Doncaster City/Town Centre suffering like the rest of South Yorkshire.
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- Опубликовано: 7 апр 2023
- Make your own mind up, but other than Market place and the area around the Frenchgate centre the Town centre was deserted. The High St was pretty empty. People who didn't shop in the 60s, 70s and 80s won't understand what I am saying, its it all our town centres.
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Great video thanks so much. Born and raised in Donny but left in 1996 to find work. I got made redundant from ICI (Dupont) in 1993 and struggled to find a decent job. Still got family there and it will always be home. The building you asked about was the co-op building and the Seventh Heaven (later named Karisma) nightclub was up on the top floor of that building. The pub that was a converted church was called Camelots (possible wrong spelling). Its quite sad to see it so quiet with empty shops etc. It used to be busy. Again thanks for the video and best wishes to all the folks in South Yorkshire.
Thanks for filling in the blanks for me. Seventh Heaven and Camelot. I didn't realise the Seventh heaven was on top of the Co-op I went there enough times. The Co-op building reminds me so much of an Art Deco cinema building, very unusual for a Co-op building.
I live in the Borough of Doncaster. My town has just decided to spend 3 mill on cycle and pedestrian lanes, yet the roads are atrocious.
15/20 minute cities are definitely coming.
I avoid Doncaster like the plague these days.
I got the feeling that was happening David. South Yorkshire seems to be following Sheffield. Last time I went I parked on Copley rd this time they had two hour limited parking.
@TimAWells I think doncaster recently being made a city has had a big part in it.
This pedestrianisation is happening even in the smaller towns.
The stay at home, stay safe from covid was definitely warm up for this.
You're right. We have a new variant in Norway - here we live spread over huge distances so they have effectively found another way of doing just the same, under the disingenuous guise of "improving the roads".
When they have finished "improving the roads" where I live, there will be an automatic road charge at specific points along the route - every 3 to 6 miles. Since the nearest city, in any direction of travel from the village I live in, is at least one hour's driving, in practice this is going to mean that *every single return journey* is going to cost - this is just an estimate - 21 to 25 pounds - in addition to the fuel costs for the vehicle. I don't have an electric vehicle, but frankly they are not going to be exempt from this charge forever, and due to the distances we have to drive, they will have to recharge once they get to their destination before driving back anyway. And they will get extra challenges when we have minus temperatures in the Winter. This is happening all over Norway, wherever you go. So although nobody is stopping you by Law from moving about, from about 2028 I personally will only rarely be able to travel out of my little village, simply because I won't be able to afford to do anything else. These automatic cameras and road charging points (toll) - you keep driving, they read the number plate automatically - are almost literally fencing me into the little place of 2000 people I live in.
Yes I remember it being called the arndale center. The reason why It changed the name to the French gate center is because now it's privatised so I've been told.
I called it the wrong name didn't I, I think I got mixed up with the Manchester one. Didn't they extend the Arndale centre over the ring road?
Was born there moved away after sixth form but moving back now to open up my dental practice there
Never go to Doncaster but went regularly until a few years ago they declared war on parking and made it restricted parking for residents only or severely restricted.Yes you can park in Barnsley and often free.
I am tight when it comes to parking fees, I found somewhere at the top end of Doncaster by a park and walked in from there. I couldn't find the three hour free parking in Barnsley, so same again I had to park on a side street and walk in.
I have always liked Doncaster. Even though it is officially a City now it is far more of a market town than places like Sheffield. The markets have become a bit odd though in recent years, as they have 'refurbished' the Wool Market and turned it into a expensive looking posh thing. Even the fish market has some rather fancy looking stalls now. Still, I always like going round Doncaster for my shopping. The Frenchgate centre is handy (being indoors), and there is a lot more choice than Rotherham.
I went in the car Steve, its quicker for me to cycle than go on the bus which takes 2 hrs, could get on my cycle in 45 minutes. My understanding is that the main outdoor market was turned into a car park. They ruined Bawtry a few years ago, its only cafes and restaurants. They couldn't even fill the new Mall which was once their outdoor market, gentrifying everything. Originally Sheffield had a massive market area the Haymarket and an indoor market bigger than Doncaster called the Fitzalan market Hall knocked down in the 1930s and became the C&A building. We had the Rag and Tag outdoor market that became the Sheaf and the massive Castle Market and outdoor market there and along Haymarket ad Dixon Lane. The City council have chosen to destroy our heritage.
The building you thought had been a cinema was a Co-op in its day.
If you’d have turned right at the top of Hallgate you would have come to the modern redevelopment including the excellent Danum Museum and art gallery, the Cast Theatre and cinema.
Thanks I will remember that next time.
Looks way way better now ,and the train station looks alot posher
Gone down hill over the years.
Same for all out towns. I worked around the UK for a year refitting Midland branches with the latest technology, I dread to think what has happened to all our towns. London was a lost cause in the early 90s.
I was born in Doncaster only actualy ever lived there four years out of my entire life, and since 2010, it has totally gone down hill, I remember a a thriving market which was always a joy to go around, now it has been modernised, ie: ruined. Doncaster is a hard left enclave with a very menacing air about it, currently live in one of the outlying towns, glad I do.
Same with me and Sheffield. 1st two years of my life and my first house in the 90s for 2/3 years.
26 minutes. Not the Salvation Army. It was the Post Office. I grew up here. Very sad to see how it has become. The roads are a nightmare for cars! No wonder the shops are dying out. Anyhow, I live in Norway now anyway. But definitely very sad to watch this.
What 13 years of conservative rule does to a country... criminal
Labour would be even worse. They opened the floodgates from Eastern Europe, ruined the Middle East with the Iraq war, wanted harder lockdowns and are pushing Net Zero. Labour will bring in CAZ charges for all cars if they get in power. Now thanks.
@@timawells Entirely hypothetical, I'm afraid you have no clear arguments. At the end of the day, it is the conservative, increasingly unequal reality we live in. The middle class is eroding and the top 1% have increased their wealth like never before in the history of humanity. But nahh, for you it's the migrants who have caused the downfall. Delusional
The old cinema you mention was the Co-op and above was Seventh Heaven the nightclub you mentioned. The church pub was Camelot's. I lived their from 1971 until 2012 when I move just down the road to Perth in Australia😊. The town centre is a shadow of it's former self. Used to be great but has slowly gone downhill. Usual case of the council wanting you to buy a car yet use the public transport. Knocking down carparks to force you onto public transport. People go elsewhere, shops shut and the council wonders why...
That's why I started looking elsewhere and eventually left.
Sheffield the same as Doncaster. I came into Doncaster at night in the 80s, loads of parking back then. Went in the Seventh heaven and didn't realise it was at the top of the Co-op building, it still reminds me of a big cinema though. I have heard some shocking things about Australia during lockdown, they couldn't keep us under restraint in the UK, but they appeared to keep you under strong restraint.
@@timawells Yes Doncaster was a great town for a night out in the 80s and 90s.
I think Victoria was locked down a long time but I was probably in the best place in the world at the time. Life was normal here in Perth WA (apart from wearing a mask when out and restaurants could only hold 1/2 of their normal full operation for social distancing) The only time I had to isolate was when I returned from working in PNG, Queensland or the Northern Territory. We had to self isolate for 2 weeks. It was great, BBQ beer and pool after 4 weeks away 😃🍺🍔
Best thing I ever did was emigrate.
We had an Australian coming to our anti lockdown protests in Sheffield. because it was so bad there, i never ever wore a mask because it was never law in the UK, always a choice. @@WiIIyeckerslike
the murcury used to be the DANUM HOTEL ( roman name for Doncaster )
On high street in the 1960's there where three cinemas starting with the picture house, then the Essoldo and finally at the top of the street (Hallgate) was The Gaumont cinema where they used to host shows featuring the current bands of the era. The Gaument was the last one to close. (hallgate). Now town just seems to have nail parlours and barbers then a lot of food outlets nothing more to see really. The market place is just a shadow of its former glory.
Most of SY is like that Steve. Barnsley seems to be the best, but its very soulless.
Yes you are right, it was an ARNDALE CENTER I used to work in the peter dominic wine and spirit store that was there.
Thanks Andrew for confirming. Donny isn't a place I have visited that many times, but my ex lived next to the Racecourse.
I used to work at Brodsworth main back in the 70,s.
what you thort was the old cinema 5 45 ish was the co-op , other shops as well including t j hughs !
Looked so like a Retro cinema.
It used to be an arndale center, your right mate.
That's right ,seventh heaven, first night club was Rotters , we had 10 main street in Auckley and I forget the other one in town centre.
I didn't realise it was above the Co-op building Ian, many years since I drank at Camelot and Seventh Heaven. Best Tim
south parade was where a lot of steel/iron works owners lived , the salutation was an old coaching house !
Looked a once Grand area.
The flea market used to be great on a Wednesday now theirs no stalls its pointless 😒
I was told they had turned the market into a car park, is that right.
Been for a night out their, it was ok as I had free shots given, but other than that, no atmosphere.
Doncaster council ripped the heart clean out of the town, what the hell were they thinking!
Done it to all our South Yorkshire towns, only Barnsley has survived but now very modern.
Theirs no point going shopping in Doncaster anymore especially clothes shopping
My era was the 1980s, Sheffield was packed with mens fashions shops, wouldn't have a clue where to buy mens clothes or shoes in Sheffield anymore. Its the same everywhere.
Here is a video with both the old cinema and Woolworths
ruclips.net/video/WP3cXumi0Z4/видео.html
The church is Doncaster Minster.
Its a city not a town and its a Minster not a church.
It became a city in 2022 after MP's requested it become one. But Sheffield is 4 times its size and what I consider to be a real city. I even call Sheffield town and its my home city.
37:40 Regent square home to the doctors and dentists/posh bit
Lovely up there, parked my car at the entrance to a park for free, I won't pay to park.
I thought that was the old co-op department store. Maybe a cinema but don't recall that
Some one else has said the same
@@timawells yes it was the cooperative department store and up stairs used to be the coop ballroom which existed in the 1960's
@@stevewhitehouse7852 Looked so like a cinema.
my nan used to take me to DAVYS when i were a nipper !
Thanks for all your comments, I remember Davys in Sheffield and Worksop when I was a kid.
Quiet desperation
At least its not hull...
Is it dire?
Yes, and there's no jobs
There would be plenty of jobs around South Yorkshire, but they imported an unlimited pool of Labour and that counts locals out.
@@timawells What's your problem mate, there are still tons of jobs despite immigration. None of them are any good, but surely that's your lovely Thatcher's fault, not the immigrants, right? Or is it still the EU conspiring against you? :D Deluded post-imperialist decline
I miss how FLAT Doncaster is ,here it's costing me a fortune on brakes and batteries for the ebike 😂👍😎
Live in Sheffield.
@timawells I use to deliver compost and turf in the 80s around Sheffield, I can still smell the clutch on that old van
St George's Church
My home town 💙
Do you still live there?
@@timawells all my life ive lived here 💙
Are you happy with the progression?@@rossmurrayfam1568
@@timawells I can Only Speak For Myself Doncaster is lovely, im very lucky to be brought up in a area that is on the out skirts of the town centre, I Love my town except recently it has gone down hill, due to alot of shops closing and the rate of cost of living, theres alot more homeless and addicts in the town, i would say i live at a nice part of Doncaster, but the town itself hasnt progressed very well, ive got mixed views about it. :)
Only Barnsley hss survived this Agenda. I remember Doncaster nightlife from the 1980s. I didn't like the gangs of Eastern Europeans I saw hanging about. I come in from Tickhill and even that has been sanitised. @@rossmurrayfam1568
You should have gone to Hexthorpe just out of town ,known now as little Kosovo 🇽🇰, nowadays I have to point out I'm not racist but TOO MANY TOO FAST comes to mind.
I have heard about Hexthorpe Ian. What disturbed me was the gangs of Eastern Europeans hanging around town, I wouldn't like my kids going there on their own.
@timawells Very dangerous, they keep murdering folk outside the nightclubs, a very dangerous place when the sun goes down .
Bradford is worse
I haven't been to Bradford since the 90s.
Yup that's Doncaster, spot the white man 😅
95% of doncaster is white tho ?