Yup, my thoughts exactly. But if the thief has no plans to use violence, you lose $450-$500, not $50k-$1M+ and have to deal with insurance if you have it Otherwise you're getting wetted up over $500 lol
You'd get robbed, then when they realise it ain't what they thought you'd get stabbed. Then when they realised it's a Seiko they'd come back and stab you again if there's any justice in the world.
Zero chance. Luxury watch thives are organised they know exactly what they look for they're not gonna lose time on 500 seiko. You're absolutly saying bs.
Modding and homages are part of the gateway to watch collecting and even horology! Let's be real, those who can "start" a collection with an AP or ALS are not real enthusiats (imho). It's like saying "i got into art when my father gave me my first Monet at 16yo" It would be difficult to be sees as anything other than a snob. I believe that most of us who collect watches and are really into the hobby, have gone through phases and learned continuously how to carefully curate our collection. Modding is the easiest "hands-on" way to learn how to put together a time piece and these homages/replicas actually help us learn and differentiate (even appreciate) the details and craftsmanship of the real grails. I agree that most of us mere mortals will never be able to afford a real oak, and sometimes wearing a FAKE would clash with our actual economical posibilities. What I mean is, timepieces are conversation starters or make people notice you. If my networth is under $500k, it would seem ridicoulus, irresponsible, childish to be wearing an actual $100k watch... So a fake comes down to 2 possibilities: 1) you actually trick people into thinking it is real and look dumb or 2) people will realize it is fake and wonder what other things you are faking. SOLUTION? SEIKOAK! What is says is: I know about the royal oak, I know what it represents and this is a personalized take within a sensible budget. I didn't struggle to get it, nor did I make any sacrifices. I just researched and liked this one.
I bought the parts to assemble a similar watch with the only differences are that I used a black dial and a black day ring. It cost me 96€ (cost of the parts) and I assembled it with my tools. This isn't an homage watch neither a "real Seiko". It's called a Seiko Mod and it's made with the same movement as a Seiko (4R35 for Seiko) -> HN35 for the build (same as 4R35). It's made made by people that Mod watches and this one is based on a AP Royal Oak. It's not sold neither as a original Seiko neither as a homage or a rep of the AP. There can be mods for almost all watches that exists, depends just on what you like and what parts are available in the market. For 500$ you where just straight up robbed. This is just informative. By any means, the video is good, keep up the good work my friend.
Personally I feel like the content of channels like this reflects the downturn in the luxury watch market (specifically the secondary market). The channels want to keep growing but are running out of topics so we see even more videos like “great alternatives to Rolex”
I have way more respect for Seiko than to go buy one of these. Seiko is no Audemars Piguet, but lets make one thing clear they are a very respectable watch brand with Exceptional watches and history with amazing engineering and quality. To use their name on a fake AP looking watch is just wrong imo... I personally prefer some of Seiko model's designs over any other watch maker company. APs are very beautiful watches but they are priced out of our league therfore I simply will not get to enjoy one why is that such hard thing to accept for some? I do however enjoy every moment with my beautiful seikos which I can afford atm..
I can understand but the value of nice watch is around 2-3k basically so anything below 1k is a beater. And I speak as a youtube POV in general, not my opininion.
I like Seiko mods and building watches with Seiko movements. I've modified a lot of Seikos, and I've built watches with Seiko movements and everything else aftermarket. It's a fun hobby and they make great gifts for friends. What I never do is actually put a Seiko marked dial on a watch I built from parts. There's a difference between an homage and a fake. Fake Seikos are still fake. If a person doesn't feel right wearing a fake Rolex, they should feel the same way about wearing a fake Seiko. It's a great looking watch that would be better if it had no markings on the dial.
To anyone who didn't bother to watch the video: No, it's not even a real Seiko, it's all aftermarket parts including the dial. The only Seiko is the movement.
I've never got the Royal Oak. But thats just a personal taste thing.I rarely spend more than 500$ on a watch. My thing is buying really cheap but nice watches.( no servicing, just throwing away) Timex Ironman is my day to day go to. I don't worry about wrecking it. Really enjoy your show. I would enjoy it more if you didn't have such a unevenly lit back drop. I like the uncluttered back ground but your lighting is unsettling. Keep up the good work.
Lego 911 is just a lower res version of the real 911. If it's big enough you won't see the difference. What's your point? Nothing is being copied correctly by this fake a** watch.
Homage watches is just a way of saying copy, clone, Counterfeit or fake in a word that sounds nicer. Some groups that are full of such Homages really get upset if you use any other word other than homage....I know because I got banned after calling out one watch as a clone because it went all the way to fake it.
For $500 you can get a much nicer real Seiko. Homage watch is a fancy way of saying I have a cheap copy. My SRPH17 is not a fancy watch but I love it and costs what I was prepared to pay for a watch.But in the end you buy what makes "you" happy. Most people don't even care 😂
Greetings from St George Utah, Here you got 2 iconic brands, and it doesn't matter really, because most people don't know the difference owning the real thing, but is fair to say is homage of the iconic AP argumently a looks,like the real thing but with the out the price...I love it....thanks again for sharing your thoughts and opinions of this iconic piece piece keep it real lol 😆..
I don't know whether AP has the resources like Rolex who appears to aggressively go after homages. To scoot the customs they come in one by one, not stocked domestically. The maker of Seikoak doesn't appear to have contact info open for all to see and they may not actually have the inventory in the states, IMO. I wish them luck because it wasn't always like this.
Way against it. I hate lack of originality. Not sure how AP would allow this though? If it’s this easy to replicate your watch to this level of perfection for a fraction of the price, would this not eventually devalue your brand?
Finally, you make the content that I have wanted for so long. First, I came to the Modified Seiko watch in 2021 and had no idea how good/quality/worthy the watch was for the collector myself. Thanks for the video.
Seiko has such rich heritage. This Royal Oak rip-off (let's not call it an homage), is not a good look at all. Saying this as a Seiko fanboy. Edit: this upset me so instantly that I posted my comment without fully watching the video. If this is a modder's handiwork then more power to him.
For. So it appears that Seiko didn’t make the watch but some ingenious modifiers came up with the idea to create this homage with Seiko branding. Not much different than the Tissot PRX in my opinion. Buy what you like and can afford as long as it isn’t a knockoff. Foreign car companies “borrow” designs all of the time. If you can’t afford a Porsche SUV then buy a Genesis SUV that has a similar look…
As far as I’m concerned, this is the equivalent of wearing a fake replica AP. It’s not even inspired by the design, like a Tissot PRX. It’s just a straight copy pasted modification of a seiko.
ive thought a bit about if i think i'm for this fake or against, because you can see its not an AP, but a lot of people dont see its also not a Seiko, because it says it is. In some way it is, because its a Seiko movement. If i comepair this to cars: if a mazda mx5 would have an rx7 engine in it, im fine with it , because its not an rx7, its "just" a tuned mx5. But put rx7 badges on that same mx5, and i woudnt like it, because its not an rx7. So im fine with using a Seiko movement, but not with the name on the dial. I think if the dial said Seikoak, this would be the best of both worlds.
I think a lot of people still aren't registering that Seiko doesn't make this watch. Its an aftermarket modder "Seikoak" that makes this with a Seiko movement. Video doesn't really make that clear until the middle of the video and even then I was a bit confused until I looked it up
Agreed, I didn't realise either until 4:30 when he said so. I think adding "Seikoak" to the video title would have been merited. A mark against @watchfinder
I am all for it. It is high time we leave Genta rest in peace. This Seiko mod is the perfect demonstration that this style of watch does not command the eye watering price tags Patek and AP think they should. Audemars Piguet should live it to the likes of Seiko and focus on making good looking, very high quality modern timepieces. A bit like Formex, but better.
I’m a fan of well done homages. Like you said, most people can’t afford a $150K watch. Having the option to buy a well-done quality homage gives the buyer room to breath while they position themselves in life to potentially own the real deal later down the road.
Revelot released the Gentus for $250. (NH35/sapphire crystal) I would rather buy something like the REVELOT without the SEIKO name on the dial. IMHO buying the one in the review or anything else is fine and I see no problem if a person likes it. I started out with Invicta and other inexpensive stuff. That was a gateway into the hobby for me. I now own a lot of modestly priced stuff from Citizen, SEIKO and plenty of micro-brands like Benarus to ZELOS. I also own and enjoy my OMEGA Railmaster. I doubt I would have any of those if it wasn't for the first Invicta.
Yeah I wouldn't buy this because it's a fake Seiko, not because it's a fake Royal Oak. I have this case sitting on my shelf so I'm definitely not against the idea of using a Royal Oak lookalike case, but it will either be sterile or personally branded.
Thanks for the tip - Not quite what I thought it would be (then again clue in name - DOH!) but some very nice close but no cigars hommages too to keep the patent police at bay.
Everything in life copies everything. Clothes, cars, watches, jewelry, furniture, houses, etc, etc... I have zero problems with a homage. Let people do what they want and wear what they want. That's my motto. Especially when most mortals will never have the money to afford the original comfortably.
I'm all for it. Modding is a part of the hobby for those who want to get closer to their watches. Seiko makea an octagonal watch in the form of an astron, blue tapestry and all.
So this watch is a Seiko mod? So all parts of the watch minus movement, case, bracelet, dial, hands, and crown are not made by Seiko factory? Because when a watch is called a Seiko mod I think like an original Seiko watch modded with after market dial, hands, glass, even bezel but this is like Alie Express watch if you change the brand to something like Pagani.
I'm more upset that it uses the Seiko branding than that it homages the AP. It's not a Seiko, it uses SOME Seiko parts. I like homages and own a Seiko powered Aliexpress integrated bracelet watch that looks AP-esque from across the room after a few drinks, but there is and always should be clear branding. It doesn't say AP or Seiko because it's neither of those things. I don't wear fake watches at any price point and I don't want to look like I do
@@xynged If it doesn't have a Seiko model number or wasn't a custom piece for a celebrity courtesy of Seiko corporate management, it isn't a Seiko & shouldn't say so on the dial. I get your point but I don't see a Ship of Theseus conundrum here. Lots of companies make parts. They aren't responsible for the finished product.
JUST don't put a seiko logo on it. Period. People do not even know what "modding" means and be like "iT's A sEIko MoD wHy ArE YOu mAD?" The one in this vid is a legit fake watch.
I'm not a fan of the Royal Oak, so not a fan of this either. It may be considered a classic but it's old and tired, like Rolex bringing out the exact same watch every year with a microscope tweak. I just get the feeling these days that most of these expensive brands are just Daniel Wellington on steroids. Fashion watches with no soul and overpriced.
I’m for it. I bought the parts from AliExpress and built one last year. It was a great experience in watch assembly and safer than pulling apart an expensive watch to see how it all comes together. Love a Seiko mod!
I love a Seiko mod too, but my issue is them selling a mod with actual Seiko branding on it. I think it’s fine if you wanna have a Seiko logo on your own mod, but to go and produce many of them and sell them with Seiko branding is a different story IMO. At that point I would consider it a fake/replica instead of a mod
Comments like this are abominations against comedy. Like the "I'm just pretending to be re*arded" meme. How long are you gonna keep repeating it before you come up with a better joke? Not to mention that saying that joke on it's own suggests that Seiko isn't a very good brand.
"Modding" is so abused. This is a FAKE. A nice term would be TRIBUTE. Most people don't even know what modding is. Modding is making changes on existing watches. What is the original watch for this Seikoak? Making a Casioak out of GA2100 is modding. This is making fake watches and, on top of that, putting Seiko's logo on it, illegally.
Oh Please 🙏 It's a watch❤❤❤ Art is Art! Buy it? Don't buy it? They are killing around the world! Not to mention the starving and homeless? Watches at hundreds of thousands of dollars? Get real❤❤❤
It's not a Seiko but it says Seiko on the dail. Well.. Of course modding watches is awesome, but don't try to trick people that these are original (either Seiko or AP). That's just not okay.
I've got the Maurice lacroix aikon with a grey dial, it's a a really nice watch with a stainless steel bracelet and a silicone rubber strap. It's a No from me. I just dont like fake watches...saying that I'm wearing a Seiko Automatic right now,...but it's a real Seiko..😊
This knockoff mod, excuse me "homage", of a Royal Oak is like a guy putting a poster of his favorite swimsuit model on his wall. Its the closest he is going to get to the real thing, and while he knows its not the real thing, it makes dreaming about the unattainable just slightly easier.
Stealing and copying designs = a fake watch. And now you're just putting a target on your back for theft, all for wearing a knock-off. Hilarious to me.
So you’re saying, one of the most prestigious and beloved watches of the last 50 years should be less than many fashion watches, containing Chinese quartz?
Maybe if the good watches were priced more in line with their “actual value” then there probably wouldn’t be any place in the market for all of the garbage watches.
@@milosilic23I think what he wants to say is that AP is 100 times more expensive than a cheap Seiko... S class is only 10 times more expensive than a cheap new car...
I have to say I'm for it! A youtuber recently put a Honda v6 into a ferrari 308. I view it as a compliment to Ferrari and Honda each to their respective strengths. Beauty meets reliability. Ferrari meets Honda. AP meets Seiko.
For God (or whatever you believe or not in) sake, can we stop making stupid comparisons between watches? Can’t stand one more of these ‘don’t buy a Rolex, buy a Timex and you will be better of…’
How is this company allowed to sell a watch with “Seiko” on the dial? Especially since the seller is based in the USA, I feel like this is a copyright nightmare
I like the Seiko brand but have recently broken two at work where I literally brake rocks. To vaudeville against more movement failure I bought a Casioak G Shock , stands up to punishment better, although I do miss the sweeping hand of an auto movement. There is a place for all watches and if I were to get a dress watch to replace the broken Seiko’s this would be it as my budget will not stretch to the real thing. But if you want to break rocks and keep accurate time with the Royal Oak look get a Casio.
3 of my 4 Seiko watches have failed before the two year mark, and the harshest conditions they’ve ever seen were my desk at Uni or chilling in the subway home. Ridiculous. Workhorse movements my ass, they’re lazy donkeys at best.
@@PocketUau I don't believe you. Have had many Seikos over the years and not a single one has failed. I find it extremely hard to believe that 3 out of 4 of your Seikos failed just like that.
Noooo Watchfinder. Don't platform Frankensteins. It isn't a Seiko just because it contains a Seiko movement and has a really suspect aftermarket branding applied on the dial.
First the clickbait "bEtTeR tHaN a RoLeX !!1!" videos, now straightaway ragebait content about chinese knockoff watches . . . what has this channel become . . .
This is 50+% of the AP watch for 3% of the price. For this alone i like it, because it sends a clear message to the big boys in Switzerland, up your game or cut your prices!
I agree but would say closer to 80%. Imagine what they could do with $1000? $1500? I think you’d get close to 98%. The high end Rolex clones (which is a funny concept to say) are insanely close to the real deal these days.
This Seikoak will have +/- 5 min a day and your arm hair and the mineral glass will shave each other in the hope that you do not see the movement out of shame. I despise AP as much as I despise fake watches and fake people who have no dignity.
I'm all for it. I've done something similar that looks a little like a Milgauss. It also has the Seiko badge on the dial (because I want to be very clear that it's not a Rolex and also because of the Seiko movement inside.) That said, I wouldn't sell a watch like that to the public. It's something I put together for me to wear because I like how it looks and I don't have to worry much about it getting scratched or otherwise damaged.
A mass of manufacturers have tried to "steal" some RO money at all prices so why not a modding company. Not sure how relaxed Seiko will be with this however so if you want one I'd buy now before the lawyers appear.
I got nothing against cheaper homages, in fact, I love that there are affordable alternatives for all to enjoy. I even make reviews of affordable alternatives to expensive and midrange watches on my channel. BUT here is where I draw the line, this is like promoting replica watches. This watch is by no means a seiko, or even a modded seiko and has never been a seiko, neither has any part of this watch ever belonged to a seiko watch. This is straight replicas that unfairly uses the Seiko trademarkt to make money. I love this channel and I love the host but I am dissapointed in seeing this video, really. Anyway best wishes for 2024 everyone, I really hope the channel didnt realize this and make adjustments now that they know. 💯🥳
I do some SEIKO modding myself. I like this one, as it is a little different from the original due to the salmon dial. The green and blue ones are a little too close. You can even argue putting a Seiko branded dial on it makes sense, as it makes use of a Seiko NH35; not trying to get close to the original. I did a Seiko Royal Oak GMT in black and red, even further from the original (only because I had a non-working NH34, and a fumé red no logo dial and 24hr chapter ring which didn’t fit on a different build). However, it’s for personal use, and I’m not trying to sell it. ruclips.net/user/shortspTiiBNgtvzM?si=POncoB3GZKb6gucq
@@memutu Yeah, it looks kinda cool. I hardly ever wear it though, as the GMT hand doesn't work. (I got sent a faulty NH34). So, I'll probably take it out and do something else with it. Perhaps a white dial with rose gold indices and rose gold hands.
Watches are an aspirational buy for me so I’d never long to buy a “cheap” watch that completely copies another. I’d be looking for something unique! But if someone brought this to a watch meet up I’d deff be interested and happy they own it haha 😊
I would have to say that if you are going to do a homage have the decency to not use another companies trademark on the homage unless you actually purchased genuine watch parts that you are reusing. I am disturbed with the amount of trademark usage that goes on fragrantly in the mod of watches; I love the idea of making something your own, or making something similar to the style of a watch you admire, but use a sterile dial, or your own flair on it; don't put a Seiko or some other brand on the dial that actually had no part in making it. Just my 2 cents. In any case, I don't feel like it is a "fake" per se unless you try to pass it off as an original watch. Also; I've experienced a true phenomenon of people making a watch only to find that they've eerily come close to another watchmaker's design sheerly through coincidence and the availability of the style of parts that were available for them to purchase. In cases, such as these, while it is difficult to know whether they in fact were aware, I think these are even more forgivable.
Since the real Royal Oak is probably the most over priced watch ever made I have no problem with people doing this. Imagine the amazing watch collection you could have for just the price of a single AP
I personally find it to be the smarter purchase. In my opinion there is NO REASON to spend 20k - 100k on a watch. I find the majority of people interested in the actual Royal oak are only interested in it for clout or attention ( generally a younger demographic) At it foundation it's not really about it being an Audemars Piguet it's the design take away the brand name put the Ap silhouette and build on a 2,500-5k watch equally as desired if not more. Granted the upper echelon of society is drawn to the Ap for the status associated with owning one, Seeing how the access to a Audemars Piguet is relatively exclusive and in some cases invite only. My opinion could be tented though, as to your Ferrari comment another thing I would never buy and can afford. This I find is to be a more since able approach seeing how "value" both in concept and understanding is subjective and always has been. Not discrediting anyone that chooses to spend 40k on a watch or more but. To each their own spend the money you earn as you please. :)
I’m all for it. I’d take the Seikoak over a PRX any day! But would take a CW Twelve over both. This mod (sold by Seikoak NOT an official Seiko as the video leads you to believe) is for the other 99% that are not in AP’s rarified air.
I think many are not registering that looking back at most Swiss watches, and makers. Catalogs were available where one could buy movements, parts, and assemble,”time pieces” and stick their own badge on it! A simple history lesson will provide that knowledge. As for the Oak shape. Everything and everyone, and every brand has used this god awful shape to be put on ones wrist! What is the fking big deal here? The fact is, the AP price is nonsense and pushed up by hysteria. Same as the Rolex. Retail affordable, but because Rolex has this vetting process for buyers first, everyone goes to the second hand market which just inflates the price, as those who are lucky enough to get one, can price it at what they like! Fortunately WatchFinder does sell Rolex at normal UK prices. Also AP’s are also cheap considering what is bounded around in the US. So is this a Seiko or fake AP! I say for this version yes it is AP-esk but it looks bloody good and as a Seiko fan who appreciates the movement of a Seiko and the style of a HublotAPCasioak then I will buy one please. Those who have commented in disgust that it is an insult to Seiko, well I think you are wrong, because it is Seiko who allows such beautiful timepieces to be created via their movements, and Logo! Also this AP face is just one, of a few brilliant ones that have been made like the AVENTURINE and the Skeleton. Research will find you the creators. Timeout-outatime!
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Might get you robbed for no reason
Yup, my thoughts exactly.
But if the thief has no plans to use violence, you lose $450-$500, not $50k-$1M+ and have to deal with insurance if you have it
Otherwise you're getting wetted up over $500 lol
carry a gun
You'd get robbed, then when they realise it ain't what they thought you'd get stabbed. Then when they realised it's a Seiko they'd come back and stab you again if there's any justice in the world.
Zero chance. Luxury watch thives are organised they know exactly what they look for they're not gonna lose time on 500 seiko. You're absolutly saying bs.
@@magikkris There are good thieves and there are crap ones. You dont get to choose.
Modding and homages are part of the gateway to watch collecting and even horology! Let's be real, those who can "start" a collection with an AP or ALS are not real enthusiats (imho). It's like saying "i got into art when my father gave me my first Monet at 16yo" It would be difficult to be sees as anything other than a snob. I believe that most of us who collect watches and are really into the hobby, have gone through phases and learned continuously how to carefully curate our collection. Modding is the easiest "hands-on" way to learn how to put together a time piece and these homages/replicas actually help us learn and differentiate (even appreciate) the details and craftsmanship of the real grails.
I agree that most of us mere mortals will never be able to afford a real oak, and sometimes wearing a FAKE would clash with our actual economical posibilities. What I mean is, timepieces are conversation starters or make people notice you. If my networth is under $500k, it would seem ridicoulus, irresponsible, childish to be wearing an actual $100k watch... So a fake comes down to 2 possibilities: 1) you actually trick people into thinking it is real and look dumb or 2) people will realize it is fake and wonder what other things you are faking.
SOLUTION? SEIKOAK! What is says is: I know about the royal oak, I know what it represents and this is a personalized take within a sensible budget. I didn't struggle to get it, nor did I make any sacrifices. I just researched and liked this one.
I bought the parts to assemble a similar watch with the only differences are that I used a black dial and a black day ring. It cost me 96€ (cost of the parts) and I assembled it with my tools. This isn't an homage watch neither a "real Seiko". It's called a Seiko Mod and it's made with the same movement as a Seiko (4R35 for Seiko) -> HN35 for the build (same as 4R35). It's made made by people that Mod watches and this one is based on a AP Royal Oak. It's not sold neither as a original Seiko neither as a homage or a rep of the AP. There can be mods for almost all watches that exists, depends just on what you like and what parts are available in the market. For 500$ you where just straight up robbed. This is just informative. By any means, the video is good, keep up the good work my friend.
Personally I feel like the content of channels like this reflects the downturn in the luxury watch market (specifically the secondary market).
The channels want to keep growing but are running out of topics so we see even more videos like “great alternatives to Rolex”
every video feels the same on this channel
I have way more respect for Seiko than to go buy one of these. Seiko is no Audemars Piguet, but lets make one thing clear they are a very respectable watch brand with Exceptional watches and history with amazing engineering and quality. To use their name on a fake AP looking watch is just wrong imo... I personally prefer some of Seiko model's designs over any other watch maker company. APs are very beautiful watches but they are priced out of our league therfore I simply will not get to enjoy one why is that such hard thing to accept for some? I do however enjoy every moment with my beautiful seikos which I can afford atm..
I own the very same one! With the salmon dial, and I gotta tell ya, It gets more compliments and attention than my Pepsi or classic submariner
More and more I feel like this channel is not for me and saying it doesn't matter if you mess up a $500 watch doesn't help that haha.
I can understand but the value of nice watch is around 2-3k basically so anything below 1k is a beater.
And I speak as a youtube POV in general, not my opininion.
@@kayless32 I wear a £40 Casio and I'm not happy when I scratch it.
PRX - Yes please
Seikoak - Not for me (unless you own AP)
Fakes - No thanks
This“Seikoak” is a fake.
My only issue with this is that people are paying $500 for it when with very little research you could build you own for $100 give or take
Oh my dear Lord.
The purple dial is astonishing. Will buy
I like Seiko mods and building watches with Seiko movements. I've modified a lot of Seikos, and I've built watches with Seiko movements and everything else aftermarket. It's a fun hobby and they make great gifts for friends. What I never do is actually put a Seiko marked dial on a watch I built from parts. There's a difference between an homage and a fake. Fake Seikos are still fake. If a person doesn't feel right wearing a fake Rolex, they should feel the same way about wearing a fake Seiko. It's a great looking watch that would be better if it had no markings on the dial.
To anyone who didn't bother to watch the video:
No, it's not even a real Seiko, it's all aftermarket parts including the dial. The only Seiko is the movement.
...... duh.
@ViolentReactorso many people didn’t watch the video based on the comments 😂
@@ajmarionI have counted over 30 who clearly didn’t watch it before writing a comment.
I've never got the Royal Oak. But thats just a personal taste thing.I rarely spend more than 500$ on a watch. My thing is buying really cheap but nice watches.( no servicing, just throwing away) Timex Ironman is my day to day go to. I don't worry about wrecking it. Really enjoy your show. I would enjoy it more if you didn't have such a unevenly lit back drop. I like the uncluttered back ground but your lighting is unsettling. Keep up the good work.
If this is so easily being copied. AP needs to up their game and make their watch not being easily copied.
Lego 911 is just a lower res version of the real 911. If it's big enough you won't see the difference. What's your point? Nothing is being copied correctly by this fake a** watch.
How
This feels like an April Fools joke.
More water resistant than the Royal Oak...
Homage watches is just a way of saying copy, clone, Counterfeit or fake in a word that sounds nicer. Some groups that are full of such Homages really get upset if you use any other word other than homage....I know because I got banned after calling out one watch as a clone because it went all the way to fake it.
Nice Seiko, the series should be called Feiko
I mean where does Seikoak get the case and bracelet? My money is from the same factories in Shenzhen that also produce parts for replicas aka fakes.
Absolutely!
I got the same movement in my oyster prepetual "inspired" seiko for £260. But this is a full-blown fakeo. Never go full-blown fakeo
For $500 you can get a much nicer real Seiko. Homage watch is a fancy way of saying I have a cheap copy. My SRPH17 is not a fancy watch but I love it and costs what I was prepared to pay for a watch.But in the end you buy what makes "you" happy. Most people don't even care 😂
This model is called the Royal Broke.
Greetings from St George Utah, Here you got 2 iconic brands, and it doesn't matter really, because most people don't know the difference owning the real thing, but is fair to say is homage of the iconic AP argumently a looks,like the real thing but with the out the price...I love it....thanks again for sharing your thoughts and opinions of this iconic piece piece keep it real lol 😆..
I don't understand how the producer of this watch is getting away with using the Seiko trademark. I would not bother with it.
I am against fake watches….but a mod is different I think….
How do I get one?
I don't know whether AP has the resources like Rolex who appears to aggressively go after homages. To scoot the customs they come in one by one, not stocked domestically. The maker of Seikoak doesn't appear to have contact info open for all to see and they may not actually have the inventory in the states, IMO. I wish them luck because it wasn't always like this.
Fake. The Seiko logo is counterfeit. And the AP clone is straight from a replica factory
Welll made mods can be a good buy. I have a mod with a seiko nh72 movement which looks amazing and cost £500.
Way against it. I hate lack of originality. Not sure how AP would allow this though? If it’s this easy to replicate your watch to this level of perfection for a fraction of the price, would this not eventually devalue your brand?
You should do a video of the Tudor Pelagos 39mm titanium v the seestern equivalent which is virtually identical and £3500 odd cheaper.
Finally, you make the content that I have wanted for so long. First, I came to the Modified Seiko watch in 2021 and had no idea how good/quality/worthy the watch was for the collector myself. Thanks for the video.
The watch isn’t worth $150,00.00 but to a fragile ego with money it’s a bargain.
Seiko has such rich heritage. This Royal Oak rip-off (let's not call it an homage), is not a good look at all. Saying this as a Seiko fanboy.
Edit: this upset me so instantly that I posted my comment without fully watching the video. If this is a modder's handiwork then more power to him.
For. So it appears that Seiko didn’t make the watch but some ingenious modifiers came up with the idea to create this homage with Seiko branding. Not much different than the Tissot PRX in my opinion. Buy what you like and can afford as long as it isn’t a knockoff. Foreign car companies “borrow” designs all of the time. If you can’t afford a Porsche SUV then buy a Genesis SUV that has a similar look…
Honestly, this looks PRETTY COOL. i'd love to own one.
As far as I’m concerned, this is the equivalent of wearing a fake replica AP. It’s not even inspired by the design, like a Tissot PRX. It’s just a straight copy pasted modification of a seiko.
ive thought a bit about if i think i'm for this fake or against, because you can see its not an AP, but a lot of people dont see its also not a Seiko, because it says it is. In some way it is, because its a Seiko movement.
If i comepair this to cars: if a mazda mx5 would have an rx7 engine in it, im fine with it , because its not an rx7, its "just" a tuned mx5. But put rx7 badges on that same mx5, and i woudnt like it, because its not an rx7.
So im fine with using a Seiko movement, but not with the name on the dial. I think if the dial said Seikoak, this would be the best of both worlds.
cease and desist faster than this video uploads
If it's a fake, it's illegal. Period.
neither...both look like the owner has their taste in their month!
this video will trigger the watch snobs 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭
I think a lot of people still aren't registering that Seiko doesn't make this watch. Its an aftermarket modder "Seikoak" that makes this with a Seiko movement. Video doesn't really make that clear until the middle of the video and even then I was a bit confused until I looked it up
Ok that makes a little more sense. I thought Seiko just said screw it, time to go full Alibaba.
I think it would be fine if it was a sterile dial.
seiko would not use a nh35... they would have used 4r35/4r36 in factory
this is a rebranded Pagani Design. for 5x the price.
Agreed, I didn't realise either until 4:30 when he said so. I think adding "Seikoak" to the video title would have been merited. A mark against @watchfinder
It took me way too long to realize this wasn't an actual Seiko. I'm not worried it is a fake AP, but I don't like that it's a fake Seiko.
It's fake boths
It’s a real seiko movement. Real seiko just modded
@@Segabomb Then Rolex is JLC.
The only original part is the movement. Everything is aftermarket on these modded watches
This movement costs $2 btw
I am all for it.
It is high time we leave Genta rest in peace. This Seiko mod is the perfect demonstration that this style of watch does not command the eye watering price tags Patek and AP think they should.
Audemars Piguet should live it to the likes of Seiko and focus on making good looking, very high quality modern timepieces. A bit like Formex, but better.
Why does it need a Seiko logo on it then?
@@laurusschluep7464it doesn’t , you can buy sterile dials , I go out of my way to double check the dials I buy for my builds are sterile.
I Own One , Uhh It’s A Cool Starter Watch , But Being Able To Buy An 18k Gold AP Would Be Worth Every Dollar It Costs
@@SlimDaGoat100 emphasis on being able too considering how pretentious they are at actually selling you something.
@@remmymartinnn7092 LITERALLY , You Can Either Wait 6 Years To Pay $100,000.00 Retail Or Double From A Reseller 😂
I’m a fan of well done homages. Like you said, most people can’t afford a $150K watch. Having the option to buy a well-done quality homage gives the buyer room to breath while they position themselves in life to potentially own the real deal later down the road.
Well said
Revelot released the Gentus for $250. (NH35/sapphire crystal) I would rather buy something like the REVELOT without the SEIKO name on the dial. IMHO buying the one in the review or anything else is fine and I see no problem if a person likes it. I started out with Invicta and other inexpensive stuff. That was a gateway into the hobby for me. I now own a lot of modestly priced stuff from Citizen, SEIKO and plenty of micro-brands like Benarus to ZELOS. I also own and enjoy my OMEGA Railmaster. I doubt I would have any of those if it wasn't for the first Invicta.
Yeah I wouldn't buy this because it's a fake Seiko, not because it's a fake Royal Oak. I have this case sitting on my shelf so I'm definitely not against the idea of using a Royal Oak lookalike case, but it will either be sterile or personally branded.
Thanks for the tip - Not quite what I thought it would be (then again clue in name - DOH!) but some very nice close but no cigars hommages too to keep the patent police at bay.
Everything in life copies everything.
Clothes, cars, watches, jewelry, furniture, houses, etc, etc...
I have zero problems with a homage.
Let people do what they want and wear what they want. That's my motto.
Especially when most mortals will never have the money to afford the original comfortably.
I'm all for it. Modding is a part of the hobby for those who want to get closer to their watches.
Seiko makea an octagonal watch in the form of an astron, blue tapestry and all.
I’m all for modding, and selling modded watches, but I’m not at all for selling them with the Seiko logo on it.
So this watch is a Seiko mod? So all parts of the watch minus movement, case, bracelet, dial, hands, and crown are not made by Seiko factory? Because when a watch is called a Seiko mod I think like an original Seiko watch modded with after market dial, hands, glass, even bezel but this is like Alie Express watch if you change the brand to something like Pagani.
I love seiko mods, but i hate fake seiko dials
I don't like this watch. which shouldn't be surprising since I also don't like the Royal Oak.
I'm more upset that it uses the Seiko branding than that it homages the AP. It's not a Seiko, it uses SOME Seiko parts. I like homages and own a Seiko powered Aliexpress integrated bracelet watch that looks AP-esque from across the room after a few drinks, but there is and always should be clear branding. It doesn't say AP or Seiko because it's neither of those things. I don't wear fake watches at any price point and I don't want to look like I do
Ship of Theseus
@@xynged If it doesn't have a Seiko model number or wasn't a custom piece for a celebrity courtesy of Seiko corporate management, it isn't a Seiko & shouldn't say so on the dial. I get your point but I don't see a Ship of Theseus conundrum here. Lots of companies make parts. They aren't responsible for the finished product.
JUST don't put a seiko logo on it. Period. People do not even know what "modding" means and be like "iT's A sEIko MoD wHy ArE YOu mAD?" The one in this vid is a legit fake watch.
I'm not a fan of the Royal Oak, so not a fan of this either. It may be considered a classic but it's old and tired, like Rolex bringing out the exact same watch every year with a microscope tweak. I just get the feeling these days that most of these expensive brands are just Daniel Wellington on steroids. Fashion watches with no soul and overpriced.
I’m for it. I bought the parts from AliExpress and built one last year. It was a great experience in watch assembly and safer than pulling apart an expensive watch to see how it all comes together. Love a Seiko mod!
I love a Seiko mod too, but my issue is them selling a mod with actual Seiko branding on it. I think it’s fine if you wanna have a Seiko logo on your own mod, but to go and produce many of them and sell them with Seiko branding is a different story IMO. At that point I would consider it a fake/replica instead of a mod
Yeah this is a Seiko Mod from the factory. Funny there’s tons of Royal Oak Seiko mods & Casio mods but if Seiko makes one it kinda looks sus.
Why would one want to glue that cheap Seiko logo on YOUR watch?
I'm planing to use a Casioak and kit bash it
That's an abomination against Seiko, nevermind Audemars Piquet.
Comments like this are abominations against comedy. Like the "I'm just pretending to be re*arded" meme. How long are you gonna keep repeating it before you come up with a better joke?
Not to mention that saying that joke on it's own suggests that Seiko isn't a very good brand.
"Modding" is so abused. This is a FAKE. A nice term would be TRIBUTE. Most people don't even know what modding is. Modding is making changes on existing watches. What is the original watch for this Seikoak? Making a Casioak out of GA2100 is modding. This is making fake watches and, on top of that, putting Seiko's logo on it, illegally.
Oh Please 🙏 It's a watch❤❤❤ Art is Art! Buy it? Don't buy it? They are killing around the world! Not to mention the starving and homeless? Watches at hundreds of thousands of dollars? Get real❤❤❤
It's not a Seiko but it says Seiko on the dail. Well.. Of course modding watches is awesome, but don't try to trick people that these are original (either Seiko or AP). That's just not okay.
It's not a trick, it is well known that these are Seiko MODS
Feiko. Ah shit, he said it why I was typing.
NH35 movement is 30 bucks. Why am I paying 470 for the case?
The case is ~$50, so I guess you're paying $420 for a very very special fake Seiko dial.
All the parts on ali are around 150 usd :-) aaa... And 20 usd worth of tools :-)
the real question is how can the AP cost 150k?
luxury goods are scam
Scam yes, plain and simple
This hurt my eyes
I've got the Maurice lacroix aikon with a grey dial, it's a a really nice watch with a stainless steel bracelet and a silicone rubber strap. It's a No from me. I just dont like fake watches...saying that I'm wearing a Seiko Automatic right now,...but it's a real Seiko..😊
This knockoff mod, excuse me "homage", of a Royal Oak is like a guy putting a poster of his favorite swimsuit model on his wall. Its the closest he is going to get to the real thing, and while he knows its not the real thing, it makes dreaming about the unattainable just slightly easier.
Stealing and copying designs = a fake watch. And now you're just putting a target on your back for theft, all for wearing a knock-off. Hilarious to me.
I think real ap royal oak should be $1000 or less. There is no reason for these simple watches to be as expensive as they are.
So you’re saying, one of the most prestigious and beloved watches of the last 50 years should be less than many fashion watches, containing Chinese quartz?
Maybe if the good watches were priced more in line with their “actual value” then there probably wouldn’t be any place in the market for all of the garbage watches.
By that logic there is no logic for an S class to cost more than 50k because you can get a hyundai genesis for that price.
@@milosilic23I think what he wants to say is that AP is 100 times more expensive than a cheap Seiko... S class is only 10 times more expensive than a cheap new car...
Ya if LV sells for $20 nobody would want one. The feeling of excess is part of the price.
I have to say I'm for it! A youtuber recently put a Honda v6 into a ferrari 308. I view it as a compliment to Ferrari and Honda each to their respective strengths. Beauty meets reliability. Ferrari meets Honda. AP meets Seiko.
For God (or whatever you believe or not in) sake, can we stop making stupid comparisons between watches?
Can’t stand one more of these ‘don’t buy a Rolex, buy a Timex and you will be better of…’
What's funnier than a Watch Snob in general? A Watch Snob that's so ignorant they assume Seiko is manufacturing this watch.
Over 30 in this comment section so far lmao
I’m such a big fan of Seiko mod watches, thanks for covering these. I’ve got a sweet explorer-type mod that has been a daily wear for a while now.
How is this company allowed to sell a watch with “Seiko” on the dial? Especially since the seller is based in the USA, I feel like this is a copyright nightmare
all is come from china, then selling it worldwide
Dude the Chinese made an entire economy around stealing others property and not giving a F
Haha this comment section really does prove people don’t bother watching videos before typing their feelings and outrage.
Since the Royal Oak does absolutely nothing for me, then the feiko doesn't either.
I like the Seiko brand but have recently broken two at work where I literally brake rocks. To vaudeville against more movement failure I bought a Casioak G Shock , stands up to punishment better, although I do miss the sweeping hand of an auto movement. There is a place for all watches and if I were to get a dress watch to replace the broken Seiko’s this would be it as my budget will not stretch to the real thing. But if you want to break rocks and keep accurate time with the Royal Oak look get a Casio.
3 of my 4 Seiko watches have failed before the two year mark, and the harshest conditions they’ve ever seen were my desk at Uni or chilling in the subway home. Ridiculous. Workhorse movements my ass, they’re lazy donkeys at best.
@@PocketUau I don't believe you. Have had many Seikos over the years and not a single one has failed. I find it extremely hard to believe that 3 out of 4 of your Seikos failed just like that.
Next watch: San Martin. They deserve a review from you!
The AP crowd is becoming as obnoxious as the Hublot crowd. The Royal Oak has jumped the shark.
Audemars Piguet trying to claim the hexagon shape as their own is so funny :))) What's next, the circle?
So it's a double fake, or a "Deep Fake".
im waiting for the san martin version. a homage built with quality unlike seiko
Noooo Watchfinder. Don't platform Frankensteins. It isn't a Seiko just because it contains a Seiko movement and has a really suspect aftermarket branding applied on the dial.
It's a Seiko mod. This isn't an OEM watch. Probably should bring that up earlier in the video
I agree, that should have been disclaimed at the start
But why put Seiko on the Dial? Because of the movement?
Because the seller is trying to piggyback off the history, heritage, and brand recognition of Seiko
Looks like a good watch . Tells the time.
Honestly a $20 casio can do that ;)
I have a "homage" Royal Oak too, even has Audemar Piquet written on it 😂
First the clickbait "bEtTeR tHaN a RoLeX !!1!" videos, now straightaway ragebait content about chinese knockoff watches . . . what has this channel become . . .
Get your own channel and do whatever you want. He doesn't owe you anything.
@@MrMESSI I don't need to be a surgeon to identify a botched surgery. . . Stan
This is 50+% of the AP watch for 3% of the price. For this alone i like it, because it sends a clear message to the big boys in Switzerland, up your game or cut your prices!
I agree but would say closer to 80%. Imagine what they could do with $1000? $1500? I think you’d get close to 98%. The high end Rolex clones (which is a funny concept to say) are insanely close to the real deal these days.
This Seikoak will have +/- 5 min a day and your arm hair and the mineral glass will shave each other in the hope that you do not see the movement out of shame. I despise AP as much as I despise fake watches and fake people who have no dignity.
I'm all for it. I've done something similar that looks a little like a Milgauss. It also has the Seiko badge on the dial (because I want to be very clear that it's not a Rolex and also because of the Seiko movement inside.) That said, I wouldn't sell a watch like that to the public. It's something I put together for me to wear because I like how it looks and I don't have to worry much about it getting scratched or otherwise damaged.
That’s my take exactly. I’m fine with a mod having a Seiko logo on it, but not turning around and producing those for public sale
A mass of manufacturers have tried to "steal" some RO money at all prices so why not a modding company. Not sure how relaxed Seiko will be with this however so if you want one I'd buy now before the lawyers appear.
I got nothing against cheaper homages, in fact, I love that there are affordable alternatives for all to enjoy. I even make reviews of affordable alternatives to expensive and midrange watches on my channel.
BUT here is where I draw the line, this is like promoting replica watches. This watch is by no means a seiko, or even a modded seiko and has never been a seiko, neither has any part of this watch ever belonged to a seiko watch. This is straight replicas that unfairly uses the Seiko trademarkt to make money.
I love this channel and I love the host but I am dissapointed in seeing this video, really.
Anyway best wishes for 2024 everyone, I really hope the channel didnt realize this and make adjustments now that they know. 💯🥳
I do some SEIKO modding myself.
I like this one, as it is a little different from the original due to the salmon dial. The green and blue ones are a little too close.
You can even argue putting a Seiko branded dial on it makes sense, as it makes use of a Seiko NH35; not trying to get close to the original.
I did a Seiko Royal Oak GMT in black and red, even further from the original (only because I had a non-working NH34, and a fumé red no logo dial and 24hr chapter ring which didn’t fit on a different build). However, it’s for personal use, and I’m not trying to sell it.
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You've mixed at least three brands there but still a nice one😅
@@memutu Yeah, it looks kinda cool.
I hardly ever wear it though, as the GMT hand doesn't work. (I got sent a faulty NH34).
So, I'll probably take it out and do something else with it.
Perhaps a white dial with rose gold indices and rose gold hands.
Watches are an aspirational buy for me so I’d never long to buy a “cheap” watch that completely copies another. I’d be looking for something unique! But if someone brought this to a watch meet up I’d deff be interested and happy they own it haha 😊
Two words - stolen design. Sorry but it's a NO for me. SWATCH owns Blancpain and OMEGA and it's a completely different story there.
Once they put the name Seiko on the dial the mistake was made.
I would have to say that if you are going to do a homage have the decency to not use another companies trademark on the homage unless you actually purchased genuine watch parts that you are reusing. I am disturbed with the amount of trademark usage that goes on fragrantly in the mod of watches; I love the idea of making something your own, or making something similar to the style of a watch you admire, but use a sterile dial, or your own flair on it; don't put a Seiko or some other brand on the dial that actually had no part in making it. Just my 2 cents. In any case, I don't feel like it is a "fake" per se unless you try to pass it off as an original watch. Also; I've experienced a true phenomenon of people making a watch only to find that they've eerily come close to another watchmaker's design sheerly through coincidence and the availability of the style of parts that were available for them to purchase. In cases, such as these, while it is difficult to know whether they in fact were aware, I think these are even more forgivable.
Since the real Royal Oak is probably the most over priced watch ever made I have no problem with people doing this. Imagine the amazing watch collection you could have for just the price of a single AP
Seiko movement? Seiko logo? Even if it's a mod watch that Seiko doesn't make, it's a homage, NOT a fake. You cannot lose here.
I personally find it to be the smarter purchase. In my opinion there is NO REASON to spend 20k - 100k on a watch.
I find the majority of people interested in the actual Royal oak are only interested in it for clout or attention ( generally a younger demographic)
At it foundation it's not really about it being an Audemars Piguet it's the design take away the brand name put the Ap silhouette and build on a 2,500-5k watch equally as desired if not more. Granted the upper echelon of society is drawn to the Ap for the status associated with owning one, Seeing how the access to a Audemars Piguet is relatively exclusive and in some cases invite only.
My opinion could be tented though, as to your Ferrari comment another thing I would never buy and can afford. This I find is to be a more since able approach seeing how "value" both in concept and understanding is subjective and always has been.
Not discrediting anyone that chooses to spend 40k on a watch or more but. To each their own spend the money you earn as you please. :)
I’m all for it. I’d take the Seikoak over a PRX any day! But would take a CW Twelve over both. This mod (sold by Seikoak NOT an official Seiko as the video leads you to believe) is for the other 99% that are not in AP’s rarified air.
I think many are not registering that looking back at most Swiss watches, and makers. Catalogs were available where one could buy movements, parts, and assemble,”time pieces” and stick their own badge on it!
A simple history lesson will provide that knowledge.
As for the Oak shape. Everything and everyone, and every brand has used this god awful shape to be put on ones wrist! What is the fking big deal here?
The fact is, the AP price is nonsense and pushed up by hysteria. Same as the Rolex. Retail affordable, but because Rolex has this vetting process for buyers first, everyone goes to the second hand market which just inflates the price, as those who are lucky enough to get one, can price it at what they like! Fortunately WatchFinder does sell Rolex at normal UK prices. Also AP’s are also cheap considering what is bounded around in the US.
So is this a Seiko or fake AP! I say for this version yes it is AP-esk but it looks bloody good and as a Seiko fan who appreciates the movement of a Seiko and the style of a HublotAPCasioak then I will buy one please. Those who have commented in disgust that it is an insult to Seiko, well I think you are wrong, because it is Seiko who allows such beautiful timepieces to be created via their movements, and Logo!
Also this AP face is just one, of a few brilliant ones that have been made like the AVENTURINE and the Skeleton. Research will find you the creators.
Timeout-outatime!