How the Nets wasted a prime championship opportunity, then fell apart and left the state | Collapse
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- Опубликовано: 12 мар 2019
- In the mid-2000s, the NBA's Western Conference faltered a bit, allowing for the Eastern Conference to swoop in and win a couple championships. Heading into that mini era, anyone would have picked the New Jersey Nets to snatch at least one of those trophies. But instead of seizing the throne, the Nets followed back-to-back Finals visits with disaster: heartbreaking playoff defeats, payroll cuts, injuries, bad luck, and an eventual departure for Brooklyn.
This is how the New Jersey Nets collapsed.
Written and produced by Seth Rosenthal
Directed by Mike Imhoff
Motion graphics by Philip Pasternak and Mike Das
Shot and edited by Alex Hawley
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I swear everytime i watch a documentary about a 2000’s team, Mutombo is in that team 🤣
Danny Cribbs ikr
@MUFC sir I don’t think anybody here cares about you or soccer
Or facing them 😆
Yea
Mutombo is everywhere lmao
It's the Nets. The fact that Jason Kidd led the NEW JERSEY NETS to back to back NBA Finals alone makes him a first ballot Hall of Famer.
should have signed with the spurs. what a dummy lol. could have won at least 6-7 rings
@@_camy_ yeah but look at all the flack Durant gets for leaving your team for the team your team couldn't beat.
Hell always be a Jersey legend and one of my personal favorites for that 💯 🐐 🙏🏽
Cameron Salehpour He had alot of power in New Jersey. Thats why he stayed
Cameron Salehpour nah , some of us old school guys have principles.. we don’t do the can’t beat em join em .. and he ended up earning a legit ring with the team that drafted him .. he did the right thing
“Benchwarmer Brian Scalabrine” Don’t ever disrespect the GOAT like that
Red and white! He is the toothpaste goat
you should give stand-up comedy a try bro
The Greatest GOAT of all time!!!
The only person in history that can win the game even down 24 points with 24 seconds left!!!
MANCHESTER UNITED F.C what does that have to do with anything unless someone deleted sumn
Gettin Money He comments that in a lot of Basketball video’s comment sections, idk why he does it, but he does
Kidd in his prime with that Spurs team would've been insane
They would probably not have drafted Tony Parker though.
@@vee1766 so...
@@vee1766 Even better
@@vee1766 yea but they prob can win more rings
@@vee1766 Tony Parker was already playing when Jason Kidd considered going to the Spurs.
Moral of the story: Scal is so good that he dropped 17 on one of the best defensive teams ever while coming off the bench.
And the League MANDATED the Nets to never use him ever again to keep competitive balance...
Yeah you know a new NBA fan when they complain about the Warriors disrupting the balance, cause they've never seen Goat Scal play.
WHITE MAMBA
In an important playoff game that went 3 OTs. 🐐
The year is 2756 and people are still making Scalibrine is the greatest jokes and still commenting "First" and still making "I don't see John Cena" comments. What a future!
3 things i learned watching this....
*Kidd almost pulled off a Kevin Durant move during free agency*
*Mutumbo was a Net?!*
*Alonzo was also a Net?!*
Seahawkfan1108 did he blew a 3-1 lead? Otherwise I would say not quite but it’s almost comparable
@@robertolebron2296 no it's worse, you join the team that beat your ass in the finals and those spurs are winning 5 straight
Nah, if anything the Spurs dodged a bullet because if they had signed Kidd they definitely weren’t keeping Tony Parker and that would have turned out really badly.
jman2050 everyone forgets tony Parker was a key part of the Spurs
DeryBRash yea but Kidd is better Than Tony though
Vince Carter is still in the NBA. Think about that while watching this video.
Right that’s insane
I wish he was on these NJ TEAMS when they went to the finals
Not anymore
And he's retired 😭😭😭
@Harry Engel the dunk contest and his murder in the olympics alone guarantees him for the hall of fame
9:06 "Their replacements were absolute ass"
I just died
Yo i ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣 He said it so calmly too! Lmao
Buying a copy machine sounds like something out of semi pro
gkill24 sounds like the 2k19 prelude 😂😂😂
lmfao
They are after all one of the ABA teams from the merger
@@jefffanelli4380 flint tropics for the win
Lol mafia operation.lol
Jason Kidd is low key underrated. His stats dont pop out at you, but his impact was greater than his numbers.
The fact that he turned himself into a knockdown three-point shooter in his 45th year in the league was pretty impressive too. He sank a few key shots in the Mavericks' championship run.
Exactly! Same goes with Bill Russell
@@MylotheZooLovingScientist 45 year in the league lol
I always thought he was rated.....lol everyone I know knows how good he was
@@dontmindme5879 Nah. Everyone talks about how LeBron dragged 07 Cavs to the NBA finals all the time but they don't talk about how J.Kidd dragged Nets to the finals TWICE
The 2012-2014 Pacers teams would be a really good topic for this series. Went from battling with the Heat to eventually losing all 5 starters a few years later
Wow they eventually did this 🤣
@@GreenBayPaytongon watch it rn lol
Collapse is such an awesome series. Very interesting how teams with so much promise fall apart before even reaching their peak
Man Kidd was awesome in his prime. Also, Kenyon Martin is super underrated.
Ritvik Dutta Jason Kidd is still human garbage
Kidd was such a diva, I wonder why nobody ever brings this up.
Jason Kidd is a trash human being. Also, how is Kenyon Martin super underrated ? I've never heard/seen anybody say that lol
mart and dikembe alwayw got hurt ...
Lazy M91 Kidd was such a scumbag
6:53 sounds like we got a sneak peak at a future beef history video.
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Maaaayybeeeee?
Sorry, that might come off wrong. It's on our list of ideas for potential episodes, so literally: maybe?
@@SecretBaseSBN make it happen!!! Mo BEEF!!!!
Joseph Garcia beef. BEEEEEEF!
Survey says....
Them 04 Pistons was tuff 💪
ginn Dro straight up, really should have won 2-3 titles for sure. That close game 7 loss in San Antonio will always sting
@Gjr Hatz Not quite. The Bad Boys teams were defined by detestable, ego-centric superstars like Isaiah Thomas, Bill Laimbeer, and especially Dennis Rodman. The Goin' To Work Pistons had no superstars and no egos; guys like Chauncey Billups and Ben Wallace kept their heads down, their mouths shut, and simply worked on putting together a team that was greater than the sum of its parts, all of which gave them a lovable blue-collar persona.
@@furioussherman7265 Sheed was a superstar bruh
Pistons were tough '02-'08
@@ernestboykin3rd706 These guys actually did a Collapse video on the Goin' To Work Pistons, and they agreed that there were no superstars in that team, just role players who meshed like cogs in a machine to become something greater than the sum of their parts.
The term “future all star Kyle Korver” is really weird
Tony why? It’s accurate
He made one all star team
Dean Johnson that’s one more all star team than you
@@GreatValueBleach ok and
@@deanjohnson3664 u dont play in the NBA ha I do
Kidd was such a great superstar PG for that team. But once they lost Kenyon Martin - who I will always believe was the soul of those Nets teams - they were done. That was the one guy they needed to retain.
I hated signing Jefferson over him.
They should of kept both and amnesty there contract and find a better center who can make there free throw.
Agreed. Kmart gave them a toughness. Once he was gone they were just a finesse team.
as a nets fan, i know im gonna suffer watch this, but i do it to support sb nation.
Future looks bright for nets fans tho; new GM knows what he's doing, D'lo is a sure star and plenty of your players have a high ceiling for the future years.
@KimJennie Well he's 23 and only improving. Also has great young teammates.
losing to the pistons up 3-2 in 2004 in a year where the t wolves got hurt la got hurt and was not together and the pacers were a total mess on offense under a new head coach being led by a nut job in ron artest will always haunt them..they choked and forever again became irrelevant...2002-2004 was the only time people cared about the nets and they wasted it...you would think adding vince carte to a core of jr kidd and rj as all stars would make them a contender but they werent
KimJennie nah he definitely a star if he keeps doin what he is rn he was always a good player
I know you must be happy asf now.
2003 nets were my favorite team as a kid and truly made me start loving basketball. That era was a great era of basketball
I wish they would’ve stayed in jersey we built a new arena for them in Newark and still couldn’t keep em
I don’t know. It’s one of those relocations that worked out for both sides. I know that people from New Jersey are upset that the Nets left, but at least you still got to keep the Devils, and at least you’re not Oakland, they lost the Warriors and Raiders to San Francisco and Las Vegas, and are going to lose the A’s soon.
As a Nets fan who loved this team, Mutombo was very bad on the team. His style of rebounding completely broke their fast break offense. I really think the actual mistake of team building was their fixation on replacing Jason Collins. The Nets didn't need a strong rebounding center. Their best offense came off of Collins boxing out so Kidd could get the rebound and kick off the fast break. They spent two off seasons in a row acquiring Clunky centers who did not mesh well with the team, and couldn't stay on the floor anyway. They were stuck looking toward the center dominated NBA of the past, instead of the high tempo offenses that the NBA was slowly moving toward.
really could've use Korver too.
They were better off without Collins though. He was really not good at all. And he couldn’t play fast either.
Mutumbo was a product of 80s and early 90s basketball. Things were starting to change when be joined the Nets
They got a good center in 2008 but Carter hot injured and Kidd quit
What would've also helped is potentially trying Kenyon Martin at center and running Van Horn at PF. Yes, Martin would be very undersized at the position, but so was Collins. That could've been big in certain situations.
Here‘s some food for thought: Can we trace the Mavs‘ 2011 championship to Kidd‘s 2003 decision? Because I don‘t think he ever would have returned to the Mavs had he signed with the Spurs back then.
And you could make the argument that if the Mavs had not collapsed against the Warriors in '07 (video idea?) in a relatively weak west that year and after coming close to winning it all in 06, they may not have looked to sign him either.
If anything that Kidd ripple would affect a growing Tony Parker who Popp was showing some frustration at first and was willing to cut loose. But it worked out in the end as his amazing metric to attack the basket and improved court vision would help the Spurs in their own deep runs for the chip.
This would mean that Tony Parker ends up in Seattle or Cleveland, and ends up pairing with Ray Allen or Lebron.
@@stb55555 Well as long as Dirk was in his prime Cuban would've tried to win at all costs so maybe he'll still get Kidd to get 1 more ring. For sure he'll do it
Probably not.
The only reason why he went to Dallas was probably to ring chase. Because Dallas was going for that ring in 2011.
I don’t see any other reason he’d return there after the Triple-J’s broke up. (Which Triple-J’s not breaking up is also a massive “what if” that could change the NBA in a different way)
If Vince gets to the Nets in 04 with Kenyon & Zo stays, they get to the finals until 07. Vince got traded from one dysfunctional franchise to another. A lot of people don’t realize he carried that Nets team to the playoffs 3 years in a row with an aging Kidd and injury riddled roster and no big man.
That's a fact
Aging Kidd? Maybe if Carter could hit a playoff game winner he would have a title back then.
Didn’t he get traded for zo though?
They definitely could have used him for the 03 Finals
Zo got traded for Carter.
Although a lineup of Kidd-Jefferson-Carter-Kenyon? They would lose in 5 or 6 games again to the Spurs, tho, and go on a rapid spiral that results in a long 6-7 year minimum rebuild.
The trade never happens here because Prokhorov would’ve bought the team in 04’, and would’ve already had his championship. Or maybe he’s going for more, and it does happen.
Ian Eagle and the Czar Mike Fratello were a top 5 duo on the commentary side during this era too. The rack attack!
Don't leave out field reporter Jim Spanarkle.
SB Nation, I think you just found your next great show
Preach,
Oh, no doubt. More great shows on SBNation's RUclips channel than on ESPN. They built a great roster around the GOAT Jon Bois.
@@SimuLord I guess you could say SB Nation is Pretty Good
Everything they make is gold.
TOSSED UP A BAGEL
what an amazing phrase
As a New Jersey man, this hits Home
If you don’t mind me asking when the Nets were in New Jersey were they more popular than the Devils? I always assumed because they won three Stanley Cups that the Devils were the much more popular team, but then again I’m not from New Jersey so I wouldn’t know.
@@cooperwolfe5478 Nope. The Devils were always the main team in New Jersey. The Nets were good at the same time that the Devils were good which really sucked for the Nets because they couldn't break through as a popular team.
The Nets in general were always the second team in New Jersey behind the Knicks and now they're the second team in Brooklyn behinds the Knicks despite their success in NJ and now. They're just not likeable for some reason even though I and some other fans have always rooted for them.
That Nets team with Carter and Kidd winning the championship would have been the highlight of my childhood.
As a Celtics fan, I HATED the Nets in the early to mid 2000s! But after they moved to Brooklyn and made the KG/Paul Pierce trade, I love the Nets!
...cuz Danny Ainge robbed them of every asset they had! haha
And now they're starting to look like a team that could win a championship one day in the future if nothing bad happens tho.
I'm sure you love they got Kyrie and Kevin Durant and a playoff ready bench now lol
The Celtics have too many rings. The Nets had nothing.
@@kal-el1827 this aged well
Damn I miss these Nets. Whenever I hear Lucious Harris's name, I can't help but think of the PA guy at Continental going "LUUUUUUUcious Harris"
The final farewell and credits of the NBA on NBC still make me bawl like a baby
I think the same thing for the old trash bulls center. Luuuuuuuuuuucc Longley!
Joseph Bayot I miss “It’s a V C 3
@@evaneasterling5562 also "Did you see VC!"
kidd k mart rj kk jc lc scal anth j a will b a d marsh ...those nets had heart
Here we are in 2022 just waiting for this KD and Kyrie stuff to go up in flames setting the stage for the sequel Collapse
Well Kyrie is now in Dallas, maybe we’re getting closer
@@naswii4360 it has already come full circle
I love this series. Teams collapsing and draft busts have always fascinated me
Scal was fined for his playoff 5 min 17 points god performance
collapsed is a great series already, keep doing them!
2:17 Jackie Moon once traded his washing machine away for a staring PG, Ed Monix.
Jason Kidd.. Richard Jefferson and VC...was dynacmic to watch
Do the 2010 Jets fresh off of 2 afc championship that team fell apart
Edit: Damn 321 likes thanks y’all
Edit:2 Thanks for 1k likes this the most i have ever had
YES
Sanchez
favre left
Mark San-chise (franchise pun)
They had Mark Sanchez as qb
"My kidney, my kidney"
Savage
Imagine Jason Kidd prime in San Antonio Spurs is INSANE
They didn’t need him, they had a PG who was just as good, Tony Parker.
@@cactusjack2264 stop it put Tony Parker on the nets are they making the finals?
I remember these teams so much. I used to love the team before they moved to Brooklyn and then I lost total interest in NBA tbh. I really miss them but I'm glad RJ got a ring eventually with the Cavs, he was my favorite player. Also could you imagine Carter if he was on those 03/04 teams? With Kenyon and Kittles
Some of the best memories from my childhood. RIP New Jersey Nets.
Do 2002 Mariners, from 116 wins to failing to make the playoffs for 17+ years
That was 2001 Mariners that won 116 games
They have
This is basketball not baseball pay attention son
Nets fan here, everybody keeps forgetting that Kenyon Martin was the Net's best player after Kidd during the Finals against the Spurs but got sick. They were tied 2-2 heading back to New Jersey when Kenyon Martin got the flu. The NJ Nets then went on to lose the last two games of the Finals with Kenyon Martin playing sick. I believed the Nets had a good shot at winning the Finals or at least getting to a game 7 had Kmart stayed healthy.
Vince is a legend. I think he makes it to the HOF. Greatest dunker of all time. He's played in 4 decades. 90's, 00's, 10's, and 20's. Just insane to think about. He's been in every role possible from rising young star, all star, superstar, contributing starter, key bench player, deep depth player, to end of bench mentor. Wish he could've gotten a ring but respect that he chose to go to teams that would give minutes so he can actually play. That experience makes him a great analyst now because he's been there and understands all roles plus had actually played with a lot of the old legends and young guys.
As someone who grew up a New Jersey Nets fan this just hurts
Agreed bro
Y'all got Kyrie and KD at least
@@geordiejones5618 No Brooklyn has KD and Kyrie. We don't support them anymore
I spent many weeknights of 2004-2009 at the continental so this hurts 💔
It was a disastrous story for a team that had so much potential; ultimately, cutting costs hurt them dramatically and have not been able to truly recover since 2003.
This new series is incredible, keep doing these forever! There’s gotta be a lot of material out there in sports history to keep this going for a long time.
As a native from New Jersey this one hurt a lil....Okay a lot lol great episode
Could you do a ep on the big 3 Miami heat era ?
Why you gotta diss the GOAT like that. Scalabrine is anything but a bench warmer.
They had to keep him on the bench to avoid having to give him his well-deserved ultra max contract.
White Mamba
Why can’t Black Mamba Kobe Bryant just be held at the status as the GOAT alone without Less Than Larry Bird Scal...only in America smh
Man... you brought back some good (?) memories. I love your videos. Keep up the good work. You failed to mention the whole Kidd migraine ordeal and how great VC was once his 1st yr with the Nets. He averaged like 27 for the Nets.
You did a very good job on this, both on the analytical side and on the technical side.
Game 6 of the WCF, Lakers vs Kings. *Lest we never forget.*
They should do one on the kings
I’m a lakers fan and I still think that was bullshit
there's so many videos about this. Just type it on youtube and you'll see thousands on this game
Lakers won fair & square
I think SB nation already has a video on this and how the refs messed with that series.
I love this series so much!
2005 Astros?
I would love if they did the astros it would be great
Yeah, that 2004-05 Astros team was so much fun. It had guys like Berkman, Oswalt, Beltran, and Everett in their primes, along with the end of Biggio, Bagwell, and Ausmus in their primes.
I thought they were a bit unlucky to be swept by the White Sox in the 2005 WS. Every game was within reach for the Astros, just couldn’t find a way to win.
How is it a collapse? They won the World Series. Collapse has to be a great team who have fallen and haven’t recovered
Did you miss their three straight worst-in-the-world seasons? They fell all the way to the bottom.
@@Jase_Gamez I mean the won the world series in 2017, 12 years later. Directly after that first appearance they set records for worst teams in MLB history.
Moral of the Story: It only takes one injury or ailment to derail a team that looked to be the next champions.
I love the way you tell your story’s... makes me remember the good times, when I was a NBA fan. 👍
Loving SB Nation more and more each video! I was looking forward to this!
As a life long Nets fan, I appreciate any video about the 2000s Nets so thank you for making this great video!
I absolutely love this series, thank you
Time to make part 2. From the Garnett Pierce Deron superteam to KD Kyrie Harden era 😄
i love this series with a passion
I miss my New Jersey Nets
You will never get them back Brooklyn forever 🖤🗽🍾💯😂
@@guillermomclean8657 😭 stop it's like if the Mets moved to another state
@@guillermomclean8657 You guys had Kyrie and KD and still fumbled the bag
Do the 94 blue jays, 2 championships and young core with one of the best pitchers ever added in 96, only to miss the playoffs for the next 21 years
Great job 👏
You guys should do a video on the “Go to Work” Pistons, one of the must unexpected finals upsets on one of the best teams in NBA history
Nah Detroit’s a dump no one cares. you’re trash and you’re poor
WE LIKE SPORTS AND WE DON'T CARE WHO KNOWS
Kofie Why? And nobody cares if you do
Its a song
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Cunthole Steve
WE LIKE SPORTS AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO CARES?
These little videos are very entertaining and informative. Great work.
Even with just the 2 episode for this collapse series & im already love these
I personally miss the New Jersey Nets. Although Brooklyn is right on the border of New Jersey, it's still in New York and the state of New Jersey deserves their OWN team.
Do the Giants, Jets and Red Bulls count as New Jersey teams??? LOL. 😀
Welp. Get on it mates. We have another Nets collapse.
love SB Nation's video content!
Man so gooooooo great work on this video
Great vid. Jason Kidd was under appreciated for years. Steve Nash got the praise and MVP's while Kidd had a better overall game and actually lead his teams to the finals with less talent which Nash never did.
Him playing in a tougher conference doesn't take away from him playing with way more talent than Kidd and achieving less. Spurs and Suns were running the west in Nash's MVP reign. D'antoni didn't believe in Defense
What are u talking about bro J kidd was dragging a young Kenyan Martin and scrubs to the finals. Nash had Amare...Johnson... prime Shawn Marion...prime barbosa, a few other really good players. You're really trying to say Nash didn't have way more talent built around him than Kidd? C'mon son
Yes Nash played in a tougher conference. The suns were also winning 60+ games in that conference. Just couldn't deliver at the end. At the End of the day....J Kidd won more with less
Agreed. Respect your knowledge ✊🏾✊🏾💪🏾
The Nets wouldn’t have made it past the second round in the West back then. They would’ve been a 5th seed (at best) behind LA, San Antonio, Phoenix, and Dallas.
As a charlotte hornets fan i always loved seeing Mourning play. I can only imagine if he and LJ had gotten along and of course Larry hadn't hurt his back
last dance took you guys style. Love the work you guys do.
As a person who lives at new jersey this one hurts
Excellent. Ya'll did a great job documenting my fav childhood team. Good thing the Nets are going strong this year.
Who’s here after the Nets traded away Kevin Durant & Kyrie Irving?
I love these videos its like a walk down memory lane
You ain't lying 😎
Why do I love this this type of videos soooo much
The Nets of the 2000s were in that awkward era of the East between the end of Michael Jordan and the beginning of LeBron James. Too bad they couldn’t win at least one series.
Thus that early 2000's era (i.e '02-'06)of the NBA is a great example of why commentators and fans such as myself some support having "intra-conference" Finals. Perfect example would be in 2002 with the Kings and Lakers. I hope in near future that they consider this proposal? The NBA goes to seeding beginning with the Conference Finals and rename them the Final 4. If that means an all East or all West Championship Finals, so be it. Imagine in 2018, how great would a Houston/Golden State NBA Finals would have been instead of Lebron carrying on his back at best a so-so Cavs team in an otherwise weak NBA East that season? While the first 2 rounds of the playoffs **would still be the same format that been in effect for a while now, i.e Intra-Conference games only within the East and West Division.
Back to this topic. In those 2 back-back finals appearance the then NJ Nets had no chance against the Spurs and Lakers. The then Jersey team were very lucky to win 2 games in '03. With that said moving up about 15 years later in 2019, I think it might be time for Prokhorov to consider selling the now Brooklyn Nets as well. Might be only chance for the Nets to become a strong contender again.
We need a collapse video of the KD/Kyrie/Harden Nets. Might be the biggest disappointment in NBA History. That team looked unstoppable and never got a chance to go for it all.
Amazing video.
This is a really good video, you guys should do more like these!!
“Thats a lot of copy machines” 😂😂😂😂😂 it made me laugh so hard hahahahaha
"my kidney, my kidney" lmao
thanks for bringing up my adolescent heartbreak, SB nation
I love this !!!! Do more!!
I recommend to watch this and the Sacramento Kings’ Collapse episode back to back. There are so many pieces linked to one another.
Depending on how they wanna push this series (season/decade long collapses versus season/game long collapses) I think there's a certain Superbowl 51 that could use a collapse examination
Kayleigh Lehrman Haven’t us Falcons fans suffered enough 🥺
Yahye Abdi not yet, no
Rewinder episode.
Although if SB nation is still a thing on YT in 5-8 years we could see one.
Considering the way things have gone since then for the Falcons.
Love the channel and the narration
I loved watching that team growing up! Kidd was such a great leader for that team.
This series was custom made for the 1985 Chicago Bears.
@Matt Joseph the players will be quick to tell you so too. I have heard Steve McMichael, Otis Wilson and Jim McMahon all say that they left another two Lombardi trophies on the table.
The title is very direct
This series is great, good job with the idea
Seth is great. Met him once at a Posting and Toasting (the Knicks SBNation site) game watching event at a bar in downtown Manhattan. Great video this was a good analysis of a strong team that fell short
You forgot the signing of big man Malik Rose. Younger me was pumped for that signing 😂😂
Nets : oops I did it again in 2021 against the bucks
I really enjoy Seth's vids on SB nation channel.
These videos are amazing! I love your style, Secret Base!