[READ DESCRIPTION] Doctor Who - Mentioning Rose [Series 3, 4 & 6]
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- Опубликовано: 10 окт 2013
- NOTE: I will delete all Martha or other companion hate!!
They were all great companions and I don't want companion hate on my Videos!! YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!
ANOTHER NOTE: I am aware that I forgot the "You had companions who could absorb the time vortex", "Not if you're blonde" and "Everyone but Rose" scenes!! THANK YOU. And I didn't mention the easter eggs in season 4 because we SAW her. It is a video about MENTIONING her. (Well, apart from the "Give me someone I like" scene. But it was just too cute!)
Clips are from:
3x00 - The Runaway Bride
3x01 - Smith And Jones
3x02 - The Shakespeare Code
3x03 - Gridlock
3x08 - Human Nature
3x11 - Utopia
4x01 - Partners In Crime
4x11 - Turn Left
6x08 - Let's Kill Hitler
6x13 - The Wedding Of River Song 
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It always makes me so sad how little 11 mentions Rose... It's like the 50th anniversary. The one who regrets... and the one who forgets.
Eleven remembers ("I never forget a face") but he had to move on.
... Maybe it's the fact that I can't move on from Rose that makes me want the Doctor to never move on. Donna's the only other companion I've loved as much as Rose (haven't seen the classics yet).
songsfromtheheart37 If it makes you feel any better, when he knew his life was nearing the end he still wanted to go back and see her again, even if it was just to see her as a child 8:02
11 purposely ignore. Just take a look at how he had been ignoring his wife after The Library. (Then again, she was technically alive at this point since River hasnt been born yet or is in Stormcage.. Timey wimey, its confusing)
It's because Moffat wanted to move on and tell his own stories. RTD was kinda selfish in the way he wrote Rose.
he was in love with rose. it has been confirmed by the writers and the actors themselves. there's a long meta-analysis about the extent to which the doctor relied on rose. the tenth doctor is the most "human" doctor because he was born out of rose's humanity. rose represents the tenth doctor's compassion, humanity, and happiness. he needed her too much. when he loses her, he starts to lose that humanity he had gained and becomes darker. season 3 - the end of time is the tenth doctor learning how to live without her. when he meets her again in season 4, he's in a healthier mental place, and he is able to let her go with the acceptance that she would be happy. it was the combined loss of all his companions that brought him to his own downfall. it's very interesting and very deep.
can you link me to the meta?
Crystal Wong
Here's a few links, these are all incredibly interesting:
winterinthetardis.tumblr.com/post/15956434368/meta-doctor-rose-as-my-otp
itsvolcanoday.tumblr.com/post/26738018946/rose-tyler-and-the-allegory-of-humanity
galifreyy.tumblr.com/post/87008700316/the-doctor-and-rose-just-complete-each-other-she
You're welcome :)
Thank you :)
mimiHTcat That was a great read... Thanks for sharing these! ;-;
I neededd this comment
I like that 10th always, while mentioning Rose, repeats "She's alive, She's happy"...His eyes start to shine immediately.
He's been telling himself that for a very long time to try to ease the pain of what happened.
@@hjames_ they meant tenth says "she's alive, she's happy"
instead of "I can never see her again" to ease the pain.
Matt Smith even said he would've loved for Rose to have been one of his companions.
But Steven Moffat didn't give two shits about that!
@@uscman well... Keep a companion for 3 fucking doctors? Yeah, no. That's pushing it
@@uscman well ya hes to sexist to stay with one women for more then 2 seasons.
@@CalliesWeirdLife i dont think its the sexism that stops a companion lasting more than two seasons
@@kennethkennethson4991 I'm not saying its sexist for a companion to stay for 2 seasons or less I'm saying hes sexist and just wants more and more different women
"Well, you can lose me!"
Donna...you can never take back what you say.
hunterkiller1440 “well, you can hurry up and lose me!”
Ligma memes
hunterkiller1440 she may never be able to take that back, but the doctor is a good enough person to forgive anything, and I am sure he has.
hunterkiller1440 and Donna has learned so much from the doctor to ask for forgiveness, unfortunately she lost all that as well, she was truly lost, so lost it never happened for her.
Donna Noble has left the library
If you pause at 3:53, when he is the 'human' Doctor with the journal, The words say 'In my dreams, she keeps walking away. She will not answer me, she keeps walking away.' It broke my heart. rose/Doctor was endgame for me.
I'm late, but in a section near her eyes it say 'She was my s'
It's not finished but you could probably work it out 💖
I like it when people remind the doctor of Rose, because it's like she's never forgotten, she's mentioned at least 3 times in every series with David Tennant, and a couple of times with Matt Smith...
Some companions are never mentioned after their time with the Doctor...
Amy is mentioned with 12... She will always be the girl who waited...
@@Kipperlab "This is when I miss Amy"
Tbh that's why, even though 12 and his seasons are great, I just feel...I just don't feel much. There's no or barely any mention or memory of Rose, nothing.
I never realized how overshadowed Martha was by Rose throughout her seasons.
10 dumped on Martha from a great height.
I love him but I really hated how he treated her.
Martha was definitely being immature. She couldn't understand the idea of him being just a friend. She may as well have been a teenager
@SteveyTheEx-Eevee 100%. Man was grieving the loss of his love. Of course he's gonna think and talk about her. I do think Martha was a good character cause every good one has flaws.
If you pay attention, when Martha and the 10th are laying down, Martha thinks about kissing him, but the second he mentions Rose, she pulls back slightly, indicating that she lost her chance and that she lost completely to Rose.
@@gamingmaniactv5050i don’t think she does think about kissing him there, i think it’s just them being in a physically close situation
When you think about it, he had just lost Rose in the Runaway Bride. He burned up the star, the projection faded and then Donna popped into the TARDIS. You can really understand why he is still mentioning her so much. He didn’t have time to do is usual run off and sulk across the universe.
There's also that tiny scene in Utopia where Martha asks the doctor if he just leaves them when he gets bored and moves on and Jack says "Not if you're blonde." I've been looking for something like this for ages, thank you so much.
Ah, yeah. Forgot that, too :s D:
"Oh SHE WAS BLONDEEE!!"
Omg when he says "her name was rose" and he has tears in his eyes D''':
Her name IS Rose
When he said "I could help Rose Tyler with her homework" I started hyperventilating, almost passed out, then started sobbing, because I thought that we'd see her one last time...
Ikr da feels doe!!! ;'(
After rose left I would cry every time something reminded me of her
Weird flex but ok
r/thathappened
I didn't like Donna at first because she kept bringing up Rose & hurting the Doctor's hearts but then she grew on me & now she's one of my favorite companions. Martha was ok; I don't love her 'cause she kept trying to make the Doctor love her when it was obviously not going to happen, but I don't hate her 'cause she was pretty bad ass and being bad ass always earns points in my book.
It's hard not to love Donna, she was badass. The only one outside of Nardole and River that could kick the Doctor's ass. And the whole "I could sort out the Universe in 5 minutes, if I had more time" thing was just heartbreaking.
I understand why they couldn't bring her back instead of Clara with that Time Lord moment-stopping-thingy, it would end the series right there, but logically they should have. She became more powerful than Rasillon himself!
When I was watching the first episode with Donna I kept thinking "please, don't make her his new companion" because it looked like an obvious thing to happen but I really didn't like her, probably partially because of how much I liked Rose. But when she came back after Martha it was so good. That whole pantomime between Doctor and Donna right in the middle of spying on possibly dangerous people is just amazing and now Donna is one of my favorites ❤️
I can't help but feel sorry for Martha how awkward must she feel. And I loved Rose. Cried when she left. But yes all of them were good. I was glad to see that 11 gave them a mention. The other pervious.
There's also a scene in A Christmas Carol where Kazran asks the Doctor 'If you could spend one last day with your beloved, what day would you chose?' that correlates to his last day as 10, when he chose New Year, 2005, and went to see Rose.
It could be anyone though. He could think of Donna & Martha or Sarah Jane Smith, Mel or all the other Classic Who companions. Maybe even Susan, even though she was his family, beloved does not equal lover.
That's true, however the parallel being drawn was with a man and his lover. Also 'with your beloed,' rather than 'with your most loved,' or something. Beloved tends to mean 'in love with', rather than a loved one.
I think he meant when river died, or when he saw rose, but yeah both work lol.
he was totally thinking about rose, doctor who encyclopedia confirmed the only person the doctor was ever really in love with was rose.
Victoria Virtue Why not river?
I like how he sees himself and says, "Give me someone I like"
The Doctor is so cute how he mentions Rose, but he can be such a dunce to Martha by doing so! Poor Martha, but his loyalty to Rose makes Doctor Who all the more sweet.
Also, Donna, annoyed at the Doctor: "This friend of yours, just before she left, did she punch you in the face?"
I loved Donna's face when she sees Rose behind the Doctor. : )
The tenth doctor and Rose was a love story. And like all good love stories it ends in desperate tragedy. It´s gonna be hard not having Rose and 10th together we can at least say that what they had none of the companions will ever have again .... That´s what´s keeping me living otherwise I´d die from sadness
Well there is 11 and clara. They actually do like each other. 11 risked going through his time stream to save clara. She went through his to save all of his other faces. In the She said,He Said, clara sorta says she fell in love with him. And she didnt wanna leave him or want him to change/regenerate on the Christmas special. On he said she said he called her Perfect for him n too perfect
HottieJonnyROBLOX
Yeah that´s true but I still think that Rose and ten was the best. But I also think that their love died when ten regenerated into eleven...However that´s what doctor who is about- someone always leaves so another one can arrive :)
9 and Rose were better than 10 and Rose.
Maybe nine was much more open to his feelings to Rose that ten. On the other hand I think that nine didn´t really know that he loves her that much and when he regenerated to ten just then he realized how much he loves her.... But that´s just my opinion...
***** but thing is rose and 9 really showed the love. But soon as be regenerated. In the special she thinks 10 is just a stranger who replaced the doctor (sorta what the fans always think they judge every new fucking doctor and hate. Its annoying just cause he fucking changes doesn't mean hes not the doctor hes always the doctor no matter what)and then 10 had to basically reset the relationship with rose. But it would work with 11 too. Why? Not cause the personality its jsut him thats it. And also cause it started with 9. He left. Relationship continues with a new 10
"OHHH big mistake, because that name keeps me fighting"
Who can deny that 10th Doctor (Tennant) loved Rose Tyler? All those clips, he loved her!
Yeah and it's sooo wrong!
TheBrester Spencer A 900+ year old Time Lord loving a 19 year old human, nothing wrong with that :P
TheBrester Spencer But why would he love a human who broke down barriers of all parallel universes killing everyone!? Also Rose cried because the human doctor wasn't the same.
Are you serious?
Watch Journey's End, yes i'm dead serious!
11 helped rose with her homework, how sweet, and sad
1:20 the entire song was basically describing The Doctor and Rose.
Fun fact: That song was specifically written for that scene!
But you took me in, you stole my heart, I cannot roam no more,
Because love it stays within me, it does not wash up on a shore
...he really did love her
I don't know, I think the reason why Ten was 'mistreating' Martha (pertaining to one of the comments on here) is because Rose has been there since the *first season* of the non-classic doctor, the one we learned to love. She's been such a significant part in the doctor's long life that she's one of the most loved companions by the doctor and she's gone now. Of course if you loved someone, you wouldn't forget her after two episodes of her gone, now would you? Of course the Doctor would keep his distance at first to Martha, since his hearts were basically torn apart after having to leave Rose in another dimension, and he (i think) can't cope with the fact that Rose is gone, so instead of crying and being like a human being, he pushes everyone away o conceal his emotions.
Martha seemed really jealous of the Doctor and Rose's relationship, I didn't really like that about her but she was a good companion nonetheless.
But I agree, she was good in season 3, but her in season four was quite terrible to say the least.
pushing everyone away is a very human reaction
Don't forget right after the Doctor tells Captain Jack that Rose is alive.. when Martha asks if the Doctor just gets bored and leaves them and Jack says "not if you're blonde." and then Martha gets her nose out of joint!
"She was blonde?! Oh what a surprise!" Lol
"Give me someone I like" 7:52 - this is heartbreaking, to think that the Doctor doesn't like himself :-(
StillJustDreaming Kind of sad the way the TARDIS tried to make up for it too. The Doctor still hates himself for the time war and she knew that Rose was the one who put him back together again after it, the TARDIS tried to replicate it after he said he hated himself.
Anyone else feel like 10 was being unfair to Martha?
hahahaha yes, a little. I liked that when she prefer to stay home she explained why and all that. "Ever heard the word 'rebound'"? xD
Paulina Macias Martha is one of the most underrated companions in the entire show.
It's true. But then again, when I was watching series 3 right after series 2, I felt the same way The Doctor did, so I can understand why he was like that
Continue_Testing I think you mean that you liked Rose? It all depends on whether or not you like Rose, despite RTD shoving down your throat that Rose is the perfect companion. *Spoiler* She's not.
HOOAH13579 Yes, I liked her and so did The Doctor. That's why I think his reaction to Martha is definitely not nice, but pretty understandable, no matter how good Martha was as a companion
"And... we where together..."
GOSH DOCTOR!!!! Gah, can you kill my feels even more.... *Cries...*
6:43 that face. God Tennant is great. You can just see what he's thinking. But he can't be sure. The way he interrogates Donna after she mentions the 'Woman' being blonde.
6:53 and then the way his face changes. It's just.... great.
SEEE! This is CONTINUITY! Yes you mention her one or twice Moffat, but see, this is the proper way of connecting 3 seasons together.
And for the first time in a while, I now get it why Martha left. The Doctor did much better with Donna though.
7:42 always makes me smile!!! David didn’t know about this scene, he hadn’t read the transcript, so this was his genuine reaction 😍😍😭😭. One of the directors behind Donna was motioning for him to turn around 😍😍
He was so in love with Rose it breaks my heart
"Well you took me in, you stole my heart, i cannot roam no more-"
he was thinking about rose as those lyrics played
imma go cry now
"Her name was Rose"
1:06 That is an important piece of dialogue there, when he reflects on when he first spent Christmas with the Tylers (and Mickey)... Because nowdays he does this all the time, the Ponds had him over for real family situations and by s8, he practically lives in Clara's appartment and workplace... and that's what it's been like for most of the new series with him getting to meet most of the families... but Rose was the one who first "domesticated" him.
Although in part, it's because most of the classic companions didn't have that many ties to their places of origin, they usually either had no families or were glad to get away from them.
It was a telling little moment in DotD when the War Doctor, despite having already done plenty of gavillating around on places on Earth, was the only one of the three who had no idea what a cup-a-soup was, because, of course he didn't, that sort of thing you use on busy, boring days that aren't worth cooking properly? When'd he need one of these before, say, some day when he happened to be stuck at Jackie's or Sylvia's while they chatted with their daughter and got hungry XD
If you look hard enough then you will see that there are tons of really descret mentions of Rose in seasons 5 and 6. Donna nearly killed me in the first episode with her. When we first meet her and she asked about Rose, I cried my eyes out and screamed at her, but I like her now! And I don't hate Martha. She was just..... different.
Can you point some of them out ?
I think I missed them.
I want rose back
Rose is my favourite, but I love Donna too. She was always so kind and compassionate. It's what I loved most about her and Rose.
I seen Season 2 SO many times and I still sob uncontrollably when I watch Doomsday...;_; I will never get over it.
Gone but never forgotten.
I’ve always thought that Donna respected Rose and her memory also the Doctors love that her. Martha was jealous of the way that the doctor felt towards rose as she couldn’t understand why he didn’t feel the same way for her
It kinda breaks my heart when 11 is saying he wants a different interface and Rose comes up and he says "Great. Thanks. Give me guilt!" and when he says he could help Rose with her homework. At least it shows he will never forget her no matter how old he gets
i really did feel sorry for Martha, she was doing all she could to gain his admiration and all he could do was bang on about Rose. i mean, i know the 10/rose was a love story (i am a 10/rose shipper!), and he was grieving, but still, i did feel for poor Martha.. she was a brilliant companion
Ok so Rose is stuck in a parallel universe and The Doctor can't be with her but is his ultimate goal to fix the walls of the universe so he can get back to her?
No he doesn't plan on looking for her, Rose is living her own life with Doc 10.2 in the parallel universe now :(
The Doctor never forgets all those people that have died or left him he can't look back because it would tear him up and he might even cry so he keeps going forwards so he doesn't have to deal with himself weeping.
I like Donna but: " you could hurry up and lose me" was just not nice at all...... I mean come on look at his face, when someone say that with this face you can understand that she is dead ( even if she is not...)
Think about how she felt, though. You're on your way to your wedding and suddenly you're in a spaceship with some guy you don't know. In this situation I wouldn't care too much about "an alien".
Let's be honest. Donna was a bit of a b**** when we first met her.
Rose obviously is one of the best companions, and her leaving was devastating, but I like that Donna came and because such good friends with the doctor wasn't trying to replace rose like Martha was. I think Donna really helped him through losing rose
I never hated Martha but it's just that she can't trump the other companions. I loved Rose and clearly the Doctor was still mourning her. Martha was too busy being in love with The doctor and the doctor was too busy being lovesick about rose. He started to mention rose less in season 4 because Donna was a really good mate and she don't take any bullshit. She just sass him back! Martha's season was kinda a season to let the doctor heal from his loss
Great vid! Another indirect mention, in my opinion, is the Lazarus Experiment. The doctor says to Lazarus, as he is dying 'some people live more in 19 years...' Rose was 19 when the Doctor met her.
Thank you! I have been looking for something like this for the longest time. I just now got into Doctor Who. Even more recently got over Rose leaving long enough to continue. I fell in love with her and her story with the ninth and tenth doctor.
Oh now I miss her :(
I thought Rose and the Doctor-Donna would be in the Day of the doctor, it would have been a great way to bring them back. But the idea of giving a conscience to the Moment was good so I'm not complaining!
my heart will forever break for Martha
Whenever they do a 'love' with the Doctor, we all compare it to Rose because that's the only love story with him we've seen. River we were only 'told' he loves her, and then they snogged a lot and had a shotgun wedding. We didn't see it develope or why he would love her. The Master he loves like a very hated brother. And everyone else he is good friends/mentor/brother/sister-like with. So... Yes. Rose is it.
Gosh, it's depressing isn't it?
I get your point about 11 and River, that's why I don't really buy their relationship - it's just so seemingly random, just like River herself with her appearances in the show. And not everyone else is a friend, student or sort-of sibling to him. Explain the explosive yet simmering romance that 11 had with Clara. Clearly the best love story for the re-boot.
Zach Brookes Do you mean the crush Clara had on him that was only recipricated with flirting 11 never intended to act upon? And then Clara stopped wanting him because he changed how he looked and we were all told not to think that was shallow?
I dunno', Twilight's got something on that.
I feel so bad for him did you see his reaction he just lost his girl and he didn't need to be reminded of it
6:50 always gives me chills...
Me to
nice compilation, but you missed one I can think of: The Master says "You had companions who could absorb the time vortex" in 3x13 - Last of the Time Lords.
(just thought I'd help out)
***** well remembered my friend!
Also, don't forget the various 'easter eggs' in season 4, i.e the end of 'partners in crime' and at one point on a monitor on 'midnight' just to name a few
geofaxx47 Sure yeah if you're including physical appearances as well as just characters saying her name, oh and in The Poison Sky (Sontaran Part 2) she appears on the tardis tv.
geofaxx47 Yeah I saw all of em too in that epi and others and I would start yelling at the Doctor to flipping turn around.... lol
Guys, read the description!
I love it when he calls Donna brilliant T_T it's so cute, she feels so special
You are brilliant. I love this video.
I agree that the tenth doctor was unfair to Martha, but also how would you feel if you had lost your best friend/girlfriend? The doctor was angry and upset about roses loss, and you can't help it if you love someone. Martha was just someone to keep him from being lonely, and he can't help it if some of his anger reflects onto her.
*smacks head repeatedly against wall* ALL MY FEELS!
The Feels. They're running like a River now.
I'm only 1 minute in and I'm tearing up!
Martha/Freema is absolutey bloody lovely. Stat.
I have to laugh at Martha cos she kept dropping big hints and the doctor always shot her down. If I was her I would of given up on the second attempt
love this video, love the two of them
I love Martha to glad to see someone else does 😌
You know a sad thing is even if the doctor loved her she would probably never have loved the doctor because of the regenerations
Every time I see that scene when they are reunited and Rose's theme plays I cry.
Also in "The Lodger" when The Doctor had the memory share thing no other companions were shown only Rose all of the doctors and Amy at the end.
I hate that Rose is the only companion that gets mentioned this much. The Ponds were a big happy family for the doctor. They were his best friends and they always stood by them. But he almost never mentions them.
that's definitely on the producer. moffat mentioned former companions much less frequently than davies did.
@@KHGSMel Yeah I mean he did a great job with the story I just hate the way he handled companions leaving. It's almost as if 11 didn't even care about the Ponds after he found Clara.
Because The Doctor loved Rose and out of all of them she had the biggest impact on him
Thanks I needed to cry today
I really want the 13th doctor to mention Rose again
When Donna mentions Rose, I usually smile, but whenever i see the scene where she picks up Rose's top, I always think 'Why is Rose's shirt just lying there in the console room?' Did something that I don't know about go on? And don't give me none of that 'It had just been washed and was being hung up to dry' crap.
They definitely had sex. Don't even try to convince me otherwise.
Rose is always leaving her crap around when there is a sad scene concerning her. When she was with the 9th doctor and he and Jack thought she died, Jack found her jacket in the same place.
Remember in the ep New Earth she was wearing layers and Cassamdra took the top one off. That was the same top, I believe, she must have grabbed it on her way back to the TARDIS and never put it away
What about in the doomsday episode at the end when she says about the baby and he asks if she's pregnant?
Definitely some timey wimey space sex between those two.
poorer Martha, Love Doctor so much, but he never look at her in that way.
there was also the fires of pompeii, she is returning, and then in partners in crimes, what about rose then in midnight, i had friend who was lost in the parallel universe.....but great video thanks for making it ive been trying to find something like this, i just love rose, shes my favourite companion.
I need several years to be able to watch doomsday without crying. The bay scene is just too painful. It traumatized me lol
BANG! RoseTylerMarthaJonesDonnaNobleTardis
S4E10 "Midnight"
What about the episode Fires Of Pompeii where whats-his-face says 'doctor, she is returning!'
OH GOD! I totally forgot that! Thank you!
***** No Prob!
Ummmmm no he wasn't. The bloke I'm referring to is Philip Davis who played 'Lucius'. Peter Capaldi portrayed a man named 'Caecilius'.
6:53 You can see the sheer TERROR on 10’s face when Donna gives him Rose’s message
All this is just so sad...
Imagine if this was the parallel universe and you were really rose Tyler O_o WOWIE
jade smith Who's telling you this isn't the parallel universe?
Rose Tyler No-One, awwwwwww, I WANNA TRAVEL WITH HIM
Alexa play despacito
Hello.. its me ..the doctor .. ?!
Do you understand how much I cry when I see this
The references to Rose in Matt Smith's era of Doctor Who are the definition of half-assed!
The way he smiled when donna said "rose is coming back.. thats a good thing right" i wanna cry 😭🩷
Personally, I get neither this idea of Martha as a shallow, jealous resentful person, nor the notion that the Doctor somehow mistreated her. It was all a sad misunderstatement, really.
Wether you're attracted to someone or not depends on a lot of factors in your life story and biochemical responses; It's neither a judgement on the other person's worth nor in any way an act of throwing one's self-respect away or having shallow ulterior motives; Sometimes it just happens and sometimes it doesn't.
So just because she dares to have the hots for someone, (especially someone rather good-looking, funny and charming) she gets dismissed as a silly fangirl with no life? Seriously, Martha spends the whole season showing us what an independent, level-headed, badass and self-respecting person she is. Just see her reactions to the Master belittling her or Joan doubting that she could be a medical student; She showed those guys up and laughed in their faces. She could totally handle herself, think quickly and make herself supremely useful. Forwardly going to get what she wants with a guy and feeling annoyed when he keeps going on about someone else is just part of that; You have to keep in mind that she's a college student, not a young girl who just recently reached adulthood. She was a very patient, supportive and loyal friend who supported him a way different from Rose (Without either being "better" than the other - Though Rose could very much tell him to his face when she disagreed with him, the aesthetic employed was different, it was mainly played for her being pure and empathetic even toward a Dalek or something or offering a different POV) For example, Rose never found out what his home planet was called, knowing that it was a sore spot; Martha extracted an elaborate description from him because she wouldn't take bullshit/ felt she deserved that he be open and honest with her, and that was exactly what he needed at the time, someone who'd reach in and pull him from his shell wether he wanted to or not, who'd be like, "Stop the emo wannabe loner routine, either you give me a key and let me come with you for good, or don't."
She was that sort of supportive friend you can always phone and depend on, and who'll tell you to get your shit together for your own good. Which was why he talked to her about Rose in the first place, because what does anyone do when they lose their girlfriend? Yes, go to their pals for support, which, of course, can backfire when they secretly have a crush on you that you're too dense to notice. But that she was able to partially put that aside and still gave him the support he needed should really speak for Martha's credentials as an unselfish supportive friend, not diminish them.
She and Rose just came from very different backgrounds, (Rose with her pennyless single mother that taught her humility and empathy, and Martha with her large, noisy complicated family that taught her to take responsibility early on, she didn't have her parents all to herself) and therefore had different streghts; Not that Rose was in any way stupid, she made good use of the thinking capaity she had, but usually, her contribution to the episode would be to emphasize with, comfort, or get information out of the locals; Her cooler moments mainly accentuated her courage. With Martha, you could immediately tell that she's much more intelligent and able to come-up with strategies, and it was her ability to remain calm and function by herself that got to shine, although she did get scenes where she supports some local ladies, it was more in her usual function.
And it's good that they're different, because if I wanted to see smeone like Rose again, I'd just go and rewatch s1 and s2 again. Trying new things keeps it interesting and varied.
If Martha had not come in right when he was still all distraught, he probably would have been more receptive to her advances, although judging by the kind of things that frustrated her, Martha was probably looking for a different type of man anyways; Someone more proactive who'd show their feelings more openly.
For all his charms, the Doctor's a socially inept, awkward/ oblivious guy with his head full of other concerns and a tendency to gloss over difficult things of that sort rather than talk them out, and if you wanna be with him, you sort of have to deal, which the various ladies have done in differing ways. Rose seemed to just accept it and seemed perfectly satisfied with their progression/ like it suited her as much as him, just as it was (although one could perfectly picture them winding up engaged eventually they hadn't been separated when they were, especially with the "I want to stay with you forever" line and the very next episode featuring a Wedding; The subject would just have come up in conversation.) River basically compensated by supplying the aggression that wasn't comming from his end by herself and since she's not the type to be tied down or owned by anyone, or otherwise plays by the rules, she doesn't expect that of him, either. And Clara just learned to read his little cues very well and which buttons she has to push to get the reactions she wants, although she doesn't always suceed... but, often enough; Although she has the advantage of thinking a lot like him to begin with.
Actually, he did deliberately mistreat her and push her away. Even David Tennant and RTD confirmed these things. He wasn't much of a friend to her like he was with the others and that's where their season is more of an emo sob fest than the seasons he had with Rose or Donna. There was a purpose to it through that is lost on quite a few people. Martha got him to get past it and overcome that time in his life where he pushed people away because he was tried of caring about people and losing them-not only Rose, but Gallifrey, his companions, everything...so he needed someone but pushed Martha away so he wouldn't care about her and in the end he ended up caring about her either, but it was worse losing her because he never got to really know her and have good times with her like he did with Donna and Rose. Those sweet, heartwarming moments to comfort him in his dark times. However, this character change in his brought out a lot of great stuff for season 3. There was great character development because of this. Martha and him had this student-teacher relationship with her having a crush on the teacher type of thing and it lead to Martha struggling to constantly better herself which lead to her being an awesome companion and she helped the Doctor to move on from Rose without even realizing it. Season 3 is very complex with this storyline and the characters. It's worth the rewatch to go back and catch these things about their story. In the end, it all worked out for the best. Martha might have had to suffer, but it's those who suffer who get the opportunity to learn and become stronger and she certainly did. That's why the music when she leaves is called Martha Victorious. The Doctor is the one we should feel sorry for in the end-not getting to know his savior. Who saves him many times psychically and emotionally. But Martha, while mistreated, made it out better and kinder than everyone. She's not the one to feel sorry for. She got out of Rose's and the Doctor's shadow and proved she could be just as great as them.
Meangrl19 I'd like to see links to the actual quotes; There's a lot of a difference between just having a hard time coming out of your shell/ opeing up to people after yet another dissapointment (which I never disputed) and anything you could call "deliberate mistreatment", with actual meaness or carelesness to it. Never blame on malice what you can explain with ineptitude.
That they never had any good times at all and that there was nothing more than a pot of toxicity for her to overcome seems overly negative/ not fair to what we actually see in the episodes.
Sure, there were some things about the situation that she wasn't okay with, or, she was just generally there to explore the scenario of a person who might certainly have an enriching experience and gush about the cool places she got to see, but might not necessarily want to do this her whole life/ want a break from the danger involved especially after that huge debacle with her family getting targeted (While Jackie couldn't stand our dear protagonist at all in the beginning and he didn't make much of an effort to get along with her and Mickey, things eventually worked out - but they might not have, and Martha got to get unlucky in that respect)
Of course, Martha generally came from a background where she always had to put the needs of her large diffucult family before her own, and even though she saw a chance to take a break from that, she ended up in a bit of a similar dynamic anyways and had to learn to think of herself a little, too, and extricate herself from a situation when she felt it was just making her unhappy, or when she simply had enough upheaval/ hardship for a while.
Personally, I didn't see anything that would steer anything in the direction of "teacher/student" either/ don't get where this idea comes from, he doesn't like, give her life lesson speeches or show her how to do stuff; Out of the new series companions Martha's probably the one who does the least in terms of aquiring skills or qualities simply because she already brought a lot of those with her, it just seems like a random label to slap onto it, it was more of, just more generically friends or at least 'comerade' or partners-in-crime, from the beginning she was like, "You gotta earn that title as far as I'm concerned", not, like, settling into any situation/dynamic where he'd be the authority in any way.
When I find it, I'll send it your way. As far as the teacher/student dynamic, while he doesn't necessarily go out of his way to teach her things, she learns by watching him and applies it to how she saves people. It can't be denied that Martha had to stand on her own and save herself more than the others. That's not to say Rose and Donna did not at all, but Martha had more times where she had to stand up and be the Doctor and actually grow to be able to stand in his place and fill his shoes so to speak. Martha wasn't so perfect when she stepped in the tardis. To put it simply she had the book smarts but not the street smarts. Sure, she was clever and knew things Rose Tyler didn't like how to save someones life medically and what made a human body function, but that's about it. She had not grown up like Rose. She was shut out of the world by her mother, while Jackie let Rose run a lot more freely, as Rose was more of the adult in that dynamic[no offense to Jackie], Martha wasn't allowed to experience life the way Rose did, like having a serious boyfriend or be able to live dangerously with her mother around blocking her at every turn. She was not allowed to experience life first hand and that's what the Doctor gave her. The ability to finally live her life and explore and takes risks. She grew in that sense. Even though Rose was bored with her life, she had those chances in the past to make her own way in life and do things her way and take respsonsibly for herself ext, which Martha didn't have the opportunity to do till now. She also grew because she often had to stand alone in situations and think quickly to save herself or others. Which is a way that all of the companions grew, but Martha had to stand alone more without the Doctor guiding her or coming in quickly to save the day. She became the Doctor in her own right in that season, being able to save herself and the Doctor and that's why I say she way like the student becoming the teacher in her run as a companion. She was able to get out of Rose's and the Doctor's shadow. Also Martha suffered all this cruelty[I am referring to others not labelling the Doctor as being cruel] and it only made her kinder. It spurred her on to be better and fight them as the Doctor would. The Doctor did put her down and often didn't give her a chance to. For example, Shakespeare code when he told her you're a novice nevermind ill take you back home tomorrow. While calling someone a novice/new wasn't rude, especially since it was true, it was rude how he implied that Rose would know but since Martha was new she wouldn't. Didn't even give her a chance before blowing her off and then told her he was taking her back home. He also held off on giving her the tardis key for a while that's why Martha was in awe of it when she finally got it. He was always telling her he was going to take her back home/pushing her away. he didn't constantly do that to other companions like Rose and Donna. I understand why he did it and I feel for him, but he did treat Martha badly compared to the others. I want to be clear: I do not mean that he abused her or was violent with her; I simply mean he pushed her away and ignored her a lot more than the others. I understand why he did it, but that doesn't make it all right and he did have a lot less friendship scenes with her than with the others. Martha's season was a lot more emotional than Rose or Donna's because there wasn't constantly drama coming from both of them. I'm not complaining it made the story deeper, but still, it was a lot more emotional. It had to be for Martha to get him to open up about his feelings and get him to move on though. That's another way the student became the teacher. Martha got him to open up and move on from Rose[not get over her]just move on and she also taught him[unintentionally] not to take another companion for granted. I want to be clear that I don't mean the Doctor was abusing her, they just had less fun/silly times together. Then again, what makes a friend? Having fun silly times together or having those deep talks like how the Doctor felt about Gallifrey. Sorry, my ramblings lead to realizations sometimes. I guess Martha and him are only equally as close as the others are with him because she was his support and a bit of his therapist that season getting him to move on from things, but their friendship was based on that, their drama, instead of being giggly together like he was with Rose and Donna. When the Doctor looked back on his times with his companions, he could have those giggly playful moments to look back on with Rose and Donna, but not with Martha.
I kept wishing that David would be the doctor for ever (no more reincarnations) and that rose would be with him and their love would grow stronger and blah blah blah. But the show must go on and it is after all a scifi series and not a romantic drama. But David Tennant will always be "the" doctor to me.
People hate on Rose, but I loved her.
Rose miiight come to the 8th season finale, or Jack! Would be awesome with Jack, or Donna or Martha. Beacuse the episode summary says "Old friends is going to come back"
With Moffat as the showrunner is probably Amy and Rory again.
Suspect it means some Timelords rather than companions, I think Galifreys not going to make an appearance til series 9 but the Timelords probably will. Allot of people myself included reckon Missy is the Master in a female regeneration.
If Rose comes back with TenToo, that would be amazing, and if ALL of his old companions come back, better, Jack, Donna... i didn't like Martha so far but well.
i dont want rose to come back to doctor who as long as moffats running it, cause he may do something stupid with her character, i want a spin off with rose and the tenth doctor which billie piper said shes very much interested in doing earlier this year, but david tennant hasnt been consulted yet, i want jack to come back tho cause then moffat cant kill him off. :P
I want them (all of his old companions) to come back, but i don't want Moffats to ruin them :/
JACK WENT BACK IN TIME TO WATCH HER GROW UP DAM THATS SAD OMG
there was one small scene missing, but it's okay
it was the one from series 4, "Midnight", where while he's testing the abilities of the creature that possessed that woman he says: "Bang! Rose Tyler, Martha Jones, Donna Noble, TARDIS"
Doesn't anyone else want to know what Rose and Doctor 2 do in the parallel universe? Do they both start working for Torchwood or just running off doing their own thing? I really want to know cause now the Doctor (even if he is half-human) is stuck on one planet (which hasn't happened since his UNIT days) and he's probably gonna get bored unless he finds something.
There was a cut scene, when Rose and Doctor 2 were left in the parallel universe. I the scene 10 game Doctor 2 a piece of the TARDIS to grow a new one. The scene was cut due to not fitting the tone. The cut scene is someone here on RUclips.
Thank you very much, that's made much happier. They really should have put that in.
6:51 lol The Doctors face just screams out "FUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK MEEEEEEEEEE!!!"
that episode, The Family of Blood 3:59 ..it was well thought of but i hate the fact that in that episode the doctor became human (he forgot everything about being a timelord, everything) and fell inlove with a woman whom he saw his future with. he saw himself marrying her, having kids and even getting old. like, when he became a timelord again, he asked her to come with him and be his companion. i mean, come on if she said yes, what about martha? glad she did not. and although i love rose more than anyone, i felt pretty sad for martha in that episode i even cried.
I think he felt guilty about giving her hope, that they could live happily together so he felt obligated to ask her to come with him if nothing else.
Something I’ve noticed is that a lot of people really hate Rose, mostly due to the romantic aspect of her and the Doctor’s relationship. Which sucks for me, because I only fell in love with the show recently, (around the same time the coronapocalypse hit,) and I found her to be an incredibly well thought out character. She relates to the audience enough so that we can empathize with her and see this universe through her eyes, plus, because I wasn’t able to start with Classic Who, I was introduced with Eccleston, and didn’t see anything wrong with the Doctor falling in love. So as I found out after exploring the fandom, that this absolutely adorable relationship that I’d been rooting for, and watching grow, and change, and eventually fall away, was DESPISED by many fans.
Then again, I also really like Whittaker, so maybe I’ll just enjoy anything.
I know this is a relatively old comment, but I feel like a lot of people were bothered by Rose because they thought it was unrealistic for the Doctor to fall for a 19-year-old human. Which... I understand. But at the same time, I always liked their relationship. I thought it made sense in context. The Doctor at that point in history was broken, and the pain of having, as he perceived it, destroyed his entire people, weighed heavily on him. Rose and her family made him feel like he had a place to belong, if only for a while. But he also knew that it couldn't last, and so it gave their relationship kind of a poignant twist. Being with her made him long for the one thing he believed he could never have --- a home to return to.
While I wouldn't consider myself a HUGE fan of the Eleven era, I always found it kind of fitting that he found Rory and Amy and River. They actually DID become his family and helped to at least somewhat fill a gaping hole in his heart for many years.
martha was like "ok im not gonna be this dude's rebound or anything, if he won't stop thinking about Rose I'll just leave him to it" and left
like fair enough i bet mickey was way better to her having had a similar experieoH MY GOD NOW I KNOW WHY THEY GOT TOGETHER ITS CUZ THE DOCTOR AND ROSE BOTH DIDNT RECIPROCATE THEIR FEELINGS AT SOME POINT
It’s also wild when you watch the episode with the war doctor(can’t remember its name) and you realise Rose has been ingrained in his brain since the Moment.
1:14 I FUCKIN' LOVE THIS JAM!
so many feels....
that was 8 minutes of pain I was not ready for. the agony of him, in the runaway bride, lost her seconds before and its there, every second, barely even speak about her and looks like he might breakdown any second. and poor Martha, always seemed to be in her shadow despite the fact she very clearly was obsessed with him. that last scene though, just Donna telling him to tell her himself and he turns and sees her, we don't see her but he does and its beautiful
In series 4 on the episode Midnight,if you look on the background of the television you can see rose trying to get the doctors attention but fails to get it