The Designer of the RX-7 taught me things I did wrong with the 4 Rotor at Sevenstock
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This man just made Rob tear this thing down once again 😂
OCD… Amongst a few things
He was gonna probably design his own chassis so I’d imagine that’s what the “ new “ body would be on . See you in 5 years
Rob in 5 years
Here is the all new
RX-7⁸⁷
4 ROTOR TURBO AWD
carbon fiber monocoque
Active aero
with an MGU-H for instant boost and torque
2 years later video comes out "THE BODY IS FINALLY DONE"
Rob said in one of Sammit's Sema videos he was going to carbon body after the show so I guess this is just a few pointers he can think on when does the carbon work for the car.
The designer was a genius, it's such a timeless design and all the lines flow so well.
Genuinely the FD RX7 is without a doubt the most beautiful and well proportioned design to come out of this era of car design.
You know he did a good job, when American V8 guys love the design 😂😂😂. I see so many V8 swapped FDs and it always comes down to, "it's a beautiful car, especially the taillights" lol.
Honestly, it's incredible how good the car still looks, certified classic
Apart from the engine and other things, the number one reason this car is my favorite is how timeless the design is. It doesn't look even close to its age.
In my opinion the FD is the most beautiful Japanese car of all time (I think only the Toyota 2000 GT and original Mazda Cosmo could really argue with that). The fact that it is also unique in its powertrain and, engine besides, is one of the best drivers cars perhaps ever built and I can't help but believe that they are profoundly under valued. If they had any one of the three they would be special, but combining it all together, and sprinkling in the fact that it has meaningful racing pedigree and I cannot understand how they aren't six figure cars already.
The way that designer explains things, you can tell he's worked with clay for YEARS... What an honor.
Absolutely fascinating isn’t it. Amazing insight
With old greybeard guys like this, you find exactly what you see here. Rob was respectful, realized the guy's value, and listened to what he had to say. As much as this made Rob's day, it made the designers day even more because people probably don't listen to him intently like he deserves very often. The guy's a master at his craft, and it clearly shows.
I hope rob took notes.
Decades.
@@jttech44 i am sure he did we know how much rob loves the car any tips will go far
I think this is the first time I've ever seen the OG designer of a car AT A MEET. Not only that, ACTIVELY critiquing and giving advice on custom builds. What a world we live in.
Rob just had his "old sage encounter" moment in the arc of this build. Whatever the car is now, he now has the wisdom imparted to complete the task at hand, to make this car truly perfect.
i wouldnt call sevenstock a "meet". more of a festival.
We live in a world here they will force you to eat bugs and say you are evil because you eat meat buddy ... also the world where people were scammed into taking a fake experimental vaccine that ended up being a complete worthless failure also we live in the world that is mostly controlled by king charles now and klaus schwab from the world economic forum ... i recommend reading Klaus Schwab : COVID-19 and the great reset book if you think it's a "conspiracy" man himself wrote it !
Go to any Bay Area Miata event of reasonable size and you'll probably find Tom Matano there signing dashboards lol
That’s a different type of nasty
I cannot imagine the sheer emotion of having the designer of the platform you begin on, giving you the little, tiny bits of insight into how you can just get that nth percent closer to perfection with your project.
Seriously, you asked him "Hey I've done my best to respect, emulate, and build on your design. I feel like I CAN do better, could you help me understand how?" and he said "For sure my man, right off the bat I see two or three things; little, little things, that you can plus up and be gucci as fuck".
Legendary Rob. Absolutely legendary.
if that old man had said "and be gucci as fuck" id lost my mind laughing
@@WarriorPaxo "ngl g, you a lil off da perc on this radius right here, but if hit da plug up for +5mm on the rear quarters that shit would slap no cap frfr. Hit my line slime, on foenem I'll hit my plugwalk on over to the crib & we finna get this shit all the way bussin for ya"
I know Rob chased the Hoonicorn... but this is... much bigger of a peak.
@@von... Word homie! I feelz ya dogg.
truely humbling and love to hear his honest and passionate input on the little things that don’t look quite right the bonnet and the front bumper and guards would be the biggest part of this that make sense looking at it. excited to see his second iteration it will be beautiful.
Totally Amazing having input from "The Designer" himself. It is so obvious that he ONLY wants the BEST for Rob! AWESOME! I hope to see it come to pass!
Especially when the feedback is really positive, and his biggest critiques are small things to help perfect proportioning, not "I don't like this at all!"
I can sense Rob's bliss through the video.
Honestly kinda hope Rob brings him in to help perfect the final body in CAD before they get it made in full carbon fibre
@@JamesBalazs It would be AWESOME if that could work out. 😀
@@markm0000 Yep, for sure!
That man's mind is a gold mine. Sounds like we need a new project car. Complete custom body to his homage. That man has waited 30 years plus to have a conversation like this . The fact he opened up to you is a crystal clear indication , he highly respects your skills and artwork.
What's striking to me is how eyes wide open Rob is to the input from the designer, goes to show how much respect he has for trying to keep the strength and integrity of the original FD design. Really love to see that but man...yeah!
Curious how the front being longer gives such a different vibe to the car. More E-Type than stubby (which if I recall, the designer owned and cherished)
Ya seeing the car at SEMA in person I was really conflicted on the design. It's sorta stuck between a widebody and stock body car. It still looks great but doesn't have the cohesion like the factory car and it's so hard to put your finger on why. Hopefully these tips help tie it all together better in the next versions
@@joel89039 yep. I think they made the front too flat. The FD is pure curves.
@@joel89039 When they were talking about the front and how wide it was + the advice on how to flow the fender arch better, the front is gonna get chiseled up to follow the OG RX-7 lines and it's gonna look real good. It's crazy how designers can just talk about the vision in their brain in a way that I could never comprehend.
the knowledge hes getting from him is pure cocaine to him in that moment
@@blitz3607 it was for me too, man
My favorite part of all his videos is him figuring out how to join his aftermarket ecu and factory dash and them work together. Diving into all the intricacies of how the tach and gauges work and keeping them oem+++
TommyFYeah is in shambles, Rob is prioneering OEM+++ spec while they just got OEM+ down
Agree, the dash is usually the biggest biarch in major engine swaps....
I think he should keep the OEM dash. As an Electrical Engineer I could get it working in about an hour, it's actually quite simple. Reverse engineering modern clusters that run canbus is where it really starts to get tricky!
@@peejay1981 that’s my only fear in doing an engine swap on my BMW 550i. The stock 4.8 V8 has 191k miles and it’s a 6sp manual with the factory M sport package. I want to either do another (cheaper to maintain) V8 or possibly 2JZ, but I want to keep as much oem functionality as possible. Probably not gonna happen, lol.
@@Gooochmo Theoretically, you could do an engine swap from the same era or newer BMW's.
Haha this is great. Tom Matano is the best. I studied under him in transportation design, and he was not only a great instructor, but a great inspiration and awesome guy in general. His influence was what pushed me to the level to get a job as a car designer. Even though I have been out of school for years, I still talk to him now and then. Always Inspired!
As soon as I saw him I said out loud, "Oh wow it's Tom Matano!". I didn't realize he designed the FD. I've always seen him talking about the NA. It's so cool that he comes out to hang out with the fans.
cant believe I need to get this low to get a name, he sounds like a very interesting person and someone with a lot of experience in design
@@kryse4806 Yeah, he was the Director of Design at Mazda for many years in the late 80's and Early 90's. He most well known for the NA and NB Miata. He also worked at GM and BMW as designer. He went on to direct and rebuild the industrial design program at AAU in San Francisco. Also a really nice guy and was a great teacher for me and many others in school!
@@TurboHappyCar Haha, yup. He was the Design Director of Mazda at the time, and the NA/NB and FD were all some o the designs that were created while he was the director. There were many other designers wo worked on those cars (as a car designer, I can tell you its not just one person designing any car, its a large team below the director), but from my understanding, the NA and FD were pet projects for him during that time.
That is sooooo freaking cool that the OG designer was willing to pass on some of his knowledge and experience into you. See him willing to do that almost made me tear up a bit.
Hearing the man who designed the fd body talk about rob's work was easily some of the best content on this entire channel
it represents the culmination of all of robs work for the body meeting the philosophy that went into making the original fd body
This is something that car people like myself only see in the wildest of dreams and getting to experience it on youtube is phenomenal.
Agreed, this is a high-water-mark on Rob Dahm's channel!. So amazingly cool to hear the OG designer of the legendary FD RX-7, appreciating mods that Rob made. Features presumably reigned in during his design process for whatever reasons (efficiency, packaging economy etc).. So cool...
It's crazy how as soon as he finished explaining what could change and why, I can't look at this car anymore without seeing the same things he pointed out. I'm so excited to see what Rob dreams up in his software renders
To see him compliment what you did, but be so humble in his thoughts on what to change speaks volumes of how much of a true enthusiast he is.
So much wisdom is being passed down from the creator to the student to reimagine the future of the rx7. Love it!
I love his form of constructive criticism. What a humble guy who gave away some of his life’s secrets. Way go go rob and team
Revometer 🤣
That bodywork design discussion was class BTW. love it.
If you make the changes you talked about with him, you need to show him again somehow!
Seeing the designer giving you so many and honest thoughts on how you can improve it, was a treat I would never expect seeing. I truly hope you get the chance on implementing his feedback in the future. Don't get me wrong, the car looks astonishing, and you have done an amazing work so far, but I'd love to see what you will do with it Rob! Extremely enjoyable moment. Thanks!
As a car guy watching rob and the designer talk about his fd just put a smile on my face. I can only imagine how rob felt
Those fuel and temp guages use bimetal strips. They expand asymetrically as they heat up by the voltage passed through them, causing that metal strip to bow and move the needle.
Rob is the definition of epistemophile, watching him absorb, process and store information with such passion is a treat, it's no wonder he has accomplished everything that he has set his mind to.
Well he’s also lucky he has video reference to study about what the guys saying
Rob has the DRIVE and perseverance while remaining curious and respectful = winner attitude! I hope he doesn't lose grip from i.e. a wind gust at Pike's Peak.
I can’t imagine what it is like to talk to the guy who built the foundation of which your building of off. So cool!
I bet you could've talked to him all day about the RX7 design. You have to admire his honesty and creative ideas.
Lol i mentioned the RX7 designer a few videos ago... now i know why rob didnt say anything to me. He already had a video responce planned.
Literally look at the intensity which Rob is listening to the advice from a genius that was behind the FD, absolutely stunning.. To see how he's internalizing what he's being told and taking it all on board is fucking epic. Rob, this is an inspirational project and I will continue to watch relentlessly. Kudos my friend.
Man that's AMAZING! So glad finally someone complained about the wide front and small lights, even more importantly this genius shared insight about how to do it better! Love it! Getting better and better!
Him talking about how a piece of the quarter panel plays a big part of a roof and having so much passion for the builds is good to see
Dude to have a conversation like that with the guy behind one of the most spectacular looking cars ever made.. What a thing. Thanks for sharing.
Listening to masters describe the nuance of their work to someone who can follow what they're saying, with an example in front of them, is always fascinating and this is no exception. These are the moments that make the world go 'round.
Dude that was such a cool conversation to watch. He has such an eye for detail. The 7 was already incredible with the new body but this OGs input was 👌🏾 🔥 this is so sick.
That was amazing to watch! What an amazing experience to have one of the original designers of the FD talk to you at this extent about it.
What an absolute treat to talk to a master. Must've been such a memorable experience.
These builds just keep on getting better and better, just like what he said at the end! So stoked for what's to come for the future
The FD designer part was great and he was super cool about his critique and possible suggestions.
The hardest part of a cohesive design is probably the tiny changes that really pull it together.
With a car that had to be changed so much to work, getting it accurate to the original vision seems like pure guesswork.
Getting to talk to the design director *and* getting input on the little things is the coolest thing ever.
I am in awe that I got to watch it on video, what a time to be alive.
it's always humbling when an old man who knows his shit comes over and with one look, clocks exactly what you wanted to do, what you got wrong, how you can fix it or make it better and then watching them decide if you're worth the patience to explain it to you. more often than not, these men remain quiet, so you got lucky, here, Rob. what a privilege.
The amount of absolute priceless and wholesome knowledge just given touched my heart. What a kind man, you can really see the love he put into such a timeless design.
13:37 If anyone actually think Rob's milking it with the RX-7 I would really like to see them build something never done before on this level without millions & millions of dollars in funds. As someone who's done some fairly unique builds & engine setups I can tell you that when you're doing ANYTHING this sophisticated that hasn't been done before it's 10x harder because you have no references to fall back on. It's just your imagination and fabrication skills. Keep up the great work Rob.
I can't imagine your luck happening to stumble upon the coolest person in your specific car's community that you can learn so much from, awesome!
30:50 im glad you had this experience finally. Always remember this humble moment from one grand architect to another. Due make sure to pass it on to others in ur travels. The Dream!
Love seeing you enjoy the fruits of your hard labor, best project I’ve been able to keep track of. Honestly, you took failure and learned from it. Congrats, I’ll be watching your path with great excitement.
You're not milking it man, mechanical principles transfers over, suck squeeze bang blow. I love you're technical breakdowns
That was beautiful! I'm so happy you got such good input on your build and I can't wait to see more bodywork videos!
It's awesome that he is so humble and takes the time to talk with you about small design tweaks. It's an amazing car to be sure, but sometimes little stuff can make your project just right
I think we need a full uncut version of your time with him. Both for our enjoyment and so you have a place to reference when you are cutting the car up again.
The insight gained, and then shared through the medium that is RUclips is just phenomenal. Thanks for making videos and sharing such a cool conversation. Was absolutely amazing to watch the old gentleman talk about his craft. He just oozes knowledge and understanding.
Wow, what an emotional time to meet the creator /designer of the FD and getting tips from him in such an inspiring conversation. You deserve every bit of it. 👍🙏💫💖
The people that expect you to do that amount of custom work and do it quickly doesnt realize how much work it is and how well you have done it. Congrats on an amazing build Rob!
Legendary. Having the ability to meet and discus the design process with the original designer is something that is more special than most people will ever understand.
I am so pumped just hearing you talk with the designer, I can't imagine how you feel getting his input. Fantastic.
Amazing to see that one of the men that designed the FD was able to give you insight on perfecting your dream. This is absolutely amazing Rob. Can’t wait to see the revisions because I know you are a perfectionist and want your dream to come out exactly how you imagined it! 🖤🙌🏽
I love how Rob's RX7 is so different from the stock one but somehow keeps everything that makes it an RX7. Like at first glance you're like "RX7 is RX7" when it's so much more. It also makes the stock RX7 look like a miata next to it🤣
A great cook always respect the ingredients, the product. Kampai!
One of the most beautiful cars in the world. Its looks will never age. To hear the man critique the design of your car sounds like he is ready to jump back on the wagon with Mazda. The level of attention he pays to the smallest details is amazing.
To those that say Rob is milking this thing. I have fallen out of watching other youtubers because they put out too much content that's made for people with ADD. It's always a different car every week. It always has to be something different to keep viewers engaged. These other youtubers are like comic books, short and fun. But you guys are more relatable to an epic book series. You make me wonder, laugh, cry and appreciate the long journey that is this car.
Watching you guys work on this machine over the years makes me feel that I can work on my dream car too. The pace is more realistic and comparable to how long it would take me to do a simple engine swap with no past experience. Not being able to understand 90% of what you talk about makes me want to grab a wrench and get stuck in the same conundrum. Thank you all for the hard work and sharing of your wisdom. Keep doing you, it's working and many viewers appreciate it.
Holy cow, that "interview" with the designer was incredible. And from my personal experience, this guy shares a certain kind of "technical artisan" personality, that are just the most interesting people to talk to. You are not a design expert, but in your own small way you tackled the same kind of technical design challenge that was this guy's whole career, so he really seemed interested in what you were trying to do. Amazing!
Rob, I appreciate your videos and content on builds. Thank you. My cat passed away just couple nights ago, and it has been rough and heartbreaking losing him so unexpectedly so it is heart warming see your cats on cam and through the videos you make. Keep it going bru. Much love from Seattle.
Sorry bout the cat man. Mine are all getting really old (12) I know how it is just get another one u got this 🙌
simpler the better, lookin' clean man, one of my favorite builds off youtube
No one is talking about how simple and natural it felt when Rob showed Simplisafe camera on his phone just to check on his cats. No gimmick talk, just "Well that's how I use it" and for once it makes me want one :)
Talking to the designer highlights a massive point about personal vision, in that it demonstrates that you're not going to "impress" a designer by compromising with their design when you adapt it. So cool to get such direct feedback in an honest and encouraging spirit, there wasn't a hint of criticism.
As others have said, it's amazing to see you getting advice and design input from one of the original designers of the car.
Talk about PRICELESS, that was some extremely valuable input. Just some subtle reworking for huge improvements. I thought it was looking good now, can't wait to see what these changes bring.
Must be so fulfilling seeing your build being appreciated by the masses after this long journey, keep it up!
tom matano! my industrial design teacher and a huge inspiration to me in the automotive world to learn under his wing! absolutely as excited too see you talk to him as much as i looked up to him in school!!!
Openness and being humble gave you an amazing encounter. Very cool to hear and see the craftsmanship in his pointers.
God it’s amazing to see how much this stuff means to Rob and the team. This is possibly one of my favorite videos on your channel man, this just made me smile the whole damn tile seeing you enjoy this. Love it man.
0:57 Rob squinting in the sun while wear a hat. Cute.
The thing I love about Rob is the pursuit of continuous improvement and allowing input from others. Truly inspiring.
Super glad you got to talk to The man!! as you called him. Now you got to show us what he gave you by making the adjustments he suggested for you!! Cant wait to see it!!!! It is so awesome to see this car where it is today!!!
Rob, you gotta invest in a digital oscilloscope to meter the original dash inputs. It will tell you exactly what those gauges need to run perfectly.
Yes a simple Picoscope 2204A will do the job
Finally got to meet you and Isiah at SevenStock! Keep up the hard work guys!
Man, I cant even imagine to build something like this and then the original designer be able to give you tips and pointers to get you to where you wanted to be. All little things he thought of and can see with 30 years of experience. Totally awesome, amazing and humbling! Congrats Rob! Super super cool.
I hope you got his info..maybe you can send him some pictures of the car and have him draw a couple of models for you to choose from?!?!
I love that guy I have watched a few videos with him and he always loves to talk about car design. I have always felt that the 3rd generation RX7 is the last mass production car designed by artists.
Now Rob's gotta embark on a new renewal quest for the 4rotor. IMO, the chassis is the thing that lets the car down the most. The team has worked wonders with the drive train and engine package. It's time for the chassis to be up to spec.
When you put the amazing amount of time and effort into projects like you do good things always happen.
Gosh Rob you are a genius dude. Huge inspiration to my future builds. You’re the reason why I do what I do for a living. Hopefully one day I could sit and talk to you🤘🏼
what a treat to see a master at work.. his finger print on your fender, the red ink of a teacher's pen
Utterly priceless advice, can’t wait to see how it’s implemented……. After he finally fits a firewall!😅😂🤘🏻
I think it looks sick the way it is, you’ve done great rob! No need to change it
He's doing a full carbon body next, so probably wanted input for that as there were a few things rob himself wasn't happy about in the design, and he just got the answers he needed. ;) But ye it does look sick either way! :D
Probably one of the best videos ever. Nothing like having the source of truth critique and admire your work. Congrats Rob and Team!
At the risk of repeating myself, you've knocked it out of the ballpark, the four rotor AWD widebody rex was a moon shot, but you nailed it, and I'm delighted to see that it came to fruition for you.
The respect he shows to the man who started this platform. Wow.
we need a millionare to commission a Mazda Furai recreation and put Robs 4 rotor in it
naaah better create a new one than to steal the heart of a legend.
@@holzwurm_hd7029 i mean ofc put modern design touches but the Furai never got to live out its dreams and was a REAL concept car that performed in all the right ways, until it performed itself into a fire
@@GoPotato69 I meant the engine as the furai deserves its own heart but robs car is also supposed to keep his.
--For the speedometer you've got running as digital and analog, with my very limited experience, I've found using gun oil works rather well with lubricating the gears and moving parts, keeping things running smoothly - but be careful not to over-lubricate it (I did it to mine, and had to clean it and start over).
-Btw, If anybody else knows more about these, I'd love suggestions & advice on them as well~
Rob, you have to realize that he was talking about changing highlights to what you have done. What an honor. T9 the work you have done and how you can look at it in the future. Awesome job!
You've earned those tears of joy. Hope you had an absolute blast at both SEMA and Sevenstock! You're really rolling with the big leagues now
I am not at all telling you what to do but if I were you after talking with him about the way the body looks and how you could do it on a computer I would just invite him to my computer and have him help me design it sitting right there together. I would love to see what RUclips could create for the 4 rotor
I would love to take an internship under these guys for a few years, it’s incredible how innovative and intelligent Rob is
this man, is a "tule love simbol" of the whole car culture
so nice, so kind, so lovely and happy
Thank you Rob Dahm, for being what you(and not only) are
What a great video. Can't imagine the excitement of having "THE GURU" giving you tips on how to improve the design. I wish I could've go there. Hopefully next year!
Awesome Rob. Simply awesome. Go stare at the sky, and know you won life....
I loved every second of this video
Getting advise from the man himself, wow! That guy is a genius as he was describing stuff I already was having a mental picture of the things he pointed out.
Met the designer and got real feedback. That is amazing! Good for you man!
thats actually insane
I still can't believe that you made a AWD 4 rotor RX7, you and your rotanimal is a monster!
Dude's playng Forza IRL
The inspiration in these videos is second to none! As a car designer in spirit it HAD to be amazing to meet the designer of your dream car!!
Have to say.. Thanks Rob for sharing his insights. HUGE for the rotary/automotive community, to hear his viewpoint of how to balance the body, and make the car flow better. Your car is gorgeous. Honestly looks great.. but all the little things that may distract in the back of the mind.. he was able to succinctly point out and give advice how to improve the lines and flow. Awesome content.
Hey Rob dude ive watched all your videos and so many of them loose sound please have your editor check it love the channel
Same, thought I was going crazy!
So im guessing were awaiting a minor redesign on the bodywork on the car soon eh!
I think it looks perfect the way it is, he’s done such a good job and it’s come so far.
But, he never ceases to amaze me with this car so if he wants to change it, I imagine it’ll be even cooler than it was before.
He's doing a carbon body next, this was probably a massive help so he gets that even more dialled in.
what a beautiful experience rob! As someone whos owned 2 FC's and and 5 240's. worked at JIC suspension during JGTC in fontana years ago. I got to hang out with amemiya san in the stands and at 2 in the morning buy jack in the box for ueno and other D1 drifters while also having the new GTR GT car being worked on. Was a beautiful experience so i know what you went through in this vid. such an amazing build. don't stop building rotaries please. The rx7 community needs more people like you
Sooo rob... Been following your channel since I was a weee boi. You made me love rotaries even more. Eventually, you made your car and I somehow made it as a powertrain engineer at Mazda. Congrats to both of us for having so much passion for the rotary. Keep on brapping ❤️❤️❤️
Just a history lesson Rob from a former rotary magazine writer:
767B - 20B
787B - 26B
They attempted LeMans with the 767B but it wasn't powerful enough to compete with the Nissan R89C, Sauber C9 and the Jaguar XJR-9. Hence the swap from the 20B to the 26B. The rest is history, 787B wins in 1991. 👍