Protect the brand? I see brand new royal oaks flooding the grey market every day.... It is such a shame that real watch enthusiasts have been priced and depopularised out this experience.
@@sachiyth How? It's pretty simple. I can move watches on C24 or any other platform. Why would a Rolex AD sell to you at retail when they can sell to me at retail plus the $2,000 cash I'm going to put in his hand in the car park after? Privacy laws means the AD legally can't give Rolex my contact info. Ta
What's wrong with Dave or stormzy? They are tax paying citizens of the UK that live in London near the ADs selling the watches and can afford the watches not sure why they would be excluded from an opportunity to purchase them
@@dean9090 unsure what that has to do with buying an audemars from the AD I see chavs buying watches all the time I didn't know social class was a requirement to spend money at a retailer
Funny thing about this whole "vetting process" is that their target audience actually values time above everything else. "I'll send my assitant to jump through all of these fiery hoops, is that ok for you?"
@@David-yd6ur It's a mindset thing, you don't get it but it's ok: I can wait for a Ulysse Nardin, A' Lange und Sohne, F.P' Journe and the likes because they take a long time to make. For a Rolex or an AP? Hell no! If you don't want my money, I'll spend it with someone who is more respectful and grateful for it.
@@galenmarek6949j'ai bien lu votre commentaire ???? Ulysse Nardin au milieu de FP Journe et L and S ???? 😂😂😂😂😂 j'ai craché mon café sur le bureau en vous lisant .... Monsieur Monsieur Monsieur cessez votre baratin ... ne tentez pas de glisser le modèle que vous devez avoir au poignet pour faire de la pub s'il vous plaît 😂😂😂😂 Ulysse Nardin 😂😂😂😂 je n'arrête pas de rire .. Ulysse Nardin c'est Hublot ... AP / PP puis derrière Rolex fin de l'histoire ce n'est ni moi ni vous qui décidez c'est le marché tel qu'il est fait depuis 50 ans
AP is the finest in entire swiss its finishing or level very hard any other brand to reach even I found Patek Philippe not as good finished as AP but I feel bad their range is very limited or no much versions
It’s not impossible. I bought an offshore diver on a walk in from Geneva 18 months ago. I then bought a ladies Royal Oak 34mm six months later and just bought a 41mm Royal Oak in April. And the lady I deal with in London is lovely.
For what it's worth, I didn't feel it was overly complicated here in Texas. I went in, was polite, got a wonderful education, and then stayed in touch. I showed my AD I could clearly afford the watch and what my game plan was. He was communicative and eventually after about a year or so (stopping by 3-4 times along the way) I got the call to get my first AP Offshore. Hope to get a Royal Oak next which I think is in the cards. I love my Offshore!
Gotta had in to AP they sell you a bunch of watches you didn't really want in the hopes of buying the watch you actually want and make you think that they're doing you a favor.
How times have changed in 1999 I bought my first AP a Chronograph, 39mm dark gray dial, it's on my wrist now. I bought the AP from a prominent certified AP dealer in Greenwich Conn. I got a 30% discount at the time and yes it was a new watch. When AP and so many other watch brands starting opening their own boutiques they lost their dealership. The same thing happened to my Rolex dealer in NJ after she had spent $400,000.00 to modify her store to Rolex's specifications, these companies are ruthless to the point I simply don't buy anything.
This inspired me to go on-line and write them a paragraph. Let’s just say I hope the person reading it wasn’t easily offended. Let’s just say it explained why Casio watches were better in every way
Because once people have woken up they realise that they are a) ugly and (whilst that is subjective) b) they are extremely uncomfortable. There is a point c) as well - If you have a wrist the size of a fully grown man, the strap will be too small.
AP has one big problem.. they increased the list prices in the last 5 years like no one. Without a real justification… same very small movements compared to the size, not much innovation and irritating + 2many „limited“ editions. Men Steel watch for starting from 25k$ is just a bad joke. 30k for the Chrono…
I visited AP boutique in Las Vegas in Q1 2024. No appointment. They didn’t want to let me in. Eventually they did. They made it clear I’d need to develop a relationship over 7 to 10 visits over years before I’d be potentially eligible to buy a watch. Get real. I’ll never buy an AP from an AD. Bunch of snots.
very interesting... why on the grey market do dealers have a trade price at retail price i.e. there is no premium in this watch at all. This implies no one wants it, or supply outstrips demand.
I have the 26331OR chocolate dial & the 15400OR but I’m still waiting on a steel blue or green chronograph Royal Oak after 2 years. Don’t know if you are aware but AP House London is moving from new bond st. to a new site with a rooftop terrace in the very near future.
I went to Harrods about 18 months back. All very nice and cosy. Registered for a gold Royal Oak, black face leather strap. Can’t remember the 50 odd digit model number. Heard nothing since. If I get the call, great. If I don’t, great… 😊
Stunning watches, but the luxury brand approval experience is contrived AF. It’s for people who are a little plastic in substance. I’d rather a normal transaction and buy grey market.
So sick of sucking up to the these certain watch companies AP,Rolex,Patek I’m spending my hard earned money and want what I want when I want it so many other great watch brands that I can actually walk in and buy a beautiful watch without having to suck up to the sales person and telling me sorry we don’t have anything but you can put your name on the list and we’ll call you when we get one in of which they rarely due. Thousands of other great brands people wake up IWC,Cartier,Breitling,Omega, Christopher Ward, Panerai and Tag Huer and on and on. Case Closed.
I went through the whole vetting process I was told I had to start somewhere and to get an offshore first. When the call came I said nope I’m not buying a watch I don’t like and will take a 5K hit on. Since then I’ve been ignored. Fml 🤦🏻♂️
Sounds like AP are absolute Pss takers. Made me not want to even attempt to buy one after watching this video. And the thing about “I would do the same” about AP vetting customers is a load of waffle. Someone wants to buy your product and they have the money to do it. The customer doesn’t need to kiss your ass for you to sell them it. Proof of this is the fact you can literally buy an AP on the grey market, they can’t control any of that. Total bollocks, anyway … thanks for the info 😂
Are you talking about the moral standards of same AP who did a made to order 25 limited edition perpetual calendars for Anant Ambani not necessarily because he's such an enthusiast but merely because he's rich and is having a lavish wedding!
Great video, I appreciate the effort put to create it. However I do disagree with AP (Rolex, Vacheron, Patek) policy that is full of shit, as they do not do any vetting as if they were do that there would be no more flippers, just passionate buyers that “meet” the brands image, but my educated guess is that dealers are hand and hand with their friends /family/ grey market who they allocate the watches and they split the profit. Their policy simply adds a middle men and creates/maintains this hype and is a buyers are being incredibly stupid to fall for it (I already purchased overpriced watches from grey market :) )
There are two problems with the APRO: 1. It is almost too iconic, and as a result most of the ones you see around are counterfeit. This takes away from aspirability, ownership status or watch snobbery that watch people enjoy. It is very common in any place where legitimately wealthy people or poseurs gather. 2. The watch is so popular that it will eventually go out of fashion, which will kill resale values and deeply wound the AP brand (which is too reliant on one model line). 15-20 years ago, wearing an APRO was pretty cool, especially the non Offshore versions. Now, it almost feels gauche. It’s not a watch that commands as much respect among watch people anymore. Any overly tattooed Instagram clown or his Russian girlfriend wears one now (real or fake).
Phil, you’re being very disingenuous. On one hand you’re advising people to be “kind, honest, inquisitive,polite “ when going to a Rolex or AP AD. Yet, you’re the one who fraudulently and deliberately dishonestly claimed to be a doctor when buying a Rolex from an AD !! Disgusting behaviour.
Ah bon ? Chacun son style .. ceci votre remarque témoigne justement contre vous et justifie que visu fassiez partie de cette catégorie que vous citez ..
then AP don't do a good job 😂😂 Grey market is full and the Grey market is dealers often say they get it brand new from the boutique. back door business 🎉
Hey I living in the NYC tristate area and I visited the House of AP in meat packing district. Everything you said in this video is pretty much dead on.
I been buying AP for years back when they had AD’s… The resale was always shit. Lost money on every AP I ever owned. Now they expect us to Sniff their arrogant holes and waste time for multiple visits? Let’s see just how long this model lasts… anytime I have visited the boutique in Miami when in the area the staff is so arrogant it makes me sick… They still need to sell pieces to stay in business now more than ever with more corporate boutiques to support. If I really wanted a certain model, I would just go gray instead of playing this stupid game trying to make friends. Who has the time for that shit over a watch?
No they are not hard to get at ALL, I could buy several blue dial SS APs today in Kuwait City 😊…. gray market. To be honest the only hard watches to find here on the gray market locally are RM. Wake up, APs are not rare in the UAE at all!!!!!!! Just know where to get them! The market has shifted to be a buyers market and prices have dropped significantly, gray market dealers have inventory but they need to move merch to stay in business 😊😊😊😊
AP sales associates are snakes. They will try to get you to Zelle 5k to them personally and after doing that several times and making you buy 3 watches to get one RO they can and will decide to just cut you off. It completely turned me off the brand as a whole.
I had an hour long conversation with the manager at the New York boutique back in March. It was quite interesting. There is a tiered allocation system that basically amounts to pay-to-play. New clients cannot be allocated a Royal Oak in blue or green, or any watch in blue or green, period. New clients don’t get Royal Oaks, unless they gray dials. New clients have to buy of code 11s, offshores, or ladies pieces before any consideration will be given on a royal oak. Want something in precious metal? Tough. We are “a steel company.” The manager of the flagship North boutique has no insight or visibility into her own inventory at any given time. you are assigned a sales associate whose job it is to advocate to sell you a watch to the manager on your behalf. The sales associate has thousands of interested clients. How do you suppose he or she remembers you among the thousands of clients he has? Big laughable waste of time. Buy gray.
The flagship NA boutique is in New York. Manager’s name is Natalie. My sales associate’s name was SJ. Initials are for a Chinese name. Every time I asked about a RO I was steered to a Code or an Offshore and told a Royal Oak would be “very difficult” as a first purchase. If you hear those words, BTW, walk away because they mean you’re never getting one. I finally asked to speak with the person in charge of allocating pieces, in this case, Natalie. I have no reason to make this up. I had very similar experiences with Chicago, Dallas, Las Vegas.
Never buy grey. Its a corrupt system and your feeding a bunch a virus. Just buy another watch or brand. Plenty out there snd have a non sheep personality.
Ils s'en remettront rassurez vous 😂d'ailleurs n'essayez pas aussi chez Patek c'est la même chose .. le luxe la rareté c'est ça .. essayez d'obtenir un sac Hermès pour votre femme en boutique vous comprendrez
Money Talks bullshit walks! They are not going to sell watch models that sell significantly higher on the secondary market. Support the brand and buy models that trade at or below market and they will also sell you models that trade above Msrp Period!!!!!! Everything else you watch dealers are saying is bullshit so that people buy from you Period!!!!!😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅
this is clearly a homage to the bulova, can't you see the resemblance .. I rather by a luxury watch, who would pay twice the price for a scam knockoff piece of vulgar steel .. I am on the other side, sorry loosers .. hahaha ..
AP watches are one of the few where I would tell the person to just buy a fake if they liked them. Big chunky blocky ugly watches that no one will know what it is anyway.
There's literaly no difference between buying rolex, ap or pp. Don't be the one who encourage this dumb vibe. it's always the same old trick, money talks.
Faux .. faux .. je suis client de longue date Rolex et Audemars Piguet .. l'expérience et l'exigence de AP est bien réel .. vous devez avoir de la conversation sur des sujets qui touche à l'horlogerie avoir un profil qui puisse correspondre à l'image que la maison souhaite propager .. et non ce n'est pas superficiel bien au contraire .. soyez vrai car ils sont assez intelligents pour voir les imposteurs qui ne cherchent qu'une opération financière .. Rolex vous êtes clients de longues dates vous êtes donc légitime à obtenir des pièces dans des délais plus longs mais vous n'avez plus à entretenir la relation c'est automatique .. AP non .. à chaque entretien vous êtes reçus comme un roi .. vous êtes choyé vous avez des attentions personnalisées le salon dans les AP house est à chaque fois époustouflant.. pas de place pour les menteurs .. vous seriez immédiatement débusqués . .. alors n'inventez pas que vous êtes amateurs de golfs si ce est pas le cas .. ne dites pas que vous êtes riches si vous ne l'êtes pas c'est stupide et ils détestent ça
Everyone knows AP is a one trick Pony. For their sake, I hope they develop the rest of their catalog. Tastes change. There was a time when people didn't care about integrated bracelet sports watches. Sooner or later, that time will come again, and consumers will remember who treated them well and who did not.
Au Japon il y a beaucoup d'opportunités certes mais rien ne vaut le fait d'être clients d'une maison d'un club privé comme celui de la maison Audemars Piguet .. et rien ne vaut mieux le fait de l'obtenir au prix boutique .. je cherche une Royal Oak bleue 41 de 2024 au Japon je trouve pas .. si je trouve la petite économie que j'obtiens est immédiatement effacée par le prix du séjour au Japon .. ne soyez pas bête
I bought an incredible Super Clone that is absolutely indistinguishable from the genuine. It came in the full wooden box with papers and even in the AP carrier bag. Why would you bother with this nonsense?
I visited AP 4 or 5 times over the course of two years no watch then finally after 2.5 years. I got the call for a 15510 then to approximately 11 months later I got the 26240 blue chronograph. Patience is the key and being polite.
Actually it’s the right way. On the crown it gets less scratched due to the surface what touches the table is smaller than when it’s placed on the other side. Otherwise it doesn’t make any other difference.
Great video. Just had my first appointment 2 weeks ago. My rep has been going back and forth with me on Text a bit so I have no idea if I’m someone they would consider selling a watch to, either way I’d expect it to take it a years. I’ve heard about this 4 times thing online. I’ve gone in 2x. I was able to stop in the first time and then set up an actual formal appointment for my 2nd time. Both times the rep Ive been dealing with has been really lovely. Definitely was an in depth conversation both times. During my 1st visit we just talked watches for 45 mins. My 2nd visit we really talked about the brand and what I was interested in. My preference is the 37mm date or the 38mm Chrono. Both I imagine will be almost impossible to get.
The main reason it’s impossible for me to get it is it’s an ugly overpriced piece of steel and I am uninterested 😀😀😀they would be lucky to get my money not the other way around. Respect yourself!
Aps are rubbish - they dont keep time - always need servicing - have owned 5/6 and never had one work a year without some sort or problem. 10 years ago their service was great now its terrible. Many better options TBH
I’ve found AP great to deal with and in some ways a lot less stuffy than Rolex ADs. I waited around 3 weeks for my 26240OR from AP and hoping to add to my collection of AP watches in the future. Been fortunate to pick up 4 Rolex watches over the past 14 months but definitely think AP feels more special to own
I for one am shocked a grey market dealer is making a video about how difficult it is to get watches at retail. It’s actually not bad - just got a Starbucks in a few months with no purchase history
The UK is the worst country to buy an AP. Just go overseas or buy it for a premium if you really want it. If you’re buying an AP paying more than retail shouldn’t be a problem for you unless it’s 3 times retail which is rare.
I received my first Royal Oak (stainless steel grey dial) the very first time I walked into an AP store back in June 2023, and I am not a celebrity. Indeed your probability of getting a Royal Oak depends on how much you fit with the brand’s client target, but how famous you are isn’t their main criteria.
I’m interested in an AP but I’ve not had great experiences when going for Rolex’s from ADs. I find they act quite condescending towards me as I’m only 21. I’ve had one dealer basically tell me I can’t afford it which I found was extremely rude. I assume AP will be similar but even worse
Always know that when you’re walking into a boutique you’re more successful than any of their sales associates. Be proud of your amazing achievement to be able to afford one at 21!
@@Colonel.B.Sandersyea right, the audacity of these retail sales merchants to be judging anyone who can afford a 10-20-30 grand watch is beyond obscure.
AP Rolex prices have dropped 40 percent god forbid there’s a downturn in the economy look out AP and Rolex they’ll be calling you soon enough Buyer beware!!!
Basically to ego stroke, for snobs and insecure folks Its for all luxury brands. Paying 500 for a normal hoodie with a lV or chrome logo on it still blows my mind. At least watches hold their values
But you will always know and say to yourself in the back of your mind that you're wearing a fake watch. You're an imposter, a fraud. Seeking recognition from a prestigious brand that you haven't earned the right to represent (which is why you wear a fake)
Went in a couple of times and got offered a RG code chrono right away, which was a model I was interested in anyway. Pulled the trigger on that and got offered an offshore 6 months later which I also picked up, then a full ceramic RO. Granted I had purchased a steel RO grey market first and showed my passion through keeping in touch with the SAs and being knowledgeable and polite. Have been invited to some events since then, golf etc. and met some great friends through the AP network. I can see how it seems like a drag, but like most things if you put in the effort and time it pays off .. not just with watches but you also get put in touch with a whole new network of great people :)
This is so funny, this isn't about them vetting you, their business is selling watches. It's to give the customer a false sense of value and to flip the supply/demand, very clever but don't be fooled. Ultimately if you want one at retail you have to jump through their hoops but don't think you're special when they take your money from you, ha.
It is hard enough for me to visit the AP house when I need to send my watch in for service. I lose my patience after waiting for the person in a lab coat to do the pre-service check. I will not buy from them again. I can buy my own champagne. I posit that only flippers are incentivized enough to go through this buying process. Wealthy end users do not have time for this.
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Protect the brand? I see brand new royal oaks flooding the grey market every day.... It is such a shame that real watch enthusiasts have been priced and depopularised out this experience.
Well said. I wonder the same thing. How the heck the gray market dealers get the watches.
@@sachiythfakes
Can't agree with you more
@@sachiyth Inside trading. Rich gets richer they have their ways for mutual benefits with the dealers.
@@sachiyth How? It's pretty simple. I can move watches on C24 or any other platform. Why would a Rolex AD sell to you at retail when they can sell to me at retail plus the $2,000 cash I'm going to put in his hand in the car park after? Privacy laws means the AD legally can't give Rolex my contact info.
Ta
Laughable that they have a 'vetting process' when they choose to be associated with the likes of Dave and Stormzy😄😄
What's wrong with Dave or stormzy? They are tax paying citizens of the UK that live in London near the ADs selling the watches and can afford the watches not sure why they would be excluded from an opportunity to purchase them
They’re classless roadmen
@@dean9090 unsure what that has to do with buying an audemars from the AD I see chavs buying watches all the time I didn't know social class was a requirement to spend money at a retailer
@@dean9090 what a racist
What a load of bullshit
Funny thing about this whole "vetting process" is that their target audience actually values time above everything else. "I'll send my assitant to jump through all of these fiery hoops, is that ok for you?"
Ha! Good point. Although this does of course demonstrate further how serious the potential buyer is.
Will never buy a watch with a vetting process. Can’t be asked………..
I believe you.
The waiting list is 3 years I'm sure they'll be alright without your money.
Last time I checked, this vetting process was called discrimination.
Long live the grey market, in this case, "f" the boutique experience!
So says someone who would almost certainly fall before the first hurdle was even in sight. You poor fragile little flower, you.
@@David-yd6ur It's a mindset thing, you don't get it but it's ok: I can wait for a Ulysse Nardin, A' Lange und Sohne, F.P' Journe and the likes because they take a long time to make. For a Rolex or an AP? Hell no! If you don't want my money, I'll spend it with someone who is more respectful and grateful for it.
@@galenmarek6949 As is your prerogative. I accept the way it is and I have the patience and wherewithal to get what I want.
@@galenmarek6949j'ai bien lu votre commentaire ???? Ulysse Nardin au milieu de FP Journe et L and S ???? 😂😂😂😂😂 j'ai craché mon café sur le bureau en vous lisant .... Monsieur Monsieur Monsieur cessez votre baratin ... ne tentez pas de glisser le modèle que vous devez avoir au poignet pour faire de la pub s'il vous plaît 😂😂😂😂 Ulysse Nardin 😂😂😂😂 je n'arrête pas de rire .. Ulysse Nardin c'est Hublot ... AP / PP puis derrière Rolex fin de l'histoire ce n'est ni moi ni vous qui décidez c'est le marché tel qu'il est fait depuis 50 ans
AP is the finest in entire swiss its finishing or level very hard any other brand to reach even I found Patek Philippe not as good finished as AP but I feel bad their range is very limited or no much versions
In a world where cyber security awareness is super important.. we are expected to pee away all sense of privacy for a watch
It’s not impossible. I bought an offshore diver on a walk in from Geneva 18 months ago. I then bought a ladies Royal Oak 34mm six months later and just bought a 41mm Royal Oak in April. And the lady I deal with in London is lovely.
Did you at least give the lady a BJ as a sign of respect and gratitude?
For what it's worth, I didn't feel it was overly complicated here in Texas. I went in, was polite, got a wonderful education, and then stayed in touch. I showed my AD I could clearly afford the watch and what my game plan was. He was communicative and eventually after about a year or so (stopping by 3-4 times along the way) I got the call to get my first AP Offshore. Hope to get a Royal Oak next which I think is in the cards. I love my Offshore!
Gotta had in to AP they sell you a bunch of watches you didn't really want in the hopes of buying the watch you actually want and make you think that they're doing you a favor.
I’m not sucking up to any company or person.
I bought a good as new Royal Oak second hand.
Comparing AP to Rolex is your mistake. Comparing AP to Patek Philipp vetting would be on par.
I can appreciate the time piece without being blinded by the scummy business practices...
How times have changed in 1999 I bought my first AP a Chronograph, 39mm dark gray dial, it's on my wrist now. I bought the AP from a prominent certified AP dealer in Greenwich Conn. I got a 30% discount at the time and yes it was a new watch. When AP and so many other watch brands starting opening their own boutiques they lost their dealership. The same thing happened to my Rolex dealer in NJ after she had spent $400,000.00 to modify her store to Rolex's specifications, these companies are ruthless to the point I simply don't buy anything.
Crazy how all these watch brands were giving out discounts back then, I’ve heard similar about Rolex in the early 2000s.
@@remmymartinnn7092 Here's a dirty secret: Rolex ADs still give discounts, and they did throughout the pandemic. You just have to be in with them.
This inspired me to go on-line and write them a paragraph. Let’s just say I hope the person reading it wasn’t easily offended. Let’s just say it explained why Casio watches were better in every way
can you also post it here for AP owner entertainment? :D and I hope your main point wasn't that Casio is cheaper :D
Basically the store manager was my neighbour and I got the watch one my first visit to AP
Why did the price crash by 70% in 2 years if "they are so hard to get"? Some market manipulation seems to be afoot...
Because once people have woken up they realise that they are a) ugly and (whilst that is subjective) b) they are extremely uncomfortable. There is a point c) as well - If you have a wrist the size of a fully grown man, the strap will be too small.
How much had the values climbed before the aforementioned fall?
Example "Jumbo" 15202ST: Price 2016 21,8k; 2019 43k; 2022 109k; today ~ 56k. So yeah, if you bought it before the hype you are fine.
@@meltdown6165 Thanks. It was rhetorical to make a point.
Reward !? we pay for it man - its radicullous
Please spellcheck.
It always amazes me how much beauty and precision are added to the parts of MaMaCoo 's watch 99% of people will never see.
AP has one big problem.. they increased the list prices in the last 5 years like no one. Without a real justification… same very small movements compared to the size, not much innovation and irritating + 2many „limited“ editions. Men Steel watch for starting from 25k$ is just a bad joke. 30k for the Chrono…
Prix boutique Ap RO 28.5k valeur sur second marché modèle 2024 50k ... merci
@@Peaceandlove-p2o that time is gone
I visited AP boutique in Las Vegas in Q1 2024. No appointment. They didn’t want to let me in. Eventually they did. They made it clear I’d need to develop a relationship over 7 to 10 visits over years before I’d be potentially eligible to buy a watch. Get real. I’ll never buy an AP from an AD. Bunch of snots.
But how do you build relationship without being able to buy a watch?
So go in and kiss their ass....then they will "allow" you to buy a watch? GTFOH with that BS! (the AD)
@@HenryLaw19891024you have to take the sales person out to dinner 😂
Buy a couple of Code 11.59 and a couple of offshores then maybe a plain Jane regular steel Royal Oak 41mm with white/grey/black dial.
@@HenryLaw19891024 you take them to dinner 🍲
When it comes to fine imitation watches, amzwatch delivers. I've bought from them several times, and I've never been let down.
very interesting... why on the grey market do dealers have a trade price at retail price i.e. there is no premium in this watch at all. This implies no one wants it, or supply outstrips demand.
I have the 26331OR chocolate dial & the 15400OR but I’m still waiting on a steel blue or green chronograph Royal Oak after 2 years.
Don’t know if you are aware but AP House London is moving from new bond st. to a new site with a rooftop terrace in the very near future.
How come they are selling on Amazon, if the sales are controlled
Lol you mean copies are on amazon not the real thing lol
I went to Harrods about 18 months back. All very nice and cosy. Registered for a gold Royal Oak, black face leather strap. Can’t remember the 50 odd digit model number. Heard nothing since. If I get the call, great. If I don’t, great… 😊
I went into the main one without an appointment - got offered 3 watches on the same day after been there for an hour 🤷🏻♂️
@lamedonmcborough3255 Two offshores and a code 11.59
Code 11.59 precious metal
Yeah course you did…
Were they all the shit models no one wanted to buy?
Who puts up with this bs just to get a watch
Watch Goblins.
Watch gobblers more like
Beta men
My sentiments exactly.
Stunning watches, but the luxury brand approval experience is contrived AF. It’s for people who are a little plastic in substance. I’d rather a normal transaction and buy grey market.
I love your videos keep up the great work
genuine question.... why did you place the watches crown down? (greatvideo otherwise)
When people are saying #MaMaCoo is a better option for buying a watch,I very much agree!
That’s why replica over original. You can say whatever you want but are just excuses, if I want something I should be able to have it if I pay.
So sick of sucking up to the these certain watch companies AP,Rolex,Patek
I’m spending my hard earned money and want what I want when I want it so many other great watch brands that I can actually walk in and buy a beautiful watch without having to suck up to the sales person and telling me sorry we don’t have anything but you can put your name on the list and we’ll call you when we get one in of which they rarely due. Thousands of other great brands people wake up
IWC,Cartier,Breitling,Omega, Christopher Ward, Panerai and Tag Huer and on and on. Case Closed.
Who are you? Why would they want you as a customer? People who whine aren't exactly their target market. They can sniff that out.
I went through the whole vetting process I was told I had to start somewhere and to get an offshore first. When the call came I said nope I’m not buying a watch I don’t like and will take a 5K hit on. Since then I’ve been ignored. Fml 🤦🏻♂️
Buy a used one
Sounds like AP are absolute Pss takers. Made me not want to even attempt to buy one after watching this video. And the thing about “I would do the same” about AP vetting customers is a load of waffle. Someone wants to buy your product and they have the money to do it. The customer doesn’t need to kiss your ass for you to sell them it. Proof of this is the fact you can literally buy an AP on the grey market, they can’t control any of that. Total bollocks, anyway … thanks for the info 😂
Are you talking about the moral standards of same AP who did a made to order 25 limited edition perpetual calendars for Anant Ambani not necessarily because he's such an enthusiast but merely because he's rich and is having a lavish wedding!
Screening my ass I got my AP while wearing crocs and in the same time. they flooded the market with royal oaks
Great video, I appreciate the effort put to create it. However I do disagree with AP (Rolex, Vacheron, Patek) policy that is full of shit, as they do not do any vetting as if they were do that there would be no more flippers, just passionate buyers that “meet” the brands image, but my educated guess is that dealers are hand and hand with their friends /family/ grey market who they allocate the watches and they split the profit. Their policy simply adds a middle men and creates/maintains this hype and is a buyers are being incredibly stupid to fall for it (I already purchased overpriced watches from grey market :) )
Oaks not oak's, there is no apostrophe in the plural of oak.
There are two problems with the APRO: 1. It is almost too iconic, and as a result most of the ones you see around are counterfeit. This takes away from aspirability, ownership status or watch snobbery that watch people enjoy. It is very common in any place where legitimately wealthy people or poseurs gather.
2. The watch is so popular that it will eventually go out of fashion, which will kill resale values and deeply wound the AP brand (which is too reliant on one model line).
15-20 years ago, wearing an APRO was pretty cool, especially the non Offshore versions. Now, it almost feels gauche. It’s not a watch that commands as much respect among watch people anymore. Any overly tattooed Instagram clown or his Russian girlfriend wears one now (real or fake).
Buy pagani homage watch instead. Looks as good and costs 99.99% less.
Not worth the hassle at all. Not a big fan of the overhyped AP. Clasp construction is not the best imo and no micro adjustments in the bracelet.. 🥴
Phil, you’re being very disingenuous. On one hand you’re advising people to be “kind, honest, inquisitive,polite “ when going to a Rolex or AP AD. Yet, you’re the one who fraudulently and deliberately dishonestly claimed to be a doctor when buying a Rolex from an AD !! Disgusting behaviour.
No, it's not. You gotta do what you gotta do. If ADs are playing dirty tell them whatever you have to
And yet they sell the watches to very unelegant and unclassy people. Even vulgar.
Ah bon ? Chacun son style .. ceci votre remarque témoigne justement contre vous et justifie que visu fassiez partie de cette catégorie que vous citez ..
So, AP will judge a book by its cover and will not sell you a watch if you don’t fit their image of an ideal owner.
F this. I’m buying secondary market when the time comes.
then AP don't do a good job 😂😂 Grey market is full and the Grey market is dealers often say they get it brand new from the boutique. back door business 🎉
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I living in the NYC tristate area and I visited the House of AP in meat packing district. Everything you said in this video is pretty much dead on.
Just go grey. Don’t waste your time and money on boutique
Dont support the corruption. Better buy another brand
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I been buying AP for years back when they had AD’s… The resale was always shit. Lost money on every AP I ever owned. Now they expect us to Sniff their arrogant holes and waste time for multiple visits? Let’s see just how long this model lasts… anytime I have visited the boutique in Miami when in the area the staff is so arrogant it makes me sick… They still need to sell pieces to stay in business now more than ever with more corporate boutiques to support. If I really wanted a certain model, I would just go gray instead of playing this stupid game trying to make friends. Who has the time for that shit over a watch?
This is F up. it’s like a bloody annoying job application but you will be paying them for a piece of metal with gears inside.
No they are not hard to get at ALL, I could buy several blue dial SS APs today in Kuwait City 😊…. gray market. To be honest the only hard watches to find here on the gray market locally are RM.
Wake up, APs are not rare in the UAE at all!!!!!!! Just know where to get them! The market has shifted to be a buyers market and prices have dropped significantly, gray market dealers have inventory but they need to move merch to stay in business 😊😊😊😊
he is not talking about gray market .. . . . .
So why do so many z list celebs own one? Chavvy footballers, rappers….not doing a very good job of vetting in my opinion.
AP sales associates are snakes. They will try to get you to Zelle 5k to them personally and after doing that several times and making you buy 3 watches to get one RO they can and will decide to just cut you off. It completely turned me off the brand as a whole.
That was quiet informative, wouldnt mind one of these.
I had an hour long conversation with the manager at the New York boutique back in March. It was quite interesting. There is a tiered allocation system that basically amounts to pay-to-play. New clients cannot be allocated a Royal Oak in blue or green, or any watch in blue or green, period. New clients don’t get Royal Oaks, unless they gray dials. New clients have to buy of code 11s, offshores, or ladies pieces before any consideration will be given on a royal oak. Want something in precious metal? Tough. We are “a steel company.” The manager of the flagship North boutique has no insight or visibility into her own inventory at any given time. you are assigned a sales associate whose job it is to advocate to sell you a watch to the manager on your behalf. The sales associate has thousands of interested clients. How do you suppose he or she remembers you among the thousands of clients he has? Big laughable waste of time. Buy gray.
This is totally incorrect. The manager was either lying to you or you made this up lol
The flagship NA boutique is in New York. Manager’s name is Natalie. My sales associate’s name was SJ. Initials are for a Chinese name. Every time I asked about a RO I was steered to a Code or an Offshore and told a Royal Oak would be “very difficult” as a first purchase. If you hear those words, BTW, walk away because they mean you’re never getting one. I finally asked to speak with the person in charge of allocating pieces, in this case, Natalie. I have no reason to make this up. I had very similar experiences with Chicago, Dallas, Las Vegas.
Never buy grey. Its a corrupt system and your feeding a bunch a virus.
Just buy another watch or brand. Plenty out there snd have a non sheep personality.
Getting vetted to buy a watch? What a complete joke. No thank you very much AP🖕
Ils s'en remettront rassurez vous 😂d'ailleurs n'essayez pas aussi chez Patek c'est la même chose .. le luxe la rareté c'est ça .. essayez d'obtenir un sac Hermès pour votre femme en boutique vous comprendrez
Buy something else,vacheron etc then order the a.p. from china for $400
Money Talks bullshit walks! They are not going to sell watch models that sell significantly higher on the secondary market. Support the brand and buy models that trade at or below market and they will also sell you models that trade above Msrp Period!!!!!! Everything else you watch dealers are saying is bullshit so that people buy from you Period!!!!!😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅
this is clearly a homage to the bulova, can't you see the resemblance .. I rather by a luxury watch, who would pay twice the price for a scam knockoff piece of vulgar steel .. I am on the other side, sorry loosers .. hahaha ..
AP watches are one of the few where I would tell the person to just buy a fake if they liked them.
Big chunky blocky ugly watches that no one will know what it is anyway.
Replicas do not differ much. You enjoy the asme stuff but without absurdly high markups and all the humiliaton they put you through.
There's literaly no difference between buying rolex, ap or pp. Don't be the one who encourage this dumb vibe. it's always the same old trick, money talks.
Faux .. faux .. je suis client de longue date Rolex et Audemars Piguet .. l'expérience et l'exigence de AP est bien réel .. vous devez avoir de la conversation sur des sujets qui touche à l'horlogerie avoir un profil qui puisse correspondre à l'image que la maison souhaite propager .. et non ce n'est pas superficiel bien au contraire .. soyez vrai car ils sont assez intelligents pour voir les imposteurs qui ne cherchent qu'une opération financière .. Rolex vous êtes clients de longues dates vous êtes donc légitime à obtenir des pièces dans des délais plus longs mais vous n'avez plus à entretenir la relation c'est automatique .. AP non .. à chaque entretien vous êtes reçus comme un roi .. vous êtes choyé vous avez des attentions personnalisées le salon dans les AP house est à chaque fois époustouflant.. pas de place pour les menteurs .. vous seriez immédiatement débusqués . .. alors n'inventez pas que vous êtes amateurs de golfs si ce est pas le cas .. ne dites pas que vous êtes riches si vous ne l'êtes pas c'est stupide et ils détestent ça
Everyone knows AP is a one trick Pony. For their sake, I hope they develop the rest of their catalog. Tastes change. There was a time when people didn't care about integrated bracelet sports watches. Sooner or later, that time will come again, and consumers will remember who treated them well and who did not.
Her AP 🖕🏽🖕🏽🖕🏽🖕🏽that exactly what I 🤔 💭 🤔 💭 about your process and the same to rolex. I'll alwaysss go grey market
Go to Japan. A billion pieces all over. Stop creating hype.
Au Japon il y a beaucoup d'opportunités certes mais rien ne vaut le fait d'être clients d'une maison d'un club privé comme celui de la maison Audemars Piguet .. et rien ne vaut mieux le fait de l'obtenir au prix boutique .. je cherche une Royal Oak bleue 41 de 2024 au Japon je trouve pas .. si je trouve la petite économie que j'obtiens est immédiatement effacée par le prix du séjour au Japon .. ne soyez pas bête
Junk system for junk watches
You know you want one from AD, but you can’t lol
@@BienJ99 cry more clown
Wrong outfit and appearence
Absolute BS process
Sky-Dweller dont come in steel bro
Yes it does “bro”
I bought an incredible Super Clone that is absolutely indistinguishable from the genuine. It came in the full wooden box with papers and even in the AP carrier bag. Why would you bother with this nonsense?
I visited AP 4 or 5 times over the course of two years no watch then finally after 2.5 years. I got the call for a 15510 then to approximately 11 months later I got the 26240 blue chronograph. Patience is the key and being polite.
Sounds like a drag
Neo, you are a slave.
this is just stupid when you can buy watch immediately other ways...
@@jindrichk5432for a premium 😢
@@jindrichk5432 Depends how much you value the buying experience.
I walked in AP AD, in Atlanta in Lenox. No need for appointment. Was a pleasant experience. Tried a few on.
2 years after the bubble top and some Brands didn't learn a damn thing
It hurts seeing the watches been place crown down. My watchmaker told me it’s fault no 1
Can you elaborate why it's bad?
Actually it’s the right way. On the crown it gets less scratched due to the surface what touches the table is smaller than when it’s placed on the other side. Otherwise it doesn’t make any other difference.
With a rolexits doesnt matter. They arent fragile.
These watches can survive being dropped they're not fragile.
Great video. Just had my first appointment 2 weeks ago. My rep has been going back and forth with me on Text a bit so I have no idea if I’m someone they would consider selling a watch to, either way I’d expect it to take it a years. I’ve heard about this 4 times thing online. I’ve gone in 2x. I was able to stop in the first time and then set up an actual formal appointment for my 2nd time. Both times the rep Ive been dealing with has been really lovely. Definitely was an in depth conversation both times. During my 1st visit we just talked watches for 45 mins. My 2nd visit we really talked about the brand and what I was interested in. My preference is the 37mm date or the 38mm Chrono. Both I imagine will be almost impossible to get.
Did you get a watch? Did you have to offer to give the sales rep a BJ?
The main reason it’s impossible for me to get it is it’s an ugly overpriced piece of steel and I am uninterested 😀😀😀they would be lucky to get my money not the other way around. Respect yourself!
The vetting process seems like some serious police work. Such a lovely way to start a relationship.
Deserve? Deserve ain't got nothin to do with it.
Aps are rubbish - they dont keep time -
always need servicing - have owned 5/6 and never had one work a year without some
sort or problem. 10 years ago their service was great now its terrible. Many better options TBH
I’ve found AP great to deal with and in some ways a lot less stuffy than Rolex ADs. I waited around 3 weeks for my 26240OR from AP and hoping to add to my collection of AP watches in the future. Been fortunate to pick up 4 Rolex watches over the past 14 months but definitely think AP feels more special to own
The watch Market is dead, gray market dealers are scrambling in the states to off load watches. It’s getting bad here.
Can Drugdealers pass background check easily?
Yes. Jayz got one
I for one am shocked a grey market dealer is making a video about how difficult it is to get watches at retail. It’s actually not bad - just got a Starbucks in a few months with no purchase history
wut
@@roybatty6368 what are you not understanding here. Pretty simple concept 😂
Starbucks isn't a highly sought after watch
@@josephbarone239 ya, it only trades for $5k over retail. Moron
@@josephbarone239 lol now I know you’re trolling
You have to buy a bunch of code and ladies watches
The UK is the worst country to buy an AP. Just go overseas or buy it for a premium if you really want it.
If you’re buying an AP paying more than retail shouldn’t be a problem for you unless it’s 3 times retail which is rare.
I received my first Royal Oak (stainless steel grey dial) the very first time I walked into an AP store back in June 2023, and I am not a celebrity.
Indeed your probability of getting a Royal Oak depends on how much you fit with the brand’s client target, but how famous you are isn’t their main criteria.
same here. got mine in 2022 black dial royal oak.
I’m interested in an AP but I’ve not had great experiences when going for Rolex’s from ADs. I find they act quite condescending towards me as I’m only 21. I’ve had one dealer basically tell me I can’t afford it which I found was extremely rude. I assume AP will be similar but even worse
Always know that when you’re walking into a boutique you’re more successful than any of their sales associates. Be proud of your amazing achievement to be able to afford one at 21!
@@Colonel.B.Sanders I appreciate that.
@@Colonel.B.Sandersyea right, the audacity of these retail sales merchants to be judging anyone who can afford a 10-20-30 grand watch is beyond obscure.
Maybe we should offer free bj during enquiry.
AP Rolex prices have dropped 40 percent god forbid there’s a downturn in the economy look out AP and Rolex they’ll be calling you soon enough
Buyer beware!!!
A perfect example of managed scarcity as a marketing technique. I'm amazed anyone falls for this to be honest.
Basically to ego stroke, for snobs and insecure folks
Its for all luxury brands. Paying 500 for a normal hoodie with a lV or chrome logo on it still blows my mind. At least watches hold their values
You should create your own brand, build hype, and have them available for everyone. Great idea!
You mean, 'Oaks', not, 'Oak's'. 🙄
My super clone looks identical and is a fraction of the cost lol
But you will always know and say to yourself in the back of your mind that you're wearing a fake watch. You're an imposter, a fraud. Seeking recognition from a prestigious brand that you haven't earned the right to represent (which is why you wear a fake)
Give you
Went in a couple of times and got offered a RG code chrono right away, which was a model I was interested in anyway. Pulled the trigger on that and got offered an offshore 6 months later which I also picked up, then a full ceramic RO. Granted I had purchased a steel RO grey market first and showed my passion through keeping in touch with the SAs and being knowledgeable and polite. Have been invited to some events since then, golf etc. and met some great friends through the AP network. I can see how it seems like a drag, but like most things if you put in the effort and time it pays off .. not just with watches but you also get put in touch with a whole new network of great people :)
Did you at least give the manager a BJ as a sign of respect and gratitude?
AP should be boycotted
Love AP, their watches are so beautiful
I also like amzwatch replicas. People who don’t wear them like professionals can’t tell the difference. Their workmanship is really great luxuriatey
This is so funny, this isn't about them vetting you, their business is selling watches. It's to give the customer a false sense of value and to flip the supply/demand, very clever but don't be fooled. Ultimately if you want one at retail you have to jump through their hoops but don't think you're special when they take your money from you, ha.
It is hard enough for me to visit the AP house when I need to send my watch in for service. I lose my patience after waiting for the person in a lab coat to do the pre-service check. I will not buy from them again. I can buy my own champagne. I posit that only flippers are incentivized enough to go through this buying process. Wealthy end users do not have time for this.