"Bell" is a completely different maneuver. This is essentially a vertical climb, braking and sliding backwards on the tail. It was Anatoly Kvochur (RIP) who first showed this maneuver to the public on a MiG-29 in 1988 in Farnborough.
Just took my 12 year old nephew to see this with me today and he was like ‘wow’ during this entire sequence. Took me back to being a kid and was so happy to share it with him.
@@АлександрКилочек-г5ш while i like my sukhois you spitting some chinese shit, the air to air missile they use are barely equivilent and the next gen aircraft the americans are fielding will pose a serious challenge to lock up even for the 57's sensor suite.
@@АлексейПопов-я3д Interesting, as the RUclips video is called "MAKS 2019 ✈ Sergey Bogdan Steals the Show with the Su-57 - HD 50fps" and the description for the video is very detailed and also states the Su-57 pilot was Сергей Богдан. Are you definately referring to MAKS 2019, or perhaps MAKS 2021 as I cannot see the pilot name for the Su-57 for that year.
This movie knows what the audience is here for: Tom Cruise flying, Tom Cruise on a motorcycle, Tom Cruise doing yet another batshit crazy stunt in the name of entertainment. And I love it.
I like how the Americans always REFUSE at every air show to have a friendly demonstration battle against Russian aircraft with Russian pilots. They are afraid of disgrace to the whole world.
@@AkiraSeki probably you already know but Belkan technology is the awnser for everything with high levels of technology in aircraft, Belka is a nation in Strangereal from the Ace Combat series, if you see Belkan Witchcraft it basicly means the same shit but just more unrealistic like piloting backwards
The little details in movies like this make the big ones all the more amazing. Like the jet cutting through the smoke cloud of the missile while performing this maneuver. It’s just so well done.
The laws of physics do not allow this maneuver to be possible, the lift and thrust in play should simply cause the plane to pull up and maybe enter an uncontrollable flat spin The Su-57 does not care and makes its own laws of physics
My reaction was the same in the theater, I have had a passion for aviation since I was knee high to a horse. This maneuver whatever it is had me on the edge of my seat fascinated.
@@DrewDrumstick I think normally it's knee high to an ant but that didn't make much sense to me, tried my best to think of something that would make sense. Knee high to a Great Dane didn't sound right either. XD
I hate our government, I hate your government, but I love your kid and his reaction)) I hope the big shots don't make even bigger mess than the one we already live in. Cheers, mate.
In Mission Impossible 4: Ghost Protocol, a reference is made to Sergey Bogdan. Sergey was Ethan Hunt's name in prison, and Bogdan was the friend he broke out with him. Or it could be coincidence. Needless to say, Tom Cruise's love for aviation is real!
@@SandMartin bruh the title of the maneuver video you're using is literally called the kvochur bell maneuver 🤦♂️☠ ruclips.net/video/bwhjerfaAy0/видео.html
If you are close enough for a missile to prime its proximity fuse, you are already dead. The objective of the maneuver is not to avoid the missiles but to confuse the missiles. since the aircraft's speed and direction are different and changing the missile is unable to calculate a correct vector/lead to intercept. You should watch how this works in DCS. Many youtubers have made videos about this specific scene from the movie usinf F-14A and Su-57 Mod. The missiles never get as close as shown in the movie, the just fly away in different directions. Yes DCS is not the be all, end all but it is as accurate we can get as civilians
Well, the movie seems to be aware of that, as it goes out of its way to engineer the situation. Protagonists are flying away with a stolen Tomcat, baddies don't know what's up and intercept them for visual inspection.
Fun Fact: The test pilot in the real footage who performed the maneuver is the exact age as Tom Cruise (59 when he did that in the airshow). The true real life Maverick...
Yes it's a movie, so it's for entertainment and we can throw some reality out the window. The manoeuvre is realistic, it's application is highly unlikely, unless you want to die looking really cool in the process and waste millions of dollars having your jet being blown to a million pieces. The film was great to show what can be done in cinema with actors in real jets and the flight footage in most scenes was breathtaking. The movie does what we all want it to do and that is entertain us. Who cares if it's not entirely accurate, it's not a documentary.
True. No buts about it. This maneuver is only for air shows to fully awe spectators. It has no military value unless its moronic pilot wants to buy the farm prematurely.
@@mobiuszero2424 It's a show trick, though I thoroughly encourage any russian pilots to do the manoeuvre to "escape" a missile xD. In reality the missile would've aimed for the centre of the heat signature, which because the aircraft was spinning around its centre of mass means it would've punched through the middle of the aircraft. Even if it did work to avoid a missile, all you've done is bleed off all of your speed which means all Maverick would need to do is go vertical (trading speed for altitude), see which direction the Su recovers into level flight in (which'll take a few seconds), and then pull over and dive down on the Su which is trying to get back up to a speed where it can fight at. Most post stall manoeuvres are show tricks, and i can only think of one real life fight ( ruclips.net/video/E6Xw8e7lFi8/видео.html ) where post stall manoeuvring might have ended a fight faster (and that was only because the attacking aircraft didn't have any missiles on board).
Maverick's split-throttle forced overshoot was cooler. The analog nature of the plane makes it more special. The fact that asymmetrical thrust is what caused the flat spin in Top Gun and yet Maverick uses it to save Rooster and himself is beautiful.
@@Dki101 The F-14s wide engine placement is one of the reasons why it can end badly if an engine fails on take off or landing due to the yaw effect being so pronounced. But it makes for an awesome move like Mav did too.
Один из лучших моментов в фильме. Этим фильм и понравился, что пытался максимум передать реальные характеристики физики полёта техники и человека. Конечно есть такое, что вызывает смех, но не без этого. Это ж американский фильм.
@@TomTayler181ничем не лучше. Американский кинематограф можно описать как россыпь бриллиантов в пруду дерьма. С десяток талантливых режиссёров с годами осыпают этот пруд своими шедеврами, но снизу из трубы льётся поток смрада
The maneuver is called "Blinchik" which stands for Pancake. It was named in a such way that spinning along the yaw axis resembles spreading batter on a pan
@@JamesSchettler Yes. It actually differs by how the batter on pan is cooked. But there is no such English equivalent closer than pancake to describe it. May be crepe would do but somehow EN speaker eventually brought pancake.
plus just hearing "the enemy" or "5th gen fighter" makes it more mysterous, giving a feeling of fear to the unknown of what its capable. at least to these pilots
No,this movie just bent over to the CCP and deleted the Japanese and Taiwanese flags off the back of Maverick's leather bomber jacket, you know, keeping it as realistic as a commie sellout.
WTF that was, was really impressive. I came here to see if it was really possible or if it was just Hollywood. That's some Tony Hawk 900 type stuff only in a multi-million dollar aircraft. Great scene in the movie.
В реалии он бы уже был сбит делая такой маневр. Не один маневр кроме как резкое пике с максимальным набором скорости не спасает от ракет воздух воздух. И все эти фигуры пилотажа на малой скорости не что иное как фуфло
I love that the firing of the missile looks exactly like the original film. And the move is very cool even though I think he would have lost more speed in real life and they might have been able to run away, the F-14 is/was a very very fast aircraft
The F-14 is faster, but he would not have been able to get out of missile range fast enough to avoid getting 4 missiles launched against him. Once he was in the fight he's committed to it, he either shoots down the SU-57 or it will shoot him down.
@@MattKearneyFan1 That that part of the movie was CGI is a given. What the actual capabilities of the F-14 is fairly well known, we know what speed it stalls at, (in the mid 90's) and with that we know how many deg/sec it can generate at any given speed, altitude and weight. We know how fast it can go and how quickly it can accelerate. Lot's of unknowns about the SU-57, but for the time frame in question (2018-20) we have observed performance, we know what engine and radar and other systems it had, more importantly what it did not have yet cause the systems did not show up until 2021-22.
The fact had it not been for the plot armor and the surprise attack from Hangman, mav and rooster would’ve been dead. It’s rare that movies show the enemy as genuinely skilled and better than the protagonist at times.
I like to imagine the pilot doing the cobra manoeuvre graduated around the same time as maverick and had similar prowess and was still in service. To maverick it’s like fighting a mirror.
i like to think that su-57 pilot was a mig-28 pilot who survived the events of the first top gun, i think it provides a cool parallel between him and maverick with them both being seasoned veteran pilots with some tricks up their sleeves and some history between them
Never forget one is a SU35 a 4+generation Fighter and the other one is a 5 generation Fighter the SU57 . Russian Fighter Pilot's are insane. What they can do up in the air is unbelievable.
That move was really sick on screen, but notice IRL how the Su-35 is left flying super slow at a ridiculous AoA. It's going to take you several seconds to gain your energy back after a move like that.
Different paradigms. The Americans and most Western airforces focus on energy bar none (or just plain stealth and BVR) while the Russians seem to have put a lot of effort into insane manoeuvrability. Against multiple opponents, you'd never pull this move, but one on one you may have an edge in some scenarios.
Let me tell you that the scream I made when this sequence came got me the best reaction from some in the theatre I was watching this in. I even heard "Belkan tech BS" as well. 🤣🤣🤣
I just wanna say that for those who are saying this final dogfight is all CGI they are half right i saw in some clips that the F14 flying is an F18 edited to look like the F14, though the Su 57 and Missiles (obviously) are completly CGI
If anyone is in disbelief that an old F-14 out fought G5 aircraft, keep in mind that In WW2 a Dive Bomber pilot flying an SBD Dauntless managed to outmaneuver and take out 3 Japanese Zeros. (Look up 'Dogfights - Long Odds' to see the story and interview with the pilot)
That's not new though, SBDs would tear up zeros with ease. Also not really the same, seeing as they were both late 30's early 40's tech. It's more like a Sopwith Camel beating a Spitfire Mk 22 in a dogfight
I think the way he dropped back and hit the first sukhoi was at last mildly believable given the element of surprise, but the fighting with the second and 3rd is a bit of a stretch, in reality it's just going to be how long can they survive, not will they win, but that's movie drama for you...
I think what most people fail to realize is the F14 would then be rating around the circle while the Sukhoi is trying to regain energy, unless he can get a R-73 off
@@lightningxx oh it's going to be difficult either way. But it is possible for an intense pilot that knows the F14 and it's abilities to take on a 5th gen up close. Stand off...99 out of 100 the 5th gen wins.
The Sukhoi should be bending the F-14 backwards and having it's way with it Honestly, the F-14 is like the one opponent the Su-33 can consistently beat, other than another Su-33 but that doesn't count cause no matter who wins, a Su-33 wins.
@@Mudak716 ну покажи это любому пилоту, и он тебе скажет что пилоты сушек реально плохо обучены, раз совершают такие маневры. Все эти маневры на малой скорости это 100% смерть. Реальный способ только один, резкое пике и максимальная возможная скорость чтобы ракета как можно быстрей исчерпала свою скорость и топливо, а это где-то 8секунд. В любом другом случае ты труп
That sidewinder must’ve been an older model, if it had an all aspect seeker that just would have plowed into the aircraft, however if that was an earlier sidewinder like a Golf or Hotel and only fires rear aspect that maneuver might just work
@@gordrilla I mean, the real Tomcat had Limas and Mikes, I SUPPOSE it could have fielded the Hotel very early on since the Lima was actually one of the few joint efforts between the navy and Air Force to upgrade their existing arsenal of A2A weapons and the Lima was a culmination of that. I’d have to get a close look at the missile nose fins to tell
@@gordrilla I’m just being a stickler for details, and ACTUALLY those do appear to be Aim-9H (hotels) so they would NOT be all aspect and WOULD in fact be susceptible to a maneuver like this since it would be a rear aspect model and that means if it’s not looking at the very REAR of an aircraft it cannot lock and that maneuver changes the aspect quick enough to confuse the missile
To be clear, if a pilot tries to do that maneuver in that situation, he/she would just lose a lot of speed, making it way way waaaay easier for the Sidewinder missile to track and hit him XD
however true, in real life that missile regardless of its age would be able to pull more than enough Gs to hit it regardless of the manouver, but seeing as it happens to dodge it and the F14 overshot the SU-57 could dive down and regain speed. i wont state what happens after or if they did that for spoilers sake though. personally i would dive down
@@blair6932 What Maverick does is actually totally valid (for laws of radio propagation reasons). A land based radar guided SAM I worked on really didn't like dealing with what happened next. The simple expiation to why Mavericks Sidewinder didn't detonate was it had not armed by the time it reached the SU-57. Either Maverick fired it too close or the SU-57 manoeuvre slowed it down fast enough to reduce the distance to within the missile arming range/time. Minimum arming range in real life for a Sidewinder is around half a mile!!!
Missile would hit and destroy the target, even if it didn't the pilot has lost so much energy it would never be able to catch an F14 attempting to go ballistic and run all the way back to the safety of the ship.
But SU-57 was better because it was feared throughout the movie despite it was shot down Reason for the fear was because of their stealth and BVR capability and would be a 1 sided massacre againts the F-18s The movie showcased a 1v1 dogfight which shows how terrifying it is to face a killing machine with Thrust Vectoring As some TOPGUN instructors said after reviewing the movie those Thrust Vector maneuver would certainly make pilots freeze and stare in awe during a dogfight which is dangerous if the pilots never faced enemies that uses such insane maneuvers Other movies would make the SU-57 to be a no big deal kind of crap It would be like Stealth plane movie That was crappy showcase of russian fighters
It's funny that everyone forgets that modern air to air missiles have proximity fuse. So no cobra or bell maneuver can save the plane if the missile is in close proximity
@@warfriday We are talking here about the proximity fuse, that is meant to blow up if the missile is in the area of an airplane/fighter jet. There is no distance calculation, it is just a timer. You can do a sharp turn to make the distance faster between the missile and the launcher jet and the mechanism will activate at the same time regardless of the distance between them. You can call it ... arming, but again, it's not related to distance.
@@Xadethor Oh, I get you now. so what you're saying is that by doing a cobra, the su57 lost a lot of speed that the missile reached it before it was armed, correct?
Thats an Su 27 its manuevering rate is 9.2 while Su 30 has 9.4 And Su 35 9.6 Su 57 got ten which is perfect means in real life Su 57 is more agile than you think.
@@rendelbariuan7583 Yes but what kind of score? Like sustainable Gs? Turn rate in radians per unit? And what institute/person gave it that score? 10 being a perfect score would mean that no other fighter would be able to turn quicker and be more agile than the Su-57 which isn't true.
@@cloudy7937 in terms of gravity laws Su 57 equipped with Saturn 30 is already at the max or whats as much as possible Both all of the flankers and su 57 can pull 9++ GS.
"Bell" is a completely different maneuver. This is essentially a vertical climb, braking and sliding backwards on the tail. It was Anatoly Kvochur (RIP) who first showed this maneuver to the public on a MiG-29 in 1988 in Farnborough.
Just took my 12 year old nephew to see this with me today and he was like ‘wow’ during this entire sequence. Took me back to being a kid and was so happy to share it with him.
I may be in my 20’s but I was sure to bring along my 12 year old self also
Even with superhero movies where anything is possible, this movie's grounded action sequences still works.
Hahah dude I’m 26 and I’m in the same boat. I was like a 12yr on Christmas morning
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Effective or not, that's from an aerodynamic point of view just awesome. Flankers are really impressive.
Felon, at least that's the one in the movie if that's what your referring to
@@mr.squiddy6982 yep I know but I was talking about the Flanker of the real vid.
@@mr.squiddy6982 yeah but the Flankers are more than capable of doing those maneuvers, pretty much what's keeping them as relevant as they are
@@rincontibio7664 they won't be relevant at all if they go head to head with a raptor or a f35
@@brecibros2469 Just compare the weight the F22 is not for maneuvers it is weapons technology
By God that move was smooth as hell
Ida loved to see him recover downwards facing earth and pull back in the other direction!
@Will not useless as muricans jets
@Will russia have best air-to air rockets so in real Russian jets will win, but you can still do fantasy movies)
@@АлександрКилочек-г5ш while i like my sukhois you spitting some chinese shit, the air to air missile they use are barely equivilent and the next gen aircraft the americans are fielding will pose a serious challenge to lock up even for the 57's sensor suite.
@@АлександрКилочек-г5ш lol Russia is only good at shooting down their own jets as your mundane army shows what they're really capable of.
When I first saw Su-57 piloted by Sergey Bogdan at MAKS Airshow, I had the same reaction as Maverick's.
Aye, he made that thing move like a UFO.
@@DeDyson Absolutely!
_Adilet Uraimov_ - Bogdan was not piloting the Su-57, he was piloting the Su-27.
@@АлексейПопов-я3д Interesting, as the RUclips video is called "MAKS 2019 ✈ Sergey Bogdan Steals the Show with the Su-57 - HD 50fps" and the description for the video is very detailed and also states the Su-57 pilot was Сергей Богдан. Are you definately referring to MAKS 2019, or perhaps MAKS 2021 as I cannot see the pilot name for the Su-57 for that year.
@@АлексейПопов-я3д Well I didn't refer to his Su-27 piloting in this video. I meant the one I saw at MAKS-2021 where he flew on Su-57.
“He’s doing that thrust vectoring bulls**t on me”
Gs: We should be safe
Missile: hello there
He was inverted
Su 57 3D Vector !!! Best !
lol
Growling Sidewinder moment
This movie knows what the audience is here for: Tom Cruise flying, Tom Cruise on a motorcycle, Tom Cruise doing yet another batshit crazy stunt in the name of entertainment. And I love it.
Yep with none of the Woke, BLM LBGTabcdefg bullshit in a typical Hollywood film today.
Tom Cruise running. Don't forget about that haha
Love how the new movie acknowledges that Sukhoi’s are notorious for being capable of stupid shit that looks like it belongs in a glitchy video game
I like how the Americans always REFUSE at every air show to have a friendly demonstration battle against Russian aircraft with Russian pilots. They are afraid of disgrace to the whole world.
Right?! That’s what makes it so great
Some say its them Belkan technology BS
@@AkiraSeki probably you already know but Belkan technology is the awnser for everything with high levels of technology in aircraft, Belka is a nation in Strangereal from the Ace Combat series, if you see Belkan Witchcraft it basicly means the same shit but just more unrealistic like piloting backwards
@@fuckedlaptop364 yeap i played the AC franchise games
The little details in movies like this make the big ones all the more amazing. Like the jet cutting through the smoke cloud of the missile while performing this maneuver. It’s just so well done.
"There are aces like you in every generation and I felled every last one of them"
Mav said that?
It a dialogue of Mikhail from the most legendary sony playstation franchise.. ACE COMBAT 7
Ace combat
Tell that to Three Strikes, Sol 1.
@@Devenix8527 Who is Mikhail? We're talking about Mihaly.
The laws of physics do not allow this maneuver to be possible, the lift and thrust in play should simply cause the plane to pull up and maybe enter an uncontrollable flat spin
The Su-57 does not care and makes its own laws of physics
In Russia, laws of physics are obedient to the laws of SUKHOY!
It's a maneuver that's been done many many times in airshows??
Russian don't follow american laws of physics
pancake maneuver
Not in Ukraine
My reaction was the same in the theater, I have had a passion for aviation since I was knee high to a horse. This maneuver whatever it is had me on the edge of my seat fascinated.
i get you were talking about your passion for aviation since you were a little kid, but thats a weird af metaphor to use
@@DrewDrumstick let someone enjoy their movie, alright？ No wonder you guys are depressed because put ’Realistic’ on everything.
@@theraiden9631 what? i was just saying it was a weird way of saying "since i was young"
@@DrewDrumstick I understood what you meant 👍😊
@@DrewDrumstick I think normally it's knee high to an ant but that didn't make much sense to me, tried my best to think of something that would make sense. Knee high to a Great Dane didn't sound right either. XD
Damn, looks like they tried to recreate it 1:1. Sweet.
Most awesome moment in the movie. My kid went nuts: “PAPA HE DID A COBRA”
How old is your son? He’s cool
I hate our government, I hate your government, but I love your kid and his reaction)) I hope the big shots don't make even bigger mess than the one we already live in. Cheers, mate.
Su57 pilots on this movie went from piloting like Mihaly to Bonnie in less than 5 min xD
In Mission Impossible 4: Ghost Protocol, a reference is made to Sergey Bogdan. Sergey was Ethan Hunt's name in prison, and Bogdan was the friend he broke out with him. Or it could be coincidence. Needless to say, Tom Cruise's love for aviation is real!
Underrated comment. Damn, you're right! ruclips.net/video/QJGvMtYIDu8/видео.html
yeah but after he gets shot down this becomes mission impossible and he GTAs a F-14
I was looking for this comment :)
I thought about that just the other day.
That personage from the movie is looking so stupid and degenerated that I think that this is not homage, but insult of Sergey Bogdan.
Amazing side by side, thank you
Its a KVOCHUR'S BELL not COBRA
No. Kvochurs bell (колокол Квочура) is variant of a tailslide.
military.wikireading.ru/33972
SandMartin is right. This is "Cobra turn" one of the derivatives of Cobra maneuver.
LOL nope. Its a cobra not a spin.
@@SandMartin bruh the title of the maneuver video you're using is literally called the kvochur bell maneuver 🤦♂️☠
ruclips.net/video/bwhjerfaAy0/видео.html
It's called pugachev cobra manuever
Very cool looking maeneuver, but only effective in a world where no guided missiles are equipped with proximity fuses.
Yes. That's why IRL Su-57 has DIRCM, to not even need to bother about IR missiles.
If you are close enough for a missile to prime its proximity fuse, you are already dead. The objective of the maneuver is not to avoid the missiles but to confuse the missiles. since the aircraft's speed and direction are different and changing the missile is unable to calculate a correct vector/lead to intercept. You should watch how this works in DCS. Many youtubers have made videos about this specific scene from the movie usinf F-14A and Su-57 Mod. The missiles never get as close as shown in the movie, the just fly away in different directions. Yes DCS is not the be all, end all but it is as accurate we can get as civilians
@@N1lav What's an aircrafat?
@@g1llifer an aircraft that got so fat there's another a in there.
Felons have IR dazzlers
"What the fuck was that???"
THAT'S 5TH GEN, BABY!!!
I love aviation thanks to Top Gun. The sequel is a masterpiece.
hahaha No it's not. It's derivative at best.
In reality, those f18/f14 would kaboom before even facing the felon head on.
Well, the movie seems to be aware of that, as it goes out of its way to engineer the situation.
Protagonists are flying away with a stolen Tomcat, baddies don't know what's up and intercept them for visual inspection.
This scene was amazing, looked and sounded incredible in the cinema.
Fun Fact: The test pilot in the real footage who performed the maneuver is the exact age as Tom Cruise (59 when he did that in the airshow). The true real life Maverick...
This is that why I love Su-35
That’s a SU 57
@@thebravest2332 SU 57 in movie. SU35 doing it for real. Yes the real SU57 can also do it
Yes it's a movie, so it's for entertainment and we can throw some reality out the window.
The manoeuvre is realistic, it's application is highly unlikely, unless you want to die looking really cool in the process and waste millions of dollars having your jet being blown to a million pieces.
The film was great to show what can be done in cinema with actors in real jets and the flight footage in most scenes was breathtaking.
The movie does what we all want it to do and that is entertain us. Who cares if it's not entirely accurate, it's not a documentary.
Hey, each pilot goes out on their own terms
well uh, that manuver is exactly for preventing pilots being shot down
@@mobiuszero2424 HAHAHA get AMRAAM'ed?
True. No buts about it.
This maneuver is only for air shows to fully awe spectators. It has no military value unless its moronic pilot wants to buy the farm prematurely.
@@mobiuszero2424 It's a show trick, though I thoroughly encourage any russian pilots to do the manoeuvre to "escape" a missile xD.
In reality the missile would've aimed for the centre of the heat signature, which because the aircraft was spinning around its centre of mass means it would've punched through the middle of the aircraft.
Even if it did work to avoid a missile, all you've done is bleed off all of your speed which means all Maverick would need to do is go vertical (trading speed for altitude), see which direction the Su recovers into level flight in (which'll take a few seconds), and then pull over and dive down on the Su which is trying to get back up to a speed where it can fight at.
Most post stall manoeuvres are show tricks, and i can only think of one real life fight ( ruclips.net/video/E6Xw8e7lFi8/видео.html ) where post stall manoeuvring might have ended a fight faster (and that was only because the attacking aircraft didn't have any missiles on board).
this is the coolest scene in the movie, i rewatched this part so many times
Even the rocket went nuts from this and forgot that it has a proximity fuse, and Tom Cruise that there is an M61 Vulcan on the plane)
Idk how I was the only one to laugh at Rooster’s reaction in the theater
"What the fuck was that?"
Russian pilots G force : That was an Manuver
i love the SU-57. hands down best looking fighter on the planet.
Russians know how to build beautiful planes 😉
MiG-25
Maverick's split-throttle forced overshoot was cooler. The analog nature of the plane makes it more special. The fact that asymmetrical thrust is what caused the flat spin in Top Gun and yet Maverick uses it to save Rooster and himself is beautiful.
link for that?
@@ThatCyberpunkGuy What? You don't remember him saying "Splaying-throttles" as he rolled over in the movie
I swear I was the only one who reacted to that part. Cause you manually have to do that like you said. Very easy to go bad
@@Dki101 The F-14s wide engine placement is one of the reasons why it can end badly if an engine fails on take off or landing due to the yaw effect being so pronounced. But it makes for an awesome move like Mav did too.
@@ThatCyberpunkGuy Bruh it was in the movie, clear as day.
Один из лучших моментов в фильме. Этим фильм и понравился, что пытался максимум передать реальные характеристики физики полёта техники и человека. Конечно есть такое, что вызывает смех, но не без этого. Это ж американский фильм.
Российские филмь поя все огонь ) реалесчтные такие.
@@TomTayler181ничем не лучше. Американский кинематограф можно описать как россыпь бриллиантов в пруду дерьма. С десяток талантливых режиссёров с годами осыпают этот пруд своими шедеврами, но снизу из трубы льётся поток смрада
Seeing how the Su35 does it in real life gives me goosebumps
The maneuver is called "Blinchik" which stands for Pancake. It was named in a such way that spinning along the yaw axis resembles spreading batter on a pan
Blinchik is not the same as pancake. First is much thinner
@@JamesSchettler Yes. It actually differs by how the batter on pan is cooked. But there is no such English equivalent closer than pancake to describe it. May be crepe would do but somehow EN speaker eventually brought pancake.
@@minstan7415 so, blin is blin))
@@JamesSchettler да
Really liked that this movie didn't name a country or berate their forces like typical hollywood movies do
plus just hearing "the enemy" or "5th gen fighter" makes it more mysterous, giving a feeling of fear to the unknown of what its capable. at least to these pilots
No,this movie just bent over to the CCP and deleted the Japanese and Taiwanese flags off the back of Maverick's leather bomber jacket, you know, keeping it as realistic as a commie sellout.
Favorite scene in the movie comes from an invisible enemy. Brilliant.
Tom cruise- "i do my own stunts"
Russian pilot- "hold my vodka"
God I love the Sukhoi so much. Beautiful, aggressive and so nimble.
Вы еще не видели как су 57 делает маневр под названием "блин",ищите.
Он летит прямо и при этом вращается вокруг себя на 360 градусов
WTF that was, was really impressive. I came here to see if it was really possible or if it was just Hollywood. That's some Tony Hawk 900 type stuff only in a multi-million dollar aircraft. Great scene in the movie.
Such an awesome scene! Especially in IMAX! Like wow!
АЛ-31Ф - уникальный двигатель с потрясающей газодинамической устойчивостью.(у СУ-35 слева)
Вообще у него АЛ-41Ф-1С,Да ГДУ высокая
@@BBCRF точно, спасибо.
With a 3- dimensional +-~ 15° TVC, right?
В реалии он бы уже был сбит делая такой маневр. Не один маневр кроме как резкое пике с максимальным набором скорости не спасает от ракет воздух воздух. И все эти фигуры пилотажа на малой скорости не что иное как фуфло
@@noaa9587 О, действующие пилоты, имеющие реальный опыт ухода от ракет класса воздух-воздух, подошли со своим экспертным мнением…
Top Gun 2 was unbelievable...love this movie.
А почему Круз удивляется увидев этот манёвр? Наши самолёты так давно умеют, поэтому любой военный пилот должен знать что это было.
Probably one of the top 10 uses of *Fuck* in a PG13 movie.
The real - life version came out of the maneuver with almost no airspeed left to defeat even a retired F-14
Definitely a KVOCHUR'S BELL. Saw one other video which showed top 10 maneuvers, this one fit kvochur bell perfectly.
"He's doing that thrust vectoring bullshit again..."
That was one pro gamer move right there.
Tom Cruise did his research before inserting that awesome scene in Top Gun Maverick
And then filled it with scenes that would break a few Hornet wings
@@Therzis prove it
@@MirzaKhalid How tf do you want me to prove it? Stealing a plane and breaking it?
@@Therzis just like Maverick does it without breaking the wings
This moment has that feel of near future (5-10years) when something futuristic'ish, but relatable is happening.
I love that the firing of the missile looks exactly like the original film. And the move is very cool even though I think he would have lost more speed in real life and they might have been able to run away, the F-14 is/was a very very fast aircraft
1650mph
The F-14 is faster, but he would not have been able to get out of missile range fast enough to avoid getting 4 missiles launched against him. Once he was in the fight he's committed to it, he either shoots down the SU-57 or it will shoot him down.
That was cgi. Not real
@@MattKearneyFan1 That that part of the movie was CGI is a given. What the actual capabilities of the F-14 is fairly well known, we know what speed it stalls at, (in the mid 90's) and with that we know how many deg/sec it can generate at any given speed, altitude and weight. We know how fast it can go and how quickly it can accelerate. Lot's of unknowns about the SU-57, but for the time frame in question (2018-20) we have observed performance, we know what engine and radar and other systems it had, more importantly what it did not have yet cause the systems did not show up until 2021-22.
The actual footage of the firing of the missile from the f-14 is straight up just from the original top gun. It is the exact same footage reused
The fact had it not been for the plot armor and the surprise attack from Hangman, mav and rooster would’ve been dead. It’s rare that movies show the enemy as genuinely skilled and better than the protagonist at times.
Wouldve been cool if he also popped flares while spinning. Wouldve been even more spectacular for sure
IKR? instead flexing on this Top Gun 🤣
I like to imagine the pilot doing the cobra manoeuvre graduated around the same time as maverick and had similar prowess and was still in service.
To maverick it’s like fighting a mirror.
0:16 My literal reaction to that maneuver in the theatre. 😂👌🏻🔥
the SU57: Pulling shit you would think is impossible outside of ace combat.
Because gravity is for nerds
i like to think that su-57 pilot was a mig-28 pilot who survived the events of the first top gun, i think it provides a cool parallel between him and maverick with them both being seasoned veteran pilots with some tricks up their sleeves and some history between them
So a 60 year old pilot like Maverick!??
@@Michael-cb5nm I mean, Sergey Bogdan's defying gravity on a weekly basis for Sukhoi, and he's 60.
Never forget one is a SU35 a 4+generation Fighter and the other one is a 5 generation Fighter the SU57 . Russian Fighter Pilot's are insane. What they can do up in the air is unbelievable.
I did the SU-57 maneuver in Neo Warfare and it was really epic
Hello fellow roblox neo warfare enjoyer
@@dumplingcat4215 hi
"He's trying to do his thrust vectoring bullshit on me"
That shhh was 🔥🔥FIRE🔥🔥.
He pulled the brakes and Mav flew right by. 🤪
That move was really sick on screen, but notice IRL how the Su-35 is left flying super slow at a ridiculous AoA. It's going to take you several seconds to gain your energy back after a move like that.
Different paradigms. The Americans and most Western airforces focus on energy bar none (or just plain stealth and BVR) while the Russians seem to have put a lot of effort into insane manoeuvrability. Against multiple opponents, you'd never pull this move, but one on one you may have an edge in some scenarios.
@@AdmiralValdemar only in a dogfight, but good luck getting that close when you get hit by an AMRAAM from over the horizon
@@rocketman3174 might be useful in low altitude battle against SAMs and other defenses.
@@villavan missiles have proximity fuses, you can’t dodge em like in top gun
you still have insane nose authority to fire a missile at the enemy
Let me tell you that the scream I made when this sequence came got me the best reaction from some in the theatre I was watching this in. I even heard "Belkan tech BS" as well. 🤣🤣🤣
Effective in irl or not, this is the perfect representation to tell how high tech and menacing gen 5 are
Just wait till 6 comes out
Rooster: "Holy shit, what the fuck was that?"
Maverick: "Fucking hackers man!"
I was surprised that the movie is used su-57 but even su-27 can this move in real,Russia…dangerous.
I love watching professionals at work, even if they are fictitious.
Awesome maeneuver, congrats to russians.
I just wanna say that for those who are saying this final dogfight is all CGI they are half right i saw in some clips that the F14 flying is an F18 edited to look like the F14, though the Su 57 and Missiles (obviously) are completly CGI
If anyone is in disbelief that an old F-14 out fought G5 aircraft, keep in mind that In WW2 a Dive Bomber pilot flying an SBD Dauntless managed to outmaneuver and take out 3 Japanese Zeros. (Look up 'Dogfights - Long Odds' to see the story and interview with the pilot)
Dauntless destroys a Zero in the one turn, the gap wasn't as large back then.
That's not new though, SBDs would tear up zeros with ease. Also not really the same, seeing as they were both late 30's early 40's tech. It's more like a Sopwith Camel beating a Spitfire Mk 22 in a dogfight
@@beaverchicken Ice cold grug brained take.
I think the way he dropped back and hit the first sukhoi was at last mildly believable given the element of surprise, but the fighting with the second and 3rd is a bit of a stretch, in reality it's just going to be how long can they survive, not will they win, but that's movie drama for you...
la-9/la-11 Chinese Air Force shot down F86 sabre
Best use of "fuck" in a movie
Ain't that the Kvochur bell maneuver?
Yes but these people don't know shit
Yes it is
Yes
That's a sick maneuver 👍🏻💯 I thought it would as they made the enemy just as good as maverick, and the others.
I think what most people fail to realize is the F14 would then be rating around the circle while the Sukhoi is trying to regain energy, unless he can get a R-73 off
this guy gets it.
@@heathb4319 More thinking about it and seeing the DCS videos, it would still be a hell of a challenge for the F14
@@lightningxx oh it's going to be difficult either way. But it is possible for an intense pilot that knows the F14 and it's abilities to take on a 5th gen up close.
Stand off...99 out of 100 the 5th gen wins.
@@lightningxx And dammit...now i got to watch some Growling Sidewinder DCS videos.
The Sukhoi should be bending the F-14 backwards and having it's way with it
Honestly, the F-14 is like the one opponent the Su-33 can consistently beat, other than another Su-33 but that doesn't count cause no matter who wins, a Su-33 wins.
I saw that scene in theater and the words "Holy shit" came out of my mouth before the character said it.
Mad skills!
That one of the real action acrobatic is from malaysian air force during the singapore air show 2018 with sukhoi SU-30 MKM
Товарищи заправили СУ-57 водкой, обычная практика.
под новой каховкой уже балдеет су-35
пилот жив а вот пилоты с су 25 не очень
So what law physics don't exist for this jet ?
"Wtf was that?" Some pilot who watched Top Gun!
Не ну а че крутой момент
Момент красивый,а по итогу "рембо -маверик" таки порвал на своём ведре обе сушки. Впрочем другой концовки от "жмеренцев" и не следовало ожидать)
@@Den-5-Ekb ну справедливости ради, победили они из-за банальной удачи, а не из-за того что пилоты сушки были плохо обучены, или совершили ошибку
@@Den-5-Ekb Это не противоракетный маневр но сценарист не знал этого ))) В реальности при такой маневрировании получиш ракету в жопу или снаряд пушки.
@@Den-5-Ekb победили они потому что пилот хорош а не американские истрибители ведра хороши, и удача, а фильм топ.
@@Mudak716 ну покажи это любому пилоту, и он тебе скажет что пилоты сушек реально плохо обучены, раз совершают такие маневры. Все эти маневры на малой скорости это 100% смерть. Реальный способ только один, резкое пике и максимальная возможная скорость чтобы ракета как можно быстрей исчерпала свою скорость и топливо, а это где-то 8секунд. В любом другом случае ты труп
That sidewinder must’ve been an older model, if it had an all aspect seeker that just would have plowed into the aircraft, however if that was an earlier sidewinder like a Golf or Hotel and only fires rear aspect that maneuver might just work
Look at how old the fuckin aircraft is, hiw it's portrayed in the movie and you've got your answer...Christ almighty 🙄
@@gordrilla I mean, the real Tomcat had Limas and Mikes, I SUPPOSE it could have fielded the Hotel very early on since the Lima was actually one of the few joint efforts between the navy and Air Force to upgrade their existing arsenal of A2A weapons and the Lima was a culmination of that. I’d have to get a close look at the missile nose fins to tell
@@gordrilla I’m just being a stickler for details, and ACTUALLY those do appear to be Aim-9H (hotels) so they would NOT be all aspect and WOULD in fact be susceptible to a maneuver like this since it would be a rear aspect model and that means if it’s not looking at the very REAR of an aircraft it cannot lock and that maneuver changes the aspect quick enough to confuse the missile
To be clear, if a pilot tries to do that maneuver in that situation, he/she would just lose a lot of speed, making it way way waaaay easier for the Sidewinder missile to track and hit him XD
however true, in real life that missile regardless of its age would be able to pull more than enough Gs to hit it regardless of the manouver, but seeing as it happens to dodge it and the F14 overshot the SU-57 could dive down and regain speed. i wont state what happens after or if they did that for spoilers sake though. personally i would dive down
@@blair6932 What Maverick does is actually totally valid (for laws of radio propagation reasons). A land based radar guided SAM I worked on really didn't like dealing with what happened next. The simple expiation to why Mavericks Sidewinder didn't detonate was it had not armed by the time it reached the SU-57. Either Maverick fired it too close or the SU-57 manoeuvre slowed it down fast enough to reduce the distance to within the missile arming range/time. Minimum arming range in real life for a Sidewinder is around half a mile!!!
Don't tell the Russians that lmao
Missile would hit and destroy the target, even if it didn't the pilot has lost so much energy it would never be able to catch an F14 attempting to go ballistic and run all the way back to the safety of the ship.
Exactly
This was so cool moment in the Cinema, everyone was jumping in their chairs!
The reason why the SU35 should have been in the movie instead
But SU-57 was better because it was feared throughout the movie despite it was shot down
Reason for the fear was because of their stealth and BVR capability and would be a 1 sided massacre againts the F-18s
The movie showcased a 1v1 dogfight which shows how terrifying it is to face a killing machine with Thrust Vectoring
As some TOPGUN instructors said after reviewing the movie those Thrust Vector maneuver would certainly make pilots freeze and stare in awe during a dogfight which is dangerous if the pilots never faced enemies that uses such insane maneuvers
Other movies would make the SU-57 to be a no big deal kind of crap
It would be like Stealth plane movie
That was crappy showcase of russian fighters
@@guts-141 I mean you can find actual footage of BFM between F18Cs and Su30s from Indonesia (TheReadyRoom)
No.
This Su-57 in movie looks like the boss and i heard boss music from darksouls in my head
It's funny that everyone forgets that modern air to air missiles have proximity fuse. So no cobra or bell maneuver can save the plane if the missile is in close proximity
Not to mention that the maneuver just presents a larger, more stationary target. There was no risk of a miss.
The proximity fuse has a arming timer on it. You can use that to justify the scene.
@@Xadethor missile is armed after a certain distance from the f-14, I believe, not the other way around.
@@warfriday We are talking here about the proximity fuse, that is meant to blow up if the missile is in the area of an airplane/fighter jet. There is no distance calculation, it is just a timer. You can do a sharp turn to make the distance faster between the missile and the launcher jet and the mechanism will activate at the same time regardless of the distance between them. You can call it ... arming, but again, it's not related to distance.
@@Xadethor Oh, I get you now. so what you're saying is that by doing a cobra, the su57 lost a lot of speed that the missile reached it before it was armed, correct?
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Cobra spin? lol, it's called a Bell maneuver, Sukhois have been doing it awhile
No. Kvochurs Bell (колокол Квочура) is tailslide:
www.google.com/amp/s/military.wikireading.ru/amp33972
It's called a Kvochur bell MANUEVER
Thats an Su 27 its manuevering rate is 9.2 while Su 30 has 9.4 And Su 35 9.6
Su 57 got ten which is perfect means in real life Su 57 is more agile than you think.
9.2 what? What units? What ducking units are that? What are you measuring
@@TheWizardGamez its just score bruhh
@@rendelbariuan7583 Yes but what kind of score? Like sustainable Gs? Turn rate in radians per unit? And what institute/person gave it that score? 10 being a perfect score would mean that no other fighter would be able to turn quicker and be more agile than the Su-57 which isn't true.
@@cloudy7937 in terms of gravity laws Su 57 equipped with Saturn 30 is already at the max or whats as much as possible
Both all of the flankers and su 57 can pull 9++ GS.
@@cloudy7937 thrust to weight ratio 1.36- 1:1
Instantanous turn rate 30-35⁰ per second
I performed the Cobra in my car yesterday to get a Kenworth off my bumper 👌👍😎
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Very happy that they made the enemy pilots so badass. It really made the ending for me