Jimmer Fredette: next Steph Curry, international superstar ... NBA Flameout
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- If you love college basketball, you remember Jimmer Fredette as a legend. If you prefer the NBA, you probably remember him as a bust. How and why can same the player satisfy both legacies, and what do we make of the rest of Fredette's pro career? Let's visit the less-known chapters of Jimmer's story in the Prism.
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I'm glad you mentioned JJ Redick, because that is a much better comparison to Jimmer than Steph Curry is. Coming out of college, Steph had the ball-handling and playmaking already; nobody doubted him as being at least capable of being a serviceable PG to go along with his shooting ability. The questions surrounded Jimmer & JJ were that they didn't have the PG skills and they were undersized as SGs. JJ developed into a pretty decent defender which increased his value. Jimmer never found that secondary skill.
This is the good take
Revisionist history fs
Nah I don’t agree. Steph could shoot coming out of college but the ball-handling and playmaking developed later.
Did you... Not see him at Davidson? He was a PG bro he became a true combo guard a few years into the league . His handle was always nasty and simply got better @@Los150
JJ has good size for a two guard...6'4" barefoot, about 6'5" in shoes....I definitely would not call him an undersized 2.
I went to high school with Jimmer. He's a dude of incredible integrity, and though it may not seem like success to some, he had massive success in his career and it was all so deserved. He was the most unbelievable high school athlete that I've ever witnessed up close. When Jimmermania was happening at BYU, it felt like a parallel universe, but it also made so much sense. He worked harder than anyone, was very quiet, but kind, and when he stepped on the court, he made magic. He also once dunked so hard on me in a driveway basketball game that i got a bump on my head from the ball. Thanks for covering him!
He seems like a nice dude
So you followed him in both High School and then directly to college?
Man you Mormons reeeeally stick together
which his not getting a good nba career is also deserving
@@Boomhauersdad are you sure?
Being happy within yourself, and whatever limitations you have, I call that happiness.
Well said. Not to mention he made millions playing a sport he loves? Sign me up!
Fr no reason for a player to get down just bc they couldn’t hold it against the best of the best
we all have things to be grateful for, but Jimmer likely didn't live up to his own expectations. almost all top pros train their whole life for one thing - to have a successful career in the league. he's a competitor, and he couldn't get it done. it's going to feel bad no matter what
Great quote
I'm glad there is a finally fair assessment of Jimmer.
that he is jus tnot good enough
@@user-nv1gm2zj7y didn't pay attention to the video did ya? 😂😂😂😂
Getting drafted by the KINGS played a HUGE part IMO
not a ton imo
didn’t help but i really don’t think all changes that much, maybe a few years of him playing but in the NBA you either got it or dont
Exactly.
There was a time where Sacramento was where lottery picks fell by the wayside and failed to meet expectations due to the coaching carousel there.
Spencer Hawes, Jason Thompson, Jimmer, Thomas Robinson, Ben McLemore, Nik Stauskas, Willie Cauley-Stein…
Even how Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins’s respective tenures ended there…
Sacramento was just not a franchise where lottery picks thrived.
He wasn't good enough period.
One of many college stars who can't cut it in the pros.
I think that’s fair. I know people don’t like that, but outside of maybe the top 2 picks in any draft, fit plays a big role. The kings were drafting bad and had a horrible front office. As many flameouts happened there, I think it’s logical to at least point some blame there.
Blaming the Kings is a little unfair. For Jimmer to succeed in the NBA, he would have needed to fully embrace a role player's existence. That just wasn't in him.
Jimmer is the NBA equivalent to a AAAA MLB player
Damn bro
Jimmer Fever!
G league All Star
or Josh Ho-Sang of The NHL secret base has seemingly forget it exists unlike @TheScore
Fair enough 😅
"got a chopper and trimmer, shooting like jimmer"
Coming in that water boi u better be a swimmer
That’s literally the first thing I thought about when I saw this video.
What is this reference? A song?
@@jamesdupuis3249lil Wayne sure thing
no bap 😂😂😂😂😂 shout out weezy
Seth, I just wanna say thank you for your masterful storytelling. You and your team have crafted videos that have inspired me to get into sports writing and covering the games I love. I hope everyone at Secret Base knows how wonderful they are and how grateful we all are to get content from people who love what they do, because it is so abundantly clear in the quality of work you guys bless us with.
Agreed. This was my first video I watched of his and I subbed right after it ended. Great in depth analysis that only a lifelong hooper would truly appreciate.
what in the bots is going on in here? 😂
Agreed, been subscribed to their channel for years and every video is top notch
@@poindextertunesno bot, just being appreciative to a channel that has provided comfort during a rough patch in my life!!
Yep. Easily the best sports-related content creators on RUclips. No other channel comes even remotely close.
It took me years before I realized what his name was. For the longest time I thought his name was Jim Erfredette
LOL i could see myself making the same mistake, to this day i have never heard of another Jimmer
@@ScottyPod RIGHT!? Never in my life have I heard the name "Jimmer" until this dude.
@@slackerofhellI remember (vaguely) his mom starred calling him "Jimmer" because she felt the name had more sparkle to it (Not a direct quote but you get the idea). I'm sure his government name is James Frefette
@BoogalooBartholomew I can believe that, actually
That's hilarious
Jimmer definitely could have played in the NBA. It’s not a coincidence he excelled everywhere but the league. Opportunity to play, adapt, make mistakes and learn is a privilege. Jimmer played 18 mins his rookie year for a horrible team, organization and coaches who didn’t like him. Never got another legitimate chance. Situation is everything. He isn’t the only one this has happened to over the years.
I'll always love Jimmer. My son recently wore his Kings jersey to a game we went to, plenty of reminiscing and laughing with other fans who saw it.
As a San Diego State fan that hated Jimmer for beating us a few time, I was hoping this would be a video that would make me gloat about his failures. Instead, I got a video analysis that made me sympathize with him...Kudos great video essay.
I distinctly remember Jimmer Fredette lighting it up in the NCAA Tournament for BYU🏀He was a walking bucket. Glad he found success in other leagues!
This is such an excellent video. Glad it wasn’t just a complaint about a player who didn’t live up to their potential.
Love this guy. I grew up Mormon in upstate New York and believe me that's a small world. My dad and Jimmer's older brother were close friends in highschool.
I’m hoping we can get a prism video for Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford and/or Matthew Stafford.
and Jalen Hurts
@@markjackson6431Andrew Luck would be nice
@@markjackson6431I don’t think you understand this channel lol wth
@@unhhgcrxexhjvuvujchcrzwzwz7956 ??? i don’t think you understand the concept of the Prism. not everyone has to be the bust, dumbass.
I don't know about other fans, but I was a huge Jimmer Fredette fan on my Kings. Loved watching him have good shooting nights, and he wasn't a bad defender. He just didn't keep it consistent
The Mormon Megaladon
Lmao
I wonder...was he uncomfortable playing alongside so many Lamanites?
The Mormon minnow. When he left the small pond the game became real.
It's really great that he found a way to be happy and enjoy his style of play. Not everyone has to absolutely play in the NBA no matter the role, some people just aren't made to fit in a mold. For those people finding an alternative that works is vital and Fredette did just that.
I got the chance to see Jimmer play 3x3 at the PanAm Games here in Santiago, Chile, a few months ago. Dude balled out, and his off-ball movement and shooting is ideal for this type of game. Plus, he was a really cool, down to earth guy who stopped by to take pictures with everyone.
Jimmer in the modern nba would be a perennial 6 man of the year candidate
I'll be honest: It was only because of Jimmer that I heard of BYU. I was a 17 year old high school junior when Jimmer took BYU on that March Madness run. Some Mormon kid from my school ended up going to BYU, so those are the only two reasons I know BYU exists. That was one heck of a college run from Jimmer.
When I see a new Secret Base video, I click it then read the description after 🤣
Well you cant read the description without clicking on the video so nice job way to follow the order of things.
@@colinbreland3133think he may have meant title
The next Steph Curry was drafted two years after Steph, Jesus f*ck'n Christ! No wonder he didn't live up to it. And 15 years later there still isn't the next Steph Curry.
To be fair being "the next steph curry" didnt mean as much then as it does now. He was still young, and of course he was very good, but he wasn't exactly a top 10 all time player
Some would argue we have two echoes of Steph at least - Dame Lillard (who is still NBA75 level and a probable hall of famer), and Trae Young.
If they aren't good enough, sure we haven't had the next Steph. But that would mean Kobe doesn't qualify to be the next MJ, and he's a top 20 at a minimum all time.
@@blackjacktrial that makes me think in regards to dame, are all the top 50 in the hall? cause if so I would wager the 25 we just got are pretty much all going to be hall of famers
I think folks forget his comparison was based on Steph in college. Like at the time, being compared to Steph wasn’t the same as now. Jimmer’s last 2 years of college ball are the only thing I’ve seen close to Steph as far as hype. He legit was the best 3 point shooter anybody had seen since Curry’s tourney. Steph got a March madness run, but Jimmer legit ran ESPN coverage during that stretch. Looking back, it was a bad comp because he was never as consistent as Steph and all he could do was shoot.
@@blackjacktrialacting like dame deserved to be on the nba all 75 team is crazy
You guys make the best sports content, thank you so much
I remember his senior year very well. I am a UNLV fan, and at that time they were in the same conference as BYU. Jammer could absolutely take over a game with his ridiculous 3 point range. 40 or 50 points for him wasn't unusual. Although even i could tell them that he wouldn't do well in the NBA. He couldn't dribble drive and had no defense. I remember that same year, Trevon Willis was a star guard at UNLV and a reporter asked if he voted for Jimmer for player of the year for the conference. He said no, he voted for Khawi Leonard. So many reporters and fans hated on him saying he was just jealous. But any unbiased person could see that Leonard was a complete player
That was such a great era of MW basketball. BYU, SDSU, UNLV, UNM just slug fest after slug fest every week. 😭
@@avantesmith6442 yes it was! And the 19k screaming fans at the Mack were amazing
Been waiting since the beginning of this channel for a Jimmer episode, LETS GOOOO
He is not a unsuccessful basketball player. He is a unsuccessful NBA player and there's a difference
Really glad Jimmer found so much success internationally. Great video!
It’s always a good time when a new Secret Base video drops. I follow basketball leagues from around the world so appreciate the acknowledgment of the Chinese Basketball Association as a legitimate professional league with talented players. Just because it may not be considered the top league globally doesn't diminish its value and it should not be underestimated. Similarly, while the MLS may not showcase the world's best soccer talent, it should be regarded and respected as a professional league. Globalization of sports elevates the game, enhancing its overall quality (Jokic, Ohtani, etc.) so just basing judgments solely on a league's country of origin is pretty ignorant, which is a common sentiment that I’ve personally come across.
Your arguments come from the correct place, but Chinese League is indeed very very weak. People who dominate and become legends there, couldnt play in the Euroleague, and Fredete is the best example
Your reply doesn’t quite address my earlier statement. My point is that people are quick to dismiss the CBA as so bad that 'normal' folks can just enter the league and dominate. While this notion is absurd, I’ve come across this delusional line of thinking a bunch of times. I’m not asserting that all pro leagues are the same-the EuroLeague is better than the CBA, but that comes with more developmental time. The CBA was only founded in 1995 and being a younger league, it will have its growing pains. That said, the CBA is still a professional league, and my point is that anecdotally, I’ve seen a fair share of comments that dismiss it as an amateur league, which it is not.
I wish this was longer. You guys are incredible
A+ video; admittedly I'm biased because I adore Jimmer but this handled his failures as well as his successes in a very even way. Well done!
Thanks for the vid. Always great.
I really do love these Prism videos.
The amount of opportunity now to play high level basketball is crazy. CBA. Euro league. 3x3. Even RUclips creator basketball. I'm happy for Jimmer.
I remember when people were saying "Jimmer range". That NIL woulda been crazy for him lol
Jimmer was also a superstar in 2K. His release was actually one of the best ever. Actual green machine
I knew he was a boss overseas already. I think that's pretty dope. I'm glad he got to continue his dream, albeit at a different destination.
Fantastic work!
great vid as always
Warts and all, I am just happy he didn't stop doing what he does best. JimmerMania in the NCAA was a global phenomenon. When he jacked up 40 footers in March Madness, kids from the PH were getting stoked believing that he would make it again.
Great uploaddd as always 🇮🇹
Remember when his team in Shanghai came and played James Harden's Rockets and Jimmer had 41?
crazy how some people were saying jimmer instead of kobe when shooting something
They what? 😂💀
You had to be there @@ComicXanz
Love these vids
great message to this one, enjoyed it a lot :)
As someone who grew up in Central Utah, close to BYU. I remember Jimmer was all anyone talked about. You had kids shooting paper in trash cans yelling "Jimmer!" It was pretty cool to see.
Jimmer still got me scratching my head. He goes crazy every where but the NBA lol
Perfect Sample of One dimensional player.
I initially learned of this guy's shortcomings in, I want to say NBA 2k13, 2k14, where I got drafted to the kings in MyCareer. there was a announcer line saying like "even though isaiah thomas was last pick in the draft, he gets more minutes than jimmer" which was surprising to me as a newer fan at the time.
What happened to Jon Bois? I miss his content... His work was the gold standard of sports videos on RUclips.
My theory is that he’s fighting the old god of sports knowledge, so that another amazing series of videos can be made.
He's still contributing to Dorktown, and puts out content every year or two, often in big series or long videos. The entire history of the Minnesota Vikings was only last summer. The 2011-12 Charlotte Bobcats video was November 2022. Good quality content with archaic but charming editing takes a very long time.
Before I watch, just wanna say, Fredette and Manziel careers give me similar vibes
Manziel threw away his career because he wanted to party and do drugs. How are they in any way similar?
Yea im not seeing this at all. How?
Hold on, hold on, stay wit me now. 😄
I just meant as far as the hype, or wave they had.. You know "Star Power", behind them being able to put up stats and asses in seats. They both are undersized for their positions, but both lion hearted! Also last but not least, I think Fredette partied during his run, maybe not like Football Johnny but. Calm down contrarians...
I was at BYU for Jimmer mania, what a crazy time. Video doesn't mention how his jersey alone boosted Kings' merch sales by 500%
Image over substance.
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I remember reading years ago that Jimmer fancied himself as being the lead guy a team should be built around but didn't have the necessary skills for that to be a reality, and was also unwilling to accept a lesser role. That wasn't mentioned in the video and I honestly don't know how true that is, but I think it's worth mentioning.
Gosh that draft board hurts. Pacers traded kawhi for George Hill that night. Indiana is never a free agent destination, and PG and Kawhi would have probably ended up in LA anyways, but in another univers the pacers have 2 finals banners hung up from the kawhi-pg era
Dumb Pacer's management just like dumb Colts(Irsay decisions etc.), and in general any Indiana pro team for the last decade.
@HermannTheGreat idk, trade PG for sabonis and oladipo, had a couple of great years from vic, traded him for levert. Sabonis turned out to be a bad dude, we got Haliburton and buddy. Their management isn't so bad, the pacers biggest problem= they are located in indiana. I love my state but... let's be honest
@HermannTheGreat idk, trade PG for sabonis and oladipo, had a couple of great years from vic, traded him for levert. Sabonis turned out to be a bad dude, we got Haliburton and buddy. Their management isn't so bad, the pacers biggest problem= they are located in indiana. I love my state but... let's be honest
@@jordanalexander5275Yeah, the recent drafts and trades have been excellent. Oladipo had a body taht couldn't handle the wear and tear, and his mind also got warped when Indy paid him too much. PG had his mind broken by Lebron and he never could return to what he was after his drama, Lebron owned him imo. The most recent team seems to be the most talented of the last several years, its unfortunate they couldn't keep Sabonis, but I'd rather have Haliburton.
@@jordanalexander5275 What was wrong with Sabonis? I thought he was pretty respected as a locker room guy.
2011 college player of the year, Several NBA seasons, made over $9 million in the NBA and millions more overseas & married with 3 kids. Yeah, he’s a success story.
to me he is a basketball version of tim tebow.good dude,religious,super star college player but not enough for the next level
Are we ever going to get anymore episodes of Untitled and The Worst?
The problem with the NBA is that everyone has a role, and if you can’t fit in with what that team wants, you’re as good as gone.
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I expected to come away from this feeling a bunch of Schadenfreude about a guy I thought was overrated- but now I’m feeling really happy for a guy who actually made good in lower stakes situations! Seems like he actually never stopped trying
I agree with him and he’s a humble man. Much respect to him that rather than having a huge ego he found spot light that fits him. Some guys like delonte west or Gilbert arenas needs this. They made it to the NBA and still can’t figure out why they are there.
Didnt have much success in NBA but he did basically everywhere else? Good for him!
I can't tell you guys how crazy Delta center got when he played on the sun's and came for an away game. The place got playoff loud for him and he got cheered everytime he touched the ball. He's a Utah hero because of his byu stint
Seth is one of the greatest sports journalists of his generation
I was just watching the wonton don. Nice timing
Good list
Atleast he was happy that's was all that matters.
Putting this out while BYU is getting their hat handed to them in their first Big XII tournament is really funny to me.
SB has been on a roll
My high school team would sometimes jack up 3s and say they were shooting from Jimmer range lol. He was a legend for a short time
You didn't even mention his stint with the suns in 2019 where he shot 1-10 and ball-hogged in the 4th quarter to prevent Booker from scoring 60!
Jimmer went 0-13 in his 3 point attemps that season
That was one of the funniest games I've ever watched. The jazz home crowd cheered for Jimmer louder than they did for their own team
I remember my friend in high school leading up to the draft was trying to tell me that Jimmer was going to be the next big thing. Crazy to think about considering how things turn out
Jimmer has definitely played his cards right. He has been able to do a lot of great things thanks to the game of basketball.
You should do one on Sam Dekker
Imagine if the Kings took Klay Thompson and then the GSW took Fredette 👀
I think Klay is still Klay and Jimmer becomes better in a different world
Jimmer was more of a precursor to modern NBA than Steph, even though he came after. He was the one to popularize basing your complete game around the threat of the 3-pointer, and he made the logo range 3s a thing. Never forget Jimmer range
I had no idea who Jimmer was before this video but now I know. So thanks, Seth
I remember kids in high school calling "Jimmer!" When shooting 3s or throwing things into the trash
Watching this in my Bulls Jimmer jersey
For the youngsters, you have to realize that jimmer was almost as popular at Caitlin Clark while he was at BYU.
Loved Jimmer on my kings. He was there at a terrible time. Organization was to blame for the slow start, but not the failed career.
I remember, as a UConn fan, being livid that Jimmer got drafted before Kemba that year. While the Hornets ground Kemba's knees into dust forcing him to carry them all those years, he was a 4x All-Star, which means I kinda got proven right.
I was all in on the Jimmer hype. It came crashing down 😅
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Jimmy is a my team legend
As a Kings fan I wish he could of stuck with our team but it just didn't work out... Great video again 👏🏻
You wanted subpar players on your team's roster?
Jimmer was absolutely unstoppable as a Shanghai Shark
Next Steph Curry.... let's not get carried away here
Jimmer is a legend here in Glens Falls
This is why I have doubts about Reed Sheppard. You can only look so good in college until you're playing against bigger and more athletically gifted players.
The man's in the Christian Laettner category for sure
8:03 is so creepy thanks for picking the nub photo
I'd like to kinda play Devil's Advocate on Jimmer's time in Europe. He couldn't create his own shot the way other former NBAers have been able to, like Larkin, Mike James, or Nunn, and he was HOUNDED on defense. So much so that Rick Pitino (the team's coach at the time) would sometimes bench him during clutch time in close matches.
And he bounced on the first opportunity he got, and went back to China. I wouldn't call his time in Europe a successful stint. But when he was on, he was a really fun player to watch.
I wish more basketball discussion was framed this way.
Being from that part of up state NY and being a little boy when he came through jimmer seemed like a super hero. Luckily by the time JG3 came through a few years later and broke his record we knew to lower expectations. Anyone who likes a good college ball I encourage you to watch Joe in his senior season at Clemson before he goes and becomes a legendary figure in Italian or Israeli basketball :)
JImmer tried in Europe though and failed quite bad
Jimmer time!
Teach Me How To Jimmer
Meanwhile Trae Young plays just as little defense, Gets more turnovers per game (All time leader in NBA history in that stat) and is a super star. The power of narrative in the NBA has never been so obvious. The only difference between Trae Young and Jimmer fredette is playing time. The truth of the matter is that neither one of these players is a super star or a bust. Both of them would be great as a 6th man who plays 20 minutes a night, gives you 15 points and can be in the end game scenarios to stretch the defense.