You know what? 343i should probably put some money into _Sins of the Prophets_ to make a fully-fledged Halo Fleet Battles game. The main issue with spinoffs is that Halo has been an XBox-centric franchise and some genres don't translate well to Xbox, but with Halo on PC being pretty standard now, I can see it being a very worthwhile expansion of the franchise. It would also give Halo Wars sub-franchise somewhere to really shine, PC is where the RTS genre is at its absolute peak.
simple, SW empire at war (but better) for space battles+ men of war assault squads for ground combat alongside a campaign map that is just entirely new
@@istoppedcaring6209yes please, hire the awakening the rebellion devs (after they finish their clone wars and pre having GCW mods) and the dude makeing thrawns revenge and its spin off mods
@@josephmontanaro2350 The Thrawns Revenge dev team have spoken at length about how making a game is extremely different than making a mod. A company can't just hire a mod team and tell them to make a game. That's not how it works. Modders are extremely talented people, but they're not talented at game development, they're talented at modding. They're two very different things. They don't have magic dev powers that magically make all games good. What they *do* have is a lack of executive oversight, no tangible deadlines, and an entire games systems already made for them to build on. That's why mods can get so good.
15:50 give Humanity some credit, we were still *literally re-evolving* and building society from the ground up because of the Human/Forerunner War and the Forerunner/Flood War. None of the other species were forcibly de-evolved.
@@MrGuana141 Ah, but you see they had an intact Forerunner starship to reverse engineer and study. Not to mention that the Shan'Shyuum weren't actually devolved because they viewed Humanity as the primary instigator of the Human/Forerunner war.
Though it doesn't matter once the halo array was fired as everyone would be forced to start from 0, and having forerunner artifacts does not exactly propel the species forward. Take this quote from Arthur C Clarke "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" to these now primitive san'shyuum and sangheili (the latter of which forbade taking apart forerunner tech) it would sit as black boxes until the species became advanced enough to understand what they're looking at.
very incorrect. though your heart is in the right place. ancient humanity was de-evolved, but modern species in the galaxy were all re-seeded from a "de-evolved" or simple natural original state for their species after the halo rings fired and the galaxy was clensed of the flood. what is impressive is humanity's knack for innovation while the covenant only adopted what tech it could gleam from forerunner artifacts.
Everyone was reset by the Halo array, but none of the others were biologically and genetically devolved like humanity was. The modern species come from specimens taken just before the array fired, so the specimens of humanity were those who were nerfed. The prophets were not devolved, but a Halo was fired in their solar system. All others are biologically and genetically where they were before the Halos fired, but technology and society for all had to be remade from a hunter-gatherer state. Prophets got a boost from reverse engineered Forerunner ships, but the Eilites refused to do that (even though they also had plenty of accessible Forerunner relics) for religious reasons, meaning that the Elites are natively the most advanced in the post-Halo firing galaxy.
57:35 The huragok upgrading the Shadow of Intent with the 'new energy conduits of unknown purpose' is like when upgrades the leviathan axe by tapping it with a hammer and has no explanation for kratos other than, "it's better". Also woah engineers and brok are both blue so it adds up.
The new energy conduits have just for the fridges for their snacks strategically placed to hide from the elites. The prophets didn’t like them snacking every where and the elites never noticed and treat them like cats.
What i was just thinking, i wonder if the covenant breaks down whole planets for resources. Would be interesting, i know the first scarabs were for excavation. Especially so for forerunner artifacts.
@spikemaster220 Not sure about breaking down whole planets, but the various species of the Covenant give tithes of raw materials for construction and adding some extra armor to the exterior of High Charity.
In so many nerd discussions and debates, it’s honestly insane how slept on covenant ships are. They’re honestly extremely powerful and can kick the dog shit out of most other ships of sci fi/sci fantasy IPs. Halo is incredibly slept on and I think it’s because of our lack of a good series, instead of just the games and books(hm what show? There is no halo show).
Why can I so easily picture Supreme Commander Tora'lomi deflating a dingy with a large needle to make it go faster? Dude is like the Admiral Ozzel of Halo, he's just lucky the Covenant Empire doesn't have an equivalent to Darth Vader on hand, he'd be toast in under a minute. 🤣
i honestly wish we'd see more of the interiors of some of these, a lot of them genuinely seem like they got some awesome or at the very least interesting interiors
Small mistake for the CAS : the glassing beam is in the head of the ship while the 2 heavy plasma lances are on top and below the main reactor. In halo wars 2 the AI fire the plasma lance, not the glassing beam, at the ark.
No, I believe Isabel did fire the glassing beam in Halo Wars 2, not the plasma lance. There seems to be some discrepancies as to where the glassing beam is located on the two ships, but in most interpretations, the Kerel pattern from halo 3 has it on the bow of the ship and the Syfon from halo 2 and halo wars 2 has it towards the middle of the ship. We have other instances of Syfons using the beam from that part of the ship in glassing operations
@@richardwilmer4550 that could be another good explanation. I don’t think there’s any definitive answers now, I’ll admit. My last comment was kind of just my headcanon based on what we’ve seen, but it seems like the portrayal isn’t always consistent. Maybe one of them is just a plasma lance rather than a full on glassing beam
Awesome video Mark. One thing; at ~32:20 when discussing the loss of the infinity, the Banished definitely did take losses. In Rubicon Protocol the marines and Spartans going to the surface by Pelican fly through the hole the Infinity's MAC put in a wrecked Banished Dreadnaught.
I haven’t read shadows of reach, but apparently it’s said that escharum used a super carrier as his flagship, and it was more akin to xytans larger unknown variant. Also, the rest of the fleet that enduring conviction belonged to ended up joining the swords of sanghelios and even helped transport ussan refugees to sanghelios. This means that arbiter has at least one syfon pattern assault carrier in his fleet
I’m just bummed that we got a whole new carrier model in Reach with awesome new colors and details and it ends up being used as another CAS model that never gets elaborated on. Meanwhile the CSO, the biggest, baddest covenant ship ever seen in a game, gets a recolor of an existing model. Did they get the two models mixed up or something? Not that big a deal at the end of the day, but still irks me just a little
😤 we need to put some more respect on my boi Thel Lodamee. Almost single-handedly ended the series in a 1on1 fight as a low ranking officer. What a GOAT
Also the Brute Superheavy Mass Driver is probably a gravity-MAC equivalent... as en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_driver says mass drivers are... things that drive mass electromagnetically but maybe it's a gravity weapon not EM.
Yea it wouldn't really make sense for him to be a high ranking shipmaster during Halo 2 if he was being sent down to go fight Flood on the ground. He only became a shipmaster in the wake of the schism.
58:56 Two Charon-Class Heavy Frigates were present for the battle of Installation 00: The FFG - 201 Foward Unto Dawn and the FFG - 307 Aegis Fate. It's the frigate you see hanging over in Halo 3's Sandtrap.
5:09 anyone else ever wanted to have a parody animation where theres like an ODST squad still in one of those buidings that got sucked in? Like they are just there in their suuts in vaccume sitting on a couch, waiting for extraction from the in amber clad as the battle of delta halo happens? 12:00 i also like you implication that truth both knows what a lawn is, assumadly has on high charity and persumably mows it on a custom anti gravity mower drink space monster
if I'm not mistaken the Guardian was taken out by The Banished by using a Forerunner McGuffing that they managed to steal from the Arbiter at the end of Halo Outcasts. So no, the Infinity wasn't taken by surprised head-on, what actually happened was that the Banished used the same anti-Guardian weapon against the INFINITY and temporarily neutered the ship because unlike a Guardian, the INFINITY has shields, so when the INFINITY came back to full operability the Banished ships were already on a collision course. This last bit has been retconned thrice already: In Halo Infinite they mention that The Banished just popped up and instantly rammed them without warning, INFINITY's shields were down because they wanted to maintain a low profile from the Installation's defenses. In The Rubicon Protocol they state that The Banished were just there already, over the orbit of Zeta Halo before going full throttle against the Infinity after Lasky ordered for them to be suppresed thinking the UNSC had the upper hand because of Infinity and the ships it can deploy. And then they finally understood what that big weird front designs for their new ships were for, ramming. They also found out at the last second that INFINITY's shields suddenly deactivated and because they also had their engines completely turned off to have an even lower profile, they couldn't outmaneuver the Banished fleet in-time. In Halo Outcasts it is retconned again, now explaining that the "Guardian killing" weapon was used against INFINITY and it completely turned it off for a short time, enough for Banished ships to go full speed and then lower said speed and ram them as intended without destroying the ramming ships, this is also why the reaction force couldn't properly fight back as they also had their shields down, and we know how Titanium-A does against Plasma when shielded, so when the ship contingent in INFINITY was released, they couldn't really position themselves because the fight was all around the INFINITY, no long range, just point defense at that point and with Plasma and likely spike and electric or electromagnetic weaponry (like Brute shot shock ammo (Halo Wars/3), Disruptor, Shock Rifle) flying and hitting every single UNSC vessel at the battle. Now, because of the previously mentioned, it is hinted at that INFINITY didn't leave or was previously in a very low power mode because of the Guardian which was already at Zeta Halo and they didn't want to risk getting checkmate'd by Cortana when trying to slip-space out of Zeta's atmosphere, they wouldn't be able to do it in time in this occasion, when The Weapon was used to contain the leader of the Created, Cortana lost control of the Guardian, apparently just there, not doing anything, then the space battle happens, the cataclism and Zeta Slip-space maneuver happens and somewhere in-between the 9 months before Halo INFINITE starts The Banished, either out of necessity or to avoid a possible unexpected threat later, decide to use the "Anti-Guardian" McGuffin weapon against the Guardian we see now either destroyed or temporarily downed across the landscape. The question remains as to what this weapon actually his, A Forerunner ship?, a key?, some tech they reverse engineered?, there's also the possibility it is some sort of breakthrough in electromagnetic tech, as they use considerably more advanced shock weaponry throughout INFINITE. That might explain why the Guardian doesn't look completely thrashed in INFINTE, it's stunned, semi-permanently until someone or something reactivates it, which might or not cause Soldiers, Watchers, Crawlers and Knights to pop-outta nowhere or just no.
Also, a data log from INFINITE contradicts INFINITE again by mentioning that Lasky saw the ships and decided to attack them to avoid them messing up the Cortana containment plan by accident which contradicts the audio log with Chief and Lasky "walking on the ship" and Lasky being completely unaware and being caught by surprise by the Banished fleet and a ramming ship. So yes, the prelude to Zeta Halo guerrilla warfare is messy in the lore, for now. I think the last time the lore became this convoluted was with The Great Schism and the transition info drops for Halo Reach canonicity when Bungie leaved and 343i had to make sense on the road to Halo 4.
CSO is the coolest ship to me, when you see how massive it is in Tip of the Spear mission it truly makes you understand how out gunned we were ship wise in the Covenant war.
I love your channel, just subbed today. It's great to see someone focusing on my favourite element of the franchise - the ships! I've designed a few Halo frigates as fan designs myself, including the Nevada class frigates and later, the Triton class (one was featured in the comics as the UNSC Nereid). My latest design was a troop support ship I named the UNSC Santiago. Anyways, keep up the great work! 👍
Excuse my misspelling my medications makes my vision blurriy sometimes and makes it hard to type. A note on mass and volumetric density and why the carriers are all as long as the unsc infinity. Mass is not the only measure to think of how big a ship is but it is also neccessary to think of the materials densities. Some materials are less dense and two objects that weight the same aka are identical in mass are different sizes, because one ofcthem has its atoms packed closer together. Meaning the same mass takes up less space compared to a less dense metal. Keeping this in mind and knowing how projectiles and armours are mostly dependant on making armoir that can weather the transfer of energy or the projectile. The projectile has higher transfers of mass if you can accelerate an object of denser material into a target. Thus the densest metals make the best projectiles but they require larger payloads in the projection system for bullets this means bigger bullet casing with more gunpowder and a larger sized bullet. Since lead is one of the heaviest non radioactive.metals you would choose this. For armour however you need alot.more energy relative to the previous equation of blancenbecause its dealing with different considerations mainly fuel use and horsepower of the engines and other stuff; just more stuff in general goes into moving around a denser material tankcfor example. But if you dont care about readjoactivity or its low enough to not be threatening to the user of the fire arm. You could use a heavier metal than lead like for example depleted uranium So i think Barring the fact that the carriers look wider they are using denser elements. These are most likely elements fromxthe theroetical "magic island of stability" where atoms heavier then the current heaviest element would be stable enough to be practically used. This is because heaviest elements arenusually the most unstable with some so short its in microseconds. Impractical for any uses. Especially for war. Considering they use forerunner tech i wouldnt be surprised if they cpuls make such metals. To go further into this the reason for this we already have examples of this in our own modern day weapons with depleted urainium ammunition. The use of these rounds is not the radioactivity for a toxic effect nor does it increase the yield of explosions. Instead the primary reason is because urainium is a metal which some people might not know because its usually depicted as a glowing mass and it is very different from what most people think of as metal. But if youve seen actual urainium youll see it is a metallic colour when in regular light and not being in a fission reaction. Urainium is a heavier atom than lead and its used for nuclear reactions because bigger atoms are more likely to break into two smaller atoms but this is mostly irrelevant. What is relevant is density. For the most part elements become more and more dense as they get bigger. Lead is used for most firearms because it is one of the heaviest non radioactive metals. Im sure people have held lead and noted its extreme weight even its the same dimensions as another object made of a different metal. Its why steel is lighter than iron because the carbon is lighter than iron. Essentially if you want stronger armour for a ship you would use a heavier metal as its density makes it tougher but stuff like titanium can have effects where its lattices of alloys made from it being extremely strong cuz of its structure. But for the most part if you fired some iron or steel or copper ammunition its less likely to penetrate. This is also why radiation lead and other similarly dense metals are able to stop strong radiation. Some radiation like alpha particles are stopped by cardboard and beta particles stop with lighter and less dense metals like aluminum or steel but gamma ones are so strong it ionizes atoms. Including the ones in your dna and cells. And theyre so powerful only dense metals like lead are able to stop them. But if more dense metals existed that werent more radioactive (im not sure but some might exist but for whatever reason lead seems to be the most practical if there is a denser metal.) But what i theorize is going on here is that the covenant have these elusive elements that we currently havent made yet. Theoretically the periodic table is infinite if we could make the weak force preventing them from escaping having a larger radius of effect before falling off. Our universe just has it set that our current periodic table is for the most part the "complete" table. However there are theorized to be more but the issue is that like i saidnin our world the limit is at what ever our current highest element is because anything bigger is so unstable its lifespan is extremely small in the range of pice seconds and plank seconds. Theyxdont exist in any meaningful way. But a theoretical "magical island of stability"
Actually I belive that the UNSC Forward Unto Dawn was not the only UNSC ship that joined the Fleet of Retribution due the UNSC Aegis Fate being seen on the multiplayer map Sandtrap which is located on the Ark during Halo 3.
Interesting thing about the CAS is that, theoretically, both plasma beams on the bottom could fire at the same time because the one in the "head" of CAS carriers has a separate, dedicated reactor. So a CAS can double glass you.
I really want to see the banished face when they find the eternity and have an entire fleet destroyed in 4 minutes included an infinity ram on one of them of course
Plasma lances are described as long-range weapons in lore, and combat is generally fairly long-range in Halo. 10,000 kilometers is considered extremely close-range and only a couple seconds of flight for a Pelican in space. The games show close-range space combat because it looks really damn cool.
I hope we get some more clarification on the grav impact driver.. as for now my best guesses are that the bow has a grav hammer type effect or that the main weapon on the front is a type of kinetic gravitic weapon. Essentially a MAC with gravitic rounds.
@@ItsButterBean1020 Yeah, that would be cool, kinda like how some human ship names have shortened nicknames too, such as Pillar of Autumn simply being the "Autumn" or the Spirit of Fire being the "Spirit".
Something I realised a bit ago when playing halo 2 was when miranda keyes wanted to chase that carrier out of the city, admiral hood said "negative, I'll vector two heavies for starside intercept" meaning I'm guessing two marathons?
The only issue with the infinity fighting a guardian theory I have, is how the rings fracturing happens DURING the fight with the banished. Its recorded in a few audio logs and in the cutscene of Atriox and Cortana, she slams the guardian into the ring after Atrix said he beat Chief.
39:00 I think the closest we will get to a halo focused in space combat is the single mission on reach and sins of the prophets oh and the homeworld halo mod
"... for a species that loves honor, [sangheli] just can't get enough of it." That killstealing Elite in Halo S2E4 learned that the hard way. Do not disrespect the 1v1.
Lasers as point defence (12:00). What? Lasers would be terrible as point defence. I can only think that they would be somewhat useful against missile and drones, but against any other type of projectile they would be useless or unreliable; the amount of energy need to deflect a kinetic round would be so inefficient, and melting the projectile won't help much so you would need to vaporise it, but that's unreliable as too big of a projectile mean's too much thermal mass, and too small of a projectile mean's the projectile will radiate the heat faster than it can heat up.
Hell, even after a single fight, the greatest UNSC Ship, the Infinity, was looking for repairs more than more fighting. UNSC Ships were vulnerable. But it did "land" on Requiem afterall... twice.
To me I like the silver nanolaminate plating on Covenant ships, my headcanon is that it denotes a higher power like a Supreme Commander of a fleet, imagine a ship in gold, or bronze even... P.S: In some angles because of the lighting the Long Night of Solace while in space kinda looks bronze
Really hope they do redesign for the covenant super carrier at least on the one from the silent storm novel the hammer of faith they could make it look different and unique. I to love the halo 2 anniversary assault carrier more its so slick looking and the white hull looks way for special!
Tbf had the Huragok not set Xytans ship off humanity was screwed because while Xytan wanted to focus first on the brutes he was then going to destroy humanity and continue on with the great journey.
Actually it was the Banished that destroyed the Guardian at Zeta Halo, using a Precursor weapon called the Divine Hand that they got in the book Halo Outcasts.
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59:07 Miranda wasn’t Kidding when she said this: silence
Truly that was one of the speeches of all time.
“It’s a heavyweight fight up, there and we don’t have the tonnage to last more than a few rounds”
59:10 "Miranda really wasn't kidding when she said: "
It was so deep
Ngl i teared up
Dawg gonna level with you, absolutely no one was surprised by the ADHD diagnosis
You know what?
343i should probably put some money into _Sins of the Prophets_ to make a fully-fledged Halo Fleet Battles game.
The main issue with spinoffs is that Halo has been an XBox-centric franchise and some genres don't translate well to Xbox, but with Halo on PC being pretty standard now, I can see it being a very worthwhile expansion of the franchise. It would also give Halo Wars sub-franchise somewhere to really shine, PC is where the RTS genre is at its absolute peak.
They need to make a game like Battlefleet Gothic for Halo fleet battles
simple, SW empire at war (but better) for space battles+ men of war assault squads for ground combat alongside a campaign map that is just entirely new
@@istoppedcaring6209yes please, hire the awakening the rebellion devs (after they finish their clone wars and pre having GCW mods) and the dude makeing thrawns revenge and its spin off mods
SOTP is so fricken pretty too. I played it again recently just to look at it.
@@josephmontanaro2350 The Thrawns Revenge dev team have spoken at length about how making a game is extremely different than making a mod. A company can't just hire a mod team and tell them to make a game. That's not how it works.
Modders are extremely talented people, but they're not talented at game development, they're talented at modding. They're two very different things. They don't have magic dev powers that magically make all games good. What they *do* have is a lack of executive oversight, no tangible deadlines, and an entire games systems already made for them to build on. That's why mods can get so good.
15:50 give Humanity some credit, we were still *literally re-evolving* and building society from the ground up because of the Human/Forerunner War and the Forerunner/Flood War. None of the other species were forcibly de-evolved.
the prophet were too
@@MrGuana141 Ah, but you see they had an intact Forerunner starship to reverse engineer and study. Not to mention that the Shan'Shyuum weren't actually devolved because they viewed Humanity as the primary instigator of the Human/Forerunner war.
Though it doesn't matter once the halo array was fired as everyone would be forced to start from 0, and having forerunner artifacts does not exactly propel the species forward. Take this quote from Arthur C Clarke "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" to these now primitive san'shyuum and sangheili (the latter of which forbade taking apart forerunner tech) it would sit as black boxes until the species became advanced enough to understand what they're looking at.
very incorrect. though your heart is in the right place. ancient humanity was de-evolved, but modern species in the galaxy were all re-seeded from a "de-evolved" or simple natural original state for their species after the halo rings fired and the galaxy was clensed of the flood. what is impressive is humanity's knack for innovation while the covenant only adopted what tech it could gleam from forerunner artifacts.
Everyone was reset by the Halo array, but none of the others were biologically and genetically devolved like humanity was. The modern species come from specimens taken just before the array fired, so the specimens of humanity were those who were nerfed. The prophets were not devolved, but a Halo was fired in their solar system. All others are biologically and genetically where they were before the Halos fired, but technology and society for all had to be remade from a hunter-gatherer state. Prophets got a boost from reverse engineered Forerunner ships, but the Eilites refused to do that (even though they also had plenty of accessible Forerunner relics) for religious reasons, meaning that the Elites are natively the most advanced in the post-Halo firing galaxy.
57:35 The huragok upgrading the Shadow of Intent with the 'new energy conduits of unknown purpose' is like when upgrades the leviathan axe by tapping it with a hammer and has no explanation for kratos other than, "it's better".
Also woah engineers and brok are both blue so it adds up.
The new energy conduits have just for the fridges for their snacks strategically placed to hide from the elites. The prophets didn’t like them snacking every where and the elites never noticed and treat them like cats.
Wow, noble teams ai auntie dot wasn't messing around when she said "new contact, high tonnage!"
What i was just thinking, i wonder if the covenant breaks down whole planets for resources. Would be interesting, i know the first scarabs were for excavation. Especially so for forerunner artifacts.
@spikemaster220 Not sure about breaking down whole planets, but the various species of the Covenant give tithes of raw materials for construction and adding some extra armor to the exterior of High Charity.
In so many nerd discussions and debates, it’s honestly insane how slept on covenant ships are. They’re honestly extremely powerful and can kick the dog shit out of most other ships of sci fi/sci fantasy IPs. Halo is incredibly slept on and I think it’s because of our lack of a good series, instead of just the games and books(hm what show? There is no halo show).
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Mf deciding to sneak Springtrap and thought we wouldn’t notice.
Honestly, it took me a bit to see it
13:13 someone put the vanity shield to the Dominion one in star Trek Online.
The Miranda Keyes quote is just nonexistent lol .
Sometimes i forget about my boy Slot. But goddamm, that Grunt deserves His own story
Stolt being an unstoppable unit makes sense. The way Grunts are built. A 6'3-7'4 Grunt would have MASSIVE forearms.
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Why can I so easily picture Supreme Commander Tora'lomi deflating a dingy with a large needle to make it go faster? Dude is like the Admiral Ozzel of Halo, he's just lucky the Covenant Empire doesn't have an equivalent to Darth Vader on hand, he'd be toast in under a minute. 🤣
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xytan is 11+ feet 302lbs
Thel is ~7’6” and 319
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47b scarab 178 tonnes
Mousse tank 178 tonnes
Lich 1300 tonnes
i honestly wish we'd see more of the interiors of some of these, a lot of them genuinely seem like they got some awesome or at the very least interesting interiors
Small mistake for the CAS : the glassing beam is in the head of the ship while the 2 heavy plasma lances are on top and below the main reactor. In halo wars 2 the AI fire the plasma lance, not the glassing beam, at the ark.
No, I believe Isabel did fire the glassing beam in Halo Wars 2, not the plasma lance. There seems to be some discrepancies as to where the glassing beam is located on the two ships, but in most interpretations, the Kerel pattern from halo 3 has it on the bow of the ship and the Syfon from halo 2 and halo wars 2 has it towards the middle of the ship. We have other instances of Syfons using the beam from that part of the ship in glassing operations
Isn’t one pattern able to use its gravity lift as a secondary excavation beam but have its main one on the bow
@@richardwilmer4550 that could be another good explanation. I don’t think there’s any definitive answers now, I’ll admit. My last comment was kind of just my headcanon based on what we’ve seen, but it seems like the portrayal isn’t always consistent. Maybe one of them is just a plasma lance rather than a full on glassing beam
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Great video Mark, I love how you bring attention to a lot of relatively unknown halo ships!
Awesome video Mark. One thing; at ~32:20 when discussing the loss of the infinity, the Banished definitely did take losses. In Rubicon Protocol the marines and Spartans going to the surface by Pelican fly through the hole the Infinity's MAC put in a wrecked Banished Dreadnaught.
This was a REALLY good watch.
48:05 I see you are also entangled in that lore fest. Noted.
Every Sins of the Prophets design is cannon until proven otherwise. Especially the Artemis… and the Thanatos… and all the new Covenant ships.
I haven’t read shadows of reach, but apparently it’s said that escharum used a super carrier as his flagship, and it was more akin to xytans larger unknown variant.
Also, the rest of the fleet that enduring conviction belonged to ended up joining the swords of sanghelios and even helped transport ussan refugees to sanghelios. This means that arbiter has at least one syfon pattern assault carrier in his fleet
I’m just bummed that we got a whole new carrier model in Reach with awesome new colors and details and it ends up being used as another CAS model that never gets elaborated on. Meanwhile the CSO, the biggest, baddest covenant ship ever seen in a game, gets a recolor of an existing model. Did they get the two models mixed up or something? Not that big a deal at the end of the day, but still irks me just a little
😤 we need to put some more respect on my boi Thel Lodamee. Almost single-handedly ended the series in a 1on1 fight as a low ranking officer. What a GOAT
Luro 'Taralumee's stupidity goes so far that he leads a faction that still believes in the great journey post war.
Sweetie wake up. A new GCM video just dropped!
Lol literally just did and am now listening as I get ready for work XD
@drfitz462 you mind tilting the screen a little? I'm trying to watch from the window but the screen glare is just too much
Man I read that as careers of the Covenant and now I can't stop questioning what civilian life would be for all the enemies we fight.
Also the Brute Superheavy Mass Driver is probably a gravity-MAC equivalent... as en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_driver says mass drivers are... things that drive mass electromagnetically but maybe it's a gravity weapon not EM.
Oh dude. 1 hour video. Fuck yeah
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Lol at that point in time he wasn’t even a shipmaster.
He was a Spec Ops Commander.
Wasn't Rtas made shipmaster during the Great Schism and still just a Spec Ops commander during Halo 2?
Yea it wouldn't really make sense for him to be a high ranking shipmaster during Halo 2 if he was being sent down to go fight Flood on the ground. He only became a shipmaster in the wake of the schism.
I wasn't paying attention at 11:50 when you said mictix. I looked at the screen to make sure it didn't say McDicks. I love your content.
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this is some of the best halo content on RUclips. I love your videos!!
Great vid man you really helped re-awaken my halo hyper fixation!
The wait was well worth it; never clicked a video so fast!!
58:56 Two Charon-Class Heavy Frigates were present for the battle of Installation 00: The FFG - 201 Foward Unto Dawn and the FFG - 307 Aegis Fate.
It's the frigate you see hanging over in Halo 3's Sandtrap.
Awesome video Mark, will always love these videos
48:20, don't worry, it'll be in an audio book or some article post in the halo infinite menu lol, like any story related content.
A Battle of Reach timeline would be really good
Just gonna leave this masterpiece here for now 1:00:27
this is way funnier than it has any business being
5:09 anyone else ever wanted to have a parody animation where theres like an ODST squad still in one of those buidings that got sucked in? Like they are just there in their suuts in vaccume sitting on a couch, waiting for extraction from the in amber clad as the battle of delta halo happens?
12:00 i also like you implication that truth both knows what a lawn is, assumadly has on high charity and persumably mows it on a custom anti gravity mower drink space monster
Thank you, needed something about this. Also something to go to sleep to.
Thanks for both.
Excellent analysis 😮
if I'm not mistaken the Guardian was taken out by The Banished by using a Forerunner McGuffing that they managed to steal from the Arbiter at the end of Halo Outcasts. So no, the Infinity wasn't taken by surprised head-on, what actually happened was that the Banished used the same anti-Guardian weapon against the INFINITY and temporarily neutered the ship because unlike a Guardian, the INFINITY has shields, so when the INFINITY came back to full operability the Banished ships were already on a collision course.
This last bit has been retconned thrice already:
In Halo Infinite they mention that The Banished just popped up and instantly rammed them without warning, INFINITY's shields were down because they wanted to maintain a low profile from the Installation's defenses.
In The Rubicon Protocol they state that The Banished were just there already, over the orbit of Zeta Halo before going full throttle against the Infinity after Lasky ordered for them to be suppresed thinking the UNSC had the upper hand because of Infinity and the ships it can deploy. And then they finally understood what that big weird front designs for their new ships were for, ramming. They also found out at the last second that INFINITY's shields suddenly deactivated and because they also had their engines completely turned off to have an even lower profile, they couldn't outmaneuver the Banished fleet in-time.
In Halo Outcasts it is retconned again, now explaining that the "Guardian killing" weapon was used against INFINITY and it completely turned it off for a short time, enough for Banished ships to go full speed and then lower said speed and ram them as intended without destroying the ramming ships, this is also why the reaction force couldn't properly fight back as they also had their shields down, and we know how Titanium-A does against Plasma when shielded, so when the ship contingent in INFINITY was released, they couldn't really position themselves because the fight was all around the INFINITY, no long range, just point defense at that point and with Plasma and likely spike and electric or electromagnetic weaponry (like Brute shot shock ammo (Halo Wars/3), Disruptor, Shock Rifle) flying and hitting every single UNSC vessel at the battle.
Now, because of the previously mentioned, it is hinted at that INFINITY didn't leave or was previously in a very low power mode because of the Guardian which was already at Zeta Halo and they didn't want to risk getting checkmate'd by Cortana when trying to slip-space out of Zeta's atmosphere, they wouldn't be able to do it in time in this occasion, when The Weapon was used to contain the leader of the Created, Cortana lost control of the Guardian, apparently just there, not doing anything, then the space battle happens, the cataclism and Zeta Slip-space maneuver happens and somewhere in-between the 9 months before Halo INFINITE starts The Banished, either out of necessity or to avoid a possible unexpected threat later, decide to use the "Anti-Guardian" McGuffin weapon against the Guardian we see now either destroyed or temporarily downed across the landscape.
The question remains as to what this weapon actually his, A Forerunner ship?, a key?, some tech they reverse engineered?, there's also the possibility it is some sort of breakthrough in electromagnetic tech, as they use considerably more advanced shock weaponry throughout INFINITE. That might explain why the Guardian doesn't look completely thrashed in INFINTE, it's stunned, semi-permanently until someone or something reactivates it, which might or not cause Soldiers, Watchers, Crawlers and Knights to pop-outta nowhere or just no.
Also, a data log from INFINITE contradicts INFINITE again by mentioning that Lasky saw the ships and decided to attack them to avoid them messing up the Cortana containment plan by accident which contradicts the audio log with Chief and Lasky "walking on the ship" and Lasky being completely unaware and being caught by surprise by the Banished fleet and a ramming ship. So yes, the prelude to Zeta Halo guerrilla warfare is messy in the lore, for now. I think the last time the lore became this convoluted was with The Great Schism and the transition info drops for Halo Reach canonicity when Bungie leaved and 343i had to make sense on the road to Halo 4.
We have no confirmation what the weapon in Outcasts was used for. Most of this is speculation, not retcons.
It's almost like everything surrounding Halo Infinite's lore and 343i was a complete and total clusterfuck.
CSO is the coolest ship to me, when you see how massive it is in Tip of the Spear mission it truly makes you understand how out gunned we were ship wise in the Covenant war.
I love your channel, just subbed today. It's great to see someone focusing on my favourite element of the franchise - the ships! I've designed a few Halo frigates as fan designs myself, including the Nevada class frigates and later, the Triton class (one was featured in the comics as the UNSC Nereid). My latest design was a troop support ship I named the UNSC Santiago. Anyways, keep up the great work! 👍
Ahhhhh. Warbarda!!!!
Great video, also you could never go wrong with more purple
28:16 yoooo my custom xytan png was used!!! Cool
10:58 I always thought the laser just stops firing, I never noticed that the cruiser is just blocking our view.
4:16 The Culture moment
Excuse my misspelling my medications makes my vision blurriy sometimes and makes it hard to type.
A note on mass and volumetric density and why the carriers are all as long as the unsc infinity. Mass is not the only measure to think of how big a ship is but it is also neccessary to think of the materials densities. Some materials are less dense and two objects that weight the same aka are identical in mass are different sizes, because one ofcthem has its atoms packed closer together. Meaning the same mass takes up less space compared to a less dense metal. Keeping this in mind and knowing how projectiles and armours are mostly dependant on making armoir that can weather the transfer of energy or the projectile. The projectile has higher transfers of mass if you can accelerate an object of denser material into a target. Thus the densest metals make the best projectiles but they require larger payloads in the projection system for bullets this means bigger bullet casing with more gunpowder and a larger sized bullet. Since lead is one of the heaviest non radioactive.metals you would choose this. For armour however you need alot.more energy relative to the previous equation of blancenbecause its dealing with different considerations mainly fuel use and horsepower of the engines and other stuff; just more stuff in general goes into moving around a denser material tankcfor example. But if you dont care about readjoactivity or its low enough to not be threatening to the user of the fire arm. You could use a heavier metal than lead like for example depleted uranium
So i think Barring the fact that the carriers look wider they are using denser elements. These are most likely elements fromxthe theroetical "magic island of stability" where atoms heavier then the current heaviest element would be stable enough to be practically used. This is because heaviest elements arenusually the most unstable with some so short its in microseconds. Impractical for any uses. Especially for war. Considering they use forerunner tech i wouldnt be surprised if they cpuls make such metals.
To go further into this the reason for this we already have examples of this in our own modern day weapons with depleted urainium ammunition. The use of these rounds is not the radioactivity for a toxic effect nor does it increase the yield of explosions. Instead the primary reason is because urainium is a metal which some people might not know because its usually depicted as a glowing mass and it is very different from what most people think of as metal. But if youve seen actual urainium youll see it is a metallic colour when in regular light and not being in a fission reaction. Urainium is a heavier atom than lead and its used for nuclear reactions because bigger atoms are more likely to break into two smaller atoms but this is mostly irrelevant. What is relevant is density. For the most part elements become more and more dense as they get bigger. Lead is used for most firearms because it is one of the heaviest non radioactive metals. Im sure people have held lead and noted its extreme weight even its the same dimensions as another object made of a different metal. Its why steel is lighter than iron because the carbon is lighter than iron.
Essentially if you want stronger armour for a ship you would use a heavier metal as its density makes it tougher but stuff like titanium can have effects where its lattices of alloys made from it being extremely strong cuz of its structure. But for the most part if you fired some iron or steel or copper ammunition its less likely to penetrate. This is also why radiation lead and other similarly dense metals are able to stop strong radiation. Some radiation like alpha particles are stopped by cardboard and beta particles stop with lighter and less dense metals like aluminum or steel but gamma ones are so strong it ionizes atoms. Including the ones in your dna and cells. And theyre so powerful only dense metals like lead are able to stop them. But if more dense metals existed that werent more radioactive (im not sure but some might exist but for whatever reason lead seems to be the most practical if there is a denser metal.)
But what i theorize is going on here is that the covenant have these elusive elements that we currently havent made yet. Theoretically the periodic table is infinite if we could make the weak force preventing them from escaping having a larger radius of effect before falling off. Our universe just has it set that our current periodic table is for the most part the "complete" table. However there are theorized to be more but the issue is that like i saidnin our world the limit is at what ever our current highest element is because anything bigger is so unstable its lifespan is extremely small in the range of pice seconds and plank seconds. Theyxdont exist in any meaningful way. But a theoretical "magical island of stability"
Actually I belive that the UNSC Forward Unto Dawn was not the only UNSC ship that joined the Fleet of Retribution due the UNSC Aegis Fate being seen on the multiplayer map Sandtrap which is located on the Ark during Halo 3.
Lursu is such a cool looking carrier. One of my favorite Sangheili designs
Interesting thing about the CAS is that, theoretically, both plasma beams on the bottom could fire at the same time because the one in the "head" of CAS carriers has a separate, dedicated reactor. So a CAS can double glass you.
40:24: Halo ships SHOULD be Pokemon. :3 Where’s my crossover, dammit?
Spirit of Fire I choose you!
47:35
what if Ro Barutamee just called the corvet, see that nobody responses and blow the sht off even before getting close to his CSO Crusier?
Wow that breakdown of the banished dreadnaught really puts into perspective how bad the opening to Halo Infinite is…
I really want to see the banished face when they find the eternity and have an entire fleet destroyed in 4 minutes included an infinity ram on one of them of course
Plasma lances are described as long-range weapons in lore, and combat is generally fairly long-range in Halo. 10,000 kilometers is considered extremely close-range and only a couple seconds of flight for a Pelican in space. The games show close-range space combat because it looks really damn cool.
I hope we get some more clarification on the grav impact driver.. as for now my best guesses are that the bow has a grav hammer type effect or that the main weapon on the front is a type of kinetic gravitic weapon. Essentially a MAC with gravitic rounds.
There was once the Forge of Mighty Abundance which was building the super carrier, Hammer of Faith, which both were destroyed by Spartans.
28:55 a grunt set it off
29:20
Still goosebump
The scene from infinite was to dumb
Gotta love the names Havoc, Onslaught, and Revolution for that trio of Swords of Sanghellios carriers
NGL i kinda hope they’re just shorter call signs and the names are actually cooler
Like Revolution is actually known as “Dream of Revolution”
@@ItsButterBean1020 Yeah, that would be cool, kinda like how some human ship names have shortened nicknames too, such as Pillar of Autumn simply being the "Autumn" or the Spirit of Fire being the "Spirit".
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Is it jusrt me, or does it look like there's a sinister skeletal grin moulded into the boww of this ship?
Covenant carriers and other space stations meet the novabomb
Something I realised a bit ago when playing halo 2 was when miranda keyes wanted to chase that carrier out of the city, admiral hood said "negative, I'll vector two heavies for starside intercept" meaning I'm guessing two marathons?
1:42 nope sound about right in mass for a ship that size .
The only issue with the infinity fighting a guardian theory I have, is how the rings fracturing happens DURING the fight with the banished.
Its recorded in a few audio logs and in the cutscene of Atriox and Cortana, she slams the guardian into the ring after Atrix said he beat Chief.
39:00 I think the closest we will get to a halo focused in space combat is the single mission on reach and sins of the prophets oh and the homeworld halo mod
we are the giant's now, can only built 2 Infinity-Class, and can only inhabit 5% of galaxy.
Anyone else notice springtrap at 48:05?
no clue what you're talking about
Now I’m imagining the covenant in mass effect. The reaper’s are running
"... for a species that loves honor, [sangheli] just can't get enough of it."
That killstealing Elite in Halo S2E4 learned that the hard way. Do not disrespect the 1v1.
Lasers as point defence (12:00).
What? Lasers would be terrible as point defence. I can only think that they would be somewhat useful against missile and drones, but against any other type of projectile they would be useless or unreliable; the amount of energy need to deflect a kinetic round would be so inefficient, and melting the projectile won't help much so you would need to vaporise it, but that's unreliable as too big of a projectile mean's too much thermal mass, and too small of a projectile mean's the projectile will radiate the heat faster than it can heat up.
Hell, even after a single fight, the greatest UNSC Ship, the Infinity, was looking for repairs more than more fighting. UNSC Ships were vulnerable. But it did "land" on Requiem afterall... twice.
Putting all that effort into just one ship is just a bad idea.
@@Jaydee8652 2 ship, the eternity was planed too
and they were meant has a noah ark for humanity, so it make sense
The more I learn about the Banished Dreadnoughts, the more it makes sense why the Infinity got destroyed by them
It's really hard to top Covenant ship designs. I don't think there is a more perfect combination of beauty and intimidation in science fiction.
16:06 Well, didn't nerf them enough to make them tap baby, ooorah!
Dam I love this one honestly would love to see a colab between u and installation 0
Bro just released a Banger video
OK but what upgrades did the ascendant justice get. It's hard to find information on those online.
awesome
To me I like the silver nanolaminate plating on Covenant ships, my headcanon is that it denotes a higher power like a Supreme Commander of a fleet, imagine a ship in gold, or bronze even...
P.S: In some angles because of the lighting the Long Night of Solace while in space kinda looks bronze
Yeah Marks back
Really hope they do redesign for the covenant super carrier at least on the one from the silent storm novel the hammer of faith they could make it look different and unique. I to love the halo 2 anniversary assault carrier more its so slick looking and the white hull looks way for special!
Tbf had the Huragok not set Xytans ship off humanity was screwed because while Xytan wanted to focus first on the brutes he was then going to destroy humanity and continue on with the great journey.
Does the covenant have coastal fleets?
ahh purple, not too bright and not too dark.
Actually it was the Banished that destroyed the Guardian at Zeta Halo, using a Precursor weapon called the Divine Hand that they got in the book Halo Outcasts.
Well that is not yet confirmed, although it is very likely. That Dreadnought video did come out before Outcasts though, so I didn't have that info.
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