, and might also help explain why they left. It could also fit with the language being 'confounded', since Sumerian was gradually replaced by Akkadian around that same time, along with the scattering of people due to the famine.
The real reason the brother of jareds, name, was never in the Book of Mormon is because as the writer started engraving his name, he realized how many times he would have to engrave his LONG name and said, "screw that! I'll just refer to him as the brother of jared. " 🤣😂🤣 True story 😂
I enjoyed the images and appreciate the research that went into the creation of this video. The Book of Ether is spiritually enlightening. However, I found it difficult to understand the presenter. I have empathy for anyone who is presenting for the first time. I hope you see my comments as constructive criticism offered in an effort for improvement on your future videos and not a destructive criticism of your work.
Claim Ether has (loose) connections to ancient peoples and places ✔️ Completely disregard that the Biblical (and BoM) story of the Tower of Babel was ideological myth ✔️✔️✔️
We believe the Tower of Babel was not a myth but historical fact. Hence our take on it. Of course, if you believe that the story of the Tower of Babel was just a myth, then you will not see the other things in this video as we do. In the end, we will be able to see which things in the scriptures were metaphorical and which really happened. Then we can sit down and learn from each other.
The only Jared I know is descendant begot of Seth, Jared begot Enoch, as in the book of Genesis, (Old testament)HOLY BIBLE INV. The only Jesus Christ Holy, know as the son of GOD, and Mary, fathered by Joseph but not begotten of, him. Book of Matthew and Luke. New testament . GOD BLESS AMEN. SHALOM..👋😇🙏✡️✝️☪️ i🇺🇲 i🇮🇱 i🇸🇦 ❤️🔥🕊🕊🕊
The narrator suggests donating to further the proclamation of the Gospel. I agree. Mormons should concentrate more on the Gospels of the 4 witnesses to Christ's life here on earth and their eyewitness written accounts. Those are the ACTUAL Gospels. Those should be the standards for living and experiencing divine revelation. The New Testament Gospels and the epistles should have the preponderance of study given to 'them', not the Book of Mormon. Put the horse before the cart, the way it is supposed to be, not the other way around. Would I rather place my trust in men who actually walked and lived with Jesus Christ, or someone who had a revelation given to him by an angel almost 2,000 years later? (Have these great heaps of dead bodies ever been found?)
The bones have biodegraded away but the two ancient civilizations have been found after the B of M was published. The Bible is wonderful and is under serious attack. The revelations and Book of Mormon will save the Bible as the word of God from ruin by academia.
There are so many evidences in the Book of Mormon if one has eyes to see. There are so many strangely worded passages, or expressions that nobody even in the 1800s, relying upon their own wisdom would write into a story…like the Brother of Jared…who would write a major character this way - a total departure from the style of the rest of the book? Every knee shall bow. Every tongue shall confess. Doubt not because ye see not. The Book is true and there is real power in it.
It does mean something though, it’s an ancient Sumerian name title for king, the use of it with other letters attached in the Book of Mormon is consistent with records from the ancient Sumerian cultures. I doubt Joseph could’ve known this, maybe he was secretly incredibly educated or very lucky tho
So you think all of this is a lucky coincidence? That Joseph Smith took the name from King Saul's father, implementing it into a culture he invented with close ties to mesopotamia (because they came from babel at the confounding of the languages) and it's just a coincidence that the name Kish happens to have an origin far more ancient than Saul's father from the very land that the Jaredites were said to have come from?
Well the Akkadian language can be considered ancestral to Hebrew, or at least close to ancestral, and the Hebrews, through Abraham, inherited the Akkadian linguistic and cultural background from his homeland which was in that area (Chaldean and Akkadian are equivalent). We don't know why Saul's father was named Kish, but it could easily be an ancestral name passed down through the centuries from its earlier derivation in the area of Sumer, from the Akkadians and/or Sumerians. I believe that the people of Jared and later, Abraham, both inherited the same ancient religious tradition that ultimately derived from Adam and Eve through Noah and other early patriarchs.
@@arttrumbo9496Even if that was the case, for every thing like that you have stuff like Timothy, a greek name, in 3 Nephi. What is a greek name doing in an offshoot hebrew civilization in the American continent that went through 600 years of isolation from the Old World?
Twisting yourself in knots trying to find a connection through names…I guess that’s what you have to do when there isn’t a single evidence in the archeological record.
I thought this video was great. Very informative. I just get distracted by the narraters gravelly voice at the end of her sentences. To me it sounds immature. But I did like the content a lot. Thank you Scripture Central.
That’s because they aren’t trying to give actual evidence. They are just throwing stuff out there because it always people who what to believe to feel like they have some evidence when in actually it’s just empty content that is no evidence at all
I don’t understand how the Jaredites language shares words with other ancient languages if their languages were confounded so they could not understand each other. Though it is difficult to understand how that happened, did everyone just wake up one speaking different languages?? I thought that meant the Jaredites kept the “original” language, maybe the pure adamic language. Are you suggesting they still shared a common language?
I love this kind research. It's good have some supporting evidence, but the Book of Mormon itself, is it's own best evidence. Spiritual conviction is the key.
Thanks for your comment. We agree that while these evidences are cool and can help support ones testimony, the Book of Mormon is all the evidence needed for a testimony of the book.
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Per Kish: the commentary could have also noted that according to Sumerian and Akkadian myth Kish was the first city state to re-establish kingship post the great flood. It therefore was at the foundation of sovereignty claims.
Another fantastic video! Thank you!
Super fascinating insights for the book of Ether. Thanks!
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Wow, this in incredible, thanks for sharing guys
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I like Ether as it shows Gods love for all of his children not just those of the literal decedents of Abraham.
These are descendants of the birthright through Adam, Noah, and Shem (Sem).
Thank you for sharing! It's great to know these things.
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I always thought that, with Moroni wanting to save space on his limited number of plates, writing "brother of Jared" was just significantly shorter than Mahonrimoriancumr. It's cool to think that maybe there was more to it than that.
Yes, you are right, I would like to know the character used to write brother in Egyptian reformated. Maybe just a line -
Agreed! Many cultures have a single character or symbol denoting family relations. Moroni told us that he had no space left (and no gold to make additional sheets). I believe Occam's Razor should be applied here.
It seems (not proven source) that brother had a equivalent of a short character, like SN
My brother speaks and writes in Arabic. There is a character, he says, like a comma, that you put at the end of a name to indicate "the brother of...". It would be something like "Jared," Given the difficulty of engraving on the plates (Jacob 4:1-3), it would make sense to avoid having to write out something like Mahonrimoriancumr over and over. This could be in addition to the above video reasons.
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Captain Moroni is named after Moron from Ether. The trailing "i" in Hebrew is a negation of the original name. Moron was a failed general who let secret combinations beat him.
Another example of this is in Genesis 17:15
"And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be."
Wow interesting... what do you mean by the "The trailing "i" in Hebrew is a negation of the original name?"
Are you proposing he was named in subversion to Moron? Moron being a corrupt general that loved violence, secret combinations, and evil and Moroni being a righteous general who loved peace, truth, and goodness?
Very interesting insights! Thanks for sharing and watching the video!
God added the Hebrew ruach- breath- to both names denoting His Breath, His Word, in their New names.
Excellent video and great presentation.
Thank you kindly!
Inspiring AND helpful. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Interesting! Thank you!
I don't believe in coincidences. The Lord has gone to extreme measures to reach out to His children, making back-up plans upon back-up plans, anticipating free agency. All these things strengthen my testimony of the Book of Mormon.
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The allegory of the olive trees is a great faith affirming section in Jacob chapter 5 because of the fact that the Lord of the vineyard made plans upon plans all over his vineyard not just with one tree or one area. He was cultivating all of the people on earth with some of them being righteous (good fruit) and some falling for sin (bitter fruit).
@@stewartfulcher6467Hippopotamus?? (means water horse, buddy. that's how translation works when cultures encounter unfamiliar new animals)
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I am a huge Heartlander who believes the BofM events began in North America and not South or Central America. This video was well done as it describes the language similarities of the Old and New Worlds. I however believe those similarities happened beginning in North America. I believe the Jaredites had the Priesthood through Shem and they landed in North America. I also believe the Lehites likely landed in the pan handle of Florida. I enjoyed the video.
I fully agree. As a convert, I love learning about the origins and history that was concealed from me before I was introduced to the Restored Gospel and BoM. As I have studied over the last 40+ years, I too am personally convinced that this is the Promised Land and that America is the Homeland of the Lehihites.
Fortunately, the heart landers will fade away as the mounting evidence for Central Ameria is overwhelming. I had a friend who bought a book by the heart landers, and after a year of discussion on the topic, he realized the North American model simply didn't work.
@rayausban In fact, there is no credible evidence that Central America was the land of the Nephites and Jaredites.
Anyone who understands the history of Joseph Smith knows that the BoM lands is in North America. Specifically, the New England and Mississippi Valley areas.
There's actually no question historically speaking about this fact.
Joseph Smith often pointed out certain landmarks he was standing on or around as Nephite locations.
Joseph Smith never visited Central America.
So, do you believe Joseph Smith, or do you not?
Awesome video!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good work! I always thought the name of the brother of Jared, that Joseph later told us was Mahonri Moriancumer, was left out because it was long and almost a tongue twister.
It was hard to write out the name of the brother of Jared on the plates.
Was it also the name of a place/land, named after The Brother of Jared.
I have heard that it was a means of showing respect for their spiritual leader, to not use his name directly, so they called him by another title, the brother of Jared.
It takes three syllables to write “brother of Jared” in Hebrew. It takes a lot lot more to write the name out.
@@heberfrank8664 and perhaps, as they said, distracting from the name of Jesus Christ.
The Brother of Jared’s name is actually mentioned in the BoM. Ether 2:13. They called the land they dwelt Moriancumer. Joseph Smith revealed the name of the Brother of Jared was Mahonri Moriancumer. Thoughts?
I wonder if part of his lack of name is meant to be similar to the many nameless women in the scriptures. Many people like to say that the women weren’t seen as important because there’s not many and the few that are there are unnamed. But would you say that the brother of Jared wasn’t important? Not a chance. Yet he was unnamed. There are so many people who have done incredibly important things that went unnamed in history. I’d say this is a significant reminder of that.
I love the connections ❤
There are Ancient Egyptian writing in some caves in the Grand Canyon, when I first heard that, it tells me the Book of Mormon is being reveal more so
Sources please
@@johnGardy I believe what you are referring to is actually Shang Dynasty Chinese characters.
@@Man-jf6lz It's on youtube, & the US Govt tries to hide it
There are lots of things being leaked out our the past, that we are not told about
@@entelechy00 No, they looked Egyptian, but different, I seen a video here on youtube. I do think there was trade over the Pacific, but that another issue
Hilarious........ spreading more FAKE NEWS
So cool how these names and many words even in our language back up the truth of the Book of Mormon and God's existence and plan in general. I loved looking up the meaning of the Brother of Jared's name when I studied Ether too. Joseph smith revealed it was Mahonri Moriancumr and online I found when you break it down it 'Mahonri' means "Who [provides or leads to] light [on the] water." and 'Moriancumr' means "Someone who performs wonders in order to lift, raise up, or save" - To me its just further evidence because Joseph Smith could never have known the Egyptian terms to perfectly describe the experience of the Brother of Jared, without the Lords help.
Quanto estudo, gosto demais da parte do livro do jareditas.Estava lendo Alma 37:25 (Trarei das trevas à luz todas as suas obras secretas e abominações; e, a menos que se arrependam, varrê-los-ei da face da Terra; e trarei à luz todos os seus segredos e abominações, mostrando-os a todas as nações que possuírem a terra de agora em diante.)
O livro de Mórmon traz luz e conhecimento para conhecer os mistérios de Deus. Não necessitamos andar nas trevas, o Senhor fala que haverá destruição no mundo para aqueles que escolherem andar nas trevas.
Muito obrigado pelo seu testemunho ❤
Fascinating!
Tell me you've read Hugh Nibley's books without telling me you've read Hugh Nibley's books.....
Maroni does give us a portion of the name of the brother of Jared, we just skip over it not realizing what we just read…
“…and they called the name of the place Moriancumer; and they dwelt in tents, and dwelt in tents upon the seashore for the space of four years….”
Ether 2:13
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The eye movement of the host is a little distracting. It draws to the fact that she is reading from a promoter. I suggest that she practice reading without letting her gaze drift to the right or left. Brackets are sometimes used to help with this practice. These marks drawn on the prompter screen will not be seen by the camera. This is a sincere effort to raise your excellent work to an even higher level. No offense is intended.
Thanks for that feedback! We are getting use to using some different teleprompters so we plan to avoid this in the future!
I was taught the brother of Jared’s name was MahonriMoriancumr. I was taught in primary 45 years ago that It was revealed to Joseph but he didn’t use it in the BoM due to its length and difficulty to say.
Thank you.
While no evidence, internal or external, can take the place of a spiritual witness because a spiritual witness is from God and motivates the receiver to righteousness -- temporal evidence can give intellectual support to spiritual conviction. It is not one piece or set of pieces but the accumulating mass of evidence that gives support to the Book of Mormon. At some time in the future, the Book of Mormon will be proven true temporally as well as spiritually, but that time has not come because the Book of Mormon, as President Benson said, acts like a sieve, separating those who believe in the spiritual witness from those who will not receive it.
Very good point! Thanks for watching.
We know half of his name, the brother of jared. It was history to name their cities and towns after him who first obtained that land. Thas is why they called the land Moriancumer. Interesting take here. Thanks for that.
Can someone explain the death of Shiz in Ether 15:31? Aside from this scripture, I've never read of a headless body raising up and trying to breath.
Joseph Smith must've been pretty darn smart to make all that up!
Not without the help of the Masonic Lodge.
You know there was no tower right? It is a myth, anything derived from that is fiction
@@markgalea5930 Ya! You’ve got something there! The B of M came directly from that lodge! Who would have thought?
@@markgalea5930 He wasn't a Mason when he translated the record
Not really as he plagiarised most of it.
At video time 11:43 the quoted scriptures are actually Ether 3:1 and Revelations 2:17. Thanks for the video, it was really insightful 👍
Thanks for pointing that out! We made some correction notes in the description!
Where in the Bible says that the U.S. is the new Jerusalem ?
Good information. Can I say one comment about the camera work in some of the videos? It drives me crazy when there is suddenly a side view of your commentator but she is looking at the other camera, and not at us as viewers. Then suddenly she’s looking at us again. It’s distracting. There isn’t another audience viewing her from that angle, so why do it? That is all.
Thank you for the feedback! We are testing out some different things with this series and comments like yours help us know what our audience does and doesn't like. Thank you!
@@scripturecentralofficialI thought it was just me, so I’m glad to know this bugs others. Thanks for the response.
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They also have names like Heth who was the second son of Canaan who is the son of Ham son of Noah. I wonder if they were Canaanites meaning Black. But Moroni only gives a part of their account.
I don’t understand how the Jaredites language shares words with other ancient languages if their languages were confounded so they could not understand each other. Though it is difficult to understand how that happened, did everyone just wake up one speaking different languages?? I thought that meant the Jaredites kept the “original” language, maybe the pure adamic language. Are you suggesting they still shared a common language?
John the apostle declined to use his own name in most of his record. I think the brother of Jared did so for a similar reason.
I think the phrase “ brother of Jared” was his title, and ought to have been capitalized.
I'm confused about Comron. My scriptures say "Comnor" and even the pronunciation guide says "Comnor" which shows in the manuscript as well, and you say that that's an error. Where are we getting "Comron" from, and why does it still say "Comnor" in the Book of Ether?
Check out the Analysis of Textual Variants of the Book of Mormon by Royal Skousen. He's reviewed every word in every edition of the BoM, including the manuscripts. Here's his commentary on Ether 14:28:
The printer's manuscript clearly reads Comron both times in Ether 14:28. The 1830 compositor, however, set the name as Comnor, which as been retained throughout the textual history.
We have already noted that in both manuscripts Oliver Cowdery frequently wrote his n's as r's and vice versa (see, for instance, the discussion under Mosiah 2:15-16). Thus it is possible that the name here in Ether 14:28 could have theoretically been one of four possibilities: Comron, Comnor, Comnon, and Comror. There is only one instance where Oliver mixed up mr and mn, namely, in the fifth occurrence of the Zerahemnah in the original manuscript (in Alma 43:53). There he initially spelled the name as Zerahemrah, but then he immediately overwrote the r with an n (see line 14 on page 311' of the original manuscript). For all other (extant) occurrences of Zerahemnah, in both manuscripts, this name was correctly spelled the first time. Thus there is not much evidence that the spelling in the printer's manuscript could be an error for Comnon, Comror, or Comnor.
Comparing the spellings Comron and Comnor with other Nephite names and words in the Book of Mormon, we find examples ending in either -ron or -nor; in the following list, the names and words that have an internal mr or mn sequence are set in bold:
Amaron, Ammaron, Ammoron, Amoron, 𝐄𝐦𝐫𝐨𝐧, Moron, Parhoron, Siron, 𝐀𝐦𝐧𝐨𝐫, 𝐚𝐦𝐧𝐨𝐫, 𝐊𝐢𝐦𝐧𝐨𝐫
Thus there are three examples of -mnor and one of -mron. There is also one name ending in -mnon, namely, Shemnon, but none ending in -mror. Moreover, none of these examples show any textual variation with respect to the n and the r. All of the argues here in Ether 14:28 that the earlier Comron is definitely possible (it matches Emron) and should therefor be adopted in the critical text.
Summary: In accord with the reading in the printer's manuscripte, restore the spelling Comron for the name of the hill in Ether 14:28.
As to why the Church hasn't made this correction, I'm not really sure. There are many changes from the earliest text that have been made, many of them deliberate, some not, that the Church has decided not to correct. In this particular case, I suspect that it's such a small error and irrelevant to any doctrinal issues and so not worth correction.
Kishcumen⭐
Good point! I'm just guessing here, but if Kish means king, then maybe Kishcumen means "King killer"... It would make some sense given his actions.
Really interesting ⭐
Sound quality... sounds like it's in a can for some reason?
We do know the brother of Jared's name...
One problem. Thousands of years before Cain and Abel, thousands of brown-skinned peoples lived throughout the Americas. One such place is Titusville, Florida. Over one hundred full skeletons, dating to 9,000 years ago have been recovered and studied. Many other examples.
How can you tell the color of the skin from the skeletons?
@@TheRozylass skull structure and proportion can lend evidence to race and even gender. Also, possible preserved DNA
Why do you trust that date? No one saw it, there's no way to test it, so they're just speculating.
@@Roylamxthat’s a cop out
This world was organized. That can have different implications. This much I know from the whisperings of the Spirit though, the scriptures are true!❤
Wow what is in the sealed portion of the plates???!!!
And what do we have to do to get them?
@@Roylamxwe are still under condemnation for our mistreatment of The Book of Mormon.
A book called 'A view of the Hebrews' written by Ethan Smith years before JS came out with the BoM.
@@stewartfulcher6467 If you have studied either one, you will see that it isn't possible That Joseph Smith got anything from it or that he had possession of it at all.
Honeybees and horses
Kish is very interesting but, I did not get the point of how honey bee connects to a hat or crown. Did not sound striking for me.
These people chose to use Nibley's Egyptian use of the DSRT. Had they used the Sumerian breakdown of the word Deseret, it translates "to carry stinging insect". The Sumerians didn't have words of different stinging insects and didn't distinguish a wasp from a bee. Moroni did it for us to know which stinging insect was meant, the honeybee.
2200 BC seems awfully late for the Tower of Babel. Why do I keep seeing this date repeated over and over?
It's an estimate based on chronology in the KJV of the Bible. The Septuagint Bible has the tower in about 2850 BC.
@@rayausban Yeah, I know that much. Just wondering why that date's still being used. Archbishop Ussher's postulated biblical chronology has been shown to be incorrect. The Latter-day Saint Bible Dictionary even says so outright.
@@The_Kingmaker Ussher's chronology is based on the KJV or the Masoretic Bible. Using the KJV, I did my own chronology and came up with 3971 BC as the fall of Adam. The LDS church's official Bible is the KJV probably because that is the version Joseph Smith used.
@@rayausban As far as I know, Joseph Smith never did a Bible chronology. The Book of Mormon has some internal dates but not for the Jaredites.
Great analysis, thank you! Could you help me with something unrelated: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How should I go about transferring them to Binance?
Cool, but please make sure to be more thorough in your research and scripture citing. The verse that references "mighty in writing" clearly states that they were NOT mighty in writing. The verse that references the white and clear stones is Ether 3:1; not Ether 12:24. I didn't check everything else, but it diminishes your credibility when things are incorrect.
Thank you for pointing those things out, we made some clarifying corrections in the description. Sorry about those mistakes we hope to continually improve this series as it continues!
So there were multiple prophets in ancient times, living simultaneously, in different regions of the world, right? Are there multiple prophets in different regions of the world today, not of our faith? ...how would that work, if we are an open canon faith? Alot of space for Satan to slide right in to deceive us!😮. How do we navigate this?
It is only in recent centuries that the proliferation of world travel and knowledge of other cultures around the world has made it possible for people on opposite sides of the world and in far flung places to be on the same page with regards to religious worship. Even in the early Christian church around the eastern Mediterranean, it was a constant challenge to keep everyone on the same page and being subject to the same set of church authorities. Then, by the time the Roman Empire split and then collapsed, there were different church leaders in Rome vs. Constantinople, and then in subsequent centuries there were further splits from those central authorities eventually leading to all the different Christian sects of today.
In the ancient world before the middle ages, it would have been virtually impossible for 2 different religious groups, one in the Americas and one in Palestine, to be in sync with each other, so it makes perfect sense to me that prophets in the Old vs New world during those times would be independent of each other, and would each receive revelation pertinent to their society and culture only, and/or to a future society that was to have their words also.
In modern days, I know of no other church that has current 'prophets' in the same sense as our faith (except certain earlier spinoffs of our faith, but those in very much in the minority and are outliers). We also don't believe that we have a monopoly on revelation and that other religious believers can have personal revelation from God if they sincerely seek it, which would be pertinent for their own sphere of influence.
I have wondered that as well. I think that there are some.people around the world that have dreams & visions that line up with Christianity, but only one prophet holds the Priesthood keys necessary to lead, guide & direct Christ's restored church. That's Russell M. Nelson. ❤
It's simple really. There were multiple prophets in antiquity, sometimes in the same city. Not everything every prophet said back then was canonized scripture nor today. Today is the "dispensation of the fulness of times" where all things are one. That's why there is only one "head prophet" now.
I'm a little surprised! When I joined the Church 35 years ago, I was taught that the name of the brother of Jared was known by Joseph Smith who revealed it and that it was long, unusual and hard to remember, write, or pronounce, so he was just identified by his relation to someone with an easy to remember name. I just can't imagine any other reason being considered when it was already known. But it is great to hear of the connections of the Jaredite names with the Nephite names. Though I have never heard that the Nephite names with evil connotations by deeds, came from the Mulekites. It is never said how they could know that. But we do know that Coriantumr did find the Mulekites and lived with them for 9 months before dying of his war wounds. Incidentally I believe that he must have mated with some of the Mulekite women to have passed on his genes for size since there were many Jaredites who were considered as giants. After the Mulekites mingled with the Nephites we hear of some of the large and mighty men who were of renown and mostly evil men. One of them was Coriantumr who dissented from the Nephites and fled to the Lamanites to stir them up against the Nephites. He was the one who led the Lamanite armies around through the river valley that constituted the pass that ran from the sea west through the Andes to the interior jungles where they moved unseen to arrive at Zarahemla and took it by surprise. Capt Moroni later built a fort on the mountain top (now known as Machu Picchu) overlooking that river valley so the Nephites could be warned if the Lamanites tried it again.
Not trying to troll here, Akkadian is a Semetic language and Sumerian is not. The Jaredites would have been more closely aligned with Sumerian than Akkadian since Akkadian was spoken around 300 - 100 BC. The Jaredites would have been more like 2000 BC. Any Akkadian derived names in the Book of Mormon would more likely have had ties with the Lehites or Mulekites than with the Jaredites. A stronger correlation in the Book of Ether would have been Sumerian derived names than Akkadian derived names.
I think your 300 BC number is off by a zero. Akkadian is much more ancient than 300 B.C. and was contemporary with Sumerian. Akkadian dates to around 2600 B.C. in its earliest attested form. You are correct though that Sumerian was unrelated and seems to be a language isolate (not related to any other known language). I suspect that the people of Jared spoke possibly Sumerian but with loan words from Egyptian and Akkadian, especially names. It's also possible that their main language was Akkadian, but I think Sumerian is more likely.
Jerry Grover has done some excellent research into Jaredite names also and has come up with some plausible Sumerian meanings for many names. His books are available for free download on his bmslr site. Sumerian began to be replaced by Akkadian around 2000 B.C., give or take. There was a famine in Mesopotamia around 2200 B.C. when many cities were abandoned. It's possible that is when Jared and his people left, and might also help explain why they left. It could also fit with the language being 'confounded', since Sumerian was gradually replaced by Akkadian around that same time, along with the scattering of people due to the famine.
@@philandrews2860 oops, you are correct. As I was.
The real reason the brother of jareds, name, was never in the Book of Mormon is because as the writer started engraving his name, he realized how many times he would have to engrave his LONG name and said, "screw that! I'll just refer to him as the brother of jared. " 🤣😂🤣
True story 😂
I enjoyed the images and appreciate the research that went into the creation of this video. The Book of Ether is spiritually enlightening. However, I found it difficult to understand the presenter. I have empathy for anyone who is presenting for the first time. I hope you see my comments as constructive criticism offered in an effort for improvement on your future videos and not a destructive criticism of your work.
Claim Ether has (loose) connections to ancient peoples and places ✔️
Completely disregard that the Biblical (and BoM) story of the Tower of Babel was ideological myth ✔️✔️✔️
We believe the Tower of Babel was not a myth but historical fact. Hence our take on it. Of course, if you believe that the story of the Tower of Babel was just a myth, then you will not see the other things in this video as we do. In the end, we will be able to see which things in the scriptures were metaphorical and which really happened. Then we can sit down and learn from each other.
How could Joseph Smith come up with the name kish? The video literally tells you its in the Bible.
How could the name Kish show up on a Mayan stela? The book of Mormon tells us.
Either show us the original golden tablets or don't claim to be authenticated.
The only Jared I know is descendant begot of Seth, Jared begot Enoch, as in the book of Genesis, (Old testament)HOLY BIBLE INV. The only Jesus Christ Holy, know as the son of GOD, and Mary, fathered by Joseph but not begotten of, him. Book of Matthew and Luke. New testament . GOD BLESS AMEN. SHALOM..👋😇🙏✡️✝️☪️ i🇺🇲 i🇮🇱 i🇸🇦 ❤️🔥🕊🕊🕊
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT JARED OF THE JAREDITES ACCOMPLISHED THESE BECAUSE JARED (GENISIS 5:19-20 LIVED 962 YEARS AND WAS A NEPHILIUM, IN THOSE TIMES.
The narrator suggests donating to further the proclamation of the Gospel. I agree. Mormons should concentrate more on the Gospels of the 4 witnesses to Christ's life here on earth and their eyewitness written accounts. Those are the ACTUAL Gospels. Those should be the standards for living and experiencing divine revelation. The New Testament Gospels and the epistles should have the preponderance of study given to 'them', not the Book of Mormon. Put the horse before the cart, the way it is supposed to be, not the other way around. Would I rather place my trust in men who actually walked and lived with Jesus Christ, or someone who had a revelation given to him by an angel almost 2,000 years later? (Have these great heaps of dead bodies ever been found?)
The bones have biodegraded away but the two ancient civilizations have been found after the B of M was published. The Bible is wonderful and is under serious attack. The revelations and Book of Mormon will save the Bible as the word of God from ruin by academia.
There are so many evidences in the Book of Mormon if one has eyes to see. There are so many strangely worded passages, or expressions that nobody even in the 1800s, relying upon their own wisdom would write into a story…like the Brother of Jared…who would write a major character this way - a total departure from the style of the rest of the book? Every knee shall bow. Every tongue shall confess. Doubt not because ye see not. The Book is true and there is real power in it.
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You are all of you deceived.
Non-LDS christian here. I'd argue Kish does not means anything because, as said in the video, it appears in the Old Testament as King Saul's father
It does mean something though, it’s an ancient Sumerian name title for king, the use of it with other letters attached in the Book of Mormon is consistent with records from the ancient Sumerian cultures. I doubt Joseph could’ve known this, maybe he was secretly incredibly educated or very lucky tho
So you think all of this is a lucky coincidence? That Joseph Smith took the name from King Saul's father, implementing it into a culture he invented with close ties to mesopotamia (because they came from babel at the confounding of the languages) and it's just a coincidence that the name Kish happens to have an origin far more ancient than Saul's father from the very land that the Jaredites were said to have come from?
Well the Akkadian language can be considered ancestral to Hebrew, or at least close to ancestral, and the Hebrews, through Abraham, inherited the Akkadian linguistic and cultural background from his homeland which was in that area (Chaldean and Akkadian are equivalent). We don't know why Saul's father was named Kish, but it could easily be an ancestral name passed down through the centuries from its earlier derivation in the area of Sumer, from the Akkadians and/or Sumerians.
I believe that the people of Jared and later, Abraham, both inherited the same ancient religious tradition that ultimately derived from Adam and Eve through Noah and other early patriarchs.
Almost all biblical names have meanings. Similar to names today like Lily, or Grace, or Charity.
@@arttrumbo9496Even if that was the case, for every thing like that you have stuff like Timothy, a greek name, in 3 Nephi. What is a greek name doing in an offshoot hebrew civilization in the American continent that went through 600 years of isolation from the Old World?
Twisting yourself in knots trying to find a connection through names…I guess that’s what you have to do when there isn’t a single evidence in the archeological record.
Disregarding evidence so you can pretend to not know the work is true is foolish.
There was just a big long video of in-depth evidence. I don’t know why critics pretend that evidence is proof.
😂😂
@@Roylamx phony evidence
@@RoylamxWhat are you in fifth grade?? I'm rubber, your glue whatever you say, bounces off me and sticks to you...
Pseudoscience does not make the world a better place
I thought this video was great. Very informative. I just get distracted by the narraters gravelly voice at the end of her sentences. To me it sounds immature. But I did like the content a lot. Thank you Scripture Central.
This video didn’t clear up anything…
Try some Clearasil 😆
That’s because they aren’t trying to give actual evidence. They are just throwing stuff out there because it always people who what to believe to feel like they have some evidence when in actually it’s just empty content that is no evidence at all
@@godsoffspring4195 haha yes!!!
I don’t understand how the Jaredites language shares words with other ancient languages if their languages were confounded so they could not understand each other. Though it is difficult to understand how that happened, did everyone just wake up one speaking different languages?? I thought that meant the Jaredites kept the “original” language, maybe the pure adamic language. Are you suggesting they still shared a common language?
They don't share words as much as they share some similarities and some root words coming from the Sumerian.