It’s funny how all muslims that comes on STAGE claims their not Scholars in Islam, But are suddenly Scholars on the Bible. They will argue you down about any subject pertaining to the Bible. but yet they’re not scholars on anything about the Koran.
@@RodneyLockett-o7o i hate when they argue that way. They know what the injeel isnt but dont know what it is. They do circular reasoning by saying the quran is the truth therefore whatever it says must be true instead of just objectively looking for the truth
@ How funny that everyone thinks their religion is perfect. And all others are in error. Psalm 137:9 “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks”
@@MMM-Martin888based scripture it’s a prayer asking for vengeance against Babylon who graped pillaged burned and enslaved Jews. Liars can’t deal with the context. 🤡🤡🤡
The opposite is true Christianity is dying more and more Christians are converting to Islam because they come to realise a human being a creation of God can never be God. Islam make more sense Islam preaches a plain and simple belief in the worship of One God only.
@@farookdinaully8029 ruclips.net/video/6zhgehLttUk/видео.htmlsi=Am7R6TMwqfhkU6AZ You are wrong as these Pakistani Muslim sheikhs prove. More Muslims are leaving Islam today than ever before in history, they are finding they have been lied to since birth to believe in a false prophet taking orders from a counterfeit god pretending to be the God of Abraham whose commands diametrically oppose the Commandments of the God of Abraham,and the one who opposes YHWH is Satan.
robh Many many Christians are converting to Islam in the name of Jesus and Muhammad p.b.u.t Christianity is dying your churches are empty many churches are being sold and turn into mosques.
(53:14) Muslims say that they believe the Quran because they have a "chain of narration." well the Gospel has a chain of narration, too; it just happens to be much shorter than theirs. according to the Quran. so and so said that so and so said that so and so said that so and so said that Muhammad said, x, y, and z. the Bible, on the other hand, goes more like this: Matthew said that Jesus said.... or John said that Jesus said..... or Mark said that Peter said that Jesus said..... or Luke said the Disciples said that Jesus said x, y, and z. so why do they accept _their_ own "chain of narration" but reject _ours?_ i think it's because they're more concerned w/ being right than they are about finding the Truth! Christians seek to validate their theological beliefs; Muslims search frantically for excuses to say Islam isn't false. that said, i hope this man truly is seeking God, and i pray that he does!
Watch Doglogic eat using left hand. Muslims eat with right hand, Satan use left. So who you follow?? Give us one word. Got balls to answer??? we're waiting
Everyone has a book cause Mohammed has a book. Islam is the competition of an already established and expanding Christianity against the new upstart Mohammed. If you are stuck with only a prophet then historically speaking everyone has to be subordinated to that prophet.
Even the American army said that it's difficult dealing with people from the middle east. They even give them a different test if they have to test them.
I think this conversation was a waste of time because the muslim guy doesn't want to learn and understand whatever Avery is trying to explain. He is just blinded from his childhood. 😒😏
he knew this about the bible knew that about the bible, probably major in bible, but then again, he didn't know much about his own religion, keep repeating saying i'm not a scholar this, i'm not a scholar that. typical abdul behavior.
"I don't wanna be rude", "correct me if I'm wrong" x1000 times. He is baiting the whole conversation, needing the writers name's of our Gospel for him to believe it is not fake, but his Quran says the same Injeel mentioned in 620AD is the same exact Gospel we have today. This muslim knows he doesn't want to believe and keeps asking stupid questions just to bait and try causing confusion on purpose. I would never would have had patience GodLogic has with these kinda people😂By God's grace GodLogic is doing a great job tho🔥☝🏾
lol no he didn’t say “ using critical thinking” 😂 Islam forbids that so how can he honestly say that without being open and showing so much circular talk 🤦🏻♀️ 39:49
God word is not THE WORDS in the book. What I mean is if I told Avery that I will give him 1000 dollars next Friday, and Avery tells Sam that I'm going to give him money next week, the words changed, but my word to Avery did not change. Also if I show up Thursday with 500 dollars, I did not keep my word. Similarly, even though mark, Matthew, Luke, and John didn't use the same words the word of God is consistent between them... Get it?
This guy is still dishonest Every time you raise a point about different Korans he just says he can't discuss it because he's not an expert, but then he launches into another attack on the bible.
(45:05) but that's just it, he doesn't have "evidence" for _any_ of his claims! saying, _whatever agrees w/ the Quran is original and anything that doesn't is corruption_ is not an argument of fact; neither is claiming there is an entirely separate Torah and Injeel-completely unknown to all history and tradition; it's ALL just blind conjecture. and that way of thinking perfectly illustrates Islam as a religion-an undefined religion. ask a a similar question to 100 different Muslims, get 100 completely different and/or contradictory answers.
Did allah feared that the writers of the Quran may have purposely misquoted Muhammad knowing he couldn’t read and write, so told him to go to the previous book for confirmation?
He trusts the Injeel because he 'thinks' Allah spoke it. So If we didn't know e.g. who wrote the Happy Birthday song that has been spread abroad and most people know, muslims can say it's from Allah, and allah can just copyright it and claim that he created it just because they said 'Allah said it'. And they call that 'critical thinking'. Wow.
The epic poems _The Iliad, The Odyssey, & Beowulf_ are all older than the Quran, were written in and remain in their original languages, unchanged - not even a letter has been altered; therefore, they *_must be_* from AlLlah! 😮
The whole basis for everything Mohammad claimed was his experience in the cave! Who witnessed that? What.. nobody? You mean everyone just went with it? And as for his wife being a witness? Going by Mohammad's own rules, you need at least four women as witnesses, to make it legitimate? Critically thinking, I'm seeing some problems here.
Muhammad’s authors he declared were not the authors and remember they received information from various people who are unknown and made a collaboration of multiplicity of unknown sources more authentic to Gospel?????
The Muslims must have been handed down a 2nd book named “ Questions to ask a Christians”. They keep asking the same questions over and over again and not accepting the answer even when the answer proven or logically makes sense.
He's quibbling over what counts as divinely inspired, when islam Mohammad claimed anything he forgot was divinely inspired, as was the goat that ate some Quran verses? The lack of self awareness on display is staggering!
His Quran confirms what was there in Muhammad's time. And as he said, we have manuscripts that date 500+ years before the Quran even confirmed it. Even if they say that the oldest manuscript that we have dat to 70 years after the fact. Their Quran confirms what was there 600 years later. And we still have copies of what they had back then. It's not that hard to understand.
The claim that the Bible had been corrupted is just made up of their scholars, even Muhammad didn't say it was corrupted, but because when they got to understand the Bible they see it is different from the claims of the Qur'an when Muhammad says the two aligns... When they also can't find the claim that Muhammad was prophesied by Jesus, they came to think that the Bible was changed, because they can't admit that what they believed in is false...
Just forgetting scripture for now and thinking logically, how do you dismiss a document which is eyewitness testimony which comes 5-30 years after Jesus which is multiply attested to by external and internal sources and trust some a dude who came 650 years later and CLAIMS to have gotten a revelation in some cave where no one witnessed it?? Where is the logic in that??
How is it that the word "deciples" are mentioned in the Qur'an and the word "scribes" when it was in the Injeel and the Qur'an before it got vanquished? leaving the Qur'an to never change, which I prove. Then the Injeel to reappear later showing much contradiction than consistents. Where is the logic in that?
@@Theunknowntruth01 And the Quran has been proven to be changed. If it hadn’t changed, why would Uthman burn all variants? Your own sources show you are slow, ignorant, or both.
@@Theunknowntruth01 Where does sun set? Did it take Allah 6,7, or 8 days to create universe? Seems the claim that Quran came straight from Allah makes him look like a total fool who forgets what he said yesterday!
Yeah the thing about it being written after Jesus means absolutely nothing it it was revealed to Muhammad and he was to go to it for clarification. Muhammad came 600+ years later.
You should ask them what does the word inleel mean ? The good news of salvation. Who came to save the world? Jesus the only saviour of mankind. He is the alpha and the omega,the first and last, the beginning and the end.no other.
For this reason that the Holy Spirit gives strength to stand against the schemes of the enemy. God's eternal promise is the cornerstone of those who love and trust in Him.
A small analogy, Jesus was the teacher and the apostles were the students who took notes of the teacher's teachings, therefore we see his writings according to his notes.
Who's that so unfamiliar unto many? For many have NOT KNOWN HIM? Yet ye know HIM! Who is HIM? Some will say, who are "YOU"? Remember thy shared "i" Am= "YOU"!
There is no distinct letter “J” in the Arabic alphabet. There is no native letter “G” in the Arabic alphabet. The Greek word for "good news" or "gospel" is evangelion. The eu prefix means "good" and angelion means "message." Also, It comes from two Greek words εὖ (well) and ἀγγέλλειν (to announce) and so it effectively means "the bringer of good news". We can trace it by a different route: Old French, evangeliste, from ecclesiastical Latin evangelista, which in turn is from ecclesiastical Ancient Greek εὐαγγελιστής (euangelistes in our latin script) “bringer of good news”.
He's quick to duck from the contradictions from the quran, by saying he is NOT a scholar and can't speak on what is being brought out by Avery. But will give his scholarly opinion about who the Bible writers are..
Jesus is a wonderful savior who requires multiple angles to fully describe Him. As one standing in front of a man will see something different from another person standing at the side or back of the man, their views do not contradict, but complement. Such is why there are 4 gospels, which is necessary to paint a complete picture of Jesus. Mathew portrays Jesus as a king, as evident in recording His genealogy from Abraham to David, proofing His royal lineage. In this gospel Jesus also uniquely stress about the kingdom. Mark shows that Jesus is a slave savior Who had little words but is quick to serve. There is no genealogy as a slave's background is unimportant. Luke once again records genealogy, but goes all the way back to Adam, showing that Jesus is a genuine man, the Son of man. And John, outrightly revealed Jesus as God, and without genealogy, emphasizes the point that God has no beginning or end. With the 4 gospels we see that our savior is kingly yet lowly, human and also divine. What a wonderful person He is!
Saying you dont “believe in Q” is showing you dont understand what Q is. There’s no such thing as believing in Q. Q refers to ANY additional source that accounts for the extra-synoptical information contained within the gospels. It could have been oral tradition, it could have been one document, it could have been many documents; it doesn’t matter. It simply refers to any and all additional sources that the gospel authors used apart from each others’ accounts.
The first Qurans including the original manuscripts were burned by uthman. The oldest Qurans were the ones that were rewritten by uthman to remove the huge amount of discrepancies and contradictions. 😂😂
Nothing was given to Jesus! Period! He brought the message ... the GOOD NEWS! Islam and muslims came in the 7th century and started issuing books and revelation to.... to who??? Jesus was long gone! The books were old already and people had been reading them for a looooong time! So, was Allah suffering from amnesia?
Obviously, yeah, AlLlah was an amnesiac - he didn't even remember the name he told to Abraham and Moses! 😅 How did YHWH become AlLlah after 2 millennia?? 🤓
Hafsah's copy of the Qur'an was burnt by Marrah. Why? Muslims as a rule explain this Hadis (Tradition) as meaning a revision to conform to the language (Quraish) of the original. But we hold that "the difference in the Qur'an reading" does not only refer to this. Why then burn other codices? Others will reason that the burnt scr1pts were really corrupt texts. Who was the judge? They were also in writing! Zaid-ibn-Thabith could just as well have used these in his collection.
The guy assumes that there was a book that was given to Jesus for him to read and he was recite. The New Testament is the stories of what Jesus said and did, it’s not a book of rules and regulations. Jesus spoke and performed miracles in front of many people. He spoke to people in the places of worship, markets, rivers, events etc. he wasn’t going into a cave by himself and coming back saying “God has just told me this verse”.
I'm starting to think that Muhammad literally thought the other prophets were given books since the "Angel" in the cave was trying to make him read a book. Also, Why didn't Allah know that Muhammad couldn't read?
Anything orally given and turns to a book has to be handwritten. Same as Mo mo orally giving his companions the " Qur'an" then when they all recite it together it's a huge mess completely different so uuthman burnt it all and used his version 😂😂😂
Muslims are teach, the quran is literally original including every dot or point. The oldest qurans were written in Aramaic with only 17 different letters, newer ones are written in Arabic with more letters and many reading signs. Even in Arabic there are 22 different qurans today
What was given to Jesus was a message only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel Jesus commanded them and them alone to worship only One God, because they had taken their rabbis as gods besides Almighty God, forbidding the permissable and permitting the forbidden
INJEEL = 4 Gospels given/revealed to Jesus. Refer to Nag Hammadi Library (Gnostic Christians). NOT a competition. No-one wins. Nor defeated in the search for knowledge.
Muhammad had four companions and he specifically gave orders for them to write down the Quran. None of them were you in fact they were persecuted and they had different.
Injil is referring to the Good News which is neither a revelation given to Jesus or a book given to Him. The Good News is what Jesus did,by reconciling mankind back to God through His atoning sacrificial death and resurrection. This Good News was then taken by word of mouth out of Judea and beyond before it was ever written down. Christisns today are still preaching this same Good News, nothing has changed, because the Good News has never changed Muslims get wrong what the injil is because Allah gets its wrong,and Allah gets it wrong because Allah is not the God of Abraham,but a counterfeit god pretending to be the God of Abraham whose commands diametrically oppose the commandments of the God of Abraham,and the one who opposes YHWH is Satan. Muslims continue to remain victims of this spiritual deception to this day, trusting their salvation in a lie.
Muslims insist that the Injeel is not the gospel, and yet they can’t produce the Injeel. Mohammad was instructed that if he has doubts, he should approach those who hold the Injeel, the christians, and ask them to explain what the content mean. That means, the muslims never had the Injeel but the christians have them. Muslims will lie their way out of this dilemma because the gospel contradicts the quran. The dilemma is that they were commanded by their allah to follow the Torah and the Injeel as light, instruction and guidance for the righteous. Without the Torah and the gospel, they will never be righteous. They trust the “Injeel” that they don’t have and nobody has seen. 😂😂😂
i dont know anything really but im desperately trying to sound like i can critique the bible and i heard this and that and i cant defend the Quran either because im not a scholar lol - 99% All Muslims
The truth is these people are Ishmaelites they were not given the promise or covenant is says that in the Bible which they reject and say is corrupted so you can try to give these people the truth and all they will do is reject it so do yourself a favor and spread the gospel to the true people of God
Not this again! I pray that man comes to a knowledge of the truth, and believes on Jesus Christ (God who was manifest in the flesh) for salvation. 2 Timothy 3 Perilous Times and Perilous Men 1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
The theory of disassociation. If you have four people from different perspectives speaking the same word for word narrative it would considered collaborated. But theory of disassociation is when their are same narratives but different views for example a person sees a person in a maroon sweater as he enter the light but another person who didn’t see the person in the light but saw the person just as the person when by a dimmer light said it seem dark reddish sweater we can summize the person seen wear a maroon or dark red sweater! Which shows more authenticity.
It’s funny how all muslims that comes on STAGE claims their not Scholars in Islam, But are suddenly Scholars on the Bible. They will argue you down about any subject pertaining to the Bible. but yet they’re not scholars on anything about the Koran.
@@RodneyLockett-o7o i hate when they argue that way. They know what the injeel isnt but dont know what it is. They do circular reasoning by saying the quran is the truth therefore whatever it says must be true instead of just objectively looking for the truth
@ How funny that everyone thinks their religion is perfect. And all others are in error. Psalm 137:9 “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks”
@@MMM-Martin888Not prescriptive.
@@MMM-Martin888based scripture it’s a prayer asking for vengeance against Babylon who graped pillaged burned and enslaved Jews. Liars can’t deal with the context. 🤡🤡🤡
He really cant see his hypocrisy through his feigned humility😣
God bless Godlogic. A lot more Muslims will convert to Christians in Jesus name.
The opposite is true Christianity is dying more and more Christians are converting to Islam because they come to realise a human being a creation of God can never be God. Islam make more sense Islam preaches a plain and simple belief in the worship of One God only.
@@farookdinaully8029
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You are wrong as these Pakistani Muslim sheikhs prove.
More Muslims are leaving Islam today than ever before in history, they are finding they have been lied to since birth to believe in a false prophet taking orders from a counterfeit god pretending to be the God of Abraham whose commands diametrically oppose the Commandments of the God of Abraham,and the one who opposes YHWH is Satan.
robh
Many many Christians are converting to Islam in the name of Jesus and Muhammad p.b.u.t
Christianity is dying your churches are empty many churches are being sold and turn into mosques.
(53:14) Muslims say that they believe the Quran because they have a "chain of narration." well the Gospel has a chain of narration, too; it just happens to be much shorter than theirs. according to the Quran. so and so said that so and so said that so and so said that so and so said that Muhammad said, x, y, and z. the Bible, on the other hand, goes more like this: Matthew said that Jesus said.... or John said that Jesus said..... or Mark said that Peter said that Jesus said..... or Luke said the Disciples said that Jesus said x, y, and z. so why do they accept _their_ own "chain of narration" but reject _ours?_ i think it's because they're more concerned w/ being right than they are about finding the Truth! Christians seek to validate their theological beliefs; Muslims search frantically for excuses to say Islam isn't false. that said, i hope this man truly is seeking God, and i pray that he does!
This young man is not debating in earnest and seems very deceptive. He sees the problem but can’t accept it. Prayers for him and those like him.
Big up SheikLogic 😃👍🏾💯
Why do Muslims believe everyone got a book?
Nothing was given to Jesus, he is God with perfect knowledge of what he came to do.
Watch Doglogic eat using left hand.
Muslims eat with right hand, Satan use left.
So who you follow?? Give us one word.
Got balls to answer??? we're waiting
Cause that's what they believe
Everyone has a book cause Mohammed has a book. Islam is the competition of an already established and expanding Christianity against the new upstart Mohammed. If you are stuck with only a prophet then historically speaking everyone has to be subordinated to that prophet.
Even the American army said that it's difficult dealing with people from the middle east. They even give them a different test if they have to test them.
I think this conversation was a waste of time because the muslim guy doesn't want to learn and understand whatever Avery is trying to explain. He is just blinded from his childhood. 😒😏
Satan taken them away from the truth,,,
Props to Avery for his patient talking to these nonsense muslims just to plant curiosity about their Cult religion
The caller sounds like a child literally.. 15 tops, is my guess.
he knew this about the bible knew that about the bible, probably major in bible, but then again, he didn't know much about his own religion, keep repeating saying i'm not a scholar this, i'm not a scholar that. typical abdul behavior.
Every Muslim is the same
"I don't wanna be rude", "correct me if I'm wrong" x1000 times. He is baiting the whole conversation, needing the writers name's of our Gospel for him to believe it is not fake, but his Quran says the same Injeel mentioned in 620AD is the same exact Gospel we have today. This muslim knows he doesn't want to believe and keeps asking stupid questions just to bait and try causing confusion on purpose. I would never would have had patience GodLogic has with these kinda people😂By God's grace GodLogic is doing a great job tho🔥☝🏾
lol no he didn’t say “ using critical thinking” 😂 Islam forbids that so how can he honestly say that without being open and showing so much circular talk 🤦🏻♀️ 39:49
Illustration: if you don't know what a catalytic converter is, how can you say that I'm not using a catalytic converter to write this comment 😂
Perfect illustration... GBY
This muslim guy is so confused. My head hurts listening to him
I got angry. God Logic wasvtoo patient with him
No not confused but rather demon possessed and bewitched just like |>3D0 prophet Momo was demon possessed and bewitched
100% truee😂
Godlogic you are a DR. My brother
A fisher of man
The title of this debate is bang on. Good job Avery 👍
God word is not THE WORDS in the book. What I mean is if I told Avery that I will give him 1000 dollars next Friday, and Avery tells Sam that I'm going to give him money next week, the words changed, but my word to Avery did not change. Also if I show up Thursday with 500 dollars, I did not keep my word. Similarly, even though mark, Matthew, Luke, and John didn't use the same words the word of God is consistent between them... Get it?
I wish Bart Erhman would take time to consider Islamic scripts
Bart is scared of being killed
He would rather lie about christianity because we wont bother him.
This guy is still dishonest
Every time you raise a point about different Korans he just says he can't discuss it because he's not an expert, but then he launches into another attack on the bible.
(45:05) but that's just it, he doesn't have "evidence" for _any_ of his claims! saying, _whatever agrees w/ the Quran is original and anything that doesn't is corruption_ is not an argument of fact; neither is claiming there is an entirely separate Torah and Injeel-completely unknown to all history and tradition; it's ALL just blind conjecture. and that way of thinking perfectly illustrates Islam as a religion-an undefined religion. ask a a similar question to 100 different Muslims, get 100 completely different and/or contradictory answers.
I CORRECT YOU ABDUL, YOU ARE WRONG LIKE YOUR FATHER MO
Did allah feared that the writers of the Quran may have purposely misquoted Muhammad knowing he couldn’t read and write, so told him to go to the previous book for confirmation?
He trusts the Injeel because he 'thinks' Allah spoke it. So If we didn't know e.g. who wrote the Happy Birthday song that has been spread abroad and most people know, muslims can say it's from Allah, and allah can just copyright it and claim that he created it just because they said 'Allah said it'. And they call that 'critical thinking'. Wow.
The epic poems _The Iliad, The Odyssey, & Beowulf_ are all older than the Quran, were written in and remain in their original languages, unchanged - not even a letter has been altered; therefore, they *_must be_* from AlLlah! 😮
Came with sincere conversations given just for thee and thy shared Feet as THY LORD FEET.
The whole basis for everything Mohammad claimed was his experience in the cave! Who witnessed that? What.. nobody? You mean everyone just went with it? And as for his wife being a witness? Going by Mohammad's own rules, you need at least four women as witnesses, to make it legitimate?
Critically thinking, I'm seeing some problems here.
It's a dang good thing Muhammad didn't start his Message with, "Correct me if I'm wrong, but..."
Muhammad’s authors he declared were not the authors and remember they received information from various people who are unknown and made a collaboration of multiplicity of unknown sources more authentic to Gospel?????
If Jesus had the injeel revealed, He then taught from it, the disciples recorded that message, we call it The New Testament 👀 i agree
Jesus did not have the book. The New Testament was written after He had ascended to heaven.
The only books Jesus had to teach FROM were the Hebrew scriptures.
What you (Avery)said makes sense but as per me it's different which means I don't consider sense personally 😜
The Muslims must have been handed down a 2nd book named “ Questions to ask a Christians”.
They keep asking the same questions over and over again and not accepting the answer even when the answer proven or logically makes sense.
Shaki logic ❤❤❤❤amazing 👏
😂, but in the cave there were no witnesses 😅
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone in the world uses the phrase "Correct me if I'm wrong" lol 😂😂😂 Give it a break PLEASE 😜😜😜
yes Avery hasn't come of age
Thats all you could come up with?😂😂😂
@@fivenightsatfreddys9369u have a Bear as your photo..relax mr maturity😂😂
The only thing correct about your statement is 'I don't think'!
This boy is a Bert heman student
The way abdool speaks, he clearly represents that Allah is a different god. By that representation, Allah thought of himself the best of creatorS.
Feet resting upon 3 commands resting upon GRACE!
He's quibbling over what counts as divinely inspired, when islam Mohammad claimed anything he forgot was divinely inspired, as was the goat that ate some Quran verses? The lack of self awareness on display is staggering!
Should’ve left the Subtitles out. ALLLL THEY Do is mislead. It kept calling The “Koran”…the Crown.👑
His Quran confirms what was there in Muhammad's time. And as he said, we have manuscripts that date 500+ years before the Quran even confirmed it. Even if they say that the oldest manuscript that we have dat to 70 years after the fact. Their Quran confirms what was there 600 years later. And we still have copies of what they had back then. It's not that hard to understand.
The claim that the Bible had been corrupted is just made up of their scholars, even Muhammad didn't say it was corrupted, but because when they got to understand the Bible they see it is different from the claims of the Qur'an when Muhammad says the two aligns... When they also can't find the claim that Muhammad was prophesied by Jesus, they came to think that the Bible was changed, because they can't admit that what they believed in is false...
But unto all fed! Be awake!
Correct me if I am wrong He must said it about hundreds of times and he said i am not a scoler
Abdool: “Correct me if I’m wrong…”
Me while watching: “You’ve been wrong so many times already” 😒
Correct me if I'm wrong, but... Kyce is rather disingenuous and not as bright as he thinks he is. I'm just using critical thinking here... 😉
@ disingenuous is a part of the abdool M.O
Shared "i" Am come forth!
Just forgetting scripture for now and thinking logically, how do you dismiss a document which is eyewitness testimony which comes 5-30 years after Jesus which is multiply attested to by external and internal sources and trust some a dude who came 650 years later and CLAIMS to have gotten a revelation in some cave where no one witnessed it?? Where is the logic in that??
How is it that the word "deciples" are mentioned in the Qur'an and the word "scribes" when it was in the Injeel and the Qur'an before it got vanquished? leaving the Qur'an to never change, which I prove. Then the Injeel to reappear later showing much contradiction than consistents.
Where is the logic in that?
@@Theunknowntruth01
Which contradictions have you made any attempt to see if they can be reconciled? Is the answer not one?
@@Theunknowntruth01
And the Quran has been proven to be changed. If it hadn’t changed, why would Uthman burn all variants? Your own sources show you are slow, ignorant, or both.
@@cainblue448
There are 1000s of contradictions
@@Theunknowntruth01 Where does sun set? Did it take Allah 6,7, or 8 days to create universe? Seems the claim that Quran came straight from Allah makes him look like a total fool who forgets what he said yesterday!
Yeah the thing about it being written after Jesus means absolutely nothing it it was revealed to Muhammad and he was to go to it for clarification. Muhammad came 600+ years later.
You should ask them what does the word inleel mean ? The good news of salvation. Who came to save the world? Jesus the only saviour of mankind. He is the alpha and the omega,the first and last, the beginning and the end.no other.
For the 1st and 2nd commands
Jesus Christ was not given any book Jesus Christ himself is the good news which is the injeel
Abdool: I am not a scholar.
Abdool: Correct me if I am wrong.
Me: You are wrong because you are not a scholar😅
For this reason that the Holy Spirit gives strength to stand against the schemes of the enemy. God's eternal promise is the cornerstone of those who love and trust in Him.
Is like a little child "i" longing to learn. What is a TEACHER? Nor where being a TEACHER came from?
A small analogy, Jesus was the teacher and the apostles were the students who took notes of the teacher's teachings, therefore we see his writings according to his notes.
Some will say, who is that talking? Hovering!
Every you're too patients with this abdool
All of us need patience with the muslims, which unfortunately not all of us have.
Students shared "i" Am will say, many teachers came in front of HIM!
Kyce has veiled spiritual eyes, but he did well. Godlogic, you were great. May Jesus open Kyce’s eyes to the truth!
Jesus was not only given the Injeel by God , he was taught The True Torah and blessed with wisdom to judge over it
Who's that so unfamiliar unto many? For many have NOT KNOWN HIM? Yet ye know HIM! Who is HIM? Some will say, who are "YOU"? Remember thy shared "i" Am= "YOU"!
Wow....that was a long ride. I pray for this misguided Muslim brother.
Remember
Basically he just needs to answer the question how Gabriel speaks to Allah if Allah has no form - he’s divinely inspired- the end
The wonderful councilor will say, who can interpret therein in?
There is no distinct letter “J” in the Arabic alphabet. There is no native letter “G” in the Arabic alphabet. The Greek word for "good news" or "gospel" is evangelion. The eu prefix means "good" and angelion means "message." Also, It comes from two Greek words εὖ (well) and ἀγγέλλειν (to announce) and so it effectively means "the bringer of good news".
We can trace it by a different route: Old French, evangeliste, from ecclesiastical Latin evangelista, which in turn is from ecclesiastical Ancient Greek εὐαγγελιστής (euangelistes in our latin script) “bringer of good news”.
Jesus is the New Testament
"When what we think contradicts the Qur'an, we take our brain out of the sight" 😂😂😂
Some will say, who is that? Little child born "i" holding a BASKET of BREAD and a FISH?
I can almost swear on it even the scholars say they're not scholars when getting cooked
He's quick to duck from the contradictions from the quran, by saying he is NOT a scholar and can't speak on what is being brought out by Avery. But will give his scholarly opinion about who the Bible writers are..
Jesus is a wonderful savior who requires multiple angles to fully describe Him. As one standing in front of a man will see something different from another person standing at the side or back of the man, their views do not contradict, but complement. Such is why there are 4 gospels, which is necessary to paint a complete picture of Jesus.
Mathew portrays Jesus as a king, as evident in recording His genealogy from Abraham to David, proofing His royal lineage. In this gospel Jesus also uniquely stress about the kingdom. Mark shows that Jesus is a slave savior
Who had little words but is quick to serve. There is no genealogy as a slave's background is unimportant. Luke once again records genealogy, but goes all the way back to Adam, showing that Jesus is a genuine man, the Son of man. And John, outrightly revealed Jesus as God, and without genealogy, emphasizes the point that God has no beginning or end. With the 4 gospels we see that our savior is kingly yet lowly, human and also divine. What a wonderful person He is!
Saying you dont “believe in Q” is showing you dont understand what Q is. There’s no such thing as believing in Q. Q refers to ANY additional source that accounts for the extra-synoptical information contained within the gospels. It could have been oral tradition, it could have been one document, it could have been many documents; it doesn’t matter. It simply refers to any and all additional sources that the gospel authors used apart from each others’ accounts.
The oldest Quran is hundreds of years after Mohammed.
The first Qurans including the original manuscripts were burned by uthman. The oldest Qurans were the ones that were rewritten by uthman to remove the huge amount of discrepancies and contradictions. 😂😂
These people are using their weaknesses to attack Christianity! Everything they are asking Christianity can’t answer! Madness!
@@norab2125 exactly
Nothing was given to Jesus! Period! He brought the message ... the GOOD NEWS! Islam and muslims came in the 7th century and started issuing books and revelation to.... to who??? Jesus was long gone! The books were old already and people had been reading them for a looooong time! So, was Allah suffering from amnesia?
Obviously, yeah, AlLlah was an amnesiac - he didn't even remember the name he told to Abraham and Moses! 😅 How did YHWH become AlLlah after 2 millennia?? 🤓
Good effort but the end seems written off like a car crash
What is the 3rd command?
24:26 thats its why it was God Breathed... The bible is God breathed.. means He gave life through the words that the authors wrote...
Hafsah's copy of the Qur'an was burnt by Marrah. Why? Muslims as a rule explain this Hadis (Tradition) as meaning a revision to conform to the language (Quraish) of the original. But we hold that "the difference in the Qur'an reading" does not only refer to this. Why then burn other codices? Others will reason that the burnt scr1pts were really corrupt texts. Who was the judge? They were also in writing! Zaid-ibn-Thabith could just as well have used these in his collection.
The guy assumes that there was a book that was given to Jesus for him to read and he was recite. The New Testament is the stories of what Jesus said and did, it’s not a book of rules and regulations. Jesus spoke and performed miracles in front of many people. He spoke to people in the places of worship, markets, rivers, events etc. he wasn’t going into a cave by himself and coming back saying “God has just told me this verse”.
Given orally as Muslims say but this guy said it wasn't addressed so either way Christianity has the injeel he spoke it they wrote it
Logic, this guy is silly… it’s like talking to a preschooler
I'm starting to think that Muhammad literally thought the other prophets were given books since the "Angel" in the cave was trying to make him read a book.
Also, Why didn't Allah know that Muhammad couldn't read?
Likewise where else all name nor names came from?
All the writings of Muhammad’s ways and life were written down by more than 4 followers, how can this be ignored?
Anything orally given and turns to a book has to be handwritten.
Same as Mo mo orally giving his companions the " Qur'an" then when they all recite it together it's a huge mess completely different so uuthman burnt it all and used his version 😂😂😂
25:20 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bring all shared Feet in front!
Why did Jesus constantly say about His Disciples..." Men of little Faith".
If you read the Bible you'll know
The question is, what is the injeel. Beyond it being a revelation what was it. What for it teach. Tell me something that the Muslims injeel says
You don't have it and evidently you don't understand what it is, it's the Gospel.
Muslims are teach, the quran is literally original including every dot or point.
The oldest qurans were written in Aramaic with only 17 different letters, newer ones are written in Arabic with more letters and many reading signs. Even in Arabic there are 22 different qurans today
Why is this abdool in debate who does not know the Quran , Hadiths and the Bible?
Remember knows belongs?
What was given to Jesus was a message only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel
Jesus commanded them and them alone to worship only One God, because they had taken their rabbis as gods besides Almighty God, forbidding the permissable and permitting the forbidden
Then why did Jesus specifically send Paul out to preach to the gentiles?
INJEEL = 4 Gospels given/revealed to Jesus. Refer to Nag Hammadi Library (Gnostic Christians). NOT a competition. No-one wins. Nor defeated in the search for knowledge.
Muhammad had four companions and he specifically gave orders for them to write down the Quran. None of them were you in fact they were persecuted and they had different.
Don't say anything about Muhammad SAW if you don't provide proof.
Injil is referring to the Good News which is neither a revelation given to Jesus or a book given to Him.
The Good News is what Jesus did,by reconciling mankind back to God through His atoning sacrificial death and resurrection.
This Good News was then taken by word of mouth out of Judea and beyond before it was ever written down.
Christisns today are still preaching this same Good News, nothing has changed, because the Good News has never changed
Muslims get wrong what the injil is because Allah gets its wrong,and Allah gets it wrong because Allah is not the God of Abraham,but a counterfeit god pretending to be the God of Abraham whose commands diametrically oppose the commandments of the God of Abraham,and the one who opposes YHWH is Satan.
Muslims continue to remain victims of this spiritual deception to this day, trusting their salvation in a lie.
Muslims insist that the Injeel is not the gospel, and yet they can’t produce the Injeel. Mohammad was instructed that if he has doubts, he should approach those who hold the Injeel, the christians, and ask them to explain what the content mean. That means, the muslims never had the Injeel but the christians have them. Muslims will lie their way out of this dilemma because the gospel contradicts the quran. The dilemma is that they were commanded by their allah to follow the Torah and the Injeel as light, instruction and guidance for the righteous. Without the Torah and the gospel, they will never be righteous.
They trust the “Injeel” that they don’t have and nobody has seen. 😂😂😂
DiaLects had nothing to do with it pronunciation of the word
i dont know anything really but im desperately trying to sound like i can critique the bible and i heard this and that and i cant defend the Quran either because im not a scholar lol - 99% All Muslims
The truth is these people are Ishmaelites they were not given the promise or covenant is says that in the Bible which they reject and say is corrupted so you can try to give these people the truth and all they will do is reject it so do yourself a favor and spread the gospel to the true people of God
As much as this Abdool does (refer my last comment lol)
Enoch
Not this again! I pray that man comes to a knowledge of the truth, and believes on Jesus Christ (God who was manifest in the flesh) for salvation.
2 Timothy 3
Perilous Times and Perilous Men
1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
The theory of disassociation. If you have four people from different perspectives speaking the same word for word narrative it would considered collaborated. But theory of disassociation is when their are same narratives but different views for example a person sees a person in a maroon sweater as he enter the light but another person who didn’t see the person in the light but saw the person just as the person when by a dimmer light said it seem dark reddish sweater we can summize the person seen wear a maroon or dark red sweater! Which shows more authenticity.