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His diction is quite incredible-- it really is unbelievable the difference the Sprechgesang makes to dictate the choices the singer has at their disposal!
Till Lindemann from Rammstein actually uses something very similar to Sprechgesang in a lot of the songs. Less operatic of course but still a similar technique.
Sometimes I hear regular speech as a series of musical notes. It's always there. Of course composers would notice this aspect of speech. This speakers comments could be written as notes with accents here and there.
The historical reasons for the development of "Sprechgesang" are simple enough: The great cabaret-stars since Edith Piaf were highly musical, but did not have musically trained voices. Therefore, they replaced their missing "bel-canto" with expression.
Good question. If I were to venture a guess, I'd say the more rhythmic quality of rap. But I'm not musically educated, so I really should leave this to someone with more expertise.
I'd say the operatic one is used to emphasize emotions, so in this clip for example you can hear that the character is scared from his tone, and it probably can be applied to other emotions and tones like anger and sadness etc. While in rap it's more about following a melody and a rhythm without emphasizing that much and it's kinda steady or one-leveled. That's just how I see though, I might be wrong about it.
Sprechgesang still has a composed melody, it's just defined in terms of movement rather than precise pitches and the end result is a muted melody. Rap meanwhile just kinda follows the beat and the aspects of melody it has are emergent rather than composed. Aside from the differences in how they function due to coming from completely musical directions, they also just sound very different, where Sprechgesang is more melodic, just dissonant, while rap is more rhythmic.
@@رزيئةno, rap is highly emotionally tonal. respectfully I think this may be a genre familiarity gap, as I would consider rap more emotionally expressive, I suspect due to my being more accustomed to it-- perhaps you are the inverse.
SPRECHGESANG is characteristic for CABARET SONGS, which I described in my (just re-published) book DAS LITERARISCHE CHANSON IN DEUTSCHLAND. Francke, 1966, Igel, 2013
I'm hardly a music specialist so I looked up 'Sprechgesang vs Recititative": per WIkiwand (amazing site name!), Sprechgesang is virtually the same as recitativo, but often is misapplied to Sprechstimme, which is what Elder is describing here. Schoenberg notated Sprechstimme with notes with a line through them. What came to mind in watching this remarkable video was parts of Dreigroshenoper - probably more recitative than Sprechstimme, but the idea certainly wasn't unfamiliar to Weill, and probably not to Lottel Lenya or Brecht either
@@belphegor_devthere's no need to be unkind in such a way that bystanders catch stray bullets. I know multiple people who enjoy both opera and Marvel movies, though I must confess I am not among the latter.
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This is the clearest introduction to the speech/singinig idea that I have ever encountered.
His diction is quite incredible-- it really is unbelievable the difference the Sprechgesang makes to dictate the choices the singer has at their disposal!
What a wonderful video! And reasonably clear for those (like me) with no musical background.
0:07 sprechgesang
1:46 translation
2:13 performance sprechgesan
3:04 performance sung normally
Mark Elder is such a ham. Love that guy!
Till Lindemann from Rammstein actually uses something very similar to Sprechgesang in a lot of the songs. Less operatic of course but still a similar technique.
I think in modern music, it's called sprechstimme. Talking, but in a somewhat musical way. (Lügen is a good example)
I was thinking about that very same fact hence why I'm here!
3:00 full singing
2:30 sprechgesang
5:59 spechgesang but even more pushed
(4:26 sprechgesang) same as before
Great! Thank you! Speech, language, singing!
Sometimes I hear regular speech as a series of musical notes. It's always there. Of course composers would notice this aspect of speech. This speakers comments could be written as notes with accents here and there.
Sprechgesang was by no means invented by Schoenberg in the 20th century - it was a big part of German melodrama for many decades
I'm convinced I heard the hint to it earlier in Schubert's 3rd song from Winterreise
"One man saw it and thought it was a hedgehog"-- good Lord! 😂
7:49 is an even funnier presentation.
Ikr, it had me rolling...
Just like the head
The historical reasons for the development of "Sprechgesang" are simple enough: The great cabaret-stars since Edith Piaf were highly musical, but did not have musically trained voices. Therefore, they replaced their missing "bel-canto" with expression.
Who tf cares about this lmao
This is amazing!
naïve question, what the relations or the big differences between Sprechgesang and rap way of singing?
Good question. If I were to venture a guess, I'd say the more rhythmic quality of rap. But I'm not musically educated, so I really should leave this to someone with more expertise.
I'd say the operatic one is used to emphasize emotions, so in this clip for example you can hear that the character is scared from his tone, and it probably can be applied to other emotions and tones like anger and sadness etc. While in rap it's more about following a melody and a rhythm without emphasizing that much and it's kinda steady or one-leveled. That's just how I see though, I might be wrong about it.
Sprechgesang still has a composed melody, it's just defined in terms of movement rather than precise pitches and the end result is a muted melody. Rap meanwhile just kinda follows the beat and the aspects of melody it has are emergent rather than composed. Aside from the differences in how they function due to coming from completely musical directions, they also just sound very different, where Sprechgesang is more melodic, just dissonant, while rap is more rhythmic.
@@رزيئةno, rap is highly emotionally tonal. respectfully I think this may be a genre familiarity gap, as I would consider rap more emotionally expressive, I suspect due to my being more accustomed to it-- perhaps you are the inverse.
Fascinating stuff, even if it's not the most listenable.
SPRECHGESANG is characteristic for CABARET SONGS, which I described in my (just re-published) book DAS LITERARISCHE CHANSON IN DEUTSCHLAND. Francke, 1966, Igel, 2013
Stfu bro
Where can I find this whole lecture?
You can hear more from Mark Elder on Wozzeck in the below videos:
ruclips.net/video/ys29RoJwdEg/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/3XiyfBMVKfI/видео.html
Thank you!
One day, people will talk about the great rappers like this.
R.I.P. DOOM.
I hope so. Rap is the most historically underrated genre as far as being seen as uncultured.
Thank you
UNBELIEFABLE
i always wanted to know
Sprechgesang example 2:30
This isn't called sprechstimme?
I'm hardly a music specialist so I looked up 'Sprechgesang vs Recititative": per WIkiwand (amazing site name!), Sprechgesang is virtually the same as recitativo, but often is misapplied to Sprechstimme, which is what Elder is describing here. Schoenberg notated Sprechstimme with notes with a line through them. What came to mind in watching this remarkable video was parts of Dreigroshenoper - probably more recitative than Sprechstimme, but the idea certainly wasn't unfamiliar to Weill, and probably not to Lottel Lenya or Brecht either
8:07 Good. Great.
How do you write this sprechgesang effect on sheet music ?
write the notes, place an x through the stems...
Devil Doll brought me here
All sounds like singing to me, just slightly demented
What?
The start of rap
How exciting! Wow…I see now why this video has six views after 10 years….
lol sprechgesang is this an english word too? because it's german...
this is what they are passing off as entertainment hmm fair enough
It's not for you. Go back to watching Marvel movies.
@@belphegor_devthere's no need to be unkind in such a way that bystanders catch stray bullets. I know multiple people who enjoy both opera and Marvel movies, though I must confess I am not among the latter.
I just got to 6:40 thru the hedgehog part-- perhaps that's what OP was referring to 😂