Coin Ring Tools Do Not HAVE To Cost $1000’s - Low Cost Tool Recommendations
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The only thing your missing here is your torch to aneal ( heating ) the metal as you strech it. Working on metal hardens it which is why you get cracks and splits. It you heated it to red hot after every step, that wouldn't happen. I'm a Jeweler. I am excited to get into coin ring making ! Thanks for the ideas !
You are 100% correct. Annealing took me way too long to try but is super useful.
Reading some of the comments it seems quite a few kinda dishing the man a little about the cheap tools , i'm pretty sure he said that if your just starting you can get these beginners tools . and showed they could work , and go from there !
Yes the point of this video is to show you can make coin rings without investing in expensive tools. It can be easier to start with fancy tools but I think you miss some of the fundamentals and no everyone can afford them.
This is a great video to show how you don't need a million dollars in tools to make something!
The only tip I'd like to add is in terms of removing the center spike from the stretcher. If you were to take a piece of 2x4 (or even a piece of 1x3) and drill a hole that is just wide enough to fit the area below the stretcher rings, but not wide enough to allow the bottom collar to fit through. Drill it near the edge so that you can cut the sides and wind up with a "U shaped" area. Clamp it to a bench so you can slide the unit in from the side. That way, the stretcher will be supported by the collar, and the force will be directly on the spike. So much of the force of each blow is being absorbed by your hand being deflected. It's like trying to hit a ball that is moving away from you. It's the same principle as the bracing blocks on the press. Imagine trying to just hold the punch set underneath with only your hand. All of the force would be absorbed as your hands is pushed down.
Hope this helps.
Hi, first of all, I think you're doing a great job. I don't have a large budget, but I have found it is better to purchase the Chinese ring stretcher for between $100.00 - $200.00, simply because it does the work most of the other tools you mentioned. You can cone with it, shape it, and size it all with the same tool. Of course, you still need your reamer, ball bearing, mandrel with sizes, but that's it. If you plan on making any older quarter rings than 1965, you will need to anneal it. Mark it with a sharpie pen and heat just enough to make the sharpie mark disappear. Then drop in water to cool. If you try to heat it too much, you will distort it or melt it. I think you present very well.
Thanks for watching! A ring stretcher is definitely a good investment.
Just made a '72 half dollar. You have to anneal. Yes I did this your way without all of the fancy tools and dies. Nice work. I used the same forming block, lol and stretcher etc. Keep on rockin it brother!
Annealing definitely helps 😅
@@CoinRingMaker the quarters are thinner so you can get away without annealing. that is cool. The half dollar was a beast. Fun stuff. ttyl
if you used a brass hammer or a brass drift on your stretcher you would have the benefits of a metal hammer and the benefits of not damaging your tool.
Hes going to get that off there come bleed or blister ! great video , very informative .
For us beginners this is the best tutorial on you-tube, nice job 👍
You are very welcome 😎👍
Thank you for the best of the dozens of instructional videos I've watched!
Thanks for watching! 😎👍
I aneal my coins every time I change their appearance to avoid splitting the coin / ring, when I first started making coin rings I did not aneal enough and split many, the most important step is to ensure that You are annealing enough, much easier to work with the coin and tools if the silver is soft
Making rings here for years i love the way you keep it simple. Using the domingblock for the first press is very helpfull. Minute 26.50 in your video, instead of hamering it out you might use the press. Thank you for the great video👍👍
Thanks for the video, always good to listen to the voice of experience, we can all learn more, none of us no everything. I'm almost 70 and still eager to learn and increase my scope of knowledge. Thanks again
Glad you liked it 😁👍
Thank you, I am just about to expand a little business from making keyrings, necklaces from coins and about to invest into coins. Thank you for sharing all your knowledge gained by research and hard work! Good job buddy.
Thanks for showing us a cheap way to enter this hobby. May I suggest lubricating the rathburn spike.
Not a bad idea. It works much better if you use a plastic hammer, won’t mushroom out.
Thanks for the well-explained, upfront video, much appreciated
You’re welcome
You could make a plunger up stop as I’m sure most punches are within 2 inches. So set the upper stop block so it only goes up 1-2 inches after the punch struck.
A wonderful and distinguished channel. I wish there was an Arabic translation.. Thank you and we are always waiting for your new one
Wow! Thank you very much
If you use some burrlife or coconut oil you won’t struggle so much. Use it where any two surfaces touch when forming. Plus it can help keep the details on the coin.
Some tools are absolutely, 100 percent worth the extra money. Had I known when I started making jewelry what I know now, I would have just invested in better tools. The dapping set from harbor freight that I got for example, has a 2'' convex dome in the block, but the largest punch is about 1'' um.... then when you take into consideration the time spent to finish them properly and the money on the tools needed to do said finishing, if I did a great deal of dapping, it would have been worth the money to just buy a proper dapping set.
I totally agree but you’ve got to start somewhere and if you hadn’t started with lesser tools you wouldn’t appreciate the better ones. At least that’s how I look at it.
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Thanks for watching
Very interesting video. Breaks down the steps in simple format to understand. Also nice knowing you do not have to invest in expensive equipment to get started. Thanks for the video!
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Use a hose clamp to compress the stretcher so you can move the ring down. Annealing will make your work easier too
Appreciate the tips! I’ve come a long way since this video, got some better tools as well. Annealing helps a ton! Took me too long to try it but now it’s common practice.
@@CoinRingMaker I have the same stretcher, took me fumbling and cussing to realize that a worm drive hose clamp would work! We learn the hard way dont we. School of Hard Knocks
One thing I would like to mention is that if you have an arbor press you will not be punching holes into coins with it. You need a hydraulic press to do that. But if you are worried about punching a hole with only a hammer (place the punch and die on wood base not stone or concrete) don't it's quite easy to do
I now just use a plastic teardrop hammer to punch holes. It works great.
I put the punch on a metal stamping block.
Try a rubber mallet on your tools. More heft.
I use a plastic hammer now, works great. Much easier on the tools. A normal hammer is definitely not the best option but it’s what I had at the time.
You: "I don't want you to be that guy" Me: "I think I wanna be that guy, since I discovered jewelry making thanks to my girlfriend who's been making jewelry for years, I don't care how much the tools may cost, I want things done fast & perfect with least human effort, so I'mma get all the best tools available :)"
Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for watching 😎👍
@@CoinRingMaker Yup you may have triggered a new hobby for me!
Like the video, hate that you used ebay as links because every single one is a dead link. Probably should have used something that might last.
Thanks for pointing this out, I’ll try and add some links that are alive.
You might try a brass hammer. Will not mushroom the metal.
I have since switched to a plastic hammer, works much better. Metal on metal was dumb. Live and learn.
thanks for the knowledge!
You’re welcome
I would, instead of buying that stretcher, buy the next smallest die and put the ring on top of the die, then you shove the cone through the cutside of the ring to stretch the ring out! It stretches evenly around the band instead of just 6 individual points!
Great point! I’ve seen others do this but haven’t tried it too much myself.
Any video suggestions for this method?
Dude you don't need a 20-ton press with a harbor freight coin puncher. I have one and you can hit it with a hammer just like the little one you have there.
Turn your ring over on the mandrel I've made over 50 rings with the same foot of pvc.
Old school i love it!!!! Cool video btw really good video it’s how I started also.... your voice reminds me of a mellow fencekid
Well thank you very much 😎👍
Great video. Thank you.
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching
just use a metal softer then the metal your hitting perhaps brass
I use a plastic hammer now
HEY DUDE YOU KNOW WHAT I USE FOR THE STRETCHING AND HOW YOU GOT THE RING STUCK? All around on the mandrill even just when it’s barley getting curved in day from the damping block. Seriously try some PVC pipe. You can cut the edge to any shape you need. I use a full circle and a half circle. That’s just at the end of the pipe. To use it with the hammer going down or whatever. It won’t scratch and you can hammer it down and go right over the mandrill if the pipe (pvc) is way to big or to small that’s why I have one at the end as a half circle. This helps because the pvc pipe can’t slide over the shaft and connect with the ring. Hope this helps I’ve never thought about explaining it. Works super super great..! Think hammer and chisel but your chisel is a plastic pipe. 👍🏽 use the grey ones they are 100 times stronger. Maybe not a 100 but you know..
For sure! I’ve got a video here of me using a pvc pipe in just that way. ruclips.net/video/zFRuw9A9SrY/видео.html
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Thank you very much.
You’re welcome 😎👍
A little bit of silicaone lube on that metal stretcher would go a long way.
Hey bud I may be wrong but it seems like your listing your press every time you use it? Is that right? If it is I hope you do know you don’t have to do that at all. All you need is just enough to pull out and insert.. that alone will save you so much trouble/time. Don’t know what kind of jack you have. The ones that can be turned like a screw can be fixed up in a way I can’t believe they don’t sell it as an option. Hook up a cordless or corded drill. Especially those little impact drivers they make now. Very simply it would do all you need in a super small fraction of the time.if you have one that pumps up and down. You can still use a drill you just need to build or by an adaptor that will kinda work like under the truck. The way kinda of like anU-joint the drive shafts. Trani.. that kinda deal. To be able to go from a circular motion through the adaptor would slow it to go round.. hope this helps a tiny bit dude.
so instead of using the metal hammer on the ring stretcher and ending up with a flared punch, have you tried a deadblow hammer or a rubber mallet? just curious, i amm not even positive that it would work, also loved the video! very informative!
I currently use a plastic hammer, it’s much easier on my tools 😅
Life is a learning experience, even for seasoned coin makers , you need to learn how to use the press 😂😂😂.
I have, lol. This video is pretty old.
@@CoinRingMaker you’ve come a long way , to the rank of Master ring maker online , I love your creativity, enjoy your vids , keep them coming best channel out there , at 61 I am learning so much from you when it comes to ring making .
Thanks for the info! Is there a smaller alternative to the 1 ton press? I don’t have the space for one, but I also don’t want to make too much noise hammering.
You could use a ring stretcher reducer, they are a little smaller than the one ton. You should probably bolt it down somewhere though.
Good video, thanks for sharing, I learned a lot.👍
You are very welcome 😎👍
U r amazing person u said it all super helpful thank u bunch ❤❤❤❤❤
You are so welcome! Thanks for watching 😎👍
I do not know shit but i have a sugestion. Perhaps you could put a sacrificial ring on the madril before the proces, which can then be used to knock down the ring that is stuck.
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Hello from Australia, Love your content, have only just started researching coin ring making, and found this video of yours but I was wondering, do these North American tools from Harbor Freight, will they work with Australian coins? I am just a beginner so I do not want to make assumptions based on my lack of knowledge in this craft. Thank you so much for your knowledge, wisdom, time, and best efforts.
Yes those tools should work on most coins. Thanks for watching!
Thank you very informational video 👍🏽👍🏽🇲🇽
I’m glad you liked it
Thanks for the great points im wondering how i would make a size
6 ring
You may need the next size down reduction die from what you are using. I used to use a quarter laying on top of the ring so I could push it further down in the die to get smaller rings. A washer would probably work better as a quarter tends to push its details into the sides of the ring.
I bought the self centering punch kit and had to smack the f@#k out of it about 10 times with a gympie on florins and 5 times on 50 cent silver rounds. Im mean its exhausting work. Im buying a 6 ton press tomorrow and using that with the SC punch.
The press should definitely make punching holes easier. Wear eye protection and brace for the snap.
@@CoinRingMaker Thanks for the warning. Its like thunder. Makes a loud crack, but harmless. It took me a couple of goes to gather the courage to keep hold of the punch. Now im doin it like a pro 😎
I didn’t see any kneeling going on. Is that a necessary step in this process? Do you need to use the kneeling on silver, do you need to use annealing on regular cloud coins? Appreciate any answers. I think your video was super!
When I first started I was very hardheaded about annealing. I thought it was a waste of time and didn’t give it a chance for too long. It is definitely an important step. I highly recommend annealing especially with 90% silver. Copper is a bit less brittle than silver so you can stretch it more without annealing but it is much safer and easier if you do anneal.
While watching the video, the one with the low-cost tools, I noticed that you said you’ve been doing this for about 300 days. And you’ve made one ring per day, 300 rings does a lot of rings, are they all the same size? Is all your stock one size? And when you get an order for them is that when you’re sizing I was just curious on how that was done.
I really enjoy your videos, and I am seriously getting into this ring, making hobby Thanks again, TONY from Texas.
You can premake, then resize rings. However you never really know what state or year or coin type your next customer would like. So for that reason I usually make everything I sell to order. I did try to make at least 1 ring a day for the first year to stay sharp. At this point I’ve got it down good enough I don’t have to do as much practice.
Get you a brass hammer to drive that ring stretcher apart!
Smart!
Thanks
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Somebody ripped you off! Your “20 ton press” says “12 ton” on it! Ha!
Lol
The extra 8 tons comes from this 💪 😎
@@CoinRingMaker I hear ya HULK! A question. On some YT coin ring videos, the makers heat the coin up to anneal it, sometimes more than once. Do you not find that necessary? I’m just starting into this endeavor, so I’m full of questions! Thanks, and happy fourth!
With copper or clad coins I don’t have to anneal unless I’m going over size 10. With silver I anneal.
@@CoinRingMaker Thanks! Now I have to figure out which Rathburn to buy!
If u stop ur hydraulic jack from going all the up, u don't have to jack it down the 4 inch back to ur work Every time
True, I used it for a couple different things which are different heights so it’s just kind of a thing.
No worries nice work
Thanks
Have I thought about a brass hammer in stead of nylon?
Lol I have. I just haven’t found one.
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Also there are links in the description. 😎👍
Great video! Can you post a link to the block and ball set you recommend please? The ball link on your website didn't work for me. I'm very interested in getting started! Thanks!
I currently use 3/4 inch delrin balls. They are hard plastic. Sorry I need to update my website links 🤪
No problem. Thank you for that info I will look into it.
A machinist hammer or a brass hammer will work better
I use a plastic hammer now
@Coin Ring Maker how is the coin ring making going? I researched this 3yrs ago. I was going to start but I got distracted by life 😁. I'm still interested and am looking to give it another try.
Thanks for your reply 👍 and tips
I love it!
@Coin Ring Maker great 👍! I can't wait to do my first ring.
Where did you get your arbor press? Tons? $? Thanks
1 ton from harbor freight. I’ve heard it’s harder to find them there this year, but there are 1 tons on Amazon that I’m sure will work just as good.
Where can you get the double sided folding dies for silver Dollar, half dollar, and quarter's.? I saw on one of your videos that you had them and the coin size was marked on them, thank you
I got those from CoinRingUSA on Etsy but it looks like they are sold out ☹️
@@CoinRingMaker Oh bummer, I liked them, the way they were marked and watched the video how you demonstrated how they worked, and the design, hopefully they will get some more on soon, thank you for your response.
went toi the FOLDING BALL SET on your website link and it shows CURTAINS !!????
Whoa! That’s messed up. I’ll check it out.
Fixed it… for now. Thanks for the heads up. 😎👍
Do you do consignment?
I do. You can email me at info@coinringmaker.com
Can you just not cut the ring with a jewellers saw?
You could I guess
So wait- just to clarify, the 1 ton arbor press you use around 11:00- is that enough to punch a nice clean hole all the way through on its own? Or do you need the 20 ton press?
Most of the time I use a hammer (brass if you can find one, plastic works too). On super thick coins I use a 12 ton press. The one ton will not punch the hole size you need but a hammer can.
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I have a question regarding making coin rings. I have practiced on steel coins (which don't need to be annealed, btw) and made a couple of silver ones as well. But non of mine ever turn out looking anything like the ones I see made in videos. Even the coins with relatively deep images in them seem to have weak images at the end and after polishing the images are all but invisible. What am I doing wrong?
I am using the exact same tools as shown in the thumbnail for the video. I bought a folding die set as shown and the stretcher as shown separately. I have made rings out of 25¢ coins both steel and one silver. The silver one split but that was my fault for not annealing it at all. How do you get the dark contrasting coloring as yours have at the end? Just wearing the rings rub the contrary away. The steel rings dull to grey and even rust if worn overnight and the silver ones polish off the dark parts
Liver of sulfur is a pretty popular darkening agent. Maybe try rapping your rings in plumbing tape when reducing, this helps keep details. Steel and iron rust so I don’t use them.
Same answer. Put plumbing tape round. About 10-20 times should do
How many $.25 rings does it take to buy a $500.00 ring stretcher?
At $10 each, 50
This hobby or small business is a disease you want to get the best tools. I started 6 years ago with the basic tools now I all the new toys. Hahaha
Truth! Between tools and coins I always have something on my wish list. It never ends. 😆
Me too , damn it , but making or creating things is so relaxing .
Man I seriously am getting into making rings this year. Been working with some stone aged tools I've made myself. Mandril is a cresent wrench with the pointed handle lol. I want to make rings for a small income. Think it'll work in today's markets ??
Why hammer your expanding fixture use your press. U r not a sheet metal guy.
It’s a bit difficult to fit all that under the press
£40.00 for a 3D printed coin centre is a bit steep by anyones standard Inc shipping to UK thats $52 twice as much as a quarter punch Jeeeze
Great video! Very helpful!
I’m glad you found it helpful 😁
Punch anf die set for dime and penny howw much cost
I haven’t seen any that small, I’m not sure. You’ll have to look around.
Here’s one for $40 www.etsy.com/listing/879419398/
Where do I buy your tools?
coinringmaker.com/recommended-coin-ring-tools/
How much for press $$$
It was $45 when I got it 3 years ago, my guess now is something like $60. It’s a 1 ton arbor press.
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