Sergey Zerkin Lange and Journe make a small number of watches compared to what VC, AP, and Patek do, is that right? You have to consider quantity in the equation don’t you?
@@golfbuddy1969 no, why ? What does quanitiry have to with any thing? Plus ap is one trick pony .. with terrible movements ... that break and cost 5 k to repair .. I love vacheron.. but it's hard to justify any watch from their catalogue:( the market has always better and more interesting watches for any given price
Sergey Zerkin yes I understand the skepticism on your part... but when you are building very few watches, and very few models, you can give them more attention than a manufacturer that is doing multiples.
@@golfbuddy1969 not at all .. Rolex makes the best watches and they make millions of them .. they don't break... Ford Henry made the best cars thya never broke .. he made millions of them ...while go buy Maserati... youbhear people only complaining .. go on whatuseek you see the most complainers from vc .. and those are not 8 k watches like Rolex.. those are 25 and plus watches.. sure the movment is rather new .. but it's not an excuse
Patek is my grail as a brand in general but I agree completely with you Tim on this one, the VC, no contest. Thanks for another, as usual great review!
Great information. I did not think about hiding the dial time gmt function under when at home, which I do on my PAM 986. On the list at AD, buying for travel because of the 3 strap function, 1 and done for travel vs bringing multiple watches.
love that Aquanaut, but the Overseas has grown on me a bit over the years (I still like all the other Genta technicals more). Kinda wish there was a no-date option to make it more practical as a secondary watch. Either way, the Overseas jumps from looking the part of the Aquanaut to the Nautilus rather swiftly. The two extra straps (leather and rubber), in addition to the bracelet, make for an excellent staple watch. edit: dang, and it has a Geneva Hallmark, and is antimagnetic. Excellent watch.
I've never understood the allure of the Aquanaut. The caliber is decidedly nothing special and the fact that I have to cut the strap to make it fit (with no ability to adjust on the fly) and can only make the fit tighter over time boggles my mind at this price level. The VC is at least an order of magnitude better than the Aquanaut unless the buyer simply must have Patek written on their dial.
That hidden travel time hour hand wins it for the PP in my book. Best method for tracking two time zones on the market IMO. Also love this thinner case and that rubber strap looks perfect on it. I'm going Patek
I’m a sucker for symmetry on a dial, and appreciate the PP for that, however the Overseas v3 has been my favourite luxury sports watch since release, and the 9 o’clock indicator and 4 o’clock pusher just aren’t enough to change that in this case. That being said, it is my third favourite Overseas behind the 3 hand date (my grail), and Chronograph (reverse panda specifically).
Well put as usual however, despite the great secondhand value of the VC, one seems to force himself to love it because of the sheer value on offer but even on my larger wrist it is just overwhelming, and I did try on the blue dial variant which as an object is absolutely gorgeous but as a daily wearer feels off... thus the used prices, especially in HK. Too bad, it could have been the ultimate watch. I’m actually awaiting this Patek at the moment.
I have this very same Overseas! I cannot take it off! And I use all 3 straps! What a bonus! The dial never ceases to impress. I know it’s no Patek but the movement fits the case and it is Geneva Seal. It’s a world class watch. Do I still want a Patek? Sure. I’m not dumb. But hey I could use both and sell a Rolex to make room!
I choose the Vacheron Constantin Overseas Dual Time over the Patek Philippe Aquanaut. I think Vacheron Constantin design is more beautiful. I like the Vacheron easy changeable big Maltese cross bracelet, I like VC case shape, dial and the open case back showing the compass sun rotor. I like the VC manly big size.
While the patek has a cleaner dial, the VC wins for me. More strap options, longer power reserve, better dial and cheaper. VC wins this going away - just with the bracelet alone.
I’ve never been a great fan of the Aquanaut, but I actually like this variation, very slim for what it offers. Certainly more than this 3rd gen VC Which I still think is not as nice as the 2nd gen. And very generic looking compared to the Patek. The only thing on the VC I like better is the bracelet design, which I still think is one of the best out there.
Vacheron by a mile that rubber design is the worst in the industry after you cut the strap for your wrist that’s it if you want to sell the watch to someone with a larger wrist you need a new strap and it isn’t cheap
I like the PP better (aesthetically), but I don’t like PP, particularly the aquanaut (worn exclusively by engineers who rock running shoes with mom jeans). For that reason I’m team VC.
Price point, availability, and second hand prices, VC sure. But baring all those uncontrollable points and based simply on design, beauty, and art? PP please.
I love the Vacheron but I think the winner is the PateK. The aquanaut does not look as dressy or as intense as the overseas, the dial is simpler to read and the hour changing feature is extremely useful
The PP is lovely but the strap sizing is a disaster. Having to cut the strap is just an awful idea. The VC rubber strap is simplicity in itself and just works for everyone.
I would honestly get the vacheron, never really like the grenade dial of the aquanaut. Too bad it is next to impossible getting both watches thru the AD.
This was a very good review but @ 7:25 mark of your video regarding the VC? in fact the local & reference hands can overlap each other when not using the dual time feature ruclips.net/video/z_v5IcpaM38/видео.html
I own several high-end timepieces, including PP 5712 and Aquanaut. Aquanaut is by far my favorite timepiece, incredibly comfortable, accurate and precise. It is addictive to wear it and it is in a class by itself. I like it above PP 5712. As for VC Overseas Dual Time, the watch is unacceptable to me because of the 4 o'clock pusher. I despise 10 o'clock and 4 o'clock locations for the pushers. They are automatic deal-breakers for me. De gustibum non est disputandum.
The Vacheron is for sure the better value for money, but the Patek rules in the wearability department, and I just cant stand the clutter in the Vacheron, even though the dial is beautiful, and I would like to see a numeral dial on in too as I prefer it to the minimalist just indicators look. Tldr: Vacheron is has better finishing while the Patek is better looking
Basically the VC wins in all objectives categories. Movement, straps, water resistance, etc.... Hence what you end up paying with the aquanaut is the name. If you buy a watch you should not. And you still think you need something you should not buy. Then don't buy an aquanaut.
Vacheron wins..Patek I overrated....Don't understand the "instagram" followers...Seriously, 35hr power reserve and non-hacking movement (i.e., 324sc)...?? Patek is ridiculously overrated. Social media and fanboyism can be a bane to common sense.
the price talks for itself... people buy this patek for 40k euro .. and the shitter that breaks after one day (read watchuseek) for 20 ... so yeah you decide ...
Andy Reiter 🙄 There’s a video of a nautilus 40th anniversary chrono, far more expensive than either of these, with flyback resetting to 5 seconds instead of 0. One defective piece doesn’t make it a shitter, especially when ALL brands, including Patek, experience defects
What a fantastic showdown and your coverage! I was looking for exactly this comparison. Thank you Tim and what a great commentary voice you have!
Great program - great images of both pieces side by side - nothing better then seeing them both at once. VC would be my choice for sure. Thanks Tim .
VC with the blue dial would be my choice
Knockout delivered by VC! I love the Overseas- my favorite design from the holy trinity.
Holy trinity is patek Lange and journe
Sergey Zerkin Lange and Journe make a small number of watches compared to what VC, AP, and Patek do, is that right? You have to consider quantity in the equation don’t you?
@@golfbuddy1969 no, why ? What does quanitiry have to with any thing? Plus ap is one trick pony .. with terrible movements ... that break and cost 5 k to repair .. I love vacheron.. but it's hard to justify any watch from their catalogue:( the market has always better and more interesting watches for any given price
Sergey Zerkin yes I understand the skepticism on your part... but when you are building very few watches, and very few models, you can give them more attention than a manufacturer that is doing multiples.
@@golfbuddy1969 not at all .. Rolex makes the best watches and they make millions of them .. they don't break... Ford Henry made the best cars thya never broke .. he made millions of them ...while go buy Maserati... youbhear people only complaining .. go on whatuseek you see the most complainers from vc .. and those are not 8 k watches like Rolex.. those are 25 and plus watches.. sure the movment is rather new .. but it's not an excuse
Patek is my grail as a brand in general but I agree completely with you Tim on this one, the VC, no contest. Thanks for another, as usual great review!
Love that Vacheron! Awesome review, thanks!
PP have it for me, very good comparison and analysis by Tim.
Great information. I did not think about hiding the dial time gmt function under when at home, which I do on my PAM 986. On the list at AD, buying for travel because of the 3 strap function, 1 and done for travel vs bringing multiple watches.
Price update - $18-20K for Vacheron has increased to $30k I think.
Pushing $40k for blue dial now too 👍
What a verse video...... a hands down for VC Oversea!!!!!
love that Aquanaut, but the Overseas has grown on me a bit over the years (I still like all the other Genta technicals more). Kinda wish there was a no-date option to make it more practical as a secondary watch. Either way, the Overseas jumps from looking the part of the Aquanaut to the Nautilus rather swiftly. The two extra straps (leather and rubber), in addition to the bracelet, make for an excellent staple watch.
edit: dang, and it has a Geneva Hallmark, and is antimagnetic. Excellent watch.
I've never understood the allure of the Aquanaut. The caliber is decidedly nothing special and the fact that I have to cut the strap to make it fit (with no ability to adjust on the fly) and can only make the fit tighter over time boggles my mind at this price level. The VC is at least an order of magnitude better than the Aquanaut unless the buyer simply must have Patek written on their dial.
The Aquanaut was always the budget companion to the Nautilus
It’s a shame that I don’t have more than two wrists. lol
That hidden travel time hour hand wins it for the PP in my book. Best method for tracking two time zones on the market IMO. Also love this thinner case and that rubber strap looks perfect on it. I'm going Patek
I’m a sucker for symmetry on a dial, and appreciate the PP for that, however the Overseas v3 has been my favourite luxury sports watch since release, and the 9 o’clock indicator and 4 o’clock pusher just aren’t enough to change that in this case.
That being said, it is my third favourite Overseas behind the 3 hand date (my grail), and Chronograph (reverse panda specifically).
The Aquanaut is very nice but the VC is just stunning and one I would love to own.
Well put as usual however, despite the great secondhand value of the VC, one seems to force himself to love it because of the sheer value on offer but even on my larger wrist it is just overwhelming, and I did try on the blue dial variant which as an object is absolutely gorgeous but as a daily wearer feels off... thus the used prices, especially in HK. Too bad, it could have been the ultimate watch. I’m actually awaiting this Patek at the moment.
Vacheron totally owns Patek in every way
lmao. time has proven that wrong.
@@DonLee1980 time didn’t prove shiet. The comment is still true 2 years later
Should compare an aquanaut to a breguet marine.
I have this very same Overseas! I cannot take it off! And I use all 3 straps! What a bonus!
The dial never ceases to impress. I know it’s no Patek but the movement fits the case and it is Geneva Seal. It’s a world class watch. Do I still want a Patek? Sure. I’m not dumb. But hey I could use both and sell a Rolex to make room!
VC is no Patek , VC is VC with long history and pedigree!
I choose the Vacheron Constantin Overseas Dual Time over the Patek Philippe Aquanaut. I think Vacheron Constantin design is more beautiful. I like the Vacheron easy changeable big Maltese cross bracelet, I like VC case shape, dial and the open case back showing the compass sun rotor. I like the VC manly big size.
VC's dial and bracelet beat out PP. To P or not to P. That is the question. 🤔 Not to P. 😁👍
VC for me but second gen is more like my budget although I prefer the third. More elegant , well if you need elegance in a sports/tool
watch?
i'll take bracelet watch over strap any day any night
Very good watches patex Philippe y vacheron Constantin the best watches the wold
While the patek has a cleaner dial, the VC wins for me. More strap options, longer power reserve, better dial and cheaper. VC wins this going away - just with the bracelet alone.
VC easy win - the more I see and handle the VC overseas the more I like it. I prefer this Naughty, Overseas then RO in that order
Aquanaut by a mile. It has so much character and is executed with absolute elegance.
I prefer the dial of the VC. There is something I don’t really like in the Aquanaut. I definitely prefer the Nautilius line.
I’ve never been a great fan of the Aquanaut, but I actually like this variation, very slim for what it offers. Certainly more than this 3rd gen VC Which I still think is not as nice as the 2nd gen. And very generic looking compared to the Patek. The only thing on the VC I like better is the bracelet design, which I still think is one of the best out there.
Vacheron by a mile that rubber design is the worst in the industry after you cut the strap for your wrist that’s it if you want to sell the watch to someone with a larger wrist you need a new strap and it isn’t cheap
The pp 5164R is my all time grail
I'll go Aquanaut. The extra pusher and AM/PM indicator kill the VC OS for me. Not a radial date guy.
PP Aquanaut for me please🥇🏆
I like the PP better (aesthetically), but I don’t like PP, particularly the aquanaut (worn exclusively by engineers who rock running shoes with mom jeans). For that reason I’m team VC.
vc for sure but in blue dial
Price point, availability, and second hand prices, VC sure. But baring all those uncontrollable points and based simply on design, beauty, and art? PP please.
100% agree - forget hype the VC is MUCH better all round
I love the Vacheron but I think the winner is the PateK. The aquanaut does not look as dressy or as intense as the overseas, the dial is simpler to read and the hour changing feature is extremely useful
The PP is lovely but the strap sizing is a disaster. Having to cut the strap is just an awful idea. The VC rubber strap is simplicity in itself and just works for everyone.
I would honestly get the vacheron, never really like the grenade dial of the aquanaut. Too bad it is next to impossible getting both watches thru the AD.
The VC Overseas all day, my grail, the PP Aquanaut disappears into the ether next to the VC Overseas.
The fit and finish of the Aquanaut doesn’t look like PP quality.
This was a very good review but @ 7:25 mark of your video regarding the VC? in fact the local & reference hands can overlap each other when not using the dual time feature ruclips.net/video/z_v5IcpaM38/видео.html
PP anytime its an eye catcher. VC looks more similar to grand seiko
Great comparison! I personally prefer VC over Patek, but I don’t like this VC dial. In this match, I’m going with Aquanaut.
I picked Patek.
that patek strap blows.
On the Vacheron you can hide the gmt hand do your homework Tim I have the watch
I also hide mine under the hour hand
I own several high-end timepieces, including PP 5712 and Aquanaut. Aquanaut is by far my favorite timepiece, incredibly comfortable, accurate and precise. It is addictive to wear it and it is in a class by itself. I like it above PP 5712. As for VC Overseas Dual Time, the watch is unacceptable to me because of the 4 o'clock pusher. I despise 10 o'clock and 4 o'clock locations for the pushers. They are automatic deal-breakers for me. De gustibum non est disputandum.
Very well put! I agree completely. Just one correction with your Latin ... it’s De gustibus (not De gustibum) 😊
The Vacheron is for sure the better value for money, but the Patek rules in the wearability department, and I just cant stand the clutter in the Vacheron, even though the dial is beautiful, and I would like to see a numeral dial on in too as I prefer it to the minimalist just indicators look.
Tldr: Vacheron is has better finishing while the Patek is better looking
Overseas for sure. Those pushers on the PP look weird and are not needed.
Aquanaut the biggest ripoff in the watch industry
If for myslef will be the VC. to show off to others PP.
Patek Philippe Aquanaut LIKE, Vacheron Comment why you would chose it over
Basically the VC wins in all objectives categories. Movement, straps, water resistance, etc....
Hence what you end up paying with the aquanaut is the name.
If you buy a watch you should not. And you still think you need something you should not buy. Then don't buy an aquanaut.
most important: you have a chance to buy vc with your money...
VC would get the start, with the PP warming up in the bullpen to come in late and keep the win going
Overseas
Vc after market is 33k+ now lol
the Aquanaut looks like it came out of a cereal box.
Oof, nothing about the Aquanaut is gentle on the eyes
VC
Neither, prefer date apertures to pointers.
Vacheron wins..Patek I overrated....Don't understand the "instagram" followers...Seriously, 35hr power reserve and non-hacking movement (i.e., 324sc)...?? Patek is ridiculously overrated. Social media and fanboyism can be a bane to common sense.
Aquanaut for me. Not fan of the asymmetric VC (both on the dial and the pushers).
If you haven’t owned a 5164 you wouldn’t appreciate its appeal.
I’m a big VC fan but Patek wins hands down.
Aquanaut all day
Two colossi
I love VC, but in this case I prefer the Patek.
Aquanaut looks like a toy. Why would people pay crap-tonne of money for this mediocre watch, I'd never know
the price talks for itself... people buy this patek for 40k euro .. and the shitter that breaks after one day (read watchuseek) for 20 ... so yeah you decide ...
Andy Reiter 🙄 There’s a video of a nautilus 40th anniversary chrono, far more expensive than either of these, with flyback resetting to 5 seconds instead of 0. One defective piece doesn’t make it a shitter, especially when ALL brands, including Patek, experience defects
Hmmm... One watch is instantly worth $10,000 more... other $10,000 less any idiot would know which one is better
Watchjds ignorant comment
VC- peasant , non- elegant , cheap look, Americans love it , I know,
Patek wins , class , form, symmetry . nobility.
This vacheron is a joke .. especially if you can get the batman ..
André well said
@André thats what she said!
Yes Rolex is king. even if some people cant accept it, because they cant afford it!
Tiger M if you can afford a Vacheron or PP ...than you can easily afford Rolex which is way lower end
Rodrigo Quintero Bejarano nope it depends on which model! And not in the second hand market. Then Rolex Rules except the nautilus
VC