Listening to this, I think I understand now why LB Specialist is using the 2GR-FE in their Lancia Stratos replica. It’s amazing how close you got the tone of your engine to that Ferrari 2.4 Dino. Sounds every bit as good as the Alfa Busso V6 that those replicas usually get. At least, in my opinion it does
I adore the 2gr motor, I had it in my 07 gs350 and it made like 305hp stock it definitely got along pretty quick. Not as capable as the vq ofc but its still a heavily overlooked v6. Cool build dude
I just got an 07 GS350, which mods would you recommend? Already has aftermarket resonators and mufflers, is a cold air intake worth it? Or should I just go for a performance air filter?
@@sigmamale4147 went well. I have the whole swap documented in videos on my channel. Absolutely love the engine. The sound is absolutely beautiful. So much fun and the car gets constant compliments. It’s a hit at all of the shows I take it to.
@@jrmotorsports5532 ohhh thats nice good for you man, i might watch all of them if i ever think about doing the swap! How much hp are you putting at the wheels ?
@@sigmamale4147 I have not dynoed it but based on Frankensteins info this tune/setup made 304 whp. I can’t remember if that was with an e153 or s54 though. E153 will show less to the wheels.
Sounds awesome. I’m looking for ideas on my 13 Avalon with this engine. But this setup may be more aggressive than what I was thinking. I’m looking for something a little more dad hahahaha. Thanks for posting
I'm glad it helped. One thing to remember is that I've got a very short exhaust with no cats or resonators, so depending on what you're thinking, the results could be much more mellow. Also, I might have had the beginning of an exhaust leak in this video. I just got the exhaust fixed and want to upload a new video.
Was this your 1st ever engine swap? And what advice would you give on putting in a 2gr especially because it will be my 1st ever swap 😅. Also the car sounds great. Much better than the 4 banger squeak
It was. I would say do your research, get in contact with people who've done it (I had a lot of help with random questions from Marc at Frankenstein motorworks), and try to get a donor car with a 2gr (I spent so much money on random parts that would have come in the donor). If you get the right parts, it should pretty much bolt up, with some minor mods like to where the bell housing attaches to the engine and splicing the new engine harness to the old body harness (I had wiregap do it and it worked perfectly). Also, get a good clutch, I've heard too many stories about people with this swap slipping in second. I went with a spec stage 3+ six puck and it chirps into second with 235mm zIIIs (the clutch can more than handle the power). Let me know if you have any other questions, hopefully I can help.
@@Nopenotatall no problem, everyone I've talked to recommended paying someone to do it. It'll cost you, but it's worth it for how much time and aggravation it saves.
@@Mister2_ I sourced all of the parts, but worked with the shop that did it and I want to say it was $3-4k in labor, including fabricating the custom exhaust. Depending where you get your parts, you're probably looking at somewhere between $3-8k (it can vary wildly depending what you pay for stuff), so I don't know, somewhere between $6 -12k depending on tons of factors. I had to buy an e153 trans, along with the axles, hub conversions, different front and rear trans mounts, shift cables, different clutch slave cylinder, etc. So that added a few more grand just in parts.
Hi, did a length of an exhaust would affect the exhaust tone? I've seen camrys with the same engine but the tone doesn't sound as high as you car exhaust tone
There could be a few things. 1: it revs to 7200rpm, vs 6200, 2: there's no catalytic converter so it's more raspy, and 3: the length, if it works anything like an instrument shorter length = higher frequency.
@@MR2GR If I'm not mistaken, in your application, you have equal length headers. Due to packaging constraints, the 2GR-FE has unequal length headers in most Toyota and Lexus automobiles. This, along with the lower 6200 RPM redline and longer exhaust systems, makes for a deeper, more rumbly tone.
@CorollaChronicles Yeah, the frankenstein shorty headers are equal length. I never knew about the unequal length headers on the OEM applications. Thanks for the info.
I swapped out the s54 transmission for the e153. The e153 can take a lot more power and has longer gearing than the s54. I did look a little at 6 speed transmissions, but couldn't find too much info, so I took the proven easy route. The e153 with the tire/rim combo I have runs out of gear around 165mph and sits at ~3.5-4k on the freeway, which isn't great, but not terrible either.
I know that 7200 rpm isn't a big deal for these engines, but would spring and retainers make much of a difference to the tune? Or it wouldn't matter in terms of the tune despite operating under the extra load of heavier duty springs.
I have no idea. The only thing I've seen about raising the rpm limit is that is what the rpm limit is set at for evoras and from what I understand Lotus doesn't change any of the internals. My guess is toyota sets it at 6.2k is because the tq starts to fall off (depending on exhaust, etc.) Around 5.5-6k, so why have it rev any higher if it's going in a minivan or suv?
they can rev to 7500 stock no issues. Tq falls off past 7000 with the mr2 setup so we usually do 7200. With springs and retainers it can rev to 8300 safely but you lose power and just add heat/wear.
How come all 2gr fe swapped MR2 sounds like F1 cars but then when it comes to the 2gr in Camry's it sounds alittle bit like a vq? Is it because the exhaust is shorter??? It just boggles my mind because I want to buy a camry or any car with the 2gr fe and make it sound almost the same as these 2gr fe swap mr2.
I'm pretty sure it's all about the exhaust being shorter. The total length, including headers, probably isn't more than 5 or 6 feet. Also, anyone who is using a Frankenstein motorworks ecu is revving to 7.2k vs the stock 6.2k, which might also make a difference when the engine is really revved out.
I'm not sure. I want to get it dyno'd. The only thing I've seen is the guy from Frankenstein motorworks (I'm using all his parts except the exhaust) and he was in the 270s to the wheels.
@@MR2GR wow..pretty big final ratio if that's the case. 2015 toyota estima/previa (GSR55W) the 2GR-FE mated with 6 speed conventional automatic cruises at 180km/h at 3'000rpm..120km/h at 2'000rpm for eco drive.
I have an 06 avalon with 2gr fe and im thinking about add turbo headers the hole 9 yards lol but it is auto trans what do u think what all did u do to urs
@@Breazeh no adaptor plate is needed. Everything lines up. A little bit of the block needs to be shaved off and one of the holes in the trans needs to be tapped, but otherwise it just bolts up.
Pretty good, I think. The two transmission mounts don't change, and one of the stock engine mounts works. You just need to get (or build) a custom engine mount for one of the sides.
This swap doesn't have a supercharger. But it still depends on what price you can get things for and what you're starting with. I had a NA mr2, so I needed the turbo trans, turbo axles, hub adapters, turbo mounts, turbo shifter linkage, and a turbo (I think it was the master) clutch cylinder. After that, you've got the engine, clutch and flywheel, hacked ecu, new engine mount, spliced engine to body harness, high flow fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, 2gr intake pipe and filter, 2gr headers, custom y-pipe, custom muffler section, replacing the tachometer, new gas pedal, alternator, the correct serpentine belt, modified water neck, I'm sure there are things I'm missing. If you can get a donor car (Camry, sienna, etc.) You can save a lot of money on parts.
The transmission type shouldn't make any difference, maybe between where I'm shifting and an auto would do different stuff with the amount of gas it gives the engine? The big difference is going to be the exhaust components you use and the fact that the camry exhaust is probably twice as long (though I have no idea how much of a difference that makes)
ruclips.net/video/lCkFsd_H_AI/видео.html&ab_channel=Desantn365 this is what it would sound like on an auto trans, assuming you have a similar trans. but ultimately it depends on what trans you have
Listening to this, I think I understand now why LB Specialist is using the 2GR-FE in their Lancia Stratos replica. It’s amazing how close you got the tone of your engine to that Ferrari 2.4 Dino. Sounds every bit as good as the Alfa Busso V6 that those replicas usually get. At least, in my opinion it does
plus more power and better reliability! and I'm sure parts are easier to get too
I adore the 2gr motor, I had it in my 07 gs350 and it made like 305hp stock it definitely got along pretty quick. Not as capable as the vq ofc but its still a heavily overlooked v6. Cool build dude
If it was a is350 defo more capable than a vq
Idk a 2GR-FE has been able to reach 400whp naturally aspirated for a while now, the VQ requires boring out the cylinders to add displacement up to 4L
@@yooooo6296 yee i have a 2gr fe loll monsters
I just got an 07 GS350, which mods would you recommend? Already has aftermarket resonators and mufflers, is a cold air intake worth it? Or should I just go for a performance air filter?
@@aamirkazi1044 I ended up buying my 4th Lexus lmao, which is an is350 rwd and so far I’m in love
Looks like a fun car and a good swap .
Just pulled the 3S out of my car. 2GR install beginning soon.
How did it go man?
@@sigmamale4147 went well. I have the whole swap documented in videos on my channel. Absolutely love the engine. The sound is absolutely beautiful. So much fun and the car gets constant compliments. It’s a hit at all of the shows I take it to.
@@jrmotorsports5532 ohhh thats nice good for you man, i might watch all of them if i ever think about doing the swap! How much hp are you putting at the wheels ?
@@sigmamale4147 I have not dynoed it but based on Frankensteins info this tune/setup made 304 whp. I can’t remember if that was with an e153 or s54 though. E153 will show less to the wheels.
@@sigmamale4147 I’ll also say that having low end torque is so much nicer. The 3S was a dog under 4500 rpm.
I LOVE this engine in an MR2
Sounds awesome. I’m looking for ideas on my 13 Avalon with this engine. But this setup may be more aggressive than what I was thinking. I’m looking for something a little more dad hahahaha. Thanks for posting
I'm glad it helped. One thing to remember is that I've got a very short exhaust with no cats or resonators, so depending on what you're thinking, the results could be much more mellow. Also, I might have had the beginning of an exhaust leak in this video. I just got the exhaust fixed and want to upload a new video.
Like he said cats and resonators with a muffler can quiet down a car lots. Hell my 1zz celica without a muffler is just too loud.
5:35 :D
Was this your 1st ever engine swap? And what advice would you give on putting in a 2gr especially because it will be my 1st ever swap 😅. Also the car sounds great. Much better than the 4 banger squeak
It was. I would say do your research, get in contact with people who've done it (I had a lot of help with random questions from Marc at Frankenstein motorworks), and try to get a donor car with a 2gr (I spent so much money on random parts that would have come in the donor). If you get the right parts, it should pretty much bolt up, with some minor mods like to where the bell housing attaches to the engine and splicing the new engine harness to the old body harness (I had wiregap do it and it worked perfectly).
Also, get a good clutch, I've heard too many stories about people with this swap slipping in second. I went with a spec stage 3+ six puck and it chirps into second with 235mm zIIIs (the clutch can more than handle the power).
Let me know if you have any other questions, hopefully I can help.
The00steve thanks man, my main nightmare is the harness lol
@@Nopenotatall no problem, everyone I've talked to recommended paying someone to do it. It'll cost you, but it's worth it for how much time and aggravation it saves.
@@MR2GR if you were to have someone do the swap
turn key ready
how much do you think it would be?
@@Mister2_ I sourced all of the parts, but worked with the shop that did it and I want to say it was $3-4k in labor, including fabricating the custom exhaust. Depending where you get your parts, you're probably looking at somewhere between $3-8k (it can vary wildly depending what you pay for stuff), so I don't know, somewhere between $6 -12k depending on tons of factors.
I had to buy an e153 trans, along with the axles, hub conversions, different front and rear trans mounts, shift cables, different clutch slave cylinder, etc. So that added a few more grand just in parts.
Subbed!!! Thanks! Great video... Encouraging.
Hi, did a length of an exhaust would affect the exhaust tone? I've seen camrys with the same engine but the tone doesn't sound as high as you car exhaust tone
There could be a few things. 1: it revs to 7200rpm, vs 6200, 2: there's no catalytic converter so it's more raspy, and 3: the length, if it works anything like an instrument shorter length = higher frequency.
My Camry goes to 8k? Gets High pitched around 4k
@@MR2GR If I'm not mistaken, in your application, you have equal length headers. Due to packaging constraints, the 2GR-FE has unequal length headers in most Toyota and Lexus automobiles. This, along with the lower 6200 RPM redline and longer exhaust systems, makes for a deeper, more rumbly tone.
@CorollaChronicles Yeah, the frankenstein shorty headers are equal length. I never knew about the unequal length headers on the OEM applications. Thanks for the info.
Did you ever look into a 6 speed transmission? Having that extra gear would be great for cruising.
I swapped out the s54 transmission for the e153. The e153 can take a lot more power and has longer gearing than the s54. I did look a little at 6 speed transmissions, but couldn't find too much info, so I took the proven easy route.
The e153 with the tire/rim combo I have runs out of gear around 165mph and sits at ~3.5-4k on the freeway, which isn't great, but not terrible either.
I know that 7200 rpm isn't a big deal for these engines, but would spring and retainers make much of a difference to the tune? Or it wouldn't matter in terms of the tune despite operating under the extra load of heavier duty springs.
I have no idea. The only thing I've seen about raising the rpm limit is that is what the rpm limit is set at for evoras and from what I understand Lotus doesn't change any of the internals.
My guess is toyota sets it at 6.2k is because the tq starts to fall off (depending on exhaust, etc.) Around 5.5-6k, so why have it rev any higher if it's going in a minivan or suv?
they can rev to 7500 stock no issues. Tq falls off past 7000 with the mr2 setup so we usually do 7200. With springs and retainers it can rev to 8300 safely but you lose power and just add heat/wear.
You can get retainer and spring kits made for 8200 rpm
How come all 2gr fe swapped MR2 sounds like F1 cars but then when it comes to the 2gr in Camry's it sounds alittle bit like a vq?
Is it because the exhaust is shorter???
It just boggles my mind because I want to buy a camry or any car with the 2gr fe and make it sound almost the same as these 2gr fe swap mr2.
I'm pretty sure it's all about the exhaust being shorter. The total length, including headers, probably isn't more than 5 or 6 feet. Also, anyone who is using a Frankenstein motorworks ecu is revving to 7.2k vs the stock 6.2k, which might also make a difference when the engine is really revved out.
@@MR2GR Probably because of the aftermarket headers, Camry's do not have even length runners for packaging reasons.
Im assuming you are using the shorty headers? what mid pipe are you using?
They're the headers from Frankenstein Motorworks. frankensteinmotorworks.squarespace.com/shop/headers
The mid pipe was custom built by a local shop.
Holy fuck that is the rarest swap for mr2 probs so much fun you know how much hp it makes with the bolt ons??
I'm not sure. I want to get it dyno'd. The only thing I've seen is the guy from Frankenstein motorworks (I'm using all his parts except the exhaust) and he was in the 270s to the wheels.
@@MR2GR thats really cool. That engine is really cool and sounds very different.. probs better than a hr hahah
I love the 2grfe but this exaust makes it sound like fast farts
What does the transmission rev at around 70-80mph on the freeway for rpms?
It revs to 7.200rpm. At 80, it's sitting around 3,500 in 5th gear.
@@MR2GR 5th gear is top gear or still have overdrive gear?
@@QAT4969 5th is top gear.
@@MR2GR wow..pretty big final ratio if that's the case. 2015 toyota estima/previa (GSR55W) the 2GR-FE mated with 6 speed conventional automatic cruises at 180km/h at 3'000rpm..120km/h at 2'000rpm for eco drive.
@@QAT4969 that 6th makes sense. I'm at around 2.8k at 75mph (120kph) in 5th. I would love to have a 6th for cruising.
I have an 06 avalon with 2gr fe and im thinking about add turbo headers the hole 9 yards lol but it is auto trans what do u think what all did u do to urs
It says what I did 7 seconds into the video.
What kind of transmission did you use?
An e153.
@@MR2GR how many holes line up? Adapter plate needed?
@@Breazeh no adaptor plate is needed. Everything lines up. A little bit of the block needs to be shaved off and one of the holes in the trans needs to be tapped, but otherwise it just bolts up.
@@MR2GR very cool, thank you sir!
How’d the engine mounts line up?
Pretty good, I think. The two transmission mounts don't change, and one of the stock engine mounts works. You just need to get (or build) a custom engine mount for one of the sides.
You can buy the mount right off the shelf to make it work: frankensteinmotorworks.squarespace.com/shop/z1q8jriaazi18380dzz4qcukkdubkz
Yes, I used this stuff. If you're doing this swap, buy Frankenstein Motorworks stuff. It'll do you good.
How much was this swap without supercharged?
This swap doesn't have a supercharger. But it still depends on what price you can get things for and what you're starting with. I had a NA mr2, so I needed the turbo trans, turbo axles, hub adapters, turbo mounts, turbo shifter linkage, and a turbo (I think it was the master) clutch cylinder. After that, you've got the engine, clutch and flywheel, hacked ecu, new engine mount, spliced engine to body harness, high flow fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, 2gr intake pipe and filter, 2gr headers, custom y-pipe, custom muffler section, replacing the tachometer, new gas pedal, alternator, the correct serpentine belt, modified water neck, I'm sure there are things I'm missing. If you can get a donor car (Camry, sienna, etc.) You can save a lot of money on parts.
What about for the newer model Mr-s spyder? Same set up
@@rolldog82 No idea. I assume you need many of the same parts. I've seen people do the swap before.
$3000 to $5000 for the swap you think?
@@rolldog82 If you're starting with a mkii turbo, get good deals on all of the parts, and do the work yourself, 5k sounds possible.
Sabuscribed for great sounds.
You think it would sound good on an auto transmission
The transmission type shouldn't make any difference, maybe between where I'm shifting and an auto would do different stuff with the amount of gas it gives the engine?
The big difference is going to be the exhaust components you use and the fact that the camry exhaust is probably twice as long (though I have no idea how much of a difference that makes)
ruclips.net/video/lCkFsd_H_AI/видео.html&ab_channel=Desantn365
this is what it would sound like on an auto trans, assuming you have a similar trans. but ultimately it depends on what trans you have
Sound like E46 M3
It sounds like a 4 cylinder with a punched muffler. This is a horrible example of a 2g swap :(