As others say, you two come across as decent and rub a few brain cells together. Maybe I tend to enjoy the critique more than the positive, and that may not be popular, even if it gets to the truth. Titus seems to be on the far end of the scale, but there are plenty of lunatics in this field. The freaks with metre circumference synthol arms, the women on roids and silicone and possibly the outer edge populated by the young dead. Older and maybe a little wiser, I still think there is something of value, precious in this game as a lifestyle, maybe a subculture that ticks a few boxes that the mainstream does not satisfy, but it’s a fine line.between art and grotesque mess, a life enhancing positive and flying too near the sun. But keep em coming.
Praise from Caesars is high praise indeed. I am honoured to be mentioned by you gentlemen. Always late to the party, but relish the fare you provide. Ronnie is an absolute powerhouse but to fall in a bath tub shows the extremely weakened state he was placed in. The judging criteria seems to reward physical weakness and I suppose mental fortitude to sustain such an ordeal. Despite looking powerful they are weak. I also recall a story in which someone punched Dorian in the face at a competition and ran away scot free. I never knew why it happened, so if you can shed light on the incident that would be enlightening. Anyway my point is that if that was John Grimek about to win a Mr Mr America or any of his contemporaries, I would expect the attacker to get caught quickly and receive serious retribution. Maybe Hoffman was right all along with the lifting round. Striking a balance between beauty and utility. Atlas Power Shrugged looks like Brad Harris and sounds like the writer Bradley Steiner. A cool combination.
Great episode and conversation again guys. re: genetics -strikes me time and time again again how great bodybuilders (and athletes in general) are seemingly identified early as having talent for their sport. I've started listening to your Tony Pearson (seems like a genuinely great guy btw) interview and he mentions it too. Is it everything? no. Ronnie seemingly had a "talent" for numbers but circumstances and a greater talent in bodybuilding changed the course of his life. But to deny that it exists or doesn't play a part is always odd to me. It's often no less of an accomplishment.
Got a thought for you to ponder. Has bodybuilding as a sport been done, all over, nothing more to add? I just watched a vid on the death on Ilia Golem at 36, and it just made me think has it all been done, no point going any further, it is so stupid, nobody in their right mind should get excited by the dead bodybuilder evolution. Essentially, bodybuilding on stage has already gone too far, it has crossed the line to grotesque freakshow and should be regarded as such. Anything of value in it has already been done, all that is available is endless repetition of the next shredded dude pretending to be a robot on stage or some absolutely massive fridge on the edge of a cardiac event. What is left that has not been done? What would you want to see that has not been done over and over already yet does not involve the flirting with funeral costs of thirty somethings? For me the real value of this game is as a personal adventure rather than a competitive sport. Seeing your own journey, performance, transformation is the only new thing here, the rest is flogging a dead horse, jaded. Dont know if that resonates with anyone but it is more or less my thought nowadays.
I hear what you're saying, but like everything there's always the money that turns the flywheel. There will always be a new guy that comes along that's just that little bit freakier that will hold our attention for a few seconds before moving on with our day, but as older farts, the same could be said for most spectacles be they music/film/whatever sport comes along. Conversely, there's always a bunch of newbie kids on the horizon who it's all new too who continue to supply the $$$ to keep the perpetual cycle moving
Fascinating quandary, Steve! 👍🤔 Like Shawn, I hear what you are saying and agree with you to a point. But for me, I still enjoy the battles between the top liners and like to see their progress over the years. The new kid on the block thing is also something I love to see. Your comment about personal transformations and journeys in Bodybuilding/Body Recomposition is definitely pertinent and something I also love about the Iron-Game. Thanks again for chiming in on our show, buddy! 🙏😊
@@carvedouttastone We will see, but I tend to think that even if the guys get bigger, more shredded, it is a “ sport” in decline, most will reject it as being harmful, crazy. So yes, there could be plenty of mileage in its senile decadence, but it will appeal to a few. But we will see, could just be my subjective thought. All sorts of weird spectacles can pull an audience, but bodybuilding seems to be a victim of its own success, at some point it crosses into too big to serve as inspiration to all but a few. I was thinking, for most Lee Labrador looks good, a role model, but Hunter, could you really pull that off in daily life? Let the future answer it.
Stevepace, spot on and who would really like to look like a bloated sausage read to explode. I would much prefer looking like Berry Demey at the 1988 Olympia.
Really love these collabs with you and Craig, big thanks!👊
Cheers, Richard, glad you enjoy the show! 🙏
Hope all is well with you 😊
Great chat boys!
Thanks for watching, Ditto! 🙏😊
Thanks always for letting us know you're tuning in mate. We always appreciate the feedback
As others say, you two come across as decent and rub a few brain cells together. Maybe I tend to enjoy the critique more than the positive, and that may not be popular, even if it gets to the truth. Titus seems to be on the far end of the scale, but there are plenty of lunatics in this field. The freaks with metre circumference synthol arms, the women on roids and silicone and possibly the outer edge populated by the young dead. Older and maybe a little wiser, I still think there is something of value, precious in this game as a lifestyle, maybe a subculture that ticks a few boxes that the mainstream does not satisfy, but it’s a fine line.between art and grotesque mess, a life enhancing positive and flying too near the sun. But keep em coming.
Cheers for the comment, Steve! 👍😊
Praise from Caesars is high praise indeed. I am honoured to be mentioned by you gentlemen. Always late to the party, but relish the fare you provide.
Ronnie is an absolute powerhouse but to fall in a bath tub shows the extremely weakened state he was placed in. The judging criteria seems to reward physical weakness and I suppose mental fortitude to sustain such an ordeal. Despite looking powerful they are weak. I also recall a story in which someone punched Dorian in the face at a competition and ran away scot free. I never knew why it happened, so if you can shed light on the incident that would be enlightening.
Anyway my point is that if that was John Grimek about to win a Mr Mr America or any of his contemporaries, I would expect the attacker to get caught quickly and receive serious retribution. Maybe Hoffman was right all along with the lifting round. Striking a balance between beauty and utility.
Atlas Power Shrugged looks like Brad Harris and sounds like the writer Bradley Steiner. A cool combination.
Great episode and conversation again guys. re: genetics -strikes me time and time again again how great bodybuilders (and athletes in general) are seemingly identified early as having talent for their sport. I've started listening to your Tony Pearson (seems like a genuinely great guy btw) interview and he mentions it too. Is it everything? no. Ronnie seemingly had a "talent" for numbers but circumstances and a greater talent in bodybuilding changed the course of his life. But to deny that it exists or doesn't play a part is always odd to me. It's often no less of an accomplishment.
Thanks for watching! 🙏😊
I like how Shawn says it’s both “nature(genetics) AND nurture”!
Got a thought for you to ponder. Has bodybuilding as a sport been done, all over, nothing more to add? I just watched a vid on the death on Ilia Golem at 36, and it just made me think has it all been done, no point going any further, it is so stupid, nobody in their right mind should get excited by the dead bodybuilder evolution. Essentially, bodybuilding on stage has already gone too far, it has crossed the line to grotesque freakshow and should be regarded as such. Anything of value in it has already been done, all that is available is endless repetition of the next shredded dude pretending to be a robot on stage or some absolutely massive fridge on the edge of a cardiac event. What is left that has not been done? What would you want to see that has not been done over and over already yet does not involve the flirting with funeral costs of thirty somethings? For me the real value of this game is as a personal adventure rather than a competitive sport. Seeing your own journey, performance, transformation is the only new thing here, the rest is flogging a dead horse, jaded. Dont know if that resonates with anyone but it is more or less my thought nowadays.
I hear what you're saying, but like everything there's always the money that turns the flywheel.
There will always be a new guy that comes along that's just that little bit freakier that will hold our attention for a few seconds before moving on with our day, but as older farts, the same could be said for most spectacles be they music/film/whatever sport comes along.
Conversely, there's always a bunch of newbie kids on the horizon who it's all new too who continue to supply the $$$ to keep the perpetual cycle moving
Fascinating quandary, Steve! 👍🤔
Like Shawn, I hear what you are saying and agree with you to a point.
But for me, I still enjoy the battles between the top liners and like to see their progress over the years.
The new kid on the block thing is also something I love to see.
Your comment about personal transformations and journeys in Bodybuilding/Body Recomposition is definitely pertinent and something I also love about the Iron-Game.
Thanks again for chiming in on our show, buddy! 🙏😊
@@carvedouttastone We will see, but I tend to think that even if the guys get bigger, more shredded, it is a “ sport” in decline, most will reject it as being harmful, crazy. So yes, there could be plenty of mileage in its senile decadence, but it will appeal to a few. But we will see, could just be my subjective thought.
All sorts of weird spectacles can pull an audience, but bodybuilding seems to be a victim of its own success, at some point it crosses into too big to serve as inspiration to all but a few.
I was thinking, for most Lee Labrador looks good, a role model, but Hunter, could you really pull that off in daily life?
Let the future answer it.
Labrada, obviously. This ipad is not letting me edit….
Stevepace, spot on and who would really like to look like a bloated sausage read to explode.
I would much prefer looking like Berry Demey at the 1988 Olympia.
Great show! I think it's time for Craig to get himself a proper microphone, though.
I think Craig bought one a few weeks back but he's been trying to find the USB port to plug it into 😂