I wonder if they are related to MKE at all, theoretically MKE is the cheapest you can get, so why would this be even cheaper, maybe MKE was overcharging but it makes me cautious as to what corners were cut
Very big gamble, if MKE clones are anything to go by. Nice range guns but I wouldn't trust em' for anything serious. I hope SDS can handle QC and customer service better than Century Arms, because a lot of consumers will be needing it.
Looks like Tisa's beat PSA to the punch with the MP5 clones. They are killing it with the 2011s, the .380, and the m2 clone. I have a Stingray in.45 and it's awesome.
PSA cancelled the MP5 clone. They said it wasn't cost effective with all the other clones on the market. They already have their niches when it comes to clones, no point in battling against 4 or 5 other companies.
@@rodiculous9464 Saying PSA isn't skilled is a joke in 2024. They produce more firearms than any other manufacturer in the country. Constantly bringing new guns to the market.. Time to hop off the hate bandwagon and accept they're a good company with good firearms.
Well why are you still there? Seriously, the more of you that actually value our constitutional rights leave, the less taxpayers there are propping that place up, and the sooner it collapses.
That B380 is now on the list. I would also love to buy a spare 1911 slide for my B9R straight from Tisas that has an optic cut instead of sending my original slide out to be milled.
Just found your channel because of this video, so new subscriber too. I don't have much experience with Tisas but I have been eyeballing the PX9 and PX9 Carry. Also that M4 clone shotgun was sweet. My first time seeing those. Thanks for the content.
Damn Tisas and PSA brought some heat this year. I didn’t expect it. Meanwhile HK still being like… look at our VP9 from 2016 and FN making dozens of variations off their 509 platform still.
I like my 1911 from Tisas. It's the only thing that I have from them, but I really like it, and for the price it's freaking excellent! Might have to pick a few more offering from them!
I own one of their raider 1911's and I'm gettign ready to pick up there D10 model, I honestly believe that they are overlooked in the 1911 market they are building better stuff then kimber.
the double-stack SF Night Stalker, as far as price and look and feature set, looks like a big winner to me those PX9s have a pretty good rep cost-effective MP5 clones, if they work well enough, will sell like hotcakes
Two MP5’s I’ve always wanted to see on Market, but literally no one makes asides from one-off customs, is a 5.7x28 MP5 and an MP5 with an HK33 length handguard on a 16” barrel so it won’t look so crap.
5.7 probably wouldn't even be strong enough to cycle the roller delayed action, also it's too long to fit the magazine well so it would look like dogcrap. There's also the part where its an overpriced dog crap caliber......
This is huge win for both the consumer and manufacturers. Im novice (as a couple of pals) to the arms community. These guys are getting consumers that are first timers and eager to get into this. That 2nd Amendment is alive and well. Just look at all these budget friendly (well done?), updated pistols and rifles.
Maybe the SDS will be better than the current Zenith. I know they're there, because Caleb said they were gearing up to go last week. Tell them I want my damn replacement parts.
I would bet these are literally just MKE manufactured guns. It’s just another import company moving them. Which if they can be even cheaper than century im all for it. If they are they are good to go. Love my AP5.
The m4 clone seems cool. I am not a shotgun guy, i got my mav 88 to keep my bases covered, no way i would spend money on a real m4, but a clone thats within impulse buy price range and similar quality is very intriguing
look into the panzer m4 it's priced at 450 bucks, it takes benelli m4 parts (mine has some and I'm gonna be adding more here soon) I have 300 rounds through mine and I haven't had an issue. It even shoots the cheap federal red box walmart bulk ammo.
@@GearKnowHow That's going to be an even tougher sell until there's a lot of range time on them. Interested to know what tooling they're using and how compatible they are with MP5 replacement parts. The MKE's are cross compatible and are pretty reliable now. Not like the old Zenith days.
What I want to see is more affordable subcompact 2011's like the Bul Armory SAS II Ultra Lite. They are flooding the market with full size and even commander length but so far Bul and Staccato are the only option for subcompact 2011/DS1911. Seems like an untapped market in an otherwise deluge of full size offerings.
@@jason200912 the Bul Armory SAS II UL? Of course it has a big grip, it's a double stack 1911. 1911/2011 size designations are based on barrel length not grip size so big grip yes, but 3.25" barrel AND a shorter grip than the full size aka subcompact aka officer size.
@@jason200912 the SAS II Ultra Lite and the SAS II Tac Pro do use different size grip modules. One uses the compact grip module that has a 16 round capacity and the other uses the full size grip module that has a 19 round capacity. Yes it's big and as big as some other guns but it's as small as your going to get in this platform so far. I'm not opposed to a smaller grip frame though.
@@rodiculous9464 Clueless and broke ehh? Interesting thought. I would love to hear how PSA’s dagger line is any less quality than a factory glock 19/17 plastic. 🤔 And iv seen plenty of psa uppers perform 1-1.5moa with bulk ammo just like DD, KAC and LMT gucci builds. Explain….. Thats like bashing on kia owners because they paid less than a benz owner did and got the same performance. 🤷🏻♂️
Can you possibly stop by the HK booth to ask if there are any updates on their smaller pistol? I believe it’s about the size of a P365. I kept hearing things, but nothing in a while. Thank you 🙏
MAC throws me off. When you said MAC I figured you were referring to the older MAC10 type designs. Didn't realize at first that is part of the companies name. The Mp5 strikes my interest. As for the shotguns. These being made in Turkey by the same manufacters as all the others? Just with a different quality control process to meet manufacturers requirements? When it comes to Semi auto shotguns I am well covered already.from a Mossberg decked out 930 Blackwater edition to a Benelli M2 and M4. I am currently considering a Beretta. But the MP5 clone is a dream gun for me and I will seriously consider one of these. I had a PTR which was a bastard of a firearm to work with. I had all kinds of failures. I suppose I was just unlucky. Ended up trading it back in as I grew tired of it very quickly...
I hope they are cheaper than AP5 i was hearing cheaper than century arms. Why bring another 1k gun to the market. I want a H&K clone but who can help the common man here?
I noticed how he addressed the question if they were just another "turk-anelli" by avoiding the question. I immediately thought "yup, another crappy rebadged turk-anelli".
I'm excited to see these clones Jst like motorcycles woth grom clones and stuff they ate good for us poor guys to own something cool .hopefully they work well..and the gatekeeper brand snobs can whine.... as we get older we dnt care as much about being cool..we jst like whay we like..and want reliable products...this era has become the best nanda worst time to be a human..
If the mp5 clone works well that thing will sell out faster than they can make them.
Made where a lot of their stuff is made and for Turkey clones, it feels solid!
💯 love it
i expect to not see any of these at my local firearms retailers anytime soon
I wonder if they are related to MKE at all, theoretically MKE is the cheapest you can get, so why would this be even cheaper, maybe MKE was overcharging but it makes me cautious as to what corners were cut
You can bet they will try to sell them for 3k on GB.
Looks like Tisas is going to change there game big time if they all work properly.
Very big gamble, if MKE clones are anything to go by. Nice range guns but I wouldn't trust em' for anything serious.
I hope SDS can handle QC and customer service better than Century Arms, because a lot of consumers will be needing it.
Nice stuff. I want the MP5 clone. I carried an MP5 in the US Army in the 1980s.
The MKE and PTRs are nice, definitely worth it. Can be had on sale for around $1,000.
Everyone (except Glock) brought their A Game to shot show 2024. Absolutely wonderful things are happening for the 2A community.
HK left their game at home.
Everything is a rip off clone of old stuff and Glock.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@@Ren505nm And yet we see other manufacturers doing it better for just as much or less.
@@Ren505nmwe want old stuff
CZ didn't seem to show up either.
Looks like Tisa's beat PSA to the punch with the MP5 clones. They are killing it with the 2011s, the .380, and the m2 clone. I have a Stingray in.45 and it's awesome.
PSA cancelled the MP5 clone. They said it wasn't cost effective with all the other clones on the market. They already have their niches when it comes to clones, no point in battling against 4 or 5 other companies.
PSA has already stated that they aren't moving forward with the mp5 clone
@@DeimosPCthey're not cost effective for PSA because mp5s actually require qc and skilled craftsmen to build 😂
@@rodiculous9464 Saying PSA isn't skilled is a joke in 2024. They produce more firearms than any other manufacturer in the country. Constantly bringing new guns to the market..
Time to hop off the hate bandwagon and accept they're a good company with good firearms.
PSA mp5 is the PSA ar-v 9mm, it's not exact but it's the closest to a PSA mp5 there is.
$1100 mp5, i think that will sell a lot....too bad we can not have that here in california :(
Well why are you still there? Seriously, the more of you that actually value our constitutional rights leave, the less taxpayers there are propping that place up, and the sooner it collapses.
Mke has their mp5 clones for 1200 as well..
Century has already been selling them for that much for a couple of years now
You can have anything you want in CA, you simply need to have the will.
I will never understand why good people stay. Leave because the weather isn’t so amazing that it cancels out the communism and crap covered streets.
That B380 is now on the list. I would also love to buy a spare 1911 slide for my B9R straight from Tisas that has an optic cut instead of sending my original slide out to be milled.
Shot show seems like the place to be awesome. Great content, very informative
Might have to grab that full size MP5 to go with my MKE MP5k!
Same
Just found your channel because of this video, so new subscriber too. I don't have much experience with Tisas but I have been eyeballing the PX9 and PX9 Carry. Also that M4 clone shotgun was sweet. My first time seeing those. Thanks for the content.
Damn Tisas and PSA brought some heat this year. I didn’t expect it. Meanwhile HK still being like… look at our VP9 from 2016 and FN making dozens of variations off their 509 platform still.
I like my 1911 from Tisas. It's the only thing that I have from them, but I really like it, and for the price it's freaking excellent! Might have to pick a few more offering from them!
I own one of their raider 1911's and I'm gettign ready to pick up there D10 model, I honestly believe that they are overlooked in the 1911 market they are building better stuff then kimber.
@@brandondavis4306 That looks like a nice piece too. Was seriously thinking about picking one of those up.
@@MatthewHardin-m7q you won't be dissapointed with the raider I haven't tried the D10 yet still waiting for it to show up.
I have a Tisas 1911 single stack GI model and it has been a great pistol no malfunctions with 400 rounds
I'm all in on the nightstalker double stack.
I want that 5.7 tisas but with a flared magwell
I was wondering what happened to the Tisas Fatih, excited to grab one of those once they are available.
on the fire select, is this a binary trigger group?
Best Shot Show in a long time
looks like an MKE. might be subcontracted and held to a higher QC standard.
Not MKE, Mertsav.
the double-stack SF Night Stalker, as far as price and look and feature set, looks like a big winner to me
those PX9s have a pretty good rep
cost-effective MP5 clones, if they work well enough, will sell like hotcakes
Then they better get ready for lots and lots of syrup.
Bothe the MP5 and 2011 clone will be really tempting.
yes the 2011 will be tempting for 799 why wouldn't it be and I know how good tisas pistols are.
Love what they are doing. I would love to see them build something of their own. Something new and build their own pattern from the ground up.
Wait did he say when the Carry DS are dropping?
Two MP5’s I’ve always wanted to see on Market, but literally no one makes asides from one-off customs, is a 5.7x28 MP5 and an MP5 with an HK33 length handguard on a 16” barrel so it won’t look so crap.
What? Zenith and Century Arms have been bringing in the same MKE guns as this for years
Any good 5.7 pistol mag based pdw would be nice. Psa is teasing a flux style, rock based gun..
5.7 probably wouldn't even be strong enough to cycle the roller delayed action, also it's too long to fit the magazine well so it would look like dogcrap.
There's also the part where its an overpriced dog crap caliber......
I like the MP5 clone, the H&K SP5 is stupid expensive here.
It looks like the trigger on that MP5 clone may be a bit longer than most, that should eat up some of the heavy trigger pull !!
Looks like 2011s are finally entering into the "just another category of gun" with that Tisas at 800 MSRP.
This is huge win for both the consumer and manufacturers. Im novice (as a couple of pals) to the arms community. These guys are getting consumers that are first timers and eager to get into this. That 2nd Amendment is alive and well. Just look at all these budget friendly (well done?), updated pistols and rifles.
Very nice, especially for the price point!
Wait.. a double stacked 45 nightstalker? Just take my money already ❤😂
So the MP5 clone is their shipment from MKE?
Maybe the SDS will be better than the current Zenith. I know they're there, because Caleb said they were gearing up to go last week. Tell them I want my damn replacement parts.
Who makes the MP5s… Are the rebranded MKEs?
I would bet these are literally just MKE manufactured guns. It’s just another import company moving them. Which if they can be even cheaper than century im all for it. If they are they are good to go. Love my AP5.
For 1100 might as well save up and buy a ptr
The m4 clone seems cool. I am not a shotgun guy, i got my mav 88 to keep my bases covered, no way i would spend money on a real m4, but a clone thats within impulse buy price range and similar quality is very intriguing
look into the panzer m4 it's priced at 450 bucks, it takes benelli m4 parts (mine has some and I'm gonna be adding more here soon) I have 300 rounds through mine and I haven't had an issue. It even shoots the cheap federal red box walmart bulk ammo.
Nice line up...
That is supposed to have a brace on it. Braces have been and always will remain as they were and are.
I'm guessing those MP5 clones are made by MKE, like the Century AP5's. If they're not priced similarly I can't see them selling well.
Manufactured by a different factory and priced lower 👍
@@GearKnowHow That's going to be an even tougher sell until there's a lot of range time on them. Interested to know what tooling they're using and how compatible they are with MP5 replacement parts. The MKE's are cross compatible and are pretty reliable now. Not like the old Zenith days.
At this point any one make a mp5 clone should have a pic rail welded to the top
I’d be up for either the shot gun or mp5 clone
Do you happen to know if their browning hi-power BR-9 clone will be available this year?
Please let me know, thanks
Going to swing by that part of the booth today. I hear good things, but not sure on the release date yet.
Sounds awesome - thank you
Can i put that wood furniture on my M4???
mm my tippman a5 paintball gun looks more like an mp5 ... I dont like the fact that one has no forward grip.. so it looks like a pistol :-(
That MP5 looks dope Tisas might end up walking away with my tax return
What I want to see is more affordable subcompact 2011's like the Bul Armory SAS II Ultra Lite. They are flooding the market with full size and even commander length but so far Bul and Staccato are the only option for subcompact 2011/DS1911. Seems like an untapped market in an otherwise deluge of full size offerings.
It aint subcompact. It uses a Massive fullsize grip
@@jason200912 the Bul Armory SAS II UL? Of course it has a big grip, it's a double stack 1911. 1911/2011 size designations are based on barrel length not grip size so big grip yes, but 3.25" barrel AND a shorter grip than the full size aka subcompact aka officer size.
@@brandiwynter it's a full size snub barrel
@@jason200912 the SAS II Ultra Lite and the SAS II Tac Pro do use different size grip modules. One uses the compact grip module that has a 16 round capacity and the other uses the full size grip module that has a 19 round capacity. Yes it's big and as big as some other guns but it's as small as your going to get in this platform so far. I'm not opposed to a smaller grip frame though.
that doule stack tisas for 799 thats what im looking for lol
Interested!
😮 tisas coming out with an MP5 when PSA promised one years ago…. PSA missed their shot at that market share.
They don't need any more market share, they already have the "clueless and broke gun product consoomer" market on lock 😂
Yeah they did.
@@rodiculous9464
Clueless and broke ehh? Interesting thought.
I would love to hear how PSA’s dagger line is any less quality than a factory glock 19/17 plastic. 🤔
And iv seen plenty of psa uppers perform 1-1.5moa with bulk ammo just like DD, KAC and LMT gucci builds. Explain…..
Thats like bashing on kia owners because they paid less than a benz owner did and got the same performance. 🤷🏻♂️
That first shotgun he picked up has style, definitely looks like a keeper
Can you possibly stop by the HK booth to ask if there are any updates on their smaller pistol? I believe it’s about the size of a P365. I kept hearing things, but nothing in a while. Thank you 🙏
This is still MKE AP5
Thanks Tisa. Clones are great - proven designs, so take advantage of patent expirations. I sure want one of your 92 clones.
MAC throws me off. When you said MAC I figured you were referring to the older MAC10 type designs. Didn't realize at first that is part of the companies name.
The Mp5 strikes my interest.
As for the shotguns. These being made in Turkey by the same manufacters as all the others? Just with a different quality control process to meet manufacturers requirements?
When it comes to Semi auto shotguns I am well covered already.from a Mossberg decked out 930 Blackwater edition to a Benelli M2 and M4. I am currently considering a Beretta.
But the MP5 clone is a dream gun for me and I will seriously consider one of these.
I had a PTR which was a bastard of a firearm to work with. I had all kinds of failures. I suppose I was just unlucky. Ended up trading it back in as I grew tired of it very quickly...
Yeah it’s the manufacture, Military Arms Corp I believe.
STILL WAITING for the MAC5!
Just walked through their booth at GOALS and they didn’t even have it out. Supply chain issues?
I hope they are cheaper than AP5 i was hearing cheaper than century arms. Why bring another 1k gun to the market. I want a H&K clone but who can help the common man here?
Boom
It sounds like this company listened to what people were wanting.
My 3d printed ar9 accepts the challenge
I just cant understand why they didnt weld a picatinny rail on. EVERY red dot obsessed customer will need it. God forbid we use iron sights any more.
A grate gun to invade Mars with !
Glock rear sights.. Ha ha... The MP5 might be something..lol.
RELIABILITY. All that matters in a cheap import company.
I’m going to try to get one for review and run it through its paces
They make great 1911's, so these MP5s will be great too!
Those shotguns are just rebadged Black Aces Tactical shotguns
Feel slightly better than a Black Aces, I reviewed one, it was not great
I noticed how he addressed the question if they were just another "turk-anelli" by avoiding the question. I immediately thought "yup, another crappy rebadged turk-anelli".
I'm excited to see these clones
Jst like motorcycles woth grom clones and stuff they ate good for us poor guys to own something cool
.hopefully they work well..and the gatekeeper brand snobs can whine.... as we get older we dnt care as much about being cool..we jst like whay we like..and want reliable products...this era has become the best nanda worst time to be a human..
I mean its cool but I'd rather people clone/improve the mpx. Soft shooting and better all around
"USA MP5"....🤢🤮🤮
Total junk.
Now, they need to make inexpensive, quality mp5 mags.
1100 bucks for an MP5 clone?! holy shit take my money