Hey nurk! Saw you at drl today but didn't have much time to talk about everything I wanted. One thing I do want to mention though is something called gravgrip. It's a hydraulic powered camera leveler and is meant to be used in combination with an EIS. What's interesting about it is that it doesn't use any motors/batteries. It only weighs 70 grams and makes sense for use with something like an action camera, but it will not lift a bigger cine cam like the one in your video. I think it would be interesting if you tested it out though and compared it to something like a hand held traditional motor gimbal and can replace putting a mavic on your quad xD
That's actually a really good idea to have the second person control the gimbal. Hmm gives me an idea, you could have your kid be a co-pilot, like 3d print an r2d2 character that rides along and can swivel so they have their own remote and goggles to view what the character sees.
Its really not a new idea, was kind of standard when major cinema drone pilots were home building octocopters they would use a secondary gimbal operator
Thanks Nurk! I love watching your videos, it is really cool to see your R&D with fpv drones for professional filming, you rip the drone around the trees like it was a 5" XD.
This is awesome, really a great idea. Makes me wonder though, can you use a non-proprietary, smaller/lighter gyro instead of the gopro? Since you're not using the camera for the footage and only the gyro data, could really save a ton of weight, especially if you can power it from a 5v lead. If that's even a thing, I don't know, just speculating - but I can think of at least a few use-cases where this would be beneficial outside of this use-case. Also, good to see you Winston! Cheers 🍻
Funnily enough, I've been doing this on a much budget way. Just been strapping the gopro 9 I already had on the cold shoe of my Canon M50, and using your previous tutorial for Gyroflow, I've been getting some awesome results....as long as I shot in 1080. The second I tried 4k, the crop in factor of the Canon made Gyroflow go nuts
@@NURKFPV oh man, I didn't think of that....I just thought it would be like a zoomed in version, didn't take into consideration calibrating lens again. Well now I got something to try this weekend. Thanks!
Experience with Stabilized Remote Heads in general and the larger R2 specifically, leads to belief that the RS2 is hitting hard stops at the extremes of its left/ right sway. Suggest stiffening the vibration isolator at the base to feather those stops. (Over-slung head requires more vibration isolator stiffening than under, due to weight of rig added at pendulum extremes instead of subtracted.). Common cheat to stiffen is to stuff foam in the gap if there is one. Worth a try, By addressing the basic mechanical issue first, you may be able to reduce the work needed by the digital stabilizing. That may allow even better results from a purer image. My humble 2 cents.
From my experience, warp stab always fail when we enter a tight gap. It seems like the algorithm is confused where to stabilize, and the footage will look like they zoom in and out like crazy
Find an 8th scale rear shock absorber for a Baja rabaha 5B length in the shaft as needed change the fluid and the metering methods message and you'll be set
Thanks for the great vid Nurk! So many helpful insights. What do you think about using an FX3 on a gimbaled FPV setup. Do you think IBIS would be a problem? It would be lighter and a great combo with DJI transmission too!
Impressive. Nurk, would you get any benefit if you de-warped the plates first, before running them through GF? If you knew the crop % from GF, you should be able to re-apply the lens distortion from a cropped grid.
Once processing the footage through Gyro flow, you should take the footage into Davinci resolve and apply translation stabilization. Doing that will give you such a perfectly smooth video it’s not even funny. I’ve done this before with incredible results!
Hey Nurk really sweet build you got there. I understoot that you are useing the 2nd airunit because of the high latency of Other methods. The Problem with that is you loose the ability for Winston to change camera settings during flight without takeing of the goggles. Do you know the latency of the hdmi output of your recording camera? Maybe this is an oppotunity for the more community oriented Digital fpv Systems hdzero and walksnail to give us an hdmi in vtx!? What do you think?
this is a bit random but I'm getting into fpv and I'm wondering if I bought a Emax Tinyhawk III RTF Kit would I be able use the radio and goggles with a IFlight Nazgul5 V2 Analog BNF/PNP Quad?
nurk, what build is this cine-lifter? I am looking into building my first one and would love some recommendations. I am planning on flying Komodo-x/fx6 and other similar sized cine cameras.
Can someone please do a stellar frameconcept for the insta 360, 360 1 inch camera with good landing protection? So we can be the Nurk on Set and the Winston in Post for the RUclips/ istagram footage we do. ;-)
You’ve gotta try the MoVi M5! Much better performance than the Ronin, and about the same size! I have tried every gimbal from DJI and keep going back to the M5.
@@NURKFPV Try a few hundred and see if it gets even more locked. We've been having a bunch of luck even on gopro footage running hundreds of sync points and turning off the low pass filter
I wonder how much of those jitters is to blame on the moneyshot its not the smoothest flying beast, I have a similar 12s 10inch rig and can properly send it and don't get any of those jitters on my rs2 komodo rig! Not convinced that the gimble is the thing at fault until you get up to around 100kmph, I think much of your wobbles your'e experiencing could be tuned out with the drone. then ontop of that you need to get the tilta brace mount plate to stiffen up the gimble massively.
I think the tilta brace is the biggest key here. Drone actually flies awesome with it on there.. but most of the rigidity issues are with the gimbal. I actually filmed this video 6 months back. Have learned a lot since, but I still liked the concept of the combo
@@NURKFPV ah that makes sense, yea fair one, 6 months in fpv time is like 20 years in normal industry development speed haha things moving so fast right now in cinelifter space
No good, by extending the camera so far from the center of the drone. You have( for all intents and purposes) Built a load arm. Which means for every little angular change the drone goes through, the camera goes through much larger angular changes. And you add the mass, and you have created a stabilizer eating machine. Can you redesign the drone so that the camera is located between two of the propeller systems ? Because right now, you're working against physics, and it will only get worse as the vibrations will shake the stabilizer equipment apart.
That's an interesting concept, to have a set of props above and below the camera. I feel like the issue tho would be the top props being visible in frame as the drone tilts forward to gain speed.
If i could creat that machine, I would make one to stand on and fly away......Im waiting for you to create a drone to levitate with human cargo on board....im thinking you do , but the world aint ready yet
Hey nurk!
Saw you at drl today but didn't have much time to talk about everything I wanted. One thing I do want to mention though is something called gravgrip. It's a hydraulic powered camera leveler and is meant to be used in combination with an EIS. What's interesting about it is that it doesn't use any motors/batteries. It only weighs 70 grams and makes sense for use with something like an action camera, but it will not lift a bigger cine cam like the one in your video. I think it would be interesting if you tested it out though and compared it to something like a hand held traditional motor gimbal and can replace putting a mavic on your quad xD
Thanks Nurk and Winston!
A 2nd operator just for the gimbal is mindblowing to me, I don't know much about the cinematic-side of fpv but damn what a cool idea!
I'm impressed gyroflow held up. I haven't seen it do well I scenarios of subtlety or with vibrations.
That's actually a really good idea to have the second person control the gimbal. Hmm gives me an idea, you could have your kid be a co-pilot, like 3d print an r2d2 character that rides along and can swivel so they have their own remote and goggles to view what the character sees.
that's basically what we have minus the R2D2!
Its really not a new idea, was kind of standard when major cinema drone pilots were home building octocopters they would use a secondary gimbal operator
Im curious why 2nd focus pullers are not more common..
@@NURKFPV hello nurk, Wich 🎮 are you using? What you think about the DJI 🎮? Thanks nurk
Thanks Nurk! I love watching your videos, it is really cool to see your R&D with fpv drones for professional filming, you rip the drone around the trees like it was a 5" XD.
This is awesome, really a great idea. Makes me wonder though, can you use a non-proprietary, smaller/lighter gyro instead of the gopro? Since you're not using the camera for the footage and only the gyro data, could really save a ton of weight, especially if you can power it from a 5v lead. If that's even a thing, I don't know, just speculating - but I can think of at least a few use-cases where this would be beneficial outside of this use-case.
Also, good to see you Winston! Cheers 🍻
Funnily enough, I've been doing this on a much budget way. Just been strapping the gopro 9 I already had on the cold shoe of my Canon M50, and using your previous tutorial for Gyroflow, I've been getting some awesome results....as long as I shot in 1080. The second I tried 4k, the crop in factor of the Canon made Gyroflow go nuts
you probably need to do another lens calibration for the 4k
@@NURKFPV oh man, I didn't think of that....I just thought it would be like a zoomed in version, didn't take into consideration calibrating lens again. Well now I got something to try this weekend. Thanks!
@@JooorgeMT Don’t forget that the 4K has a lot more rolling shutter then the 1080p on the m50. So your results may vary depending on what your doing
@@ezrarichardson279 that's true as well. Thanks for the tips!
Extra points for the music selection.
The image looks shaprer with gyroflow vs warp or raw. Does gyroflow do motion blur removal?
Would love to see this rig in the field and a really sick shoot
I have been searching around for some subjects to get some shots
Experience with Stabilized Remote Heads in general and the larger R2 specifically, leads to belief that the RS2 is hitting hard stops at the extremes of its left/ right sway. Suggest stiffening the vibration isolator at the base to feather those stops. (Over-slung head requires more vibration isolator stiffening than under, due to weight of rig added at pendulum extremes instead of subtracted.). Common cheat to stiffen is to stuff foam in the gap if there is one. Worth a try,
By addressing the basic mechanical issue first, you may be able to reduce the work needed by the digital stabilizing. That may allow even better results from a purer image. My humble 2 cents.
From my experience, warp stab always fail when we enter a tight gap. It seems like the algorithm is confused where to stabilize, and the footage will look like they zoom in and out like crazy
Happy freakin Wednesday 😊
woo hoo!
Chris Rosser would HATE that mount!! 🤣🤣
@NURKFPV This is spam, right?
Find an 8th scale rear shock absorber for a Baja rabaha 5B length in the shaft as needed change the fluid and the metering methods message and you'll be set
Thanks for the great vid Nurk! So many helpful insights. What do you think about using an FX3 on a gimbaled FPV setup. Do you think IBIS would be a problem? It would be lighter and a great combo with DJI transmission too!
DAMN I love my Red Demons! Look great on your build as well!!!
Woot! Love Nurk content. Was just listening to the podcast!
@Shawn England what podcast? A new one or a older one?
@@vtowndegekste older. Recently discovered so catching up still
I want to do more of them! It's just such a time committment!
Impressive to see even without the gyro all the weight make super stable. Keep up those video!
Impressive. Nurk, would you get any benefit if you de-warped the plates first, before running them through GF? If you knew the crop % from GF, you should be able to re-apply the lens distortion from a cropped grid.
Once processing the footage through Gyro flow, you should take the footage into Davinci resolve and apply translation stabilization. Doing that will give you such a perfectly smooth video it’s not even funny. I’ve done this before with incredible results!
I tried translation stabi, after using GF but in my case it make things worse.
Good job... Sweet Rig! Catch you on the next one...
U do know about the Tilta bracket that keeps the rs2 to the drone top plate, right.?
It didn't exist when we filmed this
Really cool! Honestly the footage looks great with just warp :)
Hey Nurk really sweet build you got there. I understoot that you are useing the 2nd airunit because of the high latency of Other methods. The Problem with that is you loose the ability for Winston to change camera settings during flight without takeing of the goggles. Do you know the latency of the hdmi output of your recording camera? Maybe this is an oppotunity for the more community oriented Digital fpv Systems hdzero and walksnail to give us an hdmi in vtx!? What do you think?
Or hdmi to mipi adapter
this is a bit random but I'm getting into fpv and I'm wondering if I bought a Emax Tinyhawk III RTF Kit would I be able use the radio and goggles with a IFlight Nazgul5 V2 Analog BNF/PNP Quad?
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Hi dude, that is awesome
nurk, what build is this cine-lifter? I am looking into building my first one and would love some recommendations. I am planning on flying Komodo-x/fx6 and other similar sized cine cameras.
This is a catalyst Machineworks money shot mini v2
What if it needed to be BRAW / R3D?_? =P
Greta stuff as usual!! Do you use the 180 degree shutter here … or higher shutter for gyroflow?
180
Great video
Can someone please do a stellar frameconcept for the insta 360, 360 1 inch camera with good landing protection? So we can be the Nurk on Set and the Winston in Post for the RUclips/ istagram footage we do. ;-)
You’ve gotta try the MoVi M5! Much better performance than the Ronin, and about the same size! I have tried every gimbal from DJI and keep going back to the M5.
How many autosync points are you using?
typically 2
@@NURKFPV Try a few hundred and see if it gets even more locked. We've been having a bunch of luck even on gopro footage running hundreds of sync points and turning off the low pass filter
you using incorrect mount. Buy Tilta ronin mount instead it comes with support braket which will reduce the gimbal shakness from the bottom
Great suggestion!
So just gyroflow is not enough? Is there a video about that?
you definitely can't get the two operator look with just gyroflow.
Winston 's the maaan
Great video Buddy! I want one! LOL XD
I want MORE
What is this drone model?
Nurk someone os using your name for SCAM
Suspend it, the tension will fix the issue and also help reduce the shock from the vibrations
a little wierd on the focus but super cool
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Winston's camera looks better to me. Than the one your flying.
I wonder how much of those jitters is to blame on the moneyshot its not the smoothest flying beast, I have a similar 12s 10inch rig and can properly send it and don't get any of those jitters on my rs2 komodo rig! Not convinced that the gimble is the thing at fault until you get up to around 100kmph, I think much of your wobbles your'e experiencing could be tuned out with the drone. then ontop of that you need to get the tilta brace mount plate to stiffen up the gimble massively.
I think the tilta brace is the biggest key here. Drone actually flies awesome with it on there.. but most of the rigidity issues are with the gimbal. I actually filmed this video 6 months back. Have learned a lot since, but I still liked the concept of the combo
@@NURKFPV ah that makes sense, yea fair one, 6 months in fpv time is like 20 years in normal industry development speed haha things moving so fast right now in cinelifter space
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No good, by extending the camera so far from the center of the drone.
You have( for all intents and purposes)
Built a load arm. Which means for every little angular change the drone goes through, the camera goes through much larger angular changes. And you add the mass, and you have created a stabilizer eating machine.
Can you redesign the drone so that the camera is located between two of the propeller systems ? Because right now, you're working against physics, and it will only get worse as the vibrations will shake the stabilizer equipment apart.
That's an interesting concept, to have a set of props above and below the camera. I feel like the issue tho would be the top props being visible in frame as the drone tilts forward to gain speed.
If i could creat that machine, I would make one to stand on and fly away......Im waiting for you to create a drone to levitate with human cargo on board....im thinking you do , but the world aint ready yet
My gopro 6 is better
That's a badass gopro 6