COMPLETE CABLE CHAOS! - Electrician Life
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2024
- COMPLETE CABLE CHAOS!
Join Lee, Luke and Reuben as they enter the 'HOUSE OF HORRORS' previous cowboys have certainly paid a visit to this cable freak show. In Junction Box city will they ever be able to find which cables lead where... stay tuned to find out!
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⏱️Timestamps
00:00 A bit of mess coming up
00:18 Welcome to the job
01:35 Can you see anything?
02:50 Junction box madness
03:42 Head In A Hole
04:14 Clearing some space
05:24 That’s not wired right!
06:07 Cowboy Electrics
06:39 Cobweb Chaos
08:23 Fishing for cables
08:43 Artisan Cobweb Remover
09:09 Reuben muscles
09:39 Ping Pong at lunch
10:14 Checking notes
10:42 Extra Jobs
11:49 Lighting Investigation
15:41 Job Update
15:55 Hello Jordan?
16:27 So many junction boxes
17:50 Day one wrap up
18:12 Day Two
18:34 Shelf of junction boxes
19:56 Ring and a Radial
21:44 Socket fix
22:40 Sorting out the lighting
23:14 Back in the loft
24:09 Downlights check
25:18 Wrapping up
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The saying "knows enough to be dangerous" seems fitting... ⚡
I love how Lee loses at rock, paper, scissors and the result is "Reuben you're off into the cobwebs" 😂😂 He gets his own back at table tennis though... 🏓
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£100.00+ per hour to play table tennis ?
@@John-pw7et surely it is a quoted price job, relax.
@@John-pw7et your issue being what?
Nice work
I think I would have suggested a rewire 😱
1.5 flex is fine for 16A clipped direct.
Many owners of older houses appear to put £1,000s into decoration, new kitchens & new bathrooms and spend almost nothing on maintaining the electrics!
21:36 this bit is interesting to me, because by Danish regulation (which I believe is identical to the German and similar to the rest of the EU), 2.5 mm2 is max. 13 A and 4 mm2 max. 16 A. Since our 230 V groups are normally 10 A, we can get away with 1.5 mm2, but all these require the core to be single strand Higher amperage is only used for industrial installations and require much thicker cables. But we also don't do radial or ring circuits - radial became outlawed with the 1975 regulation (so you only find it in older buildings, or in renovated buildings where the electrician was too lazy to do it properly) and ring has never been used here - instead the the supply from the group breaker goes to a junction point, typically inside the mounting box for a ceiling light, and from there is split into all the different directions it need to go to reach all the various outlets and switches. Because we have 10 A groups, there are limitations to how many outlets and lamp points you can have per group, to not tempt people to overload the system, and that also mean that it depends on the size of the room how many groups you need to cover it
Love the cheeky wood comment what a legend 😂😂
Guys, don't get careless about mineral fibre dust in lofts!
Asbestos. You mean asbestos. And it's nothing to play around with. Mask up with FFP3
@@justme5384 I meant the insulating mineral wool. In earlier episodes with Cory and Jordan they mostly wore masks when rooting around in lofts.
The way Reuben goes to move the box at 2:08 and then realises it’s too heavy 😂😂
Wow, a lot of cable wires were removed. Great teamwork! Thumbs up! Cheers!
Love to know the demand on the new board when it’s finished, and the VD on the lighting circuit’s with that rat’s nest. Great video lad’s 👍⚡
Another junction box! 😉. Great job lads 👏👏👏
Great video, Highlight what you may come across and taking on board the safety aspect to check , It’s really important & exploring the different between a ring and a radial thank Lee . Great jobs guys , 📘⚡️👊
Schlep and kovaks work that is. Actually I'm not sure they'd use the tape...
Great video..houses in the future should consider in doing the electrics as we do in Italy..a lot essier
good work Lee, Luke and Reuben . with all cobwebs in the loft can see Cory hot footed off skiing
Good spot on the light feed Lee
Single phase and ring mains.
Still boggles the mind.
2 cookers, 2 car chargers and single phase 😳
Praise the Lord!! It's a miracle we're all still alive.
Max demand calculated? Incomer will be 100amp max !!!! And all that stuff
@@rogerbean393 the UK is bizarre. Single phase for houses as standard with those loads.
I'm in South Africa and three phase is at least 50% of all houses. 3 x 80A here. 4 out of 24 houses in my block are single phase.
At peak times it's easy to be over 100A total load, so single phase wouldn't work.
I have my house set up that every room has at least two phases (lights/plugs). If ever a phase goes down (yup that happens), no biggie except the borehole and garden chipper won't work.
We also don't use ring mains. They are allowed but I've never seen one except MV and HV supplies. Plug circuits max 20A under new rules. Just run more circuits.
Really good informative video - thanks.
Great video 😎
i watch these videos as much to see peoples houses as I do to see the electrical work ;) ...those loft cables were hilarious. Old Post Office?
Glad you like them!
Great informative video as usual from Artisan, its what I've come to expect! Loved the spaghetti junctions everywhere 🤣
Glad you enjoyed it
As an adult learner I can pick up things easier listening to Lee as he seems to take time and is really thorough. Love to all the team obviously but Lee is clear boss man for me!
Lee is a great member of the team!
I got the bit of where you got the wood from the previous job 😂. I bet that house is still standing. So many rubbish comments on that one. Been building all my life and you havnt compromised the building at all!
Well, that’s a wired 😏 thumbnail 😁
Nice work.
First rate analysis, Luke 👍
That looks like a huge job...and I thought the wiring my landlord here did was bad...this was something else! Looks like Lee cut through most of it though, would love to see the finished product!
Cory has more holidays than Judith Chalmers 😁
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same colour as her aswell 😂
Great video guys. Someone tell Jordan to supply these guys with filter masks!
I am loving the duct tape cable supports! That is a seriously crappy install in what looks like a really nice place. Thanks for delivering on the request for crappy installs and fault finding videos!
The whole house screams DIY
I absolutely love Fusebox boards, I was a convert after Tom Nagy introduced them to me, especially now you can get the mini RCBO's too, so much space to work in the boards and really well constructed. Best boards on the market currently.
Same price as a BG split load for an RCBO board. Unbeatable
I fitted one today and I can honestly say I was a little disappointed, the din rail was a little flimsy and the screws holding it back were cross threaded quality of RCBO’s and mcb’s also felt a little cheap. The only redeeming factor for me was the space you had to fold and hide the cables neatly. A very disappointing 6/10 from me.
@@YGee3Mx that's because they are cheap; 🤣👍 only crossthreaded one with too many uuga doodgas
@@user-wk7wv8rn8h whaaa.? Where you buying your BG split loads from? Where ever it is, don’t go back..! 😂
@@bellas_switch_adapted_toys add an SPD on ?
Really enjoyed this one. Bought a 1910 era house a few years ago and most of the electrics looked like this after decades of bodge jobs and extensions.
Electrical standards have definitely changed!
Awesome comedy wiring.
another awesome Vid but did you not feel like pulling all the wires out and starting from scratch i know i did and im not even a sparky
A beautiful home with absolute sh@t show electrics. This house raised the word "bodge" to a new level. Glad you lads are on the job to make things right.
Looks like it was an old post office at some point its been retasked as ahome
Isn’t 1.5mm flex is good for 16amp.Unless there is a d rating I missed?
Yes but had been taken from 2.5 feed so regs say needs to be same 2.5.
@@rodd8170 thanks for the reply. What regulation is this so I can make a point of reading it thanks. I’m still in training. I remember reading about cable size has to be equal or greater than protective device so I thought it would be okay.
Great Video Guys'
What a mess . Glad to see your clean up. Good question in the cardboard classroom. maybe in the next video .Lee could elaborate on the Why question . with regard to wire size ,load and theory comparing radail and ring, Does ring circuiting lead to double the amount of conductors at the consumer unit as regards hots neutrals and grounds..
Cory is Skying? Is he in Beijing. on the downhill. GO CORY!!!!!!!!
Hi hope you don't mind me saying this. The 1.5mm flex is feeding what appears to be a switched fused spur. To my knowledge the biggest plug top fuse that a switched fused spur can accommodate is 13amps, meaning the maximum current that can be drawn through the flex is 13amps. The 1.5mm flex according to table 4F3A is rated at 16amps, meaning the current carrying capacity of the flex is adequate and therefore is not dangerous as the lad stated.
I'd still want to take it out. For biting down on the flex properly, I don't like the idea of a flex and a solid core in the same terminals on the supply side of the previous fused connection unit.
@@rossthompson1635 the question is whether it's unsafe, as Lee says it is. Presumably he could test at the boiler as part of the EICR and that would reveal if the flex is terminated well. I see your point, but it's not against regs to have flex and solid core together, and if it passed testing, it's obviously been done well.
@@tobysherring1369 Yes, fair point - it probably is safe, just unexpected or unconventional perhaps, not something most people would do - using flex rather than solid core in that application. I'm not an electrician, but I imagine with EICRs there must be many dilemmas raised by work that falls in to the "unconventional but probably safe" category.
@@rossthompson1635 yes, discretion is allowed but the test meter is an extremely accurate scientific way of deciding if something's unsafe. A resistance test would deal with your concern about stranded+solid terminated together.
@@tobysherring1369 The test meter results are very good evidence but surely it is as important to be satisfied with the visual check too - and that I imagine is where it gets "grey".
Jordan - saw you this morning at the A10 car wash near Ely on the way into the office, how good are they?
One more thing, if you were doing a rewire now, would you go radial or ring?
Or did it just depend on the individual circumstances?
Thanks
looks like my house, got 7 sockets downstairs and 8 upstairs, but one socket downstairs is on the garage loop and two others are spurs from upstairs
and the outside light is spured from a spur from somewhere else
but without ripping ever floorboard out upstairs i've just left it alone as i know it's dodgy af
We have Cory's Classroom
And now we get
Lessons with Lee
Stealing that! 😂
6:15 That looks more like gaffa tape than duck tape to me.
Looks like what that place needs is more junction boxes.
1.5 flex supplying a fused connection unit? What's wrong with that? You say it's not safe, but the flex is rated at 16A, and even if the FCU has a 13A fuse the flex is rated higher than the fuse protecting it. Not doing it your way doesn't make it unsafe.
Its down to what regs say is correct.
@@rodd8170 which in this case, they do.
@@tobysherring1369 is 1.5 enclosed in a box really fit for 16A long term? I know it’s used for extension cables at 16, but if 1.5 was enough for it why would everybody use 2.5 for regular 16A fused spurs & radials?
Granted that a 10 cm piece of cable is practically irrelevant even if it was well overloaded, mind you, not long enough to add up to significant resistance and therefore won’t be able to overheat much.
(In my country basic flex in a fixed installation isn’t allowed altogether, so there’s that.)
@@JasperJanssen It's limited to 13A in this case, and it's very short. We don't have 16A FCUs here! I would use 2.5mm2 for anything more than, say, a metre, supplying a FCU. But it's simply not a problem, just an excuse to charge more and exaggerate how bad it is. A long list of faults corrected justifies massive bill.
25:23 Are you stopping by Stafford on your way home?
Holy macaroni, what a job, good job :)
More like Spaghetti 🍝 😅
Re wire or walk away for me, thats a fucking mess.
Quick poll..
How many times was junction box said?
Interesting about the radials. Were they not outed a decade or more ago? Really enjoyable stuff Cheers.
Love a radial me; rings always end up split with 40a running on one side 🤣
In Finland you need 4 mm² for 20 A. 2.5 mm² is good only for 16 A.For 32 you would need 10 mm². Of course here 16 A is the max for sockets.
Can you do a video of how house electrical standards have changed over the last 30 or 40 years maybe an increments of five years.
We'll add it to the list. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@artisanelectrics great I look forward to it.
Hi, Thanks for another great vid. Everyone mentions Luke and Rhuben. What ever happened to poor little Oscar?
its funny because id go in that loft no issue, spiders arent scary to me, if there was one wasp in the area though id be sat in the van
1.5 flex from feed of immersion to adjacent spur for boiler isn't an issue if you look at the amp rating of flexible cable and what the boiler is going to be pulling because it's fused appropriately downstream. It's just one of those things that you're allowed to do and isn't really even a C3. It was nice seeing the customers own work before and what you left him with after though, real advertisement why people should leave it to those that are qualified.
Exactly the comment I was going to make.
Didn't Lee say it was coming off the supply side rather than the load, so not fused at all. You're right that the boiler will be pulling sod all though
I think Lee was just letting the viewers know you cant get away with anything a bit suspect as he will sniff it out and C3 it.
@@havoctrousers Efixx (great resource) has done more than one piece on it. Doesn't matter that it's on the supply side. Just think about it logically, it's less than 150mm run while a 16 amp circuit's double pole switch to immersion heater is normally a meter of 1.5mm flex.
What is the load on the immersion, what's the load on the boiler setup (system boilers are fused at 5 amp in the SFCU while the internal fuses are normally 2 amp on the boiler. The 5 amp fuse effectively protects the flex upstream of it by preventing overloading.
@@effervescence5664 The boiler SFCU can't draw more than 13A, so 1.5mm2 is plenty big enough, and it should be a 16A radial anyway. You can wire a whole house in flex if you want to, as long as it's the right size.
22:03 1.5mm is ok for a 16A breaker becasue its not in an isulated wall
enclosed in trunking in a non insulated wall it can carry 16.5A
clipped direct it can carry 20A
Do the live connections on the ring system connect to the same breaker/mcb.
Yes
They should yes but not in the garage on this house
@@haldo691 Martin was referring to a ring system ,was the garage circuit in the garage a radial circuit
@@joe2395 no it was a ring fed by two mcbs which is very dangerous so the lads replaced it
I didn’t think you could run inside cavity walls? Is it because it’s armoured that it’s ok? On the video it looks like the cable is run up inside the cavity and then back down to the cu.
Great video as always though.
You just have to be careful around some types of insulation as it may react with the cable amoured usually ok
Those 32A ring circuits seem a litle dodgy to me as a fin. All it takes is one dumb person to make it just two radials and burn you house down with some space heaters
every other episode, corey is on holiday...? good that we have Lee to keep the shop open!
More spaghetti than an Italian restaurant. Wow. In Aus the cobwebs would be full of huntsmen, red back and white tail spiders.
😂😂😂
Talking about downlights, can anyone point me in the direction of some decent IP65 class 2 fixed downlights?
Oh my word, that all looks so familiar! Anybody who's been around houses for any length of time will recognise this vid........ A lot of that is a common sight in houses that have "evolved" over the years. The gaffer tape support for the heating wiring is novel though! Whilst not "ideal", didn't see anything wrong in the controller hanging off the 1.5 flex extension... The controller will never draw anything likely to compromise the cable.... It's not like there's a double socket at the end of it......
In a bigger picture, here lies the paradox for good pro's...... how much of their work comes from jobs like this? People can complain and point the finger as much as they want, but imagine a perfect world where every job is perfect and the remedial work dries up to nothing. One can live in an Ivory Tower if you like, but it's not the real world.
The good pro's will get the work and the money, one way or another. The real bandits are those posing as pro's, charging pro money and still leaving stuff like that.
The only losers are the poor punters.
Spot on and agree with the flex, it was fused as well although fully understand why he changed it just much nicer to keep it all one rating.
@@HATCHETHAS I understand he didn't like the 1.5 flex, but to call it unsafe is simply not true. Why would you keep it all one rating? He will have charged for this totally unnecessary job.
@@tobysherring1369 Did he say it was unsafe? It was more about maintaining the 2.5 through the circuit I thought and as they had a raft of work to do I doubt it added to any cost.
@@HATCHETHAS yes, he said exactly that. I don't have a problem with changing it if that's what he wants to do...but it's not unsafe, and since the flex is able to carry the maximum load, it's unnecessary to upgrade to 2.5mm2 throughout. I've had my fair share of car repairers, electricians, etc try and tell me things are unsafe just to make money, including a recent EICR. They're surprised when I quote regs back at them and a second opinion with test results proves they're wrong.
Cory goes on holiday and leaves his son to do the work. poor Reuben!
That looks like a nightmare job bruv
That's what apprentices are for, I don't fit so the apprentice can 😁
I would love to be a fly on the wall if the house owner ever watches this video and sees the extent of everything that was badly done
probably did it all himself thats why hes camera shy!
10:40 So I have to ask a silly question. Normally here in the US, when we replace / upgrade load center panels (CU) we normally go with a "go to / preferred" brand that is used for 99.9% of all work. I am surprised that you guys change different mfgrs of CUs all the time pretty much from job to job. I would think you would use a particular board and have plenty of stock of that, from CU's to breakers etc. That way you don't have to order one or two things all the time. Just seems a bit strange to me over here.
All down to price of the panels, load requirements, where the panel being installed single or three phase , plus size of the panels , in years gone by they were stuffed into small spaces usually under the stairway and sometimes even with a rewire you have to match keep them in the same place because of the incoming services .
Is that a house why is there a bell
"Junction boxes with multiple cables coming out." Yes, that's called a junction. I know 30's a bit excessive, but junction boxes are not in themselves against the regs. There's no limit on the number you can use, as long as they're accessible, the correct current rating, no exposed single insulation, etc. If the circuits were tested in the EICR and failed, you replaced them; if they got good readings and passed a visual inspection, they are fine.
Think he’s referring to the fact they’ve just used the boxes instead of doing the job properly
@@thedeadlymckenna if you want to add something to a circuit, a junction box is 'proper'. How else can you make a junction? As long as you don't break a ring final, or spur off a spur on a ring final, etc, and install them properly, they're no better or worse than stuffing cables into ceiling roses or back boxes. The regs allow them. Are you suggesting you run a new cable rather than join two pieces together, and never add a socket or light to an existing circuit?
My lord 😢
Also at the beginning of a video brief shot house and discretion of it would make easier to follow the story
Mate. One day spagetti cables save my life. Top of ladder catch cables and stop when ladder start to slide on side with me on top.
So they spagetti is not that but, specially with good tomato sauce.
Considering the fact that all cables in Britain seems to be run without any proper conduits, how do you avoid mice and/or rats from damaging the cables?
I’ve never seen an eicr video where those kind of problems are addressed, or are British houses just to cold for mice to wanna live in?
I guess i’ve been spoiled by the fact that all hidden cables in Sweden are in conduit, quite nice to rewire a house in a single day with two electricians on site.
Mice just eat the cables up; though rodents aren't that common here.
They love our older twin and earth which had fish oil in.
Also mice would eat through plastic conduit dead easily and metal is just too expensive here.
@@kirkhamandy I’m from Britain , can confirm my cables do run through this guys attic 😂
@@kirkhamandy class
I only stopped by to see a bit of Lee's woodworking skills 😉 ... but instead got to see his culinary skills with all that Spaghetti Junction 😅.
You've got some quality installs up your way. Who'd have thought Cambridge was the true Wild West of the UK and so full of Cowboy tradesmen given all we're seeing on your content of late, both old and new properties alike 🤔.
Shocking...⚡⚡⚡🤪
Coollllll
Old post office? Marley floor tiles at 11:33?....I'd stay well clear of that asbestos ridden dump.
Why on earth don’t you install a proper hager fusebox? Like a volta or a ZB Series distribution board? Maybe I should send you a proper hager catalogue…
You going to pay for it aswell?
@@user-wk7wv8rn8h cheaper than the labour needed for the install shown!
Compare your quote for a hager board to a fusebox board; hager would cost more with the SPD and no RCBOs, than a fusebox board fully loaded with RCBOs.
I'm sure a domestic customer doesn't mind as their board will last the 30/40/50 years until it gets changed again
@@user-wk7wv8rn8h I really cannot see a modern board lasting even 20 years with the current rate of change in the regs and the fact that electricians seem to want to change them as a first resort! Thank you IET for supporting the manufacturers!
@@JC-jv5xw AFDD next year 🤣
Luckily most homeowners have the attitude if it works its fine 🙂
who the hell does wiring like that in a lovely house like that ?
Put your dust masks on when in loft spaces lads
If I were you guys working in those dusty fibrous attic spaces from time to time, wear a good dust- respirator mask as in 20-30 yrs time you’ll notice the breathing difference and hopefully not find out you’ve been exposed to something nasty. That dust has glass fibres, rodent droppings dust, treated wood fibres, cement dust etc etc etc. Please wear masks, regardless how uncomfortable! You can get battery forced air fed units that are more comfortable to work with and get lots of clean breathing air
I’m a young electrician only being doing it a couple of years , thank you for the Advice !
A right DIY ers mess
Of all the times for Rubin to show up. The most wrong moment.
A lot of high pitched screaming just for a few cobwebs. Really! Great job though.
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Hi Guys
Good evening Darren!
Would it not been easier to re-wire the whole house? Obviously that’s depending on the customer and what the want…. The house looks rather bad though
LEE ON THE PHONE ASKING FOR A RAISE.. lol if u ain’t making 50k change job
In regards to the fused connection
ruclips.net/video/BAtCAAUpXsg/видео.html this is from efixx
MOUSE?DON'T YOU HAVE MOUSES IN ENGLAND?WHEN I SEE THAT CABLES,I'M SCARED
No self respecting mouse would venture amongst that cable spaghetti
It's weird this look kinda alright but kinda white at the same time
I like to see other people's dodgy wiring
Wow that was some really dodgy work you uncovered.
Would any money pay you ffs
Blondy-locks,,,,, it's a Consumer Unit,,,,Fuse Boards Don't Trip if there's a L-E/N-E cross, I know you're not daft cause you're left handed but stop talking like an apprentice
Please stop adding the text after every comment, it's bloody annoying.
Drop the masks 🙄
Here we go more grown ups crying over people wearing masks boo hoo 😢😢😭😭😭
It is just a professional company showing respect for a customer and their personal space. I assume you do not?
@@JC-jv5xw Exactly ! Its insane how many people get so mad and offended by them wearing masks
If the client requests masks, you wear masks.
In my house you will wear a mask or you don't get the work.
@@the_real_hislordship that’s perfectly fair as well , no on should dislike that if they care ahout their clients