The Accidental Escort || CRS-Class Light "Cruiser" || Halo Ship Breakdown
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Idk of this is an unpopular opinion but i love the halo 4 covie ships, this little guy is cute and the RCS cruiser is really cool looking despite both being redesigned ccs's
I agree wholeheartedly. I even love the Lich.
Halo 4 and 5 have some of my favorite ships and Covie designs in Halo. And the idea that these ships are small because of a manufacturing error is just hilarious to me, I like it when the Covenant have problems.
#HaloPositivity
Oh dude, the armored Cruiser looks incredible, I agree. Thing is Halo 4 Covenant ships look good only in prerendered cutscenes. In-game models were very poor quality.
I love them too. Although I do have issues with the CRS as it's presented. Supposedly it is able to carry several phantoms in its hanger bays, But the hangers are waaay too small for that. I actually wanna make a redesigned CRS model at some point to fix these issues while keeping the spirit of it intact.
@@Dryymyeah I been interested in this one since halo 3 and 4 and the design looks Wierd for it being way scaled down like it looks not too tall to fit a phantom as in game we see it at angles but also is very slim but I love the idea of a support ship with no shields 😊
BABY COVIE CRUISER! (The Return!)
I love how both in and out of the universe, the Zanar is literally the result of a production "oopsie". Out of Universe, 343 accidentally made the CCS too small in Halo 4's campaign, then made it a feature in Spartan Ops, while IN universe the assembly forges of the Covenant goofed up and crapped out a batch of cruisers that look like they got hit by Gru's shrink ray. It's silly but funny and I kinda like it.
I also love the implication that Jul M'Dama basically tried to bulk out his fleet with these "pocket cruisers" because he was so broke-ass that he couldn't afford to nab enough actual cruisers. The scanners on the Infinity probably freaked out when first jumping into the Requiem system being like "Ah shit! He's got a shitton of CCS cruisers!" before looking at it for a second and being like "Oh, false alarm! It's just a bunch of CRS cruisers! Drop the frigates and let's mop up this mess!"
So this thing is essentially a glorified dropship dropship for dropping dropships where the typical, very vulnerable, dropship would get dropped shipping troops. The Zanar to frigate ratio is pretty spooky too.
That was wild to read.
You might allready know this, but i love that the frigate commonwealth is actually being decomissioned on the level "Boneyard" in halo reach, you can see the hull id on the front, i didn't see it right away at first.
This makes me want to start another starsector play through, just to appreciate the escort and support ships.
Starsector is goated. Someone updated the UNSC mod and added a tonne of new ships and weapons recently (totally not me btw) check it out ;)
@@ryanlowe6753 waiting for the covenant update.
What I love is that the smallest warship in halo is still a little bit larger than the absolute largest of sea going warships in our world. Really puts the scale of halo in.... Well..... Scale
The little guy! They may be small, but they are powerful... enough for its role. Not a bad ship, but definitely a good escort ship and an adorable one thanks to its size.
I love how the covenant is so advanced but at the same time so completely incompetent. Their largest ship is just a scaled up CAS Carrier, and their smallest ship is just a downscaled CCS cruiser. They have no ability to innovate whatsoever.
“Necessity is the mother of invention.” Don’t need to innovate when you’re the most technologically advanced faction by a long shot.
At least that’s probably the mindset for the Covenant leadership. There’s also the Covenant bureaucracy that restricts innovation, as well as the fact that the Covenant don’t fully understand their own technology, so they couldn’t make meaningful innovation even if they so desired.
This is demonstrated perfectly in First Strike. Cortana learns that Covenant ships are capable of in-atmosphere slipspace jumps, and performs one to escape certain doom, but also realises that Covenant technology’s “imitative rather than innovative” nature means they didn’t even know their own ships were capable of such a feat.
Hell there’s a chance Regret only figures out it can be done in Halo 2 because he won’t make it to orbit and so he does it out of desperation, only to learn that his ship could always do that lol.
To be fair, most UNSC ships are also just some variation on like 3 different existing ships
Unfortunate downstream consequence of developing a series based primarily on ground conflicts
Except that’s not true at all lamp, the assault carrier is a design that works well as a carrier so, why change it? The Zanar is a result of what are known as “mutations” in the building process of covenant ships, usually they erase these mutations and reset the forges but sometimes ships like the Zanar are useful enough and are kept. There are also several aspects of their technology that they themselves have made. Energy shielding was said to have improved from the Maugen(RCS) to the Ket(CCS), the drekar was being developed throughout the entirety of the war to combat prowlers but obviously they collapsed before it could be used, there are several weapons that were in develop even during the war, the plasma repeater to replace the rifle as a mainline weapon, and a later edition being the pulse rifle.
That whole Cortana thing is also quite literally just because she’s an A.I, she doesn’t say any of the technology is inefficient it was calculations and that’s it, but also Let’Volir was said to have done the same maneuver before Cortana did it meaning that like their unsc counterparts most covenant commanders use normal techniques and don’t pull these wild crazy tactics.
Also forgot to mention that literally all of their ships aren’t forerunner derived so those are innovations. Even as the covenant was winning the war they introduced a new design of ship the Kewu.
I mean the entire point of the Covenant faction is that they are using tech they "found" on Forerunner worlds... after basically just doing some redesigning and painting they have a fleet.
The thing that makes the Humans so great is that they actually organically discovered FTL tech and then set to work adapting Covie tech and eventually forerunner tech for their own ships.
@@PeterMuskrat6968 no the sangheili had a fleet and almost a hundred colonies on their own before the war that started the covenant, this is with them forbidding the research of forerunner tech. It should be noted they had a native base of energy weaponry and anti gravity tech. If they used literal forerunner ships that were repainted just one would destroy human space.
Was about to say how this ship exemplifies covenant creativity But her origins are relatively interesting.
7:45 i think there might be an explanation for the "plasma laser" being similar to the beam rifle which fires a "particle beam," a similar contradiction. I believe what is going on is that there is a matter projectile, either solid or plasma in a firing chamber, with multiple lasers discharing into it from the back as a propelling mechanism. That was the lore for the beam rifle iirc, so id guess the plasma beam would be similar. In practice it may appear like a scaled up beam rifle, not too dissimilar to a pulse laser, but with the advantage of a hard impact weapon, which may be more effective at point defense than a regular laser which needs to heat its target to deal any damage
Wait a minute, did I watch this already somehow :/
Yep, had to reupload it with music.
@@gammacompanymark no wonder :P
I definitely like this ship, it fits a nice role that the covenant didn’t have. Thanks for another awesome video
I remember I 3d printed these for Halo Fleet Battles; they looked like a piece of rice lol
congrats on the canon fodder shoutout
I’ve definitely come to have a greater appreciation for smaller more easily produced and maintained starships in fiction lately especially attack ships/frigates/corvettes like this
it's a big TIE fighter and I love it
The Fall of Reach book is simply amazing science fiction. I really enjoyed the fleet battle at Sigma Octavis IV
The idea of Covenant ship patterns being created through "mutations" is honestly a really cool concept and makes the Covenant quite different to other scifi factions that either "grow" their ships in a fully- or semi-organic fashion, as well as being different to the inflexible religious dogma and ignorance of factions like the Imperium of Man in 40k.
It gives the Covenant ship designs a quirk that keeps them halfway organic and halfway mechanical, at least conceptually, and lets us both have the Covenant not fully understand their own technology as well as letting them experiment and innovate in limited and not-always-successful ways.
Still awaiting a sequel to Shadow of Intent
Interesting little ship, i kinda like it.
I love that they took a scaling error and made it a fun lore feature. It’s always fun when devs embrace stuff like that.
This is some of the best lore video's for halo covvie and UNSC ships, keep up the good work
Love the video and the fact that this was a manufacturing error is hilarious.
How it isn’t a Thanatos, mark. Where is it mark, you promised the Thanatos and I don’t see it, WHERE IS IT MARK?!?!?
THATS WHY HES THE GOOOOOOOOOOAT
the "forgot to check the scale of model input and go to sleep" classic of many 3d printing civilization
Imagine being on that one RCS when the Infinity just popped out of slipspace
Poor little guy probably didn't even have time to move out of the way before getting pasted across the Infinity's hull like a bug on a windshield
Imagine a universe flop into mass effect and these dinky doodles could wipe the floor with your average Cruiser and frigates in ME size
I totally agree and I think most of the community also does. I won't go into all the details as you should read it for yourself but there is a mass effect-halo crossover (called 'All the Stars' by BlueWay) where a upgraded Ardent Prayer (using parts from the Long Night of Solace) was able to take out Sovereign and a couple Geth ships protecting it by itself for the most part. Honestly mass effect is one of the weakest and least advanced sci-fi universes I know off that has prominent space combat (doesn't mean it's not cool though).
Also the only cruisers that could have chance of winning would have to be from either the Asari, the Salarians, the Collectors, the Geth or Cerberus and the only frigate in the entire mass effect universe that could have a chance of winning would have to be a max war score Normandy SR-2.
In regards to the colors of covenant tech discussed near the end of the video, I’ve always liked the reddish colors that some stuff in reach had, like the revenant
The CRS is a decent little ship for the Covenant, for sure. When you think of the hulking battlecruisers and carriers, you might laugh at this tiny little thing, but you'd find your face melted soon after for sure.
It does make me wonder about the Paris-class UNSC Savanah in Halo Reach though, and the slug-fest it got into with that SDV corvette(which was almost twice it's size, and over three times larger than the CRS). It was done for the sake of plot, maybe, but there's no way it should've lasted as long as it did in that fight.
@richard-4655
The difference between the Zanar-patterns and Ceudar-patterns probably come from their roles in a fleet.
The Zanar-pattern seems to be more space combat focused, with features like it's hangar bay seeming more like an afterthought to make it easier to move supplies between it and it's assigned ship. It's laughable ability at holding personal (50 warriors is nothing when considering the far smaller Lich can comfortably hold 40 warriors) kinda supports it being pretty much only focused on ship to ship combat.
The Ceudar-pattern while also serving as escorts seems to be more focused on troop deployment rather than space combat, using it's cloaking devices to essentially act as an extension of the fleets Carriers ability in deploying invasion armies. The SDVs in Reach are a prime example, sneaking beneath Reachs defenses to set up spires and pylons while also deploying the seeds for an invasion, allowing the nearly 30km long Sh'wada-pattern Supercarrier to also sneak onto the surface of Humanities best defended fortress world besides maybe Earth...
If we had the time and tech to turn all of our ICBMs into surface to space missiles, I think we could probably knock one of those out of the sky. It would be super tricky though, since the ship could just do a slipe soace jump to get away from the missiles.
Are you... Are you telling me that Halo 4 cruisers sizes ARE REAL!? CANON?
I like it too. I love small "Battleship" style
I’ve never heard the word technobabble spelled in so many different ways
Maybe in another 10 years we will get to see the San'Shyuum return
Its a fun little ahip. You should use the sins of the prophets teams mods for gameplay on these videos they do a lot of work for this stuff.
As a New viewer I love these video's
There'll always be a special place in my heart for the CCS and the CAS but I friggin LOVE the smaller Covenant ships; the Lich, the CRS and especially the Covenant Corvette, I like capital ships that're small enough to get a feel for how big the interior might be. I feel like the CRS should be able to hold a lot more than 50 troops though, that'd be about on par with a Lich, which it dwarfs. I really wish we got to go inside a CRS, Covie ship-themed areas have kinda gotten the shaft since Halo 2.
It’s so small. It’s cute
13:00 well she does have a few naval coilgun secondaries (Onagers I think).
Hey it's about the size of the Enterprise.
I want a xannar-pattern light cruiser plushie NOW!!!
it be cool to find other species thar the covenant kept contained like UNSC at early years of the war when loss after loss drove them back towards Earth.
So to give those here an idea of just how small this thing actually is. The USS Nimitz. The flagship of the US navy, is LARGER than the mainstay. It's longer than it by 32.8 meters. (Though it does weigh considerably less obviously)
Diet Ket-Pattern 🤏
marky maaarrrk whats good
I think i originally thought the truth and reconciliation was one of these because of the scale it appears at in the level, i cant remember what order i learned the ship sizes in but the 1800 and 300m ships having the same model was a bit confusing at first
Only Buck, not the rest of alpha-nine being Spartan IV’s. I get it tho, Nathan Fillion is charming as hel.
Why was this recommended when it was still private 20 min ago?
I wanna hug it
Could you do a breakdown of the difference between the CSO-class supercarriers? The Sh'wada-pattern supercarrier seen over Reach measures 29km long. However, the Sublime Transcendence seen in Ghosts of Onyx measured over 32km. Very little was described about Sublime Transcendence but we did get information about the Sh'wada-pattern. Maybe you have a take on this?
way off topic but i really want to love the beam rifle
but that kill was about as good as a wet fart lmao
Its very smol
A flying Nimitz class carrier basically
With the size
I know there's some ambiguity about the ship at Chi Seti 4, has it been established to be a CRS? From what i know, TFoR describes it as a covenant ship a third of the Commonwealth's length, or roughly 178 m long, which the comic book and Fall of Reach movie portray it as a CCS class, over 3 times longer than the Commonwealth. Is it logical for such a small ship to absorb so much damage, or is it unusually durable for her size because of her stable mutation of a CCS nature?
Memebers of 343 refer to it as a CRS so I'd take that as soft confirmation because they seem to want to avoid that topic. If you ask me, the ship at Chi Ceti 4 took less damage than it should have and if all CRSs are as weak as that one then that class isn't that good all around. A single MAC round was enough to bring down it's shields and do some hull damage, a single round from a pre-war ship which would be considered laughable by late war standards and in a single shot when other ships normally take three, surviving the nuke isn't even all that impressive because it's shields were likely active by the time it went off.
@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 I personally like to believe it was CSS but i know it isn't realistic.
27 years on this rock, and I just now connected the dots between the Great Schism and Order 66.... Who ripped off who??! H2 and RotS came out roughly around the same time. Gonna have to Louggle this s$!t today lol
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1:22. That comparison says it all. Holy shit, that’s one midget cruiser. How the fuck does a corvette end up being twice as big as a light cruiser?
17:56. I’ve read SoI, I don’t remember the Minister of Preparation ever saying that the Elites sided with the Flood. I think he just preyed on Tem’Bhetek’s belief that Rtas ‘Vadum was responsible for his wife’s death.
19:07. It also further highlights just how little the Covenant truly understand the technology they reverse engineered. Their assembly vats are just reverse engineered Forerunner design seeds, which are so incredibly complex that renegade mutations are bound to happen when you don’t truly understand the technology being used.
The truth and reconciliation looked too small to be a CCS battlecruiser. I would assume that was a CRS just by its small size
In that battle, the CRS weapons out range the Paris yet the shipmaster was so aggressive that he kept moving in close for the kill. Could’ve killed the human ship if it kept its distance.
can you do a breakdown on the *Man O War" sanghili ship from your sanghili blockade runner vid
Yep it's on the list
cheers@@gammacompanymark
My take is that the green lights are cool and all, but I would like it if they were pink or blue or something else.
the phantom with the green lights makes my eyes hurt though.
Is the one we helped destroy with mantis's in spartan opps named?
I believe that is the one Panom's Canticle I went on about for a bit.
@@gammacompanymarkI forgot what spops mission it was but you can see the dark purple with blue lights covenant cruiser version from halo reach in halo 4, using the mod tools i confirmed the game has both colour variations of the cruiser (reach/h4) along with a shiny corvette model in the game files.
Great video but one thing, why do you keep calling Jul 'Mdama's covenant, "Storm Covenant"?
Because that's what his version of the Covenant was called, also in Halo 4s code literally all the covenant assets be they characters, weapons, vehicles, ect all have the word storm written infront of their names.
Yeah I sort of extrapolated that one from the fact that their weapons and armor and vehicles and base rank are all referred to as "Storm"
'Storm Covenant' is a irl colloquialism for Jul's Covenant to help distinguish it from the actual Covenant and other Covenant remnant factions.
#HaloPositivity
@@er1cdoomI like that hashtag
@@tigertank1819 no canon source refers to his Covenant as that, and the writers deliberately make a point of not doing so. They don't like the fan nickname and don't acknowledge it as a part of any Halo canon; the Storm moniker in the files was a work-in-progress development codename for Halo 4 as a whole.
I know in lore that the Unrelenting was a light cruiser but am i the only one that thinks it's weird that a 300 meter long ship looks massive compared to a 535 meter long ship? In the animated full of reach movie (if this is a commonly known sizing error please let me know) I had always assumed that the Unrelenting was CSS class based on size alone and despite the fact that if it was CSS you'd assume that the Commonwealth should of been vaporized I think that the fight in the movie was fairly realistic as the covenant ship gives up one of it's advantages by going into close range, and had blue team not bordered the Unrelenting the Commonwealth would of lost anyway. I feel like the Paris has been unfairly judged like how in Halo Reach (Game) it was able to last a decent while against the larger and more advanced Ardent Prayer when it couldn't even use it's MAC (unless it did in lore as i defo don't remember it being used in game) .
Btw the size difference i'm talking about is when the Unrelenting comes out of slip space on 'top' of the Commonwealth and looks like it dwarfs the frigate in size.
Yeah the error in that movie was that they thought the Unrelenting was a Ket-Pattern CCS, but its since been retconned to be a Zanar-Pattern.
its alot more effort trying to justify it instead of just admitting 343 made a mistake in scaling the model
That wouldn't be accurate, as the model was made for Halo 4 and wasn't a rescale.
Yeah I didn't say they re used any model, they just scaled theirs incorrectly in game
@@konk8429 the concept of a 300m-long cruiser was first established in Halo: First Strike in 2003. The CRS designation was first introduced in 2011's Essential Visual Guide.
@BaconShelf yeah there's no issue with the existence of a smaller ship lol, the only issue is trying to justify why its just a tiny CCS instead of a new design
Aren’t Spartans kovan and stone dead in halo infinite
Indeed they are
isnt kovan alive@@gammacompanymark
Unsc cruisers pls
In due time, in due time.
Regret be watching to much star wars, think he is a fan of palpatine.
A Covenant ship named simply ‘the Unrelenting’… this is… blasphemous, disingenuous, fake, heretical and fit for Brute’s dinner! What happen to ships names like ‘Truth and Reconciliation’, what happened to the continuity?! Lol
The Unrelenting was in the Fall of Reach book, which is actually the first book and released a month or so before Combat Evolved.
The cooler names came later.
When you try to hate on 343 but have no knowladge
@@filipgaecki5480 yeah, one has to start somewhere, can’t be born with the knowledge after all, I’m a kid and has just known Halo for half a year, and I’m not really invested in expanded content yet, that’s on me. But I also don’t hate 343 as it is now, not at all, and hasn’t imbued an emotion as strong as ‘hate’ towards anything in a long time, even when things sucked. At the most I’ll just be amazed at how frakked up it is, mild amusement.
So I’m going to excuse myself for this once.
Thank you sir, but still, consistency would be nice to have, especially when it comes to cool ship names.
Nope. Too mobile, too much point defense, too much offensive options against the nuclear triad and other launch systems.