I Put a $850 AUTOFLEX Shaft In The CALLAWAY AI SMOKE DRIVER VS SENIOR SHAFT...HOLY MOLY!
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- Oh my!!! I did NOT expect this.... I put the brand the new Callaway Ai Smoke tripple diamond driver with a $850 autoflex shaft against a senior shaft.. and well, it is safe to say I DID not expect to see the results I did, and I think you will be very surprised by the results, the club head speed, the spin rates and most of all the yardage! In this video we settle the argument of is an UPGRADED expensive rare $850 shaft any better than a senior shaft that you just take off the shelf? I put this to the test! Not only testing these shafts in a normal 2024 driver head but I place this $850 shaft in a Taylormade Qi10 MAX driver one of the most forgiving drivers of 2024! We often think that just spending more money is the way to get more consistent and hit the golf ball longer and straighter but compared to a senior driver shaft in the Callaway Ai Smoke driver tripple diamond does this rare expensive shaft go and long and is it any more consistent?
We put to the test a VRTX project x senior graphite shaft against a AUTO FLEX golf shaft a very rare version of this! What would you do would you go for the expensive shaft? Lets hit 5 golf balls with each and see on a fair test using the exact same Callaway Ai smoke triiple diamond, which golf ball goes the longest and the most consistent. I Put a $850 AUTOFLEX Shaft In The CALLAWAY AI SMOKE DRIVER VS SENIOR SHAFT...HOLY MOLY!
. I TESTED this $850 shaft VS STOCK & these are the RESULTS This $850 DRIVER SHAFT is NOT what you think...VS SENIOR SHAFT
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*This is the real test!! Senior flex VS $850 shaft 😳 which will come out on top!!*
Alex, try tipping the autoflex, say 1”, to match the shorter senior flex shaft? Might be a better comparison?
Great suggestion! 🙌🏼 I will try and do this in another video
My son is 12y, hdc 3.9, 90mph… we had the chance to stay more than one our with his coach in the fitting area and play with clubs an shafts… we found the perfect fit for him… smoke tripple diamond wirh the 45g Lady big bertha shaft. He hit constantly about 200y carry. We just by accident found this combonation. It showed me the sometimes the unexpected is good. It is really a problem to find the right clubs for young junior golfer with low hdc and almost no test available… thanks for this test.
I have this exact combo, and for my 95 mph speed (and, crucially, my fairly smooth transition/delivery) it's been fantastic. I think for folks who swing over 100 mph the fitting of the right shaft and head in Autoflex may get more tricky. I had already picked up about 5-10 yards with the Triple Diamond head with the lower spin, and picked up another 5-10 adding the Autoflex. Whether or not that's worth $700 is up to the individual. For me it is, because both the head and the shaft have done what the manufacturers said they would do, which is rare in golf - and rare anywhere else!
Excellent review. I had great results with Autoflex when I swung very easy at the start of down swing. Did same with a XXIO driver. But when I swung hard, like with my Ventus Black gamer it/they spun way too much.
Hey Alex, I started using a Smoke AI Max with a $50 NVS senior 45 gram shaft and have been hitting past the longest guys in my group the last few weeks. Don't sleep on the Senior shafts.
This is such a great video! Insane results! Hahaha everyone running out to buy senior flex shafts! Autoflex might not be happy with this video but that's their problem hahaha
As a club builder and junkie, those results were amazing to me. Great work.
Hi Alex.... You should try the Autoflex with a focus on the Swingweight, if you have have the stock 12gram weight in the Callaway Driver + the 2 gram weight in the back it will mess with the Autoflex performance... If it measures D4 or D3 the head is too heavy. The shaft performs better in C8 or D/0 Give it a try.... The lighter the head makes a Big Difference...
I play mine at D3 and it plays great. I tried it at D0 like suggested but my dispersion was awful. Didn't bring it to D5 like my irons but D3 added 10 yds of carry and my dispersion went back to normal.
100%, the autoflex needs to be dialled in, from experience the Taylormade work best off the bat, most other heads need some tinkering
I have a AISmoke Max with my Autoflex 505, SW D0, headweight 192 gram. Don’t know the weight of the Triple Diamond, but I’m guessing more heavy, so SW might be to high, depending also on the length of the shaft ofcourse…
You are correct!
playing mine at d1 and its distance and dispersion perfection.....ai smoke max head turned down to 8 and playing d1 perfect 505x
I have tried 3 of these shafts. I am sr now 12 handicap. They fit me for the 405. Pxg weights reduced. It was a fishing pole for my quick tempo. Then we tried the 505 regular and then stiff. On the couse my consistency was not worth a few yards on a perfect swing. Glad i got it out of my system
You might want to try the Accra F3.0 140 M0, like they did on TXG, as another Autoflex alternative. Maybe one thing that Autoflex has done is get people to rethink the shaft stiffness that will work for them and consider softer shafts to get more kick and clubhead speed, instead of the old thinking of needing it stiffer, especially with higher SS's over 100. Even the naming of calling a soft flex a "senior" flex highlights the old thinking that softer shafts are for old folks with slow SS's. I guess the question is if you are going to game that "senior" shaft now in your bag?
Last year my new Mizuno STX was a shorter 44.75 and moved to regular shaft. I gained speed and center face strikes more often. Carry was up 6-10 yards. It is worth a look for some. Shorter for me is easier to control. Which then leads to better and quicker swings.
Solid review. I remember Golf Digest doing an article with Raymond Floyd with light clubs for the time (D 0 I believe). Raymond commented he had trouble feeling where the club head was and wasn't as confident in finding the center of the club which showed in inconsistent results as did the autoflex. I am considering adding weight to my driver in an attempt to "feel" and better confidence. Again, good review and look for the your next vid.
Great test Alex. I’ve been thinking about buying a softer shaft & doing the same test myself. Great video.
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I am 65 yrs old, club head speed around 88 mph. Recently I bought an Autoflex SF 405. With my other shafts which are usually 55 gm my total distance is at max 220 yds. With the Autoflex my average is around 220 yds but when I hit a good one, I am able to bring it up to 240 yds. Point to note, I lower my loft of my driver, My driver is 10.5 degree but with the Autoflex, I dial the loft to the lowest which should be 9 degree. I read on many forums golfers using Autoflex shaft need to lower the loft and put on lighter weights on the head.
Calloway was just at our club and I was fitted with the triple diamond with that same senior shaft. I have a swing speed of about 95 and that shaft was light and felt so smooth. I was hitting the ball 25 yards further than my Stealth and the dispersion was tighter. If you are going to spend this much money on a driver get fitted. They tried three other shafts before they got me in the right one and it is heaven.
Often a shorter shaft can give better results as you get more centre hits. As you showed in the video the auto flex was so wippy at the club head it must have been difficult to find the centre of the club head when swinging. What shaft do you normally play - perhaps it would be a good test to play your current driver shaft against the senior flex shaft with the same club head.
Great video, Alex! How about testing the new new Fujikura Axiom graphite iron shafts!
Could be completely wrong but I'm sure the autoflex is supposed to be setup in a lighter swing weight around low C range. But that that the results was brilliant. I had an autoflex for a while but I snapped the tip was good fun but never really got a good run at gaming it.
Would love to see the g430 lst ve the 10k g430 please.
Dumina recommends C79-D0 for SF405, D0-D1 for SF505, D1.0-1.5 for SF505X and D1.5-D2.0 for SF505x. I play mine at 47" and around D2.0.
Interesting thing i noticed between the two shafts is the autoflex shots seemed to be more down the middle of your target vs the senior that had more fade to the right and just hanging on to the "fairway".
Bevause its 1" shorter.
hey id really like to see the stix 3 pc distance set tested also the strata 12 piece starter set. if u have time the wilson d300 iron set vs a more expesive set
Alex, I read approx 15 months ago Ricky Fowler reduced his shaft length by 1 inch. I cut 1 inch from my driver shaft, it certainly has given me more consistency just has you pointed out. Now because i am now more confident off the tee it has added a few extra yards. Probably a little more roll on the fairway than in the longer stuff.. ⛳🏌️
I have the sf505 AF and a project x 5.0 hzrdus red. My swing speed is just under 100mph. I have yet to compare the shafts for distance and spin.
But I have hit them side by side and what I notice are these..
1. AF has tighter dispersion
2. I can get aggressive and the AF still felt smoother and found the center more often than with the hzrdus red.
But on a side note. My TM mini burner is 20-30 yards Further in total. And that has a stiff RDX hzrdus shaft
Great review. I am alwaus interested in shafts and how they react to the swing. Like you I always go stiff shaft. I am rethinking that for this season. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for challenging the convention on "light shafts" when others are adamant to keep playing stiff, stout shafts.
Would you test a senior shaft vs a stiff shaft, your shorter length shafts with a club head speed between 90-95 mph?? Also trying with 9° vs 10.5°? I know its a big ask, but I think it could help many golfers with slower swing speeds decide on what next to consider. Does the softer flex result in more shot dispersion can also be answered.
love the videos alex, but question for you pal, did you test autoflex with a swing weight of d1.5 to d2 pal, i have autoflex and love fast club speed and ball speeds, but shaft has to be used with that swing weight. it is even recommended by autoflex to have the swing weight only between 1.5 and 2.....
None of these so-called experts ever follow the manufacturers recommendation.
@@drbopperthpPerhaps…but to be fair, if you went to any golf course, anywhere on planet earth, 9 out of 10 golfers wouldn’t be able to tell you the swing weight of any club in their bag. Or break 80.
What senior shaft did you use in auto flex trst
I will cover this in another video! Thanks for tuning in 🙌🏼
Nice video! Guess I would have just gripped down on the Autoflex a bit to match the other shaft and make the comparison more even.
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Awesome what is length of that senior shaft
lets see that little adaptor or have some info.. i have a 2 clubs id like to swap stuff around with .
Anyone ever get Info on this adapter?
The Aldila Ascent 50g in R2/senior flex has an extremely whippy low end like the AutoFlex and is in the $60 price range. Couple of seniors that I play with went to this shaft over their previous senior flex and picked up significant carry yards.
I have the AA 50 gram regular in my STX-230. I too gained yardage and speed. It is 44.75 inches. It goes longer the easier I swing. Center face hits go!!
Really enjoying this little series. Just a fun thing to do.
AJ at #MobileClubmaker did a cool experiment getting a light Motore F3 regular flex and getting similar results. The shaft helps with sequence. Strike is also king! I am also a believer is bend profile and not stiffness.
Have you tried the super hybrids from Callaway?
Would also love to see an AVX v’s TP5x comparison video. Thanks Alex
Also with your swing speed, you should have went with the SF505XX. That would have put you in a better swing weight but that XX is built for people who have around 110mph swing speed and above. The SF505X is too light and whippy for you and you had the swing weight wayyyyy to high. If you get it correct it will def increase your distance and swing speed.
Alex as a senior who enjoys your coaching, I can no longer buy the shafts for my regular shaft [non-senior]. if your can see your way to send me the one you just tested it will be shown to all my golf mates and probably will improve my fading distance.
Did you change the weights in the driver head after making it shorter? 1 inch is close to 4-6 swing weights lighter.
Hi Alex
As a tinkerer of shafts on my rogue max driver. I’m curious to know the total length of the driver with the senior flex compared to the auto flex. I’m 69yo & still game a 65g blue Tensei XS shaft. I even bought the newton shaft & it didn’t compare to it.
I’m about to test a project x 5.5, 50gram shaft against my gamer to see if it can beat it.
I’ll get back to you as soon as I have the results. Great video for nutty tinkerers like me.
Love to see the G430 LST versus the G430 10k same loft and a Ventus Blue VeloCore shaft.
make it Ventus Blue TR and we are cooking
Mine didnt so much add yardage as much as it added carry. My launch went up and my spin went down slightly. Now that Im used to the timing i find it hard to use anything else.
The AF is longer then you add 1/2" with the adapter. You have repeatedly shown better contact etc with shorter shafts in DR..
DOES AF Have a shorter option? The SW for AF needs to be a low end. Could you counter balance the AF shaft??
If you did this test in studio ,what would the fsce impact pattern look like on the 2 shafts??
Let’s see that senior shaft in the Qi10, Max 10k and the Dynapower Carbon back-to back please, Alex.
Ooooo yes!! This is a great idea!!!
Fascinating! It’s made me realise I probably need a senior shaft. I’m going for a fitting next month. I’m thinking QI 10 max with a senior shaft! I can’t wait to try everything out! Another great vid Alex. Do you give lessons btw?
I research shafts also and there are older better ones. How you feel it in your hand z and during swing!
I've been playing Wedgewood senior shafted clubs for 3 years. 65 YO now. Curious what distances you find. SW 54* 95, 8 iron 38* 145yds 5 iron 26* 195. Each club is about 2* more loft than std clubs.
You need to have a lower swing weight for the autoflex to work correctly.
What is josh's distance with his normal driver?
Be interested to see the shaft perform in the pxg black ops tour head Alex. From what I've seen it's low spinning bomber
That’s a great idea
What are the specifications of the senior shaft?
Any chance of head to head of Sim2 max and Qi10 standard driver
What length shaft do you game? I have been wanting to try shortening my driver shaft. I use the one length hybrids and It's a world of difference in contact and distance with accuracy being shorter. Thanks
You need to test the AF against the ACCRA FX 3.0 140 M0 - as it is very comparable but more stable to get your ball/swing speed. Also someone else made a comment on swing weight I cannot remember where AF excels (could be D0 to D1 at the max) - the TSR is a better fit vs the Callaway etc.
Callaway works great - you just need to take out 4-6g of head weight. Autoflex shows up as "just OK" every time a RUclipsr just does a plug & play. That's not how it works. It requires some adjustment/proper setup. I took out head weight and went down in loft with Autoflex vs my previous Ventus Blue and picked up 15 yards of carry.
Alex....Question.. You never mentioned Which Autoflex Shaft did you use? Sf505 Stiff or Regular ? and what make model and weight was that Senior shaft / Thx Stuart.
Yeah good point i will try and cover this in another video!
It would interesting to see that shaft in a PXG BlackOps.
If your good at golf hitting it straight then play the lightest shaft you can handle. If your are shite at golf play shafts with lower spin to minimise side spin so your left and right side spin are less so that your misses are limited. You will hit it shorter but will be in the fairway then concentrate on coping and putting rather than hitting it 300yards.
I swapped paradym x with cypher 5.0 senior flex for a titleist tsr3 with autoflex sf505. Dispersion & distance better with autoflex. Probably depends on swingspeed, mine is slow. No issue autoflex is better for me
I love it! Well done.
Great video Alex. What were the exact spec for the VRTX project x senior graphite shaft 40 or 50?
I have the same question alex
40!
Great review. What shaft is the senior one . Weight, brand, flex ,length
I'd love to see a head to head of the Callaway utility wood and the Cleaveland hywood
ALEX Id love to see you try out the Krank Fire driver that De Chambeau uses and me.
Noted!
How about testing some other "Custom shafts in light weights,..eg, BGT-Brava , OBAN. purple...VA etc.. they are less costly than Autoflex..
so are we saying try a low spin head with a senior / light shaft maybe ?
So save the $800 to play some really nice courses, #2 at Pinehurst(the only one there I havent played) and a few other courses, and get a $50 senior shaft, lol. It seems that "autoflex" is just a gimmick to get golfers money at this point. Oh, and I always feel that have have better control of the club head when I choke down a bit so the shorter shaft just probably gave you a better feel and a freer swing.
Have you tried those shafts in the ping 10k
Hi Alex can you try Autoflex vs Accra FX 3.0 140 MO shaft? Or vs the Mitsubishi Vanquish?
yes!
Look up ottophlex, this is interesting. But also people misunderstand autoflex, it needs to be the lightest possible. When it first came out it was 405 and 505… then they added x and xx which just added weight, and the distance gain was lost. You have to have a good tempo, if you do you can get to ladies flex and ultra light ..
The thing is controlling spin levels, so it’s a case of changing your swing and reducing the loft, check your apex on these drives and land angles, there is more to be had here
Last year, I used a $60 senior flex shaft with PXG 7.5° gen4 loft driver head. I hit 380 yrds in 2 rounds, and 400 yrds as my longest drive of the season. The 380s were on a 39 yrd uphill hole, and 400 on level par 5 fairway. This year, After I broke a rib last year in July, I have cut the shaft by 1 inch to be closer length to my irons. We'll see if I can get that back up to 315 avg this year.
What flex is the autoflex sf505 or sf505x
Hi Alex my club head speed has dropped to 85 should I play senior shaft or how can I increase my club head speed I played as low as 5 at moment playing. 11 thanks bud
Hi Alex, can we some some Miura iron testing please?
Ooooo yes I would love to try the clubs
When calculating swing speed decrease due to one inch shorter shaft. You need to calculate the total length including length of arm. This makes the percentage much smaller.
I believe every golfer has there own natural swing frequency/ speed.
8 years ago when i was 52. I was tired of spraying the ball all over.
So i cut 3 inches off the butt of my driver. And still love it 8 years later.
For years i have been asking youtubers to try it. None have tried it.
Mini drivers... why would manufacturers shorten the shaft for more consistent drives. Then make the head smaller. Its a contradiction. Only pros can hit a mini off the fairway.
My plan is to get a Ping 10k. Cut 3 inches off and to get the swing weight back. Add 25 grams of lead tape and make it a 12.5k driver.
Most pros play a standard length driver . Maybe 1/4 to 1/2 longer or shorter.
What makes anyone think a weekend warrior can handle a standard length shaft?
On another note. I recently switched to JumboMax grips. Love them.
When gripping a standard grip now. It feels totally wrong.
As a test at the range. I asked a 12 year old girl to try my 8 iron with the jumbo.
Her swing instantly became shorter and less floppy. All plusses.
Use the sf405 is a better autoflex fit for you
Good job! Thx
112 mph clubhead, 20 degree launch angle, 2,000 backspin = 300yrd carry. 104 mph clubhead, 20 degree launch angle, 2,000 backspin = 280yrd carry. .......with 1.5 smash factor.
What was the model of the Sr shaft
vrtx
Try aT350 with senior shaft, please. 🏴☠🏴☠🏴☠🏴☠🏴☠
Could be the weather looks cold with heavy air
Test it with a 40 gm women's flex same length. Might really surprise you.
good point
What senior shaft did you use
I mentioned it in the video, the vrtx
Alex compare Autoflex to Freeflex FF45.
Would ladies flex driver shaft be even more flexible than the senior
You can see with shot tracer that you're throwing up knuckle balls.
You're gonna hit it further by imparting a little right to left spin.
I have a buddy that plays a SR flex driver because he did not know what he was buying. He smokes the driver down the middle. 😂
Face it, Alex, you're just an old soul. 😁
Haha i think so too!
Stop at the top of the backswing. A slight hesitation before the downswing will reduce the flex.
"Oh my God, it feels so small"
THATS WHAT SHE SAID!
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850.00 is part of the great golf equipment hype.
So where did the mud come from .. Dirty ball ? if so shot is void !! Now try with an equal length Autoflex..
You can build an auto flex from a Riptide CB, two flexes softer
Oooooo like this idea 💡
I see you watched the elite golf breakdown like I did. I have been playing a riptide CB 40 A flex ever since.
Results?
I have gamed it ever sense, alot less strain on my body to create same swing speed and ball speed.
It’s funny…all the folks commenting here, talking swing weight. 90% of golfers couldn’t tell you the swing weight of any club in their bag. 90% in stiff or x-stiff, are playing the wrong shaft, and 90% have never (and will never) break 80.
Could we all agree to start asking ourselves what the purpose or “goal” of playing golf is?
And if your answer is anything close to spending hundreds or thousands of dollars, just to pickup a handful of yards, you’re headed in the wrong direction. Here’s a question that might get you on the right track. What is your proximity to the hole with a wedge in your hands? Or better yet…what is your make %, putting from six feet?
Would you consider NEVER being able to drive it over 240…but having a stroke average of 75? If your answer isn’t an emphatic yes, what exactly are you doing?🤷🏻♂️
You failed this test for Autoflex it's all about the weight and every one is different read up on it!
Test that senior shaft head setup vs your gamer!!
This is a brilliant idea!!
My comment is on the dividers used on the range, few years ago at our range I got hit in the face while standing behind the hitting area filming a mate. Video is “ get the f**** off this range”
Dangerous set up…
You’re playing the Autoflex in the wrong swingweight.
You can't talk to these boneheads.
To be fair Autoflex’s main difference isn’t just “ 20-30 grams lighter”. They also claim to have a much different bend profile.
Hi Alex. You should try a steel iron shaft cut to Driver length! It would be very interesting to see how it performs. 😁