@@XX-uz2tcshe did said she should of kill him when she found out it was oz that killed his brother and then she told Salvatore they both gonna kill him together
You don’t consider it WOKE that they change the penguin from an Englishmen to an Italian mobster in order to make him more gangster. Anytime you change the race of a character, there is a weird agenda. However, since you enjoyed the show so much all of quote on quote “weird agendas” go out the window. It’s still there if you stop being a fan and look at the facts.
@ no I don’t care, the penguin was good. He played the role good. The weird agendas I’m talking is all these other shows and movies that Hollywood and directors want to put out but fail hard. They don’t want to make characters and stories anymore, they just want to push an agenda 🤦🏿♂️
@ you don’t see an agenda of the penguin having an Odepus Rex complex? Basically, he is sexually attracted to his mother, but hey you don’t see no agenda (incest). You are bias in your review and it shows. The agenda is they made viewers feel sorry for the penguin up until the last episode, some were really rooting for the penguin to win somehow.
@@dominiquecovin4170 not rooting for the penguin as a character. But just a real story and real acting. rather have that than a man pretending to be a women (vice versa), or liking their own gender, or teaching the youth to convert into something their not. Again those shows and movies are not acting as a character their just trying to fill agendas in people’s head for profit and “representation” 🤦🏿♂️
I just finished it. My heart dropped... I couldn't even process it. They set up this wholesome moment between "father and son" so to speak, after all they've been through together. Oz wouldn't even be alive without Vic intervening, and he kills him?? Weakness is a cop out. That was foul. Brilliant show 💯
From my standpoint, it's such a waste of resources. Oz killed Vic because Vic saw Oz for the messy human being he is? I get it, but Vic's worth as a lieutenant is far more worthwhile than any sort of weakness. Oz is going to be missing Vic when Gotham chews him up and spits him out. Be you rich or poor, Gotham will always screw you over.
Victor really is the tragic character of this whole series he literally lost it all even his life 😢. Oz was smart for not killing Sophia since Arkham is literally worse then death to her
I hear they're in the process of making Barry Keogans take on the Joker. Which I'd rather have because that 5 min clip that was kept out of the movie was epic
Yo I expected Vic to be a casualty of war. Either Sofia kills him or Oz having to leave him for dead. I didn’t expect it to be after the war. It was the shock, regret, struggle and betrayal on his face…….that sold to scene for me😢
Oz/The Penguin is a piece of ####. Plain & simple. Fascinating villain & perhaps my favorite onscreen version of the villain, but wow. Batman needs to take him down! Great show, but I don't wantt a season 2. Let this lead into The Batman: Part II. And I really hope Colin Farrell & Cristin Milioti get some awards.
Yeah this was the episode that made it certain yes oz is a very very bad person. A liar, a murderer, a manipulator, a coward, spineless 😭. Hes a very bad guy , likeable still but very bad
This show was so perfect to me man what a great show. I definitely called the way Victor might’ve died and the scene still made me sad the whole time. Oz is straight up Evil man😂 I can’t wait for Batman to beat his ass at this point I’m so glad they made sure to make it as clear as possible the whole show that this man is a VILLAIN
I think they made Penguin *too* evil honestly. He's more outright Malicious than any other villain even *could* be in the Matt Reeves universe. Riddler was a Monster but he was driven mad by lonliness and being an Orphan. The Joker's just naturally 100% purely insane so he has a natural excuse. If Mr Freeze is the main antagonist of The Batman 2 as rumored he's literally THE Tragic Villain of all tragic villains. The only villain who can be as malicious as Penguin in this universe could MAYBE be The Scarecrow. For like the B++ Villain that is The Penguin I don't think they should've made him THIS dark.
I somewhat agree. Only because the joker is like the craziest of the crazy. So if Oz is this twisted it kinda makes it hard to fear the joker more when you know Oz will kill you just as fast as joker would. Jokers whole thing is being scarier than the others and I don’t see how he could be that way
@@vbar964 exactly that's my point! even with this show in terms of popularity Penguin's still a B++ Player compared to other villains. so if even *he's* this dark and dangerous and fucked up what are the others gonna be like? now that WOULD be interesting and intriguing... if it wasn't for the fact we know there's gonna be a ton of live action mandates and stuff. so we KNOW they aren't gonna let the shows and pictures get any much darker than this so we KNOW they aren't gonna adapt any of the craziest most brutal feats imaginable that characters like Joker have done. (carving his smile into Newborn Babies to ensure his legacy or blowing up a nursery just to make the worst kind of Baby Shower Joke for example is 1000% most *definitely* off the table here I'd be willing to bet every cent I've never had.)
Crazy episode. Victor was a cool dude and it was a holy shit moment. Me and my girl both said the last scene was very Norman Bates, dude has some major issues in this universe. This show smokes most comic book shows/adaptions and I'm saying that as a dude who thinks The Batman was great, but not a "masterpiece".
Masterpiece. This was more enjoyable than most Batman movies apart from Batman Begins, The Dark Knight or The Batman for me. It was spectacular and extremely enjoyable.
I feel like the penguin killed Victor because of his obsession with being like Rex and pleasing his mom. Since she had her son get set up to get killed by Rex, Oz finding that out probably made him want to get rid of Victor
Yeah this was an awesome show and I had my doubts about it but it was really good. The Batman universe is already shaping up to be good and I just hope they keep up the momentum. Also I really like Victor because he was the saving grace to Oswald but it kind of sucks that he got killed. The only way I can see him coming back is if they go back to that moment at the park and it was nothing but just a hallucination or something like that that Oz wanted to do the Victor but just couldn't find himself to do it
I really didn't have any expectations whatsoever watching this show, but it really blew my mind. I never imagined I would like it so much, even though I liked Mat Reeves The Batman very much. Great, complex, believable characters, subverting expectations at its best. I mostly rooted for Sofia given what she had been through unfairly. Penguin is such a scumbag, but his decisions make sense from his frame of reference thanks to the very realistic writing and portrayal of his character, psychopathy and all.
What this show does effectively is show us that we shouldn’t trust Oz at all. Every character he involves himself with gives us a reason to hate Oz but the show makes us root for him. From episode 1 to this episode we see a villain, that makes watching it again as appealing as watching the First batman movie again. Victors death hurt so much because even someone who would die for Oz doesn’t make the cut. He loves his mother and more importantly himself more than anyone else. The Penguin show gets a 9/10 from me.
The theory people is saying is that he became really close to Vic and that would eventually become a weakness to use against him like his mom so he had to take him out
Bro they literally say it in the show right after Vic calls him family. Vic saw him at his weakest and they’ve been through everything together now, but keeping Vic alive would mean he’d have another weakness that people could take advantage of in the future kinda like how they took his mother to torture him and all that. So killing Vic was out of love(not a good thing either way) so nobody could have that weakness to take advantage of him at the top
The show was great I enjoyed it a lot But Colin farrel kinda took the stakes away for the penguin in an interview a few weeks ago. When he said he's in atleast 5/6 scenes in the batman 2 and that he's signed on for 3 batman films. So we know he wasn't gonna die. And as far as I know they haven't even confirmed a third batman movie yet so he spilled the beans there a bit.
Crazy good bro....crazy good 💯🔥💯🔥💯🔥💯🔥💯🔥💯 Penguins lady friend did looked similar to his mom , ppl probably got it the 1st time we saw her but the creepy end set the tone for this universe... Mam Vic....smh
This show felt dirty. And it was. Very well acted though. A new take on a classic villain. What kills me is that they can do this show but not another season of Superman and Lois. It’s the best thing DC has done in years and it doesn’t get the hype it should. Last nights episode was epic and well acted. Tyler Hoechlin always kills it as Superman.
Oswald is sick in the head man, I don’t believe that a person can be too far gone to be saved, it just depends on whether they want to change or not, but my goodness when it comes to Oz I don’t even know what to say bro. I try to constantly remind myself that I’m not better than anyone or holier than anyone because I’m also a very flawed and sinful person, and the only hope I have is GOD’s grace, but dude this last episode made me so uncomfortable. Everything about Oswald’s mannerisms were just so disturbing, what he did to his brothers, and his mom, he’s so self deceived and his delusions are so twisted that he was willing to let his mom lose her finger instead of confess what he did to his brothers, and then Vic in the end bro☹️ The moment Oz killed him, the only thing that was on my mind was why didn’t you listen to your Dad when he warned you about being around bad company? I instantly was replaying that scene of him and his dad getting into an argument about if Squid was going to be at the hangout with his friends. Bad company corrupts good morals. Vic had a chance to leave this life behind, he should have left with his girl when he had the chance, but his desire to “be somebody” got the better of him, and unfortunately it cost him his life. So much potential in that young man cut short, what a freaking shame😔☹️ Batman, you gotta handle this man.
Not just xomic book tv but television in general.. This desoives to be tawlked about with the likes of Boardwalk Empire and Sopranos.. Only reason I don't got it in that conversation of being as good as or better than those is because of time.. Those shows did it for years but if they gave this show that time and it stayed at this level... We'd be talkin about a new king of TV
@@TylerDurden-cu6izExactly idk how people just aren’t paying attention to this show 😂 he literally explains it in the show are people half watching or something?
I like the end where Selina reaches out to Sophia. But damn him killing Vic was crazy.
I love how you can view Oswald as a victim of a manipulative parent at the start, but Oswald's mom is just a victim of her evil manipulative son
The only thing i didn't like was that Sophia KEPT underestimating this man whenever she had him like bruh shoot him SHOOT HIM!
Her goal was not to kill him but make him feel pain
@@XX-uz2tcshe did said she should of kill him when she found out it was oz that killed his brother and then she told Salvatore they both gonna kill him together
that’s how you make a show!!!! just pure cinema and not these weird agendas
Another incel complaining about he big bad sjw boogeyman 😂
You don’t consider it WOKE that they change the penguin from an Englishmen to an Italian mobster in order to make him more gangster. Anytime you change the race of a character, there is a weird agenda. However, since you enjoyed the show so much all of quote on quote “weird agendas” go out the window. It’s still there if you stop being a fan and look at the facts.
@ no I don’t care, the penguin was good. He played the role good.
The weird agendas I’m talking is all these other shows and movies that Hollywood and directors want to put out but fail hard. They don’t want to make characters and stories anymore, they just want to push an agenda 🤦🏿♂️
@ you don’t see an agenda of the penguin having an Odepus Rex complex? Basically, he is sexually attracted to his mother, but hey you don’t see no agenda (incest). You are bias in your review and it shows. The agenda is they made viewers feel sorry for the penguin up until the last episode, some were really rooting for the penguin to win somehow.
@@dominiquecovin4170 not rooting for the penguin as a character. But just a real story and real acting.
rather have that than a man pretending to be a women (vice versa), or liking their own gender, or teaching the youth to convert into something their not. Again those shows and movies are not acting as a character their just trying to fill agendas in people’s head for profit and “representation” 🤦🏿♂️
That was one of the most vile ways to kill someone that is loyal to you. 10/10 show
When I saw Oz choke out Vic, I was simply dumfounded. Now I guess all that's missing for Oz is his monocle and umbrella
He has the top hat and umbrella just no monocle. He rested the hat on the umbrella at the end of the episode before he seen Francis
@hoodxalien1482 oh yeah you're right I'll have to rewatch that part, I was just so shocked at what I saw it really register
I just finished it. My heart dropped... I couldn't even process it. They set up this wholesome moment between "father and son" so to speak, after all they've been through together. Oz wouldn't even be alive without Vic intervening, and he kills him?? Weakness is a cop out. That was foul. Brilliant show 💯
From my standpoint, it's such a waste of resources. Oz killed Vic because Vic saw Oz for the messy human being he is? I get it, but Vic's worth as a lieutenant is far more worthwhile than any sort of weakness. Oz is going to be missing Vic when Gotham chews him up and spits him out. Be you rich or poor, Gotham will always screw you over.
he care for Vic and that was a weakness so he had to go.
They should do a catwoman spin off because waiting two years for The Batman is crazy.
I can wait personally..2025 needs to be about finally getting Superman right
I was actually disturbed Oz taking out Vic. Completely out of left field.
Oz is truly a heartless psychopath and thats why he won. Sofia maybe crazy but even she has a moral compass. Oz does not.
"Moral compass" pointing true North when she incinerated all those men, women and children.
Bro.... they *COOKED* with this series
Victor really is the tragic character of this whole series he literally lost it all even his life 😢.
Oz was smart for not killing Sophia since Arkham is literally worse then death to her
Turned him into a legit horror villain
Crazy theory I think Vic somehow lived
Oz is now the king of Gotham.
Until Batman 2
Need Batman part 2 to start with Batman investigating Victors body
I hear they're in the process of making Barry Keogans take on the Joker. Which I'd rather have because that 5 min clip that was kept out of the movie was epic
Yo I expected Vic to be a casualty of war. Either Sofia kills him or Oz having to leave him for dead. I didn’t expect it to be after the war.
It was the shock, regret, struggle and betrayal on his face…….that sold to scene for me😢
I knew there was no place for Vic once Penguin got to the top
Oz/The Penguin is a piece of ####. Plain & simple. Fascinating villain & perhaps my favorite onscreen version of the villain, but wow. Batman needs to take him down! Great show, but I don't wantt a season 2. Let this lead into The Batman: Part II. And I really hope Colin Farrell & Cristin Milioti get some awards.
Yeah this was the episode that made it certain yes oz is a very very bad person. A liar, a murderer, a manipulator, a coward, spineless 😭. Hes a very bad guy , likeable still but very bad
Exactly this man is evil and was willing to lie to the point that his own mother was gonna lose a finger because of it.
Very insane turn out. I couldn’t believe what happened to to Vic 10 out of 10 show in my opinion.
Saw the whole show and found it amazing, how the shocked me from rooting for Oz to being reminded what a psycho he really is was just wow🤯🤯🤯
This was one of the best shows I've seen in a LONG time.
Incredible finale man
There’s a really good insight on the finale if you stayed on till the behind the scenes
Dude I couldn’t believed he killed Victor😮! I had to skip it cause it made uneasy especially when he says please it just got me
Vic did a better job of holding him down then oz girl who gave the drop on him to his opps
I knew Vic was going to die. The question is: Will he be resurrected and if so into what character?
Omg it was amazing. And the end as the camera was showing the building then the signal omg
I can’t believe he killed Victor😱
This show was so perfect to me man what a great show. I definitely called the way Victor might’ve died and the scene still made me sad the whole time.
Oz is straight up Evil man😂 I can’t wait for Batman to beat his ass at this point I’m so glad they made sure to make it as clear as possible the whole show that this man is a VILLAIN
I was legit refreshing your page over and over to see the review. I’m here sooo early wow !
Same 😆
I need them to fastrack Batman 2. I need it immediately now. This set it up so well and even made Batman 1 better in retrospect.
Vic dying caught me off guard. I really was invested in his storyline, but that type of ending is what makes great television, great show..
Imagine if Batman 2 was made in a timely way where it came out 2025 or Early dec 2024, the hype from show would impact ticket sales.
I think they made Penguin *too* evil honestly.
He's more outright Malicious than any other villain even *could* be in the Matt Reeves universe.
Riddler was a Monster but he was driven mad by lonliness and being an Orphan.
The Joker's just naturally 100% purely insane so he has a natural excuse.
If Mr Freeze is the main antagonist of The Batman 2 as rumored he's literally THE Tragic Villain of all tragic villains.
The only villain who can be as malicious as Penguin in this universe could MAYBE be The Scarecrow.
For like the B++ Villain that is The Penguin I don't think they should've made him THIS dark.
I somewhat agree. Only because the joker is like the craziest of the crazy. So if Oz is this twisted it kinda makes it hard to fear the joker more when you know Oz will kill you just as fast as joker would. Jokers whole thing is being scarier than the others and I don’t see how he could be that way
@@vbar964 exactly that's my point!
even with this show in terms of popularity Penguin's still a B++ Player compared to other villains.
so if even *he's* this dark and dangerous and fucked up what are the others gonna be like?
now that WOULD be interesting and intriguing... if it wasn't for the fact we know there's gonna be a ton of live action mandates and stuff.
so we KNOW they aren't gonna let the shows and pictures get any much darker than this so we KNOW they aren't gonna adapt any of the craziest most brutal feats imaginable that characters like Joker have done.
(carving his smile into Newborn Babies to ensure his legacy or blowing up a nursery just to make the worst kind of Baby Shower Joke for example is 1000% most *definitely* off the table here I'd be willing to bet every cent I've never had.)
Crazy episode. Victor was a cool dude and it was a holy shit moment. Me and my girl both said the last scene was very Norman Bates, dude has some major issues in this universe. This show smokes most comic book shows/adaptions and I'm saying that as a dude who thinks The Batman was great, but not a "masterpiece".
When oz said your going to hell to sofia I had a feeling he was gonna do that after he talked to the politician guy.
Masterpiece. This was more enjoyable than most Batman movies apart from Batman Begins, The Dark Knight or The Batman for me. It was spectacular and extremely enjoyable.
I feel like the penguin killed Victor because of his obsession with being like Rex and pleasing his mom. Since she had her son get set up to get killed by Rex, Oz finding that out probably made him want to get rid of Victor
Yeah this was an awesome show and I had my doubts about it but it was really good. The Batman universe is already shaping up to be good and I just hope they keep up the momentum. Also I really like Victor because he was the saving grace to Oswald but it kind of sucks that he got killed. The only way I can see him coming back is if they go back to that moment at the park and it was nothing but just a hallucination or something like that that Oz wanted to do the Victor but just couldn't find himself to do it
This show didn’t need to be this good, but it up there with Breaking Bad and The Sopranos, and they did it in 8 episodes. Incredible!
I will see I didn't start watching until the fourth episode and I was fascinated. Definitely want more
I really didn't have any expectations whatsoever watching this show, but it really blew my mind. I never imagined I would like it so much, even though I liked Mat Reeves The Batman very much. Great, complex, believable characters, subverting expectations at its best. I mostly rooted for Sofia given what she had been through unfairly. Penguin is such a scumbag, but his decisions make sense from his frame of reference thanks to the very realistic writing and portrayal of his character, psychopathy and all.
What this show does effectively is show us that we shouldn’t trust Oz at all. Every character he involves himself with gives us a reason to hate Oz but the show makes us root for him. From episode 1 to this episode we see a villain, that makes watching it again as appealing as watching the First batman movie again. Victors death hurt so much because even someone who would die for Oz doesn’t make the cut. He loves his mother and more importantly himself more than anyone else. The Penguin show gets a 9/10 from me.
without Vic Oz and sophia dead by marones outside that club, if vic left with his girlfriend
X-men 97 & The Penguin Were Arguably The Best Shows Of 2024
They kill my boy Vic.
Was there an explanation why Penguin got rid of Vic? Other than him being a psychopath.
The theory people is saying is that he became really close to Vic and that would eventually become a weakness to use against him like his mom so he had to take him out
You got what the dude above me said but the way I saw it when I first saw it was. He could have thought Vic would become like him and take his crown.
Bro they literally say it in the show right after Vic calls him family. Vic saw him at his weakest and they’ve been through everything together now, but keeping Vic alive would mean he’d have another weakness that people could take advantage of in the future kinda like how they took his mother to torture him and all that. So killing Vic was out of love(not a good thing either way) so nobody could have that weakness to take advantage of him at the top
I was surprised at the ending. Even though i shouldnt have been. With all episodes showing who the 🐧 really is.
I think im speaking for everyone here when I say im gonna need Batman to beat the hell out of Oz in The Batman Part 2
I don’t mind him killing Vic to show how cutthroat he is but I thought it should’ve been a bigger send off
Rip vic
This show is INSANE.
INSANELY PERFECT!!!!
Him leaving his mom a vegetable when she asked him not to kinda broke me. Might be biased as my mom has Alzheimer's 😮💨
The show was great I enjoyed it a lot
But Colin farrel kinda took the stakes away for the penguin in an interview a few weeks ago. When he said he's in atleast 5/6 scenes in the batman 2 and that he's signed on for 3 batman films. So we know he wasn't gonna die. And as far as I know they haven't even confirmed a third batman movie yet so he spilled the beans there a bit.
Crazy good bro....crazy good
💯🔥💯🔥💯🔥💯🔥💯🔥💯
Penguins lady friend did looked similar to his mom , ppl probably got it the 1st time we saw her but the creepy end set the tone for this universe...
Mam Vic....smh
This show was soooo good. I was so mad about oz killing Vic! I think I’m rooting against Oz now lol
This series would (still kinda is) be the perfect set up for Batman Part 2…IF IT CAME OUT NEXT YEAR. Almost 2 whole years till we get a follow up 🙄
This show felt dirty. And it was. Very well acted though. A new take on a classic villain. What kills me is that they can do this show but not another season of Superman and Lois. It’s the best thing DC has done in years and it doesn’t get the hype it should. Last nights episode was epic and well acted. Tyler Hoechlin always kills it as Superman.
Penguin is pos in the comics. I'm not surprised at all. But he's not the biggest fish in Gotham, is people like Bane, the Joker, and Dr. Hurt.
This was 10 times better than Loki
peak comic tv show
Oswald is sick in the head man, I don’t believe that a person can be too far gone to be saved, it just depends on whether they want to change or not, but my goodness when it comes to Oz I don’t even know what to say bro.
I try to constantly remind myself that I’m not better than anyone or holier than anyone because I’m also a very flawed and sinful person, and the only hope I have is GOD’s grace, but dude this last episode made me so uncomfortable.
Everything about Oswald’s mannerisms were just so disturbing, what he did to his brothers, and his mom, he’s so self deceived and his delusions are so twisted that he was willing to let his mom lose her finger instead of confess what he did to his brothers, and then Vic in the end bro☹️
The moment Oz killed him, the only thing that was on my mind was why didn’t you listen to your Dad when he warned you about being around bad company? I instantly was replaying that scene of him and his dad getting into an argument about if Squid was going to be at the hangout with his friends.
Bad company corrupts good morals. Vic had a chance to leave this life behind, he should have left with his girl when he had the chance, but his desire to “be somebody” got the better of him, and unfortunately it cost him his life.
So much potential in that young man cut short, what a freaking shame😔☹️
Batman, you gotta handle this man.
I was hurt when Vic got took out but then i remembered oz a villain this is good writing
Phenomenal 💯💯💯
I agree with you this show is wild as hell and I didn’t expect Vic to die I was ready to talk shit on Twitter but OZ is just a piece of shit
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The appearance of the bat signal in the end, solidifies Oz as one of the main villains if not the main villain for Batman 2 :)
Good catch. I actually missed the bat signal.
Not just xomic book tv but television in general.. This desoives to be tawlked about with the likes of Boardwalk Empire and Sopranos.. Only reason I don't got it in that conversation of being as good as or better than those is because of time.. Those shows did it for years but if they gave this show that time and it stayed at this level... We'd be talkin about a new king of TV
Man, just in time 😁
I think Victor not protecting Oz's mother made Oz to kill him.
I think he did it cause he truly has no soul. He doesn't care or "love" anyone. He doesn't even love his mother. He has a sick obsession with her
@@DeMarcusFountain-sv6fidefinition of a mommas boy
He said he didn't want to become weak
@@TylerDurden-cu6izExactly idk how people just aren’t paying attention to this show 😂 he literally explains it in the show are people half watching or something?