Can I Fix "My Mate Vince" Watch??
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Hello and welcome to another video. Can I fix "My Mate Vince" watch?? So who is my mate Vince? Vince has a large RUclips channel where he attempts to fix just about anything! they are very entertaining to watch his frustration and elation all in one go. He is in the middle of a challenge with some other similar channels to his where each week they have to buy something from eBay in a particular genre and try to fix & sell for profit. This week its mechanical week. Vince decided to try a Seiko 6309 after watching my videos.! you can see his attempt at getting this one going here: • 2019 eBay Repair Chall...
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at 21.37 it looks like oil in the jewel for the pallet fork but could be a trick of the light.
It would explain why the fork was stuck to the pallet bridge.
Contact me via steel block please 👍
Loved this video Mike, so glad you got it working. For me this watch very nearly brought me to tears of frustration so I am so happy it is working properly now. It is so hard to fault find (without the proper equipment) when it works so inconsistently. You think you have it working only to be let down again an hour later. The strap really suits it as well, looks so much better. Thanks for tackling this and the kind words in the video. I am sure you could have been a lot harsher lol :-) Take care mate. Vince :-)
My Mate VINCE thanks Vince funny now all this panned out really. Would have been so much more rewarding for you to have got it going so that’s the sad part.
At least you know the problem and if it was there from the beginning there was nothing you could have done about it.
This is why I have donors. Most are failed fixes !
@@MyRetroWatches Very true Mike. I watched back some of my camera footage and the kink in the hairspring doesn't appear to be there. I think with all the fault finding I probably ended up doing the kink by pulling it in and out consistently. Perhaps though the fact it wasn't lying flat might have been the original fault. We both put plenty of hours into it so it is good to see it tick solidly again. Good job :-)
My Mate VINCE it was a good collab and my first too. Thanks
Awesome collaboration Mike and Vince! You guys make RUclips great!
Love ya Mate your the best
After watching yours and Vince's video i realised i never want to open a watch
mattymatt2323 haha they are like Marmite . You either love it or hate it. Thanks for watching .
Wow, really good video. You explained everything really well. I learned so much just from this one video. I've been intrigued by watches for a long time and with a channel like yours I feel more confident trying to fix them. I came from Vince's channel and I'm glad I did! Nice work and great channel!
Hello! thanks for tuning in. After Vince mentioned your channel I have become a big fan also! I hope you find my videos useful. Nice to see you here and thanks for leaving a comment.
I love your marathon fixes of eBay lots of consoles and controllers. I find the repetition of looking at faults between multiple identical systems, to be extremely helpful in focusing on common problems and solutions. Also, it was the challenge between you and Vince that was a lot of fun.
Hello Mike. Mike d here. Stateside. Following your advice and watch repaired techniques I just fix my first date change problem in an old Bradley Diver Mickey watch. A simple alignment of the spring that activates the date wheel but to find it WHEWW. but I did find it and now the date is operating as designed thanks to your work and advise for us guys and gals in the hobby. I took a couple of breaks had a smoke and that spring lined up and stayed in place. Also if you remember a month or so ago I was asking why my time o graph didn't pick up the best ir ticking on my 40s Ingersoll Mickey's and 30d ingraham watches. I my have an answer the time I graph machine just like yours can't pick up a balance tick that is less then 4 times a second. The balance wheel had to turn at least 4btimedva second to pick up a ticking. I get a partial snow reading then the machine simply starts the cycle all over again. I guess the 40s andb39s watch balance spin only 3 times a second. LOL. Anyway Mike Thanks and jeeps those watch restore videos coming.
Awesome videos!! The reason for watches not running properly when you mess with the hairspring is that the jewel on the bottom of the balance wheel is no longer aligned with the pallet fork properly. When you fit the ballance the stone needs to be alighned to the center of the pallet bridge where the pallet fork moves from side to side (I usually take the pallet fork out and try to align the stone when the balance wheel is in rest). You need to be really careful when messing with those so you do not mess up the alignment, even a slight misalignment can cause serious issues.
Keep up the good work and the great videos!!
Thanks, I know the procedure to hairspring placement but just cant get it right along with hairpspring work, trying to correct kinks etc. I have more fails than success in that department . Thanks for watching.
Yess I watched My Mate Vinces Channel and was hoping that wasn’t the end of that Seiko.
Baconator Doom thanks for tuning in to this repair. I never generally give up on a seiko !
As I said on Vince's channel I greatly admire the patience with stuff like this, I like fixing stuff myself but all those tiny parts would drive me to distraction, and I would be inclined to 'fix' it with a hammer after a while ;) Still after watching a few of these videos I am gaining an insight into the level of engineering that goes into these things, the fact they can mass-produce something as complex as this and for it to work at all, much less for most of them to be reliable over many decades is amazing, and I can well understand the interest in servicing and repairing them. Thanks for keeping me entertained for an hour :)
Thanks for watching and commenting. I am always amazed by the engineering in these however you want to look at the original Bulova Accutron watches. one of the first electronic watchs. timing is done by a tuning fork that vibrates, the watch actually hums. there is the main index wheel which is 2.4mm in diameter yet has 320 teeth cut into it. this produces the smoothest mechanical tick you will ever see and all this back in the early 60s. to put in perspective, Vinces watch beats at 5 beats per second to give it that smooth tick look. an Accuton will beat at 320 beats per second! astonishing.
Imagine what a thrill for me to unexpectedly see my two most favorite watch guys on Utube collaborating on a watch repair. Great fun and learning experience.
Yes! I have seen his video on repairing an Omega watch which was very good! Glad you both are in touch! Enjoy it when RUclipsrs help each other out! I saw another hair or filament at 34:35! Glad issue was resolved! Appreciate the hairspring tips!
Andy B I still can’t see the hair😂😂 at least this was before cleaning! Thanks for watching . This was my first collab and I enjoyed the crossover
Love this video and am now avidly watching a load of your others after subscribing. I find the tear downs where you show the issues and crusty oil under the microscope particularly fascinating. Please keep doing videos like that if you get time - even if just short bits as you repair and service things. Seeing the intricate details under your scope is really captivating.
Thank you Mike. appreciate you commenting. yes even I like the scope video parts as it really brings into life the inner workings.
I wish I had the patience and temperament to do something like that. Find your videos fascinating to watch.
There is just something so soothing about watching someone fix things.
I agree its less frustrating watching someone else.. Glad you enjoyed the video.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video, Sherlock Holmes would be proud. This channel has been a real influence in motivating me to attempt watch repair myself. I have actually started pricing and buying some tools, which your videos also have been helpful. Please continue these entertaining and informative gems!
danny cosby thank you for such a nice comment . The whole purpose I do the videos it to inspire more into the hobby . RUclips ad revenue for a tiny channel like this is laughable .
More videos on the way , need to complete the giveaway so I can bring all the other content
So glad this came up in my recommended. It was great to see Vince's watch get fixed and what the problem was.
Thanks for watching.
Never watched a watch fixing video before....why is it so interesting
haha. they are miniature machines and thats what makes them so fascinating.
Hi I came from My Mate Vince, so glad to see this watch running again as it should. I think Vince did an extremely good job on it but it just didn't go in his favour which is a shame.
Thanks for coming across to watch. Vince did do a good job but was just unfortunate. If the balance was not damaged it would have ran well enough for him to wear it.
Always an amazing journey. Its like a cliffhanger and leaves me wanting more!
Between this and Vince's video I've watched more watch-repair videos in the last few hours than I have in the last 10 years than I care to admit. Lol.
slammedniss as long as you found them enjoyable?! Watches are a complete roller coaster of repairs . They can appear to work after a fix only to find they are running like a bag of cats
@@MyRetroWatches I actually did enjoy both videos. Cant say its something I would want to watch regularly, but it was definitely interesting seeing just how amazing these miniature machines are built.
I've had similar issues on the timegrapher where the beat error show 9.9ms but the trace on the screen is good - it is caused by the screen not being big enough to show the full error so it rolls over a screen, i.e. the pixel moves off the top of the screen & comes up from the bottom. I generally move the stud back to it's extreme position & slowly move it till the beat error is nearly zero.
Keep up the good work you are an inspiration to all us hobbyists. :)
Hairy Scotsman this is an interesting theory and you could well be right. Oddly though it would at times show two very close lines but then I think it just can’t graph what it’s hearing .
Hairy Scotsman thanks for watching BTW
Subbed =D Just watching now! Love Vinces channel and it led me here!
Thanks for watching an subscribing! I appreciate this.
The Nutcracker Waltz of Flowers good choice of music as you cracked this nut. Sorry I could not resist.
Andrea Stevenson haha this was also an in joke to Vince as he always uses classical music on his fast forward parts.
Hello Mike and yes l know who My Mate Vince is and I watch a lot of his videos just like I watch a lot of you're videos and as always I find both your videos and My Mate Vince's videos both educational and lnformational and my you both keep up the really good work!!!
Richard Hudson thank you so much for your.l comment , it’s good to know you the viewer find these types of video enjoyable. I generally cringe on my own playback!
@@MyRetroWatches you're very welcome and you should never cringe at your videos because they are really good,!!!
Came here from Vince and I highly enjoyed it! You have my sub for sure, this was really interesting. You have a great way of explaining everything!
Thank you for commenting and subscribing patrick. its nice to hear you enjoyed this video
This watch was responsible for these two channels to represent RUclips at its ... BEST. Thanks for the GREAT CONTENT guys.
R.P. Rosen what a nice comment. Thanks . I am glad you enjoyed this video.
Nice detective work Mike. Always happy to see a new video from you..
Dale Yurk thank you Dale pleased you like the content
I have been hopelessly searching for this watch, that I saw a couple of years back by chance on the internet. And now seeing it here, I feel excited :). Found a couple of good samples but unfortunately all sold out. Great design.
amazing video, thanks for sharing your passion
Socrates Thank you!
Love your video, been workin on watches for 10+ years and professionally for 5 of those years. I’m a big seiko, and bulova accutrons. I’ve currently fixed three accutron (1-214 & 2-218)of the four I own, the 4th Is a 219 with a bad coil. Also, I bought the accutron test station, and hope to buy more and fix them up.
Good luck! amazing you turned your hobby into a career. Id love that!
This video was a ton of fun to watch after seeing Vince work on the watch. Thanks and I'm glad you got it working! You get a big thumbs up and a subscribe from me.
Thanks for tuning in.
Never seen a Seiko before. Your hard work is fruitful. Thanks for nice background Music. Was it Vieana woods? 👍👍
Good fix for old rubber like that crystal gasket. Drop it in some boiling water for 20 seconds, remove and drop in cold water. Repeat the process 4 or 5 times. The initial shock off the hot water realigns the rubber molecules and the sudden cold quickly shrinks them so the rubber becomes tighter and shrinks back slightly making a tighter seal.
Old trick i use on Motorcycle Carb seals and rubber gaskets, especially ones that attach the carbs to the engine intakes. Works on all rubber seals.
Thats a good looking watch. Glad you got it running.
Bj Cundiff thank you.
I love Seiko watches. Oldest one I have is from my grandfather, a 1977 5020 with 6309 movement, still runs like new. Sadly it has some wear and scratches, maybe one day I will get it restored.
WOW!within 10 minute,you have assembled the parts of the movement.Great!A record break!Congts.to you.
Came over from “My mate Vince” page, wonderful to see you get the watch going.. subbed!
Thank you for watching, there seems to be a lot that have come over from Vince which I am pleased about as I love his channel . Cheers for the sub too.
Great vid yet again MB! and as usual your persistence and perseverance gets the result!
Vince is lucky! :-) Very nice inspecting job!
thanks mike ....for your ref to my mate vince.....subscribed to his channel too.....
So glad I found you through Vince! Very relaxing yet educational video.
Welcome to the channel and thank you for watching.
@@MyRetroWatches ok, it took me waaaay too long to get that. If the pun was intentional. Lol
Really interesting watching the follow up from previous attempt, thanks. I love the look of that watch.
Great lesson for me, thank you. I would like to ask what the Mobius 8000 yellow is suitable for.
I didn't pay attention to the lessons,.
thank you again
"Just like clockwork"
Literally, indeed
Rui Kazane haha nice play on words. Thanks for watching
Brilliant troubleshooting, loved to watch this video.
Alberto dos Santos thanks so much .. I am still taking your advise and trying to improve the viewable content and sound . Slow progression has been made I think
@@MyRetroWatches Actually not so slow, you've already improved some of the aspects we've discussed.
You're doing great.
that's some of the best close up watch photography I have ever seen......excellent.
thanks. I think the microscope shots really add to the videos.
@@MyRetroWatches definitely!!👍
Patience is a virtue. Congrats
my mate mike
fred ackley haha catchy
Great job mate! Way to hang in there
Great video. Very interesting and informative to se the fault finding.
Ole Johan Pålsrud thanks Ole sir!
Cool, not only did Mr Lovick do a Vostok service, there's a second bite at a MMV watch and I watch these videos religiously and watch both the long and the quick versions and I have loved every vid of yours to date hehe Now if I was posh enough to own an actual working Seiko, still I enjoy them all and Sekonda does sound a bit like Seiko if you squint your ears and mumble over the syllables a bit. Vostok is a bit more difficult to sound posh but there is my niche I was looking for :) Today's wearer is my Oskar-Emil Houston, I just can't get enough of the steel on steel industrial look and feel but its evening now so going to put on a Vostok, think my 1983 Amphibia is the one tonite :D
Ian Watson thanks for watching this video. Nothing wrong with the Russian watches , might have one coming to the channel in the not to distant future myself 😉
Seiko is hardly a posh watch my friend, most of their watches are WELL in the entry level price range
@@dwaynetherock-hardjohnson5676 If I was working then I would agree but unless I aim at one of them Calcutta "franken" watches then a decent Seiko is an indulgence my disability cannot afford lol I have been super lucky with some really amazing and rare Vostok's for cheap prices and do have a sizeable little collection of Sekonda's plus a couple nice Chinesium automatic watches which all satisfy my "shiny" :)
Ian Watson I understand, watches tend to be an expense no matter the point of entry, that I know well lol
I'm pretty good with electronic stuff but the thought of trying to fix something as small and complicated I think Vince is brave even attempting it.
I think he'll eventually get one though he seems persistent.
Thanks, I also think that Vince will get there. He certainly has determination.
Love to see vince’s watch rescued and your kind words about him. Great job, great Channel.
Etienne van haren thank you for coming over to watch the fix. As Vince has limited kit and not a lot of experience I think he did well. If the balance was not bent it would have ran well for him so it’s a shame his beginners luck ran out .
Nice work sir
Dinesh Jain thank you
Thank you for sharing this, great stuff love your channel, best wishes from Australia 🇦🇺
Great video Michael, very annoying when everything appears OK??. You got to the problem!, well done. Wish I could build in 10.00 min s!!!!!!!!.. Adrian. 👍
The RUclips algorithm brought me here. I watched Vince's video and now I'm here. This is getting really meta.
Thank you for watching. Yes this is quickly becoming one of my top ever videos due to Vince and the algorithm. I never thoght it would get so much attention.
I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed this video. Absolutely fascinating
MarkandGemma Bennett I’m really happy to read you enjoyed this. Thank you for watching
After watching Vince's video he did mention that the watch was a bit fast. Most of the times, and I could be wrong, that is due to an issue with the balance. The kink essentially made the pendulum shorter and therefore faster.
probably not one of your typically comment but you gunna sell it? XD im not sure what it is bout this watch but it really caught my eye over on Vinces channel and now that it's officially working i sorta want to buy it
Watching these videos makes me realise the people who sold these watches in the first place are the smartest of them all
Nice work, as always! The original hairspring was toast for sure.
Thank you so much Adrian from you especially! I do hold you in very high regard.
Watched this because of Vince. I'm somewhat interested in watch repair. Glad to see a definitive fault with Vince's watch. One of these days I'll drive in and try ruining my first watch.
Thank you for coming across from Vinces channel. Glad you enjoyed the video
LOL - 10 minutes! i have spent a whole Saturday and still had to walk away from an unfinished watch in frustration. The more I watch your videos the more I realise how far I have to go. I'll Just have to keep practicing !
it is all about practice and tweezer control. It worth buying a good set of tweezers. Dumont is about the best out there. I use one set I think 00 size which were £25.00 which seems a lot but I now cant really use anything else.
Came through Vince's video as I was interested in the 6309 repair/service as I have a 6309-729A f1 needing some love as it just stopped . Needing to find someone as skilled as you that would repair it for me. Do you take on repairs /servicing?
Contact me on michael@myretrowatches.com
give this guy a like he deserves it he put a tonne of effort in this watch
clive lambert thanks , I think Vince spent more time in all honesty. Cheers for tuning in to watch it
@@MyRetroWatches maybe so but not many people understand how long it takes to take apart a watch find the fault etc i enjoyed your videos i liked your camera angles and how you show everything your doing to perfection keep it up
clive lambert thank you so much . Nice the camera angles are appreciated
Hi again Mike. Now if they had a you tube on things to break I would be number 1.
Hi Mike, I had the same problem with the same movement a week ago I was pulling my hair out and banging my head against the walls, every thing looked in a very good shape but the stupid thing wouldn't run properly I tried every thing and in the end I just changed the balance jewels and it worked perfectly, I am wearing the watch right now actually it has been running great.
ammar dalati yep that’s fault finding for you! I always look at jewels . Dirty or over oiled on the diashock tend to leave all kinds of odd readings
Top work Mike. Good fault finding. I learned something here. Thanks.
Supercruze thanks pal . Appreciate you watching.
Wow I must be getting good at some of this as I said on Vince's comments the hairspring looked a bit dickywampus to my untrained amateur eye, it was Mr V that got me interested in watch repairs with his excellent Omega and Tudor vids and his little foray into dial decoration which I thought looked ace but he didn't like it sadly.
Ian Watson I did read your comment on his channel. One or two were on the mark others way off . It can be all speculation as these issues can be just about anything .
To see this hairspring not being flat you have to remove it all off the bridge which is fine work to do as they are delicate. To see insitu is practically impossible.
Vince’s rubbing out of the logo on the Omega was “interesting “.... I do genuinely like the guy and his channel. Interesting concept to try to fix almost anything
What a great video! I have a mild seiko collection. Video was quite enjoyable to watch. My oldest is a 7t32-7g20 seiko. One of my favorites next to the seiko "monster"
Hello sir. thanks for watching. I am slightly addicted to Seiko as you can probably tell. Monsters are very popular indeed.
@@MyRetroWatches your video made me go through my collection and clean them up. Finding out my mid 2000s elysse is pretty hard to find as well
Came from Vinces channel and decided to like and subscribe.
Thank you. Vince has sent many of you over which I am very grateful for
Great video Michael!
Thank you... I truly learned a lot from your very thorough analysis!
I found My Retro Watches, via RUclips suggestions, and of course rebuilding a couple of Russian watches, set me as a subscriber. Coincidentally I am a subscriber of My Mate VINCE, whom I came to via TronicsFix. You are all good guys with an eye for discovery. I wish you all to be the best and I hope to follow in your footsteps. Not as a RUclipsr, but just being able to fix things, and not be afraid of troubleshooting. Sometimes the best solution is to just take a look at what's going on.
Thank you for your subcription, yes Vince and Steve are great guys.
That was AMAZING!!! I love teamwork!!!!
in addition this balance would be a very good canidaite for a poise and true and maybe save the balance.
27:00 is a pretty risky move. If you fail to get the pallet out of the way once that escape wheel starts spinning at that speed, you could destroy the whole escapement if they manage to touch. At 43:30 what you are seeing is not two close parallel lines, rather the gap is so wide, it's between the top row of dots and the bottom row above it - most of the screen distance.
Thanks for your comment , granted the escape could go in and do damage, I would normally let the mainsping down as part of good practice. As for the lines on the TG agreed but when you look at them you can clearly see two lines close together as a trace and thats what I found perplexing 9.9 is the maximum scale the machine can display so clearly something is a miss but when you can see two lines close by to my amatuer eyes that should not be observed and leads to the conundrum you know there is something majorly wrong but the graph is telling me otherwise. I have learnt something doing this watch. I am only 2.1/2 years into this hobby afterall. Thanks for watching and offering your advice it's always good to hear from people who can advise.
@@MyRetroWatches On the timegrapher, the lines really aren't close though... They're so far apart that the top line of the trace is the bottom line near the top of the screen, and the bottom line of the trace is the top line near the bottom of the screen. They're so far apart that they've "wrapped around" and appear to be running parallel, when actually the two parallel lines are from different beats. This model of TG behaves that way when the beat error is over 10ms because that's the maximum distance it can plot. When I get in that situation, I will let almost all the power out of the barrel to where the watch will barely beat. Observing the balance either by eye or with a slo-mo camera recording, I will observe how lopsided the beat is. When there is no power in the watch, the balance should come to rest with the impulse jewel inside the pallet fork. I then adjust the hairspring collet so that when the balance is at rest it is basically pointing the impulse jewel directly down the middle of the banking pins. That will get the beat close enough for the TG to read.
hugeshows thank you so much Hugh. That is particularly helpful . So far hair spring work is in its infancy with me. More failures that successes
@@MyRetroWatches You're welcome. I should also mention that with this model of TG that even if the beat error less than 9.9ms, but it's still high, say 8-9ms, the same thing can happen. Think of it like like vertical hold on an old CRT television. When the watch is running +/- 0, then the vertical hold is perfect and the image doesn't scroll. But almost any watch has some drift, so the lines on the TG tend to scroll a bit, as you're used to seeing. But when the beat error is so large that the distance between the two lines is quite great, often as the TG scrolls, the top tick will wrap around to the bottom, or vise-versa, giving the appearance of two close parallel lines. What has actually happened is that the gap between the beats has wrapped around the screen. Hope that makes sense. Subscribed!
Great fun video. thanks
Subbed and liked before watching. I love fix it videos. I am from Nigeria and have been into fixing stuff from my childhood. The community here is not exciting as it is over there.
Welcome to the channel sir.
Just found your channel, fascinating. Look forward to viewing more.
Thank you Mark. I have more videos so hopefully you can find something that takes your interest.
What is the reference number? Looks like a cool Seiko 5
that is one of the sexiest square dial watches i've ever seen
Good vid Sir. didnt know about the timegrapher. Very nice.
Nice work, keep it up.
You're getting very good at the fault finding stuff, Mike. Good for you and good for Vince for collaborating with you. Good entertainment. How much for the watch?
Dennis Allport thanks . Not sure about the watch yet. Need to find the missing stem release part first so it’s complete
I enjoyed that sir , your amazing , so vince done very well .
there you go vince was hair spring ....
john uk
Feeze the gasket will fix the strech problem. Old Moped driver trick for the carburator seals .
Jörg Sannwald do they actually shrink back then?
@@MyRetroWatches they hold their shape and getting not smaller, then original. You only have to wait a minute or two that they are a bit softer to work with. I do that often with old O rings and PVC stuff. My Parts are a bit bigger than yours, on my phones but I see no reason why it shouldn't work for smaller stuff too.
I have a nice old watch that needs a service and repair if you fancy it. I've never seen another one like it so no idea if it's worth doing. It was my Great G-GDads.
Nice work. I specifically got only seiko 7s26 watches because I can buy a whole new movement for them cheap from china. I know repairing them is way above me after watching this stuff. It's crazy how precise everything little piece has to be. How do they even make that spring so perfect in the first place?
thanks for your comment. I like the 7S26 easy to work on and like a workhorse despite not being pretty. I didnt know you could still buy complete movements. Are they copies?
@@MyRetroWatches I got NH36 movements for about £22. I don't know if they are copies but from reading watch forums people say they work fine. That is cheaper than servicing a seiko so might as well get a new movement.
Excellent, informative !
Thank you.
Found this super informative and entertaining so great job! Definitely subbing may even try this for myself.
Thank you for your comment I am happy to read you liked it. always worth trying for yourself.
Great work Mike great.
Bout TIME it was fixed
James Heal haha 😂 Vince is a master craftsman
That was a great vid. Very enjoyable , thank you.
Verry goot..thank video....
Always a hoot finding out why things don't work. Thanks:-)
Thanks. It can be but also can be very frustrating. In this hobby especially.
That's a great bench you have!
Another watch resurrected from the dead. God bless you, Mike!
Антон Бондов thank you so much sir. You always have positive comments
WOW! A WATCH CALIBRATOR!? Sweet ass shit
Good diagnosis. An interesting fault.
Thank you.