*****disclaimer I'm only a minute in I left the jws in fall of 2018 and while I appreciated exjw content for a time, I began to see that a lot of the content creators still had major jw traits and to a point I think being exjw has become its very own high control group. It breaks my heart because the very people who could enjoy freedom are now just back under the control of new people.
I think it’s difficult for people who get out of it to actually own personality, especially if they were raised in it. We were raised not to have one, to reflect “the Christian personality” and “Bible principles”. There was no point in being anything but a two dimensional reflection of that. Even when we think we’ve moved past it, it shows up to grab control of our lives away from us. It doesn’t justify horrible abuse or hurtful choices, certainly, but what you’re describing sounds like this to me.
Wow it’s a shame your channel doesn’t have as many subscribers as other ex cult channels. You are actually saying things that are very helpful for trauma healing which can be hard to find in ex cult RUclips. So many of us (myself included) got stuck in the righteous anger phase and many of the more well known “leaders”in our community did not heal their trauma and move out of that phase because usually when you do you stop doing ex JW material. The result though is we never got to see an example of someone who moved on and processed their trauma. I really appreciate you and what you’re doing. Thank you
I was reared from childhood in the JW community. You absolutely nailed it with this post. As with most HDRG's the stress is on devaluing our OWN intuition, our inner voice. Hence the attachment to an external source... Humans will disappoint and we will too. It's learning to research, stand on ourselves, draw valuable lessons from others, but build our own thinking skills and follow OUR Path. 🙏
I was raised in the JW cult as well. Because of my experience I'm not a "joiner" in general. I believe this is to my benefit as well as my detriment. The benefit part is not allowing myself to join something because i can never truly know if it will reflect my values. The only way I can do that is to not join at all. I suppose the detriment part is not having a strong community around me. This is why I was not hurt by what happened with LE. I do not expect people to be perfect, I can never assume I can know what somebody is capable of and I don't put stock in people I don't know. Therefore their actions cannot deeply disappoint me. I save my deep feelings for people that I do know who are close to me.
That's right, LE is not a leader, LE is a SELF-PROCLAIMED Leader. He positioned himself as the voice of the victims of Child Sexually Abused, CSA, in the UK. For 10 years, he self-proclaimed the "face" of anti-Watchtower activism. You need to investigate this matter further.
@@despertando-gameover7606 That's your self proclaimed statement. His only ever been an activist in many people's books. Not once has anyone dropped dead and made him a de-facto leader, that's all nonsense you lot have dreged up. Trying to create straw man arguments by tying him into a position he was never in.
I find myself, exactly where you described. (I saved this post.) ... A reminder, as to when trust, is broken? To (try) not to have a "knee-jerk" reaction to a "wounded, and hyper-guarded" response." It is not only infused from a cult agenda. It compounds itself when you find that you are quite naturally a trusting, and sensitive person. It works nicely in positive situations. It works horribly in negative ones. 😶
@@Jay-yp3oq yeah..... I guess you're right! It pretty pretentious though right? I mean the audacity of even judging someone. I mean... why? Hes just a a guy who has gone loopy due to family issues, work load, and unresolved personal issues. This is life, it's a shit sandwich and everybody takes a bite.
Around 4:30 or so you mentioned how these religions train you to externalize everything. That is extremely insightful and true. I was born and raised JW, left at 25 and I've been on a journey ever since. Somethings were very obvious to change and I too patted myself on the back after a year as if I had conquered the problem. But it was only the beginning really lol It is only now that I find myself starting to feel like the onion is being unraveled. I am actively doing so many things daily to truly become someone I would admire. I try to create a Brightside to complex PTSD in my mind by telling myself that I can look around and see what things I thought I ought to be, and then go for it with everything I have :) No punishment, no regrets. I used to feel like an imposter but now I believe what I say. Keep up the great work with the channel :D
Lloyd isn't and hasn't ever claimed to be a moral compass. Yes he did something wrong (as far as his family is concerned) but that doesn't change anything for anyone outside his family. I believe he is having a breakdown. He is totally out of character.
Well, it looks like you need to watch this video over and over and over and over again. Go taking notes, pause and meditate and come back to see it again. You haven't gotten the point yet.
@@xtjgloriaestrada6053 y quién le dijo a usted que pretendo ser "juez"? Esto es cuestión de tener sentido común. El tipo construyó un personaje, levantó su grupo de seguidores y adoradores (muchos de ellos lo idolatran todavía), creó su fuente de ingresos con los Patreons, y vivió de ellos por unos 10 años (copió muy bien el modus operandi de la Watchtower). Tenía su vida privada que sus seguidores no conocían. Procede a hacer un vídeo PÚBLICO donde se explaya hablando de su vida "privada". Públicamente y de su propia voluntad les cuenta a todos lo que hizo, lo que hace y deja de hacer, se justifica en que lo que hizo fue porque "no es perfecto" y por culpa de su trauma personal producto de su vida en la secta. TODOS lo ven hablando y confesando su adulterio de muchos años con prostitutas y sus repetidos viajes a lugares exóticos ($$$$$) de placer para usar prostitutas, etc, etc, etc. TODOS se enteran por la boca de ÉL MISMO, y cuando TODOS comentan SU Vídeo PÚBLICO, él llora como nena quejándose de que todos hablan mal de él, que lo difaman, cuando lo que han hecho es comentar lo que ÉL MISMO DIJO. Y, encima de eso, tiene la desfachatez de envíarle emails a algunos de los que hicieron vídeos comentando SU vídeo, para extorsionarlos pidiéndoles que le envíen a su cuenta de Banco en Croacia miles de dólares, o de lo contrario, él y su "equipo legal" los van a demandar. Cuando no recibe un centavo producto de su intento de estafa cibernética (algo que sí le puede traer a ÉL problemas con la Ley) pues amenaza a esas personas a quienes trató de estafar diciéndoles que ahora YA los tiene demandados por difamación, una demanda que sólo es real en su propia mente que alucina. Así que señora, no se necesita ser juez para darse cuenta de lo sinvergüenza que es el individuo Lloyd Evans. En resumen, Lloyd logra lo que desea: que todos hablen de él. ¡¡Y después tiene la osadía de acusarlos de difamarlo!! El tipo no está loco, Lloyd ES un manipulador que se aprovecha de todos. Es un completo narcisista con rasgos de psicópata. La secta y la Watchtower NO tienen la responsabilidad de que ÉL sea como es, ÉL actúa como lo hace por su propia decisión. Si usted va a dedicar sus vídeos a criticar y fiscalizar a la Watchtower para luego actuar exactamente igual que aquello que usted critica pues sencillamente usted es un hipócrita, y eso es lo que es Lloyd Evans, un perfecto hipócrita manipulador que se aprovecha económicamente de las mentes susceptibles de personas que han sido dañadas por la secta de la Watchtower. Si estar al tanto de estos hechos es ser juez, entonces le digo: juzgue USTED.
As a member of the ex JW community I thank you for this video regarding this matter. Lloyd Evans videos truly helped me to wake up from the disgusting JW cult. I had been out for years before I truly woke up. Lloyd really did set out to help people to escape from the religion. Unfortunately he let his sexual wants and desires overtake his sound reasoning. If he had only been humble and truly apologized for his actions in his video. It's truly a shame. Thanks again for this video. You are beautiful.
I guess he didn't let his sexual wants and desires overtake his sound reasoning. He just started to explore his sexuality way too late. The only problem is that he is already in marriage that he admitted had issues in this field. So I hope they will survive this situation. He is not just an average womaniser.
Have you considered..... 1. The AGE of the Sex Workers 2. How the services were paid for; was it with donations, in part, intended for exposing and making accountable the Watchtower Society on behalf of its tens of thousands of victims of child abuse??? #TheGoverningAntibody
@@MusiciansWithVision 1. If they were in the age of consent, it is irelevant. 2. This is controversial. The funds have not been spent "wisely", no doubt. On the other way these were his money, such as revenues from his books sales. What he did was terribly unfortunate, especially for the influential exJW activist. But the chief judge should be his wife here. I think he should carry on with his channel if possible.
@@robajzrobajzovity8474 His wife is a victim, yes, but any victim of institutional child abuse, especially those who put their trust in Lloyd Evans, also number among his victims, so I really do believe they have a big say in this too! I myself have two stepdaughters who were sexually abused by their JW father; when I described their experience to Lloyd Evans his response was dismissive to the point of callousness, revealing his TRUE feelings about child abuse, so to be honest with you, this scandal makes total sense to me, and based on his callous response in my case, and his callous response even to ACTUAL victims of child abuse, I do wonder whether the AGE of said sex workers should be our greatest concern!!! #TheGoverningAntibody #SatiricalStevenSays
@@MusiciansWithVision Who is victim here? Only himself (he caused the situation) and his family. And this was my only concern. His work was all about publishing information that would be normally kept secret and encouraging to thing critically about material published by WT. That's it. He is not fighting on behalf of or for anybody so they can just sit with crosswd fingers and wait for the result. Putting trust in him is something he never wanted and is wrong in general. And if you assume from his response to you anything more is just adding into the slander. I think the exJW community overreacted, I find it hypocritical. Let's see what near future brings. PS: I am truly sorry for what happened to your stepdaughters.
I was brought up in the WT cult, leaving school at 15 to pioneer (door knocking 100 hours month in the 1970s). By chance & good luck when I was 17 one of those doors I called on gave me the book "The Magic of Thinking Big" it was full of positive thinking and putting yourself 1st and improving yourself. I stopped pioneering & started a business that turned into a multi million pounds £ business. But took me another 20 years to get the Watchtower indoctrination fully out of my brain. To be honest I listened occasionally to Lloyds videos to get ideas to help other family members still in the cult. If there's truth to the rumours of csa then he's finished & will be a police matter. What disappointed me with his confession video, is lack of remorse, not saying sorry, victim blaming everyone, including WT, except himself. That was a great video and good advice. Thank you x
I need to get that book. I was locked into the self sabotaging indoctrination for so long and am having a hard time trying to get out of my head and motivate myself. Thanks for the tip.
@@ShoNuffSoulBro1 You should look up Thais Gibson videos on attachment styles. Even if you don't have attachment issues she def covers self sabotaging as a program or result of a core wound. I found healing much more easier to target since listening to her videos.
Thank you for caring about the ex jw community. I’m not surprised by LE behaviour as I have worked behind the scenes in the past with him and decided to have nothing to do with him years ago now. I left the JWs after 40 years and only a few years later got sucked into a personality cult of one woman and married her. After surviving her for 5 years the relief when it ended was greater than my time in the jw cult.
That's an interesting story, would like to hear more about it if you want to share. But it's so true how we are so susceptible to group think unless we go in and undo all those mindsets which are so ingrained. I'm so glad you were able to get away from the environments that were hurting you, I hope you are in a good place now!
@@AngelDeSantis currently it’s my daughter from our marriage that is suffering her mother’s attempts to create parental alienation. Thankfully that’s a whole studied psychology subject so I have been able to combat this negative behaviour. Thank you for asking 😊
New Subscriber here. I'm loving your content and concept. He was never consider to be a "LEADER" FOR THE EXJW COMMUNITY. He was just a dude helping to reveal the TRUTH about this very corrupt organization. He shared a lot of FACTS and it helped to open up many peoples eyes about this organization. It was nothing more and nothing less. I have never been one to FOLLOW a human...Concepts, yes, humans...hell no.
Breath of fresh air. Wonderful..I've always said we need more female voices in the ex cult world. Particularly with fundamentalist cults, the male energy of being the 'leader' and we accepting that lead, seems to be a real psychological sticking point for us.
Thank you Anna!! I actually have a course coming out soon called The Patriarchal recovery Process, because these religions don't consider women human beings or capable of thought the way they consider the men do. Again it's one of those things that unless we go in and ask "why do I think this way" that "way" stays even though it's origins are from an abusive place.
In my spiritual journey, i had to pull away from religion and religious leaders. They became a hindrance to my spiritual growth. It’s imperative that we all do this because we have a tendency to become lazy when it comes down worshipping God the source of our lives. We end up trusting these leaders and when they fail us, because there only human and prone to make mistakes, we have a mental breakdown. Forget these jokers and keep your faith in God and he’ll get you through it. Agape
It was alot to even wake up from Jehovah’s Witness and now I’m like I had to wake up to something all over again . This video is so well done and important . Thank you 💜
Great Video and many thanks, thankful I have always had an inquiring mind, and critical thinking even when I was in the JW cult, but thankfully my intuition with Lloyd Evans kept me from donating any money whatsoever, and I only watched Videos of his with his panel on CSA developments, I am very discerning when it comes to personalities, even online, and can spot a toxic individual a mile off, still saying all that the devious complexity of what he has done still surprised me, I am so glad I had invested nothing in him mentally or emotionally either. Once again very grateful for your kind thoughts..............❤️
@Mauri Font your reasoning is flawed if you think that channels like Lloyd's wake up people, it's a fallacy, people will only wake up by themselves, something triggers the wake up response and they start researching online, that is when they find the confirmation that they have been lied to, I have extended family still in, and I would never wast my time trying to get through to them, it never works and is a complete wast of time, your reasoning is flawed and emotional, I still have my 85 year old mother inside she will never break free, in the grand scheme of things Jehovah has it all in hand, for these religious groups are destined for destruction, until then we all have to be patient, people are waking up in huge numbers that will only increase as time progresses.
What a fantastic video. I myself can sometimes get caught up in the "righteous anger" phase which is for sure not healthy. Thanks for such a positive and well thought out response to this whole mess.
This is really good! Thank you. I'm an Ex JW. We are a community and one monkey doesn't stop the show. Lloyd did help me wake up but I hate this has happened.
Thank you for this outside opinion. It was much needed. I would like to add that it’s worth noting that LE was making a living off this and was likely a huge motivation for him besides the anger. I think he got all defensive because his business was threatened.
Its hard not to replace one addiction with another, when the emptiness is still there. 12 step programs are a great way to get to know yourself. Everyone needs to do a fearless inventory and admit their shortcomings. Truly being awake is about getting to know yourself.
Facinating I havent watched him very muc, for years. He was always a very toxic guy, if you pushed him a bit. I do NOT like many of the Ex JW peeps. Makes sense, as not everyone in any situation or group is cool. He is a smug lil man. Hope his wife will heal and be ok... BUT, much of what he said, was TRUE about the JW world. It IS a cult.. Terribly destructive., as I experienced since birth..
Lloyd did massive amounts for the x JW community which seems to have been totally OVER LOOKED , I'm really not bothered about his private life at all couldn't give a toss , he put 1000s of hours in on research helping us all , much love XX
Have you considered..... 1. The AGE of the Sex Workers 2. How the services were paid for; was it with donations, in part, intended for exposing and making accountable the Watchtower Society on behalf of its tens of thousands of victims of child abuse? #TheGoverningAntibody
@@MusiciansWithVision Doing what I do I work in evidence only , to date unless I'm wrong we have no evidence of the ages and were the funds cane from , if you could enlighten me with evidence then please do , so far it appears to be hearsay and gossip fueled with a certain degree of uncompassionate hate which I have no place for , just saying 👍
@@chriskingX1 Now you are beginning to sound like an Elder applying the TWO WITNESS RULE! I am sick and tired of repeating details of my own run ins with Lloyd Evans, how dismissive, to the point of callous, he was when I told him about my own stepdaughters being sexually abused by their JW Father, and I've also heard directly from abuse victims who received a mouthful from Evans firsthand, SO I know what his ACTUAL views are regarding child abuse; in truth, he is unable to relate to their experience, so, yes, it suggests to me that he doesn't actual see what's wrong with child abuse, and there can be only one reason why a man doesn't see what's wrong with it!!! Correct me if I'm wrong, it disgusts you, right, you can't imagine a worse crime, right; well that's a NORMAL reaction, that's how we are supposed to feel about it! #TheGoverningAntibody #SatiricalStevenSays
@@MusiciansWithVision Hi Steve , thank for your reply it's appreciated , I am certainly not looking to upset or fall out with any one I was unaware of any personal dealings you had with LE In law you are generally inocent untill proven guilty it however appears LE has been found guilty without any investigation A single person can report rape. Etc and a person convicted on that person's testimonial totally different from the JW 2 person ruling I hope you take this comment in the manor it is intended which was only to maybe offer a slightly different perspective be that right or wrong , Caio
When left the cult of Jehovah Witnesses I very quickly realised that someone called Lloyd Evans had managed to divide the comunity in two. I always tried to stay neutral and avoid drama. But his unapologetic video about how he was the victim of his wife bad sex skills was enought. I will mirror this video on my channel, Goatlike Personality. Maybe you would like to do a interview on my channel?
I think staying neutral and avoiding drama is actually very sensible, and I have admired you for not making more conflict and drama out of this. To be clear: While I highly appreciate the work of LE, I don't agree with his view on sex work or the sex industry (I am so happy that it is forbidden in Norway) - and I really hope he'll start to reflect on how the sex industry preys on the vulnerable - and how much coercion and abuse there is involved on many levels in that industry, from outright slavery and abuse to more indirect forms of coercion, and self harm - and also that he will come to understand why his current views on this topic, as well as the actions he talks about in his video, are very problematic in connection to his work against the abuse in the JW cult. And maybe he'll change his mind and actions, as I think he is capable of, as an intelligent and strongly logical person. I also believe his commitment to trying to stop the abuse of children in the cult is sincere, he has done so much great work - and I don't think he has to be damned - or shunned - for all time. But he is attacked now by so many people, and also smeared with what I believe are just horrible vicious lies - and at the same time his whole life, family, friends and maybe also his work are falling apart - so my opinion is to let him be - I don't think it is good to attack somebody who is already wounded and already is attacked - almost "stoned" - by something that reminds me of a mob of people who think they are justified in tearing another person apart. He is not an organization with power, he is just a human being of flesh and blood who has f***d up and who must be having a totally horrible time now. Don't be a part of the mob. it is not the right time for blaming and criticizing, IMO.
Can someone tell me in a couple of sentences exactly what is supposed to have happened with L Evans? I was always selective in what I took on from him but he did expose the cult which spoilt my precious teenage years.
Cheating on his wife for years and traveling for prostitutes. This video was made for those who felt wounded from putting their trust in someone who let them down. I know some people were able to seperate the man from the message, which it sounds like you were able to do- and I do think his message was really helpful for a lot of people. I'm glad you were able to get out of the cult!
Glad to find you. 4th generation X Witness here…finding value and being able to trust has haunted me for years. A strong female to counteract the type of rhetoric that Lloyd shared is imperative in my healing. Thank you
I appreciate your trying to encourage people to accept our so-called human condition and what this means at a time of deep personal crisis. And I will try to add my comment despite my imperfect English :-) The case you mention seems to be a complex one, with psychological, moral and even political aspects (the degree of organization of the so-called EX-JW community and so forth). What I personally find to be at least one of the key elements of the situation is the obvious fact that the person in question seems to have deeply offended more than a few people in the community, some of them repeatedly or even on a regular basis. I am not in a position to know who or what was to blame but, the fact is that people felt hurt. Several, not many, had openly addressed this, others had not. Everyone can imagine things like being silent in the interest of "the greater good" or the common goal, shame for having been bullied by someone stronger and his supporters, the pain of feeling misunderstood and treated with contempt - to name but some of the reasons. But, we all know what can happen when we try to suppress or ignore such feelings of anger, offense and so on for years. At the moment, people are trying to understand themselves, their thoughts and feelings in the matter, which is normal and necessary. But, many of them feel pushed to take sides (we are, after all, social creatures), which, again, can get in the way of a healthy self-reflection.
Hi Angel, this is amazing. Thank you so much for sharing. I actually am in the middle of doing the yoga teacher certification with ISSA and looked up to see if I could find some yoga videos from you. This was a breath of fresh air to me, as I came out of 20 years of religious trauma…one of the things I was told that doing yoga was evil so stepping out to get my certification is a big deal. This video hit the nail on the head for me. It’s taken me about 10 years to heal from all the gaslighting,etc. Thank you for sharing your story.
He monetized his "confession/apology" vid. JW Udates estimates that he took in $3,000 in that hour. I watched the whole thing, and the more he sobbed and blamed all and sundry for persecuting him, the more the money donations and "love" flowed towards him.
THANK 👏🏻 YOU 👏🏻. Lloyd did good work, but he's a Narccisist. He never healed and honestly, 99% of Narciccists never heal. It works for them, he has all the signs of NPD disorder. I'll be doing a video soon, is it cool if I use a clip from this?
Great video so damned true, I'm not an exjw but have family within that faith, so strong family ties, I do watch alot of exjw content as I agree with a great deal of it. I've watched the drama unfold & being as I'm not an exjw I have a very different perspective on it all. You speak very true words & I wholeheartedly agree 💯
I agree, for being a JW it is impossible to apologize. There is no sense of a wrong doing if I JW, there is no sense of forgiveness. Very central to Jesus' Gospel.
Well, it’s still no one’s business to tell other people about my failures (unless what I do is illegal). To be mad at someone for betraying your trust isn’t victim blaming, because Kim isn’t a victim. Lloyd’s family is. That being said, I feel you’re quite right about being stuck in a certain mindset. To learn to trust and love ourselves is the way to go.
Music Therapy song for the day: "Save Yourself" by The Cleats. "No preacher can show you the way. it doesn't matter what they say. Cause the answers are not quite so easy in this life. . . In a world that shows no mercy, man, you gotta save yourself, save yourself, save yourself. Drag you down, waste your whole damn life. Even when it feels you can't, you gotta save yourself, save yourself, save yourself." Thanks youtube for preserving rare songs from an obscure youth. Thanks Angel for the videos.
Helpful message to some of the folks, no doubt. I fled the JW cult back in the early 1980s. Having a 12 step program through Al Anon was the best mental path for myself as a base, along with many other guides and authored reflections. I've been observing LE since he was an elder back in the day and thought he was headed for a train wreck back then. When it delayed, I considered that he may have avoided the crash, but nope, the wrecking arrived only late.
He with out sin cast the first stone - just saying , the cult screwed us all up some more than others . unless you know someone's story from birth until now IMO you can stick your comments , I work in the Police in the UK and things are rarely as they appear on the surface , have we lost all compassion for a person that made mistakes , as an x JW I have done things I regret massively down to the warped mental upbringing we had - and LE I'm sure will too HOWEVER like Jesus and the Almighty I can forgive no matter what , I only feel compassion for him and his family and I would hope others feel the same way deep down XX much love XX if Lloyd took his own life which under the amount of hate and with the high level online profile he has god for bid could happened , then I guess folks would over look his sins and applaud his outstanding work , again just my thoughts , much love XX
My thoughts exactly. Well said. Everybodybis Tring to "simplify" a Complex problem which is none of their business. They are also sounding so sanctimonious to boot. They are all suddenly self'professed experts on morality, and speaking on behalf of "all ex JWs". I have of course swiftly pointed out to them that they should not speak on my behalf. I am capable of deciding for myself
I really appreciate your point of view. I took the therapy route when I left back in November 2021. And to be honest, while I consider myself to be out of the JW cult, I don’t consider myself to be part of the exJW community for the exact reasons you cited. I don’t personally consider Lloyd owed anything to anyone. While I don’t think what he’s accused of is morally appropriate, it’s also his private life, and I do believe that the way it was done was not appropriate either. As you also said, I don’t want to be stuck in the righteous phase of my healing process. I watch his content because it gives me a good comparison of what I was taught but under a more objective angle. But I don’t want to give the religion I was brought up in more attention than it deserves. The whole point is to move forward. I personally don’t want to be reminiscing over and over how 20+ years of my life were conditioned to believe my only purpose in life was to serve a God under a strict set of rules made by a group of men. Stop putting people on pedestals would be my advice to people who left. No one is a beacon of anything. Don’t idolize humans. Go to therapy, keep an objective perspective and let go. 💖
Thank you for your compassionate look at the devastation this scandal has caused. The universality of our experiences as recovering religious addicts is breathtaking, and it's so good to be reminded of our connections and our ability to heal from within. Subscribed. 🌟💜🌟
Thank you so so much for everything you've said... I am part of the ex JW community and I am still dealing with trauma all these decades later from it but what happened with Lloyd isn't causing me a whole lot of stress, I don't agree with what he's done if it is in fact true, but the fact is these are flawed peoples lives, as you said, and I trust people will work themselves out. What I loved so much regarding everything you just said is, oddly enough, I'm going through a traumatic breakup right now and it's breaking me up mind body and spirit. And everything you said can completely be applied to something like that also. It was so soothing and helpful to hear you say all the things you said and you're right, I am codependent and I know that and I did start therapy a couple of weeks ago and I'm going to continue, I realize I need it and I need to stop trying to be other people's heroes and I need to be my own and I need to understand what I need and what is good for me. So I just wanted you to know that everything you said was completely applicable to my situation and I really needed to hear it. I'm doing a little bit better it's been a few weeks but I have moments in the day when I break down and I feel like I can't trust myself to make proper decisions and I feel like I'll never be able to trust another human being again. I feel like everyone is just such a big liar. They put on a show in the beginning because they want you and then after they get you then all their madness comes out and it's not right it's not correct this should not be happening. I am exactly who I am the first day you meet me and that's never going to change. And I'm not perfect I am very flawed and I'm not embarrassed to show those flaws or to discuss them and I'm always ready to listen to advice and to work on things. But I seem to attract people with the opposite mindset. Anyway it's been hard and I find myself feeling down and that was happening right now when your video popped up and I really needed to hear that so thank you so much.
Hello Angel, I hope you are not equating being a cult activist with being stuck in a trauma phase or simply being angry. One thing that Jehovah's Witnesses would love to do is to quiet the Ex JW Community. It is common for Jehovah's Witnesses to tell people that have left their religion that we should no longer talk about the religion "if we have Truly moved on with our lives." This kind of gaslighting is the Jehovah's Witnesses attempt to stop the exposure of their abusive religion. Angel, I'm sure you agree that speaking out about the religious trauma caused, is equally as important as healing the religious trauma. Perhaps a few people become obsessed with it, but for most of us speaking out also aids in healing.
Hi Pat, thank you for the question. No, I do not believe being an anticult activist is being stuck in a trauma phase. I think that abusive religion definitely needs to be called out ( hence the youtube channel) and I agree that people speaking about their experiences is helpful to healing and to outing the abuses they had to suffer in silence. If the message came across that people shouldn't speak out, that was definitely not my intention. I believe we should all use our voices.
I agree very much with your insight and advice for those impacted by a predator like LE to seek professional counseling. But I’d like to add that cult survivors tend to be more vulnerable to the influence of people who want to take advantage of them for their own nefarious reasons. In the case of Lloyd Evan’s I believe he could very well qualify as an individual with psychopathic traits. It’s very difficult to differentiate psychopaths from mentally healthy individuals. Having known this individual personally and as one who has researched a broad spectrum of personality disorders I suspect LE does indeed qualify. Please check up on Dr Robert Hare’s Psychopathy Checklist which presents the characteristics of a psychopath. People have the misconception that psychopathy is synonymous with serial criminals, but the fact is the vast majority of psychopaths walk among us while the minority display violent criminal behavior. Psychopaths fall within the category of Antisocial Personality Disorder in the DSM which the standard for describing mental illnesses. Frequently psychopaths make excellent con artists and it’s easy for mentally healthy people to be seduced by the psychopath’s charm and alluring character.
Remember that anytime you talk about Jehovah's Witness you have to place a disclaimer up concerning Fair use, JW's sue everyone, "Fair use permits a party to use a copyrighted work without the copyright owner's permission for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research. ... The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." Ok to Lloyd, I liked the way Lloyd needled the top of the JW's but he was honestly boring I could only take about five minutes of him. Let's look at the facts, Jehovah's Witness is a billion-dollar industry Real Estate conglomerate, and doing what they say keeps the money rolling. Having said that they can hire private detectives to spy on people to save their reputation and they would look for flaws. Secondly I have yet to any evidence, in Lloyd's defense. Finished.
Such ones are disfellowshipped from the congregation..especially if there are two witnesses. Speaking of two witnesses Rev 11:5 & 6 is the most impactful verses lve ever come across n my 50 plus years as a Born In ..and thats since l myself was disfellowshipped !
Hope L. Evans reaches this video and start to think about his conduct and change his mindset. You spotted really well that he still has the same mindset, and this is really sad because recovering from the cult is a very long and bumpy process. It takes years of hard work.
This is getting out of hand now: Nowhere did Lloyd Evans say that he was doing anything sexual with underage girls as far as I understand it. He said that he used prostitutes and that he went to Thailand. I think I'm right in saying that a minority in the ex-JW community took those two statements and put two and two together and made five or more; assuming that - because there is a large scene in underage prostitution in Thailand, and that Lloyd said that he went to Thailand; they assumed that he must have been going to Thailand to indulge in sexual activity with underage girls, and then they told everyone else that that's what he did. The way that I understand it; and I may be wrong but I don't currently think so, is that Lloyd was unfaithful to his wife - maybe with a non-underage Thai prostitute, maybe not with a non-underage Thai prostitute: I don't have the information as to whether or not he went with a Thai prostitute or a prostitute of a different nationality - and I refuse to make assumptions before I know the full facts. It's my understanding that, even if Lloyd did go with a Thai prostitute; the rumour that she was underage is malicious hearsay. I state again that this is currently my understanding on the morning of the 19th February 2022. If in due course I discover concrete evidence to the contrary that proves that I'm wrong then my understanding and opinion will change as a result of that evidence. However for the time being I have no such evidence, and therefore I postulate that the rumours of Lloyd's indulgence in underage sex are no more than malicious rumours which were made up by trolls in the ex-JW community. Until I have solid evidence to the contrary I will continue in this vein of understanding. I do suggest that people desist from accusing Lloyd Evans in print of whatever rumours they've heard until they know the facts: Lawsuits can be drawn out and costly; and are not conducive to good mental health.
Lloyd saw many prostitutes for many years. He definitely saw prostitutes in Thailand. He admitted it himself. We’re they underage? Who knows. The guy is a scumbag that opened himself up to this sort of hearsay. Nothing anyone could say about him would even surprise me anymore. Why are so many people trying to defend this guy? Let him go. I looked up to him and enjoyed his videos when I woke up just like the rest of us.
@@jansonrawlings8169 "Lloyd saw many prostitutes for many years. He definitely saw prostitutes in Thailand. He admitted it himself. We’re they underage? Who knows?" - Exactly. - So there is no evidence of Lloyd Evans having underage sex: It's all supposition by the usual ex-JW rumour-mill, combined with malicious allegations by JW and ex-JW trolls. believe me; if I had any evidence that Lloyd had engaged in underage sexual activity then I myself would be calling him a hypocrite and more.. But there is no such evidence.
@@yvonne3903 Are you for real? As far as I am aware Lloyd has never said that he had sexual activity with underage girls. If he did say that then I would stop supporting him in any way. - Or if a police investigation found that he had been so doing then same.
@@Sharron-Idol it's not a criminal offence to have sex with prostitutes in most countries. It is worrying when he likes to brag about his accomplishments in Thailand, especially given his connections to CSA. Then to blame his many exploits on his wife.
Millie Gratis Angel. I tried to listen to Cedar's (an old alias) message and not the messenger for the last few years, even though there were many people putting a warning out about him. But, many of them looked/look like they are on the edge of losing it to a psychotic break! I mistakenly disregarded many of them, but now it looks like Cedars drove them to the edge of insanity, as abusers do! I did keep my distance which was easy as it looks like he is only interested in money, as you can see from his live videos where he responds well to super chats($), but rarely to regular comments (and I suspect those he does respond to are his patrons). I would occasionally yell at him (no one heard, ha) during videos that he is selfish and misogynistic. (You can't do that in comments, or he will block you; he is infamous for it.) Like when he talked about what went through his head during the first earthquake last year. He thought of himself, got himself out of the house to relative safety, THEN thought of his wife and girls who were up on the second floor (details could be wrong). Sure, a normal person might react this way, but in the retelling, would feel guilt about taking so long to think of immediate family members, like little children! He went on and on about how HE was affected by the earthquake. Made me sick. Just one example. The only money he got from me was the Tshirt I bought that you can see. He got no ad money from me as my hubby put in a good ad blocker. I don't blame anyone who gave him money and now changes their mind! If you don't know, you don't know! And I've sent money to other ex-jw activists, btw. To the people that knew all this before hand, and gave no money please let me know who else will take a fall so I can avoid them too. John Martin and Christian Guitierres made videos about this. Christian also shared that Cedars came to him angry that Christian's wife Katja liked a video or comment or something years ago. He wanted her to undo that "like". She wouldn't, so he cut off ties and bad mouthed them for still being Christian. He is a control freak and I hate that behavior. I am enjoying that he lost 15% of his patrons so far because the ex-jw community can do without a SELF-proclaimed "leader" like this. We can also do without all the misogyny in the ex-jw world frankly. See Mentally Diseased twitter as he explains it well (ha! a man explaining it... uggh). To those followers that compare what Cedars did to polyamory: WRONG. He cheated over and over for 'he's gunna say 3-4 years', and 'he's gunna say every 2-3 months', so 12-24 times. Polyamory is OPEN and honest; Cedars is a liar.
Hi Angel this is Gio we met few years back. Thanks for the video I agree with you people will disappoint you and the funny thing is all this religious cult pride themselves in how much they fallow the scriptures in till goes against there doctrine the Bible warns us in not trusting earthly Man, prince of whatever powerful position they have, they are man therefore they lie . I left the cult a year ago i was raised in it 39 years all my family still in it . My family dosen't talk to me anymore I'm an apostate and that happens all the time, so what you do ? You free yourself from a form of slavery and so many of us become slaves of something else and sometimes those things are quite dark. People in religious cult become afraid of the people in charge they Live their life in constant fear and most of them forget it's not to man you will give count for your actions and some of them when they leave the cult loose faith in everything they don't believe there is anything you will give count for so anything goes, I remember my wife been so scared I was going to leave her or do something stupid it broke my heart to think that my wife thought I did or didn't do certain things because I belong to a religious group . My relationship now with my wife and daughters has never been better my family can see now that religion should never be the reason why you are a good person or try to be the best version of yourself is because is what gives life meaning is the right thing to do I still believe in God and I thank him for given me the opportunity to take my family outside the cult, my girls life will be limitless . Good to see you're doing well i hope you do. Thank you for sharing i think I'm going to start my own Chanel soon I need to help others I'm not ready yet but I will soon . Ciao bella .
Well I cannot talk about others. I commented on what the man said and the way he addressed the issue, what he admitted to and how he handled the matter in public. What is in the video is a matter we know. Is it wrong to comment on what he said, admiited and how he handled the matter?
I can't care less about other people's personal lives. Sadly, the Ex-JW community is full of those who left the cult, yet the cult did not leave them. They exchange one toxic group and jump into another. Whether it's in politics, another religious group, or "follow the Ex-JW leader," many feel the need for outside guidance. This is a very good video. Bravo!
Thank you. See, the worse is that he puts himself as the voice of CSA victims in jw cult at an unprecedent level, government officials level in UK 🇬🇧 😳. I never wanted to have that dude to represent me. I am lucky enough for not being a victim from UK. But I am a victim and I understand how they feel. I feel horrible, I have no idea what I could do if I did put trust into him even just to tell my story on his channel as many did 😳. It is particularly painful to watch all those 🐑 sheep who are defending him like they used to defend the cult. Not even asking themselves the good questions 😕. What if my child was abuse victim 🤔? How would I see the situation? But, there's some people who are waking up from the lies of the dude. They are moving on, even if it's not easy. I am really proud of those people. Now, it becomes clear to who doesn't care about child abuse and who does! Excellent video, thank you again!
Great advice. It's not from without its from within. The following people thing ,church leaders , organisations, governing body, or ANY PERSONALITIES can be devastating. Seek GOD personally. THERE IS A GIANT WITHIN YOU. Thanks loads siz. Thanks all ex JW you tubers. EX JW RUclipsRS DONT FORGET SELF LOVE AND CARE. WISH YOU THE BEST IN YOUR EX JW JOURNEY AND ITS CHALLENGES.GOD LOVES US .
I never trusted him from the first time I hear about him almost a decade ago. To make matters worse someone who was very in the know in the exjw community who told me how grifting and divisive he was internally about 8 years ago. So I never watched his content. I was always skeptical about Evans - did the watchtower plant him? They do have proper high up who are not really witnesses - they are running a business. Was he planted in the exjw community to ultimately make them look bad? I don’t know but I don’t think someone who truly believed and left would be as divisive and polarizing as Evans. He rose up the ranks getting a lot of publicity over the years which adds to the damage. Who knows?
Have you considered..... 1. The AGE of the Sex Workers 2. How the services were paid for; was it with donations, in part, intended for exposing and making accountable the Watchtower Society on behalf of its tens of thousands of victims of child abuse?? #TheGoverningAntibody
Thank you for your words of wisdom! Do you think it’s forth exposing this organization for its crimes? Not for the indoctrinated JW’s but for justice for the victims & to warn the public about these crimes committed by the cult?
Thank you Gabriel, I am sorry that you experienced being shunned, but I hope it's helpful to know there are many others who have experienced the same human experience, albeit different circumstances. There is still a lot of hope now that you have your life back!
YOU can do this to a mother cat. Whine and whimper and cry and she comes to you. But just like baby kittens as soon as the whining stops they walk away as if job done. Some people are not even that!
Is he a priest or have he promised anyone anything rooted in his atheism? Exjw community, is it a kind of church? I can agree that he maybe was doing wrong against his family, but it’s their own business. I myself am a christian so I just turn my back to him if I feel it is right. I did it for a long time ago when he declared he was an atheist.
AND ALWAYS remember to separate the message from the messenger. Look at the message, and evaluate the message, and then - be the bigger person. Many people in world history that we regard as great people are later discovered to have many vices, such as a violent nature, alcohol abuse, womanising, etc. That doesn't change the fact that these people might have shed light on some very specific facts that has come to the light of day only thorough research and months of investigative journalism. A truth from ANY notorious lier isn't less true.
I know this comment is a bit late but with respect to the person that you are talking about, he is living the spirit of Absolom. If you are reading and studying your bible, (and not reading it Mentally or Physically, but rather Spiritually) you will be able you see biblical history in real time today. All of you will agree that history repeats it self. I look at both biblical history and secular history to see it in real time. Absolom started out as an activist in behalf of Tamar regarding her violation, soon thereafter it was no longer about Tamar, but he was using this as an opportunity to gain support from the Jewish people at that time. Just like the jw community of today. Do you see the parallels? You can pick up the account in 2Sam 15 starting in verse 2 thru verse 6. Notice how it revealed that Absolom was pleading Legal cases in his father's absence. Dose that sound familiar to you in modern times? Then, notice what he did in 2Sam 16 starting in verse 21 thru 23, he ends up violating his father's concubines. The very thing he condemned Ammon for, he ended up doing the same thing! Now when things start turning on him, Absolom start making a run for it just to end up having his hair caught in a tree where later he was executed. What's the lesson from this account, and how dose it relate to what all of you are talking about? There is too many chilling parallels to this in both ancient and modern times. So my advice on a closing note, like with Absolom, be careful of what you think you're advocating for and don't be victim of your own advocacy by (figuratively speaking) by your hair being caught in a tree of legal entanglements.
Respectfully I'm wondering if you watched the video and if you know the context. His video wasn't meant to be an apology video and that's why it wasn't one.
I feel like the message in this video is just a tad bit odd. I did listen to some of Lloyd Evans videos but it didn't take very long for me to get turned off. I dont know exactly why.... I didnt care to figure that out. I just moved on. With all the garbage that I dealt with as a JW amd when leaving I have huge trust issues, and I do not just hand over blanket trust to anyone, it has yo be earned. Lloyd always made me uneasy for some reason.
Not sure Yourself as Your Source is defined or cleared enough. I seem to see, yet confused. Ah minute 7:00 Should clear up that a right or wrong (though not letting it come from someone else's opinion) does not mean you should not have within yourself rights and wrongs. People can say every day and hour that only they will determine if anything they ever do is wrong, and many will do just that, feel nothing is wrong. They will say their wrong is knowing you as the wrong, and trusting you who's wrong. They are never wrong because they say so. Just because like Jesus you dont confess to sins accused of that you did not do, does not mean you don't put your own checklist on you to say this is wrong, change, stop, or even apologize. Many don't because it is easy to feel no one else is empathic so don't be empathic with them. See others as bad the way they see you. I always say i rather be trampled on than trample on others. Most are not of that mindset. I take what i know i shouldn't put up with, and the nly thing i dislike about myself is acting on the redflags too late. But if i act too soon on anything appearing like a red flag, my foot is in my mouth. A regular daily thief once said he liked a cheap $5 turtle necklace i bought in Hawaii and i thought having taken him there he would have liked it. So since he had taken things i accused him, and a year later the cat was playing with it. My mom would have said youre usually guilty so one time getting the blame when your not isn't going to kill you being youre that way. No i am not usually guilty but the words are a general truth, if always guilty then no one cares about the time youre not. Its is absurd to want your rights for one unjust moment when most of the time you trample on others rights.
Hi Douglas, I recommend looking at Steven Hassans work. He has a book called Freedom of Mind where he talks about how to encourage people to leave cults, some people even leave cults after 60 years. I hope you find it helpful!
Kim and Mikey said a lot is going on behind the scenes. It should have been left there and not broadcast to the world unless proof came out it had anything to do with c.a.. Seems at this time it is adultery. That's between Lloyd and his wife. For now Kim bringing it out has caused more damage than good. Many people are assuming the worse.
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I left the jws in fall of 2018 and while I appreciated exjw content for a time, I began to see that a lot of the content creators still had major jw traits and to a point I think being exjw has become its very own high control group. It breaks my heart because the very people who could enjoy freedom are now just back under the control of new people.
You are 100% correct.
I think it’s difficult for people who get out of it to actually own personality, especially if they were raised in it. We were raised not to have one, to reflect “the Christian personality” and “Bible principles”. There was no point in being anything but a two dimensional reflection of that. Even when we think we’ve moved past it, it shows up to grab control of our lives away from us. It doesn’t justify horrible abuse or hurtful choices, certainly, but what you’re describing sounds like this to me.
Wow it’s a shame your channel doesn’t have as many subscribers as other ex cult channels. You are actually saying things that are very helpful for trauma healing which can be hard to find in ex cult RUclips. So many of us (myself included) got stuck in the righteous anger phase and many of the more well known “leaders”in our community did not heal their trauma and move out of that phase because usually when you do you stop doing ex JW material. The result though is we never got to see an example of someone who moved on and processed their trauma. I really appreciate you and what you’re doing. Thank you
I was reared from childhood in the JW community. You absolutely nailed it with this post. As with most HDRG's the stress is on devaluing our OWN intuition, our inner voice. Hence the attachment to an external source... Humans will disappoint and we will too.
It's learning to research, stand on ourselves, draw valuable lessons from others, but build our own thinking skills and follow OUR Path.
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I was raised in the JW cult as well. Because of my experience I'm not a "joiner" in general. I believe this is to my benefit as well as my detriment. The benefit part is not allowing myself to join something because i can never truly know if it will reflect my values. The only way I can do that is to not join at all. I suppose the detriment part is not having a strong community around me. This is why I was not hurt by what happened with LE. I do not expect people to be perfect, I can never assume I can know what somebody is capable of and I don't put stock in people I don't know. Therefore their actions cannot deeply disappoint me. I save my deep feelings for people that I do know who are close to me.
Yes! Follow your own voice, we all come with a connection to the divine and a inner wisdom! Thank you, Dave!!
That is why everyone should stop looking for leaders. Lloyd is just as flawed as everyone of us.
Neither more nor less.
Thank you for this. I’m processing this LE situation and needed to hear this ❤️.
Lloyd isn't a leader. He's just an activist. I'm not sure what his morals have to do with his message.
That's right, LE is not a leader, LE is a SELF-PROCLAIMED Leader. He positioned himself as the voice of the victims of Child Sexually Abused, CSA, in the UK. For 10 years, he self-proclaimed the "face" of anti-Watchtower activism. You need to investigate this matter further.
@@despertando-gameover7606 That's your self proclaimed statement. His only ever been an activist in many people's books. Not once has anyone dropped dead and made him a de-facto leader, that's all nonsense you lot have dreged up. Trying to create straw man arguments by tying him into a position he was never in.
Your navigation of this issue from an outside perspective is art.
Thank you. The community is divided and devastated. Thanks for the encouragement.
I find myself, exactly where you described.
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A reminder, as to when trust, is broken?
To (try) not to have a "knee-jerk" reaction to a "wounded, and hyper-guarded" response."
It is not only infused from a cult agenda. It compounds itself when you find that you are quite naturally a trusting, and sensitive person.
It works nicely in positive situations. It works horribly in negative ones.
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I don't think it is divided.
...polar opposite perspectives. 🤔
In our current world?
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No, ... Way!!
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@@EX-JW-SJD You just proved that the community is divided by this comment. Cool name, though!
@@Jay-yp3oq yeah..... I guess you're right!
It pretty pretentious though right? I mean the audacity of even judging someone. I mean... why? Hes just a a guy who has gone loopy due to family issues, work load, and unresolved personal issues.
This is life, it's a shit sandwich and everybody takes a bite.
Thank you for this!
Great take and exactly what matters:
Focus on growth and the life ahead instead of looking only back and suffer again and again.
Around 4:30 or so you mentioned how these religions train you to externalize everything. That is extremely insightful and true. I was born and raised JW, left at 25 and I've been on a journey ever since. Somethings were very obvious to change and I too patted myself on the back after a year as if I had conquered the problem. But it was only the beginning really lol It is only now that I find myself starting to feel like the onion is being unraveled. I am actively doing so many things daily to truly become someone I would admire. I try to create a Brightside to complex PTSD in my mind by telling myself that I can look around and see what things I thought I ought to be, and then go for it with everything I have :) No punishment, no regrets. I used to feel like an imposter but now I believe what I say. Keep up the great work with the channel :D
Very well said and an uplifting perspective. The insight of "the need to attack" is very profound. It's a temptation that many of us need to let go of
Lloyd isn't and hasn't ever claimed to be a moral compass. Yes he did something wrong (as far as his family is concerned) but that doesn't change anything for anyone outside his family.
I believe he is having a breakdown. He is totally out of character.
Well, it looks like you need to watch this video over and over and over and over again. Go taking notes, pause and meditate and come back to see it again. You haven't gotten the point yet.
@@despertando-gameover7606 I've stopped giving a shit.
@@despertando-gameover7606 ... nadie es Perfecto.. “entiéndelo”...!!! Quien te hace juez ..?????
@@xtjgloriaestrada6053 y quién le dijo a usted que pretendo ser "juez"? Esto es cuestión de tener sentido común. El tipo construyó un personaje, levantó su grupo de seguidores y adoradores (muchos de ellos lo idolatran todavía), creó su fuente de ingresos con los Patreons, y vivió de ellos por unos 10 años (copió muy bien el modus operandi de la Watchtower). Tenía su vida privada que sus seguidores no conocían. Procede a hacer un vídeo PÚBLICO donde se explaya hablando de su vida "privada". Públicamente y de su propia voluntad les cuenta a todos lo que hizo, lo que hace y deja de hacer, se justifica en que lo que hizo fue porque "no es perfecto" y por culpa de su trauma personal producto de su vida en la secta. TODOS lo ven hablando y confesando su adulterio de muchos años con prostitutas y sus repetidos viajes a lugares exóticos ($$$$$) de placer para usar prostitutas, etc, etc, etc. TODOS se enteran por la boca de ÉL MISMO, y cuando TODOS comentan SU Vídeo PÚBLICO, él llora como nena quejándose de que todos hablan mal de él, que lo difaman, cuando lo que han hecho es comentar lo que ÉL MISMO DIJO. Y, encima de eso, tiene la desfachatez de envíarle emails a algunos de los que hicieron vídeos comentando SU vídeo, para extorsionarlos pidiéndoles que le envíen a su cuenta de Banco en Croacia miles de dólares, o de lo contrario, él y su "equipo legal" los van a demandar. Cuando no recibe un centavo producto de su intento de estafa cibernética (algo que sí le puede traer a ÉL problemas con la Ley) pues amenaza a esas personas a quienes trató de estafar diciéndoles que ahora YA los tiene demandados por difamación, una demanda que sólo es real en su propia mente que alucina. Así que señora, no se necesita ser juez para darse cuenta de lo sinvergüenza que es el individuo Lloyd Evans.
En resumen, Lloyd logra lo que desea: que todos hablen de él. ¡¡Y después tiene la osadía de acusarlos de difamarlo!! El tipo no está loco, Lloyd ES un manipulador que se aprovecha de todos. Es un completo narcisista con rasgos de psicópata. La secta y la Watchtower NO tienen la responsabilidad de que ÉL sea como es, ÉL actúa como lo hace por su propia decisión. Si usted va a dedicar sus vídeos a criticar y fiscalizar a la Watchtower para luego actuar exactamente igual que aquello que usted critica pues sencillamente usted es un hipócrita, y eso es lo que es Lloyd Evans, un perfecto hipócrita manipulador que se aprovecha económicamente de las mentes susceptibles de personas que han sido dañadas por la secta de la Watchtower. Si estar al tanto de estos hechos es ser juez, entonces le digo: juzgue USTED.
As a member of the ex JW community I thank you for this video regarding this matter. Lloyd Evans videos truly helped me to wake up from the disgusting JW cult. I had been out for years before I truly woke up. Lloyd really did set out to help people to escape from the religion. Unfortunately he let his sexual wants and desires overtake his sound reasoning. If he had only been humble and truly apologized for his actions in his video. It's truly a shame. Thanks again for this video. You are beautiful.
I guess he didn't let his sexual wants and desires overtake his sound reasoning. He just started to explore his sexuality way too late. The only problem is that he is already in marriage that he admitted had issues in this field. So I hope they will survive this situation. He is not just an average womaniser.
Have you considered.....
1. The AGE of the Sex Workers
2. How the services were paid for; was it with donations, in part, intended for exposing and making accountable the Watchtower Society on behalf of its tens of thousands of victims of child abuse???
#TheGoverningAntibody
@@MusiciansWithVision 1. If they were in the age of consent, it is irelevant. 2. This is controversial. The funds have not been spent "wisely", no doubt. On the other way these were his money, such as revenues from his books sales. What he did was terribly unfortunate, especially for the influential exJW activist. But the chief judge should be his wife here. I think he should carry on with his channel if possible.
@@robajzrobajzovity8474 His wife is a victim, yes, but any victim of institutional child abuse, especially those who put their trust in Lloyd Evans, also number among his victims, so I really do believe they have a big say in this too!
I myself have two stepdaughters who were sexually abused by their JW father; when I described their experience to Lloyd Evans his response was dismissive to the point of callousness, revealing his TRUE feelings about child abuse, so to be honest with you, this scandal makes total sense to me, and based on his callous response in my case, and his callous response even to ACTUAL victims of child abuse, I do wonder whether the AGE of said sex workers should be our greatest concern!!!
#TheGoverningAntibody #SatiricalStevenSays
@@MusiciansWithVision Who is victim here? Only himself (he caused the situation) and his family. And this was my only concern. His work was all about publishing information that would be normally kept secret and encouraging to thing critically about material published by WT. That's it. He is not fighting on behalf of or for anybody so they can just sit with crosswd fingers and wait for the result. Putting trust in him is something he never wanted and is wrong in general. And if you assume from his response to you anything more is just adding into the slander. I think the exJW community overreacted, I find it hypocritical. Let's see what near future brings. PS: I am truly sorry for what happened to your stepdaughters.
I was brought up in the WT cult, leaving school at 15 to pioneer (door knocking 100 hours month in the 1970s).
By chance & good luck when I was 17 one of those doors I called on gave me the book "The Magic of Thinking Big" it was full of positive thinking and putting yourself 1st and improving yourself. I stopped pioneering & started a business that turned into a multi million pounds £ business. But took me another 20 years to get the Watchtower indoctrination fully out of my brain.
To be honest I listened occasionally to Lloyds videos to get ideas to help other family members still in the cult. If there's truth to the rumours of csa then he's finished & will be a police matter.
What disappointed me with his confession video, is lack of remorse, not saying sorry, victim blaming everyone, including WT, except himself.
That was a great video and good advice. Thank you x
I need to get that book. I was locked into the self sabotaging indoctrination for so long and am having a hard time trying to get out of my head and motivate myself. Thanks for the tip.
@@ShoNuffSoulBro1 You should look up Thais Gibson videos on attachment styles. Even if you don't have attachment issues she def covers self sabotaging as a program or result of a core wound. I found healing much more easier to target since listening to her videos.
Thank you for caring about the ex jw community. I’m not surprised by LE behaviour as I have worked behind the scenes in the past with him and decided to have nothing to do with him years ago now.
I left the JWs after 40 years and only a few years later got sucked into a personality cult of one woman and married her. After surviving her for 5 years the relief when it ended was greater than my time in the jw cult.
A One Woman personality cult ? ! 🤣🤣
That's an interesting story, would like to hear more about it if you want to share. But it's so true how we are so susceptible to group think unless we go in and undo all those mindsets which are so ingrained. I'm so glad you were able to get away from the environments that were hurting you, I hope you are in a good place now!
@@AngelDeSantis currently it’s my daughter from our marriage that is suffering her mother’s attempts to create parental alienation. Thankfully that’s a whole studied psychology subject so I have been able to combat this negative behaviour. Thank you for asking 😊
New Subscriber here. I'm loving your content and concept. He was never consider to be a "LEADER" FOR THE EXJW COMMUNITY. He was just a dude helping to reveal the TRUTH about this very corrupt organization. He shared a lot of FACTS and it helped to open up many peoples eyes about this organization. It was nothing more and nothing less. I have never been one to FOLLOW a human...Concepts, yes, humans...hell no.
Breath of fresh air. Wonderful..I've always said we need more female voices in the ex cult world. Particularly with fundamentalist cults, the male energy of being the 'leader' and we accepting that lead, seems to be a real psychological sticking point for us.
Thank you Anna!! I actually have a course coming out soon called The Patriarchal recovery Process, because these religions don't consider women human beings or capable of thought the way they consider the men do. Again it's one of those things that unless we go in and ask "why do I think this way" that "way" stays even though it's origins are from an abusive place.
In my spiritual journey, i had to pull away from religion and religious leaders. They became a hindrance to my spiritual growth. It’s imperative that we all do this because we have a tendency to become lazy when it comes down worshipping God the source of our lives. We end up trusting these leaders and when they fail us, because there only human and prone to make mistakes, we have a mental breakdown. Forget these jokers and keep your faith in God and he’ll get you through it. Agape
Very well said👏🏼👏🏼
I was very shocked by him but not suprised.. i dont attach mysrlf to anything anymore.. that also has its cons though
It was alot to even wake up from Jehovah’s Witness and now I’m like I had to wake up to something all over again . This video is so well done and important . Thank you 💜
Great Video and many thanks, thankful I have always had an inquiring mind, and critical thinking even when I was in the JW cult, but thankfully my intuition with Lloyd Evans kept me from donating any money whatsoever, and I only watched Videos of his with his panel on CSA developments, I am very discerning when it comes to personalities, even online, and can spot a toxic individual a mile off, still saying all that the devious complexity of what he has done still surprised me, I am so glad I had invested nothing in him mentally or emotionally either. Once again very grateful for your kind thoughts..............❤️
Thank you so much.
@Mauri Font your reasoning is flawed if you think that channels like Lloyd's wake up people, it's a fallacy, people will only wake up by themselves, something triggers the wake up response and they start researching online, that is when they find the confirmation that they have been lied to,
I have extended family still in, and I would never wast my time trying to get through to them, it never works and is a complete wast of time, your reasoning is flawed and emotional, I still have my 85 year old mother inside she will never break free, in the grand scheme of things Jehovah has it all in hand, for these religious groups are destined for destruction, until then we all have to be patient, people are waking up in huge numbers that will only increase as time progresses.
Fantastic style, analytical logic, presentation and on the button, well said, well done 👏👏
What a fantastic video. I myself can sometimes get caught up in the "righteous anger" phase which is for sure not healthy. Thanks for such a positive and well thought out response to this whole mess.
Great points on blind spots and “righteous anger”. Thanks for your words!
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
This is really good! Thank you. I'm an Ex JW. We are a community and one monkey doesn't stop the show. Lloyd did help me wake up but I hate this has happened.
Thank you for this outside opinion. It was much needed. I would like to add that it’s worth noting that LE was making a living off this and was likely a huge motivation for him besides the anger. I think he got all defensive because his business was threatened.
Its hard not to replace one addiction with another, when the emptiness is still there. 12 step programs are a great way to get to know yourself. Everyone needs to do a fearless inventory and admit their shortcomings. Truly being awake is about getting to know yourself.
Facinating
I havent watched him very muc, for years. He was always a very toxic guy, if you pushed him a bit. I do NOT like many of the Ex JW peeps. Makes sense, as not everyone in any situation or group is cool.
He is a smug lil man.
Hope his wife will heal and be ok...
BUT, much of what he said, was TRUE about the JW world. It IS a cult.. Terribly destructive., as I experienced since birth..
Sensible perceptive comment gets to the heart of it so well said.
love love LOVE this Angela...love this! 'Your own Source'...wow!
Great to have an independent viewpoint, thank you.
Thank you, Jonathan.
Lloyd did massive amounts for the x JW community which seems to have been totally OVER LOOKED , I'm really not bothered about his private life at all couldn't give a toss , he put 1000s of hours in on research helping us all , much love XX
Have you considered.....
1. The AGE of the Sex Workers
2. How the services were paid for; was it with donations, in part, intended for exposing and making accountable the Watchtower Society on behalf of its tens of thousands of victims of child abuse?
#TheGoverningAntibody
@@MusiciansWithVision Doing what I do I work in evidence only , to date unless I'm wrong we have no evidence of the ages and were the funds cane from , if you could enlighten me with evidence then please do , so far it appears to be hearsay and gossip fueled with a certain degree of uncompassionate hate which I have no place for , just saying 👍
@@chriskingX1 Now you are beginning to sound like an Elder applying the TWO WITNESS RULE! I am sick and tired of repeating details of my own run ins with Lloyd Evans, how dismissive, to the point of callous, he was when I told him about my own stepdaughters being sexually abused by their JW Father, and I've also heard directly from abuse victims who received a mouthful from Evans firsthand, SO I know what his ACTUAL views are regarding child abuse; in truth, he is unable to relate to their experience, so, yes, it suggests to me that he doesn't actual see what's wrong with child abuse, and there can be only one reason why a man doesn't see what's wrong with it!!! Correct me if I'm wrong, it disgusts you, right, you can't imagine a worse crime, right; well that's a NORMAL reaction, that's how we are supposed to feel about it!
#TheGoverningAntibody #SatiricalStevenSays
@@MusiciansWithVision you need help. 🙄
@@MusiciansWithVision Hi Steve , thank for your reply it's appreciated , I am certainly not looking to upset or fall out with any one
I was unaware of any personal dealings you had with LE
In law you are generally inocent untill proven guilty it however appears LE has been found guilty without any investigation
A single person can report rape. Etc and a person convicted on that person's testimonial totally different from the JW 2 person ruling
I hope you take this comment in the manor it is intended which was only to maybe offer a slightly different perspective be that right or wrong , Caio
You said it! Thank you! It was devastating!
When left the cult of Jehovah Witnesses I very quickly realised that someone called Lloyd Evans had managed to divide the comunity in two. I always tried to stay neutral and avoid drama. But his unapologetic video about how he was the victim of his wife bad sex skills was enought.
I will mirror this video on my channel, Goatlike Personality.
Maybe you would like to do a interview on my channel?
Good morning Jonas from NY. Yes that would be an insightful interview if she agrees.
Lets hope she does
@@GoatlikePersonality she does !! 🙌🏼
@@AngelDeSantis Yay!
I think staying neutral and avoiding drama is actually very sensible, and I have admired you for not making more conflict and drama out of this. To be clear: While I highly appreciate the work of LE, I don't agree with his view on sex work or the sex industry (I am so happy that it is forbidden in Norway) - and I really hope he'll start to reflect on how the sex industry preys on the vulnerable - and how much coercion and abuse there is involved on many levels in that industry, from outright slavery and abuse to more indirect forms of coercion, and self harm - and also that he will come to understand why his current views on this topic, as well as the actions he talks about in his video, are very problematic in connection to his work against the abuse in the JW cult.
And maybe he'll change his mind and actions, as I think he is capable of, as an intelligent and strongly logical person.
I also believe his commitment to trying to stop the abuse of children in the cult is sincere, he has done so much great work - and I don't think he has to be damned - or shunned - for all time.
But he is attacked now by so many people, and also smeared with what I believe are just horrible vicious lies - and at the same time his whole life, family, friends and maybe also his work are falling apart - so my opinion is to let him be - I don't think it is good to attack somebody who is already wounded and already is attacked - almost "stoned" - by something that reminds me of a mob of people who think they are justified in tearing another person apart. He is not an organization with power, he is just a human being of flesh and blood who has f***d up and who must be having a totally horrible time now. Don't be a part of the mob. it is not the right time for blaming and criticizing, IMO.
Thanks so much you have helped me when I was unloved .I appreciate all your hard work you must be a true angel.many thanks Gabriel from England
Can someone tell me in a couple of sentences exactly what is supposed to have happened with L Evans? I was always selective in what I took on from him but he did expose the cult which spoilt my precious teenage years.
Cheating on his wife for years and traveling for prostitutes. This video was made for those who felt wounded from putting their trust in someone who let them down.
I know some people were able to seperate the man from the message, which it sounds like you were able to do- and I do think his message was really helpful for a lot of people. I'm glad you were able to get out of the cult!
Glad to find you. 4th generation X Witness here…finding value and being able to trust has haunted me for years. A strong female to counteract the type of rhetoric that Lloyd shared is imperative in my healing. Thank you
Thank you Jenny! I am so glad that you are here. Sending you love and encouragement!
I appreciate your trying to encourage people to accept our so-called human condition and what this means at a time of deep personal crisis.
And I will try to add my comment despite my imperfect English :-)
The case you mention seems to be a complex one, with psychological, moral and even political aspects (the degree of organization of the so-called EX-JW community and so forth).
What I personally find to be at least one of the key elements of the situation is the obvious fact that the person in question seems to have deeply offended more than a few people in the community, some of them repeatedly or even on a regular basis. I am not in a position to know who or what was to blame but, the fact is that people felt hurt. Several, not many, had openly addressed this, others had not. Everyone can imagine things like being silent in the interest of "the greater good" or the common goal, shame for having been bullied by someone stronger and his supporters, the pain of feeling misunderstood and treated with contempt - to name but some of the reasons. But, we all know what can happen when we try to suppress or ignore such feelings of anger, offense and so on for years.
At the moment, people are trying to understand themselves, their thoughts and feelings in the matter, which is normal and necessary. But, many of them feel pushed to take sides (we are, after all, social creatures), which, again, can get in the way of a healthy self-reflection.
Hi Angel, this is amazing. Thank you so much for sharing. I actually am in the middle of doing the yoga teacher certification with ISSA and looked up to see if I could find some yoga videos from you. This was a breath of fresh air to me, as I came out of 20 years of religious trauma…one of the things I was told that doing yoga was evil so stepping out to get my certification is a big deal. This video hit the nail on the head for me. It’s taken me about 10 years to heal from all the gaslighting,etc. Thank you for sharing your story.
Oh wow, what a fun connection. And I'm so glad it was helpful for you❤️
Thank you. This was a great video very informative and encouraging.
Thank you, Darlene. I'm glad you feel encouraged!
How long are the words encouraged, encouragement, encouraging gonna feel like jw words 😵
It was so corny hearing that after meetings
Thank you so much! 💐
He monetized his "confession/apology" vid. JW Udates estimates that he took in $3,000 in that hour.
I watched the whole thing, and the more he sobbed and blamed all and sundry for persecuting him, the more the money donations and "love" flowed towards him.
THANK 👏🏻 YOU 👏🏻. Lloyd did good work, but he's a Narccisist. He never healed and honestly, 99% of Narciccists never heal. It works for them, he has all the signs of NPD disorder. I'll be doing a video soon, is it cool if I use a clip from this?
Yes, feel free! 🙌🏼✨
@@AngelDeSantis Aye, thank you. This channel needs more exposure. I’m intrigued.
Great video so damned true, I'm not an exjw but have family within that faith, so strong family ties, I do watch alot of exjw content as I agree with a great deal of it. I've watched the drama unfold & being as I'm not an exjw I have a very different perspective on it all. You speak very true words & I wholeheartedly agree 💯
Thank you!!
Great 👍 Video. A great many lessons learned...
Thank you Tammy, I"m glad it was helpful!
Very well done.
I agree, for being a JW it is impossible to apologize. There is no sense of a wrong doing if I JW, there is no sense of forgiveness. Very central to Jesus' Gospel.
Well, it’s still no one’s business to tell other people about my failures (unless what I do is illegal). To be mad at someone for betraying your trust isn’t victim blaming, because Kim isn’t a victim. Lloyd’s family is. That being said, I feel you’re quite right about being stuck in a certain mindset. To learn to trust and love ourselves is the way to go.
Music Therapy song for the day: "Save Yourself" by The Cleats.
"No preacher can show you the way. it doesn't matter what they say. Cause the answers are not quite so easy in this life. . . In a world that shows no mercy, man, you gotta save yourself, save yourself, save yourself. Drag you down, waste your whole damn life. Even when it feels you can't, you gotta save yourself, save yourself, save yourself." Thanks youtube for preserving rare songs from an obscure youth. Thanks Angel for the videos.
Helpful message to some of the folks, no doubt. I fled the JW cult back in the early 1980s. Having a 12 step program through Al Anon was the best mental path for myself as a base, along with many other guides and authored reflections. I've been observing LE since he was an elder back in the day and thought he was headed for a train wreck back then. When it delayed, I considered that he may have avoided the crash, but nope, the wrecking arrived only late.
Wise words. Cheers from Madrid.
What a sober advice.
He with out sin cast the first stone - just saying , the cult screwed us all up some more than others . unless you know someone's story from birth until now IMO you can stick your comments , I work in the Police in the UK and things are rarely as they appear on the surface , have we lost all compassion for a person that made mistakes , as an x JW I have done things I regret massively down to the warped mental upbringing we had - and LE I'm sure will too HOWEVER like Jesus and the Almighty I can forgive no matter what , I only feel compassion for him and his family and I would hope others feel the same way deep down XX much love XX if Lloyd took his own life which under the amount of hate and with the high level online profile he has god for bid could happened , then I guess folks would over look his sins and applaud his outstanding work , again just my thoughts , much love XX
My thoughts exactly. Well said. Everybodybis Tring to "simplify" a Complex problem which is none of their business. They are also sounding so sanctimonious to boot. They are all suddenly self'professed experts on morality, and speaking on behalf of "all ex JWs". I have of course swiftly pointed out to them that they should not speak on my behalf. I am capable of deciding for myself
I really appreciate your point of view. I took the therapy route when I left back in November 2021. And to be honest, while I consider myself to be out of the JW cult, I don’t consider myself to be part of the exJW community for the exact reasons you cited.
I don’t personally consider Lloyd owed anything to anyone. While I don’t think what he’s accused of is morally appropriate, it’s also his private life, and I do believe that the way it was done was not appropriate either.
As you also said, I don’t want to be stuck in the righteous phase of my healing process. I watch his content because it gives me a good comparison of what I was taught but under a more objective angle. But I don’t want to give the religion I was brought up in more attention than it deserves. The whole point is to move forward. I personally don’t want to be reminiscing over and over how 20+ years of my life were conditioned to believe my only purpose in life was to serve a God under a strict set of rules made by a group of men.
Stop putting people on pedestals would be my advice to people who left. No one is a beacon of anything. Don’t idolize humans. Go to therapy, keep an objective perspective and let go. 💖
Thank you for your compassionate look at the devastation this scandal has caused. The universality of our experiences as recovering religious addicts is breathtaking, and it's so good to be reminded of our connections and our ability to heal from within. Subscribed.
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sign here is similar to Bahai emblem.. (two imperfect stars. )
So well articulated. Thank you 💖
Thank you so so much for everything you've said... I am part of the ex JW community and I am still dealing with trauma all these decades later from it but what happened with Lloyd isn't causing me a whole lot of stress, I don't agree with what he's done if it is in fact true, but the fact is these are flawed peoples lives, as you said, and I trust people will work themselves out.
What I loved so much regarding everything you just said is, oddly enough, I'm going through a traumatic breakup right now and it's breaking me up mind body and spirit. And everything you said can completely be applied to something like that also. It was so soothing and helpful to hear you say all the things you said and you're right, I am codependent and I know that and I did start therapy a couple of weeks ago and I'm going to continue, I realize I need it and I need to stop trying to be other people's heroes and I need to be my own and I need to understand what I need and what is good for me. So I just wanted you to know that everything you said was completely applicable to my situation and I really needed to hear it. I'm doing a little bit better it's been a few weeks but I have moments in the day when I break down and I feel like I can't trust myself to make proper decisions and I feel like I'll never be able to trust another human being again. I feel like everyone is just such a big liar. They put on a show in the beginning because they want you and then after they get you then all their madness comes out and it's not right it's not correct this should not be happening. I am exactly who I am the first day you meet me and that's never going to change. And I'm not perfect I am very flawed and I'm not embarrassed to show those flaws or to discuss them and I'm always ready to listen to advice and to work on things. But I seem to attract people with the opposite mindset. Anyway it's been hard and I find myself feeling down and that was happening right now when your video popped up and I really needed to hear that so thank you so much.
Hello Angel, I hope you are not equating being a cult activist with being stuck in a trauma phase or simply being angry. One thing that Jehovah's Witnesses would love to do is to quiet the Ex JW Community. It is common for Jehovah's Witnesses to tell people that have left their religion that we should no longer talk about the religion "if we have Truly moved on with our lives." This kind of gaslighting is the Jehovah's Witnesses attempt to stop the exposure of their abusive religion. Angel, I'm sure you agree that speaking out about the religious trauma caused, is equally as important as healing the religious trauma. Perhaps a few people become obsessed with it, but for most of us speaking out also aids in healing.
Hi Pat, thank you for the question. No, I do not believe being an anticult activist is being stuck in a trauma phase. I think that abusive religion definitely needs to be called out ( hence the youtube channel) and I agree that people speaking about their experiences is helpful to healing and to outing the abuses they had to suffer in silence. If the message came across that people shouldn't speak out, that was definitely not my intention. I believe we should all use our voices.
Be the best version of yourself
Thanks for an excellent video.
Nick from England 🏴
Thanks Nick from England! :) Appreciate you being here!
I agree very much with your insight and advice for those impacted by a predator like LE to seek professional counseling. But I’d like to add that cult survivors tend to be more vulnerable to the influence of people who want to take advantage of them for their own nefarious reasons. In the case of Lloyd Evan’s I believe he could very well qualify as an individual with psychopathic traits. It’s very difficult to differentiate psychopaths from mentally healthy individuals. Having known this individual personally and as one who has researched a broad spectrum of personality disorders I suspect LE does indeed qualify. Please check up on Dr Robert Hare’s Psychopathy Checklist which presents the characteristics of a psychopath. People have the misconception that psychopathy is synonymous with serial criminals, but the fact is the vast majority of psychopaths walk among us while the minority display violent criminal behavior. Psychopaths fall within the category of Antisocial Personality Disorder in the DSM which the standard for describing mental illnesses. Frequently psychopaths make excellent con artists and it’s easy for mentally healthy people to be seduced by the psychopath’s charm and alluring character.
Great insight, and thank you for sharing this resource!
Yes Yes Yes. You are so on point. Theramintrees has a great vid called 'No one's disciple".
Hi brilliant video nicely done.very interesting. You are so right.much appreciated your helping us in cold England. Much love from us
Remember that anytime you talk about Jehovah's Witness you have to place a disclaimer up concerning Fair use, JW's sue everyone, "Fair use permits a party to use a copyrighted work without the copyright owner's permission for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research. ... The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." Ok to Lloyd, I liked the way Lloyd needled the top of the JW's but he was honestly boring I could only take about five minutes of him. Let's look at the facts, Jehovah's Witness is a billion-dollar industry Real Estate conglomerate, and doing what they say keeps the money rolling. Having said that they can hire private detectives to spy on people to save their reputation and they would look for flaws. Secondly I have yet to any evidence, in Lloyd's defense. Finished.
Along with real estate business, You left out worldwide PEDOPHILE sanctuary and child sex slavery organization.
Morning, A Betrayal of trust. I think Dijana is the worst effected. Worse I think was his pitiful non apology, could not own his own mistakes.
Such ones are disfellowshipped from the congregation..especially if there are two witnesses.
Speaking of two witnesses
Rev 11:5 & 6 is the most impactful verses lve ever come across n my 50 plus years as a Born In ..and thats since l myself was disfellowshipped !
Hope L. Evans reaches this video and start to think about his conduct and change his mindset. You spotted really well that he still has the same mindset, and this is really sad because recovering from the cult is a very long and bumpy process. It takes years of hard work.
This is getting out of hand now: Nowhere did Lloyd Evans say that he was doing anything sexual with underage girls as far as I understand it. He said that he used prostitutes and that he went to Thailand. I think I'm right in saying that a minority in the ex-JW community took those two statements and put two and two together and made five or more; assuming that - because there is a large scene in underage prostitution in Thailand, and that Lloyd said that he went to Thailand; they assumed that he must have been going to Thailand to indulge in sexual activity with underage girls, and then they told everyone else that that's what he did. The way that I understand it; and I may be wrong but I don't currently think so, is that Lloyd was unfaithful to his wife - maybe with a non-underage Thai prostitute, maybe not with a non-underage Thai prostitute: I don't have the information as to whether or not he went with a Thai prostitute or a prostitute of a different nationality - and I refuse to make assumptions before I know the full facts. It's my understanding that, even if Lloyd did go with a Thai prostitute; the rumour that she was underage is malicious hearsay.
I state again that this is currently my understanding on the morning of the 19th February 2022. If in due course I discover concrete evidence to the contrary that proves that I'm wrong then my understanding and opinion will change as a result of that evidence. However for the time being I have no such evidence, and therefore I postulate that the rumours of Lloyd's indulgence in underage sex are no more than malicious rumours which were made up by trolls in the ex-JW community. Until I have solid evidence to the contrary I will continue in this vein of understanding.
I do suggest that people desist from accusing Lloyd Evans in print of whatever rumours they've heard until they know the facts: Lawsuits can be drawn out and costly; and are not conducive to good mental health.
Lloyd saw many prostitutes for many years. He definitely saw prostitutes in Thailand. He admitted it himself. We’re they underage? Who knows. The guy is a scumbag that opened himself up to this sort of hearsay. Nothing anyone could say about him would even surprise me anymore. Why are so many people trying to defend this guy? Let him go. I looked up to him and enjoyed his videos when I woke up just like the rest of us.
@@jansonrawlings8169 "Lloyd saw many prostitutes for many years. He definitely saw prostitutes in Thailand. He admitted it himself. We’re they underage? Who knows?" - Exactly. - So there is no evidence of Lloyd Evans having underage sex: It's all supposition by the usual ex-JW rumour-mill, combined with malicious allegations by JW and ex-JW trolls. believe me; if I had any evidence that Lloyd had engaged in underage sexual activity then I myself would be calling him a hypocrite and more.. But there is no such evidence.
@@Sharron-Idol what would constitute concrete evidence?
Obviously not a confession, surely surely your not hoping he took pictures?
@@yvonne3903 Are you for real? As far as I am aware Lloyd has never said that he had sexual activity with underage girls. If he did say that then I would stop supporting him in any way. - Or if a police investigation found that he had been so doing then same.
@@Sharron-Idol it's not a criminal offence to have sex with prostitutes in most countries. It is worrying when he likes to brag about his accomplishments in Thailand, especially given his connections to CSA. Then to blame his many exploits on his wife.
what a fantastic message here, i hope Lloyd will see this and learn!
This is what she means by "righteous anger". Work on yourself, not other people.
Great video. Thank you
Thank you, Ben!
Millie Gratis Angel. I tried to listen to Cedar's (an old alias) message and not the messenger for the last few years, even though there were many people putting a warning out about him. But, many of them looked/look like they are on the edge of losing it to a psychotic break! I mistakenly disregarded many of them, but now it looks like Cedars drove them to the edge of insanity, as abusers do! I did keep my distance which was easy as it looks like he is only interested in money, as you can see from his live videos where he responds well to super chats($), but rarely to regular comments (and I suspect those he does respond to are his patrons).
I would occasionally yell at him (no one heard, ha) during videos that he is selfish and misogynistic. (You can't do that in comments, or he will block you; he is infamous for it.) Like when he talked about what went through his head during the first earthquake last year. He thought of himself, got himself out of the house to relative safety, THEN thought of his wife and girls who were up on the second floor (details could be wrong). Sure, a normal person might react this way, but in the retelling, would feel guilt about taking so long to think of immediate family members, like little children! He went on and on about how HE was affected by the earthquake. Made me sick. Just one example.
The only money he got from me was the Tshirt I bought that you can see. He got no ad money from me as my hubby put in a good ad blocker. I don't blame anyone who gave him money and now changes their mind! If you don't know, you don't know! And I've sent money to other ex-jw activists, btw.
To the people that knew all this before hand, and gave no money please let me know who else will take a fall so I can avoid them too.
John Martin and Christian Guitierres made videos about this. Christian also shared that Cedars came to him angry that Christian's wife Katja liked a video or comment or something years ago. He wanted her to undo that "like". She wouldn't, so he cut off ties and bad mouthed them for still being Christian. He is a control freak and I hate that behavior.
I am enjoying that he lost 15% of his patrons so far because the ex-jw community can do without a SELF-proclaimed "leader" like this.
We can also do without all the misogyny in the ex-jw world frankly. See Mentally Diseased twitter as he explains it well (ha! a man explaining it... uggh).
To those followers that compare what Cedars did to polyamory: WRONG. He cheated over and over for 'he's gunna say 3-4 years', and 'he's gunna say every 2-3 months', so 12-24 times. Polyamory is OPEN and honest; Cedars is a liar.
Yes
You have missed the whole point of what Angel is saying. Y0u are revelling in your righteous indignation and it sounds very culty.
@@milham76 thank you for the warm fuzzy. You have a nice week-end Fiona. Maybe you should try to become a therapist! 🤣
@@governingbodylanguage2025 Oh , you LIKE being culty. My bad.
Hi Angel this is Gio we met few years back. Thanks for the video I agree with you people will disappoint you and the funny thing is all this religious cult pride themselves in how much they fallow the scriptures
in till goes against there doctrine
the Bible warns us in not trusting earthly Man, prince of whatever powerful position they have, they are man therefore they lie .
I left the cult a year ago i was raised in it 39 years all my family still in it . My family dosen't talk to me anymore I'm an apostate and that happens all the time, so what you do ? You free yourself from a form of slavery and so many of us become slaves of something else and sometimes those things are quite dark. People in religious cult become afraid of the people in charge they Live their life in constant fear and most of them forget it's not to man you will give count for your actions and some of them when they leave the cult loose faith in everything they don't believe there is anything you will give count for so anything goes, I remember my wife been so scared I was going to leave her or do something stupid it broke my heart to think that my wife thought I did or didn't do certain things because I belong to a religious group . My relationship now with my wife and daughters has never been better my family can see now that religion should never be the reason why you are a good person or try to be the best version of yourself is because is what gives life meaning is the right thing to do I still believe in God and I thank him for given me the opportunity to take my family outside the cult, my girls life will be limitless . Good to see you're doing well i hope you do. Thank you for sharing i think I'm going to start my own Chanel soon I need to help others I'm not ready yet but I will soon . Ciao bella .
Why are so many Ex-JWs commenting on the "Lloyd Evans situation" when they have no direct knowledge of the matter?
Well I cannot talk about others. I commented on what the man said and the way he addressed the issue, what he admitted to and how he handled the matter in public. What is in the video is a matter we know. Is it wrong to comment on what he said, admiited and how he handled the matter?
You obviously are not following anyone. Hes facts are all over.
Really great advice.
Thank you ,Roland!
I can't care less about other people's personal lives. Sadly, the Ex-JW community is full of those who left the cult, yet the cult did not leave them. They exchange one toxic group and jump into another. Whether it's in politics, another religious group, or "follow the Ex-JW leader," many feel the need for outside guidance.
This is a very good video. Bravo!
Awesome video Angel! Thank you
Thank you. See, the worse is that he puts himself as the voice of CSA victims in jw cult at an unprecedent level, government officials level in UK 🇬🇧 😳. I never wanted to have that dude to represent me. I am lucky enough for not being a victim from UK. But I am a victim and I understand how they feel. I feel horrible, I have no idea what I could do if I did put trust into him even just to tell my story on his channel as many did 😳. It is particularly painful to watch all those 🐑 sheep who are defending him like they used to defend the cult. Not even asking themselves the good questions 😕. What if my child was abuse victim 🤔? How would I see the situation? But, there's some people who are waking up from the lies of the dude. They are moving on, even if it's not easy. I am really proud of those people. Now, it becomes clear to who doesn't care about child abuse and who does! Excellent video, thank you again!
Great advice. It's not from without its from within. The following people thing ,church leaders , organisations, governing body, or ANY PERSONALITIES can be devastating. Seek GOD personally. THERE IS A GIANT WITHIN YOU. Thanks loads siz. Thanks all ex JW you tubers. EX JW RUclipsRS DONT FORGET SELF LOVE AND CARE. WISH YOU THE BEST IN YOUR EX JW JOURNEY AND ITS CHALLENGES.GOD LOVES US .
You can take the JW out of the elder, but you can’t take the Elder out of the JW. One of the entitled class.
Yes, you can remove the person from the abusive cult, but removing the abusive mindset from the person is a whole other thing!
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Thank you!! And welcome!
I never trusted him from the first time I hear about him almost a decade ago. To make matters worse someone who was very in the know in the exjw community who told me how grifting and divisive he was internally about 8 years ago. So I never watched his content.
I was always skeptical about Evans - did the watchtower plant him? They do have proper high up who are not really witnesses - they are running a business.
Was he planted in the exjw community to ultimately make them look bad?
I don’t know but I don’t think someone who truly believed and left would be as divisive and polarizing as Evans.
He rose up the ranks getting a lot of publicity over the years which adds to the damage.
Who knows?
Have you considered.....
1. The AGE of the Sex Workers
2. How the services were paid for; was it with donations, in part, intended for exposing and making accountable the Watchtower Society on behalf of its tens of thousands of victims of child abuse??
#TheGoverningAntibody
"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." -Linji Yixuan
Thank you for your words of wisdom! Do you think it’s forth exposing this organization for its crimes? Not for the indoctrinated JW’s but for justice for the victims & to warn the public about these crimes committed by the cult?
Thank you Gabriel, I am sorry that you experienced being shunned, but I hope it's helpful to know there are many others who have experienced the same human experience, albeit different circumstances. There is still a lot of hope now that you have your life back!
YOU can do this to a mother cat. Whine and whimper and cry and she comes to you. But just like baby kittens as soon as the whining stops they walk away as if job done. Some people are not even that!
I grew up as a JW... i told you my story before
this is great. you're great.
Thanks! You're great too!
Great video i love it, thanks a lot Angel
Thank you, John!
@@AngelDeSantis you are welcome, keep going on this hi level and education
The Lloyd Evans cult was simultaneously angry at him and defending him. Everyone else on the internet is blocked.
Is he a priest or have he promised anyone anything rooted in his atheism?
Exjw community, is it a kind of church?
I can agree that he maybe was doing wrong against his family, but it’s their own business.
I myself am a christian so I just turn my back to him if I feel it is right. I did it for a long time ago when he declared he was an atheist.
AND ALWAYS remember to separate the message from the messenger. Look at the message, and evaluate the message, and then - be the bigger person. Many people in world history that we regard as great people are later discovered to have many vices, such as a violent nature, alcohol abuse, womanising, etc. That doesn't change the fact that these people might have shed light on some very specific facts that has come to the light of day only thorough research and months of investigative journalism. A truth from ANY notorious lier isn't less true.
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Share, share, and subscribe. Great message.
I know this comment is a bit late but with respect to the person that you are talking about, he is living the spirit of Absolom. If you are reading and studying your bible, (and not reading it Mentally or Physically, but rather Spiritually) you will be able you see biblical history in real time today. All of you will agree that history repeats it self. I look at both biblical history and secular history to see it in real time. Absolom started out as an activist in behalf of Tamar regarding her violation, soon thereafter it was no longer about Tamar, but he was using this as an opportunity to gain support from the Jewish people at that time. Just like the jw community of today. Do you see the parallels? You can pick up the account in 2Sam 15 starting in verse 2 thru verse 6. Notice how it revealed that Absolom was pleading Legal cases in his father's absence. Dose that sound familiar to you in modern times? Then, notice what he did in 2Sam 16 starting in verse 21 thru 23, he ends up violating his father's concubines. The very thing he condemned Ammon for, he ended up doing the same thing! Now when things start turning on him, Absolom start making a run for it just to end up having his hair caught in a tree where later he was executed. What's the lesson from this account, and how dose it relate to what all of you are talking about? There is too many chilling parallels to this in both ancient and modern times. So my advice on a closing note, like with Absolom, be careful of what you think you're advocating for and don't be victim of your own advocacy by (figuratively speaking) by your hair being caught in a tree of legal entanglements.
Respectfully I'm wondering if you watched the video and if you know the context. His video wasn't meant to be an apology video and that's why it wasn't one.
Therapy don't help when people ignored my dads ID
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I feel like the message in this video is just a tad bit odd. I did listen to some of Lloyd Evans videos but it didn't take very long for me to get turned off. I dont know exactly why.... I didnt care to figure that out. I just moved on.
With all the garbage that I dealt with as a JW amd when leaving I have huge trust issues, and I do not just hand over blanket trust to anyone, it has yo be earned. Lloyd always made me uneasy for some reason.
Not sure Yourself as Your Source is defined or cleared enough. I seem to see, yet confused. Ah minute 7:00 Should clear up that a right or wrong (though not letting it come from someone else's opinion) does not mean you should not have within yourself rights and wrongs. People can say every day and hour that only they will determine if anything they ever do is wrong, and many will do just that, feel nothing is wrong. They will say their wrong is knowing you as the wrong, and trusting you who's wrong. They are never wrong because they say so. Just because like Jesus you dont confess to sins accused of that you did not do, does not mean you don't put your own checklist on you to say this is wrong, change, stop, or even apologize. Many don't because it is easy to feel no one else is empathic so don't be empathic with them. See others as bad the way they see you. I always say i rather be trampled on than trample on others. Most are not of that mindset. I take what i know i shouldn't put up with, and the nly thing i dislike about myself is acting on the redflags too late. But if i act too soon on anything appearing like a red flag, my foot is in my mouth. A regular daily thief once said he liked a cheap $5 turtle necklace i bought in Hawaii and i thought having taken him there he would have liked it. So since he had taken things i accused him, and a year later the cat was playing with it. My mom would have said youre usually guilty so one time getting the blame when your not isn't going to kill you being youre that way. No i am not usually guilty but the words are a general truth, if always guilty then no one cares about the time youre not. Its is absurd to want your rights for one unjust moment when most of the time you trample on others rights.
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Hi, guys I know little about the JW
doctrine, my Dad is involved in
this, how can I talk to him about
getting away from it, he 77
Hi Douglas, I recommend looking at Steven Hassans work. He has a book called Freedom of Mind where he talks about how to encourage people to leave cults, some people even leave cults after 60 years. I hope you find it helpful!
@@AngelDeSantis Thank you
God bless you and keep you 🙏🏼
Kim and Mikey said a lot is going on behind the scenes. It should have been left there and not broadcast to the world unless proof came out it had anything to do with c.a.. Seems at this time it is adultery. That's between Lloyd and his wife. For now Kim bringing it out has caused more damage than good. Many people are assuming the worse.