How the Greatest Show on Turf fell apart as quickly as it was assembled | Collapse
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- Опубликовано: 1 май 2019
- In 1999, the St. Louis Rams had a Cinderella run beyond anyone’s wildest dreams. An undrafted quarterback named Kurt Warner, a few years removed from working the graveyard shift in a grocery store, all of a sudden becoming an NFL starting quarterback for a 4-12 team, immediately putting together one of the best seasons of all time, and winning league MVP en route to a Super Bowl title? You would’ve been laughed out of Hollywood if you pitched that as a movie script.
But it somehow became reality, and for that year and the two that followed, the Rams had constructed a juggernaut that ran laps around the rest of the league. But then everything went sideways - they couldn’t stay healthy at the most important position in sports, dirty laundry was aired in a very public manner on the radio, their coach and front office grew to resent one another, and so much more caused an unstoppable force to all of a sudden become the NFL’s piñata.
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"Topping out at 7 wins is just not acceptable football for the Rams... so they went out and hired Jeff Fisher." LMAO.
The King of 7-9 records 💀💀💀
@@JonathanGonzalez-to9gt Na that's the Cowboys haha
LMAO I just realized that😂😂
Fisher is the Edmund Terverdyan of NFL coaches.
I’m dead 💀💀💀💀
One missing piece: the reason they couldn't keep a QB healthy. It wasn't just being snakebit and having bad luck. Martz refused to accept that the 7 step drop was outdated. As it turns out, getting your QB hit 20 times a game is a bad plan.
@Harry Engel
1. Time. The NFL has moved towards getting the ball out fast as pass rushing has gotten more and more aggressive. A 7 step drop requires the QB to hold onto the ball longer and usually leads to getting hit. Nowadays it's 3-5 steps and get the ball out immediately. It's also harder on the linemen getting into position because they have to run further and the gaps are larger. It's very difficult to protect against a good pass rush. Arguably, a lot of the reason that the league started placing such a premium on pass rush was to combat the GSOT.
2. Depends how much control Martz was allowed to have on the offense. If they're still running a 7 step drop offense with the QB holding the ball too long, I suspect that they have the same issues. Martz just never learned to adapt his offense to the new emphasis on pass rush, it continued in his OC jobs after being fired from St. Louis.
Warner wasn't just getting hit he was getting annihilated. Martz is a dumb fuck.
I remember Martz being on the Lions and watching Kitna and Orlovsky getting sent to the slaughterhouse everytime they step foot on the field
Josh Lee imo I think the biggest reason the GSOT was successful was because of Orlando pace. He was a brick wall and there’s a reason he’s considered a Goat at tackle
@@DieYuppieScum91 I've never played organized football at any level, but I've watched it for over 50 years and it can't be as simple as you make it sound. A lot has changed in the NFL over the years. Quarterbacks used to be under center all the time, until the Cowboys really popularized the shotgun formation. The angles are completely different. Yes, the gaps are larger now; they weren't then. If they were, they would be very vulnerable to counter plays that took advantage of wider gaps.
The quarterback had to have a deeper drop because he started closer to the line of scrimmage. But deep drops never seemed to bother quarterbacks of that era. John Brodie was protected immaculately in that era by a very good offensive line. I'm sure there were other teams that protected their quarterbacks well, also. Pass rushes didn't magically become superior forces, forcing teams to go to shallower drops and quicker throws.
Plus, the offenses started to change, getting the ball out quicker, etc. But what caused what? Did quarterbacks getting hit cause the shorter drops (to get the ball out quicker) or was there some other tactical reason having nothing at all to do with QBs getting hit?
Maybe pass rushers got better, but I doubt that the overall talent level got better when the league expanded. That usually dilutes the talent. Plus, certain tactics were taken away from pass rushers, and rules were changed or relaxed regarding offensive linemen and their use of their hands. So, how can those facts account for more fearsome pass rushes? I think it's the other way around.
I think a lot more analysis is warranted before you can conclude that 7-step drops went bye-bye because of better pass rushes, primarily. That leaves too many other variables out.
“Kurt Warner joined the Cardinals after being cut by St Louis”
Baseball fans: *visible confusion*
Or old football fans.
Giants first
He was a Giant first
@@moebetta4224 *REAALLLLYY old football fans lol
You'd have to be retarded.. but I can see that for st. Louis. I'm from here and there's a ton of dipshits.
Brenda Warner definitely showed up at the Rams front office and asked to speak to their manager.
Her haircut let everyone know she wants someone fired or she's calling the corporate office.
It's that cut bro
@@elowe5937 That's true.
Shes a beautiful woman, but that haircut was BRUTAL
To be fair, she was right about Kurt needing that X-ray.
I'm loving this new Collapse season
Tim Fisher Yeah it is interesting to watch
yeah but I dont know the rams were pretty good from 1999-2004....to call it a collapse is pretty stupid..no one of true value left really right after the super bowl loss so they just had injury and fatigue after the league caught up with them and warner aged...this isn't like the 03 marlins or 02 bucks...they got their title...to me collapse is like what happened to the 05 white sox that had 1 season and didnt ever really do anything again or the 2011 mavericks who went from title to losing key players and came apart ruining the success for the team
Tim Fisher series*
b-b-b-BUT IT DOESNT HAVD JON BOIS IN IT
SO IT SUCKS
PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.
GOOD JOB HAVING WRONG OPINIONS.
BECAUSE OPINIONS CAN BE WRONG.
Asmosis Jones looks like it says Season 1, Episode 6
you know... i love how everyone forgets that in 2001 warner had five not pleasant injuries to his throwing hand, including to his thumb on that hand that meant he couldn't grip the ball well towards the end of the season (wouldn't even shake john madden's hand before super bowl 36 it hurt so much). why he was so bad the following year (on top of the two additional breaks, which meant SEVEN not full healed injuries to his hand) was that it just wasn't given time to heal properly, and that explains why when he finally was benched by the giants/cards for as long as he was that his hand was FINALLY able to get right, and you saw the cards make a super bowl. but everyone always forgets this.
The Mad Zookeeper thank you!!!!
No one forgot it.
@@bradleybrown8399 given that i had to remind people of it *that year*, yes. people did forget. a lot of people.
@@Darthtanos you sure about that? You *had to remind people?
@@bradleybrown8399 given that people were wondering what was wrong with warner? yes
"7-9 football is just not acceptable for the Rams...so they hired Jeff Fisher."
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
7 seconds or less Phoenix Suns would be a good "collapse" vid, even though they never actually won a ring.
Exactly the rams wants to be 0-7-9
😂😂😅 he’ll get you to the playoffs though
"Sam Bradford's ACL started exploding whenever someone looked at him wrong" lol
2021:
Matthew Stafford traded to LA, puts up MVP numbers.
Finally beat Brady and ALMOST sent him to the retirement home.
Put our demons to bed against San Francisco.
Took home our second Lombardi Trophy.
The pain from 36 and 53 was worth it in the end.
Brady unretired though.
2021 was quite a historic season for the Rams.
Oh please, these were the ST.LOUIS RAMS, not la, then the city’s team was taken by a crummy owner
@@camdenbrandel6309 rams were in la first, only place they were taken was home
Damn skippy go rams!
I think you guys should do a collapse on the dolphins qb trouble since Dan Marino
They won’t have trouble any more. They have Ryan Fitzpatrick
Rosen is the ultimate "we'll see"
what about Jon Bois' video quantity output and the correlation with SBNation being gutter-tier for a Collapse episode
As a huge dolphins fan I want to see that
Sorry but as a Dolphins fan, I think this hits a little too close to home...lol... but you are right. Jeez.
i think collapse is sbnations best series
except for literally anything jon bois has ever made :^)
I like rewinder too
Beef history
The Worst, Beef History are good too
rewinder and the worst are the best, of course with anything jon bois looks at being above that.
I like the weird rules guy's beard
"How the Greatest Show on Turf fell apart as quickly as it was assembled"
Mike Martz. There were other reasons, but the biggest was Mike Martz. He basically pulled a Barry Switzer where he inherited a great team, coasted on that a couple seasons including another Super Bowl appearance, and then everything fell apart because he simply wasn't a good NFL coach.
Exactly. They lost that playoff game against the Panthers because he chose to play it safe and run the clock down to 3 seconds and kick a field goal to take it to overtime, instead of ending the game right there and scoring a touchdown with 2 of the greatest receivers in the league and one of the best running backs in the league.
I agree they completely ignored that fact Martz is the reason Warner A. Started turning the ball over too much and B. Got injured over and over. Warner proved to everyone he still had plenty of football left in him. Even though I am a die hard LA Rams fan I am pleased Warner played good elsewhere (Cards) he deserved it.
So all Vermeil inherited teams? He turns shit teams around, then gets canned or tired... his replacements reap the rewards then implode the team
Also, this wasn’t “quickly fell apart” over a 4 year period isn’t quickly
The Florida Marlins going from WS champ to last place in one season is “quickly”
@@Gl6619 I was going to say, having a 3-4 year run of dominance was as good as you could hope for in the NFL pre-Patriots.
I feel we are missing the 2004 season when they came back to beat Seattle in the wild card before losing to Atlanta in the divisional round.
I remember that distinctly as Bulgers best moment
"7-9 football is just not acceptable for the Rams...so they hired Jeff Fisher."
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
They definitely had a memorable 4years , maybe even half a decade.
That team was so dope
So fun to watch.
It was carolina not atlanta they lost two,in double ot,martz deffinitly cost us that game with his play calling in ot
Yeah there were some solid receivers (Furrey, McDonald, Looker) that played behind Holt and Bruce. I remember Bulger making it rain most of that season.
Mike Martz was the subject of one of the best disses I've ever heard, when ESPN's Tom Jackson said "he's the worst kind of idiot: an idiot who thinks he's a genius."
Indeed !!
How can you not add Prohl saying “Tonight, a dynasty is born” before the Super Bowl against the Pats?!?
Well he wasn't wrong lol
as a grocery store overnight stocker for the last decade, i would just like it to be known that Kurt Warner is our patron saint, our Moses. He will rise again and lead all us grocery clerks to the Promised Land.
The wheels didn't come off in 2007. They were already gone. What happened is that the chassis came off, which was incredible because it was one of those uni body designs where that is not supposed to be possible but they did it anyway.
As a born and raised St. Louisian and diehard Rams fan before the move to LA, the reason why was the front office. Virtually everything else about the team was incompetent, yes, but that front office couldn't find a coach, trade for a player, sign a free agent, make a draft pick to save their lives. It was simultaneously excruciating and bizarre to see every draft and every offseason get squandered because the people running the organization didn't have a damn clue what they were doing. It was like the front offices of the Redskins and the Browns(maybe the Jets got a little bit of a reach around too, idk) had a baby and then, disgusted by their creation, shipped it off to St. Louis.
Everyone loves Warner especially here in Missouri. I remember watching a meaningless chiefs and cardinals pre season game one season at Arrowhead and no one, not even our very own Chiefs, got a bigger ovation from the crowd than lovable everyman Kurt.
And they're back on top of the NFL mountain.
The L.A. RAMS are now Super bowl LVI world champions!!!
And now they are super bowl champions once again
"...And topping out at 7 wins is just NOT acceptable football for the Rams...so they went out and hired Jeff Fisher" -- Most underrated joke in the entire video.
Isn't the coach always sidelined? That's where they have to stand.
Solid point
the 1999-2001 Rams suffered the same fate that the 1996-97 Packers suffered and the same fate the 2013-14 Seahawks would suffer. Each team won a superbowl and were expected to keep winning superbowls, and each of those 3 teams imploded after losing their 2nd superbowl appearance
Kurt Warner's hand injuries and Marshall Faulk's creeping age, along with Mike Martz' inability to be a true HC, is what brought the Rams down. Martz was an offensive guru, not a HC. Then the Rams gave up on Warner so fast it's almost shocking. Then when Bulger came in and threw for a lot of yards, the league figured Warner was a fluke, which ended up being a huge disrespect to him as he went on to revive another basement dweller, the Cardinals.
Father Time catching up with Faulk was the big one. Out of anyone on that offense, he was the most unique. Possibly the best dual rushing/receiving threat in league history. He was such a wild card that it kept defenses off balance. I’ve always said, I think the Rams still win that Super Bowl with Green at QB vs Warner. Take Faulk out of the equation and it’s a much different story.
And look at us now! Super Bowl baby!!!
1. Of course Rodney Harrison hit Trent Green's knee.
2. Of course the Browns passed on Kurt Warner.
And Roy Williams injuring Kurt Warner in '02. Because of course.
Absolutely dirty hit by Harrison. Surprise surprise.
Everyone passed on Kurt Warner. The Browns did last, but still
@@26michaeluk can't stand Rodney Harrison. Dirty player
@Harry Engel No. The 1999-2000 Browns had a ton of O-Line problems, which is why Tim Couch kept getting injured. Warner would've suffered the same fate there.
The 1999 Rams is the reason why I watched football. The team had so much heart.
My 1999 Bucs Got Rob In The NFCC. We were the few team to Hold The High Powered Rams to 11 Points! But Then The Burt Emanuel Rule Happened 🤬
And now they’re Super Bowl champions
Rams back in LA, Champs again, Georgia dead and dust. Good to be a Rams fan.
I like that lowkey Jeff Fisher 8-8 joke at 15:00
From St. Louis
In middle and high school, the rams were viewed as a joke
Brenda Warner and her haircut was the thing that did them in. You can’t recover from that look.
I'm a Giants fan since 1979, I grew up with the St Louis Cardinals of Jim Hart and Neil Lomax. They played in the NFC East with the other four teams. Rams never felt right there.
This collapse can be summed up with one player, Marshall Faulk. Once Faulk could no longer produce the greatest show on turf stopped.
2 years late reply but I agree. Faulk being bad made Warner worse having to throw more than rely on Faulk. His rushing and receiving made this offense click and set up Warner’s targets.
I think it was their OL slipping and Martz refusal to acknowledge the 7 step drop was outdated with the number athletes playing defense. 5 step drops are almost impossible without a great OL
This is the saddest story in my sporting life. Being a rams fan since 1999 to 2016 was some serious self hate
If Dick Vermeil hadn't retired, the Rams could've won at least 2 more Super Bowls
I beileve that too but i think he retired because it was a stress Vermeil carried for years and was finally gone
He said in an interview that he always regretted retiring after Super Bowl XXXIV and wished he had stayed a couple more years.
Retired, but still on the Rams payroll till 2003 when he took the Chiefs coaching job.
Absolutely I agree 💯.
I think by "retired" you meant "went to a team that had Trent Green and no Mike Martz".
My Dad worked graveyard shifts stocking the shelves at a grocery store for 20+ years. He would always get pissed when some announcer would say something like "This Guy was bagging groceries last year". I'm sure he would have appreciated the distinction you made.
Nice info. I would add that Kurt Warner had amazing years with Arizona in 2008, 2009, and 2010. Warner even took the Cards to the Superbowl in 2009.
All this and the Rams have had 4 Super Bowl appearances since the year 2000, second to only the Patriots.
Chad Pennington: I'm the most injury proned QB ever!
Sam Bradford: Hold my ACL!
RG3: Um...guys?
Pennington was a good QB who could have been great. Those injuries.....
😆😆😆
7 seconds or less Phoenix Suns would be a good "collapse" vid, even though they never actually won a ring.
It can be summed up very easily: Robert Sarver’s a cheapass owner
suns always disappoint us smh
Cheap owners, disloyal players, opponents fixing games, the works.
@@grantreill1966 opponents fixing games.....hahahahaha typical AZ sports fan. Half are bandwagon idiots the other half are troglodyte cry babies who think they get screwed by league commissioners, referees, the universe, or god. SMH it's exactly why y'all do not deserve a thing. Only thing I enjoy more than seeing my teams winning is seeing delusional AZ sports fans cry once they realize their season beginning "Championship bound" shouts were idiotic at best.
@@myownwerstenmy jeez bro I'm talking one instance calm thyself
getting Shaq ruined them
Who’s here after they are back in the super bowl
Who’s here after looking like who we all thought they were now? A team with an overrated QB
Not a Rams fan by any means as I’ve always liked the 49ers, but Kurt’s story is awesome, and from what I’ve seen from and read about the guy, he’s a class act and his success is well deserved.
And six years later after getting back to LA… they won a SB at their home with a QB coming from the Lions…
St. Louis still has the Rams only Super Bowl Title 🤷♂️
I hope the Rams NEVER win a title in LA.
They won the title in 1951 in LA.
STL FAN St. Louis is such a trash city though. Also rams have won in LA lol. #FlyEaglesFly
@@c.a.m9677 not a Super Bowl
@@alia7750 since Philly's so much better
"Thanks, Brenda.... ANNNNYWAY"
lol
She is a "i got my man's back" type of woman. She was with him way before the stardom and money so she was gonna go to bat for him when things were rough.
@@deanbenford7363 sh had her nose where it didn’t belong bet she embarrassed him to no end
@@sherryhannah498 Look up their history. She was with him when he was stocking groceries. That's a down azz chick. Plus sports radio guys and beat writers can be way too nasty. Until they get confronted
@@sherryhannah498 Is that why she’s still his wife? Please stop talking.
@@lynnerose7891 you can’t tell me to stop talking you’re not my mother and please is not needed it’s very very annoying like Trump
I felt this in my soul being a STL kid born in 2000 😂
HOF RB Marshall Faulk was traded to St Louis in exchange for 2 draft picks. In the draft, Indy would draft HOF RB Edgerrin James in the first round (James would play for Arizona with Kurt from 06-08), a LB and DE from the draft picks. St Louis went from 4-12 in 1998 to 13-3 in 1999 and Indy went from 3-13 in both 97 and 98 to 13-3 in 1999. A rare draft trade where both teams quickly reaped huge benefits
It was really almost 5 years of equal triumph and equal horror watching it all go down. I mean in 03 they went 12-4. But after 03, nothing but downward spiraling. But I got nothing but mad love for Kurt. Cheered for him in NY and Arizona
After losing to the Patriots in SB 36, they got massacred with injuries and horrendous decision making
After losing to the pats in Superbowl 36, the rams let a lot of players go in free agency and after london fletcher and az-zahir hakim left that defense and special teams was never the same...
@@beezy22 After the patriots cheated in SB36 they were never the same
victor gamez How did the pats cheat, please give me an example with proof. Or are you just a salty, ignorant hater
@@medicineman1202 lmao
@@prestigev6131 I believe the Rams had installed some new goal line and 3rd down packages that week but when it came game time, the Pats somehow knew all the plays. The Rams players are adamant that something fishy was going on, the Pats deny it, but it wasn't a good look when a few years later the Pats actually did get caught filming another team. So yeah, there's no "proof" but based on track record there is a little bit of a smoking gun. Marshall Faulk said, "I understand Bill is a great coach. But No. 13 [Kurt Warner] will tell you. Mike Martz will tell you. We had some plays in the red zone that we hadn't ran. And a couple of plays on third down that we walked through also. And they created a check for it. It's just little things like that. It's either the best coaching in the world when you come up with situations that you had never seen before. Or you'd seen it and knew what to do."
So yeah, who knows. Fact of the matter is the Rams let Brady march down the field to put the Pats in FG range and lost at the last second.
As a Cardinals fan I still despise the Rams, but I got to say, I'm impressed with how quickly Sean Mcvay turned the Rams franchise around when he arrived in 2017. They finally found a reliable head coach for the first time since Mike Martz. They had multiple head coaches between Martz and McVay, including, Jim Haslett, Steve Spagnuolo, and Jeff Fisher (I'm sure I'm missing a few).
After 12 years of mediocrity and misery, he's turned that Rams team into a perennial Super Bowl contender. In his first year nonetheless. He's not had a loosing season. He's lead them to the playoffs 4 times in his first 5 years, 2 Super Bowl appearances and brought the Rams second Lombardi Trophy home last season.
This honestly should have just been titled “The St. Louis Rams”
As a lifelong rams fan. Nothing is worse than the 3-headed monster of Linehan Spag and Fisher. SJ was the only reason we didn’t have consecutive 0 win seasons lmao
True story......When the Pats were leading the game winning drive.....I was thinking the Rams are going 8-8 in 2002 (they went 7-9).....Before Vinatari kick the game winning field goal.......because they taught the world how to play them!!!
LA Rams going to win it all this year!!
This aged very well.
@@finchborat lol look again
I was a HUGE Rams fan. I saw the rise and fall of this era of the Rams, and when it was clicking, it really was 'the greatest show on turf". But when it got bad, it was putrid. Thank you, Rams for restoring order this past Superbowl.
@Lighthouse in the Storm This comes out of nowhere...But yes, Charles Barkley was right, he and other athletes aren't role-models. But, fact is, kids see them like it.
I dont think Aeneas Williams played in St Louis till the 2001 season but still glad to see him mentioned
From the Greatest Show on Turf to the Greatest No-Show on Turf
Been looking for something to watch for like an hour thank you sb
I'm a Bears fan, but I gotta say, that 1999 rams team is easily my favorite NFL roster of all time. (I was born in 1989, so the '85 Bears doesn't mean as much to me as older bears fans)
You should be excited for all the recent aquisitions to your team. Congrats on all the success last season especially when you guys put the hurt to my LA Rams in primetime.
@ALFredo Cuomo
Caleb Haney LOL
"As much as they'd miss Brenda Warner's radio bits' - That line is worth the price of admission alone.
As a Pats fan, I remember Marshall Faulk saying that the team just needs to reload after the loss in the Superbowl. 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
You guys filmed our walkthrough. I’m never going to let that go.
@@declanssportsdesk I don’t like the patriots but saying they filmed your walkthrough is idiotic
@@declanssportsdesknever going to let go of something that was proven to have never happened 😂🤣
Marc Bulger was honestly a talented QB. St. Louis's lack of anything resembling an offensive line and talent around him (other than Steven Jackson) made him look awful. He got absolutely smeared into the ground every single game. Honestly think he could have won a championship if he had any tools around him or even decent coaching.
It was mainly the lack of an OL. Holt was in his prime, Bruce was still serviceable and they had Jackson and what was left of Faulk in the backfield. Things really got bad when they lost Nutten, Timmerman and Pace in the span of 2 years. That OL was a sieve after that.
2008 Phillies. Looked like they'd be a dynasty before they collapsed.
Max No as a Phillies fan, we could’ve had it all from 08-11. It’s a shame that our prospects never really developed and we signed players to poor contracts.
Once Ryan Howard's Achilles snapped in the final game of the 2011 NLDS that was it for the Phillies.
Rueben Amaro was a horrible GM that ruined that team. Ryan Howards contract was one of the worst in baseball history. Then lets not forget the genius of trading for Cliff Lee, letting him walk at the end of the year, and then trading for him again the very next season. Dude had no clue what he was doing.
@@boletus2001No Lee was traded to Seattle after 2009 and Lee signed with the Phillies in 2011 .
Max No This could be a good Collapse for sure. I’ll back this one.
This is my new favorite series from you guys. Love it.
The Rams cut Issac Bruce only for Issac Bruce to become a 49er.
16ktsgamma and cut warner just for him to eventually be a Cardinal
@@riccracc6547 he was a Giant before he became a Cardinal
DJ Trankilo that’s what the word “eventually” was in there for.
Actually they traded him...
Hated seeing Iisac Bruce as a 49er🤬 thankfully he came back and retired as a Ram😁
Look at us now. Superbowl champs!
And now they are super bowl Champs again.
And as of February 13th 2022, the Rams made it back to the top and won the Super Bowl.
Never seen a Rugby video on this channel but:
South Africa vs Japan (2015 World Cup)
One of the legendary nations of Rugby losing to a truly spirited team in the dying moments. Surely that deserves a Rewind.
I hate you 😂🙈
As a kid growing up I loved St. Louis. Blues, Cardinals and especially the Rams. It sucks the Rams couldn’t get it together 2007-2015 never got to see them make a playoff run, but Pujols and Oshie made it okay but still we miss them Rams.
We’re gonna need an update…
The Rams left Los Angeles in 1995 to relocate to St. Louis and 4 1/2 years later became Super Bowl champions, something that they couldn't achieve while being in Los Angeles for 50 years. The Browns left Cleveland I think in 1995 or 1996 to relocate to Baltimore where they were renamed the Baltimore Ravens and became Super Bowl champions in 2001 for the first time a year after the Rams won their first Super Bowl. I guess some NFL teams sometimes need to breath some fresh air in order to achieve success for the first time after trying for so long in their previous cities.
It was so sad to watch the team I became a fan of at 7 years old dissipate like they did over a span of just a few short years. Now, of course, they're in LA. From the 03 season on, it was just brutal. There weren't many bright spots. And what few there were, were eventually wasted. Sigh.
the Pats prevented a Rams Dynasty and a Seahawks dynasty. (technically the Seahawks did)
"Technically"
The Seahawks screwed the Seahawks
yup and the chiefs prevented a chiefs dynasty
Seahawks got lucky because Manning won the MVP award that year. You know if your QB wins the MVP award they fuck up in the super bowl. Same way Russell Wilson did a year later.
@Jake Shattuck
That stat is a small sample size, it's your best player and you have 3 downs to play with.
@@CrowT23 If they ran it all 3 downs, they wouldn't have had enough time on the clock. They had no choice but to throw the ball at least a single time(unless they scored a TD on a run obviously).
Do rewinders for Robert Horry's game winning shots against the Kings in 02 and the Pistons in 05.
That was a dagger in ‘02. Changed the entire series. He misses that shot, Kings are NBA Champs. I’ll back that Rewinder.
I would love to see that! He was one of the best big shot makers of his time. The Lakers don't three-peat without him.
Yeah the Kings got jobbed so not sure what angle we’d go with for 02
What completely missing here is the fact that when March took over the Rams completely lost their ability to draft. The 1999 season was possible not just because of Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk arriving but also a number of years of extremely good Drafting and stockpiling really good players in key positions and fundamentally just building a really solid roster and having great special teams. Enter Mike Martz and that ability to make good drafting decisions was gone. So they lived off the draft pics pre Mike Martz for a while but it caught up with them. Starting with the 2000 draft and first round pick Trunk Candiate, even the skill-position players were not panning out. One of their only good pics was in 2000 when they drafted Marc Bulger.
Dallas Mavericks collapse after the 2010-11 NBA Finals, T-Wolves after KG left, and Lakers after the 2009-10 NBA Finals, Dallas Cowboys after SB XXX collapse
Reminder: Malcolm Butler's GW INT in Super Bowl XLIX (when football season comes around), James White's GW OT TD in Super Bowl LI to cap off a historic 25-point comeback
Update: I really predicted all that, except for the Super Bowl LI rewinder.
These are all really good.
Jesus Aguilar The laker one would be interesting..
Wait till 2022 for the James White TD. There’s a 5-year minimum for these moments to be looked at.
I’m honestly not interested in any of those
Y'all have the Collapse series, I love this. Now do a "Rise" series.
Then they won the super bowl this year lol
Just like the Bucs last year, the Rams have now Rebuilt and Reclaimed a SuperBowl champion. Like I say before SB should make a series called Rebuilt for teams that collapsed then eventually rose again.
The bucs last year are an example
It’s been a long rough road. But always gonna cheer for my Rams🐏
This video gave me so much STL PTSD thank god for McVay reviving this franchise
And now they're champions again, go figure lol.
At the mention of the 2003 Divisional Round, that game would actually make a great rewinder episode. Steve Smith's most iconic catch at the end of honestly one of the wackiest games in playoff history. The fumble touchdown by the Panthers, the Rams comeback, the onside kick, the conservative play calling of Mike Martz at the end of regulation (I'm a Panthers fan and I was beyond baffled at the time as to why he didn't go for the win), the missed field goals (including one after a delay of game nullified a made one for the Panthers), the Ricky Manning interception, then X-Clown
I was at that game as a Rams fan at the time. It was brutal. If it helps, I was for the Panthers in the SB.
Completely forgot that Puma made official NFL jerseys.
Damn near everybody made NFL jerseys lol. Puma, Reebok, Nike, Wilson.. etc etc
Missing fact. Martz was named Head-Coach-In-Waiting before Vermeil "retired". Vermeil then suddenly "retires" in Feb. 2000, right after the Super Bowl, but not before coming out of retirement in 2001 to coach the Chiefs for 5 years. I think Vermeil felt Pressured to leave, and perhaps a bit insulted that the Rams brass and entire world gave Mike Martz 100% credit for the Rams 1999 Super Bowl. Nothing could have been further from the truth. Vermeil and Charlie Army made that team. Warner, Faulk, Pace, Bruce, Holt, Hakim made Mike Martz, not the other way around. If Martz had any brilliance, he would have been successful anywhere else he went, but he was a disaster everywhere that he didn't have those hall of famers.
Vermeil and Army built the Rams from a week, pathetic laughingstock into the best team in the NFL. That 1999 Rams team was dominant on Defense as well. They were 4th in the NFL in scoring defense. They didn't allow a single 100 yard rusher all season. 2nd in Interceptions. Their Special Teams was dynamic with Tony Horne and Az Hakim returning 3 kicks for TDs. The entire team had speed everywhere, and hall of famers on both sides of the ball, with London Fletcher leading the way at MiLB and Grant Wistrom at RE.
Then the Rams forced (pressured) Vermeil out the door. Army was also demoted after the Super Bowl. And that was that..... Martz destroyed the team in one off-season. Yes, its true that Warner, Faulk, Holt, Bruce and Pace kept putting up yards and points - how could they not? But they were physically weak and inefficient under Martz, turning over the ball more than any team in football in 2000 & 2001. In 1999, they were tougher, they ran through tackles, the hit during camp. Under Martz, they played flag football in camp and stopped hitting, in order to avoid injury. Both the offense and defense were tissue paper under Martz. The 2000 Rams defense was one of the worst in NFL history, after being in the top 5 just a year before.
They overcame Martz stupidity in 2001 (last in turnovers, last in turnover margin) and went 14-2. Again, with Warner, Faulk, Bruce, Holt, Hakim - how could you not? Let's not forget, Martz did not have 1 single thing to do with acquiring any of those players mentioned.
They gradually got worse, managing 1 more winning season in 2003 before falling to 8-8 and then the bottom falling out in 2005. Martz had forced Warner out of the organization, and we watched him go to the futile Arizona Cardinals and take them to the last seconds of the Super Bowl.
During the "Martz" era - the Rams drafted 1 ------ let me repeat that, 1 probowler.
The end of the Rams occurred before they had even finished the 1999 season. It was the moment they couldn't wait to announce Martz as "Head Coach in Waiting" as they elbowed the great Dick Vermeil and Charlie Army out the door, or into demoted roles. Vermeil finished the Super Bowl, then told the STL Rams top Brass (John Shaw and Jay Zygmunt) to go fu** themselves.
“Tonight, a dynasty is born baby!”
Oh yes it was.... Just not for the Rams.
Offensive line play declined after 2001
Defense was up and down, some great seasons and some terrible ones
Actually they kept it together pretty well, they made the playoffs in 2003 and 2004.
I'd like to see the collapse video from the '97-99 Denver Broncos.
Dastardly DM you don’t need a collapse episode for that because it can be summed up in 2 events
John elway retires
Terrell Davis tears his ACL and was never the same
Dastardly DM you don’t need a collapse episode for that because it can be summed up in 2 events
John elway retires
Terrell Davis tears his ACL and was never the same
Harry Engel Atwater did leave for the Jets in 1999, but the offensive line was still as good as ever. Look at the productivity of Denver’s running backs in that time period. Olandis Gary had over 1100 yards in 1999, Mike Anderson had damn near 1500 yards in 2000, and Clinton Portis had over 1500 yards in 2002 and 2003. Out of those 3 guys, Portis the only one that was actually good and had success somewhere else
Which part John Elway's retirement video or when Terrell Davis got injured
Harry Engel then the Steelers kicked their asses in Denver to win the afc title and go on to win the super bowl.
As a Bear's fan I despise Mike Martz. If it hadn't been for him and his, by then, antiquated system we might have held on to Greg Olsen for a few more seasons.
I’m honestly waiting for the Dallas Cowboys 90s Dynasty collapse
*EDIT* Wow thanks for likes, anyway just letting anyone reading this I’m a Cowboys fan okay bye👋🏽⭐️ (also I noticed someone saying that it’ll be a chance for cowboys fans to brag about the rings tbh I’m not doing that, I’m reminding cowboys fan that even though we made a dynasty happen and even had a chance for a four peat we fell off fast as hell and never did shit after before we start this season
Read “Boys Will Be Boys” by Jeff Pearlman
Jerry got drunk in an Orlando bar during the 1994 off-season owners meeting that caused him to blurt out that there were 100 coaches who could do what Jimmy Johnson did
Erik Williams’ 1994 drunk driving car accident at LBJ & DNT
12-4 in 1994 but injuries to Emmitt & rookie Larry Allen as well as 3 turnovers turned into 21 49ers points in the first 6 minutes of the NFC Title Game as well as a non-call on Deion Sanders’ interfering with Irvin in the 4th quarter ended the Cowboys bid for a three-peat
Speaking of Deion, he signed with Dallas the following offseason basically putting them up against the cap which was now a thing in the NFL
Troy Airman & Barry Switzer beefed (see Beef History)
“The White House” (again, read the book)
4th & 1 in Philly caused the team to rally to close out the season as well as San Francisco losing at Atlanta on the final Sunday of the season put Dallas in the 1-seed. Green Bay upset the 49ers in San Francisco in the divisional round & Favre threw an interception to Larry Brown in the NFC Championship Game. The same Larry Brown who would pick off Neil O’Donnell twice in Super Bowl XXX (appropriately named given how the Cowboys partied leading up to the game)
Drafts overseen by Jerry the GM... who was also Jerry the Owner... and those drafts from 1994-97 were awful
Aikman’s safety valve Jay Novacek missed all of 1996 due to back problems, retired
Michael Irvin celebrated his 30th birthday with coke & hoes in an Irving hotel, turned into a DFW media circus
Made the playoffs as the 3-seed at 10-6 in 1996 after starting 2-3, including wins over Green Bay & New England who played in Super Bowl XXXI. Lost at second-year Carolina in the divisional round
Passed on Randy Moss in 1998 due to “character issues.” He burns them for 3 TDs on 3 catches on Thanksgiving that season
Trade for Joey Galloway who then tears his ACL in a 41-14 2000 home opener loss to the Eagles who would dominate the NFC East in the 2000s
Michael Irvin spinal cord injury in 1999, Troy Aikman concussions makes 2000 his last season, Emmitt Smith breaks Walter Peyton’s rushing record in a home loss against Seattle in 2002 & signs with Arizona for 2 forgettable seasons
2000-02: 3 consecutive 5-11 years under Dave Campo
Pretty much sums it up
Or the Tom Landry Cowboys collapse
Jerry Jones ruined that roll credits
jasonfire34 It got so bad that Landry was receiving death threats and had to wear a bulletproof vest on the sidelines during one game
Sure, give Cowboys fans more reason to brag about their 5 rings that were won before anyone who uses RUclips or reads SBNation was even born
"Just seven wins is not acceptable for Rams football... so they hired Jeff Fisher!" LOLOLOL
went to high school with some of Faulks family during the Greatest Show's run and they were all genetic anomalies that were put on this planet to play football. That they did, and in high school they were men playing with boys. It was something to see.
"Topping out at 7 wins is just not acceptable for the Rams. So they hired Jeff Fisher"
Haha
I'll have to add that Warner was already 31 by the time 2002 rolled in, since his very first start was when he was already 28 years old (really old for any QB to play their first NFL game), while Bulger was just 25. Not to mention that, while the Rams had a good offensive unit throughout the 3 years, Warner was getting smashed repeatedly in order to keep the plays alive. Plus, I am sure that Martz never wanted Warner as his QB, but had to use him as he was the face of the franchise.
Thing is, Martz wasn't as good a head coach as Vermeil was (check Dick's records with Kansas), and the Rams' draft picks were really inept in that 4 year span. It is the thing that should have happened to the Patriots as well, should Belichick not have been so keen on picking talented players in lower rounds.
The best 3 year offense in NFL History. Period. Fun to watch, really was a circus. Fast and explosive and didn’t let up.
No matter who your team was, if the Rams were on TV, they were a must-watch.
Collapse: Sacramento Kings. From being title contenders in the early 2000s to years of rebuilding.
Can’t even call it rebuilding they just suck period keep making dumb trades and draft decisions
Great content! Makes you realize how fragile the dream of dynasty is. How much luck and happenstance have to play a role while also having the organizational wherewithal to ensure the continuity of victory.
I'm so glad you guys came up with this series. There's something morbidly satisfying about a fall from grace story.
6:01 - "thanks Brenda"... no seriously, THANK YOU!!! bc if you didn't say what you said on the radio then Kurt could've stayed in St. Louis instead of going to NY n then eventually to my Arizona Cardinals where he brought them to a Superbowl!!!
So again, THANK YOU BRENDA!!!
I’m from the future and we won super bowl lvi