Cawl:so uh...hm. Gman:cawl what the fuck happened since i was asleep? Cawl:ok so thats a lonnng story but remember lorgar? Gman:who doesnt remember that fuckwit,what about it? Cawl:well because of his holy book... all this shit happened. And other shit. Gman: that...ok that makes sense. ... aside me anyone from the crusade or heresy alive? Cawl:i mean aside bjorn? I dunno actually,well that and probably the fallen Gman:fallen? Cawl:well aparently the dark angels got themselves scared shitless the 1st legion had traitors. And said "traitors" are back sort of Gman:wait how would that-ohhhhhh. ...that makes more sense in that context actually. Evidently enough when i tried giving the dark angels there primaris they were being really jumpy it was really strange
Gulliman: **starts muttering calculations** "This changes my plans significantly. Bolstering our forces reduces the risk of Operation Plasma Spear to 32.23%, viable levels given our dire situation. Increased strength and speed may necessitate rewriting some manuals, not to mention adjusting armor specs and dimensions. Should schedule a meeting with frontline commanders to gather feedback on their performance and for any teething issues. Speaking of, Ultra-HR needs to-"
It sounds stupid but it's actually pretty accurate. Sir Francis Bacon is credited with inventing modern science and all he did was basically say "when you're talking about fact based subjects, use only facts to prove something".
To be fair I don't think Guilliman is the type to get mad at someone just for being self centered. As long as they did their job right and well he probably doesn't give af
The Luna wolves of the terrain imperial guard regiment and 3 company's of the dark angels and nightlords stand with the imperium of man for terra and imperium death to the traitors
Alpha Primus wasn't resurrected, he was created. In that scene with the mirrors Cawl says "don't look at your other reflections" and Alpha does anyway, and he sees one Cawl with 20 versions of him, and realizes he's a chimera made from all 20 Primarchs DNA.
@@soffrenthe resurrected primary refers to guiliman. Cawl ‘saved’ him by building the armour of fate which allows guiliman to survive outside of stasis
A lot of people shit on Belisarius and the “special snowflake marines” While I get where they are coming from, that the Emperor should never be outdone, I feel he hasn’t been. The Emperor made the space marines from literal nothing in mere centuries. Cawl, on the other hand, took 10,000+ years, 90% of the work already done to go off of, and the resources of the entire imperium at his disposal, and only came out with the Primaris, a slight improvement, and still inferior to the custodies.
From nothing the Emperor studied fore millennia biology and made his perfect Custodes and his brutish thunder warriors and he got help making the Astartes from some propetiel ( i don't think this is right written) woman Altrough you seem to not know what crawl really is he is Manny people not only one because he can litterly lode them into his (brain idk) and those gets their knowledge why im bringing this up well essentially there whas a Scientist who worked with the emperor the emperor saw the future of this Scientist (absorbed by crawl) and told crawl through this Scientist what He had to do and stuff
If you think about it that’s most high ranking members of the adeptus mechanicus . It’s just that unlike an actual scientific group they don’t share their discoveries or their innovations. They constantly break rules they enforce to keep control over technology
Cato Sicarius is the best swordsman of all space marines that has ever lived. He kills Blood Thisters left and right. He gets annoyed when he has to walk upto his foe instead of them just impaling themselves on his swords right from the start of combat.
Cawl: *spends 10,000 years being an actual scientist, with access to some of the most secret and valuable knowledge and resources in the Imperium, and creates the first examples of actual technological progress and innovation since the Heresy* 40k fandom: "NOOOOOOOO, MARY SUE! BAD WRITING! NO ONE CAN MAKE SOMETHING BETTER THAN BIG REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"
I think a lot of it has to do with his introduction which was far from great. Rather than building up in the background that Guilliman had ordered secret projects before his 'death', reports of sighting of strange armies on Mars etc etc, they kind of just went "here's this new character, oh he has created super space marines".
@Banyuaigo Because hw had primaris sitting in a warehouse for 10k years. Also, some of the primaris are from the era of the great crusade. So Cawl cracked in mere years and has been sitting on them for millenia for what, exactly? Primaris are kind of cool, it's the itroduction that sucked.
Disappointed Rho left out the part of the conversation where Guilliman said, “Ya ya ya the new army is cool and all, but what of the bigtiddy Aeldari cloning project?”
For all of girlyman and smurf joke Guilliman is a compelling character, he is a man of vision and pushes forward to see those visions come to fruition, sometimes for the best and sometimes for the worst.
@@pierceprzybyla1275 especially after his ressurection. The weight of hope placed on his shoulders being the one and only hope of mankind make him so much better
Too much politics, it would get in the way of his work. It was the same with Bill Gates when he resigned as Microsoft CEO and became the CTO. He'd rather inovate and make new technology than be tied down with beurocracy
@@sachinaraszkiewicz785 in the great work he comments to decimus that he was unaware that the cawl inferior was telling guilliman that and being in charge of the mechanicum would be a waste of his time
@@andrewostman3135 He does. I guess it's up to the readers as to which version we trust more. I personnaly find the Cawl Inferior version more in line with the hubris on display in this video. Cawl really does have an enornous ego, even though he knows to hide at least some of it. For me, it makes sense for him to reveal the scope of his ambition only in very private communication with the Regent.
@@sachinaraszkiewicz785 The Cawl Inferior doesn't feel like Cawl to me. More like an AI program with Cawl's personality overlaid onto it as a user interface. Cawl seems to find it amusing to discover the Inferior is requesting Cawl be named Fabricator General, while at the same time not wanting the role as it will weigh him down with politics that in his own words, he is not suited to.
In his book Cawl is actually confronted about his desire to become a Fabricator-General. And Cawl is almost horrified and like “WTF are you talking about, Felix? I’m a scientist and not a politician. Why the hell I would want THAT role?” Turns out “little Cawl” AI is acting behind daddy’s back.
seriously who in their right mind would want to be InCharge/responsible for a bunch or crazy, religious tech/geeks. when he is currently high enough in rank that no one messes with him and he can do what he wants (in secret) within reason in public.
In "Dark Imperium" the Primarch admits it was a mistake to break down the 500 Worlds of Ultramar, I can't recall him making a similar statement abiut the Legions.
Interestingly, he also regrets handing power to ordinary humans rather than Space Marines. A key tenet of post-Heresy Space Marines - you’re there to fight, not rule, that’s where Horus went wrong - is being overturned by the very man who set it down.
@@kelman727 I must admit I am torn on that. On the one hand, we know from Malcador that it was Emperor's vision to leave Astartes solely in the role of warriors. On the other, Guilliman's Ultramarines ARE designed as perfect statesmen as well as soldiers. How does one square this circle?
kelman727 well, if the Emperor and Primarchs were “alive” mortals would do just fine. But Guilliman saw what they did to Ultramar without his or His guidance. However, they did survive for 10,000 years: fighting agains unending monsters and literal Gods. I mean Guilliman is not wrong, but he could have show some appreciation toward the “modern” Imperium. I mean, they SURVIVED.
Really enjoyed the video. It really was a great decision to make Cawl a "gray" character. Loyal and important to the Imperium, but also potentially dangerous. Hope we will get to see him overtaking the Mechanicus in some of the novels, which would also make him even more dangerous and influential.
In my mind I picture a scene like that in "Soldier" with Kurt Russell where the old Soldiers are compared to the new ones and found wanting in every way except experience.
I don’t know why people don’t like Cawl... from this video I absolutely love him lol... I’m new to warhammer 40k but I’m a fiend for the lore. Cawl is dope
Cawl has been getting a lot of grief about "well if he had these legions, why didn't he unleash them earlier when the galaxy was threatened", but that isn't how science works. Cawl would have had to spend the majority of that time picking apart the gene seeds and experimenting with different changes to see what effect they would have. Supposing he only had the 25,000 on his ships, he wouldn't have been ready. Even with a very liberal estimate, the prepared marines he unveils on the ship would have had to be quite young in comparison.
I now understand why the custodes are so much on their toes right now. The custodes are loyal to the emperor and his imperium. The space marines are instead loyal to the chapter and their brothers, and now all of the sudden there are full super enhanced legions going around the galaxy, unchecked...
Cawl actually has no ambition to be the fabricator General. In "The Great work"He is surprised to learn the Cawl Inferior keeps bringing it up to Guilliman & states he has no desire for politics. It feels like a retcon to me but maybe they'll take it somewhere.
Idk. I think while Cawl may not have a taste for politics, he absolutely has a desire for power. If he were to be offered the position of Fabricator General I have no doubt in my mind that he would accept without hesitation.
@@Penglish56 Na, he explained fairly well why he wouldn't want it. Cawl is fully aware that 90% of the Mechanicus hates him, and the Higher in the rank you go, the stronger that distaste get. He's fully aware that the Mechanicus would escalate into a full-scale civil war extremely quickly if it would even be rumoured that he could get the position. Additionally, he enjoys going graverobbing Tombworlds and developing new technologies, both of which he would have barely any time for if he would become Fabricator-General.
Being Fabricator general would be pointless for him. Right now he has one boss, works his own hours, pursues projects he is passionate about with unlimited resources or regulation. I can’t think of a better position for a mad scientist to be in than that.
If Cawl did create Primaris for all 20 chapters...does that include the II and XI? Even if not, what do the Primaris of the traitor legions do? Fall in under Guillaman? The Shattered Legion template may have a precedent, allowing the strengths of several legions to form custom-tailored battle legions.
You should really do an episode on chapters with questionable geneseed origins. Smurfs were well noted for being the orphanage of wayward loyalists from traitor legions, and personally ive always suspected that the Silver Skulls were of Iron Warrior stock.
Gman spared a word bearer who later founded the ecclesiarchy. He even shielded his existence from the more fanatical part of the imperium even when he realized the stagnation the church had brought upon the imperium. He also employed a warsmith to work on his personal beacon in the imperium secundus. His disapproval of the use of the traitor gene must be partially politically motivated. Maybe some of the new primaris chapters are already based on traitor geneseed and it was intentional. Maybe Gulliman just hide that fact so he can carry on with his experiment?
You can make an anime highschool comedy about the chad popular kid (Guilliman) having an unlikely friendship with the genius nerd kid everyone hates (Cawl). Seriously, I love how Guy Haley writes Cawl and Guilliman. I hated both characters before but now, they are my favorites.
Recent lore has told us that Big E was not directly responsible for the creation of the marines, he brought in the best minds together to do it. Sedane and Astartes herself for example. Cawl did the same, only over a longer time.
Ive always loved the idea of the legions, shoulder to shoulder, artillery cannons firing overhead, forward line breachers with their shields up letting their storm bolters rip, every legionaire behind them in step ready to flood the positions once the breach line has passed them. The sound of that level of firepower to imagine it is impossible but dammit i want it
"So Cawl, you figured out the template that not even my brother Corax, a primarch, couldn't even begin to decipher" "Yep" "Then you improved upon the Emperor's mastery of science and made half primarchs ?" "Sure did" "You also secured the massive amount of resources, technology and people to make this possible ? Then all the gear to train and indoctrinate them ?" "As you do" "Then you secured the cryogenics and stealth tech to hide them away, like some space squirrel storing nuts ?" "I did it all for SCIENCE |" "You did all this while hiding all trails from the Administratum, Cult Mechanicus or even the Inquisition ?" "I managed" "I think you should run the Imperium, I don't have the faintest clue how you made any of that possible" "I secured a plentiful supply of phlebotinum, my lord, sufficient for these works. If its any consolation, I suspect not even Tzeentch or Creed can explained how this all happened either"
This is both BS and quite possible. On one hand the Imperium is huge and most organizatin within dont like to share information so Cawl being shady is not quite suspicious. On the other hand , in the Imperium everyone are watching everyone how can this guy hide such a big secrect
@@minhducnguyen674 There is only so much that saying "the primarch told me to do it" will allow you to get away with. The Inquisition would never allow a repository of the most stable gene seed of the primarchs to be anywhere outside of their control. Mars would never allow Cawl to innovate, they would certainly view improving upon the work of the Omnissiah as blasphemous. The high lords wouldn't commit the resources for it. So Cawl being able to just do it is incredibly improbable, I feel an explanation of the logistics is in order.
Not to mention he single handled contribution to the development of the whole new generation of weapons, armours and vehicles Any nobody heard of him in the last ten thousands years.
@@KaiserAfini I'm not questioning whether the rest of the Imperium would allow Cawl to do that, it's simply impossible, rather how did he hide something that big in the first place
I think in the first dark imperium book, Gully makes a mention of the benefits and downsides of his legion being broken into chapters, fighting fulgrims unbroken traitor legion.
Correction: Belisarius HIMSELF doesn't want to be Fabricator General. He says so in his own novel, to Tetrarch Felix, that he finds politics messy. However, the Cawl Minor is the one that keeps on pestering Guilliman about it, and the Cawl Minor likely has his own mind on Cawl's ambitions.
Primaries are just stronger, bigger marines. They makes great imperial fist but terrible raven guard because of their big frame. They are still weaker than thunder warriors and still fall behind the raptors in production rate. I would argue if he can make lasgun to perform like Taus railguns, now that's groundbreaking innovation
As with good story telling, you need to beef up your heroes before revealing an enemy worthy of them. I feel that these thousands of primaris marines are a prelude to things getting EPIC soon. And we are already seeing that with the Necrons rising. Totally excited. A lot of good books, savage battles, and demon slaying to come.
I mean the Emperor and Malcador themselves allowed the legions of the two lost Primarchs to be used so it's not a stretch to think traitor gene seed is used in the Primaris. Heck there is evidence that some of the chapters that were already around might be from traitor gene seed already.
Heed the warning of Alpha Primus, something is brewing in regards of Cawl's agenda. Something is brewing in the sense of both pride and the Mars born killing machines, something that will test the power structure of the Mechanicus and that of the Imperium. Cawl is someone to keep an eye on at all time.
Made some with the traitor legion gene seed? Sounds like a path for GW to have Primaris chaos marines to me. Maybe they don’t go bad, but if Chaos captures some for experimentation, or one of the “new seeds” is stolen, if it had traitor genes in it logically it might be compatible.
In Belisarius book, he says that he does not wish to be the head of Mars. Indeed he find it fascinating that the Crawl Inferior wish this. So we can guess, that it is indeed the Crawl inferior that has a wish for this power. ((SPOILER WARNING)) We also learn that Belisarius is multiple people melted into one being... so the Crawl Inferior may indeed be Crawl. But just one of the sub personalities that he has taken in... that would explain how it both is and is not crawl, and why it is inferior as it is a singular part of him... and why that part of him wish to be the leader of Mars, while he as a whole does not.
@@g00se0885 Guilliman is treating all the messages from Cawl Inferior as comming from Cawl, even if they were pre-programmed. After all, it was Cawl himself who programmed it, no?
I think Belesarius Cawl will be the Imperiums Balthasar Gelt. Their Ally, Their Friend, Their Betrayer, in the words of Makarov. He’s totally gonna go openly chaos with all these new projects he’s making. Also, the Alpha Legion is the Emperors Wild card.
I love Malice! “We shall deny Nurgle their flesh to fester and rot. We shall deny Khorne their blood and skulls. We shall deny Tzeentch their destinies and fates. We shall deny Slaanesh their pleasure and pain. Death to the Dark Gods! For the Renegade God! Let the galaxy burn!”
Felt like a moment in Gundam where they showcase the mass productions units for the first time. Except in this case, the mass production units have superior stats.
Crawls entrance just sounds like a Hollywood show film, ala the Producers , could very well imagine as his lift lowers down there is a spot light, high kicks and ostrich feathers being flashed about “spring time for the emperor and the imperium Toooooo!”
Another one out the park... Hmm... I wonder if you get credit for repeat views... I seen everything in your library at least twice these days... LMaO... The Badab series is amazing man... I can't imagine how long it took you to prepare it! Based on what I am learning about producing RUclips videos, I got a whole new level of respect for you guys, especially you, Baldermort, and Leutin.... You guys are so consistent.
I could be wrong but how does this work? The chapters are normally in charge of there own recruitment and training. How do the primaris learn there traditions if they are not taught to them by the chapters? There's close secrets each one holds in there training. How can they prepare for that without the interaction. And what about the recruitment it self... space marines are recruited from certain planets that no other organization can recruit from... did he go there and get them himself or where did they come from?
Ok real talk.... this actually is pretty dam cool. When I first heard about it from Arch Warhamer he made it sound ... well worse. The seen is explained quite well. And honestly its kinda cool. It makes crawl a much more... ambiguous character
It's the internet, double check everything, Rho gives a massively less opiniated version of events than most. He's always a good solid base to build this info on.
Arch warhammer suffers from the "snobbish posh english accent" where he sounds like he's being sarcastic about topics whether intentional or not. Plus, he seems like the type of WH fan who treats change to establised lore like pandering to the newer generation of WH fans
@@theoneandonlydetraebean8286 lets not beat around the bush, Arch is a complete twat. I was instantly put off by the voice alone (and I am English myself, with an accent some describe as posh - his just seems deliberately exaggerated or affected), but he is also an alt-right bellend who spends his time whinging about 'social justice warriors' and spits his dummy out every time someone suggests that it might be nice to encourage more women to play the game. His whole perspective is warped by his shitty, regressive political views.
I'm a little fuzzy on all of the details, but we know Cawl has the mind of his former supervisor and all her knowledge, and we know he has the memories and expertise of the very man who made the black carapace. He's got all of everyone's notes, including the Emperor's and Lady Astarte's. In ten thousand years he elevates and refines the entire armory of the Space Marines and doubles it in breadth, creates and stabilizes several new organs, and breeds an army in total secret all throughout, and then brings Rowboat out of stasis and aids in his healing. Also, he's a meme lord.
I thought that in 'the great work' when triarch Felix accuses Cawl of wanting to be fabricator general, Cawl responds with, why would I want to do that and be tethered to mars? When I can be out the imperium? and when Felix asks about Cawl minors asking for it he looks genuinely puzzled/ worried before deciding that he would have to visit guilliman in person later to fix it as it should'ent be asking for it. other than that keep up the good work loving the videos Lord Rho)
I’m still slightly curious where Cawl got all these marines? Were they all from Terra and Mars? Clearly they had seemingly been trained in their chapter’s battle doctrine during their indoctrination but the fact that members of the space wolves Primaris have to be taught the customs of Fenris makes me wonder if Cawl was just snatching up humans or hell even just straight up cloning to exceed Guilliman’s quota. To be fair 10,000 years is a long time so Cawl probably was not lacking for bodies but then you have to think about the over 1000 chapters of space marines there are in the galaxy and how each of them would be brought back to a thousand marines strong much less the new chapters that were created in the Ultima founding from all the marines left over. I know 40k is all about stupidly huge scales of time and numbers but it’s one of those things I like to think about even if it places no really part in playing the game or painting the models.
Ok so on the idea of Guilliman renauncing the 1000 marines per chapter thing and going back to legion strength thing. Did anyone notice the squad number on the reviewed heavy intercessors in last saturday's review. It was XI or 11 and as far as I remember each company had up to ten squads each? Or am I wrong? If not thats a big tell that old Roberto might be going back to bigger chapters at least.
The warhammer wiki confirms the numbers of squads as 6 - 10 man battlleline, 2 - 10 man close support and 2 - heavy support squads for each battle company (which the second is) so I might be on to something. Or it might be nothing. Comment what you guys think
There are members of the AdMech who refer to the Emperor as the Omnissiah (and vice versa). While we know a shard of the Void Dragon was buried on Mars eons ago, and is likely where they reverse engineered a lot of their tech and began to worship, they revere and fear the Emperor, and he can somehow communicate with them through the machine. Crazy relationship going on there. Add in Cawl's multiple consciousness personalities...
I wish that in older books there were allusions to Cawl building the Primaris Legions like AdMech forces being mysteriously found on SM recruitment worlds taking some of potential aspirants with them.
No he may think that his brilliance can overshadow anything. But he does not wish to be the head of the mechanicum. That's actually a copy of his that wants to place him as the head. There is a bit of lore where he learns of his copies request to Guilliman that he be made the head of the mechanicum. At which point he decides that it is a flaw and makes plans to look into it. There's also another bit of lore where he is talking to the emperor. The emperor tells him that though he may think that he is betraying the emperor and Imperium he has and is not but instead is still working for the emperor under his Direction. After of which Belisarius immediately forgets the conversation ever happened.
I desperately want Jaghatai Khan to return so that he could help Gulliman. Jaghatai always been catious and distant to other primarchs. Him, bounding with Gulliman would be a nice touch to his character arc. We would get to see Jaghatais human side that he only showed to Sanguinius just slightly. Just imagine if Lion woke up too. Gulliman as the administrator, Lion as the enforcer, Jaghatai as the general. man that would be cool af.
One thing I’ve never seen an answer for (because primarchs disappear) is how do each chapter respond to their gene-father. Do chapters all fall in line under command of their gene-father? If so, then codex astartes is redundant.
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Cawl: I too am extraordinarily humble.
The humblest humbler who ever humbled.
Hilarious
he is a genius considering the state of the emperium, one of the few hopes in a age of stagnation
Cawl: "BEHOLD MY GENIUS! THE FRUITS OF 10000 YEARS OF INNOVATION!"
Guilliman: "...cool"
That's far more than most.
Given that he called the Ultramarines - strangers
@Ruosong Gao lol yeah pretty much xD
Cawl:so uh...hm.
Gman:cawl what the fuck happened since i was asleep?
Cawl:ok so thats a lonnng story but remember lorgar?
Gman:who doesnt remember that fuckwit,what about it?
Cawl:well because of his holy book... all this shit happened. And other shit.
Gman: that...ok that makes sense. ... aside me anyone from the crusade or heresy alive?
Cawl:i mean aside bjorn? I dunno actually,well that and probably the fallen
Gman:fallen?
Cawl:well aparently the dark angels got themselves scared shitless the 1st legion had traitors. And said "traitors" are back sort of
Gman:wait how would that-ohhhhhh. ...that makes more sense in that context actually. Evidently enough when i tried giving the dark angels there primaris they were being really jumpy it was really strange
Gulliman: **starts muttering calculations**
"This changes my plans significantly. Bolstering our forces reduces the risk of Operation Plasma Spear to 32.23%, viable levels given our dire situation. Increased strength and speed may necessitate rewriting some manuals, not to mention adjusting armor specs and dimensions. Should schedule a meeting with frontline commanders to gather feedback on their performance and for any teething issues. Speaking of, Ultra-HR needs to-"
“I used the ancient art of deductive reasoning. “ - lmfaooo I love 40k sometimes
yea haha
Isn't exactly much used these days either. Corruption and money still king.
Reasoning?? it sound like some heretic ritual ,burn him! just in case.
It sounds stupid but it's actually pretty accurate. Sir Francis Bacon is credited with inventing modern science and all he did was basically say "when you're talking about fact based subjects, use only facts to prove something".
@@motmontheinternet lol bacon
I love how Cawl keeps praising himself especially infront of a Primarch - the mechanical balls of this martian is outstanding
"I too am extraordinarily humble." - Cawl
Literal balls of steel
one of the few advances in 10k years, he has a right to brag...
I mean he indeed is the GOAT.
To be fair I don't think Guilliman is the type to get mad at someone just for being self centered. As long as they did their job right and well he probably doesn't give af
Alpha Primus: Can’t you do something about your superiority complex?
Cawl: But I am Superior.
Hehe lmao
He is tho!
Big E told him so 😁
It’s not a complex, it’s simply true… - Cawl
Gulliman: "No Cawl, I am not making you Fabricator General.,"
Cawl: "Primus, notify the legions, execute order 66"
In some ways it might benefit the Ad Mech if he was, tech wouldn’t stagnate and start to improve.
My God it could be an amazing story!
Holy moly that’s a great idea. And with them giving love to old marines again it could work.
The Luna wolves of the terrain imperial guard regiment and 3 company's of the dark angels and nightlords stand with the imperium of man for terra and imperium death to the traitors
He actually doesn't want to be the Fabricator General and is amused his Minor has been bugging Guilliman about it. It's great.
"You know I hate to brag to a demigod, but-" How I imagine most of Cawl's conversations start
Thing is. Gulliman is a demigod himself.
@@Dannymiles1987I believe that is who Cawl is usually bragging to
guilliman:are they better than the custodes?
cawl:lol...no
*Guilliman does the meme Portuguese guys laugh* lol
custodes could hold there own with primarchs girlyman 😜
kat what is
@@nahyeahwhatsahandle Eh they kinda can actually. Depends on the Custode.
cawl: they always were
Considering how Cawl ressurected a primarch and made the primaris marines then I think his self praise is well deserved.
He’s the only reason the Imperium has a chance right now.
Alpha Primus wasn't resurrected, he was created. In that scene with the mirrors Cawl says "don't look at your other reflections" and Alpha does anyway, and he sees one Cawl with 20 versions of him, and realizes he's a chimera made from all 20 Primarchs DNA.
@@soffrenthe resurrected primary refers to guiliman. Cawl ‘saved’ him by building the armour of fate which allows guiliman to survive outside of stasis
A lot of people shit on Belisarius and the “special snowflake marines”
While I get where they are coming from, that the Emperor should never be outdone, I feel he hasn’t been. The Emperor made the space marines from literal nothing in mere centuries.
Cawl, on the other hand, took 10,000+ years, 90% of the work already done to go off of, and the resources of the entire imperium at his disposal, and only came out with the Primaris, a slight improvement, and still inferior to the custodies.
very well said
this is a good point but it thinks it also the fact he cured the flaws which are a dick slap for some faction like the blood angels
From nothing the Emperor studied fore millennia biology and made his perfect Custodes and his brutish thunder warriors and he got help making the Astartes from some propetiel ( i don't think this is right written) woman
Altrough you seem to not know what crawl really is he is Manny people not only one because he can litterly lode them into his (brain idk) and those gets their knowledge why im bringing this up well essentially there whas a Scientist who worked with the emperor the emperor saw the future of this Scientist (absorbed by crawl) and told crawl through this Scientist what He had to do and stuff
@@umxmarky He didn't, the Blood Angels still have their flaws.
@@connorbaird8596oh which book is this in? not saying your lying just curious
Belisarius "ITS NOT HERESY WHEN I DOT IT" Cawl
If you think about it that’s most high ranking members of the adeptus mechanicus .
It’s just that unlike an actual scientific group they don’t share their discoveries or their innovations. They constantly break rules they enforce to keep control over technology
It feels abit like malcador and the emperors relationship is starting with call and gilliman lol
Makes sense and never thought of that ha
@@nahyeahwhatsahandle Malcador is just above them all.
"Would you like to call Cawl?"
"Call a call to Cawl."
"Calling Cawl."
Ah yes, you just reminded me about that FRICKING CLIFFHANGER!
Its “cawling cawl”
"Hello-how are you- WHAT DO YOU WANT?!"
Better Call Cawl
better call cawl
That line...
Armies, my lord, I have given you legions...
That gave me chills
"It took cawl 10000 years to make new bolters and floating tanks? Not impressive."
"How come primaris keep getting new stuff! Reeeee!!!!"
Primary Marine are fantastic but nothing compares to I, Cato Sicarius.
I cast fist
I believe you forgot to begin with something like
"I, the esteemed Cato Sicarius, quite knowingly and a bit humbly admit that these..."
Cato Sicarius is the best swordsman of all space marines that has ever lived. He kills Blood Thisters left and right. He gets annoyed when he has to walk upto his foe instead of them just impaling themselves on his swords right from the start of combat.
Do they sound like Mickey
mouse though?
Cawl: *spends 10,000 years being an actual scientist, with access to some of the most secret and valuable knowledge and resources in the Imperium, and creates the first examples of actual technological progress and innovation since the Heresy*
40k fandom: "NOOOOOOOO, MARY SUE! BAD WRITING! NO ONE CAN MAKE SOMETHING BETTER THAN BIG REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"
You have perfectly summarized my brother's views on 40k and how he abandoned it entirely.
I agree with you. It’s like a good portion of the fandom just wants stagnation of the lore. But then get irritated that it’s not progressing
I think a lot of it has to do with his introduction which was far from great. Rather than building up in the background that Guilliman had ordered secret projects before his 'death', reports of sighting of strange armies on Mars etc etc, they kind of just went "here's this new character, oh he has created super space marines".
@Banyuaigo Because hw had primaris sitting in a warehouse for 10k years. Also, some of the primaris are from the era of the great crusade. So Cawl cracked in mere years and has been sitting on them for millenia for what, exactly?
Primaris are kind of cool, it's the itroduction that sucked.
@Banyuaigo WTF does anything have to do with Ultramarines?
Disappointed Rho left out the part of the conversation where Guilliman said, “Ya ya ya the new army is cool and all, but what of the bigtiddy Aeldari cloning project?”
ANYTHING Aeldari would do at this point honestly...
"We have THOUSANDS, Lord Guilliman."
"Thousands, you say? I'm sure you're aware the request was for BILLIONS, yes?"
What about the droid attack on the wookies?
Came here to satiate my need for roboute guilliman lore... Need some moreeee. He is my favorite primarch regardless of what others say about him
COURAGE AND HONOUR!
For all of girlyman and smurf joke Guilliman is a compelling character, he is a man of vision and pushes forward to see those visions come to fruition, sometimes for the best and sometimes for the worst.
@@pierceprzybyla1275 especially after his ressurection. The weight of hope placed on his shoulders being the one and only hope of mankind make him so much better
I agree completely. Papa Smurf is best Smurf.
Honestly the books about him have made me come around to the blueberries even if I find Primaris...... Heresy
Guilliman should have given Cawl the task of healing The Emperor.
He surely would have come up with a solution by now
that's rich coming from a cripplingly depressed primarch
Who knows he hasn't he give him multiple tasks equal to this
Have you tried rebuilding him with Cyberdongs, that usually works, does it still works ?
I like how he actually doesnt want to head the mechanicum.
Too much politics, it would get in the way of his work. It was the same with Bill Gates when he resigned as Microsoft CEO and became the CTO. He'd rather inovate and make new technology than be tied down with beurocracy
Except Cawl does make this request repeatedly, and is denied.
@@sachinaraszkiewicz785 in the great work he comments to decimus that he was unaware that the cawl inferior was telling guilliman that and being in charge of the mechanicum would be a waste of his time
@@andrewostman3135 He does. I guess it's up to the readers as to which version we trust more. I personnaly find the Cawl Inferior version more in line with the hubris on display in this video. Cawl really does have an enornous ego, even though he knows to hide at least some of it. For me, it makes sense for him to reveal the scope of his ambition only in very private communication with the Regent.
@@sachinaraszkiewicz785 The Cawl Inferior doesn't feel like Cawl to me. More like an AI program with Cawl's personality overlaid onto it as a user interface. Cawl seems to find it amusing to discover the Inferior is requesting Cawl be named Fabricator General, while at the same time not wanting the role as it will weigh him down with politics that in his own words, he is not suited to.
so Cawl also had a grey army for 10k years...
nice to see we are represented in the lore
Im using this as an excuse not to paint my primaris.
In his book Cawl is actually confronted about his desire to become a Fabricator-General. And Cawl is almost horrified and like “WTF are you talking about, Felix? I’m a scientist and not a politician. Why the hell I would want THAT role?”
Turns out “little Cawl” AI is acting behind daddy’s back.
seriously who in their right mind would want to be InCharge/responsible for a bunch or crazy, religious tech/geeks. when he is currently high enough in rank that no one messes with him and he can do what he wants (in secret) within reason in public.
In "Dark Imperium" the Primarch admits it was a mistake to break down the 500 Worlds of Ultramar, I can't recall him making a similar statement abiut the Legions.
Interestingly, he also regrets handing power to ordinary humans rather than Space Marines.
A key tenet of post-Heresy Space Marines - you’re there to fight, not rule, that’s where Horus went wrong - is being overturned by the very man who set it down.
@@kelman727 I must admit I am torn on that. On the one hand, we know from Malcador that it was Emperor's vision to leave Astartes solely in the role of warriors.
On the other, Guilliman's Ultramarines ARE designed as perfect statesmen as well as soldiers. How does one square this circle?
Huron blackheart! He seemed quite happy to build himself an empire.
I think ultimately it comes down the marine in charge. How big is his ego?
That is near the end of the crusade, so we should see his opinion changing towards this, over time
kelman727 well, if the Emperor and Primarchs were “alive” mortals would do just fine. But Guilliman saw what they did to Ultramar without his or His guidance.
However, they did survive for 10,000 years: fighting agains unending monsters and literal Gods.
I mean Guilliman is not wrong, but he could have show some appreciation toward the “modern” Imperium. I mean, they SURVIVED.
I think Cawl's line to Guiliman about his own sons turning to chaos is one of the most powerful line in 40k
Eh ? I've missed that what book ?
@@bgcvetan I believe it was in The Dark Imperium book
Really enjoyed the video.
It really was a great decision to make Cawl a "gray" character. Loyal and important to the Imperium, but also potentially dangerous.
Hope we will get to see him overtaking the Mechanicus in some of the novels, which would also make him even more dangerous and influential.
Belisarius Cawl is one of the highlights of everything Guy Haley writes.
Guilliman: "Finally something GOOD!, thanks Cawl, I am now just ever so slightly less depressed"
Belisarius, named for another savior of a previous empire.
A greater empire.
And at some point, he was offered a crown by his emperor's enemies...
I dont get that reference, what mean?
@@commieKalmarunion he is referring to the Roman general Belisarius who was emperor Justinian's go to guy for military matters!
@@МахамбетМамыров and he rejected that the most badass way ever!
In my mind I picture a scene like that in "Soldier" with Kurt Russell where the old Soldiers are compared to the new ones and found wanting in every way except experience.
Good movie
good call mate
You mean... I'm not the only person who actually likes this movie?
*sobs quietly in a corner*
When Rho says 'Guy Haley' I just know what I'm about to hear will be good
I don’t know why people don’t like Cawl... from this video I absolutely love him lol... I’m new to warhammer 40k but I’m a fiend for the lore. Cawl is dope
Cawl has been getting a lot of grief about "well if he had these legions, why didn't he unleash them earlier when the galaxy was threatened", but that isn't how science works. Cawl would have had to spend the majority of that time picking apart the gene seeds and experimenting with different changes to see what effect they would have. Supposing he only had the 25,000 on his ships, he wouldn't have been ready. Even with a very liberal estimate, the prepared marines he unveils on the ship would have had to be quite young in comparison.
I agree, good science takes time !
they would also have execute Cawl and his primaris marines if guilliman wasn't present.
I now understand why the custodes are so much on their toes right now. The custodes are loyal to the emperor and his imperium. The space marines are instead loyal to the chapter and their brothers, and now all of the sudden there are full super enhanced legions going around the galaxy, unchecked...
When "Nerd" is a cause for Heresy and execution. Ha, nerd.
Cawl actually has no ambition to be the fabricator General. In "The Great work"He is surprised to learn the Cawl Inferior keeps bringing it up to Guilliman & states he has no desire for politics.
It feels like a retcon to me but maybe they'll take it somewhere.
Idk. I think while Cawl may not have a taste for politics, he absolutely has a desire for power. If he were to be offered the position of Fabricator General I have no doubt in my mind that he would accept without hesitation.
@@Penglish56 Na, he explained fairly well why he wouldn't want it. Cawl is fully aware that 90% of the Mechanicus hates him, and the Higher in the rank you go, the stronger that distaste get. He's fully aware that the Mechanicus would escalate into a full-scale civil war extremely quickly if it would even be rumoured that he could get the position.
Additionally, he enjoys going graverobbing Tombworlds and developing new technologies, both of which he would have barely any time for if he would become Fabricator-General.
Being Fabricator general would be pointless for him.
Right now he has one boss, works his own hours, pursues projects he is passionate about with unlimited resources or regulation.
I can’t think of a better position for a mad scientist to be in than that.
I’m so glad I found his channel, i can listen to the lore while assembling my miniatures
If Cawl did create Primaris for all 20 chapters...does that include the II and XI? Even if not, what do the Primaris of the traitor legions do? Fall in under Guillaman? The Shattered Legion template may have a precedent, allowing the strengths of several legions to form custom-tailored battle legions.
All 20 "your lost brothers" is clearly in the conversation meant for the fallen chaos tainted but it can easily mean the forgotten as well
Thank you Rho. Really enjoyed hearing Belisarius Cawl getting some attention.
Cawl is a reflection of The Emperor’s arrogance.
No, he's Magnus with common sense.
You should really do an episode on chapters with questionable geneseed origins. Smurfs were well noted for being the orphanage of wayward loyalists from traitor legions, and personally ive always suspected that the Silver Skulls were of Iron Warrior stock.
40k Theories has a plethora of videos already out there discussing the origins of many of those successor chapters.
‘The Smurf’s were well noted...’
Only they weren’t.
What a remedial blunder!
Gman spared a word bearer who later founded the ecclesiarchy. He even shielded his existence from the more fanatical part of the imperium even when he realized the stagnation the church had brought upon the imperium. He also employed a warsmith to work on his personal beacon in the imperium secundus. His disapproval of the use of the traitor gene must be partially politically motivated. Maybe some of the new primaris chapters are already based on traitor geneseed and it was intentional. Maybe Gulliman just hide that fact so he can carry on with his experiment?
Guilliman after presentation: "Oh my Emperor..."
Cawl at 11:54: "but wait! there's more!"
You can make an anime highschool comedy about the chad popular kid (Guilliman) having an unlikely friendship with the genius nerd kid everyone hates (Cawl).
Seriously, I love how Guy Haley writes Cawl and Guilliman. I hated both characters before but now, they are my favorites.
Have you watched jump street 21?
(Cawl comes blasting out of his hole) everyone on mars: CAWL your still alive!? Cawl: can’t talk Guiliman is back gotta show him the new TOYS!
Recent lore has told us that Big E was not directly responsible for the creation of the marines, he brought in the best minds together to do it. Sedane and Astartes herself for example. Cawl did the same, only over a longer time.
the irony of the codex astartes was to make sure a primarch doesnt hold such power only for the very primarch to hold the power of legions
Of all the Primarchs, is Roboute the greatest delegator? He seems to like putting the best people in the best places.
I would say yes, he has been called the scholar and seems to know his trade
Ive always loved the idea of the legions, shoulder to shoulder, artillery cannons firing overhead, forward line breachers with their shields up letting their storm bolters rip, every legionaire behind them in step ready to flood the positions once the breach line has passed them. The sound of that level of firepower to imagine it is impossible but dammit i want it
Like it or not, Cawl really is carrying the Imperium on his back.
I can just imagine this as a direct parallel to Obi-Wan discovering the clones
Belisarius is like Magnus, he never did anything wrong. xD
This is why i love people like you you help us the Fans learn about the lore and where to find it with out you i would be lost in the time line.
"So Cawl, you figured out the template that not even my brother Corax, a primarch, couldn't even begin to decipher"
"Yep"
"Then you improved upon the Emperor's mastery of science and made half primarchs ?"
"Sure did"
"You also secured the massive amount of resources, technology and people to make this possible ? Then all the gear to train and indoctrinate them ?"
"As you do"
"Then you secured the cryogenics and stealth tech to hide them away, like some space squirrel storing nuts ?"
"I did it all for SCIENCE |"
"You did all this while hiding all trails from the Administratum, Cult Mechanicus or even the Inquisition ?"
"I managed"
"I think you should run the Imperium, I don't have the faintest clue how you made any of that possible"
"I secured a plentiful supply of phlebotinum, my lord, sufficient for these works. If its any consolation, I suspect not even Tzeentch or Creed can explained how this all happened either"
This is both BS and quite possible. On one hand the Imperium is huge and most organizatin within dont like to share information so Cawl being shady is not quite suspicious. On the other hand , in the Imperium everyone are watching everyone how can this guy hide such a big secrect
@@minhducnguyen674 There is only so much that saying "the primarch told me to do it" will allow you to get away with. The Inquisition would never allow a repository of the most stable gene seed of the primarchs to be anywhere outside of their control. Mars would never allow Cawl to innovate, they would certainly view improving upon the work of the Omnissiah as blasphemous. The high lords wouldn't commit the resources for it. So Cawl being able to just do it is incredibly improbable, I feel an explanation of the logistics is in order.
Corax did just fine, blame the Hydra.
Not to mention he single handled contribution to the development of the whole new generation of weapons, armours and vehicles Any nobody heard of him in the last ten thousands years.
@@KaiserAfini I'm not questioning whether the rest of the Imperium would allow Cawl to do that, it's simply impossible, rather how did he hide something that big in the first place
I think in the first dark imperium book, Gully makes a mention of the benefits and downsides of his legion being broken into chapters, fighting fulgrims unbroken traitor legion.
Correction: Belisarius HIMSELF doesn't want to be Fabricator General. He says so in his own novel, to Tetrarch Felix, that he finds politics messy. However, the Cawl Minor is the one that keeps on pestering Guilliman about it, and the Cawl Minor likely has his own mind on Cawl's ambitions.
Big E still best at creating super human warriors, proof: Custodes exist.
I would argue not better warriors but better fighters
Big E didn’t make them entirely himself.
@@theark4568 Fair enough, though to be fair Cawl used BIG E's plans, so he technically had it a bit easier, since BIG E did it from scratch.
@@matso3856 I will accept this argument as true, better fighters seems to sound reasonable.
Primaries are just stronger, bigger marines. They makes great imperial fist but terrible raven guard because of their big frame. They are still weaker than thunder warriors and still fall behind the raptors in production rate. I would argue if he can make lasgun to perform like Taus railguns, now that's groundbreaking innovation
As with good story telling, you need to beef up your heroes before revealing an enemy worthy of them. I feel that these thousands of primaris marines are a prelude to things getting EPIC soon. And we are already seeing that with the Necrons rising. Totally excited. A lot of good books, savage battles, and demon slaying to come.
The idea of the primaris being better then the space marines, but taking ten thousand years to accomplish and using big E’s notes makes sense
I mean the Emperor and Malcador themselves allowed the legions of the two lost Primarchs to be used so it's not a stretch to think traitor gene seed is used in the Primaris. Heck there is evidence that some of the chapters that were already around might be from traitor gene seed already.
Always a treat to have another video from the Wolf Lord. Beautiful work as always my friend!
Heed the warning of Alpha Primus, something is brewing in regards of Cawl's agenda.
Something is brewing in the sense of both pride and the Mars born killing machines, something that will test the power structure of the Mechanicus and that of the Imperium.
Cawl is someone to keep an eye on at all time.
That's one "girthy" ego that any scientist would have good reason to be proud of.
I just leaned what trepidation meant through this video. Thanks brother.
Belisarius Cawl programmed Roubute to obey him. Hands down
Cawl: I have done nothing but make Primaris for the last ten thousand years.
fans: HOW!!!! HOW HAVE YOU BEEN MAKING THEM!!!!!
Made some with the traitor legion gene seed? Sounds like a path for GW to have Primaris chaos marines to me. Maybe they don’t go bad, but if Chaos captures some for experimentation, or one of the “new seeds” is stolen, if it had traitor genes in it logically it might be compatible.
In Belisarius book, he says that he does not wish to be the head of Mars. Indeed he find it fascinating that the Crawl Inferior wish this. So we can guess, that it is indeed the Crawl inferior that has a wish for this power. ((SPOILER WARNING)) We also learn that Belisarius is multiple people melted into one being... so the Crawl Inferior may indeed be Crawl. But just one of the sub personalities that he has taken in... that would explain how it both is and is not crawl, and why it is inferior as it is a singular part of him... and why that part of him wish to be the leader of Mars, while he as a whole does not.
Clicked to see if there is a new video. Well, well...Wolf Lord Rho just posted 52 seconds ago. Don't mind if I do!
Anyone else feel that the "Cursed Founding" was a rival project to Cawl's Primaris project?
That was Bile mudding the water i think.
Hey, Cawl has denied wanting to be the Fabricator General.
one of his personalities! what about the others!
In the Dark Imperium, he keeps asking Papa Smurf for the position, and is denied.
@@sachinaraszkiewicz785 That's the Cawl inferior actually. So it's his totally not AI puppet.
@@Directo13 ehhh maybe, I'm convinced it's just the Cawl inferior being sentient.
@@g00se0885 Guilliman is treating all the messages from Cawl Inferior as comming from Cawl, even if they were pre-programmed. After all, it was Cawl himself who programmed it, no?
Cawl: "I have *exceeded* your standards, rejoice!"
Guilliman, underbreath: "Fuckin engineers, adding features, I swear...."
We never over engineer anything!
We just build it right first time...
Magos: The primaris has been fully integrated into their respective chapters my lord.
Belisarius Cawl: Execute order 66!
This video is a huge reason why I got into warhammer.
I think Belesarius Cawl will be the Imperiums Balthasar Gelt. Their Ally, Their Friend, Their Betrayer, in the words of Makarov. He’s totally gonna go openly chaos with all these new projects he’s making. Also, the Alpha Legion is the Emperors Wild card.
So if Cawl is Faust, then I cannot wait to see him meet Mephisto.
Except they are not similar at all?
I love Malice!
“We shall deny Nurgle their flesh to fester and rot.
We shall deny Khorne their blood and skulls.
We shall deny Tzeentch their destinies and fates.
We shall deny Slaanesh their pleasure and pain.
Death to the Dark Gods!
For the Renegade God!
Let the galaxy burn!”
The greatest trick Malice/Malal ever pulled was convincing the world he wasn't cannon !
Felt like a moment in Gundam where they showcase the mass productions units for the first time. Except in this case, the mass production units have superior stats.
Crawls entrance just sounds like a Hollywood show film, ala the Producers , could very well imagine as his lift lowers down there is a spot light, high kicks and ostrich feathers being flashed about “spring time for the emperor and the imperium Toooooo!”
I wish to see legions reinstated, so that we may finally find out how many Black Templars there are.
I think you mean, we can finally see how many Black Templars there can be.
No, I mean there are.
I wonder if they're aiming for a Cawl is to Gulliman what Malcador was to the Emperor kinda vibe?
Except cawl is a bit more of a dick I suppose
I thought the elf lady was supposed to be the next malcador.
Another one out the park...
Hmm... I wonder if you get credit for repeat views... I seen everything in your library at least twice these days... LMaO... The Badab series is amazing man... I can't imagine how long it took you to prepare it! Based on what I am learning about producing RUclips videos, I got a whole new level of respect for you guys, especially you, Baldermort, and Leutin.... You guys are so consistent.
I could be wrong but how does this work? The chapters are normally in charge of there own recruitment and training. How do the primaris learn there traditions if they are not taught to them by the chapters? There's close secrets each one holds in there training. How can they prepare for that without the interaction. And what about the recruitment it self... space marines are recruited from certain planets that no other organization can recruit from... did he go there and get them himself or where did they come from?
Calling the son of your god "my friend" is like a christian saying "Shoutout to my nigga Jesus"
Ok real talk.... this actually is pretty dam cool.
When I first heard about it from Arch Warhamer he made it sound ... well worse. The seen is explained quite well. And honestly its kinda cool. It makes crawl a much more... ambiguous character
It's the internet, double check everything, Rho gives a massively less opiniated version of events than most. He's always a good solid base to build this info on.
Avenging Son is a new book - this is part of the fleshing out of the detail that was previously missing and made it all seem a bit daft.
Arch warhammer suffers from the "snobbish posh english accent" where he sounds like he's being sarcastic about topics whether intentional or not. Plus, he seems like the type of WH fan who treats change to establised lore like pandering to the newer generation of WH fans
@@theoneandonlydetraebean8286 lets not beat around the bush, Arch is a complete twat. I was instantly put off by the voice alone (and I am English myself, with an accent some describe as posh - his just seems deliberately exaggerated or affected), but he is also an alt-right bellend who spends his time whinging about 'social justice warriors' and spits his dummy out every time someone suggests that it might be nice to encourage more women to play the game. His whole perspective is warped by his shitty, regressive political views.
Arch Warhammer also likes denying the Holocaust and being a massive racist.
Steer clear of that asshat.
I'm a little fuzzy on all of the details, but we know Cawl has the mind of his former supervisor and all her knowledge, and we know he has the memories and expertise of the very man who made the black carapace. He's got all of everyone's notes, including the Emperor's and Lady Astarte's. In ten thousand years he elevates and refines the entire armory of the Space Marines and doubles it in breadth, creates and stabilizes several new organs, and breeds an army in total secret all throughout, and then brings Rowboat out of stasis and aids in his healing. Also, he's a meme lord.
I thought that in 'the great work' when triarch Felix accuses Cawl of wanting to be fabricator general, Cawl responds with, why would I want to do that and be tethered to mars? When I can be out the imperium? and when Felix asks about Cawl minors asking for it he looks genuinely puzzled/ worried before deciding that he would have to visit guilliman in person later to fix it as it should'ent be asking for it. other than that keep up the good work loving the videos Lord Rho)
I think the quote about the breaking down of the legions was from a short story with the red marked sergeant guy?
I’m still slightly curious where Cawl got all these marines? Were they all from Terra and Mars? Clearly they had seemingly been trained in their chapter’s battle doctrine during their indoctrination but the fact that members of the space wolves Primaris have to be taught the customs of Fenris makes me wonder if Cawl was just snatching up humans or hell even just straight up cloning to exceed Guilliman’s quota. To be fair 10,000 years is a long time so Cawl probably was not lacking for bodies but then you have to think about the over 1000 chapters of space marines there are in the galaxy and how each of them would be brought back to a thousand marines strong much less the new chapters that were created in the Ultima founding from all the marines left over. I know 40k is all about stupidly huge scales of time and numbers but it’s one of those things I like to think about even if it places no really part in playing the game or painting the models.
The hanger inside cawls ship is miles wide? How Fucken big is his ship??
Didn't want this video to end.
Ok so on the idea of Guilliman renauncing the 1000 marines per chapter thing and going back to legion strength thing. Did anyone notice the squad number on the reviewed heavy intercessors in last saturday's review. It was XI or 11 and as far as I remember each company had up to ten squads each? Or am I wrong? If not thats a big tell that old Roberto might be going back to bigger chapters at least.
The warhammer wiki confirms the numbers of squads as 6 - 10 man battlleline, 2 - 10 man close support and 2 - heavy support squads for each battle company (which the second is) so I might be on to something. Or it might be nothing. Comment what you guys think
I can’t help but wonder who’s evolution of the astartes was better. Belasarius’ or Corax’s version not tainted by the Alpha Legion.
There are members of the AdMech who refer to the Emperor as the Omnissiah (and vice versa). While we know a shard of the Void Dragon was buried on Mars eons ago, and is likely where they reverse engineered a lot of their tech and began to worship, they revere and fear the Emperor, and he can somehow communicate with them through the machine. Crazy relationship going on there. Add in Cawl's multiple consciousness personalities...
Trayzn & Cawl have to be working together behind the scenes... I'm telling you! Hahaha
I wish that in older books there were allusions to Cawl building the Primaris Legions like AdMech forces being mysteriously found on SM recruitment worlds taking some of potential aspirants with them.
I feel zeal is a more adapt description of his arrogance.
No he may think that his brilliance can overshadow anything. But he does not wish to be the head of the mechanicum. That's actually a copy of his that wants to place him as the head. There is a bit of lore where he learns of his copies request to Guilliman that he be made the head of the mechanicum. At which point he decides that it is a flaw and makes plans to look into it. There's also another bit of lore where he is talking to the emperor. The emperor tells him that though he may think that he is betraying the emperor and Imperium he has and is not but instead is still working for the emperor under his Direction. After of which Belisarius immediately forgets the conversation ever happened.
I desperately want Jaghatai Khan to return so that he could help Gulliman. Jaghatai always been catious and distant to other primarchs. Him, bounding with Gulliman would be a nice touch to his character arc. We would get to see Jaghatais human side that he only showed to Sanguinius just slightly. Just imagine if Lion woke up too. Gulliman as the administrator, Lion as the enforcer, Jaghatai as the general. man that would be cool af.
Nah I don’t seem him (khan) being cool with any of this to be honest.
Oh i could just feel the chaos Gods chuckling with their new toy Cawl
One thing I’ve never seen an answer for (because primarchs disappear) is how do each chapter respond to their gene-father. Do chapters all fall in line under command of their gene-father? If so, then codex astartes is redundant.