While using Garou is undoubtedly the best way we can scale their power, I think Bang has an advantage with fighting Garou because he knows and recognizes what martial arts Garou is doing and can rely on his experience to dodge and counter said attacks. Flashy Flash's fighting style is geared towards ninjutsu, which is more about decisive single strikes (like what is stated in the video, no sword, meaning he is nerfed to an extent) and not drawn out brawls. He is reacting and acting on the spot which is honestly very impressive seeing how long he lasted. If we reverse their roles and put Flashy Flash against lets say a monster on par Garou's strength at the time that uses ninja techniques and him having his sword. I would say that he would perform much better in that scenario.
That’s sometbing I considered, however thag would just apply in a fight with Bang. Bang would be able to react to pretty much anything flash throws at him and counter accordingly. His fighting style and speed are kinda a hard counter to his attacks
I do agree that Bang would win and the fight would be much closer than what most people think. Great analysis btw. Excited to see what you cook up next.
bruh wtf you mean flash lasted like 15 seconds lmaooooo (I'm being sarcastic but yeah that is a nice point on how Silver Fang would stand a very good chance against Flashy.)
@@Professor_Fiction This is not true, as the moment Garou awoke it became a goal of his to refine and perfect his own technique [God Killing Fist of Monster Calamity] that would surpass all others then proceeds to use it against Flashy and Platinum S. You can see this in chapter 55 which is also parallel to the webcomic. This is important context to bear in mind as it suggests that even the Roaring Chi Fist of Rending Sky that one-shotted Bang is now inferior to Garou's consciously culminated mix of martial arts into one he calls his own. And on top of improved technique, we also have nothing debunking Darkshine's previous assertion that when Garou is awake, the coordination of his muscles is significantly heightened meaning that his strength and speed are much higher than while unconscious. This is also exemplified by the massive jump in feats he's able to perform. While I enjoy your video, I do think Yacine has the better analysis in this match-up due to his more thorough breakdown of their actual feats
@@magicfoogieA Yeah you're right that he was trying to refine his technique, it was no where near completed by the next couple of seconds when he faced flashy flash and PS, meaning that there Isn't really a big enough difference in that argument to matter in the flash vs bang, as after flash gets just purely overwhelmed, not being able to do any damage or keep up with garou or PS, garou speeds up more, and, while I do agree he did get faster over the course of the fight, (not by much but still) Kind of relativizes bangs reaction time to flashy flashes max speed. As garou was only in the mere gestation stages of his technique during the course of the fight. Also feral garou and sleepfighting garou is not the same. Sleepfighting garou was fighting on instinct, whereas feral garou was monsterized and didnt have human tendencys or traits, (in addition to feral garou using two performance enhancer abilitys during the fight with bang) he was not in the same kind of unconsciousness as he was when he was asleep. So I do agree that bang takes this one.
commonly in martial arts you're reacting to the way someone telegraphs their movement so being able to counter a light speed punch doesn't mean you're actually light speed. also if we gonna go full logic here you can swing a sword at double the maximum speed of your fists so flash with sword = double combat speed of no sword?
Flash’s main attacks are thrusts and dashes. The speed he actually jumps and launches himself at is likely his highest level of speed, and Bang could actually be able to react to that
@@Professor_Fiction even if he dashes at speed of light and he can punch at half the speed of light that's still 2x the speed of light for the slash coming at you.
If we follow the logic of your video, the battle is not for close. If we assume that sleeping garou and awake garou are equally strong (a statement in which I completely disagree). Bang would be on the same level as a garou using his breathing technique. While Flashy Flash was inferior to a Garou who did not use breathing and was also holding back (let's not forget that when Flashy was defeated Garou and Platinum increased their speed, although there are people who believe that Platinum made Garou evolve). Even so, the reason why I believe that sleeping and awake garou cannot be equally strong (apart from the absurdity that it is that someone who is asleep can perform at the same level as being conscious) is that human garou after losing his Monster form thinks he is stronger than bang. Theoretically, Garou is at a level comparable to just before he transforms into a monster. And he is equal or stronger than Bang, just like Garou sleeping monster is equal or stronger than Bang. But current human garou must be weaker than his monster version. There is also the fact that sleeping monster garou appears at the same moment in the story as pre-monster garou of the weeb comic (the one who fights with golden). Then Garou asks Bang to organize fights with heroes. Specifies that if he defeat them in order, he can achieve some awakening. And the roden he gives is bang, bomb (Murata claims that bomb is stronger than bang and in his fight against Garou he was weakened by healing Tank Top, although how Garou would know Bomb's maximum power I don't know, although he is a famous master), flashy flash, blast (maybe a mistake, since he should not fear memories of his fight or maybe he is telling how the one who punched him was blast, although in the same chapter he says that he does not know who it was, but This does not invalidate what is said in my opinion) and Saitama. The order garou provides is unrelated to the order in which he fight them in real life, and says he should fight them in that order. This has some inconsistencies that I already mentioned in the parentheses. It seems like One or Murara himself doing powerscaling and using Garou as a spokesperson, although don't make much sense that Garou has that knowledge (unless they provide us with more context). But in short, it seems that history tells us that flashy flash is stronger than bang. Sorry for the lot of text XD
Why’s it absurd that Garou can perform at his peak in his sleep? Human beings usually aren’t able to fight in their sleep at all, he’s not a normal dude lol. I explain in-depth in the video why he should be at peak performance There’s nothing that suggests current Garou is equal to Bang. And nothing suggests Garou is weaker than his monster self. We don’t know how strong current Garou is And Garou is just saying he needs to fight his opponents again to try and achieve his God Fist again, that doesn’t necessarily mean the order of opponents dictates strength. Garou does believe he fought Blast, because everyone thinks that when naked Saitama punches Garou at the end, it was really Blast. But Garou says Blast before Saitama, despite the fact “Blast” one shot him lol. In that same scene he also says Bang is the only person good enough to train with him I suggest if you want to have a better conversation about this, you join my discord server linked in the description
@@Professor_Fiction The fact that he can use martial arts does not indicate that he is using them to their full potential. It is not illogical to think that a garou who could not yet combine the martial arts of bomb and bang while asleep could not use any. And after a garou is about to fuse his martial arts and it's already skillfull than before, when he's asleep, he can use them. Furthermore, the fact that the breathing technique allows him to use 100% of the power of his muscles and even more, is not compatible with his muscular coordination being lower than when awake. But hey, if you continue to defend the idea that sleeping and awake garou are equally strong, then bang directly destroys flashy and is far superior. And the first chapter Garou says that Bang is the only one who can keep up with him. Later, Bang tells Garou that he thinks he is stronger than him? They certainly give the idea that garou and bang are currently relative to each other. Later, when Garou faces Balst, he knows that Saitama was still not giving his all. So you can have the idea that Blast, even having defeated him in one blow, is still inferior to Saitama (even so, Garou in the chapter itself says that he doesn't know who defeated him). And garou says that he has to fight them in order. If he does so, he believes he can reach a certain level of awekening. He talks about having to fight. on them in order. And whenever Garou has improved he has faced stronger opponents. It would make no sense to specify the order in which you want to face them and say that it must be in that order if it had no relevance. And I'm not an English speaker, so a discord debate would be a bit complicated
@@Professor_Fiction It's absurd because the narrative tells us the exact opposite through the *conscious* formation of his God Killing Fist of Monster Calamity which would surpass all other styles including the one that one-shotted Bang. Let's assume for a second that there's *zero* change to Garou's strength and speed as well as the coordination of his muscles (even though Darkshine said the exact opposite) and let's instead examine Garou's headspace to truly judge whether it affected his fighting capability... While he was unconscious, all Garou could really do was mimic the styles he had learned while dreaming that he was taking lessons from Bang. The fact that his mind internally could not register that he was engaged in a fight with Bang but rather that he was just receiving simple instruction really speaks to Garou's mental place. He didn't treat it really as a fight which is a pretty wild contrast to Flashy and Platinum S.
@@Professor_Fiction No man, that's very unlikely and simply not true. There is not a proof, given Garou wasn't going as fast against Bang as when he was fighting Flashy. Even if Bang was "faster" (not by a lot) than Garou. Saying Garou didn't get faster (or stronger for that matter), when he woke up is just stupid.
@@ultimateflower4895It ain’t stupid at all. The only difference between Garous fight with flashy and his fight with bang is that in the later fight he resorted to using his travel speed which showed us how fast he can travel. Using that to say he got faster is the same thing as you seeing someone box in the ring and them later being able to sprint around the track while jumping through hurdles and then using the later feat to claim this boxer gained greater speed. The issue with that claim is that it ignores the possibility that the boxer already possessed this speed, rather then being proof that he got amped.
Are you implying Bang can move at the speed Garou and Platinum sperm were moving at? The difference in speed gives the advantage to flashy already. The moment flashy realized Platinum and Garou were faster than him he was able to dodge a kick from Garou, even if he was faster so why wouldnt he react to Bang? (in chapter 156) The Garou that Flashy fought was a lor faster than when he fought Bang. (and Flashy could still react to him).
@@Professor_Fiction Bang wasn't that many times faster than Garou when they fought (had he'd been faster Garou never would've touch him). Even then the Garou that fought flashy becmae many times than when he was fighting bang. You are givinh him way too much credit saying he could fight an even stronger version of Garou, when he was barely keeping up with the sleeping one.
@@Professor_Fiction Darkshine would disagree. If the coordination in his muscles is reduced when asleep, that would of course mean he'd be weaker and slower than if he were fully conscious.
As always this video has terrible powerscaling: 1.- Garou gets stronger as the fight goes on, Bang noticed this when they were fighting as he noticed he was performing attacks that only he and Bomb could do together, and he said it was a side effect of Garou turning into a monster... Also: THE MOMENT GAROU WOKE UP, BOMB (WHO UP TO THAT POINT WAS WATCHING HIS FIGHT WITH SILVER FANG, WAS SHOCKED, YOU CAN SEE IT ON HIS FACE). That alone would more or less prove he got indeed stronger. Also if you didn't notice it was so fast the manga had to put the clock and milliseconds there. 2.-Bang was barely keeping up with Garou and was bathing in his own blood. 3.-Garou had regeneration so even if the claim of how super strong the Exploding heart release fist was this still has no real value, Darkshine's tackle nearly killed Garou and he got back up (and this was when Darkshine was more powerful than Garou, Here Bang and Garou were evenly matched as Bang was having trouble. 4.-The scale of the Garou vs Platinum vs Flashy Flash fight is several times larger in speed and scale, Bang would've never kept up with them, even if Flashy couldn't he still did more tham what Bang could ever hope. 5.-Every point in the constelation is a point where they clashed or where they were jumping around the debbrie. And Flashy was able to last a lot and withstand a lot of physical damage from both Garou and Platinum (even if Garou didn't want to kill him, Garou in all of his previous battles, brutalized the heroes he fought against, he didn't do with Darkshine because he saw his self insert). 6.-Garou performed the God Calamity Slayer fist on Platinum and Garou at the end of chapter 155 (and that fist includes the exploding heart release fist). How could Bang would even defeat Flashy with the exploding heart release if Flashy was able to withstand that technique (with a lot of others and kept fighting after that). How do people listen at your bs as if it was the truth? Like seriously I know you are likely reading so pls this video is terrible. You would only get the absolute support from the bang wankers of reddit 🤮.
You contradict yourself in almost everything you say lol, “bang barely kept up”-“bang and Garou were even” Join my discord, it’s there for people like you. I’m not gonna engage in month long comment wars
@@Professor_Fiction Brother Bang was at His limit, he didn't have the Stamina to keep up His Battle with Garou, he was a bloody mess and the only thing that could've give him the advantage was to use the exploding heart release fist (but Given Garou got regenaration that wasn't going to win him anything). It doesn't matter how you wanna see It, the fight of the speedsters was several times bigger and Faster. If Bang was having a real Bad Time with a Garou that wasn't going as fast as he was in the speedsters fight then he could've never done anything like Flashy did. Nothing personal but i don't use discord, i may join but i may not use It.
Cockroach isn't stated as the speed of light, it's just him having instincts as to his opponents next move, like if I knew you were going to punch me and I dodge, it's not because I'm faster than your fist, it's because I knew where you were going to punch. If you pointed a gun at my head and you told me you were going to shoot me in 2 seconds, then I move, I'm not faster than you're bullet, I just know where you're going to shoot, same principal. ik ik run on sentences. If you see this then pls respond.
@@Sam5D "my body senses killing intent and dodges on its own in advance" "... even if you could attack at the speed of light, you still couldn't hit me" idk man maybe it's headcannon but to me that sounds more like him saying he has spidey senses rather than an actual statement of him being lightspeed
@@SuperKamiGuruu not sure, never watched dbz, but goku has shown ls feats, pretty sure ac hasn't. Regardless, there'd be no purpose to pointing out that your reflexes are ls if you were yourself also ls, it's like saying "I'm so cool because my reflexes surpass light speed" when in reality your normal speed surpasses light speed anyway. I could be wrong, that's just how I see it
@@Pappycap74 "Even if you could attack at the speed of light , you still couldn't hit me." he would need to be pretty damn close to LS to dodge a LS attack
Also claiming Garou never got stronger after his fight with Bang is braindead. Garou in all of his previous figts got stronger. While fighting Rover While fighting Orochi While figthing Darkshine While figthing Bomb And when He fought Bang. Bang said he was getting more skilled by performing greater attacks that only he and Bomb could do together. And when he woke up he got faster and stronger. Bomb who was watching his fight with Bang never reacted like he did when Garou woke up, and it is something you can see in chapter 154. Claiming he didn't got stronger is just bias in your part. The whole point of Garou's Journey is that he got stronger after every fight, until he fought the only he could never defeat. Garou got stronger after every fight and even while figthing Saitama even if he didn't win. Also claiming Bang could speedblitz The monsters like Garou did is braindead because Vomitted Fuhrer Ugly was about to melt Bang had it not being for Garou. How do f, do you think Bang could withstand the acid if Even Darkshine got burned and his skin is by far stronger than that of Bang. Like seriously.
You completely missed/ignored what I said. The context of how Garou gets stronger depends on the fight. Against Spring Mustachio he learned how to fight sword users. Against Darkshine he got physically stronger and better precision. What does he have to gain against Bang? He’s already physically stronger. He’s already more skilled. Bang never said he’s GETTING more skilled, the Sky Aura Ripping Fist is sometbing he already has. In an earlier fight Garou used the Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist, which is a better version of the Sky Fist. Garou just finished the fight using his strongest move. That’s like saying Goku gets stronger in a fight by using the Kamehameha Bomb could just be shocked that Garou saved Bang before Fuhrer Ugly melted him. He didn’t get stronger against Spring Mustachio. He didn’t get stronger against Red Nose. Context matters Bang was literally on the ground 😭 how’s he supposed to blitz someone when he’s so best up he can’t even move? By your logic just cuz someone can blitz Saitama in his sleep means they would blitz him when he’s awake I never said Bang would withstand acid
@@Professor_Fiction Bruh Vomitted Fuhrer Ugly Is covered in His own acid. How could Bang Blitz him if he doesn't have any range attacks? By being covered in acid, this means It doesn't matter If Bang Blitz him he can't possibly touch him without getting melted. Why would Bomb be shocked Garou saved Bang? The point of chapter 153 was to show how strong Garou got. Even the clock and the milliseconds were added andGarou got way stronger in His fight against Flashy Flash and Garou. If you compared the 2 fights It Is clear as day the fight of Platinum, Garou and Flashy was Faster and bigger in scale. How could Bang even move or react to such blitzing speed? (He was having trouble with a slower Garou) the speedsters fights was several times lagers and Faster than what Garou's fight with Bang was. And Freaking Bang was on His limit. Even if he had the advantage over the sleeping Garou. If he was having trouble with a Garou that wasn't as fast and powerful as he was when he fought Platinum and Flashy (and that was sleeping on top of all). How does he even stand a chance? Like be for freaking real.
@@Professor_Fiction What did Garou gain from fighting Bang? His humanity. Bang's whole arc and his reason for participating in the Monster Association raid was to save Garou from the brink of full monsterization and preserving his humanity. He succeeded but unfortunately could not restore Garou's broken human flaws. Against Flashy and Platinum S, he gained the God Killing Fist of Monster Calamity which would surpass all other styles. And against Sage Centipede, he would perfect it and symbolically pass his very first and final hurdle. Until it all came to a head with Saitama. Camerapunk is right in that virtually every fight Garou has participated in, he's gained something from it and gotten stronger.
@@magicfoogieA The God Slayer Fist was incomplete at the time of Garou naming it, and he was already using that same incomplete style against Bomb and Bang before then, as Bomb says he's using a style that's a merging of multiple styles into one.
@@dull1831 Still the version he used against Bomb and Bang was inferior because he was only using 3 styles. -Water stream Rock Smashing Fist -Whirldwind iron cutting fist -Exploding heart release. (The sky ripping Aura and the crossfang dragon slayer fist are a combo of the Rock smahing fist and the iron cutting fist). Plus he was sleeping and not using his full potential while performing against Bang. Plus no way you wanna see it, but he became stronger after waking up in chapter 154 (even Bomb was shocked when he speedblitzed the cadres, he never reacted that way during the Bang & Garou fight). And in chapter 155 Garou went even faster than what he did in chapter 154. Plus when he did the early God slayer fist on Platinum and Flashy he used 11 styles merged together. Add that to the fact he wasnt sleeping and for sure he was faster (i would say stronger too, but you gonna say "uh no real evidence" despite the fact he got stronger after every fight, as he had an exponential power growth. Platinum and Flashy both Tanked a more powerful attack than what Bang ever did (and they tanked it because they both kept fighting until chapter 156).
Terrible video, the story put a literal timer on the screen to emphasize Garous strength after waking up why would they do that if he didn't get any stronger
The purpose of the timer is never stated or made clear. I’d argue, he’d been capable of those feats the entire time. You need to provide evidence that the timer means a strength increase
@@Professor_Fiction common sense tha the writers placing a timer on the screen means that they are emphasizing the strength of a character, why would they do that immediately after he wakes up? To show that he got stronger.
I just don't see Bang performing as well or better than flash in his fight with Garou and platinum. Garou insinuated flash was stronger when he says he wants to fight bomb Bang flash and Saitama in order to reach an awakening without Monsterification. Garou while awake was without a doubt MUCH more powerful than asleep.
@@Professor_Fictionthe connotation of garou starting to make light trails above the city and blitzing two cadres as soon as he wakes up definitely got me thinking he got way stronger after waking up while it is not like the moment when he woke up with DS it still can be a comparison to tell us that he is stronger it isnt even that crazy considering it is a phase between needing near death experiences to evolve and passively getting stronger just because there is someone stronger, in fact, in the three way fight at the end it is stated garou is "accelerating forever" so if we see FF reactions through the fight we can see he could react and go directly against them hundreds of times but then he could barely react some panels, so it is logical to think garou and PS were accelerating to a point FF was left behind so even if bang and FF started with the same garou FF was defeated while he was fighting an accelerated garou (who was probably also getting stronger and more skilled)
Just ignoring the massive difference in power between sleeping garou and awake garou makes zero sense . Take for example his fight with darkshine . He was even with darkshine until he woke up lmao . This video is just not accurate . I applaud your efforts but your missing some really obvious points here .
Also man i posted this in a yacine vid. But claiming Characters like G4 Genos and Awakened Cockroach can be lightspeed is just plain braindead. Consider that at lightspeed you can travel around the world 7 times in a second. How would they even achieve this? Like seriously. And not they aren't as fast The S class heroes had to work together to take down Psyorochi (Bang, Atomic, Darkshine, Genos, Drive Knight, Puri Puri, Tank Top Fodder). Genos and Drive Knight were the only ones that could chase that thing and keep up with the others were like a support. If you compare this to the speedsters fight of Platinum, Garou and Flashy. It is clear as day they weren't as fast. (That feat makes faster than light with actual proof as they were fighting all on the sky of Z city in fractions of a second and nobody knew it was them. The helicopter that was recording the fight of the Jetpsyrochi and just because they saw it, it means they weren't as fast as the speedsters. Again claiming G4 Genos and Awakened Cockroach could be lightspeed is just dumb. Given all the feats of the story Genos dodging lasers and Awakened Cockroach "dodging light" because he had increased senses could that could predict danger (like the spider-sense). Pls is like you don't read the story at all and just overscale the feats to oblivion.
I didn’t say Genos or Awakened Cockroach run at the speed of light. Dodging light doesn’t instantly make you like speed in running speed. I was saying they have the reactions to dodge light
@@Professor_Fiction Nah bruh to Dodge they would have to be a fractions of the speed of light and at that point of the story they weren't (and they were demon level). If Flashy in Dragon level Is One of the fastest heroes and One the few that Has lightspeed and Faster than lightspeed feats, then how could 2 demon level threats compare to just "react" to a lightspeed attack. It's very questionable Given the jump from Demon to Dragon Is exponentially More powerful. Awakened Cockroach had like "precognition" because of his increased senses. But i mean as far as the scale of power works even a low Dragon would kill him. (And not all Dragons are as fast as Flashy or even close).
@@yesyes2736 He didnt said that. If you wanna quote it do it right: "I'll tell you in advance, even if you could attack at the speed of light, you still wouldn't hit me. My body senses killing intent and dodges on its own advance" As the actual translation of Cubari (that is by far more accurate than the Viz Translation). Even Awakened Cockroach implies Genos can't move at the speed of light and even if he could it says his body dodges on its own. (I mean to me that means he can predict danger, but not move at the speed of light himself). Again nothing suggest they can move at lightspeed. At lightspeed you can travel around the world 7 times in a second Genos and the cockroach don't come close to that level of speed.
@@CameraPunk5049 Okay so a few things to note, first off, theres no way your using real-world logic to argue anime, of course the feats dont make perfect sense. Kind of like how flashy flash moving at the speed of light would mean he would also have night vision cause of visibility issues, or saitama outspeeding flashy flash while hes seriously trying to shake him off, in which case, theoretically, they should have either crashed into a wall or SHOULDNT EVEN BE ABLE TO CONVERSE since they're breaking the sound barrier easily. But enough of that, heres an issue: awakened cockroaches body even being able to react and proficiently dodge lightspeed attacks, even with some degree of insight, means he blatantly scales relative or somewhat to the speed of light at least on a reaction level. This argument being backed up by the fact that he managed to escape a point blank incineration cannon after it was already like a couple inches from his face if not already touching him by disconnecting his legs and escaping with just his arms, If that doesnt show insane speeds then I don't know what to tell you. Or if we want to lowball it it shows that his muscles or body is more than capable of such lightspeed maneuvering. Not to mention this entire argument is invalidated by the fact that genos pre upgrade could dodge light-based lasers from machine god. So yes, they do, and no, he is not overscaling.
If he’s faster with the sword to such a degree that Bang can’t just intercept it by striking its dull side and deflecting it, then yes, he likely one shots.
@@myusername3689 he has ninjutsus that can confuse the opponent, an example would be tenfold funeral by sonic but flash is capable of the same just on a much denser and greater scale...
That's what I commented on yacine video , bang is not fast in zipping around and manoeuvring around enemies but he is kind of at peak in reacting to anything hitting him and dodging and deflecting that hit and also countering. so yeah, your analysis is superior to other people in my opinion.
Good arguments, I respectfully disagree. A full on assault from even imperfected Godslayer fist should definitely be more powerful than just a graze from Roaring sky bleh bleh fist, a sleeping Garou although fair should still be at the same level of strength and speed, is definitely weaker in terms of skill, the techniques he was using against Bang were on instinct and he was definitely not fighting like an awake Garou would, and sure Flashys attacks with his hands and feet aren't that good his attacks with a weapon should be a very serious treat. Bang should have the reaction speed and combat speed to hang with Flash, skill to outdo him, but his AP is not good enough to put down flash, and flash needs to hit like one Flashy Slash to kill him, and although Bang can hang in speed with flash, flashy is definitely still way faster than him in movement speed, the speed feat he showed is too great to be even compared to a Bang vs Sleeping Garou, a Garou again I say that was moving, attacking and using techniques on instinct. So yeah fair its a close fight, but Flashy should be able to win 7/10 times.
Guys, badminton players, just as an example, can react to smashes coming at more than 200 km/h speed, while of course they cannot run at the speed of 200 km/h. So yes, it is possible to react to things much much faster than our movement speed while moving much slower. If a normal human can react to 200 km/h of a very little shuttle and sand it back, than surely Fang can react to light speed attacks
@@aminebelhaddad5782 Didn't platinum sperm and garou speed up right after FF got kicked out of the fight? And while the resulting strength calcs of their feats are debatable, bang almost certainly DOES have *more* feats than FF. FF only has the octopus, 2 ninjas and the fight with PS and garou. Bang has the fight with melzegard, elder centipede, rover, asteroid, garou twice, young bomb and more I probably didn't think of. That's 3 vs 7. You seem to be wrong on both accounts
bang wasnt on the level of sleeping garou even if he was definitely closer to him than FF was to cracked garou (at least by the end of the fight) i still think FF blitzes bang tho
I think the argument of why people say garou vs flashy flash and plat s is stronger than the one that fought bang is because awakened garou is more refined and more powerful than the one that fought bang
While awakened cockroach why just hyping himself up and beams are not lightspeed generally + they curve which light does not do, flashy flash has an onscreen feat of being FTL, also the guide books that talks about him being the fastest was also talking about his slashes the sentence prior connecting the two, so id say flash wins Plus since garou using the martial art hes more skilled with only scratched bang, which technique wouldnt apply as much as an imperfect proper punch against flash, it also makes sense that garou would use the more effective martial art even if its not his most comfortable
Idk why this is a debate. Bang humiliates Flash. Being unconscious and asleep are different things first, and it was OBVIOUSLY implied that sleeping Garou was weaker then awake Garou when he went from doing nothing to dark to humiliating him plus the added context saying he was stronger after we woke up.
Saying flash fought the stronger Garou is laughable, because he fought the weaker one. Unconscious Garou is exactly what it seems to be. he has no thinking or hesitation besides pure instincts, desires, and intent....Kill Master Bang. Kinda like Itoshi Rin vs Japan's U-20 national team when he went destroyer flow. He lost consciousness and beat Itoshi Sae by a hairs breath because he "obeyed my instincts".
Now onto why Bang is stronger then unconscious Garou. Bang and Garou even each other out with awakening breath at the start. Garou never hit a fatal or even worrisome hit on Bang (until). Only two kinda hard hits. When Bang tired to combo Garou in the beginning, trying to slam him down, Garou countered (countering is less impressive then beginning the attack) and Bang got up just fine and compliments Garou. The other is when he got overwhelmed with rapid attacks and got sent back various meters. But Bang said he made progress and with a smile on his face said watch Bomb as he was gonna kick Garou's ass (never did Bang think he'd lose). The ONLY reason Bang lost was because Garou used a powerful forbidden technique which barley grazed him. Oh. Lastly. Uh. Bang could have killed him despite all Garous multipliers
Pretty Based, but I disagree with a few things. I think FF wins more times than not. Firstly you saying Bang would read Ff like a book by the fact he read Garou like a book. You forget that Bang was Garou’s teacher, and taught him water stream and is very familiar with Bombs technique. Bang said himself you can’t teach an old dog new tricks, so I doubt he can learn a completely different style like a book. I see FF as similar to a prime Bang, as he is in his prime age and has just about mastered ninjutsu. Bang of course has accumulated more skill, but has lost his sharpness that he once had as he stated. Endurance will be a major factor with characters near each other level, and Bang lacks endurance as he stated he gets tired quickly now as an old man in an OVA PS also said “so this is the level a mere human can reach”, which I think puts the nail in the coffin. I argue FF is the best well rounded, Atomic is the best swordsman but is overly reliant on his sword, and Bang is the most skilled but lacks endurance due to his age.
I didn’t watch the vid yet but my take going into this is that Flashy should take it. Gonna be a somewhat long breakdown but instead of editing I’ll just reply to this comment if anything in the vid makes me change my mind on the verdict or any of the points He’s got better durability and speed feats, and most likely has better physical strength scaling than Bang, and that’s without his sword which dramatically increases his AP and can block attacks that can shred through his durability I believe that Sleeping Garou is inferior to Awake Garou even in terms of stats based on the Darkshine showings, but even if we disregard that- Bang’s durability was ‘low’ (air quotes) enough to get one shotted by Garou merely grazing his body, and the shockwaves from Garou’s blows could pulverize his bones if they hit. And he did end up losing to his chest getting grazed by a punch Thus most likely means his physical strength doesn’t exactly stack up to Garou as much as his technique is able to redirect and not take the full force of Garou’s attacks. The counter point is Bang’s punch cracking Garou’s shell, but WSRSF redirects the opponents own strength and sends it back at them either 2 fold or higher as Bang mastered it way better than beginning of the Hero Hunt Human Garou did. And speed wise, One and Murata made it a point to show that the speed of Garou during the Platinum and Flash fight was on another level compared to anything we’ve seen from him before, and the constellations was just travel/movement speed. As for Flash, his physical durability is high enough to take direct hits from Garou, and even if you say he wasn’t using the same techniques he used against Bang at first, Flash took an entire barrage from MCGSF which combined every martial art Garou knows into one, so it would include the shockwaves that could pulverize Bang’s bones and the level of explosive strength that could graze Bang and one shot him. So flash has better durability Usually physical durability and physical strength go hand and hand, so Flash should be superior there too, but even if we say his strength shouldn’t automatically scale, he was able to clash with Garou and suppressed Platinum S (Garou wasn’t suppressed per say, as much as he was evolving in the battle), and Flash was also able to draw blood from Platinum S with punches. Platinum S was stronger than Garou when they first started fighting, and Platinum S is a pure physical character with no energy system based power, so while he can suppress his speed and striking power, his durability should remain constant unless they’re a special case like Darkshine who can amp his durability by flexing etc As for speed wise, the 3 were able to exchange several blows in the midst of those constellation sequences so their actual combat and reaction speed scales higher than the actual constellation’s speed, whatever that may be. And it’s pretty clearly implied that it’s on another level of speed compared to anything Garou has shown before…in which he was just matching Bang in speed Last but not least, skill. Bang is most likely more skilled than Flash based on merit in the same way Flash should be faster than Bang based on merit (and feats/scaling), but Flash should be relatively close, considering the fact that while he was on the losing end, he was able to have several hundred (based on the constellations and what not) exchanges with an awake…so more skilled Garou than the one that fought Bang, and fighting Flash and Platinum forced Garou to evolve his skill and technique even more to create MCGSF. And that’s Flash using purely hand to hand when he’s primarily a swordman, so if we take overall skill with his sword into account, the gap between him and bang is even more narrow skill wise
The mistake you made is your failure to realise that Monster Garou abd Cracked Garou are two different forms. Yes, they are different levels in Garou's evolution. Garou does not simply "wake up" after beating Bang. He wasn't asleep at all. His body had undergone MONSTERIZATION and after Bang managed to break through his armour he had DE-MONSTERIZED. That's the entire point of the fight - Bang attempting to reclaim the humanity within Garou and bringing him back from his monster form. Remember the chapter where Fubuki, Bang and Bomb faced Do-S and her monster slaves. That's when it became Bang's mission to fight and save Garou from becoming a monster. And this he was successful in at the end of his fight with Monster Garou. So your argument about Garou simply gaining better muscle coordination because he had woken up from his slumber (as was the case when he faced Darkshine) isn't correct because Garou did not wake and instead transformed back to a human. Also, it is very much like Garou to grow in strength after facing and overcoming a challenging opponent. Bang definitely was in control during the entirety of the fight and his role as the master to Garou definitely made him a significant obstacle in Garou's path. So it makes sense why he'd suddenly become so kuch stronger and therefore it is obvious that Flashy did face an overwhelmingly more powerful version of Garou. Further, if the mangas authors really wanted to show us that Monster Garou and Cracked Garou were comparable in terms of their overall abilities, they could simply showcase much more impressive feats of speed and power in the Garou vs. Bang fight, so that it would seem a lot closer to the three-way light speed clash in terms of scaling. They would not want the readers to come up with unnecessarily complicated theories just to make sense of a fight. The visual evidence too is strongly in favour of Flashy being leagues above Bang, as it shows him to be capable of tanking hits from Garou using God Slayer Fist, shows Platinum S' concern over his abilities even when he was greatly weakened and most of all, it shows that these characters were moving at such speeds that their trails created geometric structures of light which could be seen by everyone on the battlefield. Had Bang show any feats of speed nearly as impressive as Flashy's, said feat would have also been emphasised the same way Flashy's was. Therefore, for the many many reasons that i have listed here, your argument doesn't work.
I think Bang wins Mid-high diff, he's just the superior martial artist and I dont think monster Garou is weaker than Gouketsu. This is all speculation though, since Gouketsu doesn't have any definitive feats other than him being at least a mid dragon and no stronger than high dragon.
@@SSJBlueVegito Im pretty sure cadre just means a dragon, doesn't have to be high dragon, for example Nyan (mid dragon). I do think Gouketsu is high dragon, but we can't really say for sure, his only feat was him toying with Bakuzan who's presumably a low dragon. In the webcomics, Bang one shot gums and fuhrer ugly. In the manga he didn't kill them but he sure did make quick work of them and made them look weak. Mons Garou one shot vomitted fuhrer ugly (high dragon), which means Bang probably could've done something similar since he was going toe to toe with him.
The thing with Bang is he can make up for "lack" of stats through martial arts and pure skill, he can keep up with faster opponents by moving and reacting before they even start moving, that's how Garou also countered Saitama even when Saitama was going even faster than him both in the webcomic and manga. I feel like the match up is still pretty bad for Bang as he would deal against opponents like Darkshine better than against Flashy Flash but that would only apply if Flash has his sword, without it Bang stomps and with it it's close but Flash wins, on the other hand I feel like Flash would lose against Darkshine due to lack of offensive power while Bang would definitely be able to break through with exploding heart release and awakened breath.
@@Professor_Fiction brother I'm sorry but i unfortunately don't have time good enough to see the vid ( I'm sure it's goated ) but I don't see any way in which bang's doin thing to garou cause garou had the light speed feat after his fight with bang and he was evolving with time. Flashy flash should destroy him
Sonic is not even close to them. Just remember how he got blitz by gale wind and hellfire flame. The same monsters that Flashy Flash overpowered and chop easily
I reckon with the breathing technique, Bang wins but without, Flashy flash wins. I don't think Bang is as fast as flashy flash but I do think his reaction speed is around the same if not slightly supperior. I'm going for flashy flash wins 6/10
Considering flashy flash was actually going blow for blow against 2 of them, flashy flash is way more tanky than bang. Who what flashy flash could have done if he had a sword
I thank that the reason flash is considered faster is bc of that how much emphasis was put on speed in the battle royal with FF PS and Garou. Aslo when Garou attacked all of the monsters beforehand as King was doing his "ultimate move". In garous fight with bang, I feel like more emphasis is but on fighting skill and combat abilty. I understand that throught scaling you could say that Bang could hypothetically do move like FF but I think that murata and one, in the three way fight, were really trying to point out that this is a fight that is taking place waay faster than anything seen before. In my opinion Flash is faster, but this was a well made and thought out video and I respect your opinion.
silver fang fought whilst holding back no to kill a unconsious monster garou who has the fullest intention of killing a person whilst flashy flash tho doesn't have his main weapon strugled against a consious garou who would never kill a human by a million chance so yeah i think silver fang still have the upper hand here
@@Depressed_until_dead idk, DJ music man, plush the glam rock animatronics could pose a threat, so could the blob. There's also the question if the puppet could pull some hacks
I didn't bat an eye to thinking about this fight, but I was thinking about a dozen ways how either could come out on top. Grand video, sir. Recommendation: I think it would be interesting to see Saitama vs The Rest of the Hero Association. The outcome would be quite obvious and it would be a pretty long video, but it would be cool to see in what situations Saitama would get closest to losing if the rest of the Hero Association worked together.
It would be a pointless video to make since Saitama can beat the entire S class heroes with his pinky. Even Blast was stated that he can beat the entire S class all at once if they all tried to gang up on him so imagine what Saitama would do to them.
How would you think the battle would turn out if Bang decided to also use Exploding Heart Release Fist? Would it change anything at all or just leave it the same?
I didn't get a reply last time, but I can't find the official manga for OPM? I view fan versions but they leave some panels out and I'd really love to read over the original text
@@arin7776 that was a hax attack garou used the explosive heart release fist which caused bangs heart to stop for moment which caused bang to becoming unconscious
I appreciate this analysis. This is the first time I've seen someone actually acknowledge the difference between combat speed and movements speed, much less any of the other salient points you've made. Good video!
In garou vs fang bang states that fang had multiple opening to go on the offense with his explosion(?) Fist but refuses because he wants to save garou the same way his brother did and garou had only to focus on bang while flash even with a surprise attack couldnt hit garou
İf we are considering bang as fighting and landing critical hits on full powered monster garou, we will also need to say that Bang is probably stronger than King Orochi. İs he really that strong?
@@dull1831 monster Garou is insanely strong. He can outclass opponents who are lot stronger than Orochi (Sage centipede, Psychoorochi, platinum S(platinum S is debatable)). İf Bang can really hold his own and make critical hits against that kind of a Man, it requires too much strength, speed, durability etc. With that level of power, he must defeat orochi or at least, share the same lvl of power with him. Which seems completely inconsistent
@@buzgolemi612 The Garou he fought and the Garou we see after that fight are not the same. Garou got a lot stronger between his fight with Bang and his fight with Sage Centipede.
Bang snapped garou out of his killing intent. He was arguably "weaker" post bang fight until he transforms further. He was only asleep when he destroyed PPP and then fought Darkshine
Well done man, pretty good video. I knew I wasn’t crazy for thinking that bang would win based on how they performed against Garou. I also like the fact that you bought up that Garou was weaker when he’s sleep due to him being sluggish in technique and the fact he wasn’t sluggish against bang. You my friend are a great power scaler.
Alright a couple of notes: First, I don't think it's fair to say Garou is asleep in the first place, it seems closer to he is monsterised to a state where he can't talk, unlike when he is asleep with Darkshine, he actively uses techniques and adapts with observation, he also remembers what was happening during the fight unlike with Darkshine. Second: Garou wins with worse but relative technique than Bang but has superior power (Bang lands a direct hit, Garou grazes, Bang is deflecting but damage from the shockwaves are adding up). Third: Flashy Flash, is flat outclassed by Garou, he is slower, has worse technique, has less power, additionally, I'd say most importantly we see Garou (who we know has worse technique than Bang) redirect flowing shadow feet. Taking this into account particularly third and second reasons, just as a match up, we know Flashy Flash can have blows redirected by someone with worse skill, there's no reason to assume that Bang with superior skill, wouldn't be able to deflect those same blows.
Garou said he was dreaming about fighting Bang, after blitzing the Dragons. Is not like he remembers, he was subcounciously fighting Bang. (Is not like he was councious). In a way he was aware, but not really. Is like people who talks or does things while they are asleep. I doubt Garou was using his full power, simply because the display of lightrails shows he was for sure faster than when he was fighting Bang. (In that Sense you could argue he was More skilled while awake than when he was sleeping, like with Darkshine as his technique improved once he was awake). Call me crazy but i would say anyone can fight better while awake. This is why a lot of people thinks Flashy fought a more powerful Garou.
@@mikeym.4724 you're right, missed that. Though I still find it weird how he could use techniques and copy them this time while he was unconscious this time, but fair enough. Because of how it was functioning differently I thought it was a 'monster taking over' type thing instead, that way he still had access to techniques but also was becoming more animalistic and couldn't talk, rather than regular unconscious.
@@voxsvoxs4261 He didnt copy any techniques while fighting Bang. He learned the Whirlwind Iron cutting fist when Bang and Bomb jumped him in the battle with Elder centepede (at the end of season 2). Garou learned the Exploding Heart Release fist at the end of his time training with Bang (way before the events of the manga). The Roaring aura sky ripping is a mix between the Water Stream Rock Smashing fist and the whirlwind iron cutting fist (and he peformed early versions of that attack against Orochi and Darkshine). Garou learned The breathing technique (awakened breath) way before the events of the manga (garou used that technique in most of his previous battles). He didnt copy any tachniques of Silver Fang, he already knew all of the techniques before the fight.
@@mikeym.4724 wait he knew awakened breath the whole time? I thought Bang said "Awakening breath, a technique that draws from the very limits of one's body.", "He mastered it from just a glance!?" Might be wrong translation, but that pretty strongly implies he is copying Bang actively.
@@voxsvoxs4261 Bruh he knew the technique from way before. He used the technique against the low Class heroes at the end of season 2 (in the manga this was evident). He used that technique against Orochi and against Darkshine
I mean, if anyone still has any arguements, remember this is a guy who's in his 30s vs an 80+ year old man. Bang in his prime would fold flashy flash over 3 times before he even realizes
Flash is 25, and Bang is specifically stated by the author to get BETTER as he gets older. He's stronger now than when he was Flash's age, and Flash rn is stronger than any age of Bang
@@willkrueger3857Bang gets better at his technique and skill, but his physical stats weaken. Bang when he opened his Dojo after mastering the Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist is likely the most powerful version of Bang. Still strong physically while also having extreme skill even despite his lower experience compared to old Bang.
@@myusername3689 Yeah but flashy is gonna reach his prime later in the manga regardless, he is gonna get a new sword and scrolls with new tecchniques. Plus he is training to be faster, to take on Blast. (according to hellfire and gale in the newest manga chapter, he got stronger).
Been saying this man. I legit have multiple comments I think maybe even in this page explaining myself and everyone always says I’m wrong as if I don’t know what I’m talking about. It’s not that hard to read the manga and it’s mad annoying being called out like I’m not a fan. Validation is sweet
*Finally an accurate video on Bang vs Flash!* Thank you! Bang is literally said to be the best martial artist in the verse, and ninjutsu IS a martial art! And Flash is not even THE BEST ninja in the verse! "That man" is! In other words Bang is stated to be at the top of the whole category, while Flash is SECOND in the same SUBCATHEGORY. I've also being pointing out that Water Fist WORKS ON SWORDS and ANY PHYSICAL ATTACKS, so it doesn't matter if Flash has a sword or not against Bang. Also, your commentary on the whole "sleeping Garou is weaker" controversy was very well explained - one thing I would add, is that Garou, while asleep, was way more dangerous that awakened Garou. Why? Because he had morals off. He almost MURDERED Fubuki, he would've caved her face in if Bomb didn't stop him at the last second. Awakened Garou would never do that. When he was fighting Bang, he was actually trying his best to murder him on the spot. When Garou was fighting Flash, he WASN'T TRYING TO KILL HIM. So he wasn't actually going all out at all. There is no reason to think Flash can win this. All of arguments that go in his favor are either based on hype or completely baseless. My last argument I'd use to prove Flash loses would be his low feats performance. Flash consistently has issues dealing with demon level monsters, which should be unheard of if he is as strong as people suggest that he is. Think about all of the monsters he fought. 100-eyed Octopus? A demon level - he failed to defeat it even though he hit it hundreds of times. Then Tatsumaki comes and one shots it. Gale Wind? He tries to blitz and one shot him SOLO and he fails, even though he had killing intent. That was BEFORE he decided to wait for a 1 hit double KO. Human form Gale is below Sonic level in speed (after redraws, Sonic easily handled both Gale and Hellfire without going into his shadow burial techniques) and is a demon level. Compare that record to Bang, who was shown to kill every single demon level he faced in one combo without fail. Fist Fight Jin? Instant stomp. Human Garou at the dojo? Instant stomp. The reason why everybody claims Flash has superior record to Bang is because he was able to defeat Hellfire and Gale, transformed, at the same time, but somehow everybody keeps forgetting that: - He was nearly killed in that encounter, there are panels of him taking heavy hits and bleeding. It was never a stomp! - He already had troubles fighting them in their human forms, and in context it can be argued they became LESS powerful when they transformed, because of them "abandoning their ninja ways" which can be taken at them dropping in skill, on top of Flash's claim that their human brains can not keep up with their monster speed. And last but not least - after Cosmic Garou fight ends, Garou tells Bang that he will stay with him, because HE IS THE ONLY ONE HE CAN SPAR WITH WITHOUT INSTANTLY WINNING. So he remembers fighting Flash, but thinks he isn't worthy, while Bang is? How much more direct can he be? Talk about scaling to Garou! Ufff!
The instances of Flashy Flash "struggling" with Demon level monsters are always when he's explicitly holding back either his true speed or power. Against Hundred Eyed Octopus, he was moments away from killing the monster before Tatsumaki intervened. And he was explicitly holding back his speed against the ninjas because we see at the end that even after the ninjas abandon their humanity and get stronger ON TOP of their monster forms (which, yes, would make them stronger than before, as they go on to perform better than before), he moves so fast that they're frozen in place while he kicks them and hits them with the Flashy Slash.
@@mitromney I did. Every instance of Flashy Flash "failing" to kill Demons was when he was holding back, so it shouldn't be held against him in a fight with Bang. I also think Bang wins, but not because of that.
@@dull1831are you suggesting when Bang was one shooting Do-S and Djinn he was going all out? He literally had his hands behind his back one second before and one second after, in both fights. No removing his shirt. No emotions shown. No Awakening Breath that allows him to use his body to full limit. No Heart Exploding fist that allows him SURPASS his limits. He was just chilling, one tapping those demons like they weren't even there. Meanwhile Flash has got into extended fights with his demons and consistently failed to dominate them in any way. I'm just bringing it up because everybody keeps talking about their high end feats only, and it's not ALL that matters. You have to take ALL of each character within their context. Hollistically. The difference should be obvious
@@mitromney Not once did I suggest that Bang went all out against Fist Fight Djinn or Do-S, of course he was holding back. What I am saying is that using the feats of Flashy holding back against other characters and then using that as a point for why Bang wins doesn't work because in the context of a vs battle matchup, the two would be trying their hardest to win. I think Flashy Flash's feats against the human ninjas and Hundred Eyes are good to use to establish what he can do on the lower end, but since Flashy Flash would be fighting at full power against Bang in the context that the video is setting up, why would we use feats performed by a Flashy holding back his true speed and power when he's going at full power?
@@LoudYapper Huh I already said Tornado and Blast. If you disagree with the video ok, but he is ranked 3rd even do Flashy Flash is more popular than him so at least in his universe people think he is stronger than Flash.
@@ramonserna8089 they rank heroes based on a lot of things, one being how many people they save, and flashy doesn't fight unless it's against a very big monster or smt, which is why he is ranked so low
I like the analysis and I'm on board. The difference wouldn't be speed, which I estimate actually puts Bang above Flash where we differentiate the speed at which each one excels is Flash's ability to traverse space from one point to the next at light speed and Bang's combat speed which includes the ability to observe, consider a course of action, then execute that course at a speed which would have to be 'faster than light' in order for him to effectively respond to attacks that do occur at light speed, but everything else that makes up the whole combatant, in which case Bang is much more substantially the man and fighter than Flash.
@@arin7776If he's featless explain why Gyoro was so surprised by his death to the point where she thought it would shift her plans for the war. And don't give me the tired "he was a Cadre argument" by her own admission there were multiple hero's capable of defeating Elder centipede and not once was she worried about her plans being insufficient. Her original blueprint *had* a contingency for Elder centipede death but didn't include one for Gouketsu. Infact after Gouketsu's death she had to change the way she thought about the hero assocation altogether. You'll notice later in the arc in the chapters leading up to the raid. Gyoro tells Orochi of her suspicion that the hero assocation have cards higher than S class. But wait. Why would she be under that impression. The only Cadres that died up until that point were Elder centipede and Gouketsu. By her own admission four members of the S class could beat Elder centipede. By process of elimination it's Gouketsu. She would have no reason to believe the hero assocation were concealing such a powerful weapon *unless* they killed an asset of monster assocation that they valued more than Elder centipede. Orochi corroborates this by telling Saitama Gouketsu and Elder centipedes deaths were unexplainable before meeting him.
@@breakingbread9313Gouketsu has literally no feat putting him even close to Awakening Breath Bang or Flashy Flash's speed. At best he's as strong as Rover which still gets absolutely blitzed by Awakening Breath Bang and Flashy Flash. Gouketsu is overrated as hell.
@@PerSon-xg3zrit's almost like you replied into a comment section titled :" Insert headcanon here I'm not even going to address your points because I know I'm right."
finally someone who deosn't underrate bang and doesn't say "flashy flash wins because he fought against both platinum s and garou without his weapon 🤓"
While using Garou is undoubtedly the best way we can scale their power, I think Bang has an advantage with fighting Garou because he knows and recognizes what martial arts Garou is doing and can rely on his experience to dodge and counter said attacks. Flashy Flash's fighting style is geared towards ninjutsu, which is more about decisive single strikes (like what is stated in the video, no sword, meaning he is nerfed to an extent) and not drawn out brawls. He is reacting and acting on the spot which is honestly very impressive seeing how long he lasted.
If we reverse their roles and put Flashy Flash against lets say a monster on par Garou's strength at the time that uses ninja techniques and him having his sword. I would say that he would perform much better in that scenario.
That’s sometbing I considered, however thag would just apply in a fight with Bang. Bang would be able to react to pretty much anything flash throws at him and counter accordingly. His fighting style and speed are kinda a hard counter to his attacks
I do agree that Bang would win and the fight would be much closer than what most people think. Great analysis btw. Excited to see what you cook up next.
bruh wtf you mean flash lasted like 15 seconds lmaooooo (I'm being sarcastic but yeah that is a nice point on how Silver Fang would stand a very good chance against Flashy.)
The difference between Feral Garou and Awakened Garou is technique & decision-making.
The technique is the exact same and decision making wouldn’t play any factor
@@Professor_Fiction This is not true, as the moment Garou awoke it became a goal of his to refine and perfect his own technique [God Killing Fist of Monster Calamity] that would surpass all others then proceeds to use it against Flashy and Platinum S. You can see this in chapter 55 which is also parallel to the webcomic. This is important context to bear in mind as it suggests that even the Roaring Chi Fist of Rending Sky that one-shotted Bang is now inferior to Garou's consciously culminated mix of martial arts into one he calls his own.
And on top of improved technique, we also have nothing debunking Darkshine's previous assertion that when Garou is awake, the coordination of his muscles is significantly heightened meaning that his strength and speed are much higher than while unconscious. This is also exemplified by the massive jump in feats he's able to perform.
While I enjoy your video, I do think Yacine has the better analysis in this match-up due to his more thorough breakdown of their actual feats
@@Professor_Fictionread OPM
@@magicfoogieA Yeah you're right that he was trying to refine his technique, it was no where near completed by the next couple of seconds when he faced flashy flash and PS, meaning that there Isn't really a big enough difference in that argument to matter in the flash vs bang, as after flash gets just purely overwhelmed, not being able to do any damage or keep up with garou or PS, garou speeds up more, and, while I do agree he did get faster over the course of the fight, (not by much but still) Kind of relativizes bangs reaction time to flashy flashes max speed. As garou was only in the mere gestation stages of his technique during the course of the fight. Also feral garou and sleepfighting garou is not the same. Sleepfighting garou was fighting on instinct, whereas feral garou was monsterized and didnt have human tendencys or traits, (in addition to feral garou using two performance enhancer abilitys during the fight with bang) he was not in the same kind of unconsciousness as he was when he was asleep. So I do agree that bang takes this one.
@@Professor_Fiction Have you even seen the Darkshine fight? Sleeping Garou and conscious Garou do NOT perform at the same level.
commonly in martial arts you're reacting to the way someone telegraphs their movement so being able to counter a light speed punch doesn't mean you're actually light speed. also if we gonna go full logic here you can swing a sword at double the maximum speed of your fists so flash with sword = double combat speed of no sword?
Flash’s main attacks are thrusts and dashes. The speed he actually jumps and launches himself at is likely his highest level of speed, and Bang could actually be able to react to that
2x speed is the same if u don't look at the sword
@@Professor_Fiction even if he dashes at speed of light and he can punch at half the speed of light that's still 2x the speed of light for the slash coming at you.
@@Zlyx4523 well the swords whats going to kill you and really the only thing that needs to come in bangs range since flash is faster
If u can deflect a punch at 1x speed u can deflect it at 2x speed
If we follow the logic of your video, the battle is not for close.
If we assume that sleeping garou and awake garou are equally strong (a statement in which I completely disagree). Bang would be on the same level as a garou using his breathing technique. While Flashy Flash was inferior to a Garou who did not use breathing and was also holding back (let's not forget that when Flashy was defeated Garou and Platinum increased their speed, although there are people who believe that Platinum made Garou evolve).
Even so, the reason why I believe that sleeping and awake garou cannot be equally strong (apart from the absurdity that it is that someone who is asleep can perform at the same level as being conscious) is that human garou after losing his Monster form thinks he is stronger than bang. Theoretically, Garou is at a level comparable to just before he transforms into a monster. And he is equal or stronger than Bang, just like Garou sleeping monster is equal or stronger than Bang. But current human garou must be weaker than his monster version.
There is also the fact that sleeping monster garou appears at the same moment in the story as pre-monster garou of the weeb comic (the one who fights with golden).
Then Garou asks Bang to organize fights with heroes. Specifies that if he defeat them in order, he can achieve some awakening. And the roden he gives is bang, bomb (Murata claims that bomb is stronger than bang and in his fight against Garou he was weakened by healing Tank Top, although how Garou would know Bomb's maximum power I don't know, although he is a famous master), flashy flash, blast (maybe a mistake, since he should not fear memories of his fight or maybe he is telling how the one who punched him was blast, although in the same chapter he says that he does not know who it was, but This does not invalidate what is said in my opinion) and Saitama.
The order garou provides is unrelated to the order in which he fight them in real life, and says he should fight them in that order. This has some inconsistencies that I already mentioned in the parentheses. It seems like One or Murara himself doing powerscaling and using Garou as a spokesperson, although don't make much sense that Garou has that knowledge (unless they provide us with more context).
But in short, it seems that history tells us that flashy flash is stronger than bang. Sorry for the lot of text XD
Why’s it absurd that Garou can perform at his peak in his sleep? Human beings usually aren’t able to fight in their sleep at all, he’s not a normal dude lol. I explain in-depth in the video why he should be at peak performance
There’s nothing that suggests current Garou is equal to Bang. And nothing suggests Garou is weaker than his monster self. We don’t know how strong current Garou is
And Garou is just saying he needs to fight his opponents again to try and achieve his God Fist again, that doesn’t necessarily mean the order of opponents dictates strength. Garou does believe he fought Blast, because everyone thinks that when naked Saitama punches Garou at the end, it was really Blast. But Garou says Blast before Saitama, despite the fact “Blast” one shot him lol. In that same scene he also says Bang is the only person good enough to train with him
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@@Professor_Fiction The fact that he can use martial arts does not indicate that he is using them to their full potential. It is not illogical to think that a garou who could not yet combine the martial arts of bomb and bang while asleep could not use any. And after a garou is about to fuse his martial arts and it's already skillfull than before, when he's asleep, he can use them. Furthermore, the fact that the breathing technique allows him to use 100% of the power of his muscles and even more, is not compatible with his muscular coordination being
lower than when awake. But hey, if you continue to defend the idea that sleeping and awake garou are equally strong, then bang directly destroys flashy and is far superior.
And the first chapter Garou says that Bang is the only one who can keep up with him. Later, Bang tells Garou that he thinks he is stronger than him? They certainly give the idea that garou and bang are currently relative to each other.
Later, when Garou faces Balst, he knows that Saitama was still not giving his all. So you can have the idea that Blast, even having defeated him in one blow, is still inferior to Saitama (even so, Garou in the chapter itself says that he doesn't know who defeated him).
And garou says that he has to fight them in order. If he does so, he believes he can reach a certain level of awekening. He talks about having to fight. on them in order. And whenever Garou has improved he has faced stronger opponents. It would make no sense to specify the order in which you want to face them and say that it must be in that order if it had no relevance.
And I'm not an English speaker, so a discord debate would be a bit complicated
@@Professor_Fiction It's absurd because the narrative tells us the exact opposite through the *conscious* formation of his God Killing Fist of Monster Calamity which would surpass all other styles including the one that one-shotted Bang.
Let's assume for a second that there's *zero* change to Garou's strength and speed as well as the coordination of his muscles (even though Darkshine said the exact opposite) and let's instead examine Garou's headspace to truly judge whether it affected his fighting capability...
While he was unconscious, all Garou could really do was mimic the styles he had learned while dreaming that he was taking lessons from Bang. The fact that his mind internally could not register that he was engaged in a fight with Bang but rather that he was just receiving simple instruction really speaks to Garou's mental place. He didn't treat it really as a fight which is a pretty wild contrast to Flashy and Platinum S.
@@Professor_Fiction wasn't there a statement that garou isn't at peak performance when unconscious?
Thinking FF cant react or keep up with Bang's combat speed is wild ngl.
I didn’t say that I just said Bang is faster
@@Professor_Fiction
No man, that's very unlikely and simply not true.
There is not a proof, given Garou wasn't going as fast against Bang as when he was fighting Flashy. Even if Bang was "faster" (not by a lot) than Garou.
Saying Garou didn't get faster (or stronger for that matter), when he woke up is just stupid.
Bang fans are delusional
Yeah bang negs
@@ultimateflower4895It ain’t stupid at all. The only difference between Garous fight with flashy and his fight with bang is that in the later fight he resorted to using his travel speed which showed us how fast he can travel. Using that to say he got faster is the same thing as you seeing someone box in the ring and them later being able to sprint around the track while jumping through hurdles and then using the later feat to claim this boxer gained greater speed. The issue with that claim is that it ignores the possibility that the boxer already possessed this speed, rather then being proof that he got amped.
Are you implying Bang can move at the speed Garou and Platinum sperm were moving at?
The difference in speed gives the advantage to flashy already.
The moment flashy realized Platinum and Garou were faster than him he was able to dodge a kick from Garou, even if he was faster so why wouldnt he react to Bang? (in chapter 156)
The Garou that Flashy fought was a lor faster than when he fought Bang. (and Flashy could still react to him).
He can’t run that fast but he can react and fight that fast
@@Professor_Fiction
Bang wasn't that many times faster than Garou when they fought (had he'd been faster Garou never would've touch him). Even then the Garou that fought flashy becmae many times than when he was fighting bang. You are givinh him way too much credit saying he could fight an even stronger version of Garou, when he was barely keeping up with the sleeping one.
Sleeping didn’t make Garou weaker or slower
@@Professor_Fiction Darkshine would disagree. If the coordination in his muscles is reduced when asleep, that would of course mean he'd be weaker and slower than if he were fully conscious.
@@Professor_Fiction
yeah thats a cap on your part
As always this video has terrible powerscaling:
1.- Garou gets stronger as the fight goes on, Bang noticed this when they were fighting as he noticed he was performing attacks that only he and Bomb could do together, and he said it was a side effect of Garou turning into a monster... Also: THE MOMENT GAROU WOKE UP, BOMB (WHO UP TO THAT POINT WAS WATCHING HIS FIGHT WITH SILVER FANG, WAS SHOCKED, YOU CAN SEE IT ON HIS FACE). That alone would more or less prove he got indeed stronger. Also if you didn't notice it was so fast the manga had to put the clock and milliseconds there.
2.-Bang was barely keeping up with Garou and was bathing in his own blood.
3.-Garou had regeneration so even if the claim of how super strong the Exploding heart release fist was this still has no real value, Darkshine's tackle nearly killed Garou and he got back up (and this was when Darkshine was more powerful than Garou, Here Bang and Garou were evenly matched as Bang was having trouble.
4.-The scale of the Garou vs Platinum vs Flashy Flash fight is several times larger in speed and scale, Bang would've never kept up with them, even if Flashy couldn't he still did more tham what Bang could ever hope.
5.-Every point in the constelation is a point where they clashed or where they were jumping around the debbrie. And Flashy was able to last a lot and withstand a lot of physical damage from both Garou and Platinum (even if Garou didn't want to kill him, Garou in all of his previous battles, brutalized the heroes he fought against, he didn't do with Darkshine because he saw his self insert).
6.-Garou performed the God Calamity Slayer fist on Platinum and Garou at the end of chapter 155 (and that fist includes the exploding heart release fist). How could Bang would even defeat Flashy with the exploding heart release if Flashy was able to withstand that technique (with a lot of others and kept fighting after that).
How do people listen at your bs as if it was the truth? Like seriously
I know you are likely reading so pls this video is terrible.
You would only get the absolute support from the bang wankers of reddit 🤮.
You contradict yourself in almost everything you say lol, “bang barely kept up”-“bang and Garou were even”
Join my discord, it’s there for people like you. I’m not gonna engage in month long comment wars
@@Professor_Fiction
Brother Bang was at His limit, he didn't have the Stamina to keep up His Battle with Garou, he was a bloody mess and the only thing that could've give him the advantage was to use the exploding heart release fist (but Given Garou got regenaration that wasn't going to win him anything).
It doesn't matter how you wanna see It, the fight of the speedsters was several times bigger and Faster.
If Bang was having a real Bad Time with a Garou that wasn't going as fast as he was in the speedsters fight then he could've never done anything like Flashy did.
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@@CameraPunk5049bro ur such a clown for getting so pressed 😭😭🤡🤡🤡
@@tryhardtale1585
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@@tryhardtale1585
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Cockroach isn't stated as the speed of light, it's just him having instincts as to his opponents next move, like if I knew you were going to punch me and I dodge, it's not because I'm faster than your fist, it's because I knew where you were going to punch. If you pointed a gun at my head and you told me you were going to shoot me in 2 seconds, then I move, I'm not faster than you're bullet, I just know where you're going to shoot, same principal. ik ik run on sentences. If you see this then pls respond.
He is lightspeed sounds like your own form of headcanon
@@Sam5D "my body senses killing intent and dodges on its own in advance" "... even if you could attack at the speed of light, you still couldn't hit me" idk man maybe it's headcannon but to me that sounds more like him saying he has spidey senses rather than an actual statement of him being lightspeed
@@Pappycap74so is Goku not LS because Autonomous movement allows him to move on his own?
@@SuperKamiGuruu not sure, never watched dbz, but goku has shown ls feats, pretty sure ac hasn't. Regardless, there'd be no purpose to pointing out that your reflexes are ls if you were yourself also ls, it's like saying "I'm so cool because my reflexes surpass light speed" when in reality your normal speed surpasses light speed anyway. I could be wrong, that's just how I see it
@@Pappycap74 "Even if you could attack at the speed of light , you still couldn't hit me." he would need to be pretty damn close to LS to dodge a LS attack
Also claiming Garou never got stronger after his fight with Bang is braindead.
Garou in all of his previous figts got stronger.
While fighting Rover
While fighting Orochi
While figthing Darkshine
While figthing Bomb
And when He fought Bang.
Bang said he was getting more skilled by performing greater attacks that only he and Bomb could do together. And when he woke up he got faster and stronger. Bomb who was watching his fight with Bang never reacted like he did when Garou woke up, and it is something you can see in chapter 154.
Claiming he didn't got stronger is just bias in your part. The whole point of Garou's Journey is that he got stronger after every fight, until he fought the only he could never defeat. Garou got stronger after every fight and even while figthing Saitama even if he didn't win.
Also claiming Bang could speedblitz The monsters like Garou did is braindead because Vomitted Fuhrer Ugly was about to melt Bang had it not being for Garou.
How do f, do you think Bang could withstand the acid if Even Darkshine got burned and his skin is by far stronger than that of Bang.
Like seriously.
You completely missed/ignored what I said. The context of how Garou gets stronger depends on the fight. Against Spring Mustachio he learned how to fight sword users. Against Darkshine he got physically stronger and better precision. What does he have to gain against Bang? He’s already physically stronger. He’s already more skilled. Bang never said he’s GETTING more skilled, the Sky Aura Ripping Fist is sometbing he already has. In an earlier fight Garou used the Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist, which is a better version of the Sky Fist. Garou just finished the fight using his strongest move. That’s like saying Goku gets stronger in a fight by using the Kamehameha
Bomb could just be shocked that Garou saved Bang before Fuhrer Ugly melted him.
He didn’t get stronger against Spring Mustachio. He didn’t get stronger against Red Nose. Context matters
Bang was literally on the ground 😭 how’s he supposed to blitz someone when he’s so best up he can’t even move? By your logic just cuz someone can blitz Saitama in his sleep means they would blitz him when he’s awake
I never said Bang would withstand acid
@@Professor_Fiction
Bruh Vomitted Fuhrer Ugly Is covered in His own acid. How could Bang Blitz him if he doesn't have any range attacks?
By being covered in acid, this means It doesn't matter If Bang Blitz him he can't possibly touch him without getting melted.
Why would Bomb be shocked Garou saved Bang? The point of chapter 153 was to show how strong Garou got.
Even the clock and the milliseconds were added andGarou got way stronger in His fight against Flashy Flash and Garou.
If you compared the 2 fights It Is clear as day the fight of Platinum, Garou and Flashy was Faster and bigger in scale.
How could Bang even move or react to such blitzing speed? (He was having trouble with a slower Garou) the speedsters fights was several times lagers and Faster than what Garou's fight with Bang was.
And Freaking Bang was on His limit. Even if he had the advantage over the sleeping Garou.
If he was having trouble with a Garou that wasn't as fast and powerful as he was when he fought Platinum and Flashy (and that was sleeping on top of all).
How does he even stand a chance?
Like be for freaking real.
@@Professor_Fiction What did Garou gain from fighting Bang? His humanity. Bang's whole arc and his reason for participating in the Monster Association raid was to save Garou from the brink of full monsterization and preserving his humanity. He succeeded but unfortunately could not restore Garou's broken human flaws.
Against Flashy and Platinum S, he gained the God Killing Fist of Monster Calamity which would surpass all other styles. And against Sage Centipede, he would perfect it and symbolically pass his very first and final hurdle. Until it all came to a head with Saitama. Camerapunk is right in that virtually every fight Garou has participated in, he's gained something from it and gotten stronger.
@@magicfoogieA The God Slayer Fist was incomplete at the time of Garou naming it, and he was already using that same incomplete style against Bomb and Bang before then, as Bomb says he's using a style that's a merging of multiple styles into one.
@@dull1831
Still the version he used against Bomb and Bang was inferior because he was only using 3 styles.
-Water stream Rock Smashing Fist
-Whirldwind iron cutting fist
-Exploding heart release.
(The sky ripping Aura and the crossfang dragon slayer fist are a combo of the Rock smahing fist and the iron cutting fist).
Plus he was sleeping and not using his full potential while performing against Bang.
Plus no way you wanna see it, but he became stronger after waking up in chapter 154 (even Bomb was shocked when he speedblitzed the cadres, he never reacted that way during the Bang & Garou fight).
And in chapter 155 Garou went even faster than what he did in chapter 154.
Plus when he did the early God slayer fist on Platinum and Flashy he used 11 styles merged together. Add that to the fact he wasnt sleeping and for sure he was faster (i would say stronger too, but you gonna say "uh no real evidence" despite the fact he got stronger after every fight, as he had an exponential power growth.
Platinum and Flashy both Tanked a more powerful attack than what Bang ever did (and they tanked it because they both kept fighting until chapter 156).
Terrible video, the story put a literal timer on the screen to emphasize Garous strength after waking up why would they do that if he didn't get any stronger
To show how fast he was the entire time
@@Professor_Fiction they put heavy emphasis on his speed to show the reader that he got stronger
The purpose of the timer is never stated or made clear. I’d argue, he’d been capable of those feats the entire time. You need to provide evidence that the timer means a strength increase
@@Professor_Fiction common sense tha the writers placing a timer on the screen means that they are emphasizing the strength of a character, why would they do that immediately after he wakes up?
To show that he got stronger.
Or it’s to show how fast he was the entire time
I just don't see Bang performing as well or better than flash in his fight with Garou and platinum. Garou insinuated flash was stronger when he says he wants to fight bomb Bang flash and Saitama in order to reach an awakening without Monsterification. Garou while awake was without a doubt MUCH more powerful than asleep.
No Garou was just as strong in his sleep as he was awake
@@Professor_Fictionthe connotation of garou starting to make light trails above the city and blitzing two cadres as soon as he wakes up definitely got me thinking he got way stronger after waking up
while it is not like the moment when he woke up with DS it still can be a comparison to tell us that he is stronger
it isnt even that crazy considering it is a phase between needing near death experiences to evolve and passively getting stronger just because there is someone stronger, in fact, in the three way fight at the end it is stated garou is "accelerating forever" so if we see FF reactions through the fight we can see he could react and go directly against them hundreds of times but then he could barely react some panels, so it is logical to think garou and PS were accelerating to a point FF was left behind
so even if bang and FF started with the same garou FF was defeated while he was fighting an accelerated garou (who was probably also getting stronger and more skilled)
@@Professor_Fictionabsolutely false, dude
11:00 can we talk about that transition though? That was smooth!
Just ignoring the massive difference in power between sleeping garou and awake garou makes zero sense .
Take for example his fight with darkshine .
He was even with darkshine until he woke up lmao .
This video is just not accurate .
I applaud your efforts but your missing some really obvious points here .
I didn’t ignore him sleeping, i provided numerous reasons I don’t think it weakens him
Also man i posted this in a yacine vid.
But claiming Characters like G4 Genos and Awakened Cockroach can be lightspeed is just plain braindead.
Consider that at lightspeed you can travel around the world 7 times in a second.
How would they even achieve this? Like seriously.
And not they aren't as fast The S class heroes had to work together to take down Psyorochi (Bang, Atomic, Darkshine, Genos, Drive Knight, Puri Puri, Tank Top Fodder).
Genos and Drive Knight were the only ones that could chase that thing and keep up with the others were like a support.
If you compare this to the speedsters fight of Platinum, Garou and Flashy. It is clear as day they weren't as fast. (That feat makes faster than light with actual proof as they were fighting all on the sky of Z city in fractions of a second and nobody knew it was them.
The helicopter that was recording the fight of the Jetpsyrochi and just because they saw it, it means they weren't as fast as the speedsters.
Again claiming G4 Genos and Awakened Cockroach could be lightspeed is just dumb. Given all the feats of the story Genos dodging lasers and Awakened Cockroach "dodging light" because he had increased senses could that could predict danger (like the spider-sense).
Pls is like you don't read the story at all and just overscale the feats to oblivion.
I didn’t say Genos or Awakened Cockroach run at the speed of light. Dodging light doesn’t instantly make you like speed in running speed. I was saying they have the reactions to dodge light
@@Professor_Fiction
Nah bruh to Dodge they would have to be a fractions of the speed of light and at that point of the story they weren't (and they were demon level).
If Flashy in Dragon level Is One of the fastest heroes and One the few that Has lightspeed and Faster than lightspeed feats, then how could 2 demon level threats compare to just "react" to a lightspeed attack.
It's very questionable Given the jump from Demon to Dragon Is exponentially More powerful.
Awakened Cockroach had like "precognition" because of his increased senses. But i mean as far as the scale of power works even a low Dragon would kill him. (And not all Dragons are as fast as Flashy or even close).
@@CameraPunk5049 Dawg cockroach LITERALLY SAID HE COULD DODGE AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND
@@yesyes2736
He didnt said that.
If you wanna quote it do it right:
"I'll tell you in advance, even if you could attack at the speed of light, you still wouldn't hit me.
My body senses killing intent and dodges on its own advance"
As the actual translation of Cubari (that is by far more accurate than the Viz Translation).
Even Awakened Cockroach implies Genos can't move at the speed of light and even if he could it says his body dodges on its own. (I mean to me that means he can predict danger, but not move at the speed of light himself).
Again nothing suggest they can move at lightspeed. At lightspeed you can travel around the world 7 times in a second Genos and the cockroach don't come close to that level of speed.
@@CameraPunk5049 Okay so a few things to note, first off, theres no way your using real-world logic to argue anime, of course the feats dont make perfect sense. Kind of like how flashy flash moving at the speed of light would mean he would also have night vision cause of visibility issues, or saitama outspeeding flashy flash while hes seriously trying to shake him off, in which case, theoretically, they should have either crashed into a wall or SHOULDNT EVEN BE ABLE TO CONVERSE since they're breaking the sound barrier easily. But enough of that, heres an issue: awakened cockroaches body even being able to react and proficiently dodge lightspeed attacks, even with some degree of insight, means he blatantly scales relative or somewhat to the speed of light at least on a reaction level. This argument being backed up by the fact that he managed to escape a point blank incineration cannon after it was already like a couple inches from his face if not already touching him by disconnecting his legs and escaping with just his arms, If that doesnt show insane speeds then I don't know what to tell you. Or if we want to lowball it it shows that his muscles or body is more than capable of such lightspeed maneuvering. Not to mention this entire argument is invalidated by the fact that genos pre upgrade could dodge light-based lasers from machine god. So yes, they do, and no, he is not overscaling.
Thank you bro
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FF with his sword mops the floor with Bang.
If he’s faster with the sword to such a degree that Bang can’t just intercept it by striking its dull side and deflecting it, then yes, he likely one shots.
@@myusername3689 he has ninjutsus that can confuse the opponent, an example would be tenfold funeral by sonic but flash is capable of the same just on a much denser and greater scale...
Bang casually slaps away flashy with his sword
would bang be able to make a lightshow though?
no he wouldnt
No. Flashy low to neg diffs at worst.
No but he doesn't need to
Yes bang is faster lol , Garou off guard causally dodges flashy , Garou doesn’t get stronger until him and plat starts evolving
Personally I think flashy flash would win though it’s high diff it’s very close
You are very brave to say that in a vs comment section I commend you for being respectful as well
That's what I commented on yacine video , bang is not fast in zipping around and manoeuvring around enemies but he is kind of at peak in reacting to anything hitting him and dodging and deflecting that hit and also countering. so yeah, your analysis is superior to other people in my opinion.
Good arguments, I respectfully disagree. A full on assault from even imperfected Godslayer fist should definitely be more powerful than just a graze from Roaring sky bleh bleh fist, a sleeping Garou although fair should still be at the same level of strength and speed, is definitely weaker in terms of skill, the techniques he was using against Bang were on instinct and he was definitely not fighting like an awake Garou would, and sure Flashys attacks with his hands and feet aren't that good his attacks with a weapon should be a very serious treat. Bang should have the reaction speed and combat speed to hang with Flash, skill to outdo him, but his AP is not good enough to put down flash, and flash needs to hit like one Flashy Slash to kill him, and although Bang can hang in speed with flash, flashy is definitely still way faster than him in movement speed, the speed feat he showed is too great to be even compared to a Bang vs Sleeping Garou, a Garou again I say that was moving, attacking and using techniques on instinct. So yeah fair its a close fight, but Flashy should be able to win 7/10 times.
Wrong but alr
@@TeslaRBLX may I ask what's wrong about it?
@@justsomedemononthefbiwante4023Nothing, because he didn't respond.
Guys, badminton players, just as an example, can react to smashes coming at more than 200 km/h speed, while of course they cannot run at the speed of 200 km/h. So yes, it is possible to react to things much much faster than our movement speed while moving much slower. If a normal human can react to 200 km/h of a very little shuttle and sand it back, than surely Fang can react to light speed attacks
One is definitely on the level of a weaker form, while the other was embarrassed by a stronger form, so this is quite matched.
No not really ff was keeping up + he lost his sword so he wasn't using his ultimate attacks and bang does not have as much feats as ff
@@aminebelhaddad5782 Didn't platinum sperm and garou speed up right after FF got kicked out of the fight? And while the resulting strength calcs of their feats are debatable, bang almost certainly DOES have *more* feats than FF. FF only has the octopus, 2 ninjas and the fight with PS and garou. Bang has the fight with melzegard, elder centipede, rover, asteroid, garou twice, young bomb and more I probably didn't think of. That's 3 vs 7.
You seem to be wrong on both accounts
bang wasnt on the level of sleeping garou even if he was definitely closer to him than FF was to cracked garou (at least by the end of the fight)
i still think FF blitzes bang tho
@@UserName-xc4eldidn’t Garou speed up after he bodied bang?
To be honest. Bang would win... Because all attack by flashy is going to be deflected
Thank you for the shoutout, definitely enjoyed the video
I think the argument of why people say garou vs flashy flash and plat s is stronger than the one that fought bang is because awakened garou is more refined and more powerful than the one that fought bang
Every time he says God Fist, I head Dog Fist.
While awakened cockroach why just hyping himself up and beams are not lightspeed generally + they curve which light does not do, flashy flash has an onscreen feat of being FTL, also the guide books that talks about him being the fastest was also talking about his slashes the sentence prior connecting the two, so id say flash wins
Plus since garou using the martial art hes more skilled with only scratched bang, which technique wouldnt apply as much as an imperfect proper punch against flash, it also makes sense that garou would use the more effective martial art even if its not his most comfortable
Idk why this is a debate. Bang humiliates Flash. Being unconscious and asleep are different things first, and it was OBVIOUSLY implied that sleeping Garou was weaker then awake Garou when he went from doing nothing to dark to humiliating him plus the added context saying he was stronger after we woke up.
Saying flash fought the stronger Garou is laughable, because he fought the weaker one. Unconscious Garou is exactly what it seems to be. he has no thinking or hesitation besides pure instincts, desires, and intent....Kill Master Bang.
Kinda like Itoshi Rin vs Japan's U-20 national team when he went destroyer flow. He lost consciousness and beat Itoshi Sae by a hairs breath because he "obeyed my instincts".
Now onto why Bang is stronger then unconscious Garou. Bang and Garou even each other out with awakening breath at the start. Garou never hit a fatal or even worrisome hit on Bang (until). Only two kinda hard hits. When Bang tired to combo Garou in the beginning, trying to slam him down, Garou countered (countering is less impressive then beginning the attack) and Bang got up just fine and compliments Garou. The other is when he got overwhelmed with rapid attacks and got sent back various meters. But Bang said he made progress and with a smile on his face said watch Bomb as he was gonna kick Garou's ass (never did Bang think he'd lose). The ONLY reason Bang lost was because Garou used a powerful forbidden technique which barley grazed him. Oh. Lastly. Uh. Bang could have killed him despite all Garous multipliers
Pretty Based, but I disagree with a few things. I think FF wins more times than not.
Firstly you saying Bang would read Ff like a book by the fact he read Garou like a book. You forget that Bang was Garou’s teacher, and taught him water stream and is very familiar with Bombs technique. Bang said himself you can’t teach an old dog new tricks, so I doubt he can learn a completely different style like a book.
I see FF as similar to a prime Bang, as he is in his prime age and has just about mastered ninjutsu. Bang of course has accumulated more skill, but has lost his sharpness that he once had as he stated. Endurance will be a major factor with characters near each other level, and Bang lacks endurance as he stated he gets tired quickly now as an old man in an OVA
PS also said “so this is the level a mere human can reach”, which I think puts the nail in the coffin. I argue FF is the best well rounded, Atomic is the best swordsman but is overly reliant on his sword, and Bang is the most skilled but lacks endurance due to his age.
All i heard was king victims🗿
I didn’t watch the vid yet but my take going into this is that Flashy should take it. Gonna be a somewhat long breakdown but instead of editing I’ll just reply to this comment if anything in the vid makes me change my mind on the verdict or any of the points
He’s got better durability and speed feats, and most likely has better physical strength scaling than Bang, and that’s without his sword which dramatically increases his AP and can block attacks that can shred through his durability
I believe that Sleeping Garou is inferior to Awake Garou even in terms of stats based on the Darkshine showings, but even if we disregard that-
Bang’s durability was ‘low’ (air quotes) enough to get one shotted by Garou merely grazing his body, and the shockwaves from Garou’s blows could pulverize his bones if they hit. And he did end up losing to his chest getting grazed by a punch
Thus most likely means his physical strength doesn’t exactly stack up to Garou as much as his technique is able to redirect and not take the full force of Garou’s attacks. The counter point is Bang’s punch cracking Garou’s shell, but WSRSF redirects the opponents own strength and sends it back at them either 2 fold or higher as Bang mastered it way better than beginning of the Hero Hunt Human Garou did.
And speed wise, One and Murata made it a point to show that the speed of Garou during the Platinum and Flash fight was on another level compared to anything we’ve seen from him before, and the constellations was just travel/movement speed.
As for Flash, his physical durability is high enough to take direct hits from Garou, and even if you say he wasn’t using the same techniques he used against Bang at first, Flash took an entire barrage from MCGSF which combined every martial art Garou knows into one, so it would include the shockwaves that could pulverize Bang’s bones and the level of explosive strength that could graze Bang and one shot him. So flash has better durability
Usually physical durability and physical strength go hand and hand, so Flash should be superior there too, but even if we say his strength shouldn’t automatically scale, he was able to clash with Garou and suppressed Platinum S (Garou wasn’t suppressed per say, as much as he was evolving in the battle), and Flash was also able to draw blood from Platinum S with punches. Platinum S was stronger than Garou when they first started fighting, and Platinum S is a pure physical character with no energy system based power, so while he can suppress his speed and striking power, his durability should remain constant unless they’re a special case like Darkshine who can amp his durability by flexing etc
As for speed wise, the 3 were able to exchange several blows in the midst of those constellation sequences so their actual combat and reaction speed scales higher than the actual constellation’s speed, whatever that may be. And it’s pretty clearly implied that it’s on another level of speed compared to anything Garou has shown before…in which he was just matching Bang in speed
Last but not least, skill. Bang is most likely more skilled than Flash based on merit in the same way Flash should be faster than Bang based on merit (and feats/scaling), but Flash should be relatively close, considering the fact that while he was on the losing end, he was able to have several hundred (based on the constellations and what not) exchanges with an awake…so more skilled Garou than the one that fought Bang, and fighting Flash and Platinum forced Garou to evolve his skill and technique even more to create MCGSF. And that’s Flash using purely hand to hand when he’s primarily a swordman, so if we take overall skill with his sword into account, the gap between him and bang is even more narrow skill wise
FF high diff prop
The mistake you made is your failure to realise that Monster Garou abd Cracked Garou are two different forms. Yes, they are different levels in Garou's evolution. Garou does not simply "wake up" after beating Bang. He wasn't asleep at all. His body had undergone MONSTERIZATION and after Bang managed to break through his armour he had DE-MONSTERIZED. That's the entire point of the fight - Bang attempting to reclaim the humanity within Garou and bringing him back from his monster form. Remember the chapter where Fubuki, Bang and Bomb faced Do-S and her monster slaves. That's when it became Bang's mission to fight and save Garou from becoming a monster. And this he was successful in at the end of his fight with Monster Garou. So your argument about Garou simply gaining better muscle coordination because he had woken up from his slumber (as was the case when he faced Darkshine) isn't correct because Garou did not wake and instead transformed back to a human.
Also, it is very much like Garou to grow in strength after facing and overcoming a challenging opponent. Bang definitely was in control during the entirety of the fight and his role as the master to Garou definitely made him a significant obstacle in Garou's path. So it makes sense why he'd suddenly become so kuch stronger and therefore it is obvious that Flashy did face an overwhelmingly more powerful version of Garou.
Further, if the mangas authors really wanted to show us that Monster Garou and Cracked Garou were comparable in terms of their overall abilities, they could simply showcase much more impressive feats of speed and power in the Garou vs. Bang fight, so that it would seem a lot closer to the three-way light speed clash in terms of scaling. They would not want the readers to come up with unnecessarily complicated theories just to make sense of a fight.
The visual evidence too is strongly in favour of Flashy being leagues above Bang, as it shows him to be capable of tanking hits from Garou using God Slayer Fist, shows Platinum S' concern over his abilities even when he was greatly weakened and most of all, it shows that these characters were moving at such speeds that their trails created geometric structures of light which could be seen by everyone on the battlefield. Had Bang show any feats of speed nearly as impressive as Flashy's, said feat would have also been emphasised the same way Flashy's was.
Therefore, for the many many reasons that i have listed here, your argument doesn't work.
You’re getting cooked in these comment ngl
Silver Fang vs Gouketsu, who do you have winning?(it should be an obvious pick but I wanted to know your opinion on how that fight would go down?)
I think Bang wins Mid-high diff, he's just the superior martial artist and I dont think monster Garou is weaker than Gouketsu. This is all speculation though, since Gouketsu doesn't have any definitive feats other than him being at least a mid dragon and no stronger than high dragon.
@@potxtoe I thought he was for sure a high dragon since he was a cadre.
@@SSJBlueVegitoi might be remembering wrong but i think bang one shot evolved fhur ugly or another cadre
@@SSJBlueVegito Im pretty sure cadre just means a dragon, doesn't have to be high dragon, for example Nyan (mid dragon). I do think Gouketsu is high dragon, but we can't really say for sure, his only feat was him toying with Bakuzan who's presumably a low dragon. In the webcomics, Bang one shot gums and fuhrer ugly. In the manga he didn't kill them but he sure did make quick work of them and made them look weak. Mons Garou one shot vomitted fuhrer ugly (high dragon), which means Bang probably could've done something similar since he was going toe to toe with him.
Gouketsu is fodder bang solos
The thing with Bang is he can make up for "lack" of stats through martial arts and pure skill, he can keep up with faster opponents by moving and reacting before they even start moving, that's how Garou also countered Saitama even when Saitama was going even faster than him both in the webcomic and manga. I feel like the match up is still pretty bad for Bang as he would deal against opponents like Darkshine better than against Flashy Flash but that would only apply if Flash has his sword, without it Bang stomps and with it it's close but Flash wins, on the other hand I feel like Flash would lose against Darkshine due to lack of offensive power while Bang would definitely be able to break through with exploding heart release and awakened breath.
Flashy face tanked MCGSF. There is nothing Bang can do.
@@arin7776At that time garou's technique were still imperfected and it's more like that he was giving them a demo .
Can you do a video on garou vs the justice league
Eventually
Flashy flash kills him it ain't close
It really isn't. It's just Bang fanboys coping.
You should watch the video
@@Professor_Fiction brother I'm sorry but i unfortunately don't have time good enough to see the vid ( I'm sure it's goated ) but I don't see any way in which bang's doin thing to garou cause garou had the light speed feat after his fight with bang and he was evolving with time. Flashy flash should destroy him
Bang negs
@@chungusfungus9779 pure drugs lol
Cool video,but what of Speed o' Sound Sonic fought Bang or flashy flash?
Sonic is not even close to them. Just remember how he got blitz by gale wind and hellfire flame. The same monsters that Flashy Flash overpowered and chop easily
Webcomic Bang >>> Flashy Flash, but manga Flashly Flash > Bang
Webcomic and manga bang slaps both
@@chungusfungus9779WC Flashy neg diffs with ninja leader's sword and scroll lol.
This fight goes for the Bang
I reckon with the breathing technique, Bang wins but without, Flashy flash wins. I don't think Bang is as fast as flashy flash but I do think his reaction speed is around the same if not slightly supperior.
I'm going for flashy flash wins 6/10
Considering flashy flash was actually going blow for blow against 2 of them, flashy flash is way more tanky than bang. Who what flashy flash could have done if he had a sword
Could you do video about Flash having the Solar blade Atomic Samouraï received recently ? Great video btw !
Maybe after we learn more about the Sun Balde
I thank that the reason flash is considered faster is bc of that how much emphasis was put on speed in the battle royal with FF PS and Garou. Aslo when Garou attacked all of the monsters beforehand as King was doing his "ultimate move". In garous fight with bang, I feel like more emphasis is but on fighting skill and combat abilty. I understand that throught scaling you could say that Bang could hypothetically do move like FF but I think that murata and one, in the three way fight, were really trying to point out that this is a fight that is taking place waay faster than anything seen before. In my opinion Flash is faster, but this was a well made and thought out video and I respect your opinion.
I mean all of the s-class already consider flash as the fastest other than blast
W video as always. Happy to see what you cook
One cook to another
silver fang fought whilst holding back no to kill a unconsious monster garou who has the fullest intention of killing a person
whilst flashy flash tho doesn't have his main weapon strugled against a consious garou who would never kill a human by a million chance
so yeah i think silver fang still have the upper hand here
shouldve waited until saitama vs flash but still good vid
yeah that was an awful fight in the manga(not even a fight, is like half of what happened in the webcomic).
great vid keep it up
me tryna wonder what is ap and dc is
Would you continue on your s class how strong video series, I missed that.
Solid video!
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@@achuitranjanchetia3572 Happy to hear that. But I can't say I recognize Your name
@@SatorisYT It's ok :) but remember me when you have 1 million Subs ok :)
@@achuitranjanchetia3572 Noted
But is t800 vs every animatronic from fnaf close?
Never once thought about these 2 series vs each other. Kinda funny ngl
Arnold solos honestly, maybe even against all of them including William and the security breach ones
@@Depressed_until_dead idk, DJ music man, plush the glam rock animatronics could pose a threat, so could the blob. There's also the question if the puppet could pull some hacks
I didn't bat an eye to thinking about this fight, but I was thinking about a dozen ways how either could come out on top. Grand video, sir.
Recommendation: I think it would be interesting to see Saitama vs The Rest of the Hero Association. The outcome would be quite obvious and it would be a pretty long video, but it would be cool to see in what situations Saitama would get closest to losing if the rest of the Hero Association worked together.
There is no closest to beating saitama within the story of one punch man saitama can not be beat unless the author decides to change that.
It would be a pointless video to make since Saitama can beat the entire S class heroes with his pinky. Even Blast was stated that he can beat the entire S class all at once if they all tried to gang up on him so imagine what Saitama would do to them.
How would you think the battle would turn out if Bang decided to also use Exploding Heart Release Fist? Would it change anything at all or just leave it the same?
Flash tanked MCGSF from Garou which includes Exploding as well as every other martial art he learned, so Flash should be able to tank it
I didn't get a reply last time, but I can't find the official manga for OPM? I view fan versions but they leave some panels out and I'd really love to read over the original text
Use Viz or for Japanese youngjump
@@Professor_Fiction thank u tons brotha and amazing vid 👍
I think it is also worth mentioning that bang was holding back against garou since he didn't use explosive heart release fist
Wouldn't matter. Asleep Garou literally almost killed Bang by grazing him once.
@@arin7776 that was a hax attack garou used the explosive heart release fist which caused bangs heart to stop for moment which caused bang to becoming unconscious
Great vid, keep up the good work 😁
What happend to Meruem vs. Sukuna
Waiting for a certain anime episode to drop to avoid spoiling people who don’t read the manga
You thought we won't notice that awesome gamabunta theme
flash is highly overrated. that said I give flash a small advantage over fang but its not much
Flashy negs him.
I appreciate this analysis. This is the first time I've seen someone actually acknowledge the difference between combat speed and movements speed, much less any of the other salient points you've made. Good video!
How about flashy flash versus atomic samurai
In garou vs fang bang states that fang had multiple opening to go on the offense with his explosion(?) Fist but refuses because he wants to save garou the same way his brother did and garou had only to focus on bang while flash even with a surprise attack couldnt hit garou
Now do flaahy flash vs atomic samurai
İf we are considering bang as fighting and landing critical hits on full powered monster garou, we will also need to say that Bang is probably stronger than King Orochi. İs he really that strong?
Why would that mean he's stronger than Orochi?
@@dull1831 monster Garou is insanely strong. He can outclass opponents who are lot stronger than Orochi (Sage centipede, Psychoorochi, platinum S(platinum S is debatable)). İf Bang can really hold his own and make critical hits against that kind of a Man, it requires too much strength, speed, durability etc. With that level of power, he must defeat orochi or at least, share the same lvl of power with him. Which seems completely inconsistent
@@buzgolemi612 The Garou he fought and the Garou we see after that fight are not the same. Garou got a lot stronger between his fight with Bang and his fight with Sage Centipede.
@@dull1831 if we accept Garou getting stronger, then, same thing must also be valid for his fight with Flash and platinum S.
@@buzgolemi612 He got stronger after his fight with Platinum S, but there's nothing to indicate he got stronger after Bang was defeated.
w video (rover victims)
I agree to all the info... ☺️☺️
Bang snapped garou out of his killing intent. He was arguably "weaker" post bang fight until he transforms further. He was only asleep when he destroyed PPP and then fought Darkshine
we need king vs saitama.
Well done man, pretty good video. I knew I wasn’t crazy for thinking that bang would win based on how they performed against Garou. I also like the fact that you bought up that Garou was weaker when he’s sleep due to him being sluggish in technique and the fact he wasn’t sluggish against bang. You my friend are a great power scaler.
yo 4th comment and 4 min ago
i will tell me opinions after i watch though
edit i agree with it
i'm not subscribing, good video tho
You changed my mind, I assumed that Garou was automatically weaker when asleep.
Rather than weaker, more like uncontrolled... Like a feral beast going up against a monk that simply plays with the beast
No it’s basi flam
So basically Batman with no gear vs King Arthur
Very very early
Great vid man, completely agreed, bang > flashy flash
Delusional to believe that Bang can make light constellations like in chapter 155
@@arin7776 did you even watch the video?
bing bong yowch yowch boin zoing
I think Bang would win in my opinion, but I'm not a expert
same.. i was tired of those flashy fanboys, thanks 4 ur comment
Alright a couple of notes:
First, I don't think it's fair to say Garou is asleep in the first place, it seems closer to he is monsterised to a state where he can't talk, unlike when he is asleep with Darkshine, he actively uses techniques and adapts with observation, he also remembers what was happening during the fight unlike with Darkshine.
Second: Garou wins with worse but relative technique than Bang but has superior power (Bang lands a direct hit, Garou grazes, Bang is deflecting but damage from the shockwaves are adding up).
Third: Flashy Flash, is flat outclassed by Garou, he is slower, has worse technique, has less power, additionally, I'd say most importantly we see Garou (who we know has worse technique than Bang) redirect flowing shadow feet.
Taking this into account particularly third and second reasons, just as a match up, we know Flashy Flash can have blows redirected by someone with worse skill, there's no reason to assume that Bang with superior skill, wouldn't be able to deflect those same blows.
Garou said he was dreaming about fighting Bang, after blitzing the Dragons.
Is not like he remembers, he was subcounciously fighting Bang. (Is not like he was councious).
In a way he was aware, but not really.
Is like people who talks or does things while they are asleep.
I doubt Garou was using his full power, simply because the display of lightrails shows he was for sure faster than when he was fighting Bang. (In that Sense you could argue he was More skilled while awake than when he was sleeping, like with Darkshine as his technique improved once he was awake).
Call me crazy but i would say anyone can fight better while awake. This is why a lot of people thinks Flashy fought a more powerful Garou.
@@mikeym.4724 you're right, missed that.
Though I still find it weird how he could use techniques and copy them this time while he was unconscious this time, but fair enough.
Because of how it was functioning differently I thought it was a 'monster taking over' type thing instead, that way he still had access to techniques but also was becoming more animalistic and couldn't talk, rather than regular unconscious.
@@voxsvoxs4261
He didnt copy any techniques while fighting Bang.
He learned the Whirlwind Iron cutting fist when Bang and Bomb jumped him in the battle with Elder centepede (at the end of season 2).
Garou learned the Exploding Heart Release fist at the end of his time training with Bang (way before the events of the manga).
The Roaring aura sky ripping is a mix between the Water Stream Rock Smashing fist and the whirlwind iron cutting fist (and he peformed early versions of that attack against Orochi and Darkshine).
Garou learned The breathing technique (awakened breath) way before the events of the manga (garou used that technique in most of his previous battles).
He didnt copy any tachniques of Silver Fang, he already knew all of the techniques before the fight.
@@mikeym.4724 wait he knew awakened breath the whole time? I thought Bang said "Awakening breath, a technique that draws from the very limits of one's body.", "He mastered it from just a glance!?"
Might be wrong translation, but that pretty strongly implies he is copying Bang actively.
@@voxsvoxs4261
Bruh he knew the technique from way before.
He used the technique against the low Class heroes at the end of season 2 (in the manga this was evident).
He used that technique against Orochi and against Darkshine
Yo
Flashy flash is probably stronger than Tatsumaki as well ngl, this guy is op
No he’s not
Nah, you buggin
@@Satsaru b-but he is faster than her 🥺
im a flash stan and this is a complete wank
I mean, if anyone still has any arguements, remember this is a guy who's in his 30s vs an 80+ year old man.
Bang in his prime would fold flashy flash over 3 times before he even realizes
Flash is 25, and Bang is specifically stated by the author to get BETTER as he gets older. He's stronger now than when he was Flash's age, and Flash rn is stronger than any age of Bang
@@willkrueger3857Bang gets better at his technique and skill, but his physical stats weaken. Bang when he opened his Dojo after mastering the Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist is likely the most powerful version of Bang. Still strong physically while also having extreme skill even despite his lower experience compared to old Bang.
@@myusername3689
Yeah but flashy is gonna reach his prime later in the manga regardless, he is gonna get a new sword and scrolls with new tecchniques. Plus he is training to be faster, to take on Blast. (according to hellfire and gale in the newest manga chapter, he got stronger).
NAH flashy flash is cuter so he wins no diff
Been saying this man. I legit have multiple comments I think maybe even in this page explaining myself and everyone always says I’m wrong as if I don’t know what I’m talking about. It’s not that hard to read the manga and it’s mad annoying being called out like I’m not a fan. Validation is sweet
Bang really is that guy he folds flashy
Old Bang wins mid difficulty
Prime Young Bang wins low difficulty
bang just one hits with the breathing technique
Flashy tanked the Monster Calamity God Slayer Fist (incomplete) with no lasting damage. Wtf is Bang going to do?
While I do believe that bang wins saying that he one shots is a bit of an exageration
@@arin7776You're using an argument which was very clearly debunked in the video
*Finally an accurate video on Bang vs Flash!* Thank you! Bang is literally said to be the best martial artist in the verse, and ninjutsu IS a martial art! And Flash is not even THE BEST ninja in the verse! "That man" is! In other words Bang is stated to be at the top of the whole category, while Flash is SECOND in the same SUBCATHEGORY. I've also being pointing out that Water Fist WORKS ON SWORDS and ANY PHYSICAL ATTACKS, so it doesn't matter if Flash has a sword or not against Bang. Also, your commentary on the whole "sleeping Garou is weaker" controversy was very well explained - one thing I would add, is that Garou, while asleep, was way more dangerous that awakened Garou. Why? Because he had morals off. He almost MURDERED Fubuki, he would've caved her face in if Bomb didn't stop him at the last second. Awakened Garou would never do that. When he was fighting Bang, he was actually trying his best to murder him on the spot. When Garou was fighting Flash, he WASN'T TRYING TO KILL HIM. So he wasn't actually going all out at all. There is no reason to think Flash can win this. All of arguments that go in his favor are either based on hype or completely baseless.
My last argument I'd use to prove Flash loses would be his low feats performance. Flash consistently has issues dealing with demon level monsters, which should be unheard of if he is as strong as people suggest that he is. Think about all of the monsters he fought. 100-eyed Octopus? A demon level - he failed to defeat it even though he hit it hundreds of times. Then Tatsumaki comes and one shots it. Gale Wind? He tries to blitz and one shot him SOLO and he fails, even though he had killing intent. That was BEFORE he decided to wait for a 1 hit double KO. Human form Gale is below Sonic level in speed (after redraws, Sonic easily handled both Gale and Hellfire without going into his shadow burial techniques) and is a demon level. Compare that record to Bang, who was shown to kill every single demon level he faced in one combo without fail. Fist Fight Jin? Instant stomp. Human Garou at the dojo? Instant stomp. The reason why everybody claims Flash has superior record to Bang is because he was able to defeat Hellfire and Gale, transformed, at the same time, but somehow everybody keeps forgetting that:
- He was nearly killed in that encounter, there are panels of him taking heavy hits and bleeding. It was never a stomp!
- He already had troubles fighting them in their human forms, and in context it can be argued they became LESS powerful when they transformed, because of them "abandoning their ninja ways" which can be taken at them dropping in skill, on top of Flash's claim that their human brains can not keep up with their monster speed.
And last but not least - after Cosmic Garou fight ends, Garou tells Bang that he will stay with him, because HE IS THE ONLY ONE HE CAN SPAR WITH WITHOUT INSTANTLY WINNING. So he remembers fighting Flash, but thinks he isn't worthy, while Bang is? How much more direct can he be? Talk about scaling to Garou! Ufff!
The instances of Flashy Flash "struggling" with Demon level monsters are always when he's explicitly holding back either his true speed or power. Against Hundred Eyed Octopus, he was moments away from killing the monster before Tatsumaki intervened. And he was explicitly holding back his speed against the ninjas because we see at the end that even after the ninjas abandon their humanity and get stronger ON TOP of their monster forms (which, yes, would make them stronger than before, as they go on to perform better than before), he moves so fast that they're frozen in place while he kicks them and hits them with the Flashy Slash.
@@dull1831you didn't even read my comment before writing that lol. XD
@@mitromney I did. Every instance of Flashy Flash "failing" to kill Demons was when he was holding back, so it shouldn't be held against him in a fight with Bang. I also think Bang wins, but not because of that.
@@dull1831are you suggesting when Bang was one shooting Do-S and Djinn he was going all out? He literally had his hands behind his back one second before and one second after, in both fights. No removing his shirt. No emotions shown. No Awakening Breath that allows him to use his body to full limit. No Heart Exploding fist that allows him SURPASS his limits. He was just chilling, one tapping those demons like they weren't even there. Meanwhile Flash has got into extended fights with his demons and consistently failed to dominate them in any way. I'm just bringing it up because everybody keeps talking about their high end feats only, and it's not ALL that matters. You have to take ALL of each character within their context. Hollistically. The difference should be obvious
@@mitromney Not once did I suggest that Bang went all out against Fist Fight Djinn or Do-S, of course he was holding back. What I am saying is that using the feats of Flashy holding back against other characters and then using that as a point for why Bang wins doesn't work because in the context of a vs battle matchup, the two would be trying their hardest to win.
I think Flashy Flash's feats against the human ninjas and Hundred Eyes are good to use to establish what he can do on the lower end, but since Flashy Flash would be fighting at full power against Bang in the context that the video is setting up, why would we use feats performed by a Flashy holding back his true speed and power when he's going at full power?
Bang is stronger mid dif. It has been stablished he is the third stronger hero behind blast and tornado.
No he ain’t lol
@@Professor_Fiction Who is strongest than him? Other than Saitama and probably Sweet Mask?
@@ramonserna8089 Tatsumaki, Flashy Flash (yes I disagree with the video), Blast- there you go that's three apart from Saitama xd
@@LoudYapper Huh I already said Tornado and Blast. If you disagree with the video ok, but he is ranked 3rd even do Flashy Flash is more popular than him so at least in his universe people think he is stronger than Flash.
@@ramonserna8089 they rank heroes based on a lot of things, one being how many people they save, and flashy doesn't fight unless it's against a very big monster or smt, which is why he is ranked so low
I like the analysis and I'm on board. The difference wouldn't be speed, which I estimate actually puts Bang above Flash where we differentiate the speed at which each one excels is Flash's ability to traverse space from one point to the next at light speed and Bang's combat speed which includes the ability to observe, consider a course of action, then execute that course at a speed which would have to be 'faster than light' in order for him to effectively respond to attacks that do occur at light speed, but everything else that makes up the whole combatant, in which case Bang is much more substantially the man and fighter than Flash.
Both Gouketsu victims
Fodderketsu is featless
@@arin7776If he's featless explain why Gyoro was so surprised by his death to the point where she thought it would shift her plans for the war. And don't give me the tired "he was a Cadre argument" by her own admission there were multiple hero's capable of defeating Elder centipede and not once was she worried about her plans being insufficient. Her original blueprint *had* a contingency for Elder centipede death but didn't include one for Gouketsu.
Infact after Gouketsu's death she had to change the way she thought about the hero assocation altogether. You'll notice later in the arc in the chapters leading up to the raid. Gyoro tells Orochi of her suspicion that the hero assocation have cards higher than S class. But wait.
Why would she be under that impression. The only Cadres that died up until that point were Elder centipede and Gouketsu. By her own admission four members of the S class could beat Elder centipede. By process of elimination it's Gouketsu. She would have no reason to believe the hero assocation were concealing such a powerful weapon *unless* they killed an asset of monster assocation that they valued more than Elder centipede. Orochi corroborates this by telling Saitama Gouketsu and Elder centipedes deaths were unexplainable before meeting him.
@@breakingbread9313Gouketsu has literally no feat putting him even close to Awakening Breath Bang or Flashy Flash's speed. At best he's as strong as Rover which still gets absolutely blitzed by Awakening Breath Bang and Flashy Flash. Gouketsu is overrated as hell.
@@PerSon-xg3zrit's almost like you replied into a comment section titled :" Insert headcanon here I'm not even going to address your points because I know I'm right."
bang vs flashy flash. winner: Bang (mid-high diff)
not a chance
High diff more likely
finally someone who deosn't underrate bang and doesn't say "flashy flash wins because he fought against both platinum s and garou without his weapon 🤓"
I saw a video of flashu flash giving bang sloppy toppy is it canon? I think its canon
😐
I kinda wanna see, is it in r34?
Nah the only person who canonically got the sloppy from Flashy Flash is Platinum Sperm.