I couldn't disagree more ... this film was ART. The story, action, music, cinematography... just PERFECT. I understand not being happy w/ the ending but where else could they take his story? John Wick has reached iconic status. Baba Yaga lives forever...
Not everyone appreciates a masterpiece of art in the same way or to the same degree, not the fault of the artist, but of the critic, for failing to see the beauty and grace of the work of art.
I can understand the dissatisfaction with how it ended, but I don't agree with it. I feel like Grace's dissatisfaction boils down to "It wasn't fair that all these people sacrificed for John, only for him to die anyway." I agree that it's not fair. It was a tragedy (in the literary sense of the word). It's like 'Romeo and Juliet', or to be a little more contemporary, like 'The Mist'. The death was senseless, and that's kind of the point. 🤷🏾♂️
Slow down, the story was not all that great, and it never was when it came to this franchise. But it achieved it’s goal, and was a stunt choreography masterpiece!
The story, what story lol, I love action movies and the action is art but there really is no real character arc that warrants what happened to Wick. The script needed a lot more work
Shocked that she gave this movie a rotten. This film was an absolute masterclass, easily the best in the franchise. This was honestly the best in theater experience since Spider-Man NWH.
Well put and truth telling. My Dolby theater was full and people were clapping when Winston called out the villain at the end for being cocky before getting shot in the head.
@@kevina3673 It absolutely was, at the very least in cinematography and choreography. Different films have different goals, this one executes what it aims to, and does it to perfection. Perhaps you should try and think instead of letting others do it for you.
@@kevina3673 the lighting, the set pieces, the coloring, stunts, the camera work, and shot selections were all done Masterfully. If this film doesn’t get nominated in cinematography categories then it’s a crying shame.
John Wick showcases why stunt directing and work deserves to be awarded not just SAGs, but the Academy Awards. It’s refreshing to see well choreographed action sequences/filmmaking that is well staged and planned and not cut up in the editing bay. I’m not just saying that because of this film, but previous John Wick films (Atomic Blonde, Mad Max Fury Road) are deserving. Similar to the SAGs, I’m sure they could find 3 films to nominate each year and stunt work isn’t just an “action film” thing. Comedies, war films, musicals, and horror films (like Malignant) would be in consideration. Sigh, when will the Academy learn.
John decided he didn't want to kill another friend. He was exhasut3d by the end. That's when he chose to die despite 4 movies of trying to live. He didn't want to take another father away from his daughter
I like the irony of it... He has been fighting for his freedom for so long that when he finally gets it he can only enjoy it for a couple of minutes. And of course, as he promised in chapter 3, he enjoys it by remembering his wife. Plus it was foreshadowed that he would only find freedom in death.
Caine telling Aikira he’ll be waiting for her gave me kill bill vibes. Also when Winston and the Bowery King had the conversation at John’s grave it had a shot of John’s dog looking in a certain direction as if he smelled his master somewhere in the distance maybe I’m feeding to much into the details or maybe not we shall see 😂😂
Yeah I just don’t understand how you can watch this movie and give it a rotten , maybe not as high of as score as other but rotten ? It makes no sense to me
@Steven E that was literally my favorite scene. All the stunt work that went into this and the beautiful cinematography was mind blowing. At this point I didn't even care if john wick was unkillable. Yeah there are several scenes where he clearly should've died but it's John Wick lol. I stopped caring for that after the 2nd one. Just didn't feel it was worthy of a rotten tomatoe. It's at 96% so clearly they did something right!
@Aaron-zl5gq No stakes?? What film were you watching? John had to kill Killa in order to rejoin his "family" in order to qualify for the dule with de Gramont. His life and Winston's were tied to the stipulations of that dule and Killa himself wasn't exactly easy to kill. Then you had de Gramont's main henchman, Chidi who was near unstoppable and it wasn't even John that killed him. Throw in the tracker who was a wild card and could have killed John on several occasions had he wanted to. Wick is a legend in his universe for a reason. The first film makes a big deal about him being the bogeyman and the 3 subsequent films illustrate why. These films and the character deliver on what they set out to do but to say there's no stakes is just patently untrue.
Grace, people have been pointing out that he was shot where he had to shoot the doctor in part 3. So I think maybe his funeral was a secret hideout that when his coffin is put in, it's bottom opens up and lets him go free. there's no way he's dead, he's just playing dead to get the high table off guard in part 5, when he can finish what he started.
I think I figured out Grace’s pattern…if the protagonist doesn’t get the happy ending, then it’s a bad ending…😂 Btw, did y’all notice how Kaine shot John in the same spots John shot the Doc in 3???🤔🤔🤔
I don't know about Grace but to me it's pretty clear that JW is not dead (the dog gave it away at the end). Knowing he survives, I bet her review would change from rotten to fresh because all those deaths did mean something after all. I can see chapter 5 being an injured JW training "Nobody" and his dog to be his successor.
Well I HATED that death scene with James Bond too! And so did just about everyone I know lol But with this one, I think it was done quite well. But ps… I honestly don’t think he’s really dead!
I thought it was very obvious: The whole point for JW is to find his freedom, not only from the table, but his real freedom (his wife / dying). JW is a character designed to die. Death was his real way out. Amazing movie, amazing ending, amazing everything.
I think Rina Sawayama (Akira) deserves way more credit. I had to Google her to see who she is assuming she would have been in other Asian productions that I never saw, but no. She's a singer! And this is her FISRT movie!! I think she did incredibly well with both her performance and stunts considering this isn't even her (primary) profession
(SPOILER) During the graveside scene, there’s a quick cut to JW’s dog who appears to spot something off-camera. If you’re familiar with film, you know this is usually a hint to somebody who you think is dead being very much alive! ;)
I think you are missing the point that Jonathan died a free man. I’m ok with him dying, but it is weird after him surviving all the movie without even bleeding.
Grace, if John Wick is truly and completely dead, I’ll eat my shoe. There’s NO way that ending was final. They were going to film JW 4 & 5 at the same time, which should automatically clue ANYONE in that there’s more story here. My theory: Winston is staging John’s “death” to stealthily move him into a position where he can take out one or more of the High Table. Or to at least get the upper hand on them without anyone realizing. And I know it’s sometimes done on tombstones, but the fact that there’s no date on John’s makes me think pretty strongly that he’s not actually buried there. Things are way too open ended for John to just die like that. It’s way too emotionally empty and too unfulfilling story-wise to be his end.
I didn't know about them filming at the same time but the tombstone and especially the shot of the dog seeing something gave it away. That was a deliberate addition.
First off, Grace finally giving Scott Adkins props just made my day..also John Wick dying though sad has that real life factor and shows that he's really human and not some unstoppable machine..also we can now focus on the spinoffs where John Wick will always be referred to as a legend..I like it...
I don’t think this deserved a rotten tomato at all. I’m so surprised you gave it a rotten tomato. I personally thought this was the best of the series and it ended just perfect. I don’t think he’s dead. This was an action movie masterpiece.
He had to die. Let's be honest, it was turning into a superhero movie where absolutely nothing could kill him and it was just destroying any stakes for the character through 4 movies. They did a great job with the action and emotion in this one, and I include John's death as part of the arc. Now they can recycle the John Wick universe with new characters and the audience will actually believe they have something to lose.
Chad Stahleski said a few years ago; that there was going to be 5 films. I will hold him to that. He also said that John will die, how on earth could John Wick have a happy ending. It’s not possible. I say all that to say this. John Wick is not dead. I didn’t take that ending as John Wick being dead. Why do you assume he is dead. That ending, that shot, the transition to his “funeral” was ambiguous at best.
It currently sits at 95% positive reviews on RT so it doesn't need a positive review from grace to be 1 of the best reviewed action movies of all time.
You seem to have a personal fan boy agenda instead of forming your own opinion, I bet you haven’t even seen it yet. Your blind loyalty is stopping you from being able to respect others opinion. I’m not saying the film is bad it may actually be the best film ever, but your disgusting pathetic stupid mindset is deplorable. You sad loser.
While I agree that parts of the movie lost track a bit compared to the last ones, I interpret the ending quite differently, maybe its my wishful imagination but, if you pay close attention to the wording on many characters on the consequences of John Wick beating the High Table, one is that he would be a "Saint" to perhaps all the hitmen that were pursuing him, they would know beating the table can be done. At the end John tells a now fully reinstated Winston to "take him home" he sits down then passes out, we really don't know if he actually dies. Then in the tombstone sequence the bowery king asks where do you think he is? Heaven or Hell? Winston hesitates slightly and replied "O don't know ". Because now that John is not only presumed dead, he is also free from the High Table, they will not see him coming for each and every one of the members of the High Table, perhaps he will recruit help from those the table has wronged through the years, maybe that's what will develop on the Continental series. Anyway that's whT I think.
I don't know how anyone who is a fan of this franchise could not love this movie. They took everything to new heights and it was a roller coaster ride from start to finish. The dragons breath shotgun was one of the coolest weapons I've ever seen. Mr. Nobody's character was lackluster and paled in comparison to Halle Berry's character and her usage of her dogs. The ending was shocking despite being foreshadowed many times. But it can also be a misdirect to ensure that his enemies think he's dead and don't hunt him down like Cane's character is dealing with in the end credits.
There are many franchise films being dragged out like the terminator, and fast & furious, except John Wick, it continues to be exciting and entertaining.
I think John cant save any of his friends in the movies throughout but during his death he save caine and his daughter and winston, king and even nobody and his dog !! And that was a beautiful ending because of all his choices
The breed of the dog is Belgian Malinoise. They are both acrobatic and also trained for combat. They are probably the best breed for the types of activities that the dogs did in the John Wick movies.
I don't think Grace fully understood the ending. John Wick chapter 5 is already green lit. The death was clearly staged, John's injuries were NOT fatal, especially not when compared to the ending of Parabellum. If John can survive a fall from the height he did then, he can certainly survive 3 wing shots from a dueling pistol. I'm 100% certain he's coming back.
I understand you wanted a happy ending. But the whole point is that for people like Wick and Caine, there is no happy ending. They told us so explicitly when the two meet in the church. P.S. This may be a cultural thing. Americans usually want an explicitly happy ending. Europeans are ok with ...
I kind of wish John struck a deal with Cain at the bottom of the stairs. Saying that the Bowery would protect his daughter and they both could go after the high table and to “end the high table, together”. If those two teamed up, it would’ve had the high table shaking.
I absolutely loved it. But I think this is a good ending. I suspect Keanu Reeves is keen to have a break from all the hardcore stunt fighting as well. He moved better in this movie and he seemed slow in the last movie. I wonder if he's injured from many decades of Matrix and John Wick movies. I'm an absolutely mega Scott Adkins fan. This and his original Boyka - undisputed movies are undoubtedly his best turns as an actor.
It's not a good ending. The whole point of John Wick 3 was to stay alive and clear his name. The ending to 4 just makes everything pointless. And now the focus is going to be on the character that killed John Wick. You serious? You want me to root for the man that killed John Wick? Get outta here with that nonsense. Terrible ending.
@@projectpat8807 I think the idea is that he's still alive. But they never show it so they can make it seem definitive. You may remember that in the first movie, it starts with John Wick slumping over from a similar gutshot wound, yet he goes on to kill about 299+ people across the first 3 movies.
@@projectpat8807I guess you could look at the films as pointless now but that would ignore all the amazing throughout. Sure John died but he dies on his own terms and with the grave he asked for. I think this perfectly ties into chapter 2 with the conversation he has with Santino’s sister
Your argument that Wick's death is pointless and "what was all this killing for" flows from a bad assumption: that any of the characters in these movies are "good" and don't deserve to die. Charon, (RIP Lance Reddick), though he was but a humble concierge, was the humble concierge of the murder hotel. Everyone he serves is killer for hire and he himself packed the heat as well. But what was the point of all this? What would have made for a satisfying ending? To defeat the High Table? To kill 'em all? Bring balance to the force? The only real victory for these people is to either get out of the assassin world themselves or to help someone else get out. Living in a world where someone could kill you with a pencil at any moment is not a good place to be. That's why so many of them want to help John, because his victory is their victory. John's death was his choice. He allowed himself to be mortally wounded to trick the Marquis into leaving himself open for the killing shot. By winning the duel, John finally escaped the assassin world. He managed to help Caine escape too, and saved Caine's innocent daughter (and another dog earlier) which allowed him the tiniest taste of redemption. It was a heroic and, for the baba yaga, a fitting death. Though he lived his life as an assassin, he died as a husband. That's the point of all this.
I honestly thought that John Wick dying at the end, as sad as I was, was the only way it could end for him. He died as soon as he became a free man and that's what he wanted. I never imagined that I would tear up watching a John Wick movie, but this one made me tear up a few times. The friendship between the assassins having to go against each other. It was an amazing movie.
As to why Charon was killed: when Winston and John were at his mausoleum, Winston said "when you kill a man, you make him a saint or a martyr. If you let a man live, you make him a traitor or a turncoat." By killing Charon, The Marquis and the High Table could make it seem as though Winston was begging for his life and offered up Charon as a penance, making him a pariah (or Ex Communicado) like John. I saw JW4 last night at my local Dolby theater and thought that was the PERFECT venue with all the action sequences. I literally heard every minute detail.
Wick dying is not the same as losing. He beat the High Table. Also, I never thought this was leading to upending the whole system. How often do we hear about rules and concequences
They talked about how John Wick is an idea in this movie. I wouldn't be surprised if John Wick 5 wasn't about the actual Keanu John Wick. but rather about his legacy or something like that.
This franchise is ultimately about a man fighting to be free. Free of the table & free of his demons. He was an orphan adopted by a criminal family. He had no real choice. His wife died of cancer. He had no choice. His dog died & he had no choice. The high table is after him. Be he valiantly fights till the end. Wins his freedom, enjoys it briefly & he dies wanting to reunite with his wife. It’s poetic. It works! He died on his terms being a free man.
I think Grace missed the point. It leaves it open ended. If keanu decides not to come back but if he does want to make another john wick the franchise will fill in the ending. Like comics where you think the hero dies but turns out as a miss direct. I do feel the movie was bloated but I enjoyed the ride and it was a wide one. I know Grace does not lightly give out rotten tomatoes maybe she spoke too soon.
I just can't believe so many of you folks have loved this movie. It's ridiculous most of the time. John gets ran over 5 times? Falls of a 3 story building? The weird comedy moments, the awful CGI, that terrible ending that undoes everything and makes it all feel a waste. This was not meant to be a "shut your brain off" franchise. Seriously, people.
He got shot 3-4 times, AND fell three stories to the street below at the end of the last movie 😂. So at least they're consistent with the ridiculousness 😂. He should have gotten gravely injured or broken bones several times in this movie. They've established that he's basically a Marvel superhero, so once you accept that 😂
@@PathOfRageBut it wasn't always like this. It was very cemented in reality. This wasn't a fast and furious movie where people survive massive damage, this was a very meticulous action franchise.
People thinking John Wick was gonna ending like The Dark Knight rises, (him alive chilling somewhere else) but it ended like Gladiator (him dying to be with his wife).
Grace, you blame John as if he died on purpose... He was fighting for his life the whole movie... It's not like he just gave up and tossed his gun aside...
The poker scene and with John doing his killings with the cards, at first, I thought it was a nod to comic books or at least to the gambit comic books and Keanu himself was going to play gambit back when singer was going to make X-men 3 before leaving for Superman returns. The ending was perfect and fitting besides your points. He’s dead and he’s resting. Perfect ending. Part 5 is really a spin off at this point if the end credit is hinting to that.
I thought it was really good. The Osaka fight scene went on a bit long, and the falling down the stairs was a bit ridiculous, but this movie flew by. Also, the Swedes all cheered when Bill got the bullet to the head here in Sweden lol
I couldn't believe you gave the film a rotten tomato, but after seeing the movie, I fully understand your choice. I believe the script played a role in not giving his death the emotion it should've. I thought I would've cried whenever John Wick would die, but when it happened, I was like, really. I couldn't believe they killed him off because this film's story did not justify him dying now.
I am with the camp of people who strongly disagree. 1-I am sure John Wick is not dead but his dead is good symbolism for the end of his journey of being tied to the High Table. 2-The story definitely moves forward, it doesn't have that much dialogue but it works just like Mad MAX Fury Road, letting us soak in the despair of the characters as they play their best chances to survive, it is a story of revenge and survival. 3-I found all the action sequences at an 11. So, I can't agree with you on this one Grace, to me the movie is perfect
I've walked up all those stairs and it is tiring. There is an electric tram to carry people up to the top also, I kept thinking to myself "take the tram, take the tram!" LOL
Most of your gripes with the film were explained in the film. The daughter's last words to John on the subway were: kill Caine or else I will. And the ending was perfect. He died a FREE MAN. What more could you ask for?
He isn’t dead 🙄🙄🙄. Grace… did you even pay attention?? The script isn’t anything special. But the choreography and cinematography were amazing. Everyone in the theater in my theater realized John wasn’t dead when his dog looked around for him. Grace is giving the film a rotten tomato because she thinks she’s above it all. Major eye roll
I loved the ending! This had to end with John dying and I hope they keep this franchise to these 4, cause it is perfect the way it is. I can't believe you say John is checked out in Osaka, when the Nunchacku sequence was the most impressive display and use of that weapon since Game of Death with Bruce Lee himself. He really showed impressive skills there, also his Judo got even better from the last films. To comment on your non spoiler review..he doesn't fight like black widow. There are no head scissors or Lucia livre moves here like they used for her... He does quite complicated Judo throws and BJJ techniques and he really did an amazing work from a martial arts standpoint. I have watched it twice so far and have to say it's the perfect ending to a perfect saga. His arc was always to die as a free man moaning his wife and he got that in the end.
@@dariuschisholm7317 you know what he is talking about, fighting techniques, not leagues (with a Comic Book movie) or this movie this or that, we get it is cool to hate marvel on the internet now, the new bandwagon, first DC, then Marvel and then the entire comic book genre.
I saw John Wick 4, and I was shocked when we saw the finale of Wick's journey. (😔) This could be my new favourite version James Bond but with Keanu Reeves.
Can we please have Hiroyuki Sanada in a role that isn't a samurai/ninja/yakuza etc? He's really an amazing actor and capable of so much more... Not that he isn't a celebrated action film star as well, he is, but it would be nice to see him in other types of roles as well
I don’t think John’s dead. Winston hid him away somewhere. With so many new characters I vision Caine and John taking down the high table in a future film. Loved this sequel especially the call back to the movie The Warriors (1979) and the radio DJ.
For this first time ever Grace, I totally agree with you. I’ve been a die hard John Wick fan since the first film, gave every movie a five star rating and loved them to death. Every point you made was exactly how I felt and I think people are completely overlooking how much of a mess this movie was.
The Osaka sequence should have had them ultimately surrender their guns and then we could have had gotten a proper swordplay sequence Instead the guns took out all of the swordsmen😩
My only complaint is Caine and Wick obviously had an agreement before the dual began. Why Caine would have delivered a fatal shot didn’t make sense. But it was time to end the series
Akiras father sacrificed himself to save his own daughter, not John Wick. Akira was her fathers concierge. Having killed the other concierge as punishment, he knew they would kill her, to punish him. Unless he was dead. This woman did not understand the plot. Got bored of the review, so not sure if she mentioned, or noticed the homage to the 1976 cult movie, the Warriors.
How could you give this film a "Rotten Tomato" score and you gave Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania a "Fresh Tomato" score? Are you watching the same movie as the rest of us Grace? I just do not understand your reasoning in your review. The movie was the best John Wick movie since the first film. I really do not understand your grading metrics sometimes since lately it seems to be geared more towards personal reference instead of trying to still be an unbias film reviewer. I just do not understand your thought process for the rating of this movie grace. Maybe you should see other video essays about this movie that are much deeper than what you are presenting such as from ScreenCrush named, "JOHN WICK 4 Ending Explained - What's Next + Post-Credits BREAKDOWN". Take a look sometime.
Grace, he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. It had to be. There was never going to be a way out. In the end, John Wick accepted his fate and did what he could so that his friend, Caine, could be with his daughter and Winston could get his life back. He had no way of knowing what was going to happen in the end credits scene and,again, Caine lived by the sword. There is no escape. For as much as the John Wick movies appear to glorify violence in the end violence begets violence and John Wick is a villain who we just happen to root for.
I think they're splitting the difference. John is dead if they don't want to continue, but it also sounds like they really haven't finished the story and I'm sure they already know how to bring him back.
John Wick 4 is Awesome!!!! They definitely need to end his story there; its like what more can he do?! They need to do spinoffs with the side characters doing assasin jobs etc. Akira, Dude with dog, etc.
Part 4 should have ended with him faking his death in order for him to get prepped on the final mission. then chapter 5 and 6 be about taking down the entire table.
what really bothered me is the instant travel thing. a second he's in morroco then japan then new york the berlin then paris and im like didn't anyone notice him in the airport like they always do?
The reason why I think the ending is perfect is because he gets to die as a free man who finally got to escape the title of John Wick and be remembered as John, Loving Husband which is all he really wanted to be. Him living as a free man would serve no purpose and if he was to get dragged back in with Chapter 5 THEN all of this would have truly felt pointless
His wife was not killed she died of an illness
She was killed…. By Illness
She was the first person we see John Wick kill. She was on life support and you see him nod to the doctor who cut off the machines.
I thought she died of Cancer
@@antoinettelopes perfect rebuttal
She was killed..by cancer..
I couldn't disagree more ... this film was ART. The story, action, music, cinematography... just PERFECT. I understand not being happy w/ the ending but where else could they take his story? John Wick has reached iconic status. Baba Yaga lives forever...
Not everyone appreciates a masterpiece of art in the same way or to the same degree, not the fault of the artist, but of the critic, for failing to see the beauty and grace of the work of art.
He’s dead.
He died for nothing.
I can understand the dissatisfaction with how it ended, but I don't agree with it. I feel like Grace's dissatisfaction boils down to "It wasn't fair that all these people sacrificed for John, only for him to die anyway."
I agree that it's not fair. It was a tragedy (in the literary sense of the word). It's like 'Romeo and Juliet', or to be a little more contemporary, like 'The Mist'. The death was senseless, and that's kind of the point. 🤷🏾♂️
Slow down, the story was not all that great, and it never was when it came to this franchise. But it achieved it’s goal, and was a stunt choreography masterpiece!
The story, what story lol, I love action movies and the action is art but there really is no real character arc that warrants what happened to Wick. The script needed a lot more work
Shocked that she gave this movie a rotten. This film was an absolute masterclass, easily the best in the franchise. This was honestly the best in theater experience since Spider-Man NWH.
Well put and truth telling. My Dolby theater was full and people were clapping when Winston called out the villain at the end for being cocky before getting shot in the head.
The fact that you thought this movie was a master class goes to show why you’re a basic member
@@kevina3673 It absolutely was, at the very least in cinematography and choreography. Different films have different goals, this one executes what it aims to, and does it to perfection. Perhaps you should try and think instead of letting others do it for you.
This movie was fantastic
@@kevina3673 the lighting, the set pieces, the coloring, stunts, the camera work, and shot selections were all done Masterfully. If this film doesn’t get nominated in cinematography categories then it’s a crying shame.
John Wick showcases why stunt directing and work deserves to be awarded not just SAGs, but the Academy Awards. It’s refreshing to see well choreographed action sequences/filmmaking that is well staged and planned and not cut up in the editing bay. I’m not just saying that because of this film, but previous John Wick films (Atomic Blonde, Mad Max Fury Road) are deserving. Similar to the SAGs, I’m sure they could find 3 films to nominate each year and stunt work isn’t just an “action film” thing. Comedies, war films, musicals, and horror films (like Malignant) would be in consideration. Sigh, when will the Academy learn.
Absolutely ! Seconded
The ending is perfect
It's always implied that despite being John Wick
He simply can't beat the high table all by himself
I recall Chad mentioned (probably when 3 was out)that John most likely won’t get the “happy ending” everyone thinks he should…
John decided he didn't want to kill another friend. He was exhasut3d by the end. That's when he chose to die despite 4 movies of trying to live. He didn't want to take another father away from his daughter
I like the irony of it... He has been fighting for his freedom for so long that when he finally gets it he can only enjoy it for a couple of minutes. And of course, as he promised in chapter 3, he enjoys it by remembering his wife. Plus it was foreshadowed that he would only find freedom in death.
Absolutely agree, perfect ending.
I agree that it could only end that way.
Caine telling Aikira he’ll
be waiting for her gave me kill bill vibes. Also when Winston and the Bowery King had the conversation at John’s grave it had a shot of John’s dog looking in a certain direction as if he smelled his master somewhere in the distance maybe I’m feeding to much into the details or maybe not we shall see 😂😂
I respectfully disagree with this review
Me too 1000%
How do you give this film a rotten tomato... like what the heck. It was perfection!!!
Yeah I just don’t understand how you can watch this movie and give it a rotten , maybe not as high of as score as other but rotten ? It makes no sense to me
@Steven E that was literally my favorite scene. All the stunt work that went into this and the beautiful cinematography was mind blowing. At this point I didn't even care if john wick was unkillable. Yeah there are several scenes where he clearly should've died but it's John Wick lol. I stopped caring for that after the 2nd one. Just didn't feel it was worthy of a rotten tomatoe. It's at 96% so clearly they did something right!
Yeah, I completely disagree with Grace's criticisms of this film.
@Aaron-zl5gq No stakes?? What film were you watching? John had to kill Killa in order to rejoin his "family" in order to qualify for the dule with de Gramont. His life and Winston's were tied to the stipulations of that dule and Killa himself wasn't exactly easy to kill. Then you had de Gramont's main henchman, Chidi who was near unstoppable and it wasn't even John that killed him. Throw in the tracker who was a wild card and could have killed John on several occasions had he wanted to.
Wick is a legend in his universe for a reason. The first film makes a big deal about him being the bogeyman and the 3 subsequent films illustrate why. These films and the character deliver on what they set out to do but to say there's no stakes is just patently untrue.
That was a badass movie.
The moment you opened with thinking they killed his wife nullified the entire review. 😂
exactly 🤣🤣🤣💯💯💯
Big mistake.
Huge mistake!! 😂
Seems like Grace didn’t even watch the first film to understand the story of who JW was and the mystery of him being the Baba Yaga!
Grace, people have been pointing out that he was shot where he had to shoot the doctor in part 3. So I think maybe his funeral was a secret hideout that when his coffin is put in, it's bottom opens up and lets him go free. there's no way he's dead, he's just playing dead to get the high table off guard in part 5, when he can finish what he started.
I think I figured out Grace’s pattern…if the protagonist doesn’t get the happy ending, then it’s a bad ending…😂
Btw, did y’all notice how Kaine shot John in the same spots John shot the Doc in 3???🤔🤔🤔
I don't have a problem with the ending story of the character, but the ending of the overall script was terrible. I agree with her.
@@MurkedStat you’re ridiculous lmfao
@@Jaycy845 Clearly are
The ending is perfect
John got free
It's what he wanted
I don't know about Grace but to me it's pretty clear that JW is not dead (the dog gave it away at the end). Knowing he survives, I bet her review would change from rotten to fresh because all those deaths did mean something after all. I can see chapter 5 being an injured JW training "Nobody" and his dog to be his successor.
i missed the post-credits. what happened there!?
I feel like Grace is having the same reaction to John Wick’s death as she did with James Bond’s death in No Time To Die.
Well I HATED that death scene with James Bond too!
And so did just about everyone I know lol
But with this one, I think it was done quite well.
But ps…
I honestly don’t think he’s really dead!
@johnrigs6540 not the ending we needed but the one we deserved
John wick 4 is way better than no time to die
@@idawg7332 the sky is blue
@@idawg7332
Lol absolutely right
- of course it is!!
John Wick 4 is one of the best action films of all time
I thought it was very obvious: The whole point for JW is to find his freedom, not only from the table, but his real freedom (his wife / dying). JW is a character designed to die. Death was his real way out.
Amazing movie, amazing ending, amazing everything.
Other movies where the hero dies in the end ; End Of Days, Schwarzenegger. Can anyone think of anymore?
I don’t think he is really dead. During the funeral The dog senses something like the dog sensed John was still alive at the end of 3
Exactly, he has survived much worse.
Perhaps it symbolizes the "Baba Yaga" is at rest...but John Wick lives on discreetly.
John wick is dead, but John the husband is alive
Hiroyuki Sanada's character died against yen's characters advice because he didn't want to risk the table killing his daughter like the concierge.
I think Rina Sawayama (Akira) deserves way more credit. I had to Google her to see who she is assuming she would have been in other Asian productions that I never saw, but no. She's a singer! And this is her FISRT movie!! I think she did incredibly well with both her performance and stunts considering this isn't even her (primary) profession
(SPOILER) During the graveside scene, there’s a quick cut to JW’s dog who appears to spot something off-camera. If you’re familiar with film, you know this is usually a hint to somebody who you think is dead being very much alive! ;)
I think you are missing the point that Jonathan died a free man. I’m ok with him dying, but it is weird after him surviving all the movie without even bleeding.
I hated it at first, because I was genuinely sad about it. I realize a few hours later that’s really a testament to how incredible these movies were.
They put so much love and care into every shot
Exactly! Thank you. I don't understand why Grace does not understand this.
This movie, its characters, its action and photography was a total blast! the ending was also perfectly wrapped up!
Akira was the “Black Widow” I have always been hoping for❤
Yeah i like her fighting style, looks like a spider when she fights, very low to the ground
U r so rigth: HER ACTION SECUENCES WAS TOP NOTCH. I WANT TO SEE MORE OF HER ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
John Wick 4 is still an action movie masterpiece.
Grace, if John Wick is truly and completely dead, I’ll eat my shoe. There’s NO way that ending was final. They were going to film JW 4 & 5 at the same time, which should automatically clue ANYONE in that there’s more story here.
My theory: Winston is staging John’s “death” to stealthily move him into a position where he can take out one or more of the High Table. Or to at least get the upper hand on them without anyone realizing.
And I know it’s sometimes done on tombstones, but the fact that there’s no date on John’s makes me think pretty strongly that he’s not actually buried there.
Things are way too open ended for John to just die like that. It’s way too emotionally empty and too unfulfilling story-wise to be his end.
I didn't know about them filming at the same time but the tombstone and especially the shot of the dog seeing something gave it away. That was a deliberate addition.
You are such rare person who doesn’t like this movie while the current RT is 95% and audiences is 96%. I am going to watch this weekend.
I've been highly anticipating John Wick 4,a great franchise, full of entertainment, and best of all Keanu Reeves.
I've already watched it twice and it's a pure cinematical masterpiece piece of art and a kiss of chef ❤️😘.My rating for this masterpiece is 1000/10.
First off, Grace finally giving Scott Adkins props just made my day..also John Wick dying though sad has that real life factor and shows that he's really human and not some unstoppable machine..also we can now focus on the spinoffs where John Wick will always be referred to as a legend..I like it...
I love the ending, and i personally think this should be referred as mystery that is he alive or dead
Dragon’s breath is in Constantine.
I don’t think this deserved a rotten tomato at all. I’m so surprised you gave it a rotten tomato. I personally thought this was the best of the series and it ended just perfect. I don’t think he’s dead. This was an action movie masterpiece.
The script foreshadows him dying the entire time
He had to die. Let's be honest, it was turning into a superhero movie where absolutely nothing could kill him and it was just destroying any stakes for the character through 4 movies. They did a great job with the action and emotion in this one, and I include John's death as part of the arc. Now they can recycle the John Wick universe with new characters and the audience will actually believe they have something to lose.
Chad Stahleski said a few years ago; that there was going to be 5 films. I will hold him to that. He also said that John will die, how on earth could John Wick have a happy ending. It’s not possible. I say all that to say this. John Wick is not dead. I didn’t take that ending as John Wick being dead. Why do you assume he is dead. That ending, that shot, the transition to his “funeral” was ambiguous at best.
It currently sits at 95% positive reviews on RT so it doesn't need a positive review from grace to be 1 of the best reviewed action movies of all time.
You seem to have a personal fan boy agenda instead of forming your own opinion, I bet you haven’t even seen it yet. Your blind loyalty is stopping you from being able to respect others opinion. I’m not saying the film is bad it may actually be the best film ever, but your disgusting pathetic stupid mindset is deplorable. You sad loser.
I’m truly shocked she gave it a rotten tomato?! 😮
I think I have never disagreed with you more on a review. This movie was absolutely amazing!
John Wick: Take me home Winston…
Winston: Of course Jonathan.
Next scene at the grave next to wife 😢
While I agree that parts of the movie lost track a bit compared to the last ones, I interpret the ending quite differently, maybe its my wishful imagination but, if you pay close attention to the wording on many characters on the consequences of John Wick beating the High Table, one is that he would be a "Saint" to perhaps all the hitmen that were pursuing him, they would know beating the table can be done. At the end John tells a now fully reinstated Winston to "take him home" he sits down then passes out, we really don't know if he actually dies. Then in the tombstone sequence the bowery king asks where do you think he is? Heaven or Hell? Winston hesitates slightly and replied "O don't know ". Because now that John is not only presumed dead, he is also free from the High Table, they will not see him coming for each and every one of the members of the High Table, perhaps he will recruit help from those the table has wronged through the years, maybe that's what will develop on the Continental series. Anyway that's whT I think.
I don't know how anyone who is a fan of this franchise could not love this movie. They took everything to new heights and it was a roller coaster ride from start to finish. The dragons breath shotgun was one of the coolest weapons I've ever seen. Mr. Nobody's character was lackluster and paled in comparison to Halle Berry's character and her usage of her dogs. The ending was shocking despite being foreshadowed many times. But it can also be a misdirect to ensure that his enemies think he's dead and don't hunt him down like Cane's character is dealing with in the end credits.
There are many franchise films being dragged out like the terminator, and fast & furious, except John Wick, it continues to be exciting and entertaining.
I mean, grace has to miss sometimes, she's only human.😂😂😂 this was my favorite, I'll love it if they leave it here.
I think John cant save any of his friends in the movies throughout but during his death he save caine and his daughter and winston, king and even nobody and his dog !! And that was a beautiful ending because of all his choices
The breed of the dog is Belgian Malinoise. They are both acrobatic and also trained for combat. They are probably the best breed for the types of activities that the dogs did in the John Wick movies.
Thank you for pointing that out. I've been saying that for the longest! Same for Sophia's dogs in Chapter 3.
@@EzeICE Its probably the same dog as in Chapter 3, don't think there's that many dog trained for this.
I don't think Grace fully understood the ending. John Wick chapter 5 is already green lit. The death was clearly staged, John's injuries were NOT fatal, especially not when compared to the ending of Parabellum. If John can survive a fall from the height he did then, he can certainly survive 3 wing shots from a dueling pistol. I'm 100% certain he's coming back.
Hard to believe Grace fell off this franchise when it reached its peak.
96% RT score with an 8.3 avg rating nearing 200 reviews and a 96% audience score. Huge massive L take for you on this one Grace 😬
I understand you wanted a happy ending.
But the whole point is that for people like Wick and Caine, there is no happy ending. They told us so explicitly when the two meet in the church.
P.S. This may be a cultural thing. Americans usually want an explicitly happy ending. Europeans are ok with ...
John wick 1- Best
John wick 2- Straight hell fire
John wick 3- Masterpiece
John wick4- Cult classic GOD Flick in the action movie catergory
Didn't his wife died of cancer (?) and the original dog was given to him by her to keep him company.
Bill Skarsgard is one of the best parts in this movie.
Absolutely
That movie was genuinely incredible. Holy crap. John’s not dead tho… I think we all know that.
and this should be a cliffhanger, and this should be the Last of John wick.
I kind of wish John struck a deal with Cain at the bottom of the stairs. Saying that the Bowery would protect his daughter and they both could go after the high table and to “end the high table, together”. If those two teamed up, it would’ve had the high table shaking.
I absolutely loved it. But I think this is a good ending. I suspect Keanu Reeves is keen to have a break from all the hardcore stunt fighting as well. He moved better in this movie and he seemed slow in the last movie. I wonder if he's injured from many decades of Matrix and John Wick movies.
I'm an absolutely mega Scott Adkins fan. This and his original Boyka - undisputed movies are undoubtedly his best turns as an actor.
It's not a good ending. The whole point of John Wick 3 was to stay alive and clear his name. The ending to 4 just makes everything pointless. And now the focus is going to be on the character that killed John Wick. You serious? You want me to root for the man that killed John Wick? Get outta here with that nonsense. Terrible ending.
@@projectpat8807 I think the idea is that he's still alive. But they never show it so they can make it seem definitive. You may remember that in the first movie, it starts with John Wick slumping over from a similar gutshot wound, yet he goes on to kill about 299+ people across the first 3 movies.
@@projectpat8807 Wick movies are over for now
@@projectpat8807I guess you could look at the films as pointless now but that would ignore all the amazing throughout. Sure John died but he dies on his own terms and with the grave he asked for. I think this perfectly ties into chapter 2 with the conversation he has with Santino’s sister
He probably doesn't end up like Burt Reynolds.
Your argument that Wick's death is pointless and "what was all this killing for" flows from a bad assumption: that any of the characters in these movies are "good" and don't deserve to die. Charon, (RIP Lance Reddick), though he was but a humble concierge, was the humble concierge of the murder hotel. Everyone he serves is killer for hire and he himself packed the heat as well.
But what was the point of all this? What would have made for a satisfying ending? To defeat the High Table? To kill 'em all? Bring balance to the force? The only real victory for these people is to either get out of the assassin world themselves or to help someone else get out. Living in a world where someone could kill you with a pencil at any moment is not a good place to be. That's why so many of them want to help John, because his victory is their victory.
John's death was his choice. He allowed himself to be mortally wounded to trick the Marquis into leaving himself open for the killing shot. By winning the duel, John finally escaped the assassin world. He managed to help Caine escape too, and saved Caine's innocent daughter (and another dog earlier) which allowed him the tiniest taste of redemption. It was a heroic and, for the baba yaga, a fitting death. Though he lived his life as an assassin, he died as a husband. That's the point of all this.
I honestly thought that John Wick dying at the end, as sad as I was, was the only way it could end for him. He died as soon as he became a free man and that's what he wanted. I never imagined that I would tear up watching a John Wick movie, but this one made me tear up a few times. The friendship between the assassins having to go against each other. It was an amazing movie.
As to why Charon was killed: when Winston and John were at his mausoleum, Winston said "when you kill a man, you make him a saint or a martyr. If you let a man live, you make him a traitor or a turncoat." By killing Charon, The Marquis and the High Table could make it seem as though Winston was begging for his life and offered up Charon as a penance, making him a pariah (or Ex Communicado) like John.
I saw JW4 last night at my local Dolby theater and thought that was the PERFECT venue with all the action sequences. I literally heard every minute detail.
Wick dying is not the same as losing. He beat the High Table. Also, I never thought this was leading to upending the whole system. How often do we hear about rules and concequences
It was a very solid movie! Just finished watching it!
It ain't out until tomorrow
@@dariuschisholm7317 in the US films start playing Thursday afternoon. I just saw it
You think so? The Osaka scene with John was too long😂
Saw it two days ago, movie never felt long at all, blast from start to finish 🎉
@@RF20Lennon dammit I hate yall for not waiting till Friday
They talked about how John Wick is an idea in this movie. I wouldn't be surprised if John Wick 5 wasn't about the actual Keanu John Wick. but rather about his legacy or something like that.
This franchise is ultimately about a man fighting to be free. Free of the table & free of his demons. He was an orphan adopted by a criminal family. He had no real choice. His wife died of cancer. He had no choice. His dog died & he had no choice. The high table is after him. Be he valiantly fights till the end. Wins his freedom, enjoys it briefly & he dies wanting to reunite with his wife. It’s poetic. It works! He died on his terms being a free man.
It's not poetic or all of those embellishment words. But the movie is not bad.
@@celphone1cellphone591 that’s not an argument
I think Grace missed the point. It leaves it open ended. If keanu decides not to come back but if he does want to make another john wick the franchise will fill in the ending. Like comics where you think the hero dies but turns out as a miss direct. I do feel the movie was bloated but I enjoyed the ride and it was a wide one. I know Grace does not lightly give out rotten tomatoes maybe she spoke too soon.
All I can say is, I work at a cemetery, we per-install stones all the time.
You would swear john wick commited suicide the way your talking. He dies from his injuries does he not
I know right?
I loved this film. Was awesome from start to finish. Action scenes were so well put together and those 3 hours flew by. Highly recommend
It seems grace is the only one in the world who doesn’t understand why John had to die.
One of the most insane movie reviews from grace yet .😂
Almost as entertaining as the movie itself .
Also best john wick yet .
Loved it .❤
Really though, it was so weird.
I just can't believe so many of you folks have loved this movie.
It's ridiculous most of the time. John gets ran over 5 times? Falls of a 3 story building?
The weird comedy moments, the awful CGI, that terrible ending that undoes everything and makes it all feel a waste.
This was not meant to be a "shut your brain off" franchise. Seriously, people.
He got shot 3-4 times, AND fell three stories to the street below at the end of the last movie 😂. So at least they're consistent with the ridiculousness 😂.
He should have gotten gravely injured or broken bones several times in this movie. They've established that he's basically a Marvel superhero, so once you accept that 😂
@@PathOfRageBut it wasn't always like this. It was very cemented in reality. This wasn't a fast and furious movie where people survive massive damage, this was a very meticulous action franchise.
People thinking John Wick was gonna ending like The Dark Knight rises, (him alive chilling somewhere else) but it ended like Gladiator (him dying to be with his wife).
Grace, you blame John as if he died on purpose... He was fighting for his life the whole movie... It's not like he just gave up and tossed his gun aside...
The poker scene and with John doing his killings with the cards, at first, I thought it was a nod to comic books or at least to the gambit comic books and Keanu himself was going to play gambit back when singer was going to make X-men 3 before leaving for Superman returns. The ending was perfect and fitting besides your points. He’s dead and he’s resting. Perfect ending. Part 5 is really a spin off at this point if the end credit is hinting to that.
Absolute thrill ride throughout! amazing film. that Paris 3rd act was fire! loved that top/down birds eye view scene!
I thought it was really good. The Osaka fight scene went on a bit long, and the falling down the stairs was a bit ridiculous, but this movie flew by. Also, the Swedes all cheered when Bill got the bullet to the head here in Sweden lol
They love the Skarsgard family there, maybe they just find it hilarious.
I couldn't believe you gave the film a rotten tomato, but after seeing the movie, I fully understand your choice. I believe the script played a role in not giving his death the emotion it should've. I thought I would've cried whenever John Wick would die, but when it happened, I was like, really. I couldn't believe they killed him off because this film's story did not justify him dying now.
Is anyone gonna acknowledge the warriors reference 😂 with the radio DJ
Maybe grace didnt understand, no one, absolutely no one in john wick circle is innocent, they are ALL assasins, no one deserved a good ending.
I am with the camp of people who strongly disagree. 1-I am sure John Wick is not dead but his dead is good symbolism for the end of his journey of being tied to the High Table. 2-The story definitely moves forward, it doesn't have that much dialogue but it works just like Mad MAX Fury Road, letting us soak in the despair of the characters as they play their best chances to survive, it is a story of revenge and survival. 3-I found all the action sequences at an 11.
So, I can't agree with you on this one Grace, to me the movie is perfect
I've walked up all those stairs and it is tiring. There is an electric tram to carry people up to the top also, I kept thinking to myself "take the tram, take the tram!" LOL
Most of your gripes with the film were explained in the film.
The daughter's last words to John on the subway were: kill Caine or else I will.
And the ending was perfect. He died a FREE MAN. What more could you ask for?
He isn’t dead 🙄🙄🙄. Grace… did you even pay attention?? The script isn’t anything special. But the choreography and cinematography were amazing. Everyone in the theater in my theater realized John wasn’t dead when his dog looked around for him. Grace is giving the film a rotten tomato because she thinks she’s above it all. Major eye roll
I loved the ending! This had to end with John dying and I hope they keep this franchise to these 4, cause it is perfect the way it is. I can't believe you say John is checked out in Osaka, when the Nunchacku sequence was the most impressive display and use of that weapon since Game of Death with Bruce Lee himself. He really showed impressive skills there, also his Judo got even better from the last films. To comment on your non spoiler review..he doesn't fight like black widow. There are no head scissors or Lucia livre moves here like they used for her... He does quite complicated Judo throws and BJJ techniques and he really did an amazing work from a martial arts standpoint.
I have watched it twice so far and have to say it's the perfect ending to a perfect saga. His arc was always to die as a free man moaning his wife and he got that in the end.
Nunchaku! not Nunchacku you crackhead!
Black widow ain't in this guy league
@@dariuschisholm7317 you know what he is talking about, fighting techniques, not leagues (with a Comic Book movie) or this movie this or that, we get it is cool to hate marvel on the internet now, the new bandwagon, first DC, then Marvel and then the entire comic book genre.
OP this movie could end another way too.
@Celphone1 Cellphone not having on marvel but I'm stating a fact get over it
I saw John Wick 4, and I was shocked when we saw the finale of Wick's journey. (😔) This could be my new favourite version James Bond but with Keanu Reeves.
I doubt he's dead
😔
Can we please have Hiroyuki Sanada in a role that isn't a samurai/ninja/yakuza etc? He's really an amazing actor and capable of so much more... Not that he isn't a celebrated action film star as well, he is, but it would be nice to see him in other types of roles as well
First thing I thought 🙂...he's the aging samurai character again...
He was the villain in rush hour 3 right?
He's becoming Asian Sean Bean. Is there a movie of late where he hasn't died?
I don’t think John’s dead. Winston hid him away somewhere. With so many new characters I vision Caine and John taking down the high table in a future film. Loved this sequel especially the call back to the movie The Warriors (1979) and the radio DJ.
For this first time ever Grace, I totally agree with you. I’ve been a die hard John Wick fan since the first film, gave every movie a five star rating and loved them to death. Every point you made was exactly how I felt and I think people are completely overlooking how much of a mess this movie was.
The Osaka thing was pointless… the guy was running an hotel and John showed and ruined it. Could of gone another route with it.
Easily my favourite John Wick film, loved everything about it. Especially the Osaka scenes!
Gotta be the best one yet!!!! Let’s gooooo
The Osaka sequence should have had them ultimately surrender their guns and then we could have had gotten a proper swordplay sequence
Instead the guns took out all of the swordsmen😩
My only complaint is Caine and Wick obviously had an agreement before the dual began. Why Caine would have delivered a fatal shot didn’t make sense. But it was time to end the series
Bill Skaarsgaard and Clancy was amazing in this film what?
Akiras father sacrificed himself to save his own daughter, not John Wick. Akira was her fathers concierge. Having killed the other concierge as punishment, he knew they would kill her, to punish him. Unless he was dead. This woman did not understand the plot. Got bored of the review, so not sure if she mentioned, or noticed the homage to the 1976 cult movie, the Warriors.
How could you give this film a "Rotten Tomato" score and you gave Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania a "Fresh Tomato" score? Are you watching the same movie as the rest of us Grace? I just do not understand your reasoning in your review. The movie was the best John Wick movie since the first film. I really do not understand your grading metrics sometimes since lately it seems to be geared more towards personal reference instead of trying to still be an unbias film reviewer. I just do not understand your thought process for the rating of this movie grace. Maybe you should see other video essays about this movie that are much deeper than what you are presenting such as from ScreenCrush named, "JOHN WICK 4 Ending Explained - What's Next + Post-Credits BREAKDOWN". Take a look sometime.
Grace, he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. It had to be. There was never going to be a way out. In the end, John Wick accepted his fate and did what he could so that his friend, Caine, could be with his daughter and Winston could get his life back. He had no way of knowing what was going to happen in the end credits scene and,again, Caine lived by the sword. There is no escape. For as much as the John Wick movies appear to glorify violence in the end violence begets violence and John Wick is a villain who we just happen to root for.
I'm a huge action-movie fan and I wanted to defend this movie, but weirdly I find myself agreeing a lot with Grace here.
I think they're splitting the difference. John is dead if they don't want to continue, but it also sounds like they really haven't finished the story and I'm sure they already know how to bring him back.
I don't think he died
I usually agree with you Grace. This is a MASTERPIECE.
John Wick 4 is Awesome!!!! They definitely need to end his story there; its like what more can he do?! They need to do spinoffs with the side characters doing assasin jobs etc. Akira, Dude with dog, etc.
Maybe they killed him so he can come back as "The Boogeyman"
Boba Yagga! lol!
Or Constantine
Part 4 should have ended with him faking his death in order for him to get prepped on the final mission. then chapter 5 and 6 be about taking down the entire table.
I think that's what happens off screen at the end.
what really bothered me is the instant travel thing. a second he's in morroco then japan then new york the berlin then paris and im like didn't anyone notice him in the airport like they always do?
The reason why I think the ending is perfect is because he gets to die as a free man who finally got to escape the title of John Wick and be remembered as John, Loving Husband which is all he really wanted to be. Him living as a free man would serve no purpose and if he was to get dragged back in with Chapter 5 THEN all of this would have truly felt pointless