Elrond: We do not speak the name of Sauron in these lands master baggins Frodo: Oh is his name really that evil? Elrond: No it's just that he's Galadriel's ex so we try to avoid mentioning him by name.
I’m at a point right now where im not sure if I’ve either I’ve fallen into a deep spiral of conspiracies or if every piece of entertainment always has to be bombarded with woke ideologies. It’s always there in some shape or form. It’s not about telling a story anymore it’s about check boxes and marketing. Aka money grabbing. From anything to gaming to cinema to music it’s there. It’s gotta go because idk how much more i can handle before I’ll blow a gasket. I just want to relax i dont want all this crap getting in tbe way whamens strong we got it the first 100 times we can move on now!!
@@Ihavehadmanynames7779 no shit. So where's the native American elf, huh? Huh?? And if you include one, do you dress him in traditional garb and get vilified for the stereotype? Or not dress him like that and be accused of disrespecting their culture. You can't win.
I gotta say props to Joe for learning to let Alex and OJ talk more while still keeping his own rants going. It’s a much better balance, so good on you, Joe
There is an argument that some of the events might not be happening at the same time, so there might already be rings at that point. Not that it would fix that situation. Also its probably one of those theories that are more clever than the show is..
I loved seeing Alex smirk when Joe would start screaming about an aspect of the show. At this point, Alex doesn't have the willpower or desire to complain about the show anymore, but he clearly appreciates that Joes still has the energy to do it.
"That's what the Rings of Power of Amazon is, the Rings are the number of zeros they wrote to Tolkien's estate to piss on it". That's gotta be the most savage line I've ever heard, holy shit Alex. That's rage in a single sentence from a man that's seen one of his favorite IP's destroyed.
at least ASOIAF fans had 4 great seasons to watch. though those same fans had no idea that the HBO adaptation meant the book series will never be finished since the author is high off his farts and living life on easy mode with HBO money
This is the most trope-filled movie/show I've seen in a long while. Of course all movies/shows use tropes but in Rings of Power, it seems every scene is set up to use an overused trope, whether it's the Miscommunication Trope, Death Fakeout Trope, Bait and Switch Trope, Mystery Box Trope, etc. That's why this show is so predictable, I recognize the trope immediately and watch it play out very slowly already knowing how the trope ends.
@@aSSGoblin1488 George probably just can’t write an ending. He’s still making other stuff that he doesn’t have to commit decades too because he probably only has 15 years left to live realistically
Rando dude who turns out to be Sauron tells the greatest elven smith in middle earth: "Hey, you know you can mix two metals together?" Wow. Sheer genius. This is like me telling a world class chef about the wonders of mustard and ketchup on a hot dog.
The most disappointing thing about this version of Galadriel is that she is written to always be right, and in doing so lacks any shred of humility. This Galadriel would not have hesitated to take the ring from Frodo. Why wouldn't she? Everything she does is right and no one knows better than she does.
Because is a female lead character, they have to make sure she’s always right, better than anyone else. Bad “female energy “ forcing female characters on people, to always be much better.. just like Rey from Star Wars.
@@GGA007Gaming bro it’s absolutely Gandalf, the fact he hangs out with hobbits, loves talking to moths, and says one of his iconic lines “always follow your nose” there’s no denying it now
@@Brohl1337 I mean It could but stuff like this when they say we are spreading misinformation make them right. This show is so bad the last thing I wanna see is them be right.
It wasn't Saurons plan to run into Galadriel on the ocean. It was even worse writing than that. Saurons plan was to go somewhere away from it all and live in peace. Thats why he wanted to stay in Numenor and smith weapons. Thats why he was so reluctant to go with Galadriel to middle earth. Thats why he didn't want to beat up the Numenorians that were messing with him and why he told Galadriel "I have found peace here, for both of our sakes, let me keep it". Their Sauron plot was basically Sauron got betrayed by Adar so he was like, you know what, screw this, I don't want to be evil and control everything anymore, I just wanna go live a normal life as a normal person far away from middle earth. Even after Galadriel found out he's Sauron he still didn't want to be evil anymore, he just wanted to marry Galadriel and help everyone but Galadriel was like nah fuck that I hate you so now Sauron is like, oh yea well screw you too I will just go be evil again! So basically Sauron turns into an incel. Thats their billion dollar plot. lmfao
Yes, that's how it came across to me too... Sauron just wanted peace and to make amends for his past but Galadriel pushes him into being evil again. Basically, everything is Galadriel's fault. 🤦♂
The main problem about this bs is Sauron wanting to live in peace. 💀 Sauron... servant of Morgoth, The dark lord who is feared by everyone even in his weakest form... wanting peace. 💀
@@Great_White21 I can see that only because of how long he's lived, dude's been around so long I could definitely see him shift eventually, it's the fact that all it takes to shift him right back to evil is being rejected that's insanely stupid.
I think I know where the writers got this entire show from. There was that one scene where Frodo offers the Ring to Galadriel and she’s all like, “In place of a Dark Lord, you would have a queen!” And the writers saw this, and they thought about it for a few seconds, and they decided they needed 1 billion dollars to make Sauron propose to Galadriel.
Not sure if you're joking, but you might be on to something. I rewatched the film and saw flashes (or attempts) of the new Galadriel. The passion and intensity when she is declaring her intentions for the ring seems to be the chords they were trying to strike with her characterization in the series. The problem is (aside from literally everything else) the actress was not capable of delivering such a performance. She was expressionless, looked constipated, stiff, and worst of all, boring.
They definitely playing fast and loose with the timeline. The "meteor men" did not arrive until a thousand years later. But the more I read the dumb AF statements put out by the show runners ...? It makes sense in a weird way. Peter Jackson was dragged 2 decades ago for making changes to accommodate film & time. The people who were not fans of that were labeled "Tolkienistas" 😄 I think our currently woke showrunners, literally won the pitch campaign (which, they *were* up against a ton of competition) because they sold the idea of RoP "not being for those fans" 😳 So? You decided to alienate your core fan base in the pursuit of being seen as the woke geniuses of this century? 🤔🤣 I'm not a hardcore Tolkien fan, but my kid and my dad are ...idc if you cast black actors as hobbits (but sorry they just REALLY cannot be elves. Why? Because they are literally derived from Norse mythology, lol). Someone please cast me (in all my paleness) as Viola Davis in Woman King and watch how fast the hypocrisy flows forth. 🤣🤣🤣 RoP tried to rip one minute out of a multi millennia saga and force feed their audience a bunch of fkng nonsense. My advice? Keep the comments turned off because clearly Amazon is in no mood for the truth. Easier just to call everyone racist 🤦♀️
When the show creators said in an interview, "We are trying to make the novel that Tolkien never wrote." They weren’t lying. Tolkien would never write something this stupid.
Oh I bet, it just couldn’t be worse! Suspicious that ur here tho, thinking and writing about it. 12 episodes in and you’ve decided you can’t fkn stand it. But haven’t moved on. Haven’t found a new show. You hate it so much that it occupies ur time and waking mind! I’d bet my entire savings account that there’s tons of u crybabies, miserable wrecks, and raging defenders of the purity of the almighty Tolkien, creator of Earth & heaven…that are afraid of something, lack a backbone or whatever it is and will never admit that the reason you never miss episodes & talk about them hours and hours a day is because you like them. There’s no other rational explanation. Words are nothing…actions speak volumes…and ur still here, and you’ll still be here when the season 5 finale airs. What a mess…I’ve never hid my personality or views cuz my only friends are bullies I fear or due to bring a cowardly pssy that the most gentle breeze blows right over. Unreal that ppl refuse to leave their misery and toxicity and choose happiness
The writers admitted in one of their interviews that the only reason they got the job was because they were friends with JJ Abrams and he called Amazon on their behalf. Not surprising given how the story was written ameturish and full of mystery boxes.
When Sauron said Where is galadriel? Is she safe? Is she all right? Then Morgoth said It seems in your anger... you killed her. Then Sauron said I... I couldn't have! She was alive; I felt it... I... Nooooooo! I literally cried
Dont forget the part where Gil Galad says to Elrond to join the dark side of force and Elrond replies with: "You failed your highness, I will never join the dark side ... Im a Jedi, like my father before me". Literally chills, so touching.
On the Third Age. Before Aragorn made the last stand with Sauron's army. The burning eye looked at Aragorn and said. "Aragorn, I am going to be your great grandfather in law" "What. How." asked Aragorn. Sauron responded "Arwen's mother is my secret dauther I have with Galadriel" Aragorn shouted pespair, "Noooooooooooooooooo."
I loved the part where Galadriel Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way Targaryen said, "We have the mightiest armies in all of middle earth! What do you have that could defeat us?" Sauron just cracked his neck and said, "Magic, Mutherf*cker." Then Frodo said, "Crap. we're gonna need a bigger ring." so Gandalf told the Ents "run forrest run!" Then Don Lemonlas said, "We Haz RANGS!" while wearing T-shirt that read, "Ask Me About My Translucent Agenda." All Game of Thrones scholars agree that the scene where Rhaenyra whispers in Celeborn's ear “I hate pee on the toilet seat when I go to use it.” and then disconnects the machine that keeps him alive, perfectly delivered George JRR Martin's message of hope and healing for all wahmankind. Then Galadriel jumped into the ocean with Dory and started singing, "Just keep swimming." I have to admit, I did not like the part where the authot race swapped the ents. Ents are clearly White Birch, but those ents were OAK. Remember, Arboreal Pollen is Tree ejaculation, so the Ent orgy counts as interracial and should have the appropriate tags. I loved the part where Ursula said “Ahh, so you think darkness is your ally? But you merely adopted the dark; I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already an octopus, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!” Then She-Hulk said, "You either die a Hero or live long enough to see yourself become the Crustacean." And then Halbrand said, "YEW TUKE ARR JERBS!" and Kicked a Harfoot into a well while shouting, "THIS. IS. NUMENOR." But Then Ursula Replied, "I am INEVITABLE!!!" only for Ariel to impale her with the boat while saying, "And I am all the Jedi! ... On a Boat." I laughed, I cried, I kissed 18 bucks goodbye. 10/10 Would edge to it again. Much Stunning. Much Bravery.
every LOTR elf is in such a hurry in this show YOU CAN HAVE 3 WEEKS yall are elves bro, you aint going to lose your divinity and connection to the land in 3 weeks
Yeah I know what you mean right here. It's like there's no attentionspan, and at the same time a sort of time-is-SLOOOW sensation. Like if bored and you notice it's only been 5 minutes and you have 7 more hours of work to do.
I’d rather see a documentary about how that happened than this show. There’s got to be some serious money laundering going on cause the $ is certainly not on the screen.
I liked Alex's comment from the last show, basically he said the writing on RoP was like blowing up the statue of David to make ten thousand little marble buttplugs. Any enjoyment you might get from your buttplug would be immediately nullified when you realised what had been destroyed to create it.
It does not match with the situation at all though. Nothing has been destroyed. All the books and lore still exist. It would probably be more accurate to say someone less talented created a disfigured copy of the Statue and put it right next to the original.
Except not a single thing has been destroyed to create it. So his analogy makes zero sense. But since this is the comments section of youtube I suspect just brainless agreement with anything they say just because they are hating on something you want to hate on also.
The Mystery Box Trope is a plague and it needs to die. If you want the audience to enjoy the plot, you have to let them follow the plot. Reveal the character's goal and show the step by step progress towards that goal. The problem is I didn't know they were gonna use the trenches to explode the volcano. So all those episodes they spent building the trenches, I wasn't following anything, because I didn't know what it was for and how it's connected to Adar's goal which I also didn't know what it was.
For anyone wondering... The idea of the Elven Rings is that they would have the power to heal and preserve. The one of Galadriel would have the power to literally stop time in an area, and that's why Lothlorien were she lived was always beautiful and didn't seem to age. The one of Elrond would have the power to heal any wound, and that's why it could heal Frodo from the wound with the Morgul blade, although it couldn't totally cure a wound made with that kind of evil magic. The third Ring was the fire ring, and supossedly should belong to an elve called Cirdan, the Shipwright, who lately would give it to Gandalf when he arrived to the Grey Havens. It had the power to fill the hearts of people with fire, making them do heroic things, wich Gandalf used several times during The War of the Ring for the defense against Sauron. But Alex is right, the Elves wouldn't use their rings until after Sauron's defeat. The moment he created the One Ring and he put it on his finger, they sense it and knew what was happening, so they took them off and wouldn't use them until after he was defeated on the battle of the Last Alliance. If not... they would be controlled by it like it happened with the Nine rings of Men.
“Do you remember the Peter Jackson LOTR trilogy, Mr Joe? It’ll be the 20th anniversary soon. And the fanbase will cheer. And we’ll remember seeing those characters created by a visionary genius all those years ago represented as well as they possibly could have been. And the battle scenes that defined a generation of cinema will still stand up to scrutiny and be as impressive now as they were in the early 2000s. And the writing quality of one of the most dramatic and powerful stories in the history of fiction will still be as resonant because of the love and care Jackson put into those films to the best of his ability… and the good, good writing will just shine from every part of the script from the plot to the characters to the overall themes of the story… Do you remember the feeling of good writing, Mr Joe?”
Simon Tolkien has always been jealous of what his grandfather and father were able to accomplish. He's trying to collaborate with Barad-dur here to reach those highs but it obviously fails completely.
@@thumos The fact that he's a consultant for this show speaks volumes about his character. That dude does not give a fuck what happens to the lore. He only cares about the amount of zeros that are on the pay cheque he's getting.
I disagree with Joe politically 100%. That being irrelevant and said, I'm surprised he hates it. It makes my heart happy and enjoy joe. Glad we got him
Joe changed from a Fanboy knowing practically nothing like Jon Snow about the Lore atleast in the Beginning to an absolute Hater. Can´t blame him though.
Galadriel, one of the most intelligent and powerful elves in Tolkien Lore and made a strong female warrior in The Rings of Power, contribution before and after refusing to retire to the motherland of elves that was ordered by her king and best friend in her best interest because her return caused the sacred Elf tree to lose leafs by swimming through an entire ocean was: -Instead of searching for her missing husband did an unsuccessful centuries long expedition to find Sauron forcing poor elf soldiers into terrible conditions and refusing to send them home until they revolt against her. -Making the sacred Elf tree lose leafs after her return and when the elf king exiles her and she returns from the exile the tree continues to lose more leafs and therefore making the elf king want to leave Middle Earth. -Convinced the Regent queen of Numenor, a country that doesn’t trust elves, to make an unsuccessful expedition to Middle earth where the Numenorians lost 4 ships, 200 men and the sight of the regent queen making the country even more elfphobic. -Failed to stop the creation of Mordor by not killing and loosely bounding the boss of the orcs Adar and failing to notice that the decoy of Adar was a decoy that she could have easily discovered if she just opened the package or hold it long enough to notice that it is just a normal weapon and not an evil artifact so crucial to hide. -Convinced Sauron, who was badly disguised as king of the south lands that is a title that doesn’t exist for 1000 years and Galadriel should know that, to return to middle earth and brought him to an elvish forge with the precious material of Mithrahil where he creates the idea of the rings of power. -Forced the elves to forge the rings of power, that will be corrupted and used by Sauron to almost rule the entire middle earth if it wasn’t for his defeat at the hands of Isildur who almost died in one of Galadriel’s unsuccessful expeditions, because of the king wanting to leave the Middle Earth that was caused by her returning to middle earth and making the Elf tree lose leafs.
@@dojelnotmyrealname4018 Just another example as how piss poor this writing is, and the purposeful ignorance of the show runners in choosing to use information that was not meant to be used in a novel or show. How far has the character Galadriel been made to fall
@@elidasilva5558 Good.. Good I can feel your hate. " A powerful Dark Queen she will be. Just put her in some black robes and give her a black sword dripping with blood and you have Rey Palatine 2.0 ready to go.
@@isla2202 backgrounds looked great but damn whoever was responsible for matching on set lighting totally dropped the ball. Knowing these huge tech companies it was probably some unpaid intern
The producers of the show say that it is going to be 2 years before season 2 of Rings of Power gets released. Their stated reason for it taking so long is because of the extensive time taken to film the show and create special effects. I think the real reason is so that people can forget how bad the first season was.
Among the doodoo that this series is, I finally felt happy for a minute when the actor playing the Wizard started talking. That actor has given his all to this role and he has a great voice which he could finally show! But then they made him utter Gandalf's dialogue from Fellowship hinting that he is Gandalf and my smile vaporized instantly.
@@JahlisMan He's mad because Gandalf doesn't appear in Middle Earth until the third age. Amazon does NOT have the rights to the Silmirilian! They can ONLY use the Wizards that AREN'T in the Silmirilian, so it makes sense. I love how they're doing the story anyways.
Shes an elf, ofcourse shes perfect. But heck, the one mistake she made (diplomacy with Numenor) got riffed by Alex, so no matter what it seems people were unsatisfied
@@TheBlueArmageddon No, she wasn't perfect. Her "mistake" was not portrayed as any kind of weakness or flaw, nor did she suffer any consequence, learn anything, or grow from it in any way. Additionally, she was a bad leader, a bad diplomat, arrogant, unpleasant, poor at both tactics and tact...I could go on, but it's pointless to rage at or about a fictional character. But yeah, I'm pretty dissatisfied with everything about the character, as written. And that's the problem. How could they possibly have made a good character when totally constrained by 2022 Hollywood rules, which have _NOTHING_ to do with Tolkein, LoTR or good writing?
Remember the premonition Elrond had in the first episode? The reason he sent Galadriel to Valinor is because if she stayed, she might empower those she wished to destroy. He was right. None of this would have happened if she just stayed on the boat.
this is true and bad because it's based on the bad writing of this show. they are inventing storylines about major characters that depict them not just being different from tolkien, but the opposite of what they actually are. in the films aragorn was much more meek and reticent than the bold and confident character in the books, but he still did the things he was supposed to do and still had a good and noble character so the films do a good job of adapting the story that they felt audiences would like (its hard to like a confident character for some) but making one of the most noble, powerful , and beautiful creatures to ever exist in Middle Earth into one of the most corrupted elves to have ever existed invokes a cringe that makes it near impossible to enjoy the storytelling even if it were good, which it isn't.
What wouldn't have happened though? I guess the Numenorean army would be in better shape because she wouldn't have been there to convince them to help the Southlands, but Mordor would've been created anyway. Her leading them there was almost completely inconsequential to whatever Sauron was trying to do. Helping Sauron meet Celebrimbor also feels so incredibly irrelevant. He could've literally just written him a note saying "Don't forget to mix the ores!". I'm sure the literal "Dark Lord" would've found a less contrived way of getting that message to Celebrimbor.
None of this would have happened if the show writers were actual Tolkien fans. This isn't fan fiction, it's just fiction cause no fan would write such a colossal flop. It was an easy paycheck.
@@robertorenderos9656 He got thrown out of his kingdom onto the sea, then came back and caused a volcano, and turned back into the lord of the darkness. Giga Chad energy.
My favorite part of this episode is when they asked galandria for her brothers knife to craft the rings. "We need only the purest gold and silver to make the rings" Lmao In all of the Elven Kingdom with the best blacksmith in the second era history, does not have high quality gold or silver. Only Galadria's brother had nice jewelry in all of the kingdom 😂
Yeah, and then they have the EXACT perfect ratio to alloy with mithril, never mind the gems or the actual dagger being alloyed with other metals as well ebcause no way a weapon made from 100% pure valar gold and silver would be anything but useless.
I think it was said that they needed the dagger because it had material from Valinor. Which was better quality than anything they had on middle-earth. So to answer your question Yes she was the only elf at that exact time and place that had gold n silver from valinor. Not like there was open trade between the two. The Elves on middle-earth were exiles.
The part when Galadriel turns to Colonel Trautman and yells "Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn it off!" and then slings the M-60 over her shoulder, jumps off the ship and swims towards Middle-earth was a master class in writing.
I loved the part when Sauron used his light saber to cut Galadriel throat and said: "I'm the Lord of The Rings, you can't stop me!". So Galadriel body disapeared and she appeared far away up the hills with all elves allies, human and dwarves armies and screamed at loud: " No, you're wrong. The true Lord of the Rings are the friends that we have done in our journey." So Sauron started to cry and jumped in the Ocean.
Loved the part where Galadriel did a super hero landing, yelled "It´s a tempest within me time!" and proceeded to tempest on all the orcs, nerd chills!
What happened to Galadriel’s ability to read people’s minds and speak telepathically even over long distances (this was in the LOTR movies and mentioned in Tolkien’s letters) Also; it was never mentioned in canon that Sauron was in love with Galadriel, or that he wanted to share his throne with anyone. Even the ringwraiths were just reduced to mindless slaves to him.
@@ubersc00ber About as screwed as the symbol they chose for presumably Finarfin's line to be so close to Fëanor's... Also, boats and "if blood be the price of passage." Bad parallels.
@@bleack8701It's quite fascinating, it's like he's standing on a road in order to rate how good the road is, and he just keep looking around all in wonder how good this road is, because it could lead anywhere, to mystical places and great adventures. Everyone looking down at the actual road see it's a cattle trail filled with mud, piss and dung can quite quickly conclude this lead to the same smelly run down barn as last time, but not Joe, he might notice the odd smell and some weird sinking feeling in the steps but he just keep looking and imagining what could be, until he's right in front of said barn again, then he's pissed. See Ashoka for a more recent example of this.
These review where , 1 is the newcomer, 1 is the average fan, 1 is the deep lore fanboy are the best. You guys work of each other perfectly and it's a fun enjoyable ride! Thanks Joe , OJ and Alex...cheers to you 3 from Canada!
The only thing that would have saved this series is if it would have been revealed at the end in the finale that Sauron was masquerading as Galadriel the whole time. Pretending to hunt for himself, while holding Galadriel prisoner and turning everyone against each other by starting wars, insurrections and anarchy. Then offers a solution with a forging of rings.
19:50 - it's impossible the Southlands (Mordor) is a week's ride to Eregion because it took Boromir 108 days to travel from Osgiliath to Rivendell for the council of Elrond, which is actually less of a distance than the example used. How skewed and warped are these showrunner's minds to distort small details like this?!
I was initially hyped for this show...... So disappointing. Sure, they fired the show runners. But what can you do when this was already pushed in a certain direction? There's no fixing it at this point. They'd have to reboot basically.
@@thedeepfriar745 well that's even more disappointing. I thought they brought on new show runners? Welp they clearly don't give a fuuuuuuuucckkkk what fans think. It's not about consumer dollars. It's about investors dollars. That's why these properties don't care about fans. It all goes back to esg and a social credit score. It's unfortunate.
@@willb1405 I’m so pissed that the forging of the rings was like 20 minutes, and it was done in the dumbest fucking way, “my name is celebrimbor, I’m dA BeSt eLviSh sMiTh thEre iS, wHat dId yUO sAy, to mAke sOmethung sTronGer yUO HaVe to BoNd two Metals tWo MaKe aN ALloY”
@@primemachine146 the funniest thing is that alloying has been known to smiths since at least 2500 BC. Bronze is an alloy of copper and tin. So apparently the greatest elven smith doesn't have the same knowledge as ancient humans.
"You paid me money and went 'hey you know that big bowl of shit ive been making you taste every week? I want you to taste it again!' Its still a big bowl of shit" How does Alex come up with this on the fly? Its fucking gold
Galadriel was saying she's gonna kill Sauron for the longest time. And finally when she found out.. she's keeping silent? I thought she was supposed to be a strong.
Galadriel's zealotry got to such a point that she did a background check behind Halbrands back :D Didn't occur to her before bringing him back to middle earth and helping him declare himself as king of the southlands. Well done Galadriel. Season 1 should be named Galadriel shits the bed because she has bad dreams:)
The worst part is that even IF they fire the directors and hire someone actually talented, this first season will forever ruin the series. It’s permanently unwatchable now. Shame on the Tolkien Estate for not retaining enough creative control to make a worthy show.
There's a reason why they ramped up production as soon as Christopher Tolkien died. Christopher Tolkien safeguarded his father's work like it was his own. Unfortunately, Tolkien's grandkids were clearly more interested in the money than retaining creative control.
Such a shame to be protected for so long, only to be mishandled on such a scale. LOTR is only one of the greatest pieces of literature in the history of our race.
Took me awhile to realize the entire episode was called "Better Call Sauron". Where Sauron Evildude reveal himself as a powerful lawyer in the entire middle earth.
Would be so funny if that Balrog tease would literally remain a tease. Dwarves seal the dig with a pick and dynamite and the Balrog goes "Aa, shit. I guess I'll wait for the third age."
This show should be studied and given example of on why writing is important. You can have millions and billions but it won’t matter shit if you don’t have good writing. Also a good example why good writers should be acknowledged and recognised.
Sounds like RoP was, at the end, much like how I felt about the Halo TV series: they had butchered and twisted so much of it in order to go through with their own horrible interpretations that by the time the finale came around there was this great weight of apathy that led to me just watching this parody dance around, knowing with vivid realization that this has nothing to do with what I once loved.
Incel Sauron combined with Perfect Galadriel is the picture perfect symbol of modern TV and moviemaking 'message insertion' at the expense of artistic integrity. A complete disaster.
Couldn’t stay awake past episode 3 but haven’t missed a review video. These reviews are 10x more entertaining and informative than the actual show itself 😂
100% same for me. Not even joking when I tell you my entire family of die hard Tolkien fans fell asleep during the first two episodes. I tried watching the third episode on my own, and I was subconsciously walking away to do chores because the show was so damn boring I forgot I was watching it. I kept having to force myself to sit down and watch it. Just couldn't. The reviews are 10x more entertaining than the show itself
"Have you tried mixing metals ?" Seriously? The elves made metal and wooden crafts for ages, Feanor made an incredibly beautiful and durable super resin for his silmarils. He killed other elves using metal swords, in a major historical event called the Kinslaying. OF COURSE THEY KNEW ABOUT USING METALS TO CRAFT !!! "Sauron doesn't know how to make the rings of power" HE WAS THERE WHEN CREATION WAS SUNG INTO BEING AND STUDIED UNDER THE GOD OF SMITHS !!!
It is pretty creepy that this child(nori) was allowed to leave with some random old guy. Like wtf! That shows even more that the hartfoots are terrible people.
@@crazyralph6386 yeah this scene wasn't great but those two have been the only two to stand out in the whole series. Especially Charlie Vickers. Like I get criticism of the acting for the rest of the show. Just seems picking on the two actors that can act makes me think people are just hating on it without understanding why its bad.
@@theeuphioanswer770 he went evil again because the woman he loved didn't love him back. Instead of being the evil lord who revels in evil and wants power like in the Tolkien books. They turned him into a jilted lover for the "shippers" like this was a CW show.
That's not canon. The elves made their own rings in secret once they began to suspect Annatar wasnt who he said he was. They made them without his knowledge and after they'd mastered the craft through creation of the 9 rings for men and the dwarven rings first. Sauron was pissed when he discovered there were 3 more rings free from his intended corruption. That's canon.
@@captbuckyohare5585 So the show doesn't really deviate from the source is my point. Joe said that Sauron made the elvish rings. You confirmed that he did not. Hence, Joe is an idiot.
Sauron literally says, "remember me?" to Adar when he caught up to him. Later when Adar is being questioned, he seems to realize that Halbrand is Sauron.
Gotta love how House of the Dragon is everything this show wanted to be, and does everything it should have done, but is on the opposite end of the quality spectrum.
Infact Ep8 was weakest out of the lot, I would give it a 6/10 whereas the others are between 7-8. The pacing was messed. They rushed the rings whereas they spent too long with the Harfoots, it was agonising. Also, I knew it beforehand but to see Halbrand as officially as Sauron was a disappointment. I don't like this whole Sauron Yorkshire accent, unkempt, lad vibe shit. Sauron is grand, he is regel. He needs that Benedict Cumberbatch stroke Matt Smith sort of vibe with a thick, deep London accent, not Northern and ontop of that he looks like a tanned Aussie surfer. He needs to be pale white with dark features.
However I am still optimistic. As a whole the series was a 7+, being Tolkien it should of been a 9 but it still has potential. They need to reverse this whole likely Olorin angle and go with the Blues. He needs ro be a Blue. One good Blue and one cultist Blue in the East. Vickers was mentioning Annatar in his interview, if they bring in Annatar for a second innings with Celebrimor to forge the rest of the rings as Celebrimor is still oblivious to Sauron, this could work. Next season should also focus heavily on Rhun and the Blues.
Probably the only show that I feel both like I'm battered and beaten up over a long journey, but nothing happened in that journey to feel that way. Then there is Andor with a fraction of the budget and whether you like the whole rogue dude doing rogue things or not, the acting and writing is fantastic.
One point, all the Rings were originally made for the Elves. Sauron taught the Elven-smiths how to forge Rings of Power and, after they perfected the craft, they forged 16 Rings of Power. Sauron then left Eregion and gave the Elves time to become addicted to the power of the Rings by using them. It was during this time that Celebrimbor forged the Three without Sauron's oversight or involvement. Sauron then forges the One but when he puts it on, the Elves perceive him and know they & all they wrought with them would be slaves to Sauron's will. They take off the Rings and hide them. Sauron attacks and obtains the 16 Rings. Sauron then gives some of them to men (nine) and dwarves (seven) as a back-up plan. So the Seven and the Nine were originally forged for and used by Elves.
Just repeat this line they dont have the rights. they dont have the rights, they dont have the rights. Apperently that will explain everything away lol
Yes, and made a thousand years before Elendil was even born.The Elven rings also held to power over the Elves because they resisted it's evil. Anyone that makes excuses that peter Jackson made changes also needs to look at the time of events and see just how much Amazon has flat out ignored huge parts of the story and compare it to how he adapted it.
The elven rings were made in secret, the others were made before them. Also as Alex said, we had more time spent on the Harfoots goodbyes than on the actual forging of the Rings.
Alex's Depression weighs heavily on this section of Reviews.. just 1minute Alex looks like he's scolded by teachers who punished him for more Homework.. and bullies insulted him in college and got himself Grounded by parents.. all in one day
I know because of inflation you can't compare them 1:1, but I think the amount of money they spent on this first season is supposed to be what 750 million? And the total for the Peter Jackson trilogy was 280M? It is absolutely mind boggling the production difference between the two. The battle of Helms Deep and Pelennor Fields vs. a tiny skirmish of 100 vs. 100 in a village.
Thank you Alex for pointing out the most ridiculous thing first! Clear winner (and there were many competitors) was Halbrand instructing Celebrimbor on smithing and crafting. That was the dumbest moment so far in an astoundingly dumb show. Couldn't believe what I was seeing and hearing.
Joes channel is the probably only one on RUclips where I will literally sit back and watch an entire hour and a half video about an opinion.. Btw I tried to defend this show but they brought Gandalf into the show and are fucking baiting isildurs death it’s depressing that the writing is so bad they actually might kill him off
I have been really into your reviews on shows and movies lately. I just wanted to say I appreciate that you give everything a fair shot no matter your thoughts going in. Secondly I really love the 3 different views. Someone who super loves the lore, someone in the middle and then someone who is just seeing the show based on it's merits with no bias. Love you guys!
Would it not have made more sense for Sauron to either let the elves leave middle-earth, or perish.. Rather than assisting them with life saving mithril rings? 🤔 I know he wants to control them in the books via his ‘gifts’ - but in the show they seem to have created a rather large plot hole here? (as a potentially better option for Sauron of removing the elves as a threat to his rise to power has now become available).
They really cocked up the whole forging storyline. In the books, Sauron wears a disguise of an elf sent by the gods to help Celebrimbor create items of light and goodness and deceives him into forging the rings. Over the course of 300 years they fashion the 9 rings for men first (the weaker rings and easiest to corrupt) then improve with the dwarven rings. And soon after, the king, Galadriel, and others begin to suspect Sauron. In the meantime, Celebrimbor decides to use everything hes lesrned to fashion the 3 elven rings, free of Saurons influence, in an effort to make true weapons of pure beauty and purity at the height of his skills. For a while they are effective in strengthening the elves until Sauron forges the One Ring. From then on, the elves avoid using their rings in case they fall under the ring of power's influence. What they did in the show skips all that and now it makes very little sense.
It has gotten to the point that I find it really hard to imagine the show being SO unbelievably badly written that it is becoming a perfect satire of its source material. Like think about it, Galadriel, the empathic and thoughtful elven sorceress is turned into an emotionless warrior looking for revenge and falling for Sauron?
Joe did a great job facilitating this, bringing the anger that we all feel and making it super entertaining and filling the conversation, but also giving other Joe and Alex time to voice their opinions on it. Literally the only reason I finish the series was so I could watch this review and a few others. Well done, thanks for going through it fellas. Lol
Elrond: We do not speak the name of Sauron in these lands master baggins
Frodo: Oh is his name really that evil?
Elrond: No it's just that he's Galadriel's ex so we try to avoid mentioning him by name.
This must be in the extended extended version of the Fellowship of the Ring
@@bigstirlo3686 amazon original extended version
Perfect comment
Sauron is just the beast from what we do in the shadows now
😂😂😂😂😂
Maybe, in the end, the real Sauron was the friends we made along the way.
evil friends ?
@@genericguy_ well most are evil anyway
Great comment
*plays the nodding fisherman gif*
This guy 😂
Joe had a greater character arc than anyone in the show
So true 😂😂😂
LOL true
The whole five stages of grief and despair.
funniest comment 😂
Too true
You don't have to be a Tolkien fan to loathe this series. But to BE a Tolkien fan....oh my god, this is Morgoth's revenge
It's enough to make you root for the orcs
I’m at a point right now where im not sure if I’ve either I’ve fallen into a deep spiral of conspiracies or if every piece of entertainment always has to be bombarded with woke ideologies. It’s always there in some shape or form. It’s not about telling a story anymore it’s about check boxes and marketing. Aka money grabbing. From anything to gaming to cinema to music it’s there. It’s gotta go because idk how much more i can handle before I’ll blow a gasket. I just want to relax i dont want all this crap getting in tbe way whamens strong we got it the first 100 times we can move on now!!
@@Ihavehadmanynames7779 no shit. So where's the native American elf, huh? Huh?? And if you include one, do you dress him in traditional garb and get vilified for the stereotype? Or not dress him like that and be accused of disrespecting their culture. You can't win.
I thought it was quite good, represented the books well. What parts were explicitly bad or wrong?
@@drobinson-uo7ic Not gonna lie, Adar was one of the most relatable characters. Why the orcs did collect slaves to dig those ditches OTOH... no idea.
Sauron did in fact, simply walked into Mordor.
Teleported, then walked when he was in proximity
@@justinnyugen7015 💀Good point...
@@justinnyugen7015 So he stills "Walks INTO Mordor" , xd
...which would be his base of operations
@@CarlosHernandez-kn8sl yep. Just not simply
I gotta say props to Joe for learning to let Alex and OJ talk more while still keeping his own rants going. It’s a much better balance, so good on you, Joe
this
Yes he has gotten really good at managing the discussion.
It's a great improvement
I loved it when he checked himself to let Alex speak. And then he unleashed Hell.
His character development is beyond the one we got on she hulk lol. Hes learned and adapted and is a better content creator for it.
Wasn't galadriel supposed to be the only one NOT fooled by sauron
It's worse that she knows and still willingly goes along with it
And Gil-galad but the show has made him a bit player
@@justinnyugen7015 my women strong or whatever
Also, Galadriel is one of the oldest elves around at the time.
But no, she's like 16 and didn't get money for cigarettes from mom.
Galadriel, Gil-Galad, Elrond and, I think, Kirdan were the only ones who saw through Sauron's "Annatar" BS almost immediatly, yes.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE THEY RINGWRAITHS IF THERE ARE NO RINGS YET?!"
This sums up the entire show perfectly.
There is an argument that some of the events might not be happening at the same time, so there might already be rings at that point. Not that it would fix that situation. Also its probably one of those theories that are more clever than the show is..
memba LOTR.. memba the wraiths on horses... memba...
They're not ringwraiths
@@wildbard4112 right sorry my bad , they are wraithrings
@@mr.fusion9872 Lol come on now.
I loved seeing Alex smirk when Joe would start screaming about an aspect of the show. At this point, Alex doesn't have the willpower or desire to complain about the show anymore, but he clearly appreciates that Joes still has the energy to do it.
I thought it was funny how he'd smirk every time Joe said "Gil Galihad".
It's the best 😂
That's because he's reach the last stage of grief:
Acceptance.
@@fnh123 in this case i think the last step was actually indifference 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@@Dan016 Yeah he doesn’t wanna make himself mad
"That's what the Rings of Power of Amazon is, the Rings are the number of zeros they wrote to Tolkien's estate to piss on it".
That's gotta be the most savage line I've ever heard, holy shit Alex. That's rage in a single sentence from a man that's seen one of his favorite IP's destroyed.
at least ASOIAF fans had 4 great seasons to watch. though those same fans had no idea that the HBO adaptation meant the book series will never be finished since the author is high off his farts and living life on easy mode with HBO money
If there was an Emmy for best line said in a RUclips show he would at least be nominated for this
This is the most trope-filled movie/show I've seen in a long while. Of course all movies/shows use tropes but in Rings of Power, it seems every scene is set up to use an overused trope, whether it's the Miscommunication Trope, Death Fakeout Trope, Bait and Switch Trope, Mystery Box Trope, etc. That's why this show is so predictable, I recognize the trope immediately and watch it play out very slowly already knowing how the trope ends.
Nothing is destroyed. It's just a stupid tv show. If I see a release from a big corporation - I just know it's going to be a pile of garbage.
@@aSSGoblin1488 George probably just can’t write an ending. He’s still making other stuff that he doesn’t have to commit decades too because he probably only has 15 years left to live realistically
Rando dude who turns out to be Sauron tells the greatest elven smith in middle earth: "Hey, you know you can mix two metals together?" Wow. Sheer genius. This is like me telling a world class chef about the wonders of mustard and ketchup on a hot dog.
Ketchup on a hot dog is disgusting.
Ketchup on a hot dog is amazing.
Ketchup doesnt belong on hotdogs....mustard, relish, onion, sauerkraut, chili, cheese..... those are the only acceptable condiments
It's more like me, some tard from the middle of nowhere, telling Tom Brady that you can wear cleats to get better traction on the field.
Like telling Gordon Ramsay how to cook an egg.
The most disappointing thing about this version of Galadriel is that she is written to always be right, and in doing so lacks any shred of humility. This Galadriel would not have hesitated to take the ring from Frodo. Why wouldn't she? Everything she does is right and no one knows better than she does.
Yes cause a good character and their development would be great if they were always right.
except when she went all ape on Adar...and whenever she flipped out at the Numenoreans. Pay attention.
Because is a female lead character, they have to make sure she’s always right, better than anyone else. Bad “female energy “ forcing female characters on people, to always be much better.. just like Rey from Star Wars.
@@no1guy825 - I mean, she only threatened to make Adar watch her commit Orc genocide….
No biggie.
WO-MAN IS ALWAYS RIGHT BIGOT!
A Wizard never arrives 1000's of years too early, he arrives precisely whenever the writers need him to
Has not been said it's gandolf ever in show just stop.
@@GGA007Gaming this comment might age very bad in season 2. Remind me
@@GGA007Gaming bro it’s absolutely Gandalf, the fact he hangs out with hobbits, loves talking to moths, and says one of his iconic lines “always follow your nose” there’s no denying it now
@@Brohl1337 I mean It could but stuff like this when they say we are spreading misinformation make them right. This show is so bad the last thing I wanna see is them be right.
@@wadalmighty389 its just the writers eating their fair share of 'member berries.
It wasn't Saurons plan to run into Galadriel on the ocean. It was even worse writing than that. Saurons plan was to go somewhere away from it all and live in peace. Thats why he wanted to stay in Numenor and smith weapons. Thats why he was so reluctant to go with Galadriel to middle earth. Thats why he didn't want to beat up the Numenorians that were messing with him and why he told Galadriel "I have found peace here, for both of our sakes, let me keep it". Their Sauron plot was basically Sauron got betrayed by Adar so he was like, you know what, screw this, I don't want to be evil and control everything anymore, I just wanna go live a normal life as a normal person far away from middle earth. Even after Galadriel found out he's Sauron he still didn't want to be evil anymore, he just wanted to marry Galadriel and help everyone but Galadriel was like nah fuck that I hate you so now Sauron is like, oh yea well screw you too I will just go be evil again! So basically Sauron turns into an incel. Thats their billion dollar plot. lmfao
Galadriel is the real dark lord of this show lmao
I am become death, the destroyer of worlds, because she destroyed my world.
Yes, that's how it came across to me too... Sauron just wanted peace and to make amends for his past but Galadriel pushes him into being evil again.
Basically, everything is Galadriel's fault. 🤦♂
The main problem about this bs is Sauron wanting to live in peace. 💀 Sauron... servant of Morgoth, The dark lord who is feared by everyone even in his weakest form... wanting peace. 💀
@@Great_White21 I can see that only because of how long he's lived, dude's been around so long I could definitely see him shift eventually, it's the fact that all it takes to shift him right back to evil is being rejected that's insanely stupid.
I think I know where the writers got this entire show from. There was that one scene where Frodo offers the Ring to Galadriel and she’s all like, “In place of a Dark Lord, you would have a queen!” And the writers saw this, and they thought about it for a few seconds, and they decided they needed 1 billion dollars to make Sauron propose to Galadriel.
But she said no
@@Zangozz wait till season 4, it goes from "no" to a "maybe?"
@@joeytheghost4211 then end of season 6 and one last fuck u to us all they get married and that’s how the show ends
Not sure if you're joking, but you might be on to something. I rewatched the film and saw flashes (or attempts) of the new Galadriel. The passion and intensity when she is declaring her intentions for the ring seems to be the chords they were trying to strike with her characterization in the series. The problem is (aside from literally everything else) the actress was not capable of delivering such a performance. She was expressionless, looked constipated, stiff, and worst of all, boring.
They definitely playing fast and loose with the timeline. The "meteor men" did not arrive until a thousand years later. But the more I read the dumb AF statements put out by the show runners ...? It makes sense in a weird way. Peter Jackson was dragged 2 decades ago for making changes to accommodate film & time. The people who were not fans of that were labeled "Tolkienistas" 😄 I think our currently woke showrunners, literally won the pitch campaign (which, they *were* up against a ton of competition) because they sold the idea of RoP "not being for those fans" 😳 So? You decided to alienate your core fan base in the pursuit of being seen as the woke geniuses of this century? 🤔🤣
I'm not a hardcore Tolkien fan, but my kid and my dad are ...idc if you cast black actors as hobbits (but sorry they just REALLY cannot be elves. Why? Because they are literally derived from Norse mythology, lol). Someone please cast me (in all my paleness) as Viola Davis in Woman King and watch how fast the hypocrisy flows forth. 🤣🤣🤣 RoP tried to rip one minute out of a multi millennia saga and force feed their audience a bunch of fkng nonsense. My advice? Keep the comments turned off because clearly Amazon is in no mood for the truth. Easier just to call everyone racist 🤦♀️
When the show creators said in an interview, "We are trying to make the novel that Tolkien never wrote." They weren’t lying. Tolkien would never write something this stupid.
Which is funny because pretty much everything Christopher Tolkien published was already “the novel that Tolkien never wrote” lol.
Oh I bet, it just couldn’t be worse! Suspicious that ur here tho, thinking and writing about it. 12 episodes in and you’ve decided you can’t fkn stand it. But haven’t moved on. Haven’t found a new show. You hate it so much that it occupies ur time and waking mind! I’d bet my entire savings account that there’s tons of u crybabies, miserable wrecks, and raging defenders of the purity of the almighty Tolkien, creator of Earth & heaven…that are afraid of something, lack a backbone or whatever it is and will never admit that the reason you never miss episodes & talk about them hours and hours a day is because you like them. There’s no other rational explanation. Words are nothing…actions speak volumes…and ur still here, and you’ll still be here when the season 5 finale airs. What a mess…I’ve never hid my personality or views cuz my only friends are bullies I fear or due to bring a cowardly pssy that the most gentle breeze blows right over. Unreal that ppl refuse to leave their misery and toxicity and choose happiness
I've been waiting for this more than the season finale hahaha. Love it guys
Haha
Same here
Same. I was like, “I’m gonna watch it, i’m not gonna like it, but i can’t wait to watch the internet shit on it afterwards.”
I rather watch this than the show
Same the final was the best episode, but it was horrible! :)
same
The writers admitted in one of their interviews that the only reason they got the job was because they were friends with JJ Abrams and he called Amazon on their behalf. Not surprising given how the story was written ameturish and full of mystery boxes.
Ah if that's true then no wonder
You knew it was nepotism. It certainly wasn't passion for the story or talent.
@@NameUnknownz nepotism is another reason why Hollywood is dead. anyone recommended by that IP destroyer, should’ve been at the BOTTOM of the list!
The guy who ruins big franchises… Idk how companies didn’t learn anything from the past still
You gotta be shitting me
When Sauron said Where is galadriel? Is she safe? Is she all right?
Then Morgoth said It seems in your anger... you killed her.
Then Sauron said I... I couldn't have! She was alive; I felt it... I... Nooooooo!
I literally cried
Dont forget the part where Gil Galad says to Elrond to join the dark side of force and Elrond replies with: "You failed your highness, I will never join the dark side ... Im a Jedi, like my father before me".
Literally chills, so touching.
@@aesir1ases64 you ruined it and you should feel bad
On the Third Age. Before Aragorn made the last stand with Sauron's army. The burning eye looked at Aragorn and said. "Aragorn, I am going to be your great grandfather in law"
"What. How." asked Aragorn.
Sauron responded "Arwen's mother is my secret dauther I have with Galadriel"
Aragorn shouted pespair, "Noooooooooooooooooo."
I loved the part where Galadriel Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way Targaryen said, "We have the mightiest armies in all of middle earth! What do you have that could defeat us?" Sauron just cracked his neck and said, "Magic, Mutherf*cker." Then Frodo said, "Crap. we're gonna need a bigger ring." so Gandalf told the Ents "run forrest run!" Then Don Lemonlas said, "We Haz RANGS!" while wearing T-shirt that read, "Ask Me About My Translucent Agenda."
All Game of Thrones scholars agree that the scene where Rhaenyra whispers in Celeborn's ear “I hate pee on the toilet seat when I go to use it.” and then disconnects the machine that keeps him alive, perfectly delivered George JRR Martin's message of hope and healing for all wahmankind. Then Galadriel jumped into the ocean with Dory and started singing, "Just keep swimming."
I have to admit, I did not like the part where the authot race swapped the ents. Ents are clearly White Birch, but those ents were OAK. Remember, Arboreal Pollen is Tree ejaculation, so the Ent orgy counts as interracial and should have the appropriate tags.
I loved the part where Ursula said “Ahh, so you think darkness is your ally? But you merely adopted the dark; I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already an octopus, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!” Then She-Hulk said, "You either die a Hero or live long enough to see yourself become the Crustacean." And then Halbrand said, "YEW TUKE ARR JERBS!" and Kicked a Harfoot into a well while shouting, "THIS. IS. NUMENOR." But Then Ursula Replied, "I am INEVITABLE!!!" only for Ariel to impale her with the boat while saying, "And I am all the Jedi! ... On a Boat."
I laughed, I cried, I kissed 18 bucks goodbye.
10/10 Would edge to it again.
Much Stunning. Much Bravery.
This show somehow makes people feels rushed and slow at the same time.
Masterpeace writting.
every LOTR elf is in such a hurry in this show
YOU CAN HAVE 3 WEEKS
yall are elves bro, you aint going to lose your divinity and connection to the land in 3 weeks
"We have to hurry and make these rings, but slowly..."
It's cos they slowed everything down except the only part that NEEDED to be slowed. The fucking rings. But they sped right past that. The fuck?
Yeah I know what you mean right here. It's like there's no attentionspan, and at the same time a sort of time-is-SLOOOW sensation. Like if bored and you notice it's only been 5 minutes and you have 7 more hours of work to do.
I'd really like to know how these writers managed to con bezos so epically.
J. J. Got them their jobs.
@@surepain3375 Even not present and actively working on a project , J.J. still manages to destroy a franchise.
These $$$$$
you're welcome
Jar Jar Abrhams
I’d rather see a documentary about how that happened than this show. There’s got to be some serious money laundering going on cause the $ is certainly not on the screen.
I liked Alex's comment from the last show, basically he said the writing on RoP was like blowing up the statue of David to make ten thousand little marble buttplugs. Any enjoyment you might get from your buttplug would be immediately nullified when you realised what had been destroyed to create it.
I showed that part to someone who was thinking about watching the show...
They immediately understood they can skip it
Lmao it still cracks me up how funny and accurate that description is
I liked when he said 'It's like watching an old friend of yours live on TV getting buttfucked while on fire.'
It does not match with the situation at all though. Nothing has been destroyed. All the books and lore still exist.
It would probably be more accurate to say someone less talented created a disfigured copy of the Statue and put it right next to the original.
Except not a single thing has been destroyed to create it. So his analogy makes zero sense. But since this is the comments section of youtube I suspect just brainless agreement with anything they say just because they are hating on something you want to hate on also.
Can we all take a moment to appreciate how Joe's pronunciation of the characters' names was a better character arc than galadriel's arc
Whatever he still pronounces Thanos and algorithm wrong. 😂😂😂
Galandriel
Giving up her brother's dagger.
Galandriel, Selebrimbor, Gal-gilahad
The Mystery Box Trope is a plague and it needs to die. If you want the audience to enjoy the plot, you have to let them follow the plot. Reveal the character's goal and show the step by step progress towards that goal. The problem is I didn't know they were gonna use the trenches to explode the volcano. So all those episodes they spent building the trenches, I wasn't following anything, because I didn't know what it was for and how it's connected to Adar's goal which I also didn't know what it was.
For anyone wondering... The idea of the Elven Rings is that they would have the power to heal and preserve.
The one of Galadriel would have the power to literally stop time in an area, and that's why Lothlorien were she lived was always beautiful and didn't seem to age.
The one of Elrond would have the power to heal any wound, and that's why it could heal Frodo from the wound with the Morgul blade, although it couldn't totally cure a wound made with that kind of evil magic.
The third Ring was the fire ring, and supossedly should belong to an elve called Cirdan, the Shipwright, who lately would give it to Gandalf when he arrived to the Grey Havens. It had the power to fill the hearts of people with fire, making them do heroic things, wich Gandalf used several times during The War of the Ring for the defense against Sauron.
But Alex is right, the Elves wouldn't use their rings until after Sauron's defeat. The moment he created the One Ring and he put it on his finger, they sense it and knew what was happening, so they took them off and wouldn't use them until after he was defeated on the battle of the Last Alliance. If not... they would be controlled by it like it happened with the Nine rings of Men.
The Shadow of Mordor has a better understanding of Tolkien lore than a billion dollar series
It's even better than the goddamn Hobbit movies.
@@Isnogood12 i actually love the Hobbit trilogy
imagine if they made a movie or show about that game
@@CasepbX I would recommend playing shadow of war also and is personally a lot better then Mordor and I would also recommend playing the dlc too
The games were orcs talk nonstop. Yeah those were absolute garbage and had nothing to do with the lore.
“Do you remember the Peter Jackson LOTR trilogy, Mr Joe? It’ll be the 20th anniversary soon. And the fanbase will cheer. And we’ll remember seeing those characters created by a visionary genius all those years ago represented as well as they possibly could have been. And the battle scenes that defined a generation of cinema will still stand up to scrutiny and be as impressive now as they were in the early 2000s. And the writing quality of one of the most dramatic and powerful stories in the history of fiction will still be as resonant because of the love and care Jackson put into those films to the best of his ability… and the good, good writing will just shine from every part of the script from the plot to the characters to the overall themes of the story… Do you remember the feeling of good writing, Mr Joe?”
Lmao this fckn gold 🔥🔥🔥
I remember when the movies released people were crying about how shit it was
edit: even though they were masterpieces
20th anniversary of two towers
Take me back, taaake meee baaaaack
@@Tangerator Pretty sure that was book fans that were pissed that a mainstream film snatched away LOTR from their super secret book club.....
Felt like Alex and Joe just went through the same journey as Frodo and Sam went through.
Are you implying other joe is Gollum?
@@Nero_PR well he always wants to play Zombie Games
At this point, its this show that needs to be thrown into Mount Doom.
Other Joe would be Tom Bombadil
@@Ajbajnificent 💯
I love how Alex has never corrected Joe saying Gil-Galahad, and he just snickers every time XD
Lol yeah, but every time he says it, I think of Gil-galad surrounded by sexy nuns...
And then mithril gets forged into a Holy Grail, that is found by Gil Galahad, the perfect knight.
Actually, he did, around 30 minutes in :)
Gil-Galahad and Elorond fighting Sauronon
To call it fanfiction would imply fans wrote it.
“The Rings are the number of 0’s they wrote to Tolkien’s Estate to piss on it.” 😂😂😂
Alex had me dying lol
That single joke was unironically better then any line in the show XD
@@PraetorianG2004 there is no more estate bro. Tolkien's kids died only lawyers remain. So yes they know better than your precious estate.
Simon Tolkien has always been jealous of what his grandfather and father were able to accomplish. He's trying to collaborate with Barad-dur here to reach those highs but it obviously fails completely.
Truer words have been spoken !
@@thumos The fact that he's a consultant for this show speaks volumes about his character. That dude does not give a fuck what happens to the lore. He only cares about the amount of zeros that are on the pay cheque he's getting.
I love Alex´s face every time Joe says "Gil-Galahad".
You know he says it on purpose.
Watching Joe's reaction to episode 1 and the finale is a rollercoast of emotions
I disagree with Joe politically 100%. That being irrelevant and said, I'm surprised he hates it. It makes my heart happy and enjoy joe. Glad we got him
What does he believe politically
Joe changed from a Fanboy knowing practically nothing like Jon Snow about the Lore atleast in the Beginning to an absolute Hater. Can´t blame him though.
Its funny he hates this because it ruins the lore but loves the witcher netflix show
@@JIGWIGPIGwhy do you hate people of color?
Galadriel, one of the most intelligent and powerful elves in Tolkien Lore and made a strong female warrior in The Rings of Power, contribution before and after refusing to retire to the motherland of elves that was ordered by her king and best friend in her best interest because her return caused the sacred Elf tree to lose leafs by swimming through an entire ocean was:
-Instead of searching for her missing husband did an unsuccessful centuries long expedition to find Sauron forcing poor elf soldiers into terrible conditions and refusing to send them home until they revolt against her.
-Making the sacred Elf tree lose leafs after her return and when the elf king exiles her and she returns from the exile the tree continues to lose more leafs and therefore making the elf king want to leave Middle Earth.
-Convinced the Regent queen of Numenor, a country that doesn’t trust elves, to make an unsuccessful expedition to Middle earth where the Numenorians lost 4 ships, 200 men and the sight of the regent queen making the country even more elfphobic.
-Failed to stop the creation of Mordor by not killing and loosely bounding the boss of the orcs Adar and failing to notice that the decoy of Adar was a decoy that she could have easily discovered if she just opened the package or hold it long enough to notice that it is just a normal weapon and not an evil artifact so crucial to hide.
-Convinced Sauron, who was badly disguised as king of the south lands that is a title that doesn’t exist for 1000 years and Galadriel should know that, to return to middle earth and brought him to an elvish forge with the precious material of Mithrahil where he creates the idea of the rings of power.
-Forced the elves to forge the rings of power, that will be corrupted and used by Sauron to almost rule the entire middle earth if it wasn’t for his defeat at the hands of Isildur who almost died in one of Galadriel’s unsuccessful expeditions, because of the king wanting to leave the Middle Earth that was caused by her returning to middle earth and making the Elf tree lose leafs.
She is even a better Dark Lord then acutal Sauron
I'll also add that Halbrand didn't even try to be the King of the Southlands. Galadriel just assumed he was.
@@dojelnotmyrealname4018 Just another example as how piss poor this writing is, and the purposeful ignorance of the show runners in choosing to use information that was not meant to be used in a novel or show. How far has the character Galadriel been made to fall
@@elidasilva5558 Good.. Good I can feel your hate. " A powerful Dark Queen she will be. Just put her in some black robes and give her a black sword dripping with blood and you have Rey Palatine 2.0 ready to go.
Ah yes. The billion dollar show with writing on par with Paramount's Halo
billion dollar spent on vfx shots...10k of vfx shots.
Then they remembered they had to write a story
They could've used that money on The Boys or Invincible
@@isla2202 backgrounds looked great but damn whoever was responsible for matching on set lighting totally dropped the ball. Knowing these huge tech companies it was probably some unpaid intern
Be lucky we didn't get Sauron ass.
the last Jedi and rise of skywalker level writing
The producers of the show say that it is going to be 2 years before season 2 of Rings of Power gets released. Their stated reason for it taking so long is because of the extensive time taken to film the show and create special effects. I think the real reason is so that people can forget how bad the first season was.
"The rings were the zero's that were paid to Tolkien's estate to piss on it." That was some legit poetry my friend!
I loved the scene where Sauron looks into the camera and says: “it’s sauring time” and Saurs all over the enemies, truly tear shedding.
You can't even parody the writing beause it's somehow worse than the memes.
Please, Sauroff these jokes already 🌝
Among the doodoo that this series is, I finally felt happy for a minute when the actor playing the Wizard started talking.
That actor has given his all to this role and he has a great voice which he could finally show!
But then they made him utter Gandalf's dialogue from Fellowship hinting that he is Gandalf and my smile vaporized instantly.
did you expect him to be anyone but Gandalf? if so, why? it was as obvious from the get go as the Sauron reveal.
@Derek Brandell Monty python and the holy grails black knight..
and bennito musolini and the blue genie
@@JahlisMan He's mad because Gandalf doesn't appear in Middle Earth until the third age. Amazon does NOT have the rights to the Silmirilian! They can ONLY use the Wizards that AREN'T in the Silmirilian, so it makes sense. I love how they're doing the story anyways.
@@ethanbrownell4564 with these writers, I'd expect it to be Gandalf even if they *had* the rights.
Cmon dude thats not bad we all love gandalf
I don't know why you expected character growth for Galadriel. She started perfect, where do you go from there?
I agree, its so garbage.
Shes an elf, ofcourse shes perfect. But heck, the one mistake she made (diplomacy with Numenor) got riffed by Alex, so no matter what it seems people were unsatisfied
@@TheBlueArmageddon stop the shill my guy
@@TheBlueArmageddon No, she wasn't perfect. Her "mistake" was not portrayed as any kind of weakness or flaw, nor did she suffer any consequence, learn anything, or grow from it in any way. Additionally, she was a bad leader, a bad diplomat, arrogant, unpleasant, poor at both tactics and tact...I could go on, but it's pointless to rage at or about a fictional character. But yeah, I'm pretty dissatisfied with everything about the character, as written.
And that's the problem. How could they possibly have made a good character when totally constrained by 2022 Hollywood rules, which have _NOTHING_ to do with Tolkein, LoTR or good writing?
Original Lord of the Rings budgets (adjusted for inflation): $170 million per movie
Rings of Power first season budget: $462 million
Remember the premonition Elrond had in the first episode? The reason he sent Galadriel to Valinor is because if she stayed, she might empower those she wished to destroy. He was right. None of this would have happened if she just stayed on the boat.
"Do what you're GD told, Karen!!"
this is true and bad because it's based on the bad writing of this show. they are inventing storylines about major characters that depict them not just being different from tolkien, but the opposite of what they actually are. in the films aragorn was much more meek and reticent than the bold and confident character in the books, but he still did the things he was supposed to do and still had a good and noble character so the films do a good job of adapting the story that they felt audiences would like (its hard to like a confident character for some) but making one of the most noble, powerful , and beautiful creatures to ever exist in Middle Earth into one of the most corrupted elves to have ever existed invokes a cringe that makes it near impossible to enjoy the storytelling even if it were good, which it isn't.
What wouldn't have happened though? I guess the Numenorean army would be in better shape because she wouldn't have been there to convince them to help the Southlands, but Mordor would've been created anyway. Her leading them there was almost completely inconsequential to whatever Sauron was trying to do. Helping Sauron meet Celebrimbor also feels so incredibly irrelevant. He could've literally just written him a note saying "Don't forget to mix the ores!". I'm sure the literal "Dark Lord" would've found a less contrived way of getting that message to Celebrimbor.
None of this would have happened if the show writers were actual Tolkien fans. This isn't fan fiction, it's just fiction cause no fan would write such a colossal flop. It was an easy paycheck.
@@KC24987 Exactly right.
I loved it when Sauron turned into Andrew Tate. Best use of writing mechanics ever. Give that person a raise Amazon.
Sauron is a tawp G
what color is saurons bugatti
Got to Mordor in a Bugatti
@@robertorenderos9656 He got thrown out of his kingdom onto the sea, then came back and caused a volcano, and turned back into the lord of the darkness. Giga Chad energy.
Georgio Floyddins was Tha best, dawg!
"we had a longer Hartfoot goodbye then Sauron making the rings of power" Sums up the entire show.....
Very surprised Galadriel rejected Sauron alone at sea despite the ‘implication.’
Nice one 😅
That's kinda dark, dude.
she passed the test. implication of danger was no match
Amazon didn’t pay for the rights for the D.E.N.N.I.S. system, so they can only allude to it.
Are you going to hurt these women Dennis?
My favorite part of this episode is when they asked galandria for her brothers knife to craft the rings. "We need only the purest gold and silver to make the rings" Lmao
In all of the Elven Kingdom with the best blacksmith in the second era history, does not have high quality gold or silver. Only Galadria's brother had nice jewelry in all of the kingdom 😂
Not to mention they just chuck the whole thing in, gems and all, and it miraculously separates into 3 distinct metals
@@Thornsworks hahaha omg I didn't think of that, that makes things even dumber 😂
Yeah, and then they have the EXACT perfect ratio to alloy with mithril, never mind the gems or the actual dagger being alloyed with other metals as well ebcause no way a weapon made from 100% pure valar gold and silver would be anything but useless.
I think it was said that they needed the dagger because it had material from Valinor. Which was better quality than anything they had on middle-earth. So to answer your question Yes she was the only elf at that exact time and place that had gold n silver from valinor. Not like there was open trade between the two. The Elves on middle-earth were exiles.
Yeah it was stupid, in the whole kingdom of Eregion not one elf had anything gold or silver from Valinor? Seriously? Its just laughable writing.
The part when Galadriel turns to Colonel Trautman and yells "Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn it off!" and then slings the M-60 over her shoulder, jumps off the ship and swims towards Middle-earth was a master class in writing.
I loved the part when Sauron used his light saber to cut Galadriel throat and said: "I'm the Lord of The Rings, you can't stop me!".
So Galadriel body disapeared and she appeared far away up the hills with all elves allies, human and dwarves armies and screamed at loud: " No, you're wrong. The true Lord of the Rings are the friends that we have done in our journey."
So Sauron started to cry and jumped in the Ocean.
give this man a billion $
"It's ringin' time" *proceeds to LOTR herself over Sauron*
My soul connected with this plot and my dick exploded 10/10 -ign
Because the sea is always right 🤣
"the friends that we have done in our journey" It's usually "made" but "done" works too here I guess.
You mean to tell me the guy who was obviously Sauron was Sauron?? Almost like the writers didn’t handle any of the characters competently LMAO
I kept thinking “It can’t be Sauron. It’s TOO obvious.” I was seriously disappointed.
When Galadriel confronted Halbrand and said: "There is a Tampax within me" I clapped!
Loved the part where Galadriel did a super hero landing, yelled "It´s a tempest within me time!" and proceeded to tempest on all the orcs, nerd chills!
and that tempest, man, it's hard to wash off. very sticky.
She is the Tempest that is approaching!
It’s Morffin time!!!
IT BROKE NEW GROUND!!
Lol
What happened to Galadriel’s ability to read people’s minds and speak telepathically even over long distances (this was in the LOTR movies and mentioned in Tolkien’s letters)
Also; it was never mentioned in canon that Sauron was in love with Galadriel, or that he wanted to share his throne with anyone. Even the ringwraiths were just reduced to mindless slaves to him.
Galadriel wasn't even front and center in the book where the series is based from.
That there is any sexual tension between galadriel and Sauron at all is a fucking travesty.
They swapped it for her swimming ability.
@@ubersc00ber About as screwed as the symbol they chose for presumably Finarfin's line to be so close to Fëanor's...
Also, boats and "if blood be the price of passage." Bad parallels.
Like joe says they want you to WATCH SEASON TWOOOO lol
The fact they showed the Balrog in the trailer and only showed a 10 second clip in the season is crazy
Halo and Lord of the Rings are my favorite things in the world. Yes, imagine how I am feeling right now.
Same
lol, that Halo show bro. What a fukin shit show.
rip xD
Rip in pepperoni buddy
Its crazy that they’ve spend a billion dollars trying to adapt the Second Age without having the rights to the Second Age or half the characters.
And twisting the lore and completely screwing up their own lore at that
Yep. It’s like they had a blank check to utterly destroy anything good Tolkien created? It’s insane
It's called narcissism. They never intended to respect Tolkiens work.
Joe's assumptions for future episodes are always better than the episodes that come after.
That's why I wish he stopped rating based on speculation for the next.
@@bleack8701It's quite fascinating, it's like he's standing on a road in order to rate how good the road is, and he just keep looking around all in wonder how good this road is, because it could lead anywhere, to mystical places and great adventures. Everyone looking down at the actual road see it's a cattle trail filled with mud, piss and dung can quite quickly conclude this lead to the same smelly run down barn as last time, but not Joe, he might notice the odd smell and some weird sinking feeling in the steps but he just keep looking and imagining what could be, until he's right in front of said barn again, then he's pissed. See Ashoka for a more recent example of this.
These review where , 1 is the newcomer, 1 is the average fan, 1 is the deep lore fanboy are the best. You guys work of each other perfectly and it's a fun enjoyable ride! Thanks Joe , OJ and Alex...cheers to you 3 from Canada!
Turns out Galadriel was right about the number three ;]
The only thing that would have saved this series is if it would have been revealed at the end in the finale that Sauron was masquerading as Galadriel the whole time. Pretending to hunt for himself, while holding Galadriel prisoner and turning everyone against each other by starting wars, insurrections and anarchy. Then offers a solution with a forging of rings.
Alex’s energy is peak “ I don’t know what to say you pay me to eat the same shit every week” 😂😂😂
19:50 - it's impossible the Southlands (Mordor) is a week's ride to Eregion because it took Boromir 108 days to travel from Osgiliath to Rivendell for the council of Elrond, which is actually less of a distance than the example used. How skewed and warped are these showrunner's minds to distort small details like this?!
Where does it say he traveled 108 days.
@@alexl.4362 it says 111 days in The Fellowship of the Ring, book 2, ch. 2, "The Council of Elrond"
@@apgmk1970 Sweet.
How many days did it takes Guyladriel to swim through half an ocean? The show has no sense of time and scale.
@@kaltaron1284 it wasn't an ocean, it was the local mariner center KEKW
Thank the Rings of Power for bringing out the best Angry Joe we've seen in a while 😂
When the episode opens with Joe staring blankly with an angry face it’s gonna be a good one
it would have been so epic if Galadriel had actually accepted Saurons offer to become the dark queen.
Facts
And then she finds out how much he earns and dumps him.
Honestly that would've been better writing probably.
"So galadriel, whaddya say?"
"Ah fuck it, why not."
Roll credits.
I was initially hyped for this show...... So disappointing. Sure, they fired the show runners. But what can you do when this was already pushed in a certain direction? There's no fixing it at this point. They'd have to reboot basically.
They didn’t fire the show runners
@@thedeepfriar745 well that's even more disappointing. I thought they brought on new show runners? Welp they clearly don't give a fuuuuuuuucckkkk what fans think. It's not about consumer dollars. It's about investors dollars. That's why these properties don't care about fans. It all goes back to esg and a social credit score. It's unfortunate.
but the question is, why were you hyped in the first place?
@@Euer_Hochwuergen lol. Because I love Tolkiens world and fantasy in general. But...... they just said "🤷meh, let's do our own thing". Fuckers man!
Leaving Numenor: Two whole episodes.
Going from Mordor to Lindon and back to Mordor: A single episode.
Sauron influencing eregion and the rings of power being forged: one episode for 10-20 minutes
@@willb1405 I’m so pissed that the forging of the rings was like 20 minutes, and it was done in the dumbest fucking way, “my name is celebrimbor, I’m dA BeSt eLviSh sMiTh thEre iS, wHat dId yUO sAy, to mAke sOmethung sTronGer yUO HaVe to BoNd two Metals tWo MaKe aN ALloY”
@@primemachine146 the funniest thing is that alloying has been known to smiths since at least 2500 BC. Bronze is an alloy of copper and tin. So apparently the greatest elven smith doesn't have the same knowledge as ancient humans.
@@GeraltofRivia22 ahem, 2nd greatest
@@willb1405 well greatest of his time, obviously his grandfather is the best off all time
"You paid me money and went 'hey you know that big bowl of shit ive been making you taste every week? I want you to taste it again!' Its still a big bowl of shit"
How does Alex come up with this on the fly? Its fucking gold
that had me laughing hard!! great metaphor
lol he's probably had that metaphor stewing inside him for a while
I want the Balrog to show up in season 2 with a bandage on its head because it got hit with that leaf.
Galadriel was saying she's gonna kill Sauron for the longest time. And finally when she found out.. she's keeping silent? I thought she was supposed to be a strong.
The Hairfoot farewell felt longer than all the endings from The Return Of The King, but with zero emotional impact.
Galadriel's zealotry got to such a point that she did a background check behind Halbrands back :D Didn't occur to her before bringing him back to middle earth and helping him declare himself as king of the southlands. Well done Galadriel. Season 1 should be named Galadriel shits the bed because she has bad dreams:)
Galadriel confirmed Amber Herd and Halbrand is Johnny Depp.
The worst part is that even IF they fire the directors and hire someone actually talented, this first season will forever ruin the series. It’s permanently unwatchable now. Shame on the Tolkien Estate for not retaining enough creative control to make a worthy show.
There's a reason why they ramped up production as soon as Christopher Tolkien died. Christopher Tolkien safeguarded his father's work like it was his own. Unfortunately, Tolkien's grandkids were clearly more interested in the money than retaining creative control.
Such a shame to be protected for so long, only to be mishandled on such a scale. LOTR is only one of the greatest pieces of literature in the history of our race.
Took me awhile to realize the entire episode was called "Better Call Sauron". Where Sauron Evildude reveal himself as a powerful lawyer in the entire middle earth.
Would be so funny if that Balrog tease would literally remain a tease. Dwarves seal the dig with a pick and dynamite and the Balrog goes "Aa, shit. I guess I'll wait for the third age."
This show should be studied and given example of on why writing is important. You can have millions and billions but it won’t matter shit if you don’t have good writing. Also a good example why good writers should be acknowledged and recognised.
Sounds like RoP was, at the end, much like how I felt about the Halo TV series: they had butchered and twisted so much of it in order to go through with their own horrible interpretations that by the time the finale came around there was this great weight of apathy that led to me just watching this parody dance around, knowing with vivid realization that this has nothing to do with what I once loved.
Incel Sauron combined with Perfect Galadriel is the picture perfect symbol of modern TV and moviemaking 'message insertion' at the expense of artistic integrity.
A complete disaster.
Don’t forget rewriting everything to reflect san Francisco for the sole sake of “diversity.”
Even though we already have Haradrim…
Couldn’t stay awake past episode 3 but haven’t missed a review video. These reviews are 10x more entertaining and informative than the actual show itself 😂
100% same for me. Not even joking when I tell you my entire family of die hard Tolkien fans fell asleep during the first two episodes.
I tried watching the third episode on my own, and I was subconsciously walking away to do chores because the show was so damn boring I forgot I was watching it. I kept having to force myself to sit down and watch it. Just couldn't.
The reviews are 10x more entertaining than the show itself
I'm in the middle of episode 3, too! Been there for 4 weeks.
"Have you tried mixing metals ?" Seriously? The elves made metal and wooden crafts for ages, Feanor made an incredibly beautiful and durable super resin for his silmarils. He killed other elves using metal swords, in a major historical event called the Kinslaying. OF COURSE THEY KNEW ABOUT USING METALS TO CRAFT !!! "Sauron doesn't know how to make the rings of power" HE WAS THERE WHEN CREATION WAS SUNG INTO BEING AND STUDIED UNDER THE GOD OF SMITHS !!!
Gil-Galahad is hilarious. It's worth watching just to watch Joe mispronounce it and Alex try not to laugh. All hail Gil-Galahad!
Is he related to Galandriel?
@@Spleenzorio how about selembrimbor
1:14:25 Alex's face, when Angry Joe says Gandalf wants to bone Nori, is perfect
He's not the only one trying to figure out the logistics. lmfao
Technically Gandalf is younger than nori if we take his birth as the meteor blast.
Nori is Thicc.
@@alexl.4362 brRrRrRuuUH
It is pretty creepy that this child(nori) was allowed to leave with some random old guy. Like wtf! That shows even more that the hartfoots are terrible people.
I actually couldn't stop laughing at the facial expressions between Galadriel and Sauron when they were screaming at each other. so bad. 😂🤣😂🤣
Same. We had to pause the show me and my wife couldnt stop laughing
Dude that shot is sooo bad… How was it accepted in post production? Like how? I am baffled
Yep, the acting was atrocious. Even with bad writing, great actors will turn chicken shit into chicken pie. They totally effed up the casting.
@@crazyralph6386 yeah this scene wasn't great but those two have been the only two to stand out in the whole series. Especially Charlie Vickers.
Like I get criticism of the acting for the rest of the show. Just seems picking on the two actors that can act makes me think people are just hating on it without understanding why its bad.
@@mb7290 this scene? try the total lack of chemistry throughout 8 episodes???
The heartbroken look on Joe's face at 53:00 when it really hits him what they did to Sauron. ☹️
You mean the part when he realized that Sauron does trick the elves in the book?
Saucon didn't trick anyone, guyladriel is a fucking dumbass who was told the truth and went along with it
@@theeuphioanswer770 no the part where he realizes they made Sauron an Incel instead of a bad ass Dark Lord.
@@ventusbruma1039 How was he an incel? There's so much projection from you weirdos simply because Galadrial is the main character of the show.
@@theeuphioanswer770 he went evil again because the woman he loved didn't love him back. Instead of being the evil lord who revels in evil and wants power like in the Tolkien books. They turned him into a jilted lover for the "shippers" like this was a CW show.
53:40 The horror of realisation on Joe's face is pure gold 😆 🤣 😂
Even though what Joe said, "they" did to Sauron is in the book. Sauron trucks the elves into making the 3 rings. That's canon
I prefer Alex's reaction on 1:14:24 🤣
That's not canon. The elves made their own rings in secret once they began to suspect Annatar wasnt who he said he was. They made them without his knowledge and after they'd mastered the craft through creation of the 9 rings for men and the dwarven rings first.
Sauron was pissed when he discovered there were 3 more rings free from his intended corruption.
That's canon.
@@captbuckyohare5585
So the show doesn't really deviate from the source is my point. Joe said that Sauron made the elvish rings. You confirmed that he did not. Hence, Joe is an idiot.
Sauron literally says, "remember me?" to Adar when he caught up to him. Later when Adar is being questioned, he seems to realize that Halbrand is Sauron.
Feminem, Guyladriel and Girlsildur have to be the best most natural and unanimous nicknames made by a massive fanbase in the last 10 years
Don Lemonless, Totally not Gandalf, and "Missing Celeborn"
Hilarious 😂
Nicknames? I thought this is what Tolkien wrote!!
Don’t forget Slamdalf
"Hey guys I want to signal in a raging bigot but I'm tired of saying woke. Got any ideas?"
Gotta love how House of the Dragon is everything this show wanted to be, and does everything it should have done, but is on the opposite end of the quality spectrum.
18:13 I think Joe is EXACTLY right here. This will be how the next 4 seasons will play out even if zero people watch it.
I usually don't agree with Angry Joe's opinion when it comes to RoP because I think politics heavily skews things but Ep8 was quite weak.
Infact Ep8 was weakest out of the lot, I would give it a 6/10 whereas the others are between 7-8. The pacing was messed. They rushed the rings whereas they spent too long with the Harfoots, it was agonising. Also, I knew it beforehand but to see Halbrand as officially as Sauron was a disappointment. I don't like this whole Sauron Yorkshire accent, unkempt, lad vibe shit. Sauron is grand, he is regel. He needs that Benedict Cumberbatch stroke Matt Smith sort of vibe with a thick, deep London accent, not Northern and ontop of that he looks like a tanned Aussie surfer. He needs to be pale white with dark features.
However I am still optimistic. As a whole the series was a 7+, being Tolkien it should of been a 9 but it still has potential. They need to reverse this whole likely Olorin angle and go with the Blues. He needs ro be a Blue. One good Blue and one cultist Blue in the East. Vickers was mentioning Annatar in his interview, if they bring in Annatar for a second innings with Celebrimor to forge the rest of the rings as Celebrimor is still oblivious to Sauron, this could work. Next season should also focus heavily on Rhun and the Blues.
I mean they're already filming Season 2 so no lessons will be learned and it'll be more of the same shit.
Everything Joe said was more or less how it happens canonically so I’m not sure why that’s a bad thing haha
Probably the only show that I feel both like I'm battered and beaten up over a long journey, but nothing happened in that journey to feel that way. Then there is Andor with a fraction of the budget and whether you like the whole rogue dude doing rogue things or not, the acting and writing is fantastic.
One point, all the Rings were originally made for the Elves. Sauron taught the Elven-smiths how to forge Rings of Power and, after they perfected the craft, they forged 16 Rings of Power. Sauron then left Eregion and gave the Elves time to become addicted to the power of the Rings by using them. It was during this time that Celebrimbor forged the Three without Sauron's oversight or involvement. Sauron then forges the One but when he puts it on, the Elves perceive him and know they & all they wrought with them would be slaves to Sauron's will. They take off the Rings and hide them. Sauron attacks and obtains the 16 Rings. Sauron then gives some of them to men (nine) and dwarves (seven) as a back-up plan. So the Seven and the Nine were originally forged for and used by Elves.
Just repeat this line
they dont have the rights. they dont have the rights, they dont have the rights.
Apperently that will explain everything away lol
@@Azhrei2000 Movie canon, not book canon
Yes, and made a thousand years before Elendil was even born.The Elven rings also held to power over the Elves because they resisted it's evil. Anyone that makes excuses that peter Jackson made changes also needs to look at the time of events and see just how much Amazon has flat out ignored huge parts of the story and compare it to how he adapted it.
The elven rings were made in secret, the others were made before them. Also as Alex said, we had more time spent on the Harfoots goodbyes than on the actual forging of the Rings.
@@Deanof316. A show about rings, but the rings are an afterthought.
Watching that king on his deathbed after seeing House of the Dragon… yikes. I was laughing.
Alex's Depression weighs heavily on this section of Reviews.. just 1minute Alex looks like he's scolded by teachers who punished him for more Homework.. and bullies insulted him in college and got himself Grounded by parents.. all in one day
I know because of inflation you can't compare them 1:1, but I think the amount of money they spent on this first season is supposed to be what 750 million? And the total for the Peter Jackson trilogy was 280M? It is absolutely mind boggling the production difference between the two. The battle of Helms Deep and Pelennor Fields vs. a tiny skirmish of 100 vs. 100 in a village.
280m for the Jackson trilogy is the equivalent of about 480m today
Thank you Alex for pointing out the most ridiculous thing first! Clear winner (and there were many competitors) was Halbrand instructing Celebrimbor on smithing and crafting. That was the dumbest moment so far in an astoundingly dumb show. Couldn't believe what I was seeing and hearing.
Any one with any bit of brain should have turned off the show right there.
Have you tried mixing metals?
@@KalleLagerlof If he'd introduced electricity to it or something more modern, I'd understand, but it was literally just smelting.
its not
sauron served under the smith god
and was a god level smith himself
Show me where Tolkien wrote that Celebrimbor wasn't a retard?!
"Sauron, The Incel" had me laughing with Joe's reaction for like 4 minutes.
Joes channel is the probably only one on RUclips where I will literally sit back and watch an entire hour and a half video about an opinion..
Btw I tried to defend this show but they brought Gandalf into the show and are fucking baiting isildurs death it’s depressing that the writing is so bad they actually might kill him off
I see it as Joe roasting anything he dislike
you might want to check "the predator review" by mauler, thank me later
All the Red Letter Media reviews are great but the Mr Plinkett Star Wars Reviews are must-watch type of content if you’ve never seen them
Check out ALL things Disparu, I PROMISE you'll laugh endlessly
Ah same 😊😊 love having the guys on in the background ranting 😂 probably says something about me but dammit these vids relax me 😂💯
The jokes in this review made me laugh more than all the episodes of She-Hulk season 1 combined. What a trio!!! 😂😂😂
1 laugh from AJS would have been enough to achieve that.
I farted and scared my cat. That gave me more laughs than she-hulk season 1!
I have been really into your reviews on shows and movies lately. I just wanted to say I appreciate that you give everything a fair shot no matter your thoughts going in. Secondly I really love the 3 different views. Someone who super loves the lore, someone in the middle and then someone who is just seeing the show based on it's merits with no bias. Love you guys!
Would it not have made more sense for Sauron to either let the elves leave middle-earth, or perish.. Rather than assisting them with life saving mithril rings? 🤔
I know he wants to control them in the books via his ‘gifts’ - but in the show they seem to have created a rather large plot hole here? (as a potentially better option for Sauron of removing the elves as a threat to his rise to power has now become available).
They really cocked up the whole forging storyline. In the books, Sauron wears a disguise of an elf sent by the gods to help Celebrimbor create items of light and goodness and deceives him into forging the rings. Over the course of 300 years they fashion the 9 rings for men first (the weaker rings and easiest to corrupt) then improve with the dwarven rings. And soon after, the king, Galadriel, and others begin to suspect Sauron. In the meantime, Celebrimbor decides to use everything hes lesrned to fashion the 3 elven rings, free of Saurons influence, in an effort to make true weapons of pure beauty and purity at the height of his skills.
For a while they are effective in strengthening the elves until Sauron forges the One Ring. From then on, the elves avoid using their rings in case they fall under the ring of power's influence.
What they did in the show skips all that and now it makes very little sense.
The only reason Sauron helped with the forging of the Rings in this one is because he wanted to get into Galadriel's pants. That's it.
Only thing i can think of is he wants to control rather than send them off so he can use them against the valar.
@@captbuckyohare5585 well to clarify. The 16 rings of power was first meant for the elves not for the men and dwarves.
Honestly this show is unironically hilarious whenever you put any thought into at all. I think it's secretly a parody!
It has gotten to the point that I find it really hard to imagine the show being SO unbelievably badly written that it is becoming a perfect satire of its source material. Like think about it, Galadriel, the empathic and thoughtful elven sorceress is turned into an emotionless warrior looking for revenge and falling for Sauron?
It's actually really good imo Lotr fans hate it but keep watching it and will continue to watch the next season of the show..
@@eriktorres6067 U paid by Amazon to say that ?
This is how I treated the show from the start, I watched it every week just to laugh at how bad it is
Not the good kind, though. No one takes their pants off!
I’m sure everyone’s favorite part was the harfoots saying how much they’ll miss each other for twenty minutes.
Joe did a great job facilitating this, bringing the anger that we all feel and making it super entertaining and filling the conversation, but also giving other Joe and Alex time to voice their opinions on it. Literally the only reason I finish the series was so I could watch this review and a few others. Well done, thanks for going through it fellas. Lol
Same me. I didnt finish the series without Joe.
He's going to be branded a HUWITE supremacist now, because you know.......legitimate criticism and all that shit, smfh.