What is your opinion on ACC (even other game) setups? Did you ever try proper good setup done by some esport driver or you make setups yourself? Do you think you could improve by driving better setup?
Yeah since I came to my peak new setups could give me some time but I drive RUclips seutps I don't want spend money on it, I'm like 1,5 - 2s off eSports pace
HoLiFuk! The changes in the game made me give up on setups, 'cause i can't make them myself, so i was buying them, or getting them from you. At one point i just gave up and said, that custom setups are wasted on me and went back to default setups. I thought that if i can be about 3.5s off the pace, i'm satisfied. But seeing how much of a difference it is... I mean... OMG! No no, OMFG! Does anybody have a setup for Aston pls? :D Anyway, there's still the question of me actually knowing how to benefit from custom setups... I'm a potato already so i have my doubts...
Im like 4-5 seconds off esports pace but I'm playing ocassionally and default setups, so I think that when I will drive more and have setup that could give me 2-3 seconds
I honestly think that the aggressive setups in ACC are solid as I used to get pace during league races with them. But if you really want the ultimate time you’re capable of I’d say you’d need to adjust them a bit.
@@ronnietherapper2477 Yeah, agree. A lot is learning the car and how setup changes impact the feel of the car. I usually only adjust Brakebias, ABS, Rideheight and Aero to match my driving style.
The game has changed so much since realease that default setups haven't been tweaked along with the physic updates, hence being off the pace when being compared to pro setups. Would be nice to have a default setup update for a few cars 😅.
Bro I started playing this game last week I was using default setup and practicing in spa I only could manage 2;19 lap times and I was trying so hard to get the 2;17 but it was not possible 😂 I found a set up online and straight away I got 2;18 then eventually 2;17s
The defaults were updated for the American DLC... so you can just transfer some of the setup principles from the American tracks to the other tracks. It won't be perfect this way, but it's in the ballpark of the updated physics.
I have spent many many hours trying to improve aggressive preset setups. When I tried buying pro setups, I was sometimes only marginally quicker, but not as consistent. The difference is the driver - you need to be able to drive well enough to exploit a pro setup before you can go quicker with it.
are you sure that the setups you bought are the same ones used by the freaks?? The truth here you never know...there has never been a freak who did a live show with a setup shown to everyone...1 setup for one track only...never...better to keep everything hidden...
Here's my thing - you spent many, many hours. While the paid setup's not that much faster, how much are those many many hours worth? Personally, I'm considering paid setups for this reason.
Ive seen a "pro setup", but it looks more like they take advantages of different things in the physics engine, than based on real driving. So a caster maxed out for example, stiffest springs, stiffest rollbars, driving the car on the bumpstops. This car would not be fast in real life. Same thing in older sims ive driven, (where the fastest guys also drove with joysticks to be able to drive the car in a way you would never do in real life). So the better the physics engine gets, the worse these setups will be luckily.
@@AndrewTSqFunny how to you that and it did happen. Over the 1 of patches for console I've noticed braking being way different and more like real life and curbs punishing people that want to cut. Fully engaging ABS and trailing off works but I found for races longer than 15 min it can real f@#k up your tires (tyres). I threshold brake most of the time now unless there is a crash or brakes are cold. From what I here most console players use aggressive setups anyways whether or not they tune them some more I'm not quite sure. I just use aggressive and leave it alone. I love battling the understeer and oversteer because it can make you a faster DRIVER not just the car.
On throttle rotation and the ability to get the front tires to bite on entry are the two biggest differences I've seen between the top setups and the Aggressive default.
Informative video. I had no doubt that esport setup would must faster than default agg setup. Then again, if Kunos actually updated their default setups it may be a little closer.
Great video, please do more of this kind (comparison between pro and default aggressive setups). As I mostly use the default aggressive, the video is also a great way to see where I stand:)
Thank you thank you! I’ve been watching your videos for a while (sorry thought I subscribed a while ago..) the set up info you provided helped a ton. I’ve always driven the Ferrari and adapted my driving to its style because I know NOTHING about set up. I always thought, as you said it was very under steery. After watching this and following your notes, wow what a difference! I only did a few laps at Brands Hatch, but noticed a big difference instantly. Can’t wait to try other tracks now! Thanks again, keep up the great videos. Scott
Personally, I don't like the big advantage the setups give you. Just one thing more ppl will charge you for, because not everyone has the time and resources to develop a perfect setup for every car and track. It is something that should be built into the game already. They should at least release a good default aggressive setup that is in line with 1.8.
Love it! Great video and very needed! I see a lot of people still telling others who are looking for help that they shouldn't be using setups and should only use default aggressive until they are within a couple tenths of the faster drivers. I would say watching this, with you being fast enough to show an actual comparison, is a great way to show that setups are a huge part of this game, and even if not esports level, people should be encouraged to learn how to use them for their own benefit. Also... do Mclaren at spa next! The bump stop change in 1.8 really hit the default setup there hard. 😉
@@DJeb86 totally agreeing with this. I just wish I understood the setups more, I keep trying but unless you're 100% consistent you can't tell if your driving has improved or if it's the setup... I end up adapting to any tweaks which likely is causing bad habits.
@@atticushexcel9567 Nils said: When the game came out, cars had pretty decent and fast setups. Then ACC went through massive physics updates, cars started to behave differently, but setups were never updated. Now the setups are crap, slow, unstable, understeery + oversteery at the same time,...
Great video, I would love to see more cars tested as it can be seen that each setup was bad in different way! EDIT: My bet is on Bentley not having great aggressive setup, as it doesn't feel the same way to me, as you described in your top 5 rookie cars video. There I can see that setup can make or break the feel of the car. I remember when I bought ACC and obviously started on safe setups, which are made understeery on purpose. After transitioning from AC, I was surprised how much I didn't like the game, but after a while I realized it was precisely because of those setups, even just transitioning from safe to aggressive setups made the game so much more enjoyable to me as cars suddenly became much more fun to drive. Now I am intrigued how much more would I enjoy the game with a proper setup! As I didn't like the Honda precisely because of reasons mentioned in the video. I really think that Kunos should pay more attention to how setups are made, as it can make or break the feel of the game for new players, who based on their initial impressions could just stop playing or stay and potentially race online or buy some DLCs.
Well done, Jardier. This one will come up in a few conversations I'm sure. :) The highest rated driver in iRacing said that what he didn't like about ACC is that "2 clicks on a damper and it's a different car". And unlike your average sim racer, real life drivers have engineers doing this stuff for them. Factor in all the 'electrickery' between the driver and tyres, the (arguably) exaggerated pressure and temp effects, and you can see how ACC can be a frustrating sim for many.
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience. My first comment would be that I am totally unable to drive the car around the track like you, especially at kyalami. The use you are making of the all track available is just insane, and explains already why you are fast. Regarding the setup, I agree 100% that a appropriate setup for the driver makes the driving experience a lot more enjoyable, and for sure improves a lot the global pace. But these "esports" setup applies to only 1% of the already most gifted pilots. For average pilots like me, it is just impossible to manage , a little like Grand prix legends in 30/85 differential a long time ago These setups make an optimized use of the game physics , and are not for everyone (especially for those not having hundreds and hundreds of hours of training and races). Of course I can not qualify good an LFM with about the agressive setup , and I have to start at the back, but it remains that at the end I stayed on the track and can to finish around the 12th position. Some very quick guys are out after two laps. What's the point ? Important is to have fun, make some observation and with the time try to become a better driver. The place at the end doesn't really care, because even if some people told you it is a simulation, the true story is that it is just a GAME with nothing to win (except for a very few people). Another important thing is not to pay to much attention at what are the laptimes of the other pilot, especially at LFM for example. Or it may be very frustrating Qualifiying at imola in 1:40 is not an normal laptime for a rookie, even on split 1. There is about 65000 users, and there always be pilots quicker than us average pilots. I am already very satisfied when i can brake my personal laptime, stay in the same lap as the winner, and so on. ....Important is the fun we can retire from a hobby. Or it would be better to switch to something else !
Hey Jardier and friends. I don't know if people understand how frustrating it can be to just get into sim racing and serious enough to get a full rig... work hard to learn and become better, and not have any proper references or friends to help and learn to develop setups like this. I'd probably say that it's way harder than actually learning to drive. I know you can't share your competition setup, but can you tell us how different it is (1 to 10 or something) than the default aggressive in some aspects like aero and suspension, etc? When learning about setups, you always hear to test small changes and one at a time so I get worried about pushing things to the extreme. Hard to understand when its a setup change or when its my driving that is improving/declining.
so few whom actually share the knowledge for building a good set up (e sports). Its part of the reason why so many give up. In a way it's limiting the sport from growing at its full potential. Seems more like showing off, than the passing of knowlege and encouragement needed to ensure a growing culture and community.
@@bigredracingteam9642, appreciate the feedback. I consistently get to within 1-1.5 sec of Jardiers lap times on any given track frankly because I spend so much time analyzing my driving so I think I'm at least at being consistent in my driving. LOL, I actually use him as my baseline for a goal so I can compete soon at high level plus he is hugely entertaining and nice. The question I have is, "Am I 1-1.5 sec slower because I can't have a supremely solid oversteer setup like Yas Heat can put out or am I just still learning to drive? Building those setups myself to answer that question seems to be near impossible without confirmation of experienced players.
@@everythingNotHere it’s the same in all sports. Athletes and teams keep secrets to have an advantage. The CDA team are at least showing how they build the setups in live streams sometimes. No values shown but you can hear how they think and approach a problem. I’m a ”default agg” guy and I’m struggling too.
For me, getting proper e-sport setups für each track for "mine" car, was truely a game changer! I get the same heavy understear feel of driving, when I use the default aggressive setup and I am seconds slower per lap. I've bought the setup pack from Go-Setups. Their setups give me also this mild overstear I love and need to do good laptimes, but also stay competive and stable in races. I love it. Without getting such good setups I would have stopped driving ACC I must say :)
This video is a great demonstration of the gap between a good and an average setup. Drivers in the real world have a team of engineers and strategists behind them that can help them to achieve the best setup for their driving style and the best strategy for a race. Your general run of the mill Sim Racers have to "know it all" and do it on the fly. When you want to make it big in the E-Sports world, you need a good team (or close community) of Sim Racers that are willing to work together to make the whole team performing at a higher level.
I have never experienced a pro set up so its always been aggressive and tinker until I find more speed. I rarely use the Ferrari or Honda as I feel like the aggressive set just gives me constant front rear changing balance. The video is interesting due to showing what is capable from a better set up. But, I do think that set up is partially an individual thing and what may work well for one person may not work for another. I can see why people charge for proven generic set ups though, its a painful process that can take a long time! I'd quite like to see a similar test at Spa. Great video as usual. 👍👍👍
I was very happy with the analysis, because I am approximately 2 seconds away from the pros, before playing ACC I played Richard Burns Rally with European Aliens, it took 4 seconds on average (which for Rally is not bad). Played RBR in czech plugin between 2006 and 2010;
I've always said default aggressive is not competitive. The only people who say they are just want an advantage over you on their custom setup. Why there isn't just BoP only races is beyond me, even if they made an "extreme", bop that didn't have all that understeer.
@@MOzEDiTz there's a load on RUclips but there's also a load missing. Trust me I feel your pain, I use the same scuffed honda setup for every track and it's only half a setup from jardiers stream 😅
Great Video. Makes me really curious how much faster i would actually be with a proper setup. Only ever driven with the aggressive defaults for the Lambo
Poor Aris. He tries to convince us that the problem is between the chair and the steering wheel and here comes Jardier and shows that a proper setup is actually worth quite a lot.
I'd still argue that in most cases it's a driver problem, not a setup problem. But the default setups deserve an overhaul for sure. They all seem to suffer from on throttle understeer, some break out under throttle release or braking (yes I'm talking about hte Porker). It's not ideal for new drivers because it can reinforce bad habits. More neutral and predictable setups would be great.
@@tobias2252 i agree with you, a lot off ther time is the driver, setup does not make you beter, thats wy the setups y shere with hevery body are made to do the car beter to drive, not the fastest, wich brings consistenci, and that takes you to the end off a race in a beter position, have a nice day
Since every other online game ive played (especially made in unreal engine) have had cheaters even in the top tier of players, I wonder how it looks in ACC, since this game seem to lack any anticheat software. Fortnite which is unreal engine who has anticheat engines running has a big problem with cheating.
I'd suggest to also try the safe setup if you struggle. The safe setups have more mechanical grip. Adjust the right height to get more weight towards the front to get a decent setup without paying money. Next adjust BB, TC and ABS to get a setup you can use in LFM top splits to get into top 5 to 10 territory. The aggressive setups tend to have major issues on corner exit. No rotation. My current COTA setup is based on the aggressive but with softer springs. I turned it into an oversteery safe setup. I did an average of 2:06,4 during my last COTA race. Happy with that.
I might be wrong, and this is good tips for TC, ABS and brake balans. But what about the rest. Stiffness suspension, ARB, dampers, perhaps possible to give tips on that area on how to tweak them?
Great video, Jarier! Would be awesome to do the same with the CDA and possibly other paid setups, to see if what people are paying for is actually worth it.
Now i know why the aliens are always about 1.5 second ahead of me. My setup usually is default aggressive -> tires pressure for temps -> fuel -> TC -> brakes -> brake ducts reduce -> race. BB is adjusted on the fly from the wheel as well as the TC. It's nice to finally see someone experiencing that same understeer i am experiencing constsntly :D
Hey Jardier, that is a great video so thanks for that. I try to make own Setups, but it is so hard. It is getting more difficult because at the time i can`t race on the point. My lap times are everytime diffrent in 1 to 1,7 secounds that makes it harder to say if my changes on the setup were better or not. Can`t you show only one esport setup for one car on one track? That would be soooo helpful.
My take is that default setups are for new people to the game and they will not be hitting anywhere remotely close to these lap times anyways. I'm almost certain that anyone truly into sim racing would be dabbling with pro setups within a month if not sooner. I've been using gosetups and they have proven to be fantastic so far. Great video I found it very interesting
Thats what the safe setup should be for, for newcomers that want to get into the rhythm without losing the car. The aggressive setup should be more oversteery IMO, and I dont mean esports level of oversteery, but just a bit more to play with. You can reduce the rear wing on every setup by 2-5 clicks and its still stable
And never forget, you can ALWAYS find good FREE setups here on youtube, you don't need to buy them. :) just search for the car's name, and you will find a better setup than the default in 10 minutes. :)
@@phase_1471 sorry, i don't own that dlc, so i don't have any chance to test the evo 2 setups. :) but for the previous audi and for the m4 i always found 1-1,5 second faster setups here. so sorry, maybe not always for every car+track combo. :) maybe i was just lucky all the time... :)
@@lowfastracing I know, was just annoyed that I've been looking for a decent setup for my new car but I'm still faster in the old honda setup I've had for months 😭
@@phase_1471 :( and you didn't found a good setup for another track, that works well at Brands Hatch with little tweaks? last time i found a great Watkins Glen setup for the M4, and that is better than the default setups for almost every tracks with 1-2 little clicks here and there... :) luckily some guys don't want our money, they just want to help us, who don't know what the heck is camber and damper and bumper... :)
@@lowfastracing that's how I found my honda setup, I use it on every track and just make minor changes. However it doesn't seem to be that way for the audi, at brands at least.
i love that the only setup i use is "a banana with wheels". So like can you help us change that? Or are these setups a secret for some reason in a videogame...
I think the setup has to suit your driving ability, so a tricky Esports setup will not be good for a novice or bronze level driver. So maybe a detuned Esports setup for your silver standard driver. I have put in so much time to develop my own setups, and been about a year doing them now. As of course every drives different so hard to find one setup to suit a team for instance. (Non esports level). I've made setups and then paid for setups to compare and I'm maybe one or two clicks different so tells me I'm on the right path for making the higher end setups. Still things I don't fully understand.
Super video but where do I find those nice setups? Would be a massive help for the community even if you end of the day need to change them for your style, thanks in advance 🤗
playing on gamepad the normal setups are awful for my car of choice and the free esport setups felt like honest trolling (maybe they are awesome with proper steering wheel but with the pad way too aggressive), I watched some guides and especially the one you provided on what to turn when the car turns a certain way has helped out tremendously. still feel like I can feel at least 30% more comfortable with setups but with practise I can probably get 2 seconds faster - so practise would give me 2 seconds and nailing a proper setup would give me 0.8s on top which would explain why I'm 3 seconds off the pace XD at least that's the copium I'm huffin here. For F1 2019 and 23 I just found good setups and copied them, but here I feel like I have to do a lot by myself through practise and trial and error because the game unlike f1 isn't made for the controller but optimized for a nice wheel, so it always includes a couple hours of tweaking for me, one track at a time, one car only, so yeah, that's the charm though!
It would be awesome, if possible, if you could show us how to fix the aggressive setup to get better turn in/reduce under steer. What would YOU do to the aggressive setup to make it a bit quicker?
That’s reassuring, I tried the Honda at Monza and couldn’t get it to turn. So it’s not just me. Although I’m nowhere near the league of this guys driving.
What is noticeable is that you can make more than decent lap with agressive setups but it requires a lot of effort. But i think esport setups would be too hard to drive for beginners. I was sure that the difference would be more than 6 tens. Yeah, the 3/3 tc setup on the Ferrari...i never understood it
What a great video. I always blame alien driver times for Very best setups. But then it’s also about throttle control and other bits… Start watching now. Yes, exactly a second per lap gain to be expected. And that makes me angry. I’m struggling, sweating, fighting my car, concentrating to a limit every corner when Very best setup will let you enjoy driving and achieve superb times laughing. Now I’m learning my own setups, just to reduce understeer and sliding out. I had an excellent example on Donnington track. My reasonably safe (from aggressive) setup for 2 hr drive was loosing a lot of time vs good setups, do calculations yourselves over whole race!…
The thing is, those esports setups require the driver to have quite a bit of skill to get the most out of it (as proven by Aris in the Watkins 24 he did). Someone like me would most likely not find any time from those setups and/or would have a hard time not crashing. Maybe you should repeat this test with both you and someone of average ability and a new driver, you know in the name of science... (I'd be down)
Be nice if Acc gave an in game engineering tutorial! Being that setting up your race car is half the battle in it .Surely thats what the team is there for but no you got to pay or always be off the pace .
It's a very old conversation. And the answer is yes, pro set-ups are better IF you can control them. And that's a very big if. Give someone like me (an old pleb casual racer) a pro set-up, I'll just spin every lap. Doesn't mean the set-up is wrong, it just means it doesn't fit me
What would be really interesting is if you used the esports setup but with default dampers, or dapers ajusted without motec to see how much of a differance that would make.
I’m very very new to this game, I literally know nothing about what tc/abs should be etc…and then I get the impression it’s different for different cars anyway 😭😆 any chance you can add the setup you used or is it top secret?
Very interesting. I have an idea for another video. How about testing setups you can buy? Maybe you can get even a deal to make an ad for the setup provider by testing them.
@@KlerikerNero I know, who do you think makes those setups? It's esports drivers (most of whom he knows) either solo if they are good at using motec, or combined with an *engineer* that reads the data for them. A lot of videos are on RUclips of those guys making setups, without showing you the exact changes so you have to pay them of course 😅
@@phase_1471 True. setups that you can buy are made by alians. But they don't sell their best setups to not lose a possible advantage to their opponents and not every setup made for an alian is drivable for normal guys like me (or so they say). What I am trying to say is that we cant buy the setup Jardier was using and I would like to see how big the difference is from a bought setup to an aggressive setup.
One and a half second it's a massive disadvantage, even half a second would be too much and it's not just about the time you lose but also the driving difficulty that might lead you to make more mistakes, there is zero point in playing this game online unless you're using an esport setup. I hope the developers realize having separate races with locked setups wouldn't hurt anyone, I might even buy some DLCs if they add online races with default setups. I want to support the game but I don't have endless amount of time at my disposal to make my own setups, spending $40 on DLCs would make me feel much better compared to spending the same amount of money buying esport setups for the best car, and I can only do one or the other.
I can say even in iRacing the top setups are maybe 5 tenths faster ... maybe. Most of the time seems to be in can you get the car to respond to how you drive.
The main problem is this itself where no matter how realistic the physics are & how great a Sim it is that we all love, unfortunately everyone isn’t on a equal playing field similar to real life. Proof is in the pudding with your lap times so it seems we all need a “esports” setup to be on pace
Pro/Esports level setups generally need to be purchased or shared with you from a experienced teammate. The majority of RUclips videos out there nowadays that are actually decent setups are samples of what you can get if you purchase the rest. There are a few channels out there that have usable setups. I use GO Setups, HYMO, & still have my CDA subscription. I like to test & compare setups against one another. I still make my own adjustments for qualifying & races, but having a solid base to start with is key. Setup changes can drastically affect how the car reacts & feels. So it's no surprise that Esports level setups using Motec or some other software are that much faster than the presets. They are really just basic setups to get your foot in the door. If your serious about being competitive then you'll either need to pay someone for the time they put into the setups they sell or you need to find someone experienced that's willing to build you your own. Unless you get really good with software like Motec, you'll most likely never be able to get the most out of creating your own. I don't mind investing in complete track packs for certain cars. In split 1 of almost any league, it will be the difference between running competitive or struggling in the back.
Please choose equal brake pads if you repeat this test. I know that brake pads don't account for the massive difference in lap time, but it is a factor. Basically I care about the difference in setups with everything qual which can be changed on the fly (brake bias, TC) or without much knowledge or effort (tire pressure, brake pads).
I feel like how it goes is the more technical the track the bigger the difference So for Bathurst you would definitely need a good setup but for Monza you could get away with it to a high degree
So the biggest difference in laptime is still the driver itself. The driver has to make the setup work. Even if you have a perfect esports setup, the driver has to be able to get the best laptime out of it. But I think the car setup can make a bigger difference than the racing hardware actually. A good driver can be very fast with an entry level wheel and pedals etc and a good setup. Mabix did a test video on that topic actually...
I bought a setup nefore but it didn’t suit very well my driving style, watched a guy on youtube doing a hotlap+setup so I copied… right away gained 1.8 seconds… so I think there’s also the driver style in this equation, not all setups will work for everyone.
I had always wondered how slow I was and how much the setup mattered, since I always used the default "aggressive" setup. For sure, steering and pedals also make a difference (I still use a stock Logitech G27), with a 24" monitor at 60Hz... So, with the same gaming peripherals, if I could get even 1" per lap pace because of the setup, I could steadily rank in the top 20 of the first split. Now "all I have to do" is learn how to set up the car.... :D
Oddly I can't get close to my Brands Hatch times of low 1.23's that I got with my G27 and default pedals after spending a small fortune on direct drive 6 months ago.
@@weswesley8067 I think that, before DD, it is more important to buy new pedals. In particular load cell brake...I tried it some weeks ago and now i understand what it means to brake properly. Back to my G27 stock pedals, i am slower...
Meant to say I bought a set of Simforge pedals at the same time. Has improved consistency though but not a massive improvement in actual times. I'd say I was above average times to begin with though so maybe any difference is less pronounced.
The most surprising thing about this video is that you went in expecting only a 0.6s difference. This is how much the aliens are disconnected from the normal people? 🤣 We've been trying for years and not understanding why you guy are 2 seconds faster than the rest of us. Great video. I wish you didn't touch the tyre pressures on the default aggressive. That's an extra second
Well now I know why I dislike driving ACC so much. Everything I even look at the throttle the car just goes straight and i've always been using the default setups.
I think no matter what, your driving will be compromised because you know what setup you're using. You would have to collect other racers and blind test the stock and esport setups.... somehow. Only by collecting multiple laps of data on multiple tracks with multiple cars and multiple racers on different setups could you get the real answers. Also, driving style plays a big factor, too. Green light, go go go!
ya i agree you either need to pay or take the time an learn an even paying you prob wont get the best out of the setup if you dont know how the car works.
I always find good free setups here on youtube... :) if you find only one good setup for your car, that will be better for every track, than the default setup. :)
I wish I could figure out dialing in setups, Im like 6-8 seconds off the pace people are posting on youtube.. I literally just starting sim racing tho, if you can even call 6-8 seconds off the pace racing
I wonder how difficult it would be to implement a comprehensive guide on how to set up your vehicle. Also bonus points to anyone who knows who the feet belonged to in the short clip.
The question I have is are the eSports set ups based on Exploits or actual fine tuning? I've spent my entire sim racing experience playing ACC. Starting on console and moving to PC. I've never liked the idea of using Exploits regardless of what type of game it is.. From sim racing to other sports games.. For me it doesn't prove who is the best. It proves who's learned how to exploit the game the best. This week, and I understand this video is old, LFM is using the Hungaroring for it's 25 min rookie sprint.... I'm using the McLaren Evo. I found a hot lap video with set up posted on RUclips! The set up was ridiculous. Max caster, max min toe, max damping (bottom 3 sliders) , max front RB, minimum springs and 500/400 wheel rates and the bump stop in the rear down 4 clicks and from up like 12 clicks. Max downforce! My set up is basically a fined tuned aggressive set up. My caster is stock, my toe is -1.2, 1.2 rear. My camber is the stock 4 and 3.5. My mechanical grip settings are basically stock but with 1 or 2 clicks down on the spring rates both front and back. Then I take 3 or 4 off the rear bump and as a couple to the front. Damping is basically -3-4 off the stock set ups all the way around. 26, 27, 16, 27 11, 17, 20, 28 My downforce is 10 rear and 0 front and my ride height is 70-52! I do use 4tc 4abs and 2 tc2. My lap times were 1:43.5 and the hot lap time was 1:41.9. Around 1.6 seconds slower which is pretty normal for on most tracks with the exceptions of Paul Richard where I'm about 2.5 seconds slower and Spa where I'm in the 2:17 range. I've attempted to try the eSports/Hot lap set ups but they just feel so weird and unrealistic after spending 3 years using base aggressive set ups with a few tweaks to make the car more stable.. Id like to see a league or championship that requires the settings to be with in a specific window eliminating the exploit set ups! This would imo bring out the best drivers in Sim racing and eliminate the ones who rely on the exploits.. While I believe people like Baldwin, Whitehead and the other top elite drivers would still be at the top, at the same time I feel some of the others would fall off. It would also make for better racing. It would bring the top 50% of the field closer and who knows. Some of the bigger names might fall off and new names come into the spotlight!! You saying your 3 tenths from the fastest guys seems crazy to me. Are you really 3 tenths slower or is the set up 3 tenths slower? The only way to find out is have races where the exploits are eliminated. Which was the goal of 1.9 and it failed miserably
Watkins Glen: +1.733% difference between default (w/ adjusted electronics) and eSport set-ups. That's a 31.2 second difference in a 30 minute race, or a 25 minute difference in a 24 hour race (assuming constant tyre wear) Kyalami: +0.90% difference. That's 16.2 seconds in a 30 minute race, or 13 minutes in a 24 hour race. Hmmm, time to start playing around with my set-ups....
I'm new, and from what I've seen so far, people have complained that since 1.9, the TC settings are out of wack. I guess I don't understand why TC2 would be on 0, when Aris says that TC2 determines how much power will be cut; so if you set it to 0, you are cutting no power, therefore making TC1 irrelevant?
I think dev will say different things but if you follow esport drivers/videos or even what we see during races (as you can see TC settings) most of people are using TC2 at 0. TC1 makes all the difference if you wanna go fastest :)
What is your opinion on ACC (even other game) setups? Did you ever try proper good setup done by some esport driver or you make setups yourself?
Do you think you could improve by driving better setup?
Yeah since I came to my peak new setups could give me some time but I drive RUclips seutps I don't want spend money on it, I'm like 1,5 - 2s off eSports pace
HoLiFuk! The changes in the game made me give up on setups, 'cause i can't make them myself, so i was buying them, or getting them from you. At one point i just gave up and said, that custom setups are wasted on me and went back to default setups. I thought that if i can be about 3.5s off the pace, i'm satisfied. But seeing how much of a difference it is... I mean... OMG! No no, OMFG!
Does anybody have a setup for Aston pls? :D
Anyway, there's still the question of me actually knowing how to benefit from custom setups... I'm a potato already so i have my doubts...
Im like 4-5 seconds off esports pace but I'm playing ocassionally and default setups, so I think that when I will drive more and have setup that could give me 2-3 seconds
I honestly think that the aggressive setups in ACC are solid as I used to get pace during league races with them. But if you really want the ultimate time you’re capable of I’d say you’d need to adjust them a bit.
@@ronnietherapper2477 Yeah, agree. A lot is learning the car and how setup changes impact the feel of the car. I usually only adjust Brakebias, ABS, Rideheight and Aero to match my driving style.
The game has changed so much since realease that default setups haven't been tweaked along with the physic updates, hence being off the pace when being compared to pro setups. Would be nice to have a default setup update for a few cars 😅.
Bro I started playing this game last week I was using default setup and practicing in spa I only could manage 2;19 lap times and I was trying so hard to get the 2;17 but it was not possible 😂 I found a set up online and straight away I got 2;18 then eventually 2;17s
The Honda especially changed a LOT in the updates about half or one year ago (damn we're almost through 2022..)
The defaults were updated for the American DLC... so you can just transfer some of the setup principles from the American tracks to the other tracks. It won't be perfect this way, but it's in the ballpark of the updated physics.
@@everythinggaming7938 i play with 991 gt3 porsche at spa and my best is 2:22
@@alexalexandru6192 2.23 here .
I have spent many many hours trying to improve aggressive preset setups. When I tried buying pro setups, I was sometimes only marginally quicker, but not as consistent. The difference is the driver - you need to be able to drive well enough to exploit a pro setup before you can go quicker with it.
are you sure that the setups you bought are the same ones used by the freaks?? The truth here you never know...there has never been a freak who did a live show with a setup shown to everyone...1 setup for one track only...never...better to keep everything hidden...
Here's my thing - you spent many, many hours. While the paid setup's not that much faster, how much are those many many hours worth? Personally, I'm considering paid setups for this reason.
Absolutely true
Ive seen a "pro setup", but it looks more like they take advantages of different things in the physics engine, than based on real driving. So a caster maxed out for example, stiffest springs, stiffest rollbars, driving the car on the bumpstops. This car would not be fast in real life. Same thing in older sims ive driven, (where the fastest guys also drove with joysticks to be able to drive the car in a way you would never do in real life). So the better the physics engine gets, the worse these setups will be luckily.
@@AndrewTSqFunny how to you that and it did happen. Over the 1 of patches for console I've noticed braking being way different and more like real life and curbs punishing people that want to cut. Fully engaging ABS and trailing off works but I found for races longer than 15 min it can real f@#k up your tires (tyres). I threshold brake most of the time now unless there is a crash or brakes are cold. From what I here most console players use aggressive setups anyways whether or not they tune them some more I'm not quite sure. I just use aggressive and leave it alone. I love battling the understeer and oversteer because it can make you a faster DRIVER not just the car.
On throttle rotation and the ability to get the front tires to bite on entry are the two biggest differences I've seen between the top setups and the Aggressive default.
Informative video. I had no doubt that esport setup would must faster than default agg setup. Then again, if Kunos actually updated their default setups it may be a little closer.
Great video, please do more of this kind (comparison between pro and default aggressive setups). As I mostly use the default aggressive, the video is also a great way to see where I stand:)
Thank you thank you! I’ve been watching your videos for a while (sorry thought I subscribed a while ago..) the set up info you provided helped a ton. I’ve always driven the Ferrari and adapted my driving to its style because I know NOTHING about set up. I always thought, as you said it was very under steery. After watching this and following your notes, wow what a difference! I only did a few laps at Brands Hatch, but noticed a big difference instantly. Can’t wait to try other tracks now! Thanks again, keep up the great videos.
Scott
Personally, I don't like the big advantage the setups give you. Just one thing more ppl will charge you for, because not everyone has the time and resources to develop a perfect setup for every car and track. It is something that should be built into the game already. They should at least release a good default aggressive setup that is in line with 1.8.
Love it! Great video and very needed! I see a lot of people still telling others who are looking for help that they shouldn't be using setups and should only use default aggressive until they are within a couple tenths of the faster drivers. I would say watching this, with you being fast enough to show an actual comparison, is a great way to show that setups are a huge part of this game, and even if not esports level, people should be encouraged to learn how to use them for their own benefit.
Also... do Mclaren at spa next! The bump stop change in 1.8 really hit the default setup there hard. 😉
Yes this assertion just keep frustration on average simracers making them thinking that they sucks at driving
Aris, we are looking at you...
@@DJeb86 totally agreeing with this. I just wish I understood the setups more, I keep trying but unless you're 100% consistent you can't tell if your driving has improved or if it's the setup... I end up adapting to any tweaks which likely is causing bad habits.
@@atticushexcel9567 Nils said:
When the game came out, cars had pretty decent and fast setups. Then ACC went through massive physics updates, cars started to behave differently, but setups were never updated. Now the setups are crap, slow, unstable, understeery + oversteery at the same time,...
Thanks for the video Jardier, Enjoyed watching !
Great video, I would love to see more cars tested as it can be seen that each setup was bad in different way! EDIT: My bet is on Bentley not having great aggressive setup, as it doesn't feel the same way to me, as you described in your top 5 rookie cars video.
There I can see that setup can make or break the feel of the car. I remember when I bought ACC and obviously started on safe setups, which are made understeery on purpose. After transitioning from AC, I was surprised how much I didn't like the game, but after a while I realized it was precisely because of those setups, even just transitioning from safe to aggressive setups made the game so much more enjoyable to me as cars suddenly became much more fun to drive.
Now I am intrigued how much more would I enjoy the game with a proper setup! As I didn't like the Honda precisely because of reasons mentioned in the video.
I really think that Kunos should pay more attention to how setups are made, as it can make or break the feel of the game for new players, who based on their initial impressions could just stop playing or stay and potentially race online or buy some DLCs.
Love the little Senna clip with him driving the old NSX :)
Your personality makes the day better. Love you jards, and you're looking great! Keep up the hard work
Well done, Jardier. This one will come up in a few conversations I'm sure. :)
The highest rated driver in iRacing said that what he didn't like about ACC is that "2 clicks on a damper and it's a different car". And unlike your average sim racer, real life drivers have engineers doing this stuff for them. Factor in all the 'electrickery' between the driver and tyres, the (arguably) exaggerated pressure and temp effects, and you can see how ACC can be a frustrating sim for many.
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience.
My first comment would be that I am totally unable to drive the car around the track like you, especially at kyalami.
The use you are making of the all track available is just insane, and explains already why you are fast.
Regarding the setup, I agree 100% that a appropriate setup for the driver makes the driving experience a lot more enjoyable, and for sure improves a lot the global pace.
But these "esports" setup applies to only 1% of the already most gifted pilots.
For average pilots like me, it is just impossible to manage , a little like Grand prix legends in 30/85 differential a long time ago
These setups make an optimized use of the game physics , and are not for everyone (especially for those not having hundreds and hundreds of hours of training and races).
Of course I can not qualify good an LFM with about the agressive setup , and I have to start at the back, but it remains that at the end I stayed on the track and can to finish around the 12th position. Some very quick guys are out after two laps. What's the point ?
Important is to have fun, make some observation and with the time try to become a better driver.
The place at the end doesn't really care, because even if some people told you it is a simulation, the true story is that it is just a GAME with nothing to win (except for a very few people).
Another important thing is not to pay to much attention at what are the laptimes of the other pilot, especially at LFM for example.
Or it may be very frustrating
Qualifiying at imola in 1:40 is not an normal laptime for a rookie, even on split 1.
There is about 65000 users, and there always be pilots quicker than us average pilots.
I am already very satisfied when i can brake my personal laptime, stay in the same lap as the winner, and so on. ....Important is the fun we can retire from a hobby. Or it would be better to switch to something else !
Hey Jardier and friends. I don't know if people understand how frustrating it can be to just get into sim racing and serious enough to get a full rig... work hard to learn and become better, and not have any proper references or friends to help and learn to develop setups like this. I'd probably say that it's way harder than actually learning to drive. I know you can't share your competition setup, but can you tell us how different it is (1 to 10 or something) than the default aggressive in some aspects like aero and suspension, etc? When learning about setups, you always hear to test small changes and one at a time so I get worried about pushing things to the extreme. Hard to understand when its a setup change or when its my driving that is improving/declining.
Being able to set consistent lap-times certainly helps when experimenting with setup changes, so if you're a beginner maybe work on that first.
so few whom actually share the knowledge for building a good set up (e sports). Its part of the reason why so many give up. In a way it's limiting the sport from growing at its full potential. Seems more like showing off, than the passing of knowlege and encouragement needed to ensure a growing culture and community.
@@bigredracingteam9642, appreciate the feedback. I consistently get to within 1-1.5 sec of Jardiers lap times on any given track frankly because I spend so much time analyzing my driving so I think I'm at least at being consistent in my driving. LOL, I actually use him as my baseline for a goal so I can compete soon at high level plus he is hugely entertaining and nice. The question I have is, "Am I 1-1.5 sec slower because I can't have a supremely solid oversteer setup like Yas Heat can put out or am I just still learning to drive? Building those setups myself to answer that question seems to be near impossible without confirmation of experienced players.
@@everythingNotHere it’s the same in all sports. Athletes and teams keep secrets to have an advantage. The CDA team are at least showing how they build the setups in live streams sometimes. No values shown but you can hear how they think and approach a problem. I’m a ”default agg” guy and I’m struggling too.
ty for the vid love them as always!!!!
Awesome video, love this content
For me, getting proper e-sport setups für each track for "mine" car, was truely a game changer! I get the same heavy understear feel of driving, when I use the default aggressive setup and I am seconds slower per lap. I've bought the setup pack from Go-Setups. Their setups give me also this mild overstear I love and need to do good laptimes, but also stay competive and stable in races. I love it. Without getting such good setups I would have stopped driving ACC I must say :)
This video is a great demonstration of the gap between a good and an average setup. Drivers in the real world have a team of engineers and strategists behind them that can help them to achieve the best setup for their driving style and the best strategy for a race. Your general run of the mill Sim Racers have to "know it all" and do it on the fly. When you want to make it big in the E-Sports world, you need a good team (or close community) of Sim Racers that are willing to work together to make the whole team performing at a higher level.
It's been a while since Kunos updated the default setups. They used to be decent but not anymore after the 1.8 physics update.
did the same video like 2 months ago, believe i did an 18.9 at spa with default aggressive and 17.1 with my setup for audi. its crazy the difference
I have never experienced a pro set up so its always been aggressive and tinker until I find more speed. I rarely use the Ferrari or Honda as I feel like the aggressive set just gives me constant front rear changing balance. The video is interesting due to showing what is capable from a better set up. But, I do think that set up is partially an individual thing and what may work well for one person may not work for another. I can see why people charge for proven generic set ups though, its a painful process that can take a long time! I'd quite like to see a similar test at Spa. Great video as usual. 👍👍👍
I was very happy with the analysis, because I am approximately 2 seconds away from the pros, before playing ACC I played Richard Burns Rally with European Aliens, it took 4 seconds on average (which for Rally is not bad). Played RBR in czech plugin between 2006 and 2010;
Awesome, keep up the amazing content. 👍😊
Very interesting video. I was a little shocked by the delta at Watkins. Very interesting indeed.
I've always said default aggressive is not competitive. The only people who say they are just want an advantage over you on their custom setup. Why there isn't just BoP only races is beyond me, even if they made an "extreme", bop that didn't have all that understeer.
Where do you recommend we get setups from, that are free?
@@MOzEDiTz there's a load on RUclips but there's also a load missing. Trust me I feel your pain, I use the same scuffed honda setup for every track and it's only half a setup from jardiers stream 😅
RUclipsrs who show their super lap time affirming that was on default setup, are they lying ?
@@DJeb86 no they're not lying, but they could go faster. Some car/track combos are also way better on default
@@ZzInZaNezZ like monza i presume…default agressive setup seems to be good enough
Great Video. Makes me really curious how much faster i would actually be with a proper setup. Only ever driven with the aggressive defaults for the Lambo
Poor Aris. He tries to convince us that the problem is between the chair and the steering wheel and here comes Jardier and shows that a proper setup is actually worth quite a lot.
I'd still argue that in most cases it's a driver problem, not a setup problem. But the default setups deserve an overhaul for sure. They all seem to suffer from on throttle understeer, some break out under throttle release or braking (yes I'm talking about hte Porker).
It's not ideal for new drivers because it can reinforce bad habits. More neutral and predictable setups would be great.
@@tobias2252 i agree with you, a lot off ther time is the driver, setup does not make you beter, thats wy the setups y shere with hevery body are made to do the car beter to drive, not the fastest, wich brings consistenci, and that takes you to the end off a race in a beter position, have a nice day
Since every other online game ive played (especially made in unreal engine) have had cheaters even in the top tier of players, I wonder how it looks in ACC, since this game seem to lack any anticheat software. Fortnite which is unreal engine who has anticheat engines running has a big problem with cheating.
I'd suggest to also try the safe setup if you struggle. The safe setups have more mechanical grip. Adjust the right height to get more weight towards the front to get a decent setup without paying money. Next adjust BB, TC and ABS to get a setup you can use in LFM top splits to get into top 5 to 10 territory. The aggressive setups tend to have major issues on corner exit. No rotation.
My current COTA setup is based on the aggressive but with softer springs. I turned it into an oversteery safe setup. I did an average of 2:06,4 during my last COTA race. Happy with that.
I might be wrong, and this is good tips for TC, ABS and brake balans. But what about the rest. Stiffness suspension, ARB, dampers, perhaps possible to give tips on that area on how to tweak them?
Do more videos like this! It’s really interesting and helps normal sim driver to understand like me that is not only our fault if we are slow lol
Glad my ferrrari experience was the same as what you were saying.. need to get the fiat esports ready
Great video, Jarier! Would be awesome to do the same with the CDA and possibly other paid setups, to see if what people are paying for is actually worth it.
those setups look like cda setups. and i can attestg that cda setups are 100% worth it, perfect setups and adjustable to suit driving style
Ah yes jarier
@@avgvstvs96 CDA is just Aggressive + setups still massive differences to esports setups
@@doubtable6153 read this in Samir's voice lol
Cool Honda NSX reference at 7:45 😉
Your should do a follow up video on how you alter your driving style to use the esports setup vs default aggressive
Now i know why the aliens are always about 1.5 second ahead of me. My setup usually is default aggressive -> tires pressure for temps -> fuel -> TC -> brakes -> brake ducts reduce -> race. BB is adjusted on the fly from the wheel as well as the TC. It's nice to finally see someone experiencing that same understeer i am experiencing constsntly :D
Hey Jardier, that is a great video so thanks for that. I try to make own Setups, but it is so hard. It is getting more difficult because at the time i can`t race on the point. My lap times are everytime diffrent in 1 to 1,7 secounds that makes it harder to say if my changes on the setup were better or not. Can`t you show only one esport setup for one car on one track? That would be soooo helpful.
i work on my own set up. its the only way to learn
this is good though. gives us a view point on how well we do setting up our cars
I get it with the TC settings, but how do you know which ABS settings is best for a car+track combo?
Senna reference!!! The man, the legend! Dude had his own TC at his feet. hahaha!
Well, looks like im going to have to learn how to do setups now
excellent video, I thought default was quite good, and just drove around the issues, clearly they are nit a s good as I thought they were
My take is that default setups are for new people to the game and they will not be hitting anywhere remotely close to these lap times anyways. I'm almost certain that anyone truly into sim racing would be dabbling with pro setups within a month if not sooner. I've been using gosetups and they have proven to be fantastic so far. Great video I found it very interesting
Thats what the safe setup should be for, for newcomers that want to get into the rhythm without losing the car. The aggressive setup should be more oversteery IMO, and I dont mean esports level of oversteery, but just a bit more to play with. You can reduce the rear wing on every setup by 2-5 clicks and its still stable
Hey Jardier, can you please show your Fanatec Podium and Ingame Wheel Settings (FFB, Damper etc) thank you
And never forget, you can ALWAYS find good FREE setups here on youtube, you don't need to buy them. :) just search for the car's name, and you will find a better setup than the default in 10 minutes. :)
Find me an audi evo 2 on brands with a setup for ps5 please 😀
@@phase_1471 sorry, i don't own that dlc, so i don't have any chance to test the evo 2 setups. :) but for the previous audi and for the m4 i always found 1-1,5 second faster setups here. so sorry, maybe not always for every car+track combo. :) maybe i was just lucky all the time... :)
@@lowfastracing I know, was just annoyed that I've been looking for a decent setup for my new car but I'm still faster in the old honda setup I've had for months 😭
@@phase_1471 :( and you didn't found a good setup for another track, that works well at Brands Hatch with little tweaks? last time i found a great Watkins Glen setup for the M4, and that is better than the default setups for almost every tracks with 1-2 little clicks here and there... :) luckily some guys don't want our money, they just want to help us, who don't know what the heck is camber and damper and bumper... :)
@@lowfastracing that's how I found my honda setup, I use it on every track and just make minor changes. However it doesn't seem to be that way for the audi, at brands at least.
i love that the only setup i use is "a banana with wheels". So like can you help us change that? Or are these setups a secret for some reason in a videogame...
I think the setup has to suit your driving ability, so a tricky Esports setup will not be good for a novice or bronze level driver. So maybe a detuned Esports setup for your silver standard driver.
I have put in so much time to develop my own setups, and been about a year doing them now. As of course every drives different so hard to find one setup to suit a team for instance. (Non esports level). I've made setups and then paid for setups to compare and I'm maybe one or two clicks different so tells me I'm on the right path for making the higher end setups. Still things I don't fully understand.
Super video but where do I find those nice setups? Would be a massive help for the community even if you end of the day need to change them for your style, thanks in advance 🤗
Is there any way we could get our hands on these setups somewhere?
playing on gamepad the normal setups are awful for my car of choice and the free esport setups felt like honest trolling (maybe they are awesome with proper steering wheel but with the pad way too aggressive), I watched some guides and especially the one you provided on what to turn when the car turns a certain way has helped out tremendously. still feel like I can feel at least 30% more comfortable with setups but with practise I can probably get 2 seconds faster - so practise would give me 2 seconds and nailing a proper setup would give me 0.8s on top which would explain why I'm 3 seconds off the pace XD at least that's the copium I'm huffin here.
For F1 2019 and 23 I just found good setups and copied them, but here I feel like I have to do a lot by myself through practise and trial and error because the game unlike f1 isn't made for the controller but optimized for a nice wheel, so it always includes a couple hours of tweaking for me, one track at a time, one car only, so yeah, that's the charm though!
So if i have a setup for 20 degrees and its 32 degrees i have to reduce from all tyres 12 clicks?
It would be awesome, if possible, if you could show us how to fix the aggressive setup to get better turn in/reduce under steer. What would YOU do to the aggressive setup to make it a bit quicker?
That’s reassuring, I tried the Honda at Monza and couldn’t get it to turn. So it’s not just me. Although I’m nowhere near the league of this guys driving.
Good video, notice you didnt show the full Esports setup 😉
It would be great to see how you do with different paid setups. You don’t have to say who they are.
What is noticeable is that you can make more than decent lap with agressive setups but it requires a lot of effort. But i think esport setups would be too hard to drive for beginners. I was sure that the difference would be more than 6 tens. Yeah, the 3/3 tc setup on the Ferrari...i never understood it
What a great video. I always blame alien driver times for Very best setups. But then it’s also about throttle control and other bits… Start watching now. Yes, exactly a second per lap gain to be expected. And that makes me angry. I’m struggling, sweating, fighting my car, concentrating to a limit every corner when Very best setup will let you enjoy driving and achieve superb times laughing. Now I’m learning my own setups, just to reduce understeer and sliding out. I had an excellent example on Donnington track. My reasonably safe (from aggressive) setup for 2 hr drive was loosing a lot of time vs good setups, do calculations yourselves over whole race!…
What roost setups do you use jardier? GO setups?
7:48 Are that Senna's feet driving the old NSX on Suzuka?
The thing is, those esports setups require the driver to have quite a bit of skill to get the most out of it (as proven by Aris in the Watkins 24 he did). Someone like me would most likely not find any time from those setups and/or would have a hard time not crashing.
Maybe you should repeat this test with both you and someone of average ability and a new driver, you know in the name of science...
(I'd be down)
Now, this is a great video. Now, I know why I'm slower than the aliens. It's coz I'm slow, I'm already using their setups xD
For me it is that Senna´s foot cam that got me :D:D:D
Be nice if Acc gave an in game engineering tutorial! Being that setting up your race car is half the battle in it .Surely thats what the team is there for but no you got to pay or always be off the pace .
Epic first shot
It's a very old conversation.
And the answer is yes, pro set-ups are better IF you can control them.
And that's a very big if.
Give someone like me (an old pleb casual racer) a pro set-up, I'll just spin every lap.
Doesn't mean the set-up is wrong, it just means it doesn't fit me
I'm curious where the difference is. Is it aero or ARB or diff?
What would be really interesting is if you used the esports setup but with default dampers, or dapers ajusted without motec to see how much of a differance that would make.
I personally dont think dampers "are that important" cause I was driving for like 2 years without even touching dampers :D
Do you post any of your own setups and if so where can I find them
I’m very very new to this game, I literally know nothing about what tc/abs should be etc…and then I get the impression it’s different for different cars anyway 😭😆 any chance you can add the setup you used or is it top secret?
Very interesting. I have an idea for another video. How about testing setups you can buy? Maybe you can get even a deal to make an ad for the setup provider by testing them.
The esports drivers that make those setups are his friends. He's not going to compare them lol
@@phase_1471 i meant setups from CDA or popometer
@@KlerikerNero I know, who do you think makes those setups? It's esports drivers (most of whom he knows) either solo if they are good at using motec, or combined with an *engineer* that reads the data for them. A lot of videos are on RUclips of those guys making setups, without showing you the exact changes so you have to pay them of course 😅
@@phase_1471 True. setups that you can buy are made by alians. But they don't sell their best setups to not lose a possible advantage to their opponents and not every setup made for an alian is drivable for normal guys like me (or so they say). What I am trying to say is that we cant buy the setup Jardier was using and I would like to see how big the difference is from a bought setup to an aggressive setup.
@@KlerikerNero jardiers friend sirfoch shares all his setups for ferrari if you watch his twitch stream I believe. Give that a go 👍
"Another Beautiful Understeer Party" i'm stealing this lmao
What are your graphic settings?
One and a half second it's a massive disadvantage, even half a second would be too much and it's not just about the time you lose but also the driving difficulty that might lead you to make more mistakes, there is zero point in playing this game online unless you're using an esport setup.
I hope the developers realize having separate races with locked setups wouldn't hurt anyone, I might even buy some DLCs if they add online races with default setups.
I want to support the game but I don't have endless amount of time at my disposal to make my own setups, spending $40 on DLCs would make me feel much better compared to spending the same amount of money buying esport setups for the best car, and I can only do one or the other.
7:50 Ayrton Senna NSX at Suzuka shoe
Ahhh... I should have read through the comments first before making a similar comment myself ;-)
I can say even in iRacing the top setups are maybe 5 tenths faster ... maybe. Most of the time seems to be in can you get the car to respond to how you drive.
This is why I'm paying iracing service to have fixed setup races.
The main problem is this itself where no matter how realistic the physics are & how great a Sim it is that we all love, unfortunately everyone isn’t on a equal playing field similar to real life. Proof is in the pudding with your lap times so it seems we all need a “esports” setup to be on pace
Would be interesting to see how bought setups like Coach Dave would compare.
His setups are crap. They don’t work
it really shows the games physics flaws when "esports setups" are so much faster than a realistic setup
Pro/Esports level setups generally need to be purchased or shared with you from a experienced teammate. The majority of RUclips videos out there nowadays that are actually decent setups are samples of what you can get if you purchase the rest. There are a few channels out there that have usable setups. I use GO Setups, HYMO, & still have my CDA subscription. I like to test & compare setups against one another. I still make my own adjustments for qualifying & races, but having a solid base to start with is key. Setup changes can drastically affect how the car reacts & feels. So it's no surprise that Esports level setups using Motec or some other software are that much faster than the presets. They are really just basic setups to get your foot in the door. If your serious about being competitive then you'll either need to pay someone for the time they put into the setups they sell or you need to find someone experienced that's willing to build you your own. Unless you get really good with software like Motec, you'll most likely never be able to get the most out of creating your own. I don't mind investing in complete track packs for certain cars. In split 1 of almost any league, it will be the difference between running competitive or struggling in the back.
“Hello fellow sim racers to this video!” 🤔😅
The rest of the video is as interesting as the start - in a good way!! 😃
Please choose equal brake pads if you repeat this test. I know that brake pads don't account for the massive difference in lap time, but it is a factor.
Basically I care about the difference in setups with everything qual which can be changed on the fly (brake bias, TC) or without much knowledge or effort (tire pressure, brake pads).
I bought some Coach Dave setups. They make me faster, but I'm still not fast enough to qualify for LFM. It's frustrating.
thats pain bro, that should be no big deal even without touching anything other then tire pressures tbh
Check my channel for track guides just with the agressive setup. You will get there, keep training!
I feel like how it goes is the more technical the track the bigger the difference
So for Bathurst you would definitely need a good setup but for Monza you could get away with it to a high degree
Monday is Monza? :)
@@lowfastracing yes grrrrr 😂😂😂
@@athannotoudas1032 :)
So the biggest difference in laptime is still the driver itself. The driver has to make the setup work. Even if you have a perfect esports setup, the driver has to be able to get the best laptime out of it. But I think the car setup can make a bigger difference than the racing hardware actually. A good driver can be very fast with an entry level wheel and pedals etc and a good setup. Mabix did a test video on that topic actually...
I bought a setup nefore but it didn’t suit very well my driving style, watched a guy on youtube doing a hotlap+setup so I copied… right away gained 1.8 seconds… so I think there’s also the driver style in this equation, not all setups will work for everyone.
I had always wondered how slow I was and how much the setup mattered, since I always used the default "aggressive" setup.
For sure, steering and pedals also make a difference (I still use a stock Logitech G27), with a 24" monitor at 60Hz...
So, with the same gaming peripherals, if I could get even 1" per lap pace because of the setup, I could steadily rank in the top 20 of the first split.
Now "all I have to do" is learn how to set up the car.... :D
Oddly I can't get close to my Brands Hatch times of low 1.23's that I got with my G27 and default pedals after spending a small fortune on direct drive 6 months ago.
@@weswesley8067 I think that, before DD, it is more important to buy new pedals. In particular load cell brake...I tried it some weeks ago and now i understand what it means to brake properly.
Back to my G27 stock pedals, i am slower...
Meant to say I bought a set of Simforge pedals at the same time. Has improved consistency though but not a massive improvement in actual times. I'd say I was above average times to begin with though so maybe any difference is less pronounced.
“41,8 is a very bad lap”
Me with my PB being 42,8:
Couldn’t be bothered watching the whole video bid but where do you find these "pro" setups
The most surprising thing about this video is that you went in expecting only a 0.6s difference. This is how much the aliens are disconnected from the normal people? 🤣 We've been trying for years and not understanding why you guy are 2 seconds faster than the rest of us. Great video. I wish you didn't touch the tyre pressures on the default aggressive. That's an extra second
Well now I know why I dislike driving ACC so much. Everything I even look at the throttle the car just goes straight and i've always been using the default setups.
I think no matter what, your driving will be compromised because you know what setup you're using. You would have to collect other racers and blind test the stock and esport setups.... somehow.
Only by collecting multiple laps of data on multiple tracks with multiple cars and multiple racers on different setups could you get the real answers. Also, driving style plays a big factor, too. Green light, go go go!
Yeah was already thinking about using random people for this :)
The problem for me is that i havent been able to find setups for this game without having to pay people for them, and im not doing that
Oh, so you dont wanna pay someone for the work he put into a digital asset. Well, thats not how it works in other aspects of life, right?
ya i agree you either need to pay or take the time an learn an even paying you prob wont get the best out of the setup if you dont know how the car works.
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I always find good free setups here on youtube... :) if you find only one good setup for your car, that will be better for every track, than the default setup. :)
Search in RUclips Fri3dolf. He have realy good Setups. Realy realy good. With Hes Setup i was over 1 second faster in a few Tracks
I wish I could figure out dialing in setups, Im like 6-8 seconds off the pace people are posting on youtube.. I literally just starting sim racing tho, if you can even call 6-8 seconds off the pace racing
I wonder how difficult it would be to implement a comprehensive guide on how to set up your vehicle. Also bonus points to anyone who knows who the feet belonged to in the short clip.
Aris has a lot of long videos with detailed explanations on everything vehicle dynamics in ACC.
The question I have is are the eSports set ups based on Exploits or actual fine tuning?
I've spent my entire sim racing experience playing ACC. Starting on console and moving to PC.
I've never liked the idea of using Exploits regardless of what type of game it is.. From sim racing to other sports games.. For me it doesn't prove who is the best. It proves who's learned how to exploit the game the best.
This week, and I understand this video is old, LFM is using the Hungaroring for it's 25 min rookie sprint.... I'm using the McLaren Evo.
I found a hot lap video with set up posted on RUclips! The set up was ridiculous. Max caster, max min toe, max damping (bottom 3 sliders) , max front RB, minimum springs and 500/400 wheel rates and the bump stop in the rear down 4 clicks and from up like 12 clicks. Max downforce!
My set up is basically a fined tuned aggressive set up.
My caster is stock, my toe is -1.2, 1.2 rear. My camber is the stock 4 and 3.5.
My mechanical grip settings are basically stock but with 1 or 2 clicks down on the spring rates both front and back. Then I take 3 or 4 off the rear bump and as a couple to the front.
Damping is basically -3-4 off the stock set ups all the way around.
26, 27, 16, 27
11, 17, 20, 28
My downforce is 10 rear and 0 front and my ride height is 70-52!
I do use 4tc 4abs and 2 tc2.
My lap times were 1:43.5 and the hot lap time was 1:41.9. Around 1.6 seconds slower which is pretty normal for on most tracks with the exceptions of Paul Richard where I'm about 2.5 seconds slower and Spa where I'm in the 2:17 range.
I've attempted to try the eSports/Hot lap set ups but they just feel so weird and unrealistic after spending 3 years using base aggressive set ups with a few tweaks to make the car more stable..
Id like to see a league or championship that requires the settings to be with in a specific window eliminating the exploit set ups!
This would imo bring out the best drivers in Sim racing and eliminate the ones who rely on the exploits.. While I believe people like Baldwin, Whitehead and the other top elite drivers would still be at the top, at the same time I feel some of the others would fall off.
It would also make for better racing. It would bring the top 50% of the field closer and who knows. Some of the bigger names might fall off and new names come into the spotlight!!
You saying your 3 tenths from the fastest guys seems crazy to me. Are you really 3 tenths slower or is the set up 3 tenths slower? The only way to find out is have races where the exploits are eliminated. Which was the goal of 1.9 and it failed miserably
It's kinda hilarious how I only manage a 1:41.3 with the Porsche on my PB and it's still slow in comparison... XD
Watkins Glen:
+1.733% difference between default (w/ adjusted electronics) and eSport set-ups.
That's a 31.2 second difference in a 30 minute race, or a 25 minute difference in a 24 hour race (assuming constant tyre wear)
Kyalami:
+0.90% difference. That's 16.2 seconds in a 30 minute race, or 13 minutes in a 24 hour race.
Hmmm, time to start playing around with my set-ups....
I'm new, and from what I've seen so far, people have complained that since 1.9, the TC settings are out of wack. I guess I don't understand why TC2 would be on 0, when Aris says that TC2 determines how much power will be cut; so if you set it to 0, you are cutting no power, therefore making TC1 irrelevant?
I think dev will say different things but if you follow esport drivers/videos or even what we see during races (as you can see TC settings) most of people are using TC2 at 0. TC1 makes all the difference if you wanna go fastest :)
@@Jardier Thanks for the tip. I'll experiment with that.