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Off-meta picks and "weird" specs were something frequently experimented with during the early days of WoW when talent trees were long and class scaling was less tied down.
Today im covering 1 of these unusual specs for the majority of the classes in the game.
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You forgot about spell hunter and spell rogue that used Spellpower gear during vanilla to increase dmg of their arcane shot/Poison.
In phase 2 of SoD with the new chimera shot ability hunters got in phase 1 ranged hunters would stack spellpower to boost their serpent stings damage and since chimera shot scales off of serpent sting it was a viable spec competing with normal ranged hunters. All loot is hunter loot
When Hunter used the Light's Hope trinket and stacked Spirit and had endless mana.
As far as i know spellrogue was Pserver only. Spelldamage didnt affect poisons in blizzard iterations of wow
The good ol spellpen dk.. 😅
And also for healing pets, for insane tanking.
A geared prot warrior in WOTLK could wreck pvp as well, even without the gladiator spec. Shield slam and revenge dealt the damage, and shockwave and concussion blow provided tons of cc 🛡
... there was no gladiator in WOTLK
@@godlygamer911that was exactly his point
Ah yes.
And the healpalas that specced tank and were almost unkillable.
@@pun15h3r. Yea, that was only for a few patches but who in there right mind at Blizzard was thinking, lets give protpaladin a talent thats make stamina spellpower 😂 they nerfed it and made it scale with str instead 😂
Prot warrior in Bg's was pretty meme but had it moments, but lets not forget about how busted the Revenge PvE spec was for 5 mans xD
a Long Lost Spec from WotLK would be for Deathknights.
the Duel Wield Frost DK Tank.
i was Frost DK Sectank in a Guild around WotK and was Frostskilled it was Freaky how much you vould Take when you Parry all the Attacks that come in.
Saw the Big Hitter Drop from Arthas and was the only DK who had no Need for it.
I was looking for this comment, thank you! That frost parry chance per hand was NUTTY. You just let the target beat itself at that point. DK was just built different when it was first dropped lol
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Gladiator spec was the most fun I had with my warrior. Doing good DPS and saving us from wipes when the tanks died because I was there and ready to pick it up. It was usually only viable tanking in LFR but it was still badass and felt very on brand for the class.
Another edition - Survival Hunters doing trapweaving in Wrath. All expansion we were told "next phase you'll fall off and Marksman will take over" and each new patch Survival stayed ahead purely because of trapweaving. The fact Explosive Trap, for some reason, did more single target damage then Black Arrow despite it being an AoE ability while also having a longer duration (meaning even more damage AND more lock and load procs) and sharing a cooldown with Black Arrow meant we just always did the trapweave whenever possible. Even playing absolutely insane strats on certain bosses - like on Kolagarn in Ulduar where we had to jump over the edge of the pit, drop the trap mid-air and disengage back onto the platform in order to set the trap off (and inevitably fall to our deaths more then once if there was any lag at all). And bitterly complaining non-stop on bosses that hovered and thus couldn't set off traps - such as Twin Valks.
Good times, if also very exhausting at times. Once Blizzard gave us trap launcher in ICC things got much easier, and now in Cata Black Arrow actually does decent damage and Explosive Trap was nerfed into the ground (to the point its actually pretty bad AoE).
Also - Sunfire Druids. Where a Balance Druid would max out their Mastery stat above all else - even wearing inappropriate gear like tanking rings and trinkets and cloth items - purely so they could stay in Solar Eclipse the entire fight while spamming Sunfire, Insect Swarm and Wild Mushrooms and never, ever, ever using Wrath so they never moved out of Eclipse and actually did respectable damage and were absolutely broken on sustained AoE and cleave. This was a thing during early Cata Classic before falling off really hard as other classes just launched into orbit past them.
Maybe this is just me finding common naming annoying, but "a trap being in my rotation" doesn't sound much lIke trapweaving, it sounds like doing your rotation that includes a trap being a damage ability as a powerful cooldown
I do get that literally any tech being x-weaving is a community meme but still
@@Tojozomi it's because the trap is the odd one out.
It's not supposed to be in the rotation. So it's being weaved into what is normally the rotation.
Gladiator stance needs to come back. Like. That was just the coolest stuff ever.
I loved gladiator stance. I find it so lame that in almost all games shield +1h is tank by default.
Yeah, especially when with a shield you can be more aggressive and historically two-handed weapons were used with crowd control in mind. Using momenten to keep the sword moving and using it's reach to threaten all oponents around you.
Dpsing with a shield is silly. It makes zero sense in the context of wow. It makes sense for pvp however.
@@TheStygian *Game needs to be more realistic, that makes it better*
3:45 Yeah, when you're only looking at the Top 5% of players, sure. In reality, for *most* players, Gladiator warrior players were committed warrior players and often were near top of the charts in their raid. I raided Mythic in WoD as Glad spec until near the end of progression in HFC, when I swapped back to Arms. I never had any issues with the spec until then.
Besides all that, quoting the numbers being bad is a pretty weak argument for why a spec was killed, as numbers can be quite easily tweaked, as we've seen plenty of times. The other main quoted reason they buried Glad Stance was because Bonus Armor items gave AP to Glad warriors, which some people (main tanks) saw as a problem. This argument completely discounts the fact that after the tanks get that gear (which had the same drop chance as any other piece on a boss), that it was getting sharded or otherwise going to waste and that this was a way to get more use out of tank items in the game.
Glad stance for 12.0. It should have been a Hero spec.
P.S. - I thought the title was "When Weird Specs WORKED in WoW", not "When Weird Specs EXISTED in WoW". Kind of weird to use Glad warr as this class' example and then say it was utter dogsh!t numerically. That kinda means it didn't really work, no?
For Druids talking about Manual Crowd Pummeler is very disappointing considering this is not a spec, and has been discussed so much already.
What about moonkin tanks in TBC or other options?
tanking rogue at TBC work
I loved tanking on my shaman during BC. Even used the taunt they had for specific things up through Cata.
Since shaman gained mail use at level 40 in vanilla, it made shammy tanks entirely viable (and fairly common) in that Scarlet Monastery stretch of levels, thanks to Rockbiter Weapon's increased threat generation.
@@Maria_Erias Yeah, I remember main tanking Scarlet Monastery from 35-42 or so as a Shaman tank. Even in leather it was doable if you were smart.
Fake news
Watched a shammy try to "tank" mag gruul and kara and fail every time
@@danmoore1427yeah but it was dope in low inis.
With a supporting group it worked fine!
And was fun!
Problem in WoW is that Blizzard is too afraid of experimenting and/or letting player have too much freedom. You have to play specific play style and your choices are limited at best. And midmaxing culture don't help at all. Like,back in MoP(and Warlords if I'm not mistaken)DemonLocks had a glyph that turns them into tanks,but you were at best,panic tank if your tank dies in a dungeon. Even in Cata,Enhancement had tanking talents and abilities,but could you possibly tank?No. Resto Druids have a dps rotation in Cata despite the fact that they hit like a wet noodle...
Only other specs or build that i've heard of that you didn't mention are holy shock paladin, spellpower poison rouge (which i think only worked on pservers), resto/boomy with 3% hit FF in tbc, and frostfire mage (which wasn't the best, similar to glad stance).
Shockadin was a blast to play in Wrath. Building it out with PvP gear made it utterly crazy for being both the off-tank in ICC, as well as being the MT healer, all thanks to the fact that +Resilience gear also affected PvE damage taken and that Beacon of Light 100% copied healing onto the beacon target. Getting a full set of PvP gear made you virtually unkillable in PvE, and Beaconing the main tank or yourself, and then just healing back and forth, toggling Righteous Fury when you needed to hold aggro (through healing threat as well as Holy Shock and Exorcism spam), made it an incredibly fun way to go through ICC 25.
Dreamstate was great! Especially because Moonkin damage was... not great.
As Shockadin I would often 1v2 classes with no heal, like war/rogue, a decade has already passed damn...
Spellpower Rogue was indeed private server only. Poisons did not scale with SP on Retail at any point.
Pomfrost mage was way more fun than Pompyro with the 100 % bonus crit damage and + 50 % crit chance to frozen targets. You didn’t even need to instant cast anything, you just frostbolt + ice lance, fire blast if needed and bye bye players :D
feels weird being this early, lol
Smite priest did have some interesting bugs with the Tier 5 set. Where if you had Surge of Light procc'd, and used Smite while the -150 mana cost proc from the Avatar Regalia was up, your non-smite spells would not consume the -150 mana buff. Which let you spam Holy Nova on aoe pacs. This combined with the Blade of Eternal Darkness having a chance to proc on each enemy hit with Holy Nova resulted in positive mana gains on downranked Holy Nova's. All this together let you basically spam holy nova infinitely on trash packs in Mount Hyjal or in big pulls in heroic dungeons.
Smite was pretty cool and I am glad I mained it during TBC Classic. Other than AoE, the mana issues never really went away sadly.
Too bad it wasn't a spec in SoD.
Smite priest was possible in cata. Just only against pure dps 1v1.
Smite priest combined with a ret pally also did some insane burst, it was just never worth a debuff slot and 2 dps slots when you could bring 2 warriors - but the damage was there. If your raid let you play for fun, a smite priest could work, better than most 'memes'. (Vanilla PoV here).
I wanted a inner fire dagger spec
Had it been a spec in SoD, I would have played past the first phase.
I checked the new runes with every season, but the dream was never to be.
@@antoineguerrier2965 I am still very very surprised they didn't add it or any support for it. Its one of those iconic meme specs from classic that really could have been something. -_-
Loved shockadin in TBC. Full PVE shockadin with mail spell damage equip from SWP. Plate equip had low spell damage stats. You could Autoattack with Seal of Righteousness + Consecration all melee classes, without even using Judgment and Holy Shock :D
Im building up a Tank Spec Hunter.
But Gladiator warrior wasn't a player made weird spec... You should have added Fury tanks from vanilla instead. Also Shockadin -> ProtRet pally. And wasn't meleweaving a playstyle for hunters and not a spec in itself? Lastly Smite priest was legit the best priest leveling spec up until Cata.
21:55 You skipped a LOT: before Leotheras the Blind, you could use a mage OR warlock tank on one of the council members in Gruul's Lair and, right before SSC, one of Kael'thas' advisors needed a warlock tank (preferably two, as her mechanics could be wonky and a backup was good).
I played a PoM Pyro mage for a bit back in TBC, just for shits and giggles. It was funny, but it got boring pretty quickly. You blow someone up and then you just kinda sit there, being almost useless or being scared for your life because your big dick spells weren't online.
Also, having your pyro thrown back in your face by a warrior who spell reflected it with perfect timing was bloody hilarious. I self-rekt a few times doing that and it always made me laugh. Had a hunter in the guild back then who kept challenging me to duels in the PoM Pyro specc because he thought he 'finally figured out how to beat it'. He never did, but it didn't stop him from trying.
It was fun, but very 'one trick pony', even by mage standards who were already known as one button classes during vanilla (and to a slightly lesser extent TBC) so you got bored with it rather quickly and changed into something else.
Frostfire Mage during Wrath of the Lich King was fun. It required investment into both Fire and Frost talent trees and the glyph that basically replaced Fireball with Frostfire Bolt. Imagine shattering a frozen target while they're suffering from Ignite. It was decent damage until the ICC patch when Arcane was buffed to be the highest damage for mages.
There was a glyph that you could socket for warriors at the same time gladiator was out that basically turned a lower level prot warrior into gladiator and it was an absolute menace in dungeons. Had a pally in one group that couldn't figure out how he was being out dpsed by a DPS prot warrior.
Frost DK with a boatload of spell penetration was crazy broken for a few patches, at least in battlegrounds.
What about Shockadin? Wasn't that a thing in Burning Crusade?
I remember it being more of a PVP spec. I never saw it in raids.
Nukadin.
23:00 Tell me you're just going to say "Holy" here. XD XD XD
I leveled as a smite priest all through TBC and WOTLK because I loved healing dungeons while leveling and was too cheap to respec
TBH I prefer healing the other party members, who was in the dungeon with me, not the dungeons, but you do you.
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Speaking of warlock tank, my brothers guild in Wotlk used a Voidwalker and buffed it to 120k HP to tank Sartharion 3D, and used a hunters Misdirect to get Sartharion to the voidwalkers position. Cool tactic
WOTLK was a fun expansion for priests and paladins, on my priest I had spent talent points down to Surge of Light and still had enough to get Power Infusion and some mana efficient talens in the discipline tree, so I could 1v1 anyone, spam Holy Nova and use Smite/Flash Heal according to mine or my enemys healthbar. On my paladin I would have mostly prot talents, but holy gear and be an immortal healer.
I'm shocked glad spec wasn't a hero talent option in war within. But the nice thing about hero talents is introducing more options is plenty plausible! Things I'd love to see
- Rogue Tank. I think outlaw has been the odd child for a while and could support a tanking playstyle option.
- Warlock tank. Same pet mechanic as below. Demonology tank where your pets are constantly dying to the boss would be so funny.
- Hunter Tank. Having your pet stick right to your side and being able to shift which has threat you or the pet
- Mage Support like augmentation, but a full on support with time magic.
- Glad warrior dps Tank hybrid
- An inquisitor style paladin heal dps hybrid. Like disc, but a dps first and heal second.
- Evoker melee tank where they turn into an actual dragon on a CD. Kind of like an off tank.
- Shaman summoner like demonology.
I've played all the wierd specs in the Wow's lifespan, i had most fun with Holy Paladin RDPS and "Resto" Warrior (Arms warrior with healing trinkets, racials and proffesion perks)
You forgot feral healer in shadowlands, back then we had a legendary that gives HotW when we shift to caster on every minute, combining this with the 1min convoke legendary and HotW talent itself, feral could burst heal more than regular healers with no mana cost, and have a very good considerable heal uptime while dpsing, i did healed some respect level M+ and even heroic raid on some farm bosses and did more hps than healers due to that strong burst healing combining HotW and caster convoke.
Mage in Wotlk was peak for me, There were soooooo many viable specs that you would use if you were a top mage Outside of your standard LB fire and Arcane specs, of which in themselves had their main variants, from Firestarter Fire or INcanters Arcane. You could choose from PoM Pyro in PvP, heck Frost wasnt even bad in Naxx tier and could out perform and keep up with some other specs in early weeks. Frostfirebolt was a useable variant for Fire mages early on as it provided a lot of free stats the spec was missing from gear in early tiers. There was also the Cold Snap Frost fire spec for bigger burst damage (viable for shorter kills like razorscale or Maexxna) And even the Pure Frost fire bolt crit scaling spec used on fights like Hodir and Vessax. God tier ingenuity in the specs they created for Mage in wotlk, being able to mix up your spec in various ways for specific bosses or for different tiers was something that wasnt really around up until that point in the game. Most specs throughout TBC and Vanilla stayed consistent...if it was good in phase 1 it was likely the spec you played in phase 4.
Some comments:
Blood DPS: in terms of numbers, there were a few fights where they were preferable, specifically ones where cleave was present, like HM Deconstructor. Regardless of the numbers, you still wanted one purely to give your highest physical dps Hysteria, such as Warriors or Ferals.
Prot pally PVP, WotLK: for a moment, it did more burst dps than Ret. Great for bgs, good anti-caster comps. Didn't have as much control as prot warrior or UH DK (also less damage/no necrotic), thus fell off.
Frost 2H, Ulduar-ICC WotLK: better than DW for PVP, although equally lesser than UH. It's a BG spec: great burst, but no defensives. Lower PVE damage than Frost DW and UH. Not considered: Shadowmourne.
Back in Wrath, I switched my main from Priest to Druid. I ended up bear tanking, so all my gear was for that. Since cat and bear forms were the same tree, I developed a hybrid tank/DPS spec that did good DPS in cat form, yet still had good survivability in bear form. (Good enough to off tank in raids.) That was a phenomenal spec for PvP, and I had a blast in Wintergrasp.
At various times, a Holy Nova Spirit Tap hybrid build worked for dungeons. At least for dungeons with a lot of small adds. If the priest could reliably get kills, spirit tap would double their spirit and allow full spirit mana recovery. It worked because holy nova was a zero threat spell, so the priest could start dpsing the instant the tank had body odor aggro on the mobs. It was one of the many specs that really only takes off when you outgear the content, but it was good for speed levelling. Unfortunately, holy nova stopped scaling well at TBC content.
I actually created a special hybrid semi-ranged paladin spec in MoP, before it was nerfed one month into that expansion. I was so pissed, I quit wow until LEGION! They also forced you to rep grind to spend badges of justice from heroics and I didn't want to raid, so that literally stopped me from having any fun in the content I wanted to play.
It was INCREDIDBLY powerful! Hence the quick nerf to completely remove harsh words from ret! It made use of 40 yd judgment that gave 1 holy power, holy prism on 45s cd that could be used to heal and damage at the same time, harsh words to spend your holy power and hit from range and a talent that would proc free holy power spenders whenever you used one. I dominated all the classes that tried to kite me like they had been doing for every expansion up to that point. It was so cathartic. Fun was detected and quickly removed.
Blood DK was the best dps spec to go in OG Wrath. Lol these classic numbers hold no candle to the amount of people who played blood back then. What made the DK a hero class was that you could technically DPS or Tank depending on which tree you took for all three specs interchangeably. Most people went Frost for tank cause of its mitigation in the tree, most went Blood instead of Unholy cause of the dmg burst and output it gave compared to dot control.
I tried out Enhancement shaman tank in tbc at around lvl 45-55 (in Uldaman and Maraudon).
It was very doable even with dual wielding and windfury. Fire Nova Totem, Earthbind and Taunt Totem for aoe pulls and high dps and Frost Shock for 1-3 enemy groups.
My talents weren't even built around tanking, so it could have worked even better with them. (l often had infinite mana because of shamanistic rage and shock cost reductions)
I even had the Spirit weapons talent, which reduced the threat generation of my melee attacks by 30%.
I (and many others) ran as a healer paladin in OG WOTLK for arenas but as deep protection. There was a talent that would give you spell power relative to your stamina. You would gem and enchant solely stamina. Additionally, you would get avenger's shield and use the increase damage glyph. Blizz added a silencing effect to this spell too which made it useful in this build. I think it was nerfed come the following season but it was super tanky, offered more utility with the silence rather than just having HOJ, and uber strong heals. The only con of this spec was no instant casts from holy shock or beacon so you had to juke interrupts and LOS ccs better than the average joe.
Back in Cataclysm I played a frost mage spec that included ignite and impact. Blizzard would proc brain freeze, giving instant cast frostfire bolts, which then stacked a big ignite tick on the main target, which could then be spread using fire blast for massive AOE. I think I had 9 points in fire for it. People tended not to believe that it worked, but it was a great AOE spec in Firelands.
Not really a spec, but in in WoTLK, my favorite weapon was Nibelung. Frost AOE would often spawn a lot of Valk'yr companions that did a very decent amount of damage. Lots of fun in PvP as well. I think the chilling effects from blizzard counted as a spell and increased the chance to proc the staff.
Gladiator Stance during the beginning was actually damn good, it was one of the top specs people went. Most people stuck to what the knew best and didn’t even know that spec was in the Tank Tree because hardly anyone goes tank. The devs dropped it cause trying to tune a spec within a spec without destroying it completely on top of taking too much time away from other pressing issues the expansion had is the biggest reason why it wasn’t too dps throughout the expansion after the nerf and completely removed afterwards.
if you want to see the best raz rogue tank in HC look up Cramer :) was fortunate enough to raid along side him in Purpose.
For evoker, when aug first was available, it was a damn good PvP tank, specialy on flag cary map. On team fight map he switched some talents around and became a fourth healer in RBG.
Monk had a few brewmasyer dps (doing similar dps then windwalker if not more, in PvP)
There's a spec I never see anyone talking about for DK in early Wrath that was a combo of Frost and Unholy, using dual weilding, did a ton of damage with low end gear, like I was topping the charts in raids with basic blue items, relied a lot on procs of Rime for Howling Blast and disease damage
Hopeful me, commenting before watching: I *really* hope WillE picks the Arms Overpower spam spec from MoP that was little known but kept up with Fury when played right.
Realistic me, commenting while watching: Of course, though, he's going to pick when warriors spec'd into DW Fury to tank in Classic. *sigh*
Surprised me, commenting after the reveal: What the wha-?! But, Gladiator was a LEGIT spec that was designed to work that way. It wasn't a _weird_ spec. I'm kind of flabbergasted at this pick, as it's not some weird oversight.
Had a druid resto/backup-tank thing happening in my guild for a while in classic bwl. Don’t know if it was ever viable, as I was too busy overaggroing with ignite, but it sure came in clutch every now and then.
Where's the shockadin mention? I think it's in MoP where Holy shock scaled so hard that you one shot other players in BG's while levelign untill it was fixed. God it was a blast. The only other class you feared was other other holy paladins.
I absolutely loved prot pally in season 3 of wrath , I believe I was one of the first people to play it stacking shield block rating and it was definetly overpowered. You could run double healer prot on 3s till 2500 ish rating
About Gladiator in SOD
it is mixed in with Fury as it is a 31Fury spec.
You will get Bloodthirst and Flurry. These are just too good to pass up.
I've been going through some of the top warriors thou, and none were showing Glad Stance as a rune thou, so it might be a meme still.
In Phase 5 with the new epic shield, and buffs to 2hander fury, I really hope that there is a more active competition between the "3" DPS specs (which will all still be Fury)
Man, I haven't watched this yet but I'm commenting because I feel this video. Back in BC I ran a Survival/MM hunter and while I didn't place the top of the DPS charts in raid, I was invaluable. I was like the third tank for mobs. CC was off the chains. And I was an engi so if the group wiped, hit that Gnomish Jumper Cable and a quick prayer. Sigh.....those were the days.
a little known fact in real vanilla and when classic launched as vanilla (although I think not any more since patches fixed it), the shaman enhancement talent to increase flametongue weapon damage (cos reasons) also increased the hidden spell co-efficiency of all (?) spells - in vanilla wow I did more damage as ele taking this talent, it was a strange time (if you have access to a true vanilla client, you can test this with lightning shield for example, since it's a fixed amount of damage) - I learned about this back in the OG vanilla days from some class guide somewhere
Fistweaving was good for like one patch in legion bcuz of how the artifact skill worked, but it got nerfed into the ground after a month, and in 5.4 holy pallys could be a ranged dps with denonunce and the world of glory glyph that let you cast it for dmg, you could wings and hammer had a 30yd range as well, holy shock could crit for almost a million if you stacked mastery too
For mage there's two others I'd mention; Elementalist mage in Vanilla which completely ignored the arcane tree, which for most of Vanilla was an unheard of thing to do. Before the vanilla mage rework you'd lose a ton of stuff by not going into arcane, but you'd get some high crit chances and tons of instant casts that allowed for more mobility and control in PVP. (You'd lose instant arcane explosion and evocate, mostly) After the rework, you didn't need to talent to get evocate or instant Arcane explosion, and they changed shatter to allow *all* spells to benefit from additional 50% crit rate, not just frost- so you'd run around with a bunch of instant cast aoe spells that had massive crit chances and high snares. The drawback being you were made of paper, but just git gud lol (/j)
The other one was never live, but in TBC beta there was a dagger that was bugged and it's melee damage scaled with spell power, so you could stab people for huge amounts of damage. Sad this never saw a live iteration.
There was an early bug in which unholy dks wore holy pala gear (or any gear with int/spell power) and got ridiculous damage from their shadow magic abilities.
Also, there were holyprot palas - they utilized a talent that gave spd based on one’s stamina, so in this build, people literally used every enchant and gem with stamina on it - as a result, they got a ton of stam, as well as a ton of SPD, being almost unkillable in pvp scenarios.
Holy priest dps was somewhat working on MoP - hirumadx made a video about it.
Maybe classic+ should revamp the 3 talents specs of each class to buff them up to the level of Warriors, plus add in these meme specs in by adding a 4th tree to every class. Like a 4th tree for Holy Priest caster dps, Glad Warrior, a true Shockadin dps spec, Melee Hunter, Tank Warlock, Tank Shaman etc.
I MISS BLOOD DPS I WAS 1 BUT FULL BLOOD :D now in the classic i tryd doin a 50/50 b/uh with corre bloood hs and deseases
Exorcism spam holy paladin (i think that was in cata or wrath), blood dps in early wrath, 2h/shield fury warrior in bfa, "caster necro" unholy dk in bfa, survival hunter with bow in current wow. Some of the meme builds I've played over the years.
I played as a shadow priest up to AQ40. Started to experience with the smite pries in pvp then and it became a wrecking ball. Open up with power infusion, fire up a holy fire from 40 yards and follow up with smite. Usually the target was dead after this. It was a lot of fun!
Wow. I was watching the first few entries thinking about my enh during wrath. Not really on topic so I wasn't planning a comment, but raiding enh during wrath was fuuun. He was an alt that didnt cap until late Naxx so I had never raided with him. That rotation was something else as I recall. I played an aff lock main, so I was used to watching dots, cooldowns, etc but shammy was damn complicated and very fun. He was a simple dual wielder, but for me, that spec was weird to play.
With the AQ tier set Blizzard seemed to want to dabble with the idea of a hybrid druid spec - it had melee stats plus spell damage and healing. I really wish there was a "full hybrid" option for Druids as I have great memories saving dungeon groups from wipes by doing some emergency tanking or healing as a Druid in vanilla.
Gladiator is something I never played, such a great class fantasy, and as for dps, it was just a tunning (numbers) problem, like most simple specs nowdays.
5:17 gladiator was never meant to be a dps. Nay nay. You are looking at it all wrong.
It had the tankyness of a prot warr. With enough dmg to compete with other dps. The fact is it was the highest dps for any tank spec that expansion. And was used by many guilds as one of their main tanks because it just meant healers had to heal a tiny bit more. And the dps gained. From tankyness lost. Wouldnt be a factor today with ignore pain and many other dmg mitigation spells of a tank warrior
IF they brought it back. With our current talent tree. And we made it an option put it all yhe way at the bottom. It would be CARRYING every mythic dungeon because its dps with a tiny bit of leech would outheal a demon hunter tank. And itd be an unkillable monster.
Monk only really had 2 sets, and tbh one of them is kinda how they should've made the way to play mistweaver. Fistweaver, IE a disc priest monk that healed through damage and was really fun, and the spell lotus windwalker monk. That last one though was more a meme than anything since it preformed just better than fistweaver if I remember right, but way below the next dps.
Don't know if it is/was weird spec, when i played WoW the Soul Link / Siphon Life warlock was used in PvP. I think it was in TBC.
IIRC priest SoL was designed NOT to proc off of a prior SoL proc from day one but was bugged. I have fond memories of getting abused because I was pulling agro rather than healing the tank.
This was a decade ago but IIRC Gladiator Stance in PvP was actually very good at least in Ashran at the time because you got most of the benefits of being Prot while also dealing decent enough damage and you would still get the benefits of the bonus armor secondary stat. You would dodge. block, or parry many hits you had prot defensives like shield block and you could still pop a bladestorm and kill most non plate wearers.
Fury warrior in Vanilla? warrior dps used as tank...to the point it was the only main tank in most guilds. Give them diamond flask and they start the fight healing as well. In Classic you had raids done with nothing but fury warriors, so all three things being done by 1 class meant to just be dps.
Augvokers have a talent which makes Emerald Blossom extend their Ebon Might but it costs essence, I've tried it once, it costs a lot of mana and probably doesn't benefit from many of the Eruption benefits in the aug tree, but it might classify for this?
And of course fistweaving for dps+healing as monk
I ran an AOE Disc/Holy hybrid Priest build focused on holy nova and all of the regen in BC. Farmed my way to the Tiny Sporebat pet from Sporregar.
Strength Hunter! Early hunters gained dmg from strength, and it was converted to agility. But it was patch doing vanilla. Full on str/agi, a pure glass cannon marksmand hunter.
Imagine talking about rogue tanks (which only worked with 102.5% avoidance) but not shaman tanks (which worked for the whole of Classic)
Unholy tank in WotLK was so much fun. It wasn't the best tank for min-maxing the top raids but was super reliable and FAST for dungeons
Smite priest actually could out DPS shadow in Vanilla on paper. But the loss of shadow weaving meant RAID dps went down sooooo. Also the fight needed to be under 2 minutes or you oom.
I rememeber my vanilla wow rogue build, used points in all 3 trees and stunlocked people to hell
Taking on a group of 3+ was too fun
In TBC the Holy mage can be built with split disc/holy for the hit chance and bonus damage and spirit was insane for free damage and keep you from having down time.
Gladiator Stance was one of the things I really liked about WoD. Short lived and you did terrible DPS while in it, but damn was it fun?! I hope we'll see a new, better planned iteration of it later in the future.
I played an ArPen BM hunter in wrath. Giant worm pet with the 20% armor reduction. It was stupid DPS, if you could stand still.
Blood dps mentioned! I played blood dps during wrath classic, I managed to get full BIS before cata release
The Arcane/Frost mage raiding spec in TBC was my all-time favorite. Spamming arcane blast while weaving in some frost bolts for mana conservation felt great.
Surprised I didn't see the vanilla priest trispec from pvp. That sh*t was bonkers back in the day
Sword & Board for any plate user would be a brilliant DPS option. Really would love to see Gladiator back!
This definately needs a part2 with the 2-h prot pala stacking up 5 crits and unleashing them to 1 shot (or close to 1-shot) rogues and cloth users
2x Prot Paladins in WotlK with health stacking and SP weapon in Arena to just one tap anything in their sight for an entire patch was fun.
fistweaving monk was pretty weird... especially since disc priest did it so much better with atonement in the same expansion fistweaving monk started
Feels odd not to mention shaman tanking in vanilla and even tbc, but I guess with it being mainstream in SoD it doesn’t quite fit this video
For warlock tanking, I'm surprised you did bring up the glyph to give them a tank spec.
Some of the most fun times I had in WoW was during Pandaria and tanking heroic dungeons as fury, was so fun and threw pugs off.
the fact that presence of mind used to effect any spell was so cool. PoM Sheep was just so glorious
I think you meant instant 60 energy and 80 with a tick. Since furor gives 40 & the head 20.
Never forget the warlock tank. Beautiful times. Right there with shockadin dps
Most memey off-meta thing I can think of existing for Monk was/is DPS Mistweaver aka Fistweaver
I know you only touched on Classic - Wtlk, but the Warlock tanks in MoP were amazing.
Also, in TBC there was the infamous shockadin a holy paladin that dps
Our main tank in WoD insisted on tanking in Gladiator Stance. It was tough to deal with for everyone else.
what about the TBC melee mage using the Pulse Dagger. they nerfed that the day after people played around with it.
Ill die on this hill - in classic a naxx gear bis smite priest is better than shadow. Utilizing the same gear set as as shadow bolt warlock
not choosing tank shaman from vanilla, warlock demo tank from mists, warrior healer from the olden days, is a real shame
Bro i LOVED playing hunter in TBC was so rewarding when you got it all right!