I want to add something here regarding the frost resistance on Sapphiron: I've been approached by multiple people who raided naxxramas on lauch day on private servers who said they managed to get enough frost resistance gear from other sources before the patch going live, and that even though it was suboptimal frost resistance gear (compared to what drops and can be crafted when naxx is out) it was sufficient for them to kill Sapphiron. If this is indeed the case and is also a viable tactic on classic, then I'll definitely suspect top guilds to clear it within a few hours. Hope that clears things up!
you can do it with zero frost resistance lol its been done on private servers and will be demolished here as well day 1 many many will clear it and this guy will look dumb just like every other video he's made on the subject...
@@CtheDead209-zt8tj You like several other people keep saying it can be done with 0 frost resistance and that it's been done on private servers. Yet I've seen 0 evidence so far, so show me some. You can't expect me to simply believe you when I've done Sapphiron myself on private servers, and there's tons of guides out there saying a ton of frost resistance is mandatory. It's all that evidence and several people who reached out to me saying they did it still with a good a mount of frost resistance versus your bold claim of completely ignoring the frost resistance supported by literally no evidence or arguments whatsoever...
@@HamsterWheelGaming I did a bit of research and I indeed found no evidence of people downing vanilla Sapphiron with 0 frost resistance unbuffed. All the forum discussions regarding Sapphiron and 0 resistance were concerning WotLK Sapphiron, not vanilla/classic.
@@juhomantynen4638 Same here, so I have no idea how these people claim it can be done with 0 frost resistance and not one of them have even elaborated on their claim when I asked them to.
@@HamsterWheelGaming People just love to "prove" a youtuber wrong. Some things are up to debate like whether or not Naxx will be easy because difficulty is often a subjective thing. This resistance thing though is just blatantly wrong, no question about it.
The one thing you can’t regain in classic is the mystery and lack of/limited information. We know all there is to know about classic, what’s most effective and what strats to use. A quick google search will make mostly any content doable. So I don’t think it will be hard at all. I can’t say it will be easy but it won’t be hard by any means for most people.
Well just because you know the strats, doesn't mean it's automatically easy though. There's tons of guides out there for really hard videogames, but those guides don't automatically make the content trivial. You still have to execute whatever strategy they're recommending to a tee, and same goes for naxx. It will definitely be easier than retail vanilla wow, but I'd say still pretty hard for most raiding guilds.
I partially agree. I think as he pointed out all the raids thus far have been pretty trivial because of itemization and knowledge. The interesting part of that is many guilds haven't really been tested. I think AQ and Naxx will be the first time commitment will be measured; will people be willing to bash their head against a wall for 3+ hours a week without any feeling of progression for weeks on end? Not to mention to gold sink that comes along with doing so. So far even normal casual guild such as my own have made significant progress each week on raids, relatively quickly moving to having raids on farm; there really hasn't been any major frustration related to raiding other than perhaps who gets/doesn't get certain gear.
Sorry dude, majority of players still fuck up basic mechanics on Ony. They still fuck up on Firemaw. You can't tell me Naxxx is going to be easy for 95% of the Classic playerbase.
Let me rephrase this for Beau. It will not be as competetive as it was in vanilla. The trial an error era is over therefore? Its like going on a scavenger hunt when you already know where everything is hidden. And yes there will always be terrible players. But the point is its easier competetively because computers and knowledge have upgraded
Played it on private servers and am playing in a top10 speedrun guild in classic. 100% most guilds that prepare and have geared tanks for 4H will clear it first week, every good guild will do it in one normal length raid night. Naxx40 is about the difficulty of Uldir Heroic from retail, it just threw some weird design curveballs that caught people put back in vanilla, like 4H. Nothing is mechanically all that challenging or all that hardly tuned. Most guilds have the DPS to kill patchwerk right now in their BWL gear without worldbuffs (the math has been done on this).
was thinking that aswell, people doin 1000dps average on most bosses in BWL, i belive that wasnt the case at all in vanilla so dps check bosses are just a steamroll
@@TheGamerReaper ZG fish boss trinket gives 10% spell hit (for taunt) on a 1min 15sec cooldown and is what most good guilds will be aiming to use at the start. Even without it 4Hman is doable, it's just a bit less stable with taunt resists.
Warriors in MC gear in Classic are doing more damage than warriors in Naxx gear during Vanilla. You can't use pservers as a benchmark for difficulty since it is well known that a lot of values for things like armor and ppm were just made up because of lack of information. Naxx will, sadly, be a joke to all but the most casual of guilds. Simply put, vanilla raiding wasn't as hard as we all thought it was.
when even in my guild are making drama about +4stats instead of +3, no wonder it is not hard, one thing i like about classic that it is not hard, dunno about tbc, i read some comments from ppl who play on pservers and they said that min/max is even worse than in vanilla..... fking hate it
I'm using it as a benchmark because unfortunately it's really the only benchmark we have till now. Apart from retail vanilla naxx but good luck finding solid numbers from 14 years ago, I tried and failed.
Agreed, and things like all the priest and druid buffs, no cast times on Arcane Explosion ect they kept buffing classes as opposed to nerfing content in general. Since day 1 everyone's had a massive advantage over O.G retail but then the other argument is what about all the bugs those patches fixed.
Guilds like APES will more than likely clear within the first 12 hrs of it being opened, and "streamer" guilds will also be likely to clear in week 1 or maybe week 2, and normal guilds will likely take around the same amount of time as HC (NOT mythic) raids in retail.
@@HamsterWheelGaming Same way they did with Fire res in MC and BWL, pretty sure people said and still says you need fire res in MC and BWL, yet MC was cleared with the majority of the raid still being below lvl 60 and with greens with little to no fire res. The only boss i can see be a problem is 4 horsemen, as of right now. Also I never said i was sure about any of this, but previous raids seems to indicate a trend, and considering some of the "pro" raiders already do more dps now, than people did in Naxx vanilla. When APES got WF on Rag they downed him much much faster than most raid geared raids in vanilla would have done, I know gearing is different now, but that doesnt change the fact that APES cleared MC with gear so bad, that very few people would have thought it to possibly in such short amount of time, before classic launch. The raid will likely still be hard for the bigger part of the player base. Also who the F knows, classic have been a cluster-F so far when it comes to these estimates.
As Garosh said :"Times change" Everything is different now, back in the days you didn't have so much guide, or you didn't even know how to search,people got more mehanics in later exp and more spells, so it's not that hard,only hard part about raid is grinding for buffs
You don't need the world buffs lol dps literally if they can pull 3-400 dps will decimate this raid not a si gle boss is going to take more than 6-7 mins to down...
@Hamsterwheel will outheal the damage easily. Have you seen the low hps numbers Nihilun and Death and Taxes were doing in Naxx whilst they keyboard turned and clicked their way to world firsts? Doing a lot more damage to shorten fights and outhealing the damage will let them stomp bosses.
Simply no. Even with no Frost resist. The top guilds are going to be geared and buffed out to the teeth. I think Saph will get melted crazy fast before the Frost damage becomes an issue.
I don't think you can really ignore a massive 210 to 250 frost resistance on your melees, that's a huge damage reduction and expecting healers to simply deal with everyone getting massive amounts of damage more doesn't seem realistic.
@@HamsterWheelGaming Honestly you're not wrong. IT will be really interesting to see how the top guilds tackle that. For some reason I just see Saph getting blown the fuck down from there insane DPS.
@@HamsterWheelGaming Yeah, but this isn't Northdale where every raid is buffed. You'd need 160 tops these days. Mythic raiding and M+ just made people insanely good at the game that I don't doubt for a second that it will be cleared week one, probably even day one. Non-buffed vanilla WoW and TBC were REALLY easy compared to the pace of current retail content. (But screw getting invested in the current patch :P)
@@mr.voidroy6869 Because that guy actually had some credentials and further explained why they were able to get past Sapphiron. He actually had a compelling argument and said that his guild was able to gather frost resistance fore naxxramas went live. I mean it's not about the opinion its about what you use in terms of compelling arguments. People who say 'lmao naxx will be cleared in less than an hour' and then give no explanation as to why are ofcourse comments I'm going to take in question. But if people actually take a minute to explain WHY they think naxx will be cleared and give compelling arguments, I might actually change my mind, like that guy did...
@@HamsterWheelGaming You continue to ignore math. Saph in classic has 3million hp. A 40man raid runs 28ish dps. Dps now are hitting 900-1000 dps with MC/BWL gear. With AQ gear in the mix we can assume the average raid dps with easily be 1000 with no world buffs. EASILY. 28 dps at 1000 dps is 28,000 raid dps (not including tanks). 28,000 times 60 seconds is 1.7million damage. This means Saph will die in less than 2 minutes. With world buffs, tank dps, and pots, Saph will die in most likely a little over 1min. Healers can out heal Saphs damage by burning their mana for that long. You do not need frost res for Saph. You also lost credibility because you said Patchwerk will have little wiggle room for his enrage. Patchwerk has 4million hp and a 7min enrage timer. Pathwerk using the same math will take a little over 2mins to kill leaving roughly 5 minutes of wiggle room. Thats a lot. Check yourself before you release a video like this.
I think we are all in agreement that Naxx will be steamrolled by top guilds. But, believe it or not, not every guild performs at this level. This video is aimed at the broader playerbase that Classic has attracted and raises some important issues for average/middling guilds to keep in mind. Will Patchwerk be an issue for a large majority of guilds? No. Will the Four Horsemen and others prove to be a challenge for those who aren't familiar with the fights? Yes. Will Frost Resistance be a factor on Sapphiron for all but the best guilds? Yes. I really don't understand why the metric of difficulty is solely determined by what the most experienced and hardcore players can achieve.
@@terrencedouglas375 I thinking more and more I want fresh 1-70 tbc server, WIll solve more problems than any other way they coould do TBC classic servers. Imo
@@failbait3020 yea. I'd like everyone start fresh. Instead of a bunch of 60s from classic having an advantage. This way also, people can still play on their classic toons too
Tbh any guild that wants to do this live, all they gotta do is download any good stock vanilla server and practice there with every buff/consumable they want, not to mention information is easier to acess, a lot is simply easier, but I still get it, even if you know the dynamics of throwing a punch, you're still punching a concrete wall in the end so its still gonna hurt.
Naxx was hard due to the unknown and the limited time people had. With everything being code sniffed and theorycrafted to death, and private server practice, it will be finished within a few hours.
@@Fliptality Uh? Naxx was and is hard as fuck. It repeated history by killing guilds, and players left, right, and centre. Just because a bunch of high performing guilds that practiced on their own PTRs before Naxx came out, and cleared it in the first day/week doesn't mean Naxx wasn't hard.
@@Babaganoosh69 Lets look at the numbers/facts first, so we can see how dumb and clueless you actually are: On my Server: 36 guilds (including 1 PUG) @15/15 , 4 guilds @14/15 , 6 guilds @ 13/15 (including 2 PUG's) , 5 guilds @ 12/15 , 1 guild @ 11/15 , 1 @10/15 only counted logs that happend in 2021 to filter out any dead (not dad) guilds. Thats only 68% of guilds on my server who cleared Naxx. oMg NaXx iS sO hArD!!! Yes some(!) guilds have disbanend or teamed up with others, mostly due to the lack of healers you need to progress past Saphiron. But its not even close to the numbers from 15 years ago. Naxx is not hard, it never was. History DID NOT repeat itself. Not even close. Come on? 0.1% of players? LMAO. Stop listening to idiots like Hamsterwheel. this guy is a clueless and a scam. one last thing: go to warcraftlogs and see four yourself. wordwide more than 90% of the active guilds cleared that joke of a place Naxx is. and now please shut up u fool
@@Fliptality The 0.1% was misleading but correct. No one wanted to clear Naxx live because of how quickly TBC was coming up. Naxx isnt hard its just a huge gold investment and unless you are a serious guild takes 2 raid days to clear. (Assuming you raiding days are 3 hours a day like most other guilds). I would say Naxx is more tedious than hard and you are right a big reason for it being "hard" is that so many people just dont want to raid Naxx even now. If you are in a dad guild and you raid Naxx you are gonna see a lot of people hit the dust.
You seem kinda delusional. Classic WoW is not comparable with overly boosted private servers nor players are as bad as they were in vanilla. Same as hard mode Hakkar was cleared immediately, Naxxramas will be cleared within an hour and something immediately after release. This game is not challenging for current players.
How am I delusional? I said that pretty much all wings would be cleared within no-time by top guilds and only raised questions in regards to the frost wing. I never said they wouldn't clear it, only that there's certain hurdles that are in the way.
because you think only too guilds will clear this the first week lol an average retail raid guild will demolish nax lol most guild will have this on lockdown week 1... your lists of consumables is laughable at best if you find any raid in classic hard then your a bad player...
@@CtheDead209-zt8tj 'an average retail guild' but were talking about classic here, not retail. These are guilds in classic, so I don't understand why you're comparing apples with oranges. They probably could, but we're talking about guilds that as of right now play classic wow who will attempt to clear naxxramas. List of consumable laughable? How so? These are very basic consumables who have been used on vanilla private servers for years. Ofcourse private servers aren't classic, but they're as of right now the only comparison we have to old school naxx.
@@HamsterWheelGaming but you also said you wondered if even the top guilds could clear it in the 1st week. there's a big discrepancy between clearing it in no time and not clearing it in the 1st week.
Eazy to calculate, see how much Hp boss have, divide that with how many dps you have(25-28) and see how many dmg each dps must do... As i see how much dps some people do they will melt Naxx like every other raid lol
10000% guaranteed hands down no question asked top guilds will use 0 frost resistance and clear naxx in sub 2 hours after entering the instance (outside of bugs preventing them from it)
@@HamsterWheelGaming Well the way to combat not having full frost res and still wanting to kill it on day 1 is basicly to just go with an excess amount of healers. You can still get basicly 25% resistance by just having auras , totems and aspects and then u can also use resistance potions, chromatic flasks and all that shit so resistance gear is just not needed when ur classstacking as hard as guilds like Apes will do. I expect sapphiron to die on the very first pull. The only thing that would likely to kill them at all in Naxx would be the hard hitting bosses like patch , grobbolus, maexxna etc but theese guilds like Apes are way to good. Esp since i know from experience having raided with some of them for over a year in TBC.
Naxx 40 is going to get steamrolled, just like MC, BWL, ZG, AQ20, and AQ40. That's just the way it is now. Everyone has the luxury of information nowadays, which didn't exist back in Vanilla. Server hardware is better, player hardware is better, more addons are available, player skill level has risen over the years, guides are available, videos can be watched, streamers can be followed, Reddit discussions, the list just goes on and on. All of this (and more) will make Naxx 40 so much easier relative to its original state.
Dude, you Are Naxxramas as far as im concerned. I was a casual player back in the day and had no idea such a hard core raid was in existence. Really enjoyed your Naxx vids and am looking forward to seeing how people handle it this time around. Not speed clearing guilds but average groups and possibly pugs and I think it'll be a lot of fun. With or without the right gear and resistances!
You've also got to consider all the class buffs upto 1.12 as well, in most cases Blizzard didn't nerf content on next teir releases rather they applied buffs to certain classes. I.E Arcane Explosion had a cast time till near the end of the expansion, Fury warriors didnt get Bloodthirst till the minor patch after BWL, priest and druids had several beneficial healing buffs as well.
Do you do any preliminary research before you make these videos? Patchwerks dps 'check' is a joke and people in MC/BWL gear are already doing way more damage than they'd need to kill him before the enrage. Every single video you make about classic you consistently fail to take into account the massive leap in player skill.
Hamster, i got a question mate. I saw that in one of your videos you had a character named Brotalnia and I wonder how did you think of that, because a couple of years ago there was a really cool bulgarian youtuber named that way. Are you related in any way
Haha good question! Brotalnia is a really cool dude who we owe a ton in the private server community. He made his own repacks of private servers, which anyone can download and mess around with. In those repacks, one of the pre-made characters is called Brotalnia. I just happened to use that character to film some stuff, hence why the name popped up in one of my videos :)
How is it possible that you still think the content is hard, you played private server we get it. Have you been playing classic, please adjust your opinion to the current environment jesus this is a bad take "most guilds wont step foot in Naxx" dude what game are you playing?
The only difficult encounter in Naxx will be 4HM. And by difficult I mean having enough taunt hit capped warriors. The actual raid mechanics are a total joke for all bosses, we all know this. Sapphiron will not require a single bit of frost resistance gear because he will be melted like a trash mob.
Melted like a trash mob? I mean he has 3,000,000 health and has phases in the air where most of the raid won't be hitting him. But sure, he'll die in 30 seconds.
Kevin Kostyk he only goes into the air after 45 seconds and won’t be up there for long, only casting 6 spells and then coming down and staying down for just over a minute Even with full melee he won’t live long
Pretty much everyone who touched Naxx back then say it wasn't really all that hard, but a lot of underlying factors made it hard such as Vanilla having very linear gear progression, computer specs of the time, raider burnout, etc. Raider burnout/poaching is going to be an interesting aspect to Naxx, but the idea that players will struggle with the mechanics of any of these fights is kind of laughable and so far all the resistance checks the game has thrown at us has been rolled over so Saph being scurry is pretty unlikely.
This is one thing i have an issue with though with people not adding in "But they were wrong" when it comes to naxx gear and TBC (Example below): Warbringer Helm (T4 tank version): +15 STR +17 AGI +53 Stam +24 Def +19 Block Rating (About 0.5% block) +39 Block Value (Meta and Blue socket) OR Helm of the Stalwart Defender (Prebis BoE BS crafted): +47 Stam +23 Resilience ( = - 0.23%ish dmg) +23 Def (Red Yellow Blue Socket) Dreadnaught helm (T3): +21 STR +45 Stam +14 Def +1% Dodge OR Conquerors helm (T2.5): +29 STR +18 AGI +34 Stam +6 Def Unless your guild stopped at BWL the gear from classic is equal to if not better (On some classes) than the "Pre-BiS" of TBC. Blizzard was BAD at itemization in Vanilla so much that it rippled into the next expansion (think thunder fury) where they tried so scale it back by doing a small power creep. (Most of the issue w modern wow is that its not a slow creep but huge jumps but thats a separate issue / topic than this one)
I think a majority of tanks arent ready for the fire mage threat that's going to hit their threat meters in the face. Horde are probably most screwed by this. Half of classic wow raiders are drunk or stoned while playing. Wipes will happen just from people zoning out. Safety dance might not be as hard since most people are on high speed internet now.
Honestly I would disagree. AQ maybe since fire wil then be the new way to go, but I think when naxx hits fire mages will have had enoughn practice and as long as they have both Ignition and a decent threat meter they should be able to coordinate the ignite ticks accordingly. 'Should' tho, cause I'm sure there will still be idiots who will overaggro and wipe the raid :)
Opinion: anyone able to clear heroic raids on retail will have no issue with naxx. The problem is getting 40 people of that skill level, many people get carried by doing the bare minimum.
I think you can get away with 10 people (probably less) with that kind of skill and 30 people that are just good enough to not stand in the fire, or execute their rotation decently. The only reason any of this stuff was hard back in the day was generally because some of the encounters were way over-tuned, the lack of gear (resistances mostly) and the lack of information. They know all of this stuff ahead of time and they've had time to farm up the relevant gear they will need. I am willing to bet Naxx will be full cleared by the first guild that enters it, on their first try. I suspect this will happen within the first 5 - 7 days. They have been practicing these raids for over a decade on private servers. The runs have been so finely tuned that the only complications they will encounter will be due to the subtle differences between the retail client and the private server clients.
ElGallo probably, we’ll see how much harder things get in a couple months with AQ. My train of thought was that AQ would be comparable to normal with naxx closer to heroic.
The crafted frost res set is going to be multiple hundreds, if not 1000+ gold, and it's highly probable it isn't even going to be necessary. I'd say most decent raiders are already sniping frost res BOE's from the AH while they're cheap and will zone in with enough frost res in their inventory to down sapph easily. I really can't imagine many guilds waiting until they farm frozen runes and THEN full clear, they'll want to blast the first or second night, and they probably will.
We should be able to see if we actually need that much frost resist when aq40 comes out by people trying huhuhrun with less nature gear then recommended
Seeing as Molten Core was easy as piss, I expect Naxx to go in a similar fashion, then people will immediately be screaming "WHERE IS BC!!!". Somehow expecting Blizztard to not fuck that up, lol.
Guilds like APES are not the norm, for sure they will clean Naxx the first day. I'm on a 25 member guild, BWL is quite hard for us right now, we're not the norm either. Naxx will be really hard for casual guilds and non maxmin players.
Yeah and some other people explained that to me as well, so I changed my mind on that. I still think Patchwerk is a bit of a gearcheck, but not because of dps but because of the hateful strikes that do a ton of damage. I should have mentioned that in this video but ah well, hindsight is always 20/20
AQ40 and Naxx will still require people to do the mechanics properly and they were never nerfed unlike MC and BWL which were both nerfed several times which is what is reflected in the 1.12 era client we have.
That's the one thing that makes me laugh is how guilds (even mine) spends an hour b4 raid getting all the world buffs just to steam roll raids a little faster when just skipping them and prolly having a just as long maybe even shorter time without getting them because how long it takes to get all the buffs. I feel like AQ and and Naxx will really be the only challenge for most guilds, yes most guilds will clear it fairly easily if they know how to prepare and aren't bad at the game. I mean most pugs can't clear BWL and a lot of guilds still wipe on these simple encounters some will definitely struggle in AQ and Naxx and might get burnt out over all the farming necessary. I personally don't care too much about farming all t3 gear and getting BiS for my toon but would at least like to clear all Naxx and AQ just to have finally cleared all the raid content that classic offers. If not can always wait till TBC since prepping for raids (at least on the consumable side isn't as ridiculous).
It's 2020, and I really hope people can distinguish between mechanically hard and just overtuned. Classic Naxxramas = overtuned, Professor Putricide Heroic = mechanically hard. Just an example off the top of my head.
My raid in original vanilla didn't get world buffs for Patchwerk and we still killed it, it's all about the healers keeping the tanks up, the DPS will be easy.
Tank meta being completely different in 2020 than what it was in 2006 will make it so much easier. Suddenly mages and warlocks are capable of pumping a lot more damage and not having to wait for tanks to generate more threat.
Gonna be cleared in couple hours by top guilds. Many underestimate how bad some players are though. I sure as hell wouldn't pug or go there with any random dumpster tier guild, it would be take so fucking long to clear it or wipe till calling it a day.
Top guilds will clear it in few hours from release. Semi-hc guilds will 1-2 weeks to clear Casual guilds will either clear it in months or not clear it at all.
Cleared in just over one hour on lights hope with severely buffed armor values on all bosses. With the melee buffs, lower armor values and a easier to keep up ignite in classic it will get completely steamrolled, expect sub one hour runs during the first DMF week: ruclips.net/video/SbmEZUIgOAI/видео.html
Not so sure about the FR requirements, i mean everybody said u gonna need alot of NR for Huhuran and Viscidus when in reality u just need some NR/Poison pots, no need for resi gear at all, just DPS
I think most people are seeking that original naxx experience, but it's just not going to be the same. I never did naxx back in the day, and I'm all in until my guild clears it, but I'm aware that is is going to be no where as difficult as it was. The information available will garentee that the experience will never be the same. There is a snowball effect too, where everyone knowing bis and srats resulted in early MC farm which results in early BWL farm, and so forth. Your average guild is going to be insanely more geared than your average guild back in the day. Add onto that the fact all the boss strategies are now known, and the result will be most guilds that are farming BWL now clearing naxx first, maybe second week.
Will be cleared on release. Resist gear is gonna be as necessary as it is in MC- i.e. not at all, sapph is gonna be a joke. 4 horsemen are also a non issue since every serious raiding guild will have 20+ raid ready warriors. All in all, it'll be about as challenging as wotlk naxx10
One thing to say is Even if naxx was still as hard as we thought it was, It would be completely dwarfed in difficulty by ICC and Dragon Soul heroic, two of the hardest raids in all of WoW from what i remember.
wait you were in Chaos on VG? i was one of the founders of that guild haha! crazy to see how far the guild got after i quit. :) we were called Exodus before we renamed to Chaos
Just by checking here : www.method.gg/raid-history you can see that players during Vanilla were clearing 90% of Naxxramas without any WB stack and less gear than we already have even before AQ. Just look at some videos, they have T1 gear with some T2... Naxxramas will be stompted like the others raids unfortunatly.
I never had the chance to try Naxx back in vanilla/TBC, so I'm kinda looking forward for it this time. That being said I'm hoping that it will be difficult, but not too difficult as I don't have the luxury of time to grind consumables like I used to.
Did you all read the title of the video?? It's thoughts and predictions. If you think the video is simply wrong or stupid that's probably because you have not considered the scope of the audience this video was made for. I played vanilla but didn't raid therefore this video provides a great baseline of information. All you private server hard asses need to watch the video, hit like, and move on.
If they release BC without making a separate client/servers I will be pretty annoyed. It's fine to be able to clone your characters from Classic onto a BC server but if they just replace Classic with BC...I already did that transition. I just want to clear AQ and Naxx boi and not have to worry about another expansion coming out and replacing the original game when it's an expansion that already came out so long ago.
when it comes to the frost resist gear you can farm the Word of Thawing before killing any bosses and just reseting the instance to then having rogues stealth there way in there grabbing the runes. this could all be done in a single day it would mean all raiders would need like 4 extra max level rogues (no gear is needed) and the ability to enter naxx farm the frozen runes for the day on the alts and boom all raiders have all the glacial/icebane/icy scale/polar gear they can get. with everybody having a single rogue alt it would still only be 4 days (the runes reset daily) frost resist gear is the least of these top guilds issue when it comes to clearing naxx day one or week one. the bigger issue is just normal gear. a lot of the gear in naxx is needed to clear naxx. this was the nature of these raids with AQ and moving forward weeks of farming gear in the instance to get better stated gear deeper into the raid. we see it in all of TBC and and WotLK it wasn't until cata this was idea was let go.
At the earliest, I think we'll have TBC 4-5 months after Naxx release. And that is my EARLIEST prediction. I think 6-8, heck maybe even 9 months is more likely.
Yes. Naxxramas is divided into 4+1 parts. You can only go to the last part if you cleared all the other four. You have to clear each individual quarter linearly but you can chose which order you clear them. The enterance of the dungeon is in the very middle and after you killed the final boss of a quarter you can teleport back to the middle and chose another quarter. In the North-East there is the Spider Quarter (which is considered the easiest of the four) with three bosses: Anub'rekan, GW Faerlina and Maexxna. In the South-Easth the Plague Quarter with Noth, Heigan and Loatheb. In the South-West the Military Quarter (which is usually considered the hardest) with Razuvious, Gothik and the infamous 4 Horse Man. In the North-West there is the Construct Quarter with four bosses: Patchwerk, Grobbulus, Gluth and Thaddius. If you cleared all four of these (13 bosses) you gain access to the Frostwyrm Lair with Sapphiron and Kel'thuzad.
Due to itemization and Talent changes and knowledge/strats being out there, We all have been clearing content so quickly and easily we will still be over geared just from the fact that it didnt take months to clear mc/bwl/aq . Meaning the entire guild as a whole will be more geared than most guilds were that even made it to naxx back in the day. A lot of guilds never even full cleared AQ and stepped into naxx. I do think Naxx will still be a problem for guilds though which may add frustration and fun.
2 and half hours tops for world first, all serious guilds 2 raid days tops. Private servers were buffed intentionally and unintentionally. People don't play classic for challenge they play it because it feels rewarding
6:25 hahah before weekly reset. Well you were kinda right, people did clear it before weekly reset. In fact i was even more right. I said 1+ hour.. And guess what? ;D It took them 90 minutes ; ) ) )
Given the amount of players who actually made it to KT in the original, the prep time just to enter the raid not to mention the entry quests. If you think this is gonna be easy you need your head read
I will actually don't give a crap if so Blizzard intends to release BC the day after releasing Naxxramas. I'm here to get a second chance to clear out all of the content of classic. I will honestly not give a crap of BC before that goal is reached. I will continue to pursue that goal even after BC is released or not if I for some reason haven't down KT yet. As HW also said, this is probably the last chance to do it.
First of all if you ever played real Naxx you cannot go there and tank as fury---> the trash mobs require 400+ defence and prot or you can be 1 shoted--->which takes us to the first conclusion : you cannot speedrun. Secondly naxx fights are not tank and spank as BWL. The most important thing was to survive. And 3rd and most important: Let's hope they will release the original Naxx 1.12 and not some NERFED-reddit version
you are massively over estimating difficulty of Naxx i think you should take your private server vanilla " Me and my guild did Naxx it's soo hard and we are hardcore "ego out of your videos and approach with more logic
I can’t seriously think that after seeing how easily these top builds are sprinting through current raids in Classic, that they will have any trouble with naxx or even AQ40. Top gear characters and true coordination between everybody in Raid, knowing exactly how the fights will go down lead me to think it’s easy street for these guilds.
everyone can easily parse 85+ my guild everyone usually pulls 95+ you think back in actual classic they were pulling those numbers without optimized rotations. This is going to be easy small learning curve but nothing else.
Honestly I don't think Blizzard will announce TBC classic servers for at least 6 months after Naxx comes out, they aren't stupid enough to make that mistake twice.
Over 100 Guild will clear it first week even Semi Casual Guilds. Top 20 Guilds will 1 shot every boss and it'll be a race to see who kills it fist probably 2-3 hours only due to how big the raid is not because the content is hard. Guessing for Sapphiron you might see people run 60 Frost Resist but even then I would be surprised more than likely they just kill the boss in 2 minutes.
i played in a guild that took bwl buffs few days before raid and people didnt log on on their mains for days , to not lose buffs ... imagine how tryhard are people for 2 mechanics per boss
World record I believe is a little over an hour private servers are scaled differently than what blizzard is doing and i think 80% of the raid is easy only challenge will be maybe 2 bosses 3 at best. Coming from a person who did real Naxx it wasnt hard, the only challenge was working around blizzards crappy encounter bugs and server lag/crashes. I'm one of the first to say Naxx is not hard at all it has a stigma for reasons that have nothing to do with the encounters if you have 2 brain cells you'll clear the raid.
You are incorrect on the world buffs and pots, my old guild used to kill all wings except death knight wing with 0 issues without protection potions and without world buffs.
No, everyone will go in over geared and have all the fights down. Soccer moms will still be healing and that guy no one really likes will still be tanking. It's like watching a movie you like but seen a hundred times, while someone keeps stopping and rewinding over and over again until you just cant stand the movie. Meanwhile they make wild accusations about how the ending will be but you already know. Quit months ago and wished I wouldve just remembered how it was, not this version.
Yes, kinda. I have more worries people worrying about theorycrafting i.e. on Patchwork. 🙄 'NO, MAN! The one with the second most HP gets the hateful strike.' 'STFU! The one with the 2nd most aggro gets them!' We even had that discussion on WotLK.
I cleared Naxx in Vanilla, hunters dont require 200 FrostR, it's 150 max. Sapphiron is not hard, it's a just frost Ragnaros. KT also isn't a stacking boss. Four Horseman is the hardest boss.
I'll never understand. How getting the UBRS buff, and Only buff... To do BWL in 2020 is "making the raid faster" .... How? How?! It's absurd lol. It's like a ninja armed to the teeth facing a child and taking 20 mins to put on hulk gloves; to make the beat down more efficient.
This is almost as dumb as the guy who said it would take months to down Ragnaros. Guilds like Apes and Progress will clear it the same night it releases, and they would clear it once again the same day on their alts if they feel like doing it straight away. 100+ Guilds will clear it inside the first reset. Patchwerk a gear check, yea. If your raid is doing an average of 300dps in AQ gear.
I think you are overestimating classic. I think we will have our first full clear same day as release. I think we will have 90% of all raiding guilds clearing it within the month of release. Private servers and classic are different. Patchwork will be steamrolled.
@@HamsterWheelGaming Well even if they miss the world first, cause last time i think they came world 3d on Bwl cause of a bug or something(I mean there are other guilds also that are top-notch), they will definitely crush it cause they are so experienced players, cant wait to see it!
I want to add something here regarding the frost resistance on Sapphiron:
I've been approached by multiple people who raided naxxramas on lauch day on private servers who said they managed to get enough frost resistance gear from other sources before the patch going live, and that even though it was suboptimal frost resistance gear (compared to what drops and can be crafted when naxx is out) it was sufficient for them to kill Sapphiron. If this is indeed the case and is also a viable tactic on classic, then I'll definitely suspect top guilds to clear it within a few hours.
Hope that clears things up!
you can do it with zero frost resistance lol its been done on private servers and will be demolished here as well day 1 many many will clear it and this guy will look dumb just like every other video he's made on the subject...
@@CtheDead209-zt8tj You like several other people keep saying it can be done with 0 frost resistance and that it's been done on private servers. Yet I've seen 0 evidence so far, so show me some. You can't expect me to simply believe you when I've done Sapphiron myself on private servers, and there's tons of guides out there saying a ton of frost resistance is mandatory. It's all that evidence and several people who reached out to me saying they did it still with a good a mount of frost resistance versus your bold claim of completely ignoring the frost resistance supported by literally no evidence or arguments whatsoever...
@@HamsterWheelGaming I did a bit of research and I indeed found no evidence of people downing vanilla Sapphiron with 0 frost resistance unbuffed. All the forum discussions regarding Sapphiron and 0 resistance were concerning WotLK Sapphiron, not vanilla/classic.
@@juhomantynen4638 Same here, so I have no idea how these people claim it can be done with 0 frost resistance and not one of them have even elaborated on their claim when I asked them to.
@@HamsterWheelGaming People just love to "prove" a youtuber wrong. Some things are up to debate like whether or not Naxx will be easy because difficulty is often a subjective thing. This resistance thing though is just blatantly wrong, no question about it.
My guild is midcore and we're already above the DPS requirements for patchwerk without worldbuffs
Asmon calculated that you only need like 340 dps to down patchwerk before the enrage timer
The one thing you can’t regain in classic is the mystery and lack of/limited information. We know all there is to know about classic, what’s most effective and what strats to use. A quick google search will make mostly any content doable. So I don’t think it will be hard at all. I can’t say it will be easy but it won’t be hard by any means for most people.
Well just because you know the strats, doesn't mean it's automatically easy though. There's tons of guides out there for really hard videogames, but those guides don't automatically make the content trivial. You still have to execute whatever strategy they're recommending to a tee, and same goes for naxx. It will definitely be easier than retail vanilla wow, but I'd say still pretty hard for most raiding guilds.
I partially agree. I think as he pointed out all the raids thus far have been pretty trivial because of itemization and knowledge. The interesting part of that is many guilds haven't really been tested. I think AQ and Naxx will be the first time commitment will be measured; will people be willing to bash their head against a wall for 3+ hours a week without any feeling of progression for weeks on end? Not to mention to gold sink that comes along with doing so. So far even normal casual guild such as my own have made significant progress each week on raids, relatively quickly moving to having raids on farm; there really hasn't been any major frustration related to raiding other than perhaps who gets/doesn't get certain gear.
I haven’t even done black rock depths yet ......... I’m dooomed 😎
Sorry dude, majority of players still fuck up basic mechanics on Ony. They still fuck up on Firemaw. You can't tell me Naxxx is going to be easy for 95% of the Classic playerbase.
Let me rephrase this for Beau. It will not be as competetive as it was in vanilla. The trial an error era is over therefore? Its like going on a scavenger hunt when you already know where everything is hidden. And yes there will always be terrible players. But the point is its easier competetively because computers and knowledge have upgraded
Played it on private servers and am playing in a top10 speedrun guild in classic. 100% most guilds that prepare and have geared tanks for 4H will clear it first week, every good guild will do it in one normal length raid night. Naxx40 is about the difficulty of Uldir Heroic from retail, it just threw some weird design curveballs that caught people put back in vanilla, like 4H. Nothing is mechanically all that challenging or all that hardly tuned. Most guilds have the DPS to kill patchwerk right now in their BWL gear without worldbuffs (the math has been done on this).
They had enough dps in mc gear too, even easier
was thinking that aswell, people doin 1000dps average on most bosses in BWL, i belive that wasnt the case at all in vanilla so dps check bosses are just a steamroll
I though you needed 8 warriors with T3 5 set to make taunt not miss to do 4H?
@@TheGamerReaper ZG fish boss trinket gives 10% spell hit (for taunt) on a 1min 15sec cooldown and is what most good guilds will be aiming to use at the start. Even without it 4Hman is doable, it's just a bit less stable with taunt resists.
@@TheGamerReaper you just need to give them 5% spell hit or something like that
Warriors in MC gear in Classic are doing more damage than warriors in Naxx gear during Vanilla.
You can't use pservers as a benchmark for difficulty since it is well known that a lot of values for things like armor and ppm were just made up because of lack of information.
Naxx will, sadly, be a joke to all but the most casual of guilds.
Simply put, vanilla raiding wasn't as hard as we all thought it was.
when even in my guild are making drama about +4stats instead of +3, no wonder it is not hard, one thing i like about classic that it is not hard, dunno about tbc, i read some comments from ppl who play on pservers and they said that min/max is even worse than in vanilla..... fking hate it
I'm using it as a benchmark because unfortunately it's really the only benchmark we have till now. Apart from retail vanilla naxx but good luck finding solid numbers from 14 years ago, I tried and failed.
@@HamsterWheelGaming IKR?!?! It took me like an hour to find the exact patch warlocks got seed of corruption...
Agreed, and things like all the priest and druid buffs, no cast times on Arcane Explosion ect they kept buffing classes as opposed to nerfing content in general.
Since day 1 everyone's had a massive advantage over O.G retail but then the other argument is what about all the bugs those patches fixed.
@@HamsterWheelGaming You also failed horribly with your predictions.
Guilds like APES will more than likely clear within the first 12 hrs of it being opened,
and "streamer" guilds will also be likely to clear in week 1 or maybe week 2, and normal guilds will likely take around the same amount of time as HC (NOT mythic) raids in retail.
How exactly do you think they will get past that huge amount of required frost resistance though?
@@HamsterWheelGaming Same way they did with Fire res in MC and BWL, pretty sure people said and still says you need fire res in MC and BWL, yet MC was cleared with the majority of the raid still being below lvl 60 and with greens with little to no fire res. The only boss i can see be a problem is 4 horsemen, as of right now.
Also I never said i was sure about any of this, but previous raids seems to indicate a trend, and considering some of the "pro" raiders already do more dps now, than people did in Naxx vanilla.
When APES got WF on Rag they downed him much much faster than most raid geared raids in vanilla would have done, I know gearing is different now, but that doesnt change the fact that APES cleared MC with gear so bad, that very few people would have thought it to possibly in such short amount of time, before classic launch.
The raid will likely still be hard for the bigger part of the player base.
Also who the F knows, classic have been a cluster-F so far when it comes to these estimates.
@@aomforever Average guilds didn't clear MC with ppl in greens and below lvl 60 and little to no fire res. Stop the dramatic exaggeration.
@@alpinoterran he's not talking about average
@@HamsterWheelGaming Pretty fucking simple. There won't be a "required frost resistance".
As Garosh said :"Times change"
Everything is different now, back in the days you didn't have so much guide, or you didn't even know how to search,people got more mehanics in later exp and more spells, so it's not that hard,only hard part about raid is grinding for buffs
You don't need the world buffs lol dps literally if they can pull 3-400 dps will decimate this raid not a si gle boss is going to take more than 6-7 mins to down...
@@CtheDead209-zt8tj I was talking about all buffs, those world buffs are minor
Cleared in a few hours by top guilds.
How do you think they will tackle not having a ton of frost resistance gear at launch?
Frost resistance prolly wont even be needed. Raids in classic is so easy, unfortunately..
@@HamsterWheelGaming They'll probably get frost resistance from other sources ie greens and blues and tickle the boss down
@Hamsterwheel will outheal the damage easily. Have you seen the low hps numbers Nihilun and Death and Taxes were doing in Naxx whilst they keyboard turned and clicked their way to world firsts? Doing a lot more damage to shorten fights and outhealing the damage will let them stomp bosses.
Jonas Hjelm Ok. Go into Sapphiron with no frost resistance. Let me know how that works for you
Simply no. Even with no Frost resist. The top guilds are going to be geared and buffed out to the teeth. I think Saph will get melted crazy fast before the Frost damage becomes an issue.
I don't think you can really ignore a massive 210 to 250 frost resistance on your melees, that's a huge damage reduction and expecting healers to simply deal with everyone getting massive amounts of damage more doesn't seem realistic.
@@HamsterWheelGaming Honestly you're not wrong. IT will be really interesting to see how the top guilds tackle that. For some reason I just see Saph getting blown the fuck down from there insane DPS.
@@HamsterWheelGaming Yeah, but this isn't Northdale where every raid is buffed. You'd need 160 tops these days. Mythic raiding and M+ just made people insanely good at the game that I don't doubt for a second that it will be cleared week one, probably even day one. Non-buffed vanilla WoW and TBC were REALLY easy compared to the pace of current retail content. (But screw getting invested in the current patch :P)
@@mr.voidroy6869 Because that guy actually had some credentials and further explained why they were able to get past Sapphiron. He actually had a compelling argument and said that his guild was able to gather frost resistance fore naxxramas went live. I mean it's not about the opinion its about what you use in terms of compelling arguments. People who say 'lmao naxx will be cleared in less than an hour' and then give no explanation as to why are ofcourse comments I'm going to take in question. But if people actually take a minute to explain WHY they think naxx will be cleared and give compelling arguments, I might actually change my mind, like that guy did...
@@HamsterWheelGaming You continue to ignore math. Saph in classic has 3million hp. A 40man raid runs 28ish dps. Dps now are hitting 900-1000 dps with MC/BWL gear. With AQ gear in the mix we can assume the average raid dps with easily be 1000 with no world buffs. EASILY. 28 dps at 1000 dps is 28,000 raid dps (not including tanks). 28,000 times 60 seconds is 1.7million damage. This means Saph will die in less than 2 minutes. With world buffs, tank dps, and pots, Saph will die in most likely a little over 1min. Healers can out heal Saphs damage by burning their mana for that long. You do not need frost res for Saph.
You also lost credibility because you said Patchwerk will have little wiggle room for his enrage. Patchwerk has 4million hp and a 7min enrage timer. Pathwerk using the same math will take a little over 2mins to kill leaving roughly 5 minutes of wiggle room. Thats a lot. Check yourself before you release a video like this.
I think we are all in agreement that Naxx will be steamrolled by top guilds. But, believe it or not, not every guild performs at this level. This video is aimed at the broader playerbase that Classic has attracted and raises some important issues for average/middling guilds to keep in mind.
Will Patchwerk be an issue for a large majority of guilds? No.
Will the Four Horsemen and others prove to be a challenge for those who aren't familiar with the fights? Yes.
Will Frost Resistance be a factor on Sapphiron for all but the best guilds? Yes.
I really don't understand why the metric of difficulty is solely determined by what the most experienced and hardcore players can achieve.
I hope they learned from the quick release of BC and actually prolong it coming out so that more players experience Naxx before BC. 👍
Originally BC was released 6 months after Nax release. This is a quite long time for one raid.
I'd prefer tbc just be a separate game from classic. But already know a lot of ppl would argue against that.
@@terrencedouglas375 i agree
@@terrencedouglas375 I thinking more and more I want fresh 1-70 tbc server, WIll solve more problems than any other way they coould do TBC classic servers. Imo
@@failbait3020 yea. I'd like everyone start fresh. Instead of a bunch of 60s from classic having an advantage. This way also, people can still play on their classic toons too
Tbh any guild that wants to do this live, all they gotta do is download any good stock vanilla server and practice there with every buff/consumable they want, not to mention information is easier to acess, a lot is simply easier, but I still get it, even if you know the dynamics of throwing a punch, you're still punching a concrete wall in the end so its still gonna hurt.
Come on fam. Best part of Classic was the first 2 months, now it's a raid-log game. Naxx will be cleared day 1 by many, many guilds.
Im just looking forward to tbc at this point and I hope they will put everything on pre nerf.
honestly most of it will need a buff, even pre-nerf stuff
Naxx was hard due to the unknown and the limited time people had. With everything being code sniffed and theorycrafted to death, and private server practice, it will be finished within a few hours.
and because players sucked in general
This video won't age well, I'm calling it right now.
you were right ^^
@@Fliptality Uh? Naxx was and is hard as fuck. It repeated history by killing guilds, and players left, right, and centre.
Just because a bunch of high performing guilds that practiced on their own PTRs before Naxx came out, and cleared it in the first day/week doesn't mean Naxx wasn't hard.
@@Babaganoosh69 Lets look at the numbers/facts first, so we can see how dumb and clueless you actually are: On my Server: 36 guilds (including 1 PUG) @15/15 , 4 guilds @14/15 , 6 guilds @ 13/15 (including 2 PUG's) , 5 guilds @ 12/15 , 1 guild @ 11/15 , 1 @10/15 only counted logs that happend in 2021 to filter out any dead (not dad) guilds. Thats only 68% of guilds on my server who cleared Naxx. oMg NaXx iS sO hArD!!! Yes some(!) guilds have disbanend or teamed up with others, mostly due to the lack of healers you need to progress past Saphiron. But its not even close to the numbers from 15 years ago. Naxx is not hard, it never was. History DID NOT repeat itself. Not even close. Come on? 0.1% of players? LMAO. Stop listening to idiots like Hamsterwheel. this guy is a clueless and a scam. one last thing: go to warcraftlogs and see four yourself. wordwide more than 90% of the active guilds cleared that joke of a place Naxx is. and now please shut up u fool
@@Fliptality The 0.1% was misleading but correct. No one wanted to clear Naxx live because of how quickly TBC was coming up. Naxx isnt hard its just a huge gold investment and unless you are a serious guild takes 2 raid days to clear. (Assuming you raiding days are 3 hours a day like most other guilds). I would say Naxx is more tedious than hard and you are right a big reason for it being "hard" is that so many people just dont want to raid Naxx even now. If you are in a dad guild and you raid Naxx you are gonna see a lot of people hit the dust.
You seem kinda delusional. Classic WoW is not comparable with overly boosted private servers nor players are as bad as they were in vanilla. Same as hard mode Hakkar was cleared immediately, Naxxramas will be cleared within an hour and something immediately after release. This game is not challenging for current players.
How am I delusional? I said that pretty much all wings would be cleared within no-time by top guilds and only raised questions in regards to the frost wing. I never said they wouldn't clear it, only that there's certain hurdles that are in the way.
An hour and 30 minutes bud, there is a decent amount of walking and rp you gotta get through
because you think only too guilds will clear this the first week lol an average retail raid guild will demolish nax lol most guild will have this on lockdown week 1... your lists of consumables is laughable at best if you find any raid in classic hard then your a bad player...
@@CtheDead209-zt8tj 'an average retail guild' but were talking about classic here, not retail. These are guilds in classic, so I don't understand why you're comparing apples with oranges. They probably could, but we're talking about guilds that as of right now play classic wow who will attempt to clear naxxramas. List of consumable laughable? How so? These are very basic consumables who have been used on vanilla private servers for years. Ofcourse private servers aren't classic, but they're as of right now the only comparison we have to old school naxx.
@@HamsterWheelGaming but you also said you wondered if even the top guilds could clear it in the 1st week.
there's a big discrepancy between clearing it in no time and not clearing it in the 1st week.
Eazy to calculate, see how much Hp boss have, divide that with how many dps you have(25-28) and see how many dmg each dps must do... As i see how much dps some people do they will melt Naxx like every other raid lol
10000% guaranteed hands down no question asked top guilds will use 0 frost resistance and clear naxx in sub 2 hours after entering the instance (outside of bugs preventing them from it)
There will be frost resistance
What do you base that? Got any proof of previous runs in naxx where they all wore 0 frost resistance?
@@HamsterWheelGaming Well the way to combat not having full frost res and still wanting to kill it on day 1 is basicly to just go with an excess amount of healers. You can still get basicly 25% resistance by just having auras , totems and aspects and then u can also use resistance potions, chromatic flasks and all that shit so resistance gear is just not needed when ur classstacking as hard as guilds like Apes will do.
I expect sapphiron to die on the very first pull. The only thing that would likely to kill them at all in Naxx would be the hard hitting bosses like patch , grobbolus, maexxna etc but theese guilds like Apes are way to good. Esp since i know from experience having raided with some of them for over a year in TBC.
@@HamsterWheelGaming we base that on results from the previous raids.
Naxx 40 is going to get steamrolled, just like MC, BWL, ZG, AQ20, and AQ40. That's just the way it is now. Everyone has the luxury of information nowadays, which didn't exist back in Vanilla. Server hardware is better, player hardware is better, more addons are available, player skill level has risen over the years, guides are available, videos can be watched, streamers can be followed, Reddit discussions, the list just goes on and on. All of this (and more) will make Naxx 40 so much easier relative to its original state.
Dude, you Are Naxxramas as far as im concerned. I was a casual player back in the day and had no idea such a hard core raid was in existence. Really enjoyed your Naxx vids and am looking forward to seeing how people handle it this time around. Not speed clearing guilds but average groups and possibly pugs and I think it'll be a lot of fun. With or without the right gear and resistances!
Oh yeah that's definitely gonna be interesting!
You've also got to consider all the class buffs upto 1.12 as well, in most cases Blizzard didn't nerf content on next teir releases rather they applied buffs to certain classes.
I.E Arcane Explosion had a cast time till near the end of the expansion, Fury warriors didnt get Bloodthirst till the minor patch after BWL, priest and druids had several beneficial healing buffs as well.
I think the economic aspect of saving up for the required materials for tier 3 will be harder than the raid itself.
Do you do any preliminary research before you make these videos? Patchwerks dps 'check' is a joke and people in MC/BWL gear are already doing way more damage than they'd need to kill him before the enrage. Every single video you make about classic you consistently fail to take into account the massive leap in player skill.
Even asmond debunked that lol
@@MrIggiepoo yeeeey Iggy here,can you make another rant about this video,with all the memes,I'd love that! :D
Hamster, i got a question mate. I saw that in one of your videos you had a character named Brotalnia and I wonder how did you think of that, because a couple of years ago there was a really cool bulgarian youtuber named that way. Are you related in any way
Haha good question! Brotalnia is a really cool dude who we owe a ton in the private server community. He made his own repacks of private servers, which anyone can download and mess around with. In those repacks, one of the pre-made characters is called Brotalnia. I just happened to use that character to film some stuff, hence why the name popped up in one of my videos :)
Thinking any encounter in classic will be hard is some next level delusion...
Its actually gon' be super easy! Barely an inconvenience.
How is it possible that you still think the content is hard, you played private server we get it. Have you been playing classic, please adjust your opinion to the current environment jesus this is a bad take "most guilds wont step foot in Naxx" dude what game are you playing?
The only difficult encounter in Naxx will be 4HM. And by difficult I mean having enough taunt hit capped warriors. The actual raid mechanics are a total joke for all bosses, we all know this. Sapphiron will not require a single bit of frost resistance gear because he will be melted like a trash mob.
ZG Fishing Boss Trinket, gg :)
@@Kalippofy Ah thats the secret. I always thought the warriors need a few T3 pieces to get 4HM down.
Melted like a trash mob? I mean he has 3,000,000 health and has phases in the air where most of the raid won't be hitting him.
But sure, he'll die in 30 seconds.
Kevin Kostyk he only goes into the air after 45 seconds and won’t be up there for long, only casting 6 spells and then coming down and staying down for just over a minute
Even with full melee he won’t live long
Pretty much everyone who touched Naxx back then say it wasn't really all that hard, but a lot of underlying factors made it hard such as Vanilla having very linear gear progression, computer specs of the time, raider burnout, etc. Raider burnout/poaching is going to be an interesting aspect to Naxx, but the idea that players will struggle with the mechanics of any of these fights is kind of laughable and so far all the resistance checks the game has thrown at us has been rolled over so Saph being scurry is pretty unlikely.
Pretty much everyone back then? So...100 guilds from 2006? Nobody got in back then...
its classic lol. of course it'll be blown through.
This is one thing i have an issue with though with people not adding in "But they were wrong" when it comes to naxx gear and TBC (Example below):
Warbringer Helm (T4 tank version): +15 STR +17 AGI +53 Stam +24 Def +19 Block Rating (About 0.5% block) +39 Block Value (Meta and Blue socket)
OR Helm of the Stalwart Defender (Prebis BoE BS crafted): +47 Stam +23 Resilience ( = - 0.23%ish dmg) +23 Def (Red Yellow Blue Socket)
Dreadnaught helm (T3): +21 STR +45 Stam +14 Def +1% Dodge
OR Conquerors helm (T2.5): +29 STR +18 AGI +34 Stam +6 Def
Unless your guild stopped at BWL the gear from classic is equal to if not better (On some classes) than the "Pre-BiS" of TBC.
Blizzard was BAD at itemization in Vanilla so much that it rippled into the next expansion (think thunder fury) where they tried so scale it back by doing a small power creep. (Most of the issue w modern wow is that its not a slow creep but huge jumps but thats a separate issue / topic than this one)
They cleaned it up pretty nicely in cataclysm but fucked it again in mop
Even with this dude's perfect English I could still hear you're also from the Netherlands.
I think a majority of tanks arent ready for the fire mage threat that's going to hit their threat meters in the face. Horde are probably most screwed by this. Half of classic wow raiders are drunk or stoned while playing. Wipes will happen just from people zoning out. Safety dance might not be as hard since most people are on high speed internet now.
Honestly I would disagree. AQ maybe since fire wil then be the new way to go, but I think when naxx hits fire mages will have had enoughn practice and as long as they have both Ignition and a decent threat meter they should be able to coordinate the ignite ticks accordingly. 'Should' tho, cause I'm sure there will still be idiots who will overaggro and wipe the raid :)
Opinion: anyone able to clear heroic raids on retail will have no issue with naxx.
The problem is getting 40 people of that skill level, many people get carried by doing the bare minimum.
100% accurate
I think you can get away with 10 people (probably less) with that kind of skill and 30 people that are just good enough to not stand in the fire, or execute their rotation decently. The only reason any of this stuff was hard back in the day was generally because some of the encounters were way over-tuned, the lack of gear (resistances mostly) and the lack of information. They know all of this stuff ahead of time and they've had time to farm up the relevant gear they will need. I am willing to bet Naxx will be full cleared by the first guild that enters it, on their first try. I suspect this will happen within the first 5 - 7 days. They have been practicing these raids for over a decade on private servers. The runs have been so finely tuned that the only complications they will encounter will be due to the subtle differences between the retail client and the private server clients.
Correction: anyone able to clear normal raids in retail will have no issue with naxx.
ElGallo probably, we’ll see how much harder things get in a couple months with AQ.
My train of thought was that AQ would be comparable to normal with naxx closer to heroic.
Anyone able to queue for LFR will clear it. Naxx is a joke.
The crafted frost res set is going to be multiple hundreds, if not 1000+ gold, and it's highly probable it isn't even going to be necessary. I'd say most decent raiders are already sniping frost res BOE's from the AH while they're cheap and will zone in with enough frost res in their inventory to down sapph easily. I really can't imagine many guilds waiting until they farm frozen runes and THEN full clear, they'll want to blast the first or second night, and they probably will.
We should be able to see if we actually need that much frost resist when aq40 comes out by people trying huhuhrun with less nature gear then recommended
Seeing as Molten Core was easy as piss, I expect Naxx to go in a similar fashion, then people will immediately be screaming "WHERE IS BC!!!". Somehow expecting Blizztard to not fuck that up, lol.
Guilds like APES are not the norm, for sure they will clean Naxx the first day. I'm on a 25 member guild, BWL is quite hard for us right now, we're not the norm either. Naxx will be really hard for casual guilds and non maxmin players.
didn't asmon work out patchwerk requires like 350 dps per dps to beat the enrage we are already double that even triple
Yeah and some other people explained that to me as well, so I changed my mind on that. I still think Patchwerk is a bit of a gearcheck, but not because of dps but because of the hateful strikes that do a ton of damage. I should have mentioned that in this video but ah well, hindsight is always 20/20
@@HamsterWheelGaming yeah time will tell some guilds struggle on bwl still
AQ40 and Naxx will still require people to do the mechanics properly and they were never nerfed unlike MC and BWL which were both nerfed several times which is what is reflected in the 1.12 era client we have.
No. People have effectively been training in the dark on private servers like they're the fucking sith. Unknowingly preparing themselves for this day.
Someone was watching summoning salt
also noticed that nice reffrence!
@@Sodmaster111 Wait! How did I miss that? :-O Timestamp plz :D
That's the one thing that makes me laugh is how guilds (even mine) spends an hour b4 raid getting all the world buffs just to steam roll raids a little faster when just skipping them and prolly having a just as long maybe even shorter time without getting them because how long it takes to get all the buffs. I feel like AQ and and Naxx will really be the only challenge for most guilds, yes most guilds will clear it fairly easily if they know how to prepare and aren't bad at the game. I mean most pugs can't clear BWL and a lot of guilds still wipe on these simple encounters some will definitely struggle in AQ and Naxx and might get burnt out over all the farming necessary. I personally don't care too much about farming all t3 gear and getting BiS for my toon but would at least like to clear all Naxx and AQ just to have finally cleared all the raid content that classic offers. If not can always wait till TBC since prepping for raids (at least on the consumable side isn't as ridiculous).
this guy gets it. Good job.
so you're telling me players who couldn't even clear LFR are struggling to clear vanilla? *gasp* shocker.... still not hard what so ever
It's 2020, and I really hope people can distinguish between mechanically hard and just overtuned. Classic Naxxramas = overtuned, Professor Putricide Heroic = mechanically hard. Just an example off the top of my head.
My raid in original vanilla didn't get world buffs for Patchwerk and we still killed it, it's all about the healers keeping the tanks up, the DPS will be easy.
Tank meta being completely different in 2020 than what it was in 2006 will make it so much easier. Suddenly mages and warlocks are capable of pumping a lot more damage and not having to wait for tanks to generate more threat.
Gonna be cleared in couple hours by top guilds.
Many underestimate how bad some players are though. I sure as hell wouldn't pug or go there with any random dumpster tier guild, it would be take so fucking long to clear it or wipe till calling it a day.
Top guilds will clear it in few hours from release.
Semi-hc guilds will 1-2 weeks to clear
Casual guilds will either clear it in months or not clear it at all.
Cleared in just over one hour on lights hope with severely buffed armor values on all bosses. With the melee buffs, lower armor values and a easier to keep up ignite in classic it will get completely steamrolled, expect sub one hour runs during the first DMF week: ruclips.net/video/SbmEZUIgOAI/видео.html
Not so sure about the FR requirements, i mean everybody said u gonna need alot of NR for Huhuran and Viscidus when in reality u just need some NR/Poison pots, no need for resi gear at all, just DPS
I think most people are seeking that original naxx experience, but it's just not going to be the same. I never did naxx back in the day, and I'm all in until my guild clears it, but I'm aware that is is going to be no where as difficult as it was. The information available will garentee that the experience will never be the same. There is a snowball effect too, where everyone knowing bis and srats resulted in early MC farm which results in early BWL farm, and so forth. Your average guild is going to be insanely more geared than your average guild back in the day. Add onto that the fact all the boss strategies are now known, and the result will be most guilds that are farming BWL now clearing naxx first, maybe second week.
Will be cleared on release. Resist gear is gonna be as necessary as it is in MC- i.e. not at all, sapph is gonna be a joke. 4 horsemen are also a non issue since every serious raiding guild will have 20+ raid ready warriors. All in all, it'll be about as challenging as wotlk naxx10
One thing to say is
Even if naxx was still as hard as we thought it was, It would be completely dwarfed in difficulty by ICC and Dragon Soul heroic, two of the hardest raids in all of WoW from what i remember.
wait you were in Chaos on VG? i was one of the founders of that guild haha! crazy to see how far the guild got after i quit. :) we were called Exodus before we renamed to Chaos
Just by checking here : www.method.gg/raid-history you can see that players during Vanilla were clearing 90% of Naxxramas without any WB stack and less gear than we already have even before AQ. Just look at some videos, they have T1 gear with some T2... Naxxramas will be stompted like the others raids unfortunatly.
I never had the chance to try Naxx back in vanilla/TBC, so I'm kinda looking forward for it this time.
That being said I'm hoping that it will be difficult, but not too difficult as I don't have the luxury of time to grind consumables like I used to.
@Interpersonal Communicator your comment makes no sense
People can outheal Saphirons Aura without Frost Resistance, I am pretty sure.
I think the top top guilds will still be able to steam roll through the resistance fights. The dps they're doing even now is just so insane
Did you all read the title of the video?? It's thoughts and predictions. If you think the video is simply wrong or stupid that's probably because you have not considered the scope of the audience this video was made for. I played vanilla but didn't raid therefore this video provides a great baseline of information. All you private server hard asses need to watch the video, hit like, and move on.
Question is not whether guilds will be able to clear naxx they definitely will clear it. Will pug raids be able to clear naxx?
If they release BC without making a separate client/servers I will be pretty annoyed. It's fine to be able to clone your characters from Classic onto a BC server but if they just replace Classic with BC...I already did that transition. I just want to clear AQ and Naxx boi and not have to worry about another expansion coming out and replacing the original game when it's an expansion that already came out so long ago.
when it comes to the frost resist gear you can farm the Word of Thawing before killing any bosses and just reseting the instance to then having rogues stealth there way in there grabbing the runes. this could all be done in a single day it would mean all raiders would need like 4 extra max level rogues (no gear is needed) and the ability to enter naxx farm the frozen runes for the day on the alts and boom all raiders have all the glacial/icebane/icy scale/polar gear they can get. with everybody having a single rogue alt it would still only be 4 days (the runes reset daily)
frost resist gear is the least of these top guilds issue when it comes to clearing naxx day one or week one. the bigger issue is just normal gear. a lot of the gear in naxx is needed to clear naxx. this was the nature of these raids with AQ and moving forward weeks of farming gear in the instance to get better stated gear deeper into the raid. we see it in all of TBC and and WotLK it wasn't until cata this was idea was let go.
:o Certus Excessum, this is old VanillaGaming footage here isn't it?
Being the end game content it should be harder to force guilds into continually farming the previous raids to get top end gear and crafting mats.
Alot of the things that made Naxx hard back then won't be present this time around. Expect most serious guilds to clear it day1 obv.
At the earliest, I think we'll have TBC 4-5 months after Naxx release. And that is my EARLIEST prediction. I think 6-8, heck maybe even 9 months is more likely.
Is the raid designed with many paths that you can choose whom to fight? :O
4 wings. You can do the in any order. Then Spahiron and KT.
inside the wings there are places where you can dive through some green goo to get to another wing, so yes some parts are actually skippable
Yes. Naxxramas is divided into 4+1 parts. You can only go to the last part if you cleared all the other four. You have to clear each individual quarter linearly but you can chose which order you clear them. The enterance of the dungeon is in the very middle and after you killed the final boss of a quarter you can teleport back to the middle and chose another quarter.
In the North-East there is the Spider Quarter (which is considered the easiest of the four) with three bosses: Anub'rekan, GW Faerlina and Maexxna.
In the South-Easth the Plague Quarter with Noth, Heigan and Loatheb.
In the South-West the Military Quarter (which is usually considered the hardest) with Razuvious, Gothik and the infamous 4 Horse Man.
In the North-West there is the Construct Quarter with four bosses: Patchwerk, Grobbulus, Gluth and Thaddius.
If you cleared all four of these (13 bosses) you gain access to the Frostwyrm Lair with Sapphiron and Kel'thuzad.
Due to itemization and Talent changes and knowledge/strats being out there, We all have been clearing content so quickly and easily we will still be over geared just from the fact that it didnt take months to clear mc/bwl/aq . Meaning the entire guild as a whole will be more geared than most guilds were that even made it to naxx back in the day. A lot of guilds never even full cleared AQ and stepped into naxx. I do think Naxx will still be a problem for guilds though which may add frustration and fun.
2 and half hours tops for world first, all serious guilds 2 raid days tops. Private servers were buffed intentionally and unintentionally. People don't play classic for challenge they play it because it feels rewarding
6:25 hahah before weekly reset. Well you were kinda right, people did clear it before weekly reset. In fact i was even more right. I said 1+ hour.. And guess what? ;D It took them 90 minutes ; ) ) )
Given the amount of players who actually made it to KT in the original, the prep time just to enter the raid not to mention the entry quests. If you think this is gonna be easy you need your head read
340 dps is a huge gear check lol
I will actually don't give a crap if so Blizzard intends to release BC the day after releasing Naxxramas. I'm here to get a second chance to clear out all of the content of classic. I will honestly not give a crap of BC before that goal is reached. I will continue to pursue that goal even after BC is released or not if I for some reason haven't down KT yet. As HW also said, this is probably the last chance to do it.
First of all if you ever played real Naxx you cannot go there and tank as fury---> the trash mobs require 400+ defence and prot or you can be 1 shoted--->which takes us to the first conclusion : you cannot speedrun.
Secondly naxx fights are not tank and spank as BWL. The most important thing was to survive.
And 3rd and most important: Let's hope they will release the original Naxx 1.12 and not some NERFED-reddit version
you said that patchwork was a gear check, i play on that server you played on and patchwork was way overtuned on the old core
you are massively over estimating difficulty of Naxx i think you should take your private server vanilla " Me and my guild did Naxx it's soo hard and we are hardcore "ego out of your videos and approach with more logic
Exactly, he is narcistic as hell
I can’t seriously think that after seeing how easily these top builds are sprinting through current raids in Classic, that they will have any trouble with naxx or even AQ40. Top gear characters and true coordination between everybody in Raid, knowing exactly how the fights will go down lead me to think it’s easy street for these guilds.
everyone can easily parse 85+ my guild everyone usually pulls 95+ you think back in actual classic they were pulling those numbers without optimized rotations. This is going to be easy small learning curve but nothing else.
Honestly I don't think Blizzard will announce TBC classic servers for at least 6 months after Naxx comes out, they aren't stupid enough to make that mistake twice.
U really stuck in the year 2006 if you think Naxx will be a challenge - Btw. I love how Asmon destroyed your vid :D
Over 100 Guild will clear it first week even Semi Casual Guilds. Top 20 Guilds will 1 shot every boss and it'll be a race to see who kills it fist probably 2-3 hours only due to how big the raid is not because the content is hard. Guessing for Sapphiron you might see people run 60 Frost Resist but even then I would be surprised more than likely they just kill the boss in 2 minutes.
i played in a guild that took bwl buffs few days before raid and people didnt log on on their mains for days , to not lose buffs ... imagine how tryhard are people for 2 mechanics per boss
World record I believe is a little over an hour private servers are scaled differently than what blizzard is doing and i think 80% of the raid is easy only challenge will be maybe 2 bosses 3 at best. Coming from a person who did real Naxx it wasnt hard, the only challenge was working around blizzards crappy encounter bugs and server lag/crashes. I'm one of the first to say Naxx is not hard at all it has a stigma for reasons that have nothing to do with the encounters if you have 2 brain cells you'll clear the raid.
If they keep the same timeline and release TBC close to Naxx release I'm going to be extremely pissed off
At the end of the day I am just looking forward to clearing the original Naxx! If it takes a month or 4 months oh well it will be fun!
1-4months clearing naxx wtf? :D more like 1-4hours
Naxx will get stomped like every other raid simply because players are a lot better now. You should try Mythic in retail if you think this is hard
Not sure why there's so many negative comments? Did you all even watch / listen to the video? Lol.
You are incorrect on the world buffs and pots, my old guild used to kill all wings except death knight wing with 0 issues without protection potions and without world buffs.
No, everyone will go in over geared and have all the fights down. Soccer moms will still be healing and that guy no one really likes will still be tanking. It's like watching a movie you like but seen a hundred times, while someone keeps stopping and rewinding over and over again until you just cant stand the movie. Meanwhile they make wild accusations about how the ending will be but you already know. Quit months ago and wished I wouldve just remembered how it was, not this version.
Patchwork will be easy, requires 340 dps per dps
Yes, kinda. I have more worries people worrying about theorycrafting i.e. on Patchwork. 🙄
'NO, MAN! The one with the second most HP gets the hateful strike.'
'STFU! The one with the 2nd most aggro gets them!'
We even had that discussion on WotLK.
I cleared Naxx in Vanilla, hunters dont require 200 FrostR, it's 150 max. Sapphiron is not hard, it's a just frost Ragnaros. KT also isn't a stacking boss. Four Horseman is the hardest boss.
It will be fucking nutz for 80% of raiders lol
I hope blizzard makes fresh or seasonal servers when tbc comes out.
I'll never understand. How getting the UBRS buff, and Only buff... To do BWL in 2020 is "making the raid faster"
.... How? How?! It's absurd lol. It's like a ninja armed to the teeth facing a child and taking 20 mins to put on hulk gloves; to make the beat down more efficient.
This is almost as dumb as the guy who said it would take months to down Ragnaros. Guilds like Apes and Progress will clear it the same night it releases, and they would clear it once again the same day on their alts if they feel like doing it straight away. 100+ Guilds will clear it inside the first reset. Patchwerk a gear check, yea. If your raid is doing an average of 300dps in AQ gear.
I think you are overestimating classic. I think we will have our first full clear same day as release. I think we will have 90% of all raiding guilds clearing it within the month of release. Private servers and classic are different. Patchwork will be steamrolled.
The great literal god Asmon just watched this on his stream.
Apes will crush it again for sure!
I think a safe bet would definitely be them being number 1, I'm just really curious how they're gonna tackle Sapphiron.
i remember when apes was the #1 guild, those were the days kekw
@@HamsterWheelGaming Well even if they miss the world first, cause last time i think they came world 3d on Bwl cause of a bug or something(I mean there are other guilds also that are top-notch), they will definitely crush it cause they are so experienced players, cant wait to see it!