Comparing 4 different "Bydlo" on 4 different instruments

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  • @99corncob
    @99corncob 5 месяцев назад +26

    I am a tuba player and I think the euphonium is the best choice for this solo. We are all used to hearing the thin, strained sound of the tuba's high register on this solo and the guy in the video plays it perfectly. But, the risk is high. Many tuba players have slipped here and ruined their careers and reputations (not me, fortunately). One famous professional in New York used to have it written into his contracts that he would not have to play this solo. The risk is not necessary when the solo sounds so good on the euphonium, an instrument whose range suits it much better.

    • @dingrobin7924
      @dingrobin7924 Месяц назад +2

      I completely disagree. Bydlo is not even that difficult of a solo compare to what other brass instruments have to handle, refusing to play the most famous and prominent solo on your instrument js ridiculous. It’s like a trumpet player saying they wouldn’t play Mahler 3 post horn solo/alpine symphony/Mahler 7, a trombone player saying they wouldn’t play bolero/mahler3 or a horn player saying they wouldn’t play Dvorak9.
      In addition musically speaking, a “strained” sound most definitely would better represent a ox car pulling cargos in the mud. That’s what emphasizes the struggle which the ox is in.

    • @nickhoule2250
      @nickhoule2250 27 дней назад

      @@dingrobin7924the argument comes from the fact that the piece was not orchestrated to be played on a modern bass tuba in F, but a French tuba in C, one step above a euphonium.

    • @B1GFREAK
      @B1GFREAK 9 дней назад

      French tuba wins!

  • @theafellacomposer
    @theafellacomposer 3 года назад +108

    3:42 damn never knew Gustav Mahler could play the Euphonium so well!

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад +10

      WTF?! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    • @theafellacomposer
      @theafellacomposer 3 года назад +8

      @@tubagabrii hahahaha cannot unsee

    • @jmwoods190
      @jmwoods190 Год назад +2

      @@theafellacomposer He's got some new glasses, I see!

  • @ado4224
    @ado4224 3 года назад +356

    Tf didn't know tuba can play so high with such a nice tone. It sounded like a euphonium.

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад +59

      Yes, tuba is the best❤😆

    • @cynneparker5193
      @cynneparker5193 3 года назад +16

      Same I thought it was a euphonium at first and they showed it was tuba never knew they could go that high

    • @tubadude07
      @tubadude07 3 года назад +5

      It’s also hard Afro play that high and clean

    • @therealvascha3527
      @therealvascha3527 3 года назад +30

      The tuba being is in the key of F, it helps to play in the high register

    • @matthiassanchez3211
      @matthiassanchez3211 3 года назад +1

      I thought it was a french horn at first

  • @kurtarmbruster
    @kurtarmbruster 7 месяцев назад +5

    I vote for number one. That big horn's fat, veiled tone is perfect. Lovely sound!

  • @flexprog3374
    @flexprog3374 3 года назад +158

    By far the F tuba for me. IMO the most interesting and colorful choice here, even if this wasn't composed for it. As the solo describes a very big and ordinary thing, having a very cumbersome instrument which plays it an unusual/clumsy register is both a very good description and a quite ear-catching rendition. Other instruments, when playing the solo, tend to be in their best register, which makes the solo sound very "easy" and not heavy, or even lyrical, which is not the point at all. Also, I feel like the F tuba really does "moo" like a cow on those high fifths, but maybe that's just me.
    I feel that Ravel's choice was simply to use the lowest instrument he had available at the time, but maybe if had the F tuba as a choice he would have opted for it. After all, Ravel is know for using extreme instrument registers to obtain certain unusual colors.

    • @Teladian2
      @Teladian2 3 года назад +3

      Also Ravel will have had access to a full compliment of modern brass as he lived in the early half of the 20th Century and did much of his composing and arrainging in that time.

    • @secretname8587
      @secretname8587 3 года назад +1

      Which one is the F tuba? The first one?

    • @danielduggan5405
      @danielduggan5405 3 года назад +4

      I agree with you. I love the velvety depth of the F tuba and prefer it. It sounds to me the most like an oxcart and the most Russian, but I must admit the pungency of French tuba (likely the instrument Ravel had in his ear) is fasinating. It's interesting knowing that the most famous orchestration of a very distinctly Russian piano work is a very distinctly French one. Knowing the mutual admiration French and Russian composers often had for each other's music, it isn't at all surprising.

    • @SamuelPlaysBrass
      @SamuelPlaysBrass 3 года назад

      I wouldn't consider even the euphonium to be in its "best register" on the high G# slurs, but I certainly am drawn to the "woofy" quality of the high notes on F tuba and its general heaviness of character.

    • @davetodd4906
      @davetodd4906 3 года назад +1

      @@Teladian2 The instrument Ravel was writing for was closer to a modern euphonium than to a modern tuba.

  • @Augustinemelecio
    @Augustinemelecio 3 года назад +106

    For me, the tuba sounds the best. Not only in color, but in tempo. Everyone else seems to rush it. I’m also not a fan of the vibrato on the B&W vid.

    • @colejackson6396
      @colejackson6396 3 года назад +4

      I agree with this. I think the solo can be lovely on a euphonium, but of these four, the solo on tuba was by far the best purely on the basis of the tuba player was actually in time. The modern recording with period instruments (the second recording) had a particularly rushed solo

    • @billklemm7284
      @billklemm7284 3 года назад +3

      I noticed that, too. He was right on the money. Definitely the best performance and on the most difficult instrument. I think that vibrato style is an artifact of both its time and the recording technology.

    • @forveillelier
      @forveillelier 3 года назад +2

      The german baritone sounds beautiful and perfect.

    • @halvardsutterud4158
      @halvardsutterud4158 2 года назад

      Yessss this. It should be a struggle, like the picture it represents

    • @davidrockefeller2007
      @davidrockefeller2007 6 месяцев назад

      Tuba for me. This was beautiful.

  • @shophar
    @shophar 3 года назад +29

    I like the Dark and heavy sound of #1
    #2 is safer. not as dark its brighter than I think. # 3 a little better in color darker than #2. #4 is really musical sounds like a cello. Bravo. They all are played Beautifully and musically, I like number 1 the best!

  • @yurifalla8561
    @yurifalla8561 2 месяца назад +1

    Originally Ravel arranged this movement for F Tube, but personally I think sounds much colorful, balanced and clear with the german baritone horne.

  • @alessandrozanonphotography1584
    @alessandrozanonphotography1584 3 года назад +17

    Alessandro Fossi! If Alessandro Fossi plays the tuba bass, it is obvious that the performance is a masterpiece. Fossi is a true maestro of this fantastic instrument.

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад +2

      Yes! Great tuba player

  • @euphinism1
    @euphinism1 3 года назад +26

    These are beautiful. Over the years I have played the piece three times, twice on euphonium and once on F tuba. The time with the tuba was much more thrilling...adrenaline rush, I suppose...

  • @davidwallace6861
    @davidwallace6861 3 года назад +43

    Reformed tubist here - transferred to bassoon in my undergrad. Fossi on the F Tuba is playing so beautifully. I think his performance is perfect. Unfortunately, the accompanying voices in the low strings and bassoons are stomping all over those 1/8th notes. It sounds like the orchestra skipped this movement in rehearsals.

    • @krimsworld
      @krimsworld 3 года назад +7

      I actually like how they're accompanying him - adds to the strained rustic vibe of the piece.

    • @Schell77
      @Schell77 3 года назад +7

      It's Gergiev, so they might just as well have skipped the rehearsals. I remember Speight Jenkins saying that he'd never heard an orchestra sound good when it was conducted by Gergiev.

    • @euphinism1
      @euphinism1 2 года назад +2

      Interesting, Mr Wallace! My advisor/teacher tried to convert me, also, in my undergrad years. Thankfully, I resisted and remain a tubist. However, I must disagree with the "stomping all over those 1/8th notes" comment. Ravel captured the feeling of a team of oxen dragging a heavily-laden, wooden-wheeled cart along a rutted, possibly muddy path. That is the color and intent of the rhythmic pattern underneath the groaning solo, whether played by euphonium, bass trombone, or tuba.

    • @tesmith47
      @tesmith47 7 месяцев назад

      The tinge of eastern / oriental Russian on the Wagner horn is fantastic!!! No way in hell me and my 6/4 gonna play that!!!!

  • @ssjauron92590
    @ssjauron92590 3 года назад +56

    Perhaps biased, but clearly the tuba takes it. In a live performance, the size advantage gives it a (in my opinion) more accurate distinct “ox” like presence.

  • @forveillelier
    @forveillelier 2 года назад +9

    Gabriele, a special thanks to you for helping me understand Bydlo and in the other video, Dies Iræ. The first time I heard bydlo (in this video), I did not understand it, but after listening to it and paying attention to it, it became the piece that I listened to all day and never stopped listening to it. I wanted to learn it on my instrument, and I even played it in my school, but bydlo had so much magic to enter me, it is inexplicable. I also like Dies Iræ, but I didn't understand it that much, until I found your videos, and my way of understanding music changed. Thank you Gabriele for your videos, I expect more from them, you are a great person for me.

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  2 года назад

      Wow, many thanks. I am really happy that my videos helped you❤❤ Hope to be alway helpful, I wish you a beautiful and rich musical journey

    • @forveillelier
      @forveillelier 2 года назад

      @@tubagabrii Yes, your videos always help me in lots of things! Thanks Gabriele!

  • @AndreyRubtsovRU
    @AndreyRubtsovRU 3 года назад +13

    Interesting video and nice comments. Noone though seem to mention the consideration that on tuba chances of splitting notes are higher in this register so all the hair-splitting of colours are way less important comparing to that.
    Hell, unfortunately 99.5% of the audience wouldnt notice any difference in all these instruments

    • @SamuelPlaysBrass
      @SamuelPlaysBrass 3 года назад +2

      People have differing opinions on this matter: some consider the tonal differences between the F tuba and euphonium pronounced enough to take the risk of having more split notes (and some conductors don't even realize the issue to begin with), whereas some like you consider the tones similar enough to warrant using a euphonium for extra stability. There is no single correct answer here, only the agreement that the performer and conductor come to. I believe Arnold Jacobs was even famed for playing the solo on CC tuba, but he was on a different plane of existence from most tubists. :)

  • @rossvistamail
    @rossvistamail Год назад +1

    “Clearly the best instrument to play Bydlo is my primary instrument.”

  • @timothytikker1147
    @timothytikker1147 8 месяцев назад +2

    The last example -- obviously on the instrument that transcriber Ravel had in mind -- is the only one in which the player actually observes all the score's articulation and expression marks.

    • @cathbadmusic8489
      @cathbadmusic8489 16 дней назад

      Agreed, although I don't care for the vibrato, it's a very nice performance. And this is the 6-valve C tuba Ravel had in mind. Christhard Gössling also sounds good. Super player.

  • @chrisjackson1266
    @chrisjackson1266 3 года назад +3

    Thanks for putting this together. I love how rich the F Tuba sounds next to the others. It would be my choice as a music director.

  • @bambino100011
    @bambino100011 2 года назад +2

    I always liked hearing this playing on Euphonium. :)

  • @trainliker100
    @trainliker100 2 года назад +15

    There are some very different playing styles making it a bit difficult to really compare instruments. For example, the third one was quite forceful and could almost have been direct by John Philip Sousa. Personally, I like the very mellow tuba versions that don't have any "brassiness" in their tone. I think it makes for a nice solo like the usually mellow sound of a French horn (or just "horn" for the purists) makes for good solos.

    • @TheJH1015
      @TheJH1015 2 года назад +2

      yeah, having a trombonist play the euphonium does create that issue, they end up fighting the instrument instead of working with it and create a lot of forced sound :/

    • @Dairico132
      @Dairico132 2 года назад +1

      Yeah, I understand about the euphonium one. It's the trombonist playing the euphonium only for this piece, so it sounds more like a trombone than an euphonium.

  • @Souadani310
    @Souadani310 3 года назад +4

    German baritone horn and euphonium were the best ones for me 😊

  • @Tubajubaduba
    @Tubajubaduba 3 года назад +5

    F tuba is the best sounding one of these 4 by a quite a long shot imo. It produces a, in my opinion, warmer sound the envelops the sound of the orchestra more. As well Alessandro Fossi is a very good player. I do have to agree with some other people in these comments though, as while the F tuba sound the best imo it can be very difficult to consistently play the high G sharps well and stylisticly. All the performances were great though!

  • @Elanharp
    @Elanharp 3 года назад +4

    All very beautiful! Personally, I like the F Tuba best, it has such a big sound which allows each note to blend into the next.

  • @hooviedoovie5220
    @hooviedoovie5220 3 года назад +4

    I may just be biased towards the Mariss Jansons/BRS recording cuz it’s my favorite recording of pictures, but i love how that euph player performed the solo, as well as the accompaniment not being too forward.

    • @freonxkipper
      @freonxkipper 3 года назад

      It seems to me the solist is a bit out of breath. (taking a deep breath just before break 2 and before break 5)

  • @mjackstewart
    @mjackstewart 3 года назад +6

    I liked the euphonium best, although he was a trombonist first or had started out as a euphoniumist but who lost his sense of the euphonium style.
    Then the F tuba. Wonderful, rich sound, but blends in to the texture so well that it becomes lost.
    Then the German baritone. Nice sound, but dry.
    Then the French tuba, a quivering bowl of Jell-O (TM).
    I also think they ALL didn’t play the legati well-they put space between the notes, which made their interpretations very dry.

  • @pi3r8en70
    @pi3r8en70 11 месяцев назад +2

    Alessandro Fossi rules

  • @TenorCantusFirmus
    @TenorCantusFirmus 3 года назад +12

    I probably like euphonium the best, after all that is the closest there's to a "Swiss/French/piccolo" tuba in C (Wessex still makes them, but by now they're a rare instrument). The modern "bass" tuba in F can approach this solo, expecially given the advancements in performing techniques, but being the euphonium in the best part of its range, I find it to project much better, and by consequence to be much better in making itself being heard above the rest of the orchestra.

    • @RetiredBrass
      @RetiredBrass 3 года назад +4

      Well, of all 4 instruments featured in this video, the French tuba in C is closest to a French tuba in C...

    • @TenorCantusFirmus
      @TenorCantusFirmus 3 года назад +2

      @@RetiredBrass I meant, among nowadays' most widespred instruments.

    • @RetiredBrass
      @RetiredBrass 3 года назад

      @@TenorCantusFirmus In that case, I agree.

  • @mr.starfish4965
    @mr.starfish4965 3 года назад +31

    I probably have a personal bias as a euphonium player, but here is my personal ranking.
    1. Euphonium - I think it projects the best without being too direct of a sound.
    2. F Tuba - while it sounds more full, it’s a bit too broad of a sound to cut through the orchestra as well in my opinion.
    3. German Baritone - Similar to the Euphonium, but I think it’s a tad too direct for this solo.
    4. French C Tuba - I know this is the original instrument the solo was written for, but I think it’s too direct in the recording on here.
    Edit: All of these instruments have dark sounds in my opinion but I’m more talking about the focus in each sound. Also, thank you for letting me know about an older recording. I didn’t know that recording existed, so I’ll probably listen to it in its entirety.

    • @mjackstewart
      @mjackstewart 3 года назад

      This is the only correct answer.

  • @handavid6421
    @handavid6421 3 года назад +5

    I often wonder what composers such as Bach would have achieved if they had had such instruments and the capabilities of the player.

  • @ariannagorbet6674
    @ariannagorbet6674 3 года назад +38

    Imagine Bydlo being played on a instrument like the bassoon. It would sound beautiful.

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад +18

      May be, but for me tuba is better

    • @forveillelier
      @forveillelier 3 года назад +1

      Are you bassonists?

    • @ariannagorbet6674
      @ariannagorbet6674 3 года назад +2

      @@forveillelier No, not even close. I’m a bassoon fan

    • @forveillelier
      @forveillelier 3 года назад +1

      @@ariannagorbet6674 i am french hornist. And I practicing Bydlo. I think it can sound beatiful.

    • @ariannagorbet6674
      @ariannagorbet6674 3 года назад

      @@forveillelier Nice

  • @forveillelier
    @forveillelier 3 года назад +1

    The second was perfect and the last one was perfect and elegant.

  • @ClearStreamsUK
    @ClearStreamsUK 4 года назад +29

    German Tenor horn. French C has notorious intonation problems. F Tuba, good but don't have an off day!

  • @diegoratto6733
    @diegoratto6733 3 года назад +3

    Thank you for this video. Great idea!

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад +1

      Many thanks! Hope to make interesting videos. Enjoy the other videos if you want

  • @jttrumpet55
    @jttrumpet55 3 года назад +8

    As nice as the tuba solo was, I still like the clarity of the euphonium and baritone as that is more suited for their register

  • @Mad5cout
    @Mad5cout 3 года назад +21

    Can I just point out that this is not really a comparison of instruments but a comparison of players? One of the main issues with all of these recordings is that #2 and 3 the Baritone and Euphonium (respectively) were played by trombonists and #4 the euphonium was played by the tuba player. If they actually hired a professional euphonium player to play this, there wouldn't be a question at all.

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад +3

      yes, but bydlo is always played in orchestra and the euphonium is played by trombonist

    • @Mad5cout
      @Mad5cout 3 года назад +10

      ​@@tubagabrii 1) Trombonists are not automatically qualified to play euphonium. There are many who are good at both, but that is not a universal. As someone who has played both for several decades, I can tell you that the type of air used and preferred sound quality for each is different. Just because they know which fingerings to press down and they use similar mouthpieces doesn't make them qualified or this an equal comparison 2) Orchestras can hire someone to come in. Listen to professional euphonium soloists or players in a military band and you will note they sound significantly better than the players in this video.

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад +1

      yes i know and i share you're idea. but i wanted to compare the most "usual ways" of playing the piece. As you can see the Berliner Philharmoniker (!!!) has opted for an internal instrumentalist, and like the berliner also many orchestras entrust the part to the trombonist or tuba of the orchestra.

    • @euphinism1
      @euphinism1 3 года назад +2

      True. Most orchestras can't/ won't spring for the money!

    • @Mad5cout
      @Mad5cout 3 года назад +2

      @@euphinism1 They'll drop 10x as much on a violinist or soprano solist.

  • @andrelucas2208
    @andrelucas2208 3 года назад +3

    Muito bonito ver como um trecho pode ser tocado em várias formas diferentes.

  • @its_shxblvrbs1786
    @its_shxblvrbs1786 3 месяца назад

    I’d be interested to hear this solo played on one of those euphonium sized F Tubas

  • @realsynth-classicalmusic
    @realsynth-classicalmusic 3 года назад +26

    What is overlooked is that not every tubist gets up to the high g sharp so easily. Comparatively speaking, it is like the trumpet part in the 2nd Brandenburg. Not everyone can do it.

    • @euphinism1
      @euphinism1 2 года назад +1

      Not such a horror story on the F tuba. CC or BBb? Absolutely!

  • @JonatasMonte
    @JonatasMonte 3 года назад +2

    Goes to show that each instrument has it's own sound. Even if they're playing the same passage.

  • @mooretuba
    @mooretuba 2 года назад +2

    Unfortunate to limit the performances to only those 4 with videos. Some might like our 1991 Atlanta Symphony recording with then-Music Director Yoel Levi. Bydlo was done in a single take. Instrument: extremely rare Schilke F, a horn I only use for that and "The Bear." At 11:00 on the track.

  • @ianwelch2888
    @ianwelch2888 3 года назад +2

    It’s either the tuba or the German baritone horn for me for the best take. The euphonium just doesn’t suit it, too bright for it. The tuba and baritone horn are wonderfully dark and soft sounds perfect for the style of the piece

    • @Mad5cout
      @Mad5cout 3 года назад +2

      It's because the euphoniums were played by a bass trombonist and a tuba player. blech.

    • @xaitat
      @xaitat 4 месяца назад

      The baritone as an instrument is brighter then the euphonium, in this case it's mostly a matter of player

  • @sorabjiorchestralmusic
    @sorabjiorchestralmusic 3 года назад +33

    None of the above, they're all too beautiful. This is a straining ox! Sound best when played by an amateur on a big insturment who actually struggles to play the part and reach the high notes. That's the way I've always done it.

    • @euphinism1
      @euphinism1 3 года назад +2

      Me too, except when I did it, the euph and the tuba were both a strain. LOL

    • @kathykapsner3897
      @kathykapsner3897 3 года назад +2

      Great comment! As a flute player who has recently taken up the baritone (community band level), I really got a laugh out of this comment.

    • @euphinism1
      @euphinism1 3 года назад +1

      @@kathykapsner3897 Odd things happen! In college, my friends and roommates all played guitars. We'd sit around and play music and sing, but I couldn't seem to make the tuba or euphonium work in that situation. I bought a flute (Gemeinhardt 2SH) and life was good!

  • @christopherhovis9926
    @christopherhovis9926 3 года назад +7

    I like the euphonium for it, but the player in the video, i didn't really understand as much. I felt he played far too brightly and too pointed

    • @Mad5cout
      @Mad5cout 3 года назад +3

      They aren't actually euphonium players is the problem.

  • @tobysimard9638
    @tobysimard9638 3 года назад +9

    This was originally orchestrated for the French C Tuba. I'd say if you can't get yourself one of those, you could play that on the German Baritone and get close enough, but if you don't have one of those, hopefully you're good enough at F tuba to get those high notes. If you're not, I guess settle for euphonium.

  • @petedenton9434
    @petedenton9434 3 года назад +2

    Interesting debate on here and lots of great comments.
    For me this is the tip of two related icebergs that a good orchestral tuba player encounters:
    1. Because the tuba (and it's precursors) evolved in parallel in different countries, how close the the instrument the composer would have expected should we go? Instruments vary from C (France), F (some German and some English), Eb (some other English), CC & BBb (some other German and most American) plus cimbasso (Italy) (of which modern 'cimbasso' models are a 'best guess' based on minimal historic artecfacts and records) and ophicleide (Mendelssohn and Berlioz). Should a tuba player have a fleet of instruments and use the one closest to something that's historically accurate? Should they have just a couple (something small and something large) that will do a good enough job for most stuff? Maybe they can only afford one instrument?
    2. Bore inflation is a thing! What was considered a large bore brass instrument 50 or 60 years ago is simply average now (or maybe even small). Orchestral trombones have got bigger and fatter. You only need to compare a Holton TR185 bass trombone from the 1970s (as played by Frank Mathison on the first Star Wars movie) with a Rath R9 bass trombone of today to get the idea. No use playing the Rite of Spring on a small tuba (first performed in Paris, a small French C tuba is likely to have been used) if you're trying to balance with a 21st century wall of trumpet and trombone sound.
    For me, tuba choice has to be a section decision so it works best with what everyone else is playing.
    In terms of this solo, I'd be tempted to test out a small travel tuba in F so you get lightness of a smaller instrument but the strain of playing that high in the instrument's range (noting the reference to a straining ox in the picture). You may be surprised but I have used this tactic for the ophicleide part in Midsummer Night's Dream Overture (where there are no trombones so no need to blend with their sound) - with a surprised and very happy conductor.

    • @SamuelPlaysBrass
      @SamuelPlaysBrass 3 года назад +1

      The "travel tuba" idea is a brilliant one for achieving the compactness of sound while keeping the upper register fogginess! Seems like a good choice for cimbasso parts in Italian opera as well as opheclide as mentioned.

    • @petedenton9434
      @petedenton9434 3 года назад +1

      @@SamuelPlaysBrass Thanks. I have a Wessex (Jinbao made I think) Cimbasso when needed but the travel tuba certainly worked a treat for an ophicleide part where there was no need to match trombone sound and volume.

    • @xaitat
      @xaitat 4 месяца назад

      I swear you guys try to do everything not to have euphoniums in orchestra lol

  • @jasoncostello1535
    @jasoncostello1535 3 года назад +14

    The euphonium player sounds like a trombonist playing euphonium unfortunately

  • @danilocosta8594
    @danilocosta8594 11 месяцев назад +1

    Bravo bravo❤❤

  • @Euphonium_BY
    @Euphonium_BY 3 года назад +2

    Euphonium top ❤️

  • @windinhishairJ3
    @windinhishairJ3 3 года назад +2

    Good post!

  • @ikmarchini
    @ikmarchini 3 года назад +4

    My question is: how can these tremendous musicians play around some of these conductors?

    • @brassholio
      @brassholio 3 года назад +1

      It's best not to look at them sometimes

  • @danielbalsam2938
    @danielbalsam2938 3 года назад +4

    As a bass-trombonist, I opine that the question posed does not elicit the right answers relative to the musical problem at hand. The better question would be: what is the tonal and emotional experience that I, the orchestral arranger of this piano work, wish to infuse in my listeners in order to make the them feel the ambiance, mood, and emotional overtones of the Bydlo painting obsevered? It is this musical portrayal of the ox cart in a muddy field with stormy, Spring skies, and the juxtaposition of the imagined, anthropomorphized, acceptance and surrender of the oxen to their prescribed agricultural role, in which the tonal aspiration of the Bydlo melody must be contemplated. Each one of the four interpretations yields a different experience of the pastral scene. I am not sure any draw me into the scene as captivatingly as I expect. I think the tonal and *textral contrast* between the melody in the C Tuba and rhythm and harmony in the string basses is key to getting the mood right. Of all the live interpretations I have witnessed heretofore (in major musical metropolises), I think Eugene Ormandy and his Philadelphia Orchestra came closest to portraying Bydlo most viscerally, most poignantly. And no one in my memory has delivered as haunting, as melancholic, as somber, as gloomy a melodic interpretation of Bydlo as Glenn Dodson did euphonium. His was the paragon portrayl.

  • @davidcourreges2595
    @davidcourreges2595 3 года назад +2

    Even as a euphonium player (who knows this excerpt quite well), the F tuba wins the day, for certain. The euphonium and saxhorn (French C tuba) were not being played by euph players, and had intonation issues (the G# was pinched and a tad sharp), and the Wagner tuba just sounded puny.

    • @kevinsolis7862
      @kevinsolis7862 3 года назад +6

      Just so you know. That’s not a Wagner tuba. Mouthpiece is way too big. That’s a German baritone.

    • @davidcourreges2595
      @davidcourreges2595 3 года назад

      @@kevinsolis7862 Thanknyou

    • @VasilBelezhkov
      @VasilBelezhkov 3 года назад

      @@kevinsolis7862 Thanks for clearance! I also thought about the lower of the 2 Wagner tubas...

    • @Apfelstrudl
      @Apfelstrudl 3 года назад +4

      When you want to give an "expert" comment but don't even know what's a Wagnertuba and what's a German Tenorhorn (or Bariton if you like)

    • @TimothyReeves
      @TimothyReeves 3 года назад +1

      Wagner tuba bell also points to the right (not to the left), same as the horn.

  • @ariannagorbet6674
    @ariannagorbet6674 3 года назад +2

    I wish low instruments like the tuba get more love. Low instruments are capable of more than just playing low all the time. Only if people would pay attention to a low instrument’s beauty.

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад

      I wish it too. Hope to be helpful with my videos

  • @zachp.3509
    @zachp.3509 10 месяцев назад +1

    I miss the french C tuba 💔

  • @forveillelier
    @forveillelier 3 года назад +1

    More videos of comparing!

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад

      If you want suggest some excerpts to compare

    • @forveillelier
      @forveillelier 3 года назад

      @@tubagabrii bro, I've been thinking about the trombone solo of the ravel bolero and the French horn solo in bramhs 3. But it doesn't convince me much.

    • @claudialier1199
      @claudialier1199 3 года назад +1

      @@tubagabrii yes please more videos of comparing!

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад +2

      @@claudialier1199 please wait, i take a break until august because i'm preparing my graduation

  • @martint7554
    @martint7554 3 года назад +1

    Fossi rules 👌

  • @bambino100011
    @bambino100011 8 месяцев назад

    I prefer a tuba or euphonium on this. :)

  • @mirkojorgovic
    @mirkojorgovic 6 месяцев назад

    F-tuba can play this part if good player used it. Eb- tuba maybe, CC and BBb are not useful for such passages. However Euph, baritone and French 6 valved C- euphonium are more regular historical. Ravel wrote for 6 valved C- euphonium, not for F- bass.

  • @zulfannaufalnashwan
    @zulfannaufalnashwan 2 года назад +1

    i like this music

  • @mirkojorgovic
    @mirkojorgovic 7 месяцев назад

    Euphonium and German Baritone were best; French's tuba is also interesting option

  • @utvpoop
    @utvpoop 3 года назад +5

    This is not the question of sounding well. Ravel may have put the theme for tuba because he wanted the tubist to suffer as much as the old cow drawing the cart full of stuff to the market (which is the meaning of the movement).
    I remember the story told by Slava Rostropovich. He helped Prokofiev orchestrating one of his pieces. Once Slava spotted the extremely low note at the trumpet part. He said: "Sergey Sergeevich, you may have made a mistake". Prokofiev answered: "It's all right. Just imagine the trumpeter's cheeks and red face when he plays the note!"

    • @xaitat
      @xaitat 4 месяца назад

      Ravel wrote it for the French C Tuba(the one used in the 4th) which is closer to a modern Euphonium

  • @Finetales
    @Finetales 2 года назад

    Judging by the other comments I'm in the minority for this, but I loved the vibrato in the last clip. So authentically French. Of course it's a Russian piece only orchestrated by a Frenchman, but if you listen to old recordings of Russian orchestras they have a similar approach to brass solo vibrato.
    I personally don't care for the F tuba sound on this as much as euphonium or the real deal French tuba. I'd prefer a darker euphonium sound than that one though.

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  2 года назад

      Thanks for your commment, I really appreciated it. Very interesting
      P.S. Ninetales is beautiful ahah

  • @forveillelier
    @forveillelier 2 года назад +2

    Do you remember what is the number model of the german baritone horn? I think its Alexander, but i dont know what model it is, and the original video was deleted.

  • @SatchmoStrut
    @SatchmoStrut 3 года назад +6

    F tuba my favorite. I love the ethereal quality. I've also heard it live on F tuba with similar results. The German baritone is a close second. The euphoniums have too much of a trombone timbre.

    • @tuipaopao
      @tuipaopao 3 года назад

      Maybe he used trombone mouthpiece on the euphonium.

    • @TheJH1015
      @TheJH1015 3 года назад +1

      that's most likely because most of the time trombone players play that part. And they blow too much 'through' the instrument instead of filling it up like real euphonium players do, so their sound is always very bright.

  • @stephenerickson8107
    @stephenerickson8107 2 года назад

    All great performances but the 2nd one does it for me. The tone is just a bit more forward than the F tuba or euph.

  • @benseac
    @benseac 9 месяцев назад

    I'm probably biased given I play the tuba but the tuba version was the best.

  • @jomarluke
    @jomarluke 3 года назад +5

    French C tuba all the way! Why not ophicleide? That would have a more eerie, distant, ox cart sound.

  • @davidpitchford6510
    @davidpitchford6510 Год назад

    Tuba/d I can't tell or follow all of the distinctions between all of these instruments.

  • @DARLANMDS
    @DARLANMDS 3 года назад +1

    Euphonium top

  • @Evgenij_Pavenko
    @Evgenij_Pavenko 2 года назад +2

    Я украинец. На нашем языке, "Bydlo" означает "тяговый скот, или волы". В переносном смысле - необразованный рабочий народ, подобно "rednecks" в США.

  • @ryanrhodes4213
    @ryanrhodes4213 Месяц назад +1

    Bass tuba, by far. No comparison.

  • @forveillelier
    @forveillelier 3 года назад

    Bydlo is a piece that doesn't have to sound delicate, nice (that is, it has to sound like that) but I mean that you have to play it thinking about the cart, the steps of the animal, thinking it as robust, just like Hansjorg did, it sounds good detailed in the first 2 bars.

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад +1

      Perfect idea!! Playing bydlo is evoke this poor cow into the mud...

    • @forveillelier
      @forveillelier 3 года назад +1

      @@tubagabrii Exactly!

  • @yuenfung8276
    @yuenfung8276 3 года назад

    這裏馬上就聽得出華格納大號和普通大號的音質!!

  • @davidledbetter4840
    @davidledbetter4840 3 года назад +4

    A Euphonium (primary) player or a Tubist. Using a trombonist (either on trombone or euphonium) simply isn’t the answer - simply too much edge for the passage.

  • @Heyitsurpaljason
    @Heyitsurpaljason 10 месяцев назад

    I’m not a fan of the euph one. I feel like he starts so loud and stays that dynamic. Doesn’t give the impression that the cart is moving closer. And his sound is really bright? There are moments in the german baritone one that I think sounds more like a euph than his performamce.

    • @xaitat
      @xaitat 4 месяца назад

      Probably because its a mainly trombone player

  • @requestrashad7463
    @requestrashad7463 3 года назад +1

    Maybe I'm incorrect but I thought sure the second one was a Wagner tuba. Anyway. That's the one that sounded the best to me. It Sounded very sweet.

    • @Mad5cout
      @Mad5cout 3 года назад +1

      It was a true baritone, not a Wagner tuba. In other words, it is a primarily cylindrical bore instrument (which is why the tubing in the body looks smaller and more loosely wrapped), rather than conical like a euphonium.

    • @euphinism1
      @euphinism1 3 года назад +1

      I think the Wagner tuba is a type of French horn, not so much a real tuba...

    • @euphinism1
      @euphinism1 3 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/BNcajRV4sfc/видео.html

    • @euphinism1
      @euphinism1 3 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/BNcajRV4sfc/видео.html

    • @danielduggan5405
      @danielduggan5405 3 года назад

      @@euphinism1 You're correct. The Bb Wagner tuba is a 5th below the French horn and the F Wagner tuba is an octave below and are played by French horn players. Also notice that the Wagner tubas are fingered using the left hand because of this, whereas the rest of the brass family uses the right hand.

  • @beatricemiles7446
    @beatricemiles7446 2 года назад

    euph is my favorite

  • @dongweilin5393
    @dongweilin5393 7 месяцев назад

    Was this piece of music played by someone using a bass saxophone?

  • @dominikdanda7863
    @dominikdanda7863 3 года назад +3

    I think Euphonium is best in general, but I think the tone of the player in the video was way too sharp.

    • @claudialier1199
      @claudialier1199 3 года назад

      Because HansJorg is trombonist.
      Christard too

    • @dominikdanda7863
      @dominikdanda7863 3 года назад

      @@claudialier1199 Yeah, sometimes I wish they would hire actual euphonium players for parts like these.

  • @fasanov123
    @fasanov123 3 года назад +3

    For me, one of my favorite versions was hearing it played on a sax. It gave it such a different color

    • @hugofritz8238
      @hugofritz8238 3 года назад

      this could be actually been played on Alto, Tenor or Bari. Do you remember which one it was? Tenor would be the easiest.

    • @danilojulianocosta2161
      @danilojulianocosta2161 2 года назад

      Estragaria o solo

  • @paulmeneely
    @paulmeneely 3 года назад +1

    F tuba for me.

  • @angelmendez6638
    @angelmendez6638 2 года назад

    Para mí la versión del bombardino, le pilla ideal en tesitura, y es un instrumento más profundo que los otros 2, la tuba en fa (o bombardón) queda más forzado.

  • @superkarifragilistic
    @superkarifragilistic 2 года назад

    f tuba is the best sounding tuba

  • @mencey1981
    @mencey1981 2 года назад

    El papel está escrito para bombardino (euphonium) así que lo debería de tocar un bombardinista. Para mi este punto es importantísimo, en la grabación lo toca un tombonista, un tubista, pero un bombardinista? Lo dudo.
    Partiendo de esta base es muy difícil hacer una comparativa.
    Para hacer una comparación real el mismo instrumentista debería de repetir ese fragmento musical con los diferentes instrumentos a comparar.
    Dicho esto, no me gusta ninguna de las versiones aquí grabadas, solamente por es sonido y el timbre se nota que ninguno estudia el bombardino (euphonium)

  • @rnhtube
    @rnhtube 3 года назад

    The hecks a french tuba

  • @windinhishairJ3
    @windinhishairJ3 3 года назад

    Is it possible that the 4th performance was on French tuba and not a euphonium? If you've ever heard Pictures played with a French tuba, it will explain the part a lot. My teacher (in a top 5 American orchestra) said he was happy to let one of the trombone players have the part but played it himself many times. He always used a 6/4 American tuba but that's just what you did back in those days.

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  2 года назад

      Not is a French tuba. In those years was the common tuba used in French, watch the 3+3 pistons (on the right). Watch the entire performance using the link in description

  • @DJmcRUSH
    @DJmcRUSH 10 дней назад

    Performing this on a tuba is sacrilegious. Euphonium is the only option

  • @itznoxy7193
    @itznoxy7193 8 месяцев назад

    I wish you labelled them.

  • @nicholasneyhart396
    @nicholasneyhart396 3 года назад +6

    Here is my ranking
    1.Euphonium
    2.F Tuba
    3.French C Tuba
    4.Baritone Horn

    • @mr.starfish4965
      @mr.starfish4965 3 года назад +1

      Pretty similar to my ranking, but I swapped the bottom. I do see the merit in having the French C Tuba though

  • @afglorty209
    @afglorty209 3 года назад

    最初チューバでやってたね
    凄い!

  • @penguinexpress12
    @penguinexpress12 3 года назад +7

    I’m a clarinetist what am I doing here

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад

      The tuba attracts everyone ahahahahah

    • @penguinexpress12
      @penguinexpress12 3 года назад +1

      Gabriele_D. I was actually here for the German Baritone Horn

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад

      @@penguinexpress12 nice instrument too

    • @penguinexpress12
      @penguinexpress12 3 года назад +1

      Gabriele_D. Nah just kidding I was here for the Bydlo

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад

      @@penguinexpress12 ahahahahahah ok

  • @Nullllus
    @Nullllus 3 года назад +2

    The piece is called 'knucklehead' in Russian. This 'knucklehead' is looking at the pictures and doesn't get them. I think tuba does the best job conveying the mood.
    UPD: also 'bydlo' usually are lower class citizens who are very frequent to be drunk in public (as, I'm sure, in this case). So, another point for tuba

    • @utvpoop
      @utvpoop 2 года назад

      I think it's rather "lifestock" in Polish in this context. But who knows, the true art has always been multipolar.

    • @Nullllus
      @Nullllus 2 года назад

      @@utvpoop It isn't. Russian 'bydlo' has a distinct history of being a slur for lower class or narrow-minded people. It can mean lifestock in Russian as well but very-very rarely (usually 'skot' or "скот" is used).

  • @dandy1954
    @dandy1954 4 месяца назад

    Alessandro fossi numero 1 in assoluto

  • @mikze123
    @mikze123 3 года назад +4

    Baritone best

  • @forveillelier
    @forveillelier 3 года назад +1

    Tuba sounds like ppp

  • @Felix-nh5pw
    @Felix-nh5pw Год назад

    4:44 the vibrato is ridiculous

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  Год назад

      vibrato old style ahahahah

    • @Teladian2
      @Teladian2 14 дней назад

      It was the style at the time, that has changed. The Sound of the instrument though is the right one.

  • @nobunaga1950
    @nobunaga1950 3 года назад

    Gergiev, whose Crimea?

  • @sethwexler6910
    @sethwexler6910 3 года назад

    I kinda liked the Wagner Tuba.

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад +1

      is not wagner tuba

    • @sethwexler6910
      @sethwexler6910 3 года назад

      Beg to differ. Look at 1:37. It Is a Wagner tuba. I’ve played many pieces with it in the orchestration and I know what one looks like.

    • @johannschilf2113
      @johannschilf2113 3 года назад +3

      @@sethwexler6910 It isn't. It's a german Baritonhorn. It looks similar but you use the valves with your right hand using trombonesize mouthpiece and the bore i slightly wider.

    • @sethwexler6910
      @sethwexler6910 3 года назад

      @@johannschilf2113 thank you. I stand corrected.👍👌✌️

  • @pagorami5253
    @pagorami5253 3 года назад

    f tuba is the best. by faaaarrr

  • @martin1024
    @martin1024 3 года назад +1

    you have to play on a Bb Tuba or Contrabass Trombone at least, if not Contrabassoon...it must be a struggle, a fight in the arena

  • @tom2tones223
    @tom2tones223 3 года назад

    Someone should play this on a Wagner tuba

    • @tubagabrii
      @tubagabrii  3 года назад

      Mhhh... i don't know. Is a different instrument