After digging a little deeper, it looks like the author of invincible actually never said invincible wins, it was taken out of context by fans. He actually says he thinks Superman is much more experienced than him at any point in the series
Yo I have another scaling comparison. Web of Shadows Venom vs Insomniac Venom, they have both achieved similar things, I'd like to see how you would interpret a fight going down between them.
😂 all superman would have to do is whistle very loud and casually kill whichever viltrimite he's facing. P.S. homelander is SOOO FAR down the power & strength scale it's ridiculous...he can't even lift a plane. He's the strongest in his world but not very powerful next to others.
It’s worth pointing out that a lot of people try to “subvert” Superman by having “Evil Superman” because “Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely” and all that. What they forget is that Superman is already the subversion of that trope. Evil versions are just playing the trope straight. Superman’s entire thing is that he’s just Clark Kent with as much power as he needs to help those in need. Superman is never interesting because of how much Kal-El of Krypton can lift, but how Clark Kent of Smallville (The Big Blue Boy Scout) chooses to interact with the world. And for those who say that a man with all that power choosing to be good is unrealistic, perhaps instead of making Superman more like us, we try to make the world more like he would, because isn’t that the whole point?
Actually, the creators of Superman created him like a subversion, really, of one of theirs stories, “Reign of the Superman” of 1933. The first Superman was a bald headed villain, dressed in street clothes, who used his powers for his own personal financial gain, murdered at will and did his best to drive the world into an apocalyptic war.
He's suppose to be the ideal man. He is a character you would want your son to look up to. Today, there are no heroes worth looking up to (in fiction anyways). Captain America in the MCU was the last true hero. Nowadays, even the "heroes" are more like villains. Nothing I would want kids to look up to and emulate.
Best case scenario. Invincible meets Superman. Superman is impressed by Invincible's strength, but then does a "hold my beer" moment. The two bond, as Superman admires Invincible's drive to go against his own kind and use his powers to protect Earth, while Invincible sees something of an ideal role model in Superman.
Thinking of Clark as the father figure for Mark and Mark having to learn to trust a super-powered altruistic hero again is something I didn't know I needed until now
Would love that sooooo much Truly a reality check for both the viltrumites and their fans in real life We’ve already had an evil Superman who never cared about life, and he’s more powerful and terrifying than any of them combined
Superman is only boring when you don't know him. He's incredibly strong and always a good person, which may seem boring, and sometimes is when handled badly, but good writers have genuinely made his character really interesting and fun to root for despite him being so strong a a pure good man.
Nah superman is a boring hero. They literally needed to nerf him in order to make him more appealing. Maybe he was cool 80 years ago when a flying dude in tights was still new but there's so many better written and more interesting heroes in the market than superman at this point. It's fine if you think he's cool but there's a reason DC isn't popula as popular as they used to be. They're held back by superman. He's the ace up their sleeve. There's hardly ever any real threat cause the question is always there "why not just call superman?" Like there's borderline no reason for their to be any other heroes within the DC universe because of superman.
@@Jasmin-lg3gf in the show which showed too much Super heroes , so they nerfed him very bad. As strong as he is, he is constantly knocked down by just a super human villain like Giant girl, .... :))) Because superman is so powerful they nerfed him left and right to the point right now as the new 52 version, he is looked not that impressed tbh
@@dragon090ss Even with the nerfs, he was still pretty overpowered compared to most other superheroes. Comic Superman is just ridiculously strong. The Viltrumite have no chance against this version.
"If the author says it, it must be true." The problem is he isn't the Author of SUPERMAN. He holds absolutely no authority over that character making the argument void.
Was about to comment the same thing. Authorial intent is meaningless if you're not the actual author. Anything the Invincible creators say about Superman is fanfiction.
Plus he admitted he created Invincible because he hated Superman as a character and wanted to do his own take on it. Its the same reason why Garth Ennis wrote his comics The Boys.
@@grantpflum6844he never meant invincible is stronger than Superman, it was a clip taken out of context. Also, you’re right, he can’t just say invincible is stronger because he said so because he’s not the author of Superman, that’s why we have power scaling… but who is that author? There are so many different authors for Superman creating so many different Superman’s, you can’t power scale that to any character because you can just pick and choose either the strongest or the one that fits the narrative the best. If I were an author, what stops me from creating an version of the Teletubbies so incredibly powerful they’d beat every iteration of Superman at once without batting an eye, back it up with some feats and call it a day? Nothing, because that’s how these comic debates work. If my comic gains enough traction, it’s apperantly ‘cannon’
Man, the “Living in a world of cardboard” speech is probably the best Superman speech I’ve ever heard. It never gets old. The DCAU is truly the GOATed gold standard of DC (even though the characters are all powered down which I think helps the story).
By your logic, Dragon Ball from Z onwards must have a really bad story just because everyone there is consistently stronger than most characters from the DCAU.
@@VunderGuytbh dbz is trash and I only got that as I grew older….I see kids enjoy it but idk how an adult could sit and spend time on that. I only love it for nostalgia.
Most people think Superman’s real weakness is kryptonite, it’s not. It’s actually his humanity. He puts himself in vulnerable positions to save people and holds back against those he fights trying not to kill them. A superman that doesn’t give a f about collateral damage or who he hurts is truly scary.
Batman is also an unpowered human who has beaten superman in several different comic lines, the problem with doing superman in one of these battles is he has so many different versions, and of course this guy picks post crisis and before new 52, the new 52 was created because they kept making superman too powerful
@@tuttiman55 well batman destroyed gods while he is who laugh, deadpool killed all avengers and x-man, u see in comics every character has his/her own break down and golden age but its not the fact. we saw omni man bleed when he fought against lower species, superman dont get a scratch whe he fought his own kind. we saw viltrumites butchered each other like normal humans, we never saw superman actually bleed. viltrumites very strong species but not invincible. superman simply undestructible. last one, invincible only 1 time line. u can witness lots of alternatives and time lines about every marvel or dc characters.
@@larrytherustyboii7442a planet whose core had been destabilised by a laser that can cut through anything. The three viltrumites flew through that hole while explicitly stating that the core stabilising again will kill them. The planet busting was like thor busting sokovia. With help.
Until I see Invincible hold a literal singularity (a black hole) in his hand, or lift a book of infinite pages, I’m giving the “W” to Superman every time.
That speech from the final episode of JLU is hands down the best thing they ever wrote in DC animation history. I've seen it a hundred times and it still gives me chills. My only problem with the episode is that after he knocks Darkseid into the street and the camera cuts back to him, he's not even scratched. It completely undermines what they were going for. But I always assumed that had more to do with network TV rules for blood and violence in "kids" programming. But beyond that, a truly amazing speech.
I believe that even when superman was giving that speech and fighting Darkseid, he was still unconsciously holding back. With that being said, Darkseid is a 5th dimentional being. So his "avatar" (physical body) is also gonna be pretty damn strong. In a true 1v1, Darkseid wipes Superman.
@@GuyLogen I understand. Darkseid is definietly OP. My problem was just that, as great as that speech was. It seemed like it was completely undermined by the fact that Darkseid didn't even have so much as a scratch. I wasn't expecting missing teeth and a broken jaw. But, he can't even have some dirt on his face? Maybe a slight bruise? 🤣
@@cainemarko5021 which is why I prefer their fight in the Superman/Batman: Apocalypse movie. Atleast Superman goes off a bit more there and darkseid is seen to take visible damage.
A bit late answer but you gotta remember that Darkseid is in fact physically stronger, more durable and borderline "absurder" than Superman, no matter the incarnation, if i'm not mistaken in the entirety of the DC multiverse he's only behind Mr. Mxyzptlk/Bat-Mite, The Specter/Phantom Stranger, Lucifer/Michael and The Presence(take that with a grain of salt tho, its been about a decade that I last read any sort of comic book)
The kryptonian would have to force the viltrumite to into the star. And the viltrumite would just immobilize the kryptonian. Viltrumites are far better trained, as they are actual soldiers not someone throwing there fists around.
@@albertstpierre8215doesn’t matter. Superman easily defeats military trained Krytonians like Zod. That training doesn’t mean shi if his power is basically that of a god
@@albertstpierre8215if Superman is way faster than the speed of light seeing as he’s holding back his power 99.9 percent of the time all that training wouldn’t matter… plus Superman can actually fight lmaoo, he’s just not Batman
Actually, Atom Eve could unironically beat Superman because of her abilities. For starters, she can't die. If she comes at the edge of death, her full potential is unleashed, which also instantly heals her. Secondly, in that very state she has literal cosmic level power similar to Dr. Manhattan. She's never lost in that state, however it literally just lasts a few moments so we've never gotten to see the peak of her power. This is an umbiased opinion btw. I'm literally going along with the understanding that she's basically a Green Lantern Manhattan because she literally sees how reallity is shaped and builds constructs based on that information. Obviously, she's not god mode all the time, but she's definitelly able to beat everyone in the Invincible universe theoretically.
@@ricardoroman7511 she still needs a brain in order to regenerate and superman's heat vision can be focused like a scalpel even without killing her he can lobotomize her. She has also been defeated by viltrimites in comics before. As already established viltrimite < superman.
@@ricardoroman7511half and half. At the edge of death and dead are different. When she is in a near death scenario, she unlocks her full powers allowing her to change organic matter too, but that only if she is still alive. Spoiler alert . . . During the last saga, she got almost killed by an half-viltrumite and survived only because she was ordered to not give her the last attack and let her die for bloodloss and watch her family die. When they left the planet, she instantly healed herself and family, and even in that state she couldn't cure someone who already died minutes before. Her powers, even when fully unlocked, still have limits, unlike Dr. Manhattan who can literally change reality and alter time
@@ricardoroman7511 atom eve works by rearranging atom compositions. When fully awakened it's still absurdly weak, only being able to burn the flesh off of a viltrumite while mark who was exhausted after a long arc and was weakened was able to defeat said viltrumite with 1 full force punch. Needless to say, it wouldn't matter if eve was near death and you could also give the argument that she could already be in that mode, but superman is just too fast for her to even have a fair chance. In other words, he's just too strong
@@millerrepin4452to be fair though i feel like like the argument of "the viltrumites are just better" is kinda unfair considering the creator's can just SAY that they are and that would be all that matters. Pretty sure that's why most people go off the philosophy of the author/writer is always the one who decided the winner
One of viltrumites weaknesses is the sun as their healing factor can't out heal the damage the sun does, so just that alone should tell you how much more op superman is
Because he absorbs the sun its like saying an character that is unaffected by explosives since he gains his powers from explosion is impressive no its not but superman beats the vilturmites
@@Ethnogoblin I made this comment 4 months ago when I was silly and still power scaling according to Comicbook terms (the I beat you so I'm stronger than you) but ya Superman's power comes from a Viltrumites weakness so it's a bit of an unfair match up as Superman can just fly into the Sun. That and he is physically superior but it's a rock paper scissors and Superman is rock with Viltrumites are scissors
alright superman simps, please try and pay attention. the superman character is written by a multitude of writers, many of whom are morons. this means no character consistency. ultimately we have to aggregate the character, separate out the nonsense. And since superman was killed by doomsday, he does have physical limits. So he can't actually hold a black hole in his hand, or a nonsense concept like a book with infinity pages. grow up. learn to analyze like an adult instead of a fanboi child. the viltrumites are an attempt to create a realistic, constant kryptonian concept, ergo, superman vs omni-man is a close enough matchup, with Thragg (or an older invincible) being a match.
Actually silver age Superman did that. Golden age Superman was the one who was faster than a speeding bullet and could only jump tall buildings in a single bound.
It's funny how Kirkman talks shit about Superman meanwhile in the concluding fight of his comic the whole dialogue is all about love and friendship being the right way and not the retarded bloody one viltrum has been into.
This is the same energy as George R.R. Martin saying Jaime Lannister (Game of Thrones) can beat Aragorn (Lord of the Rings), which is logically stupid.
Like Superman calmly said at the close of the vid, " What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose and show you just how powerful I really am." If you know of Superman's history, you'd know that it's over before it even started.
Most instances he beats Darkseid to the ground forcing his retreat. I remeber watching jl unlimited and he destroyed Darkseid with ease and under 3 mins
The character himself, what he represents (the immigrant coming to America), his corny optimism and the way he use his intelligence rather than his vast power is certainly interesting. But the collage of random, convenient powers, its wild inconsistancies and most of all, the editorial directive stating that he must win no matter who he faces makes him the most boring character of all, tactically speaking. It suits him better being a self-centered, insecure dick.
I just find the power creep in the comics to be ridiculous and inconsistent. He can survive supernovas, but a strong enough punch can hurt him. OK, but a punch powerful enough to do that then should itself contain so much kinetic energy that it destroys everything for billions of miles in every direction. It all becomes meaningless at that scale. Everytime superman fights someone even slightly comparable to him in power, the Earth should be immediately destroyed lol
@@Superbatmanbro Fair enough, they don't burn but if they stay too long in that much heat they start facing some issues. At least in the comics. The show has yet to show anything about viltrumites in that much heat
I love how Superman holding up the World for Atlus kills 2 birds with one stone. He's powerful in sense beyond standard calculations and he's always trying to find the best way to use it. Strength itself is a challenge and seeing someone fight to keep absolute power from corrupting absolutely will always be a great foundation for storytelling!
The idea of watching Superman obliterate the Viltrumite empire after he finds out what they do actually gets me kinda hype. Edit: Bro, there's a war going on down here
@@CCA.C17.SQL.02Idot he's dealt with some horrible motherfukers that were even worse than the Villager mites, I mean I don't know how long you've been reading comics but there have been some horrendous alien invasions of Earth
Regardless of Superman, there are 3 other characters I’ll say can take on Omniman. •Gladiator: This purple alien with a metal Mohawk may have his Superman powers dependent off a confidence booster, but that doesn’t change the fact he can tear a black hole with his bare hands. •Hyperion: This guy has been able to survive two universes crashing into him, and that’s not going into his atomic vision which I could argue could compete with Superman’s heat vision due to being atomic and partially cosmic if I can recall. •Sentry: His slogan of having the power of a million exploding suns is not a exaggeration, it’s a whole separate dimension, and this guy hardly has any noticeable limits cause Marvel keeps nerfing him depending on his mood and the void.
i would say the only one who can be on par with his powers is sentry the other 2 i dont think so superman had better feats just considering the current post flashpoint superman he did a lot of feats that are comparable or greater than his pre crisis counterpart
General Zod: A kryptonian on a greater level than Superman. He is a military leader and soldier who waged war on Brainiac before he even encountered a yellow sun. His conviction and loyalty to his people and culture make him a fanatic to his cause.
Of course he is... He just specializes in warfare and combat instead of repairing tractors and working a 9:00 AM - 5:00 PM job at the Daily Planet. If Superman was stronger than Zod, there is no challenge. A hero needs a challenge. Zod is better in every way except for morals... and looking at Omniman and Homelander, I don't think that matters. Omniman needs to fight Zod... not Clark.
When people say superman is strong, but don't realise he is alergic to space rocks, magic and red sunlight and simple psychology... also he gets his ass whooped by a human in a batsuit with no superhuman abilities... or trolled by a certain clown. Truely the almighty powerful being earth needed, as if being surrounded by mutant freaks wasn't enough before.
@@MalcolmNessGrangerSuperman's immune to kryptonite, he's not weak to magic he's just vulnerable to it like everyone else is meaning if he gets hit with a magic fireball it's going to hurt him just as much as it would hurt Batman. There are actually a few new 52 stories where he can absorb red sunlight and use it as power although it's slowly kills him. Only times Batman has been a Superman who is not holding back was Injustice and he was using kryptonite and dark Knight metal where he turned himself into doomsday.
@@MalcolmNessGranger when people tryna make superman look like a clown, but dont realise that he can literally dodge those space rocks and magic using his superspeed and can literally demolish a red sun with his power cause it takes TIME to absorb the radiation to make him weak under it and literally has a more HUMANE psychology than any human could ever have(cause some cringe ass sigma thinks "not caring" is cool)...also he could've destroyed those humans with halloween costumes before they could've even realised but chose not to do it cause he was not trying to kill them. Truely the most humane, strongest character we needed , so strong even writers needs to nerf him, and when some pea-brain uses this nerfed stories to compare him with other clowns to bring him down, we realise how far critical thinking has fallen in humanity.
i fucking wheeze with laughter from a boomer defending an alien who's spiecies couldn't even defend themselves from their own planets annihilation. Please rationalize to us disinformed folkes how nobody thought that mining a planets core could be a very STUPID idea... Or spin us a tale how a single alien could of annihilated an entire race of these so called "powerful" aliens. I am practically GIDDY with anticipation.@@nobodyasked3642
That doesn't matter if there is no story we're taking what these characters have done and putting them up against each other that only applies on a narrative standpoint but there is no author here to write a story.
Stan Lee while one of the greats isn’t the best all end all for authors and quite frankly that statement should be ignored seeing as that opens the door for bad faith arguments and bad faith scaling.
@@davidcrocker846 Stan lee was referring to crossover events. Hence not to the theoretical, who would win in a fight, but rather, AvsB in an actual comic, so the winner in that situation is determined solely by the author writing that specific story.
scaling should not be taken seriously at all, it's just banter between enthusiasts whatever an author writes is true within their own story. it's all fiction anyways@@davidcrocker846
the thing is that while Viltrumites are skilled combatants and are able to destroy an entire planet's population in less than a day, they have yet to fight against enemies a hundred times stronger than they are. meanwhile Superman has not only fought against enemies way stronger and more powerful than him, but he actually won against those foes. so based off of combat experience and wider range of powers, provided he doesn't hold back, I'd say Superman wins this fight.
Ofc they haven't had to fight against a superior force.They are the villains, they are the unstopabble menace of their setting. They are the enemies a hundred times stronger people like Clark Kent and Mark Grayson have to rise against or be deleted. I'd say Superman would need help on this one.
@@JordiOrta you forgot the part where I mentioned Superman's got a wider range of powers. cause I'm very certain Viltrumites don't have heat vision and freeze breath
And even there at the end, fighting Darkseid/Braniac, Superman is _still_ holding back. He has to consider the entire city around him and all the innocents in all the buildings. He's strong enough to knock Darkseid completely through the Earth, but the shockwave from the impact would be gigaton-class (albeit non-nuclear), and have a decent chance of overcoming the Earth's gravitational binding energy, destroying the planet utterly.
Why is this even a debate lmao. Superman can literally split a planet in half. And not to mention he held the black hole in the palm of his hands. And we all know Nolan or any other viltrumites isn’t gonna go toe to toe with Darkseid or Wonder Woman.
Superman has other feats too like time travel, being a engineer, having the phantom zone projector which can banish any virtromites,a chamber that can take away their powers,can speak different languages,can hear cries for help miles away,knows Kryptonian martial arts plus has training with,batman, wonder woman,black Canary,Deathstroke Superman was weakened at the time but it's still there and hawkgirl who has training from lady Shiva who is if not the greatest martial artist in all of DC,she said he could be a problem if he ever projected with everything he learned.
@@MichaelWhitmire-v6j one thing that I can say is that Nolan is the better fighter tho. He’s older with much more experience and was trained in h2h combat as a young one. But, Clark is the better heavy hitter and threat. And not to mention, Superman can survive in the sun.
Once in the comics, Lois was embedded with an army unit in some foreign war. She was hit in a firefight. Superman heard her from Metropolis, and he flew to where she was and caught her before she fell to the ground. It's surprising he maintained a secret identity after that, but it looked really cool.
@@bigd7696 The soldiers in the unit saw Superman appear out of nowhere and catch Lois. It would be surprising that no one in the unit put it together, but I guess that's just how it goes in comics.
His secret identity works because who expects an all powerful character to be a reporter? People expect Bruce Wayne to be Batman because Batman neede money for the things he is doing. Who expects Clark Kent, reporter to be Superman? Superman is all powerful while Clark Kent is a reporter.
@@Amazingfilms148Not to mention that it's pretty easy for him to hide by simply putting on some glasses, hunching his shoulders a bit and acting mostly shy.
Superman mentions essentially being able to manipulate the fundamental building blocks of physical reality at will. He is already able to see through the electromagnetic spectrum, while weight is a byproduct of the force of gravity and temperature is a byproduct of energy. The kind of power Superman suggests he now commands is only a hair short of the kind displayed by Watchmen's Dr. Manhattan, a being infamous for transcending reality as mortal minds can comprehend it.
One thing the Invincible universe does better than pretty much anyone else is the consequences of fighting in a city. Those buildings actually have people that could die in them, and instead of an empty street with parked cars people are actually going about their days and can be caught in the crossfire.
From what I’ve seen of Robert Kirk man is similar to that of George r Martin. The man wrote these works like invincible to be the “realistic” portrayal of superheroes. Basically the characters are more fleshed out out and realistic, however similar to game of thrones they somehow lack something that always makes them inferior to the original. Face it, no matter what people say people will always come back to superman and lord of the rings and invincible and GoT will fall into insignificance or barley hang on to relevance. I think it’s because we as human love stories that show the best of what we can be rather than a relatable story. Also I’ll be Frank here the story are sometime edgy for the sake of it. Mark getting brutally assaulted by Annisa or the entire character of Ramsay Bolton. These stories if you took the edge away are pretty boring or seem to go far down a rabbit hole it didn’t need to.
@@williamfrank962 If all people understood what you have just said here, life today would drastically improve. No one wants to see (the ones who claim too are spitting in the face of hierarchy and truth, breaking down what is good for all) LGBT, fat and less desirable looking people when it comes to stories that speak to all, Along with what you have stated in regards to the edge thing.
To be very accurate, Superman CAN kill every single Viltrumite easily. Superman (on most diminisions) have very strong morals. He wouldn't kill intentionally. He would probably put them in the Phantom Zone.
Superman doesn't have a "no kill" rule he simply doesn't have to kill most of the time. If there is no other way, then I do believe he would try to end them.
That’s the thing people think superman’s boring but he’s not people misunderstand superman because all they think about is the awful live action versions because they forget to include the fact that he’s a person but he has no personality. He just does stuff because he can submit doesn’t do the things he does, because he has to or feels like he has to he does it because he wants to because he was raised by people by humans with human values.
people who think that usually like the boringly edgy anti-heroes that have been pouring out of the woodwork recently. rather hypocritical of them to talk about bland when the one's they like are pretty bland sometimes themselves.
There are only a select few writers in the industry that actually understands Superman's character. Poor writers are one of the main reasons why we lose certain captivating characters.
Justice League Unlimited is genuinely one of the greatest superhero adaptations in media. On the topic of Superman, there is an arc spanning 2 seasons which questions Superman's intentions and nature. Whether he and the League would turn against humanity, citing Darkseid's influence as the prime example. In the end, Superman prevails and even recognizes his mistakes as a leader.
I’d like to also compare big bads. Darkseid, Braniac and Doomsday. All soloing Planet Viltrum. Pretty easily, seeing as they’re not only Superman bad guys but team busting threats which Viltrum hasn’t seen on its conquest. Darkseid has physicals better than Superman, Omega Beams likely one shot Viltrumites seeing as some random space chump’s gun scared Omniman. Braniac is a heavily upgraded Robot, who was killing Viltrumites left n right. His “drones” give Superman a bad time, when he physically fights the original he just laughs at his punches. Viltrumites are doomed. Which leads to Doomsday, who has physicals above Superman also, mindless killing machine with no morals and will be immune to whatever they try as it’s been done before. I understand Invincible fans trying to use bias and jokes from the creator to make their point but it just doesn’t hold a flame to the man of steel. I’d probably cry about it too 😂
I just want to say thank you for being one of the only people ive really heard talk about the actual point of the superman story. It's the story of an outsider trying to fit in and find his place in the world and maintain that, all the superpowers and fighting bad guys is extra. Thats why ive always felt "The Adventures of Lois & Clark" and "Smallville" tv shows where the best representation of the character.
Here the thing I will always reference… who are the weakest of Supermans villains who managed give him an L vs the weakest of Invincibles enemies who managed to give him an L around the time of whatever age you want pluck Mark from.
It's like I said in another video: Superman holding back relative to a fight with someone who can take it (such as Darkseid) would low- or mid-diff Omni-Man at worst, then give him a lecture on how to be a good person. Supes entertainment factor comes from his struggles to be a good person and human in a world made of paper where he could wake up one morning and call himself a god and there would be very little anyone could do to stop him. But a Superman on an alien world like Viltrum where everyone is his enemy and he doesn't have to hold back? Say bye-bye to your edgy space fascists.
Superman and one punch man are both interesting and fun characters because their strength isnt the point or focus of the story. It means writers have to write in a completely different way. Not pure shonen or action, but also not pure drama either. Just touches of both but with the drawback of both as well. A delicate balancing act that is very hard to pull off well.
Exactly. People see superman like Goku. His strength isn't supposed to be the point you're focusing on. But people don't get that. That's why people find him boring
@@villain9482yeah it’s a similar thing with characters like flash. If we take everything literally, flash could just solve every problem ever super fast but obviously writers no this so they write around it, they make him deal with the consequences of his actions and also make him deal with actual personal issues to make him relatable. Superman is usually written in a similar way
@@asurawrath11 exactly. I can't put it into words that'll really make sense but I can say superman's character was like just trying to be better and stronger. Not stronger in the physical way, but in the way that he doesn't just end everything with violence when he easily could. You ever see that comic where he could've easily saved a lady who was gonna commit suicide by just catching her? Instead he chose to promise her he wouldn't and he just stuck to his strongest power, his words. It was amazing and should've been what showed people what kind of character he is. Also that movie where it looked like superman was killing that superpowered group and he gave them a speech. It's been a while. Can't explain that one.
How you gonna call Supes boring when you’re very character is clearly inspired by him Not even him, mainly superboy and Zod Stop projecting your opinion on others on how Supes is boring like it’s a fact, other ppl share different views, ever think about that?
The doctor doesnt say "crayons" he said "prions" which are misfolded proteins that can transmit its "misfoldedness" to normal variants of the same protein and trigger cellular death. Think of it as a cell that can "infect" other cells with mutations and can thus create degenerative diseases through that method.
i would give the Viltrumites the W in that case. remember, Krypton has a red sun so none of the Kryptonians have powers. Viltrumites have their powers no matter where they go.
@@borderlands10 but could you imagine if they did have powers when krypton blows up. their planet just blows up beneth their feet and they are all just floating in space "The fuck happend?"
@devildavin I would still give the W to Krypton they still possessed super advanced technology with the gravity of their planet being different as well
Should also be noted that Batman actually did teach Superman martial arts at one point and considering his brain works faster than most, with probably Batman being the rare exception to being faster thought processes (as he is one of the only characters to dodge Darkseid vision, and it was only his physical limitations as a human that orevents him from landing those dodges perfectly) Superman likely knows at least as far as the pure combative side of Bruces martial arts knowledge, everything the Dark Knight does. I mean he lobotomized himself at one point (or was that bizarro? I can't remember for sure, but even if so, he's barely equal to Supes) so he i mean, he hits a Viltrimite on a pressure point with even a thousandth of his power, well... Fist of the North Star comes to mind 😂
alright superman simps, please try and pay attention. the superman character is written by a multitude of writers, many of whom are morons. this means no character consistency. ultimately we have to aggregate the character, separate out the nonsense. And since superman was killed by doomsday, he does have physical limits. So he can't actually hold a black hole in his hand, or a nonsense concept like a book with infinity pages. grow up. learn to analyze like an adult instead of a fanboi child. the viltrumites are an attempt to create a realistic, constant kryptonian concept, ergo, superman vs omni-man is a close enough matchup, with Thragg (or an older invincible) being a match.
When is comes to discusions on who is stronger the creators of the characters in question are the people who's takes you should discard. It doesn't matter what the matchup is. They will always say that the character they made would win.
People say superman is a boring character because they as pitiful excuses for men would if given superman's powers be evil, selfish, and childish. So they think him as unbelievable and instead form an affinity twords an omni man or homelander type character. Superman is realistic for a true man who is given power, not a athiest boy
I think most people who are given power would be bad. Can you name a single good billionaire or world leader? They're the most powerful people in the world.
so that's the guy who wrote invincible? With absolutely no respect for the source material he stole from. Classy, another reason not to bother with that comic anymore.
i do not engage in either shows/series, but ive seen this debate often, and this video shown me how it really is in terms of power-scaling who wins, but on the otherhand; what if superman is tricked into something that leads to a loss, maybe not death but just losing the battle? i mean hasnt batman beat him with his weakness of kryptonite once? or at least got him weak i think. again, i dont know much about any superhero/villain media. im just curious if this is a possibility or not.
yeah it could happen in this scenario since it’s hypothetically the Viltrumite with all their technology. I suppose they could have something that could “trick” Superman. As I stated in the video, the problem is understanding the full capabilities of what the viltrumite empire could actually do technology wise. Considering they are and advanced species that have been conquering every type of species and society, it’s likely they have some sort of illusion technology or something else that can delude Clark. Unfortunately we just don’t have enough info on that kind of stuff to properly speculate
Superman would most definitely win. Superman has more abilities at his disposal, including heat vision, that is literally powered by the sun. Considering the most powerful Viltrumite was killed from a dip in the sun, I’m going to bed a significantly less powerful Omniman or Mark would be greatly hurt by heat vision that draws power directly from solar energy. Combine that with the fact we’ve seen superman do far more impressive examples of physical strength, and it’s pretty much a guaranteed to win for the kryptonian. Yes Omniman has better training, but that will only get you so far. Superman’s raw power, experience fighting literal gods, and powers that directly counter his opponent would mean that in an unbiased fight, Superman would win. And before anyone brings up the “the author says it, so that means it’s true”, first off he straight up, said that he was just trying to spark controversy so you have to take it with a grain of salt, considering he said it wanting to get people upset. Secondly, it’s true, that he may control the characters within the world of invincible, but he has no control over superman as a Character. So he can’t say with the man of steel can and can’t do.
But he never did dis he? Cause a quasars are too powerful for him they could kill him of. Not only that the majority of stars in the Universe are red stars. And he has a weakness for magic and green crystals. Lets face it. He has no business fighting Omniman or any other Viltrumite
The sad part that nobody has realized is that the creators of Invincible have also said in the same interview that Invincible would wash The Hulk or Thanos...which is equally stupid as saying Invincible would "demolish" Superman.
Invincible demolish Supes? Unlikely as he's almost as big a boyscout as Supes is. Other viltrumites could easily kill supes and they'd do it before Supes even realized the threat he was facing. Supes not only lacks the killer instinct the Viltrumites have(his own ethical code prohibits him from killing even) the Viltrumites have no such weakness and would strangle him with his own guts for fun. They also on average possess EXPONENTIALLY greater martial skill and talent than Supes, who is a bralwer that relies on his powers more than martial ability. Each individual Viltrumite has literal centuries of experience too, while supes has a few decades tops. Supes loses and badly, and fast. The only reason you supersimps dispute it is because you're fanbois and not rational people.
@@Indubidably0That's the type of BS that the author of the Invincible comic has said in that interview. He has also said that Invincible can beat The Hulk because Hulk can't fly (even if he has easily trounced guys who can fly) or Thanos without the Infinity Gaunlet (he doesn't need it to one-shot Invincible, Omni-Man or Thragg)
At that point im starting to think the creator is just trolling, like just trying to piss off the powerscaling community who takes his words seriously.
I pretty much agree with your take on Superman. Especially the take that the writer/creator of one hero can't be the deciding factor that his character can beat the character of someone else's creation. I remember back before DC started trying to explain Supes powers so they "played nice" with physics, Supes was ultra-powerful. Now I haven't kept up with DC since Crisis when Supergirl gave up her life to save Superman, so maybe they got away from that, but I know in the CW's Supergirl, they still had that going on...Like Supergirl couldn't fly in space. But anyway, I was passing through an airport and stopped in one of the little shops and the guy had a number of comics for sale, so I had picked them up. One of them was interesting relating to Superman's power of flight. Superman and Supergirl had to work together to stop a huge asteroid from destroying Earth. Superman was dazed, and when he finally threw off the effects Supergirl was no where to be seen. He's able to calculate which direction Supergirl was thrown after stopping the asteroid so he takes off flying that direction. He's not seeing her with his vision and he keeps going faster and faster. He going so fast he smashing through barrier after barrier separating the different realities until there is only 1 barrier left. But he sees her up ahead of him at this point and he continues after her. She passes on through this final barrier before he reaches her. He's just about to break it when The Spectre appears before him telling him to stop. But Superman doesn't and collides into him. He "falls" and lands on a landscape of some kind, and Spectre appears there with him. Supes is pleading with him to let him get her, but Spectre is like "You can't. She's passed through the final veil and no living being may see the other side." Or something to that effect. He breaks down and finally says something like, "You got to save her." And Spectre is like, "All you had to do was ask." And Supergirl appears in his arms.
DC Comics Presents. It was Warworld they were tring to stop and damn that story is old as in pre Crisis old. He actually attempts to fight spectre who hands him his arse so to speak but as you said it wasn't until he asked that he got Kara back. Despite being pre Crisis It was still a damn good story that people remember 40 years later
@@KO-cp9wsboth of you are very confused. The only time Spectre faced Superman was after Supergirl was killed in Crisis on Infinite Earths. Kara was never rescued or saved because she was killed by the Anti-monitor. God himself sent the Spectre to stop Superman. "You know who sent me." Superman punched him and injured his hand and did nothing to Spectre because God was protecting him.
@@ejosjek52.87 my 5-year-old nephew made a comic strip in his pre-school. When anyone can do it, that’s a non-standard. I’m guessing you might pivot to: but they sold copies and have fans. Popularity isn’t a good measure either-“50 Shades of Grey” is a horribly written trilogy despite being one of the all-time best-selling series, while on the flip side “Moby Dick” and Edgar Allan Poe were near-universally panned as horrible (with “The Raven” being Poe’s exception during his lifetime and for decades afterward).
Great vid, and I agree with your conclusions overall in this particular versus battle. One thing though. "Crayons" was actually "prions." Prions are odd, misfolded proteins that cause other proteins to deform. Mad Cow disease? That's a prion-based disease of a type called a transmissible spongiform encephalopathy, which basically eats big holes in brain-tissue, and there are many different types of these diseases (for example, "scrapie" in sheep and goats, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and "Kuru" in human beings.) They tend to have long incubation times, progress rapidly once the symptoms crop up, and are always fatal. They are, fortunately, rare. But man, they scare the SHIT out of me.
Even then, it would take a lot for superman to loose enough energy to begin to weaken from it. When the world Forger had trapped superman in a pocket dimension filled with red suns. Not only did superman survive the pocket universe, he flew through like 8 red suns and escaped the pocket universe.
@MalcolmNessGranger So, um, if Supes whistles at a specific frequency and causes them to experience severe pain and become crippled at the same time, would they be able to shrug it off?
@@MalcolmNessGrangerthe thing about weaknesses is that Superman can power through them, if he sees kryptinite from a mile a way, all he needs to do is fly up to the nearest star and fly in it, then go back and would be immune for a couple of hours or as long as the fight lasts, Superman is the ultimate cheat code.
@@MalcolmNessGrangerwhere as viltrumites, arnt shown to do such feats, meanwhile Superman has literal lazers out of his eyballs that burn as hot or hotter than the surface of the sun, and well you know how extreme temperatures can do to vultrimites
@@MalcolmNessGranger Yeah mind explaining how he'd know that's supermans weakness? Hes not Batman lol he doesn't have contigency plans for everyone hes just a experienced fighter, nor will he know where to get that "shiny green rock"
I think omniman vs metroman from Megamind would be a very cool fight. We never really see metroman’s full potential, but it’s obvious that he is way faster than omniman. Metroman literally sat down and relaxed faster than the speed of light, so he is capable of basically stopping time regardless of momentum. The movie also gives us a pretty good amount of evidence to show that Titan was not nearly as powerful as metroman. I believe that is a much more compelling fight than Superman. Superman just wouldn’t lose
The speed feat your talking about has been calced and it only gets him to around massively hypersonic-sub relativistic to light. And seeing as his best feats are relative to titan he’s only city block level-city level. The current television version of mark slams metroman and Omni man probably wouldn’t even notice if he flew right through him.
@@davidcrocker846 its narratively implied multiple times that metro man is stronger than titan, prob just bc hes much more experienced. But yea ur right even if we HIGH ball and say metro man is multi city level, omni man would still one shot.
This is Greg - - - - > 🐕 Greg can EASILY demolish both Superman and the Viltrum Empire with his left paw while taking a piss with his right. I wrote Greg so it's canon.
I feel like what separates them is Superman’s powers. I can see him using heat vision to cut up tons of viltramites. Or his freeze breath to freeze them and smash them into pieces
I don’t think that his heat vision or freeze breath would really affect them all that much, but those powers could definitely kill viltrimite half breeds
@@tropicalsniper5967they would because they’re that much weaker than most iterations of Superman. Viltrumites aren’t even planet level, they're at most multi-continental. even particularly weak versions of superman like DCAU or Donnerverse make planet busting look like a joke. viltrumites would struggle to even comprehend or survive a moon level character.
Superman could wipe his ass with the entire Viltrumite empire. Superman is faster, more powerful, more experienced, and his heat vision would easily destroy any Viltrumite. Recently, Superman has gotten back to his Pre-Crisis power levels. Superman's speed has been shown lately to be so fast, to the naked eye, it looks like teleportation. The only person faster is Wally West and Barry Allen's versions of The Flash.
@@V15.12 It's not easy to find kryptonite anymore since the Superman Batman storyline where they removed most of it. Luthor has some, but no Viltrumite knows that. They don't have X-ray vision either. Superman is so much more powerful than the Viltrumite empire that it's not even funny. They're vulnerable to extreme heat from a sun, and Superman is powered by the sun. Their heart's are vulnerable to damage, which eventually kills them. He could take them out with his heat ray vision, and extreme power. Superman has recently been shown to have grown in power so much, he's basically at Pre-Crisis levels again. Thragg said it would take seven Viltrumites to destroy the Earth, but Superman could do that all by himself. The Man of Steel is simply on a higher power level.
@@homeaccount5943 didnt superman die like 6 times ? Like he has ben killed by the same guy Gog multiple times again and again , like he gets his ass kicked a lot , not even by big villains
@@V15.12 Wrong. Either you don't pay attention to what you read, and have low comprehension, or you never read The Kingdom story to begin with. Regardless of how you try to change the subject, Superman is significantly more powerful than any Viltrumite. People like yourself always show your limited knowledge. If you don't thoroughly read all the subject matter in the conversation, why bother trying to debate ? You're about as effective as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.
Even with the clip at the end, Superman is still holding back. He doesn’t want to punch Darkseid so hard that there’s TOO much collateral damage. Big Blue beats the Invincible Universe, little to no difficulty.
When you have a character like Superman, the writer always needs to make either villains that can either physically or mentally challenge him. They've made some great stories in the past, I believe Invincible has more relatable stories through its character the writer and artists have made. Also, the writer will make whichever hero win in a faceoff/battle. As Stan Lee said "which character would win..it comes down to the writer.."
Solar system* and he was essentially being amped by this magic powder mr mxy gave him during that feat. even then thats one of his weakest showing. hes too op
I used to think Superman was boring when I was younger, but as I've grown up, knowing that it was never Superman's powers that made him the best Superhero, but the unyielding humanity within him. He is a Paragon. An example of what a human can be when given the power to crush worlds, but choosing not to. The power to crush gods in the palm of his hand without breaking a sweat, but instead, he chooses talking a jumper out of jumping off a building... Man. Superman is awesome.
Yeah sorry but when you say Superman is boring you've already lost the whole convo. Superman could have been considered boring only during the 50s, 60s and early 70s, when he (and comics as a whole) was constrained by the Comics Code Authority (which was basically controlled in large part by... Archie Comics. No really.), which made him into this stodgy, pro-establishment, conservative-ish figure for a time (same thing made Batman and his rogues gallery a corny joke during that time -see the Adam West show). But then as the Comics Code's limitations gradually went away he slowly got his cred back through some amazing stories by the 80s, like Alan Moore's "For the Man who has Everything" and "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?", and by the time his "death" rolled around he was pretty much back to being the icon we know him as, and he's stayed that way since then. He's not boring, he represents the best of what we are and the best of what we could become. THAT's what it really means to be the Man of Tomorrow.
Seriously show both superhero symbols to foreigners all over the world see who recognizes what. I would bet all my peak season payout that everyone knows Superman.
Thanks for the video! Curious what a discussion around Kryptonite would be from Superman fans. For me I never liked how Superman is basically the most powerful being (or one of the most) ever, but once kryptonite is in the mix anyone could have a fighting chance or beat him. Characters in the Invincible universe have more realistic outcomes in terms of death and tragedy if superheroes were real. So I think it’s feasible if Superman ever crossed paths with a Viltrumite and kryptonite was used, Superman would be killed quickly. I don’t know Superman lore that well, but has he ever killed his villains intentionally (like in the MOS movie). The famous stories I have read, I believe he has a no kill philosophy. Lmk, thanks!
Superman lore doesn't matter... they just keep making up more ridiculous things to add to the character. There have always been other characters in DC more powerful; they put them to the back burner and overscale Superman up. Theoretically, there should be no need for the Justice League or Green Lantern Corps. according to how most Superman iterations are portrayed. Why draw out a fight with Lex that will cost the city hundreds of millions of dollars in insurance and damages if you're powerful enough to punch a hole in a star. End the fight in 3 seconds so everybody can go home.
3:12 that isn't a nuke, it is a directed energy weapon, 2nd he can't withstand a black hole, he is a good distance from the event horizon and is about to yeet himself into to commit suicide
After digging a little deeper, it looks like the author of invincible actually never said invincible wins, it was taken out of context by fans. He actually says he thinks Superman is much more experienced than him at any point in the series
yeah thats all right
Yo I have another scaling comparison.
Web of Shadows Venom vs Insomniac Venom, they have both achieved similar things, I'd like to see how you would interpret a fight going down between them.
this just shows why you can't always take what an author says as true. if they can't back it up then it's probably not true.
Yeah, but Superman isn't just more experienced, he's also infinitely (literally) more powerful.
😂 all superman would have to do is whistle very loud and casually kill whichever viltrimite he's facing.
P.S. homelander is SOOO FAR down the power & strength scale it's ridiculous...he can't even lift a plane. He's the strongest in his world but not very powerful next to others.
It’s worth pointing out that a lot of people try to “subvert” Superman by having “Evil Superman” because “Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely” and all that. What they forget is that Superman is already the subversion of that trope. Evil versions are just playing the trope straight. Superman’s entire thing is that he’s just Clark Kent with as much power as he needs to help those in need. Superman is never interesting because of how much Kal-El of Krypton can lift, but how Clark Kent of Smallville (The Big Blue Boy Scout) chooses to interact with the world.
And for those who say that a man with all that power choosing to be good is unrealistic, perhaps instead of making Superman more like us, we try to make the world more like he would, because isn’t that the whole point?
I agree.
Agree
Actually, the creators of Superman created him like a subversion, really, of one of theirs stories, “Reign of the Superman” of 1933.
The first Superman was a bald headed villain, dressed in street clothes, who used his powers for his own personal financial gain, murdered at will and did his best to drive the world into an apocalyptic war.
He's suppose to be the ideal man. He is a character you would want your son to look up to.
Today, there are no heroes worth looking up to (in fiction anyways). Captain America in the MCU was the last true hero. Nowadays, even the "heroes" are more like villains. Nothing I would want kids to look up to and emulate.
@@redingm well it depends how you look at it marvel is more relating to someone dc is inspiring
Best case scenario. Invincible meets Superman. Superman is impressed by Invincible's strength, but then does a "hold my beer" moment. The two bond, as Superman admires Invincible's drive to go against his own kind and use his powers to protect Earth, while Invincible sees something of an ideal role model in Superman.
Would love to see a fanfic of this.
Thinking of Clark as the father figure for Mark and Mark having to learn to trust a super-powered altruistic hero again is something I didn't know I needed until now
@@windghost2We, the fans, should make this. This is for us.
This is really how it's gonna go. There's no fight. Both of them aren't trigger happy assholes.
@@marxvargas7697 I agree.
Seeing Zod go "You don't seem to understand. The multiverse isn't yours to conquer." and quickly wipe out the entire Viltrumite race would be dope.
Zod vs Omniman would be sick
Would love that sooooo much
Truly a reality check for both the viltrumites and their fans in real life
We’ve already had an evil Superman who never cared about life, and he’s more powerful and terrifying than any of them combined
@@aerickmon3350and that Superman lost to Batman, a normal human. Lmfao.
@@Akiraspin and viltrumites get beat by techjacket
Your point?
@@Akiraspinwhy lie? In the 75 plus times Superman has fought Batman Batman has never won.
Superman is only boring when you don't know him. He's incredibly strong and always a good person, which may seem boring, and sometimes is when handled badly, but good writers have genuinely made his character really interesting and fun to root for despite him being so strong a a pure good man.
He’s prolly only watched the shows, never the comics or the parts this guy showed us.
@@historycal51the comics viltrumites are like solar system or galaxy Superman is universal is it’s overkill
Nah superman is a boring hero. They literally needed to nerf him in order to make him more appealing. Maybe he was cool 80 years ago when a flying dude in tights was still new but there's so many better written and more interesting heroes in the market than superman at this point. It's fine if you think he's cool but there's a reason DC isn't popula as popular as they used to be. They're held back by superman. He's the ace up their sleeve. There's hardly ever any real threat cause the question is always there "why not just call superman?" Like there's borderline no reason for their to be any other heroes within the DC universe because of superman.
@@altfemboy3109 cappp
the point of Superman is dealing with his Godly powers
@@TweenCross yeah and that's boring. His only flaw is he has no flaws wow what a well written character
The World of Cardboard speech from JLU really just highlights how dangerous Superman is and how much he holds back
Aw man.. That is most epic fkn speech. Still gives me chils.
But to be fair. This Superman was knocked out by the space station beam.
They actually have a good chance against him.
that superman was very nerfed lol
@@Jasmin-lg3gf in the show which showed too much Super heroes , so they nerfed him very bad. As strong as he is, he is constantly knocked down by just a super human villain like Giant girl, .... :)))
Because superman is so powerful they nerfed him left and right to the point right now as the new 52 version, he is looked not that impressed tbh
@@dragon090ss Even with the nerfs, he was still pretty overpowered compared to most other superheroes.
Comic Superman is just ridiculously strong. The Viltrumite have no chance against this version.
"If the author says it, it must be true."
The problem is he isn't the Author of SUPERMAN. He holds absolutely no authority over that character making the argument void.
Was about to comment the same thing. Authorial intent is meaningless if you're not the actual author. Anything the Invincible creators say about Superman is fanfiction.
True I can make a Cake and say it beats Superman
Plus he admitted he created Invincible because he hated Superman as a character and wanted to do his own take on it. Its the same reason why Garth Ennis wrote his comics The Boys.
@@grantpflum6844Garth ennis doesnt hate superman tho
@@grantpflum6844he never meant invincible is stronger than Superman, it was a clip taken out of context.
Also, you’re right, he can’t just say invincible is stronger because he said so because he’s not the author of Superman, that’s why we have power scaling… but who is that author?
There are so many different authors for Superman creating so many different Superman’s, you can’t power scale that to any character because you can just pick and choose either the strongest or the one that fits the narrative the best.
If I were an author, what stops me from creating an version of the Teletubbies so incredibly powerful they’d beat every iteration of Superman at once without batting an eye, back it up with some feats and call it a day? Nothing, because that’s how these comic debates work. If my comic gains enough traction, it’s apperantly ‘cannon’
Man, the “Living in a world of cardboard” speech is probably the best Superman speech I’ve ever heard. It never gets old. The DCAU is truly the GOATed gold standard of DC (even though the characters are all powered down which I think helps the story).
Facts.
By your logic, Dragon Ball from Z onwards must have a really bad story just because everyone there is consistently stronger than most characters from the DCAU.
@@VunderGuy What are you talking about? I think you’re inferring a lot more things than is actually there.
well said brother
@@VunderGuytbh dbz is trash and I only got that as I grew older….I see kids enjoy it but idk how an adult could sit and spend time on that. I only love it for nostalgia.
"Viltrumite cells are virtually indestructible by disease or even nanotechnology"
The scourge virus: Am I a joke to you
We haven’t reach that point in the show yet,so is virtually unknown
@@sombodythatyouusedtoknow9046 plus the scourge virus is made from viltrumite DNA so it's a smart atom virus.
Most people think Superman’s real weakness is kryptonite, it’s not. It’s actually his humanity. He puts himself in vulnerable positions to save people and holds back against those he fights trying not to kill them. A superman that doesn’t give a f about collateral damage or who he hurts is truly scary.
Superman could lose to the Viltrumites by holding back. Injustice Superman wouldn’t, probably be one of the only times he’d be right to do so.
@@capadociaash8003Superman is beyond Thragg.
He always holds back and still wins.
@@capadociaash8003they aren't damaging superman, like he wouldn't kill them but they literally *can't* kill superman lmao
@@capadociaash8003I disagree strongly. If supes went half power or quarter power, viltrumite over with
Red Sun enters the chat 💀
Thragg said 37 Viltrumites would break earth in half? Batman said Superman could break the world... with his pinky finger
Its not even close lmao
*close, and he said "37 of us", which likely included the higher-rank viltrumites and himself, who is very high above average
Batman is also an unpowered human who has beaten superman in several different comic lines, the problem with doing superman in one of these battles is he has so many different versions, and of course this guy picks post crisis and before new 52, the new 52 was created because they kept making superman too powerful
@@larrytherustyboii7442 That is often described in wherever I hear as an "unstable planet" so that likely has something to do with it
@@tuttiman55 well batman destroyed gods while he is who laugh, deadpool killed all avengers and x-man, u see in comics every character has his/her own break down and golden age but its not the fact. we saw omni man bleed when he fought against lower species, superman dont get a scratch whe he fought his own kind. we saw viltrumites butchered each other like normal humans, we never saw superman actually bleed. viltrumites very strong species but not invincible. superman simply undestructible. last one, invincible only 1 time line. u can witness lots of alternatives and time lines about every marvel or dc characters.
@@larrytherustyboii7442a planet whose core had been destabilised by a laser that can cut through anything. The three viltrumites flew through that hole while explicitly stating that the core stabilising again will kill them.
The planet busting was like thor busting sokovia. With help.
Until I see Invincible hold a literal singularity (a black hole) in his hand, or lift a book of infinite pages, I’m giving the “W” to Superman every time.
Well to be far super man did have help lifting the book
@courier6402 ok, but if you divide infinity by literally any number you still get infinity
@@courier6402 Half of infinity is still infinity
Besides that base Superman , can bench press earth for a week straight and possibly more 😊
Sure, but could Superman lift two blackholes while in earth? I don't think so...
That speech from the final episode of JLU is hands down the best thing they ever wrote in DC animation history. I've seen it a hundred times and it still gives me chills. My only problem with the episode is that after he knocks Darkseid into the street and the camera cuts back to him, he's not even scratched. It completely undermines what they were going for. But I always assumed that had more to do with network TV rules for blood and violence in "kids" programming. But beyond that, a truly amazing speech.
Lol wut.
Darkseid has insane durability.
Breaking his skin is a near impossible feat.
And only really done in the comics.
I believe that even when superman was giving that speech and fighting Darkseid, he was still unconsciously holding back.
With that being said, Darkseid is a 5th dimentional being. So his "avatar" (physical body) is also gonna be pretty damn strong. In a true 1v1, Darkseid wipes Superman.
@@GuyLogen I understand. Darkseid is definietly OP. My problem was just that, as great as that speech was. It seemed like it was completely undermined by the fact that Darkseid didn't even have so much as a scratch. I wasn't expecting missing teeth and a broken jaw. But, he can't even have some dirt on his face? Maybe a slight bruise? 🤣
@@cainemarko5021 which is why I prefer their fight in the Superman/Batman: Apocalypse movie.
Atleast Superman goes off a bit more there and darkseid is seen to take visible damage.
A bit late answer but you gotta remember that Darkseid is in fact physically stronger, more durable and borderline "absurder" than Superman, no matter the incarnation, if i'm not mistaken in the entirety of the DC multiverse he's only behind Mr. Mxyzptlk/Bat-Mite, The Specter/Phantom Stranger, Lucifer/Michael and The Presence(take that with a grain of salt tho, its been about a decade that I last read any sort of comic book)
Viltrumites can be killed by suns, while Kryptonians can live off suns. Nuff said😅.
The kryptonian would have to force the viltrumite to into the star. And the viltrumite would just immobilize the kryptonian. Viltrumites are far better trained, as they are actual soldiers not someone throwing there fists around.
@@albertstpierre8215What? 🤣🤣🤣
Superman can do it with ease as he is far faster and stronger than them and they wouldn’t be able to break his hold or escape him
@@albertstpierre8215doesn’t matter. Superman easily defeats military trained Krytonians like Zod. That training doesn’t mean shi if his power is basically that of a god
@@albertstpierre8215if Superman is way faster than the speed of light seeing as he’s holding back his power 99.9 percent of the time all that training wouldn’t matter… plus Superman can actually fight lmaoo, he’s just not Batman
Based on abilities Atom Eve has a higher chance of beating Superman than any Viltrumite. She’ll most likely still lose however
Actually, Atom Eve could unironically beat Superman because of her abilities. For starters, she can't die. If she comes at the edge of death, her full potential is unleashed, which also instantly heals her. Secondly, in that very state she has literal cosmic level power similar to Dr. Manhattan. She's never lost in that state, however it literally just lasts a few moments so we've never gotten to see the peak of her power. This is an umbiased opinion btw. I'm literally going along with the understanding that she's basically a Green Lantern Manhattan because she literally sees how reallity is shaped and builds constructs based on that information. Obviously, she's not god mode all the time, but she's definitelly able to beat everyone in the Invincible universe theoretically.
@@ricardoroman7511 she still needs a brain in order to regenerate and superman's heat vision can be focused like a scalpel even without killing her he can lobotomize her. She has also been defeated by viltrimites in comics before. As already established viltrimite < superman.
@@ricardoroman7511half and half.
At the edge of death and dead are different.
When she is in a near death scenario, she unlocks her full powers allowing her to change organic matter too, but that only if she is still alive.
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During the last saga, she got almost killed by an half-viltrumite and survived only because she was ordered to not give her the last attack and let her die for bloodloss and watch her family die.
When they left the planet, she instantly healed herself and family, and even in that state she couldn't cure someone who already died minutes before.
Her powers, even when fully unlocked, still have limits, unlike Dr. Manhattan who can literally change reality and alter time
@@ricardoroman7511 atom eve works by rearranging atom compositions. When fully awakened it's still absurdly weak, only being able to burn the flesh off of a viltrumite while mark who was exhausted after a long arc and was weakened was able to defeat said viltrumite with 1 full force punch.
Needless to say, it wouldn't matter if eve was near death and you could also give the argument that she could already be in that mode, but superman is just too fast for her to even have a fair chance. In other words, he's just too strong
@@millerrepin4452to be fair though i feel like like the argument of "the viltrumites are just better" is kinda unfair considering the creator's can just SAY that they are and that would be all that matters. Pretty sure that's why most people go off the philosophy of the author/writer is always the one who decided the winner
Aren't Viltrumites just bootleg Kryptonians though?
Yes and no since the kryptonians were a peaceful race viltramites are more like saiyans
@@Bluewolf22222 True. Although even by Saiyan standards Viltrumites are pretty weak.
@@iamsinistar8971 true I was just saying that their way of life is more like saiyans than kryptonians
@@Bluewolf22222 I would say especially the part where their entire species went almost extinct but the Kryptonians have the same problem.
@@iamsinistar8971 true
One of viltrumites weaknesses is the sun as their healing factor can't out heal the damage the sun does, so just that alone should tell you how much more op superman is
Because he absorbs the sun its like saying an character that is unaffected by explosives since he gains his powers from explosion is impressive no its not but superman beats the vilturmites
@@Ethnogoblin I made this comment 4 months ago when I was silly and still power scaling according to Comicbook terms (the I beat you so I'm stronger than you) but ya Superman's power comes from a Viltrumites weakness so it's a bit of an unfair match up as Superman can just fly into the Sun. That and he is physically superior but it's a rock paper scissors and Superman is rock with Viltrumites are scissors
Didn't Superman get cancer once when he got too close to the sun? I remember that happening in some animated series, but I forgot which one it was.
alright superman simps, please try and pay attention. the superman character is written by a multitude of writers, many of whom are morons. this means no character consistency. ultimately we have to aggregate the character, separate out the nonsense. And since superman was killed by doomsday, he does have physical limits. So he can't actually hold a black hole in his hand, or a nonsense concept like a book with infinity pages. grow up. learn to analyze like an adult instead of a fanboi child. the viltrumites are an attempt to create a realistic, constant kryptonian concept, ergo, superman vs omni-man is a close enough matchup, with Thragg (or an older invincible) being a match.
@@bozoweegee1935That was non canon and doesn’t fit with his healing from the sun historically
The fact that superman is the benchmark that every over powered character has been trying and failing to reach for almost a hundred years says a lot.
Actually silver age Superman did that. Golden age Superman was the one who was faster than a speeding bullet and could only jump tall buildings in a single bound.
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Yeah, he just kept getting more and more ridiculously OP over time
Meh OPM would destroy him. That's kind of the point of his character.
It's funny how Kirkman talks shit about Superman meanwhile in the concluding fight of his comic the whole dialogue is all about love and friendship being the right way and not the retarded bloody one viltrum has been into.
@@SirBladewind 🧢🧢🧢
This is the same energy as George R.R. Martin saying Jaime Lannister (Game of Thrones) can beat Aragorn (Lord of the Rings), which is logically stupid.
Aye hi foltest
@@ShogunAT3 can defeat Johnny Cage
@@MegaToonzNetwork bro tf ur talking about?
@@ShogunAT3 Bro, Dipanshugupta from 1606 can take on Dark side, can survive weeks without a yellow sun, and can fly in Mach 100
@@MegaToonzNetwork wtf are u actually talking about?
Like Superman calmly said at the close of the vid, " What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose and show you just how powerful I really am." If you know of Superman's history, you'd know that it's over before it even started.
Most instances he beats Darkseid to the ground forcing his retreat. I remeber watching jl unlimited and he destroyed Darkseid with ease and under 3 mins
And then he commits enormous property damage by slamming Darkseid through all those buildings. =9[.]9=
@@RaycheetahWell, cartoons and comics do this unreasonable shit and from what I've seen, they still haven't change that habit of Supes.
@jrocy2k35 correct. And he was still holding back. Cause he could’ve knocked Darkseid into space or through the earth. No contest Superman wins.
Anyone who says Superman is boring as a character completely misses the point of Superman.
Exactly honestly one of the best characters in all of fiction
The character himself, what he represents (the immigrant coming to America), his corny optimism and the way he use his intelligence rather than his vast power is certainly interesting. But the collage of random, convenient powers, its wild inconsistancies and most of all, the editorial directive stating that he must win no matter who he faces makes him the most boring character of all, tactically speaking. It suits him better being a self-centered, insecure dick.
Superman isn’t THAT boring to me anymore…but he’s still mid to me if I’m being honest. And that’s AFTER finding out more
I just find the power creep in the comics to be ridiculous and inconsistent. He can survive supernovas, but a strong enough punch can hurt him. OK, but a punch powerful enough to do that then should itself contain so much kinetic energy that it destroys everything for billions of miles in every direction. It all becomes meaningless at that scale. Everytime superman fights someone even slightly comparable to him in power, the Earth should be immediately destroyed lol
@@manmoth4 Damn right. I've been shouting this over the rooftops for years.
The fact that omniman and invincible can bleed from lesser superheros gives superman the upper hand
And Superman could just put omni man into the sun each if he wanted to end the fight quickly
@@Superbatmanbro Viltrumites can literally fight in the sun.
@kiwenmanisuno true,but they burn.While the kryptonians get more stronger full in the sun.
@@Superbatmanbro Fair enough, they don't burn but if they stay too long in that much heat they start facing some issues.
At least in the comics. The show has yet to show anything about viltrumites in that much heat
@@kiwenmanisuno And humans can exercise in 120 Fahrenheit heat, Doesn't mean it won't kill them however.
I love how Superman holding up the World for Atlus kills 2 birds with one stone.
He's powerful in sense beyond standard calculations and he's always trying to find the best way to use it. Strength itself is a challenge and seeing someone fight to keep absolute power from corrupting absolutely will always be a great foundation for storytelling!
The idea of watching Superman obliterate the Viltrumite empire after he finds out what they do actually gets me kinda hype.
Edit: Bro, there's a war going on down here
Except Superman doesn't kill so you're being a goof
@@jacquestube I really think he would make an exception for the viltrumites
@@CCA.C17.SQL.02Idot he's dealt with some horrible motherfukers that were even worse than the Villager mites, I mean I don't know how long you've been reading comics but there have been some horrendous alien invasions of Earth
@@jacquestubeas Superman I can confirm that I wouldn't kill viltrumites
Injustice Superman
37 Viltrumites to destroy the earth? Meanwhile Superman has shattered the World Forger's new Multiverse with 1 punch...
Also speaking of feats, it only takes one Saiyan to flick a wrist to destroy 3 Planets, Vilrumites are nowhere near Kryptonians let alone Saiyans.
Regardless of Superman, there are 3 other characters I’ll say can take on Omniman.
•Gladiator: This purple alien with a metal Mohawk may have his Superman powers dependent off a confidence booster, but that doesn’t change the fact he can tear a black hole with his bare hands.
•Hyperion: This guy has been able to survive two universes crashing into him, and that’s not going into his atomic vision which I could argue could compete with Superman’s heat vision due to being atomic and partially cosmic if I can recall.
•Sentry: His slogan of having the power of a million exploding suns is not a exaggeration, it’s a whole separate dimension, and this guy hardly has any noticeable limits cause Marvel keeps nerfing him depending on his mood and the void.
I agree with all of these picks honestly
i would say the only one who can be on par with his powers is sentry the other 2 i dont think so superman had better feats just considering the current post flashpoint superman he did a lot of feats that are comparable or greater than his pre crisis counterpart
General Zod: A kryptonian on a greater level than Superman. He is a military leader and soldier who waged war on Brainiac before he even encountered a yellow sun. His conviction and loyalty to his people and culture make him a fanatic to his cause.
@@Christopher-lg1tv Zod is no way in hell on a greater level then Superman.
Of course he is...
He just specializes in warfare and combat instead of repairing tractors and working a 9:00 AM - 5:00 PM job at the Daily Planet.
If Superman was stronger than Zod, there is no challenge. A hero needs a challenge. Zod is better in every way except for morals... and looking at Omniman and Homelander, I don't think that matters.
Omniman needs to fight Zod... not Clark.
When people say somebody can beat superman it’s usually because they don’t understand superman
When people say superman is strong, but don't realise he is alergic to space rocks, magic and red sunlight and simple psychology... also he gets his ass whooped by a human in a batsuit with no superhuman abilities... or trolled by a certain clown. Truely the almighty powerful being earth needed, as if being surrounded by mutant freaks wasn't enough before.
@@MalcolmNessGrangerSuperman's immune to kryptonite, he's not weak to magic he's just vulnerable to it like everyone else is meaning if he gets hit with a magic fireball it's going to hurt him just as much as it would hurt Batman. There are actually a few new 52 stories where he can absorb red sunlight and use it as power although it's slowly kills him. Only times Batman has been a Superman who is not holding back was Injustice and he was using kryptonite and dark Knight metal where he turned himself into doomsday.
@@MalcolmNessGranger when people tryna make superman look like a clown, but dont realise that he can literally dodge those space rocks and magic using his superspeed and can literally demolish a red sun with his power cause it takes TIME to absorb the radiation to make him weak under it and literally has a more HUMANE psychology than any human could ever have(cause some cringe ass sigma thinks "not caring" is cool)...also he could've destroyed those humans with halloween costumes before they could've even realised but chose not to do it cause he was not trying to kill them. Truely the most humane, strongest character we needed , so strong even writers needs to nerf him, and when some pea-brain uses this nerfed stories to compare him with other clowns to bring him down, we realise how far critical thinking has fallen in humanity.
i fucking wheeze with laughter from a boomer defending an alien who's spiecies couldn't even defend themselves from their own planets annihilation. Please rationalize to us disinformed folkes how nobody thought that mining a planets core could be a very STUPID idea...
Or spin us a tale how a single alien could of annihilated an entire race of these so called "powerful" aliens. I am practically GIDDY with anticipation.@@nobodyasked3642
@@Aj.6500 straight up
Like Stan Lee said, the winner of any battle is the author of the comic.
That doesn't matter if there is no story we're taking what these characters have done and putting them up against each other that only applies on a narrative standpoint but there is no author here to write a story.
Really only works in a same verse situation
Stan Lee while one of the greats isn’t the best all end all for authors and quite frankly that statement should be ignored seeing as that opens the door for bad faith arguments and bad faith scaling.
@@davidcrocker846 Stan lee was referring to crossover events. Hence not to the theoretical, who would win in a fight, but rather, AvsB in an actual comic, so the winner in that situation is determined solely by the author writing that specific story.
scaling should not be taken seriously at all, it's just banter between enthusiasts
whatever an author writes is true within their own story. it's all fiction anyways@@davidcrocker846
The fact this the same guy that made the slayworld documentary is insane
the thing is that while Viltrumites are skilled combatants and are able to destroy an entire planet's population in less than a day, they have yet to fight against enemies a hundred times stronger than they are. meanwhile Superman has not only fought against enemies way stronger and more powerful than him, but he actually won against those foes. so based off of combat experience and wider range of powers, provided he doesn't hold back, I'd say Superman wins this fight.
Ofc they haven't had to fight against a superior force.They are the villains, they are the unstopabble menace of their setting.
They are the enemies a hundred times stronger people like Clark Kent and Mark Grayson have to rise against or be deleted. I'd say Superman would need help on this one.
@@JordiOrta you forgot the part where I mentioned Superman's got a wider range of powers. cause I'm very certain Viltrumites don't have heat vision and freeze breath
@@nseven1117 You also forgot to mention his crippling allergy to green rocks, but eh.
@@JordiOrta the rock only affects him at a certain distance, he can just keep himself at a safe distance and shoot them from there
@@JordiOrtahe is immune to Kryptonite now.
The fact you put Kingdom Come Superman in your thumbnail made me even more scared for Nolan and his race.
imagine superman 1 million
@@jondoe1444 He will literally become the name on your YT like you have right now.
And even there at the end, fighting Darkseid/Braniac, Superman is _still_ holding back. He has to consider the entire city around him and all the innocents in all the buildings. He's strong enough to knock Darkseid completely through the Earth, but the shockwave from the impact would be gigaton-class (albeit non-nuclear), and have a decent chance of overcoming the Earth's gravitational binding energy, destroying the planet utterly.
Why is this even a debate lmao. Superman can literally split a planet in half. And not to mention he held the black hole in the palm of his hands. And we all know Nolan or any other viltrumites isn’t gonna go toe to toe with Darkseid or Wonder Woman.
Superman has other feats too like time travel, being a engineer, having the phantom zone projector which can banish any virtromites,a chamber that can take away their powers,can speak different languages,can hear cries for help miles away,knows Kryptonian martial arts plus has training with,batman, wonder woman,black Canary,Deathstroke Superman was weakened at the time but it's still there and hawkgirl who has training from lady Shiva who is if not the greatest martial artist in all of DC,she said he could be a problem if he ever projected with everything he learned.
superman helped atlas hold the world on his shoulders
@@MichaelWhitmire-v6jeven the weakest superman can beatball the vittumites jajaja
Heck omniman almost died to earths heroes
@@MichaelWhitmire-v6j one thing that I can say is that Nolan is the better fighter tho. He’s older with much more experience and was trained in h2h combat as a young one. But, Clark is the better heavy hitter and threat. And not to mention, Superman can survive in the sun.
Once in the comics, Lois was embedded with an army unit in some foreign war. She was hit in a firefight. Superman heard her from Metropolis, and he flew to where she was and caught her before she fell to the ground.
It's surprising he maintained a secret identity after that, but it looked really cool.
Who is going to see him moving that fast?
@@bigd7696 The soldiers in the unit saw Superman appear out of nowhere and catch Lois. It would be surprising that no one in the unit put it together, but I guess that's just how it goes in comics.
His secret identity works because who expects an all powerful character to be a reporter? People expect Bruce Wayne to be Batman because Batman neede money for the things he is doing. Who expects Clark Kent, reporter to be Superman? Superman is all powerful while Clark Kent is a reporter.
@@Amazingfilms148Not to mention that it's pretty easy for him to hide by simply putting on some glasses, hunching his shoulders a bit and acting mostly shy.
We are aware Lois married Superman right? Lol.
That was a public event.
It's why she was at his Funeral.
Because everyone knew she married Superman.
Superman mentions essentially being able to manipulate the fundamental building blocks of physical reality at will. He is already able to see through the electromagnetic spectrum, while weight is a byproduct of the force of gravity and temperature is a byproduct of energy. The kind of power Superman suggests he now commands is only a hair short of the kind displayed by Watchmen's Dr. Manhattan, a being infamous for transcending reality as mortal minds can comprehend it.
One thing the Invincible universe does better than pretty much anyone else is the consequences of fighting in a city. Those buildings actually have people that could die in them, and instead of an empty street with parked cars people are actually going about their days and can be caught in the crossfire.
Robert Kirkman said Mark would struggle against Homelander. Does he really believe that Homelander stands a chance against Superman 😂
Worse than that. If Invincible curb stomps Supes and Homelander can at least put up a fight he’s suggesting Homelander would beat Superman
Robert Kirkman sounds like he has such a weird conception of his own characters
From what I’ve seen of Robert Kirk man is similar to that of George r Martin. The man wrote these works like invincible to be the “realistic” portrayal of superheroes. Basically the characters are more fleshed out out and realistic, however similar to game of thrones they somehow lack something that always makes them inferior to the original. Face it, no matter what people say people will always come back to superman and lord of the rings and invincible and GoT will fall into insignificance or barley hang on to relevance. I think it’s because we as human love stories that show the best of what we can be rather than a relatable story.
Also I’ll be Frank here the story are sometime edgy for the sake of it. Mark getting brutally assaulted by Annisa or the entire character of Ramsay Bolton. These stories if you took the edge away are pretty boring or seem to go far down a rabbit hole it didn’t need to.
@@williamfrank962 If all people understood what you have just said here, life today would drastically improve. No one wants to see (the ones who claim too are spitting in the face of hierarchy and truth, breaking down what is good for all) LGBT, fat and less desirable looking people when it comes to stories that speak to all, Along with what you have stated in regards to the edge thing.
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To be very accurate, Superman CAN kill every single Viltrumite easily. Superman (on most diminisions) have very strong morals. He wouldn't kill intentionally. He would probably put them in the Phantom Zone.
In the main comics, when there was no phantom zone, superman killed 3 kryptonians by exposing them to kryptonite.
Just get an alternate version of Superman that kills. Like Injustice Superman
Superman killed Zod and his team using Kryptonite
Superman doesn't have a "no kill" rule he simply doesn't have to kill most of the time.
If there is no other way, then I do believe he would try to end them.
That’s the thing people think superman’s boring but he’s not people misunderstand superman because all they think about is the awful live action versions because they forget to include the fact that he’s a person but he has no personality. He just does stuff because he can submit doesn’t do the things he does, because he has to or feels like he has to he does it because he wants to because he was raised by people by humans with human values.
people who think that usually like the boringly edgy anti-heroes that have been pouring out of the woodwork recently. rather hypocritical of them to talk about bland when the one's they like are pretty bland sometimes themselves.
Thank you. Couldn't put it better
There are only a select few writers in the industry that actually understands Superman's character. Poor writers are one of the main reasons why we lose certain captivating characters.
People who keep using the evil Superman gimmick thinking it makes them edgy and cool are boring.
@@thanoseid2883Like the Punisher or Billy Butcher (hate the comic so much)
That clip you played at the end works so well since that's super close to how we've seen Viltrumites fight before
Justice League Unlimited is genuinely one of the greatest superhero adaptations in media.
On the topic of Superman, there is an arc spanning 2 seasons which questions Superman's intentions and nature. Whether he and the League would turn against humanity, citing Darkseid's influence as the prime example. In the end, Superman prevails and even recognizes his mistakes as a leader.
I’d like to also compare big bads.
Darkseid, Braniac and Doomsday. All soloing Planet Viltrum. Pretty easily, seeing as they’re not only Superman bad guys but team busting threats which Viltrum hasn’t seen on its conquest.
Darkseid has physicals better than Superman, Omega Beams likely one shot Viltrumites seeing as some random space chump’s gun scared Omniman.
Braniac is a heavily upgraded Robot, who was killing Viltrumites left n right. His “drones” give Superman a bad time, when he physically fights the original he just laughs at his punches. Viltrumites are doomed.
Which leads to Doomsday, who has physicals above Superman also, mindless killing machine with no morals and will be immune to whatever they try as it’s been done before.
I understand Invincible fans trying to use bias and jokes from the creator to make their point but it just doesn’t hold a flame to the man of steel. I’d probably cry about it too 😂
Also the father of Raven.
Trigon?
@@Glitchedpixel5 yeah
Yeah, obliterates Viltrum n all
General Zod solos all Viltrumites as well
Dude i can't even believe there is a discussion about this, superman is so much stronger than any single viltrumite it's ridicilous
Yet hes still weak to a glowing rock
You guys have no idea on how to fight.....
@@V15.12that’s a weakness lmfao, it’s not like any rock would just injure Superman
@@TheKingoftheAesir dosnt really make it better
@@V15.12 omni man is basically weak to dubstep
I just want to say thank you for being one of the only people ive really heard talk about the actual point of the superman story.
It's the story of an outsider trying to fit in and find his place in the world and maintain that, all the superpowers and fighting bad guys is extra.
Thats why ive always felt "The Adventures of Lois & Clark" and "Smallville" tv shows where the best representation of the character.
Here the thing I will always reference… who are the weakest of Supermans villains who managed give him an L vs the weakest of Invincibles enemies who managed to give him an L around the time of whatever age you want pluck Mark from.
Naw fr😂 doomsday and Darkseid clear
It's like I said in another video: Superman holding back relative to a fight with someone who can take it (such as Darkseid) would low- or mid-diff Omni-Man at worst, then give him a lecture on how to be a good person. Supes entertainment factor comes from his struggles to be a good person and human in a world made of paper where he could wake up one morning and call himself a god and there would be very little anyone could do to stop him. But a Superman on an alien world like Viltrum where everyone is his enemy and he doesn't have to hold back? Say bye-bye to your edgy space fascists.
Superman and one punch man are both interesting and fun characters because their strength isnt the point or focus of the story.
It means writers have to write in a completely different way.
Not pure shonen or action, but also not pure drama either.
Just touches of both but with the drawback of both as well.
A delicate balancing act that is very hard to pull off well.
Exactly. People see superman like Goku. His strength isn't supposed to be the point you're focusing on. But people don't get that. That's why people find him boring
@@villain9482yeah it’s a similar thing with characters like flash. If we take everything literally, flash could just solve every problem ever super fast but obviously writers no this so they write around it, they make him deal with the consequences of his actions and also make him deal with actual personal issues to make him relatable. Superman is usually written in a similar way
@@asurawrath11 exactly. I can't put it into words that'll really make sense but I can say superman's character was like just trying to be better and stronger. Not stronger in the physical way, but in the way that he doesn't just end everything with violence when he easily could. You ever see that comic where he could've easily saved a lady who was gonna commit suicide by just catching her? Instead he chose to promise her he wouldn't and he just stuck to his strongest power, his words. It was amazing and should've been what showed people what kind of character he is.
Also that movie where it looked like superman was killing that superpowered group and he gave them a speech. It's been a while. Can't explain that one.
"The knuckles who chuckles enters the chat"
The Batman who Laughs: "Hollup, hold my beer 🍺"
How you gonna call Supes boring when you’re very character is clearly inspired by him
Not even him, mainly superboy and Zod
Stop projecting your opinion on others on how Supes is boring like it’s a fact, other ppl share different views, ever think about that?
Exactly. That dumb shit made me laugh
He is boring..hou can be inspired by something and make it more interesting toward you and your audience
@BravoRox inspire is an understatement..Invincible series is great but...doesn't matter how much u try and change or alter its still a superman clone
@@BravoRoxI used to think like you, just try him out you will love him
@@Jason5818UIhe's not superman clone that's invincible. Omniman is just a zod rip off
Superman obliterates the entire verse with a sneeze, this has 0 idea who superman is.
Viltrumite Biology fascinate me, but in all honesty my money is on Superman. 😉
Glad to see people defending the best Superhero
The doctor doesnt say "crayons" he said "prions" which are misfolded proteins that can transmit its "misfoldedness" to normal variants of the same protein and trigger cellular death. Think of it as a cell that can "infect" other cells with mutations and can thus create degenerative diseases through that method.
No one mentions how Thragg and Mark can die by being dipped into the sun. In one of its most coolest parts.
It would be a Slaughter if Dooksday fought Omni-Man and his people the Viltrumites
2:25 "Crayons"
It's "prions" but damn I love the idea of them just jabbing crayons in Mark's blood sample and wondering why it's not doing anything
It's safe to say that if Krypton went to war with Viltrum, Kryptonians would have a 2nd planet to call home.
i would give the Viltrumites the W in that case. remember, Krypton has a red sun so none of the Kryptonians have powers. Viltrumites have their powers no matter where they go.
@@devildavin ahh fuck, I forgot about the red sun that Krypton orbits...
@@borderlands10 but could you imagine if they did have powers when krypton blows up. their planet just blows up beneth their feet and they are all just floating in space "The fuck happend?"
@devildavin I would still give the W to Krypton they still possessed super advanced technology with the gravity of their planet being different as well
Oh now you're VERY good at this. Your vocabulary, pacing, and narrative efforts were all top tier. Great video.
Krypto the super dog obliterates omni man and invincible simultaneously
U earned this like... i KNOW u understand superman when u explained what the character is about at his core
That last clip summed up the entire video's objective perfectly.
Should also be noted that Batman actually did teach Superman martial arts at one point and considering his brain works faster than most, with probably Batman being the rare exception to being faster thought processes (as he is one of the only characters to dodge Darkseid vision, and it was only his physical limitations as a human that orevents him from landing those dodges perfectly) Superman likely knows at least as far as the pure combative side of Bruces martial arts knowledge, everything the Dark Knight does.
I mean he lobotomized himself at one point (or was that bizarro? I can't remember for sure, but even if so, he's barely equal to Supes) so he i mean, he hits a Viltrimite on a pressure point with even a thousandth of his power, well... Fist of the North Star comes to mind 😂
alright superman simps, please try and pay attention. the superman character is written by a multitude of writers, many of whom are morons. this means no character consistency. ultimately we have to aggregate the character, separate out the nonsense. And since superman was killed by doomsday, he does have physical limits. So he can't actually hold a black hole in his hand, or a nonsense concept like a book with infinity pages. grow up. learn to analyze like an adult instead of a fanboi child. the viltrumites are an attempt to create a realistic, constant kryptonian concept, ergo, superman vs omni-man is a close enough matchup, with Thragg (or an older invincible) being a match.
When is comes to discusions on who is stronger the creators of the characters in question are the people who's takes you should discard. It doesn't matter what the matchup is. They will always say that the character they made would win.
"My (dad) can beat your (dad)." Anybody can *say* it, but it only carries weight for those who choose to *believe* it. ='[.]'=
People say superman is a boring character because they as pitiful excuses for men would if given superman's powers be evil, selfish, and childish. So they think him as unbelievable and instead form an affinity twords an omni man or homelander type character. Superman is realistic for a true man who is given power, not a athiest boy
I think most people who are given power would be bad. Can you name a single good billionaire or world leader? They're the most powerful people in the world.
so that's the guy who wrote invincible? With absolutely no respect for the source material he stole from. Classy, another reason not to bother with that comic anymore.
Robert Kirkman also created "The Walking Dead".
@@TheNonEdibleCheese never read that one either. Or watched the show
I don't think it's that serious
Thank you for ending with that animated Superman clip.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Seriously, thank you.
i do not engage in either shows/series, but ive seen this debate often, and this video shown me how it really is in terms of power-scaling who wins, but on the otherhand; what if superman is tricked into something that leads to a loss, maybe not death but just losing the battle? i mean hasnt batman beat him with his weakness of kryptonite once? or at least got him weak i think. again, i dont know much about any superhero/villain media. im just curious if this is a possibility or not.
yeah it could happen in this scenario since it’s hypothetically the Viltrumite with all their technology. I suppose they could have something that could “trick” Superman. As I stated in the video, the problem is understanding the full capabilities of what the viltrumite empire could actually do technology wise.
Considering they are and advanced species that have been conquering every type of species and society, it’s likely they have some sort of illusion technology or something else that can delude Clark. Unfortunately we just don’t have enough info on that kind of stuff to properly speculate
Superman is also really smart and his brain 🧠 is like a super computer , these viltrumite are dumb, pure numb nuts
Feel like if your comparing weaknesses, well one is weak to a rare rock everyone seems to have and the other is weak to screaming.
@@dagonofthedepths The green rock is not that rare, but yeah Superman beats everyone realistically, in his universe or in omniman's one.
Supes would one shot the planet, base earth supes speed alone is beyond anything viltrumites can handle
thank you for your time and effort to put this together
Superman would most definitely win.
Superman has more abilities at his disposal, including heat vision, that is literally powered by the sun. Considering the most powerful Viltrumite was killed from a dip in the sun, I’m going to bed a significantly less powerful Omniman or Mark would be greatly hurt by heat vision that draws power directly from solar energy. Combine that with the fact we’ve seen superman do far more impressive examples of physical strength, and it’s pretty much a guaranteed to win for the kryptonian. Yes Omniman has better training, but that will only get you so far. Superman’s raw power, experience fighting literal gods, and powers that directly counter his opponent would mean that in an unbiased fight, Superman would win.
And before anyone brings up the “the author says it, so that means it’s true”, first off he straight up, said that he was just trying to spark controversy so you have to take it with a grain of salt, considering he said it wanting to get people upset. Secondly, it’s true, that he may control the characters within the world of invincible, but he has no control over superman as a Character. So he can’t say with the man of steel can and can’t do.
Supermans power comes from the type of radiation the sun gives off, he can get that radiation from many things in space.
Yeah he can absorb energy from quasar, pulsar and every stars except red one and the amount of power he can absorb from them is different
But he never did dis he? Cause a quasars are too powerful for him they could kill him of. Not only that the majority of stars in the Universe are red stars. And he has a weakness for magic and green crystals. Lets face it. He has no business fighting Omniman or any other Viltrumite
@@chirazithat's legit crazy, the fuck, they don't know about superman
The sad part that nobody has realized is that the creators of Invincible have also said in the same interview that Invincible would wash The Hulk or Thanos...which is equally stupid as saying Invincible would "demolish" Superman.
Invincible lost to some big furry in their own show. lmao
Invincible demolish Supes? Unlikely as he's almost as big a boyscout as Supes is. Other viltrumites could easily kill supes and they'd do it before Supes even realized the threat he was facing. Supes not only lacks the killer instinct the Viltrumites have(his own ethical code prohibits him from killing even) the Viltrumites have no such weakness and would strangle him with his own guts for fun. They also on average possess EXPONENTIALLY greater martial skill and talent than Supes, who is a bralwer that relies on his powers more than martial ability. Each individual Viltrumite has literal centuries of experience too, while supes has a few decades tops.
Supes loses and badly, and fast. The only reason you supersimps dispute it is because you're fanbois and not rational people.
@@meganoobbg3387Exactly. Superman, Hulk, Thanos guys like that are way above the reach of Invincible or any other viltrumite.
@@Indubidably0That's the type of BS that the author of the Invincible comic has said in that interview. He has also said that Invincible can beat The Hulk because Hulk can't fly (even if he has easily trounced guys who can fly) or Thanos without the Infinity Gaunlet (he doesn't need it to one-shot Invincible, Omni-Man or Thragg)
At that point im starting to think the creator is just trolling, like just trying to piss off the powerscaling community who takes his words seriously.
I pretty much agree with your take on Superman. Especially the take that the writer/creator of one hero can't be the deciding factor that his character can beat the character of someone else's creation. I remember back before DC started trying to explain Supes powers so they "played nice" with physics, Supes was ultra-powerful.
Now I haven't kept up with DC since Crisis when Supergirl gave up her life to save Superman, so maybe they got away from that, but I know in the CW's Supergirl, they still had that going on...Like Supergirl couldn't fly in space.
But anyway, I was passing through an airport and stopped in one of the little shops and the guy had a number of comics for sale, so I had picked them up. One of them was interesting relating to Superman's power of flight. Superman and Supergirl had to work together to stop a huge asteroid from destroying Earth. Superman was dazed, and when he finally threw off the effects Supergirl was no where to be seen. He's able to calculate which direction Supergirl was thrown after stopping the asteroid so he takes off flying that direction.
He's not seeing her with his vision and he keeps going faster and faster. He going so fast he smashing through barrier after barrier separating the different realities until there is only 1 barrier left. But he sees her up ahead of him at this point and he continues after her. She passes on through this final barrier before he reaches her. He's just about to break it when The Spectre appears before him telling him to stop. But Superman doesn't and collides into him.
He "falls" and lands on a landscape of some kind, and Spectre appears there with him. Supes is pleading with him to let him get her, but Spectre is like "You can't. She's passed through the final veil and no living being may see the other side." Or something to that effect. He breaks down and finally says something like, "You got to save her." And Spectre is like, "All you had to do was ask." And Supergirl appears in his arms.
DC Comics Presents. It was Warworld they were tring to stop and damn that story is old as in pre Crisis old. He actually attempts to fight spectre who hands him his arse so to speak but as you said it wasn't until he asked that he got Kara back. Despite being pre Crisis It was still a damn good story that people remember 40 years later
Thank you for that! That was it, so wonderful to see it again! Yep, it is old, early 80s!@@KO-cp9ws
@@KO-cp9wsboth of you are very confused.
The only time Spectre faced Superman was after Supergirl was killed in Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Kara was never rescued or saved because she was killed by the Anti-monitor.
God himself sent the Spectre to stop Superman.
"You know who sent me."
Superman punched him and injured his hand and did nothing to Spectre because God was protecting him.
They did Superboy Prime dirty with Invincible punching him
Because they're high on "powder".
Superboy Prime would demolish Invincible, he broke the fabric of reality with a single punch
@@venividi8523 thank you
When did that happen? Lol.
@@davidbritton52820:10
You can see Superboys armor
Emperor mark has a chance since he basicaly scales above everyone at that point in time
super man literally lifted infinity. That is cannon. Mark is badass but no super man could unironically backhand slap him into red mist.
*_"a chance"_*
"The person who would win in a fight, is the person that the script writer wants to win."
Stan Lee
Batman’s greatest ally is Spider-Man’s worst enemy….the writers
If the guys in the intro conversation think Superman is boring, then they tacitly admit to lacking sufficient imagination.
Idk man, they literally made a comic so they don't lack too much imagination
@@ejosjek52.87 my 5-year-old nephew made a comic strip in his pre-school. When anyone can do it, that’s a non-standard.
I’m guessing you might pivot to: but they sold copies and have fans. Popularity isn’t a good measure either-“50 Shades of Grey” is a horribly written trilogy despite being one of the all-time best-selling series, while on the flip side “Moby Dick” and Edgar Allan Poe were near-universally panned as horrible (with “The Raven” being Poe’s exception during his lifetime and for decades afterward).
Great vid, and I agree with your conclusions overall in this particular versus battle.
One thing though. "Crayons" was actually "prions." Prions are odd, misfolded proteins that cause other proteins to deform. Mad Cow disease? That's a prion-based disease of a type called a transmissible spongiform encephalopathy, which basically eats big holes in brain-tissue, and there are many different types of these diseases (for example, "scrapie" in sheep and goats, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and "Kuru" in human beings.) They tend to have long incubation times, progress rapidly once the symptoms crop up, and are always fatal.
They are, fortunately, rare. But man, they scare the SHIT out of me.
I was gonna say this. Adorable subtitle error. And yes prions are scary.
No, from the context they definitely meant crayons. “Prions” makes zero sense in that scene.
@@zhaoliang4217I laughed.
As long as the sun still shines, superman will never loose to omni-man
Especially since Viltrumites, thragg included have NOWHERE near a Kryptonian's durability on the surface of the sun.
Even then, it would take a lot for superman to loose enough energy to begin to weaken from it. When the world Forger had trapped superman in a pocket dimension filled with red suns. Not only did superman survive the pocket universe, he flew through like 8 red suns and escaped the pocket universe.
i say superman gonna win i mean i know omni man and them are extremely strong but they still lack the strength of a kryptonian
So uhh if he gutpunched supes with a shiny green rock i guess supes just walks it off huh?
@MalcolmNessGranger So, um, if Supes whistles at a specific frequency and causes them to experience severe pain and become crippled at the same time, would they be able to shrug it off?
@@MalcolmNessGrangerthe thing about weaknesses is that Superman can power through them, if he sees kryptinite from a mile a way, all he needs to do is fly up to the nearest star and fly in it, then go back and would be immune for a couple of hours or as long as the fight lasts, Superman is the ultimate cheat code.
@@MalcolmNessGrangerwhere as viltrumites, arnt shown to do such feats, meanwhile Superman has literal lazers out of his eyballs that burn as hot or hotter than the surface of the sun, and well you know how extreme temperatures can do to vultrimites
@@MalcolmNessGranger Yeah mind explaining how he'd know that's supermans weakness? Hes not Batman lol he doesn't have contigency plans for everyone hes just a experienced fighter, nor will he know where to get that "shiny green rock"
I LOVE the "World of Cardboard" speech!
I think omniman vs metroman from Megamind would be a very cool fight. We never really see metroman’s full potential, but it’s obvious that he is way faster than omniman. Metroman literally sat down and relaxed faster than the speed of light, so he is capable of basically stopping time regardless of momentum. The movie also gives us a pretty good amount of evidence to show that Titan was not nearly as powerful as metroman. I believe that is a much more compelling fight than Superman. Superman just wouldn’t lose
Metroman vs Superman would be the fight bro.
Don't even get started on the Megamind lore. You know he's to powerful.
The speed feat your talking about has been calced and it only gets him to around massively hypersonic-sub relativistic to light. And seeing as his best feats are relative to titan he’s only city block level-city level. The current television version of mark slams metroman and Omni man probably wouldn’t even notice if he flew right through him.
@@davidcrocker846 its narratively implied multiple times that metro man is stronger than titan, prob just bc hes much more experienced. But yea ur right even if we HIGH ball and say metro man is multi city level, omni man would still one shot.
omni man flew to another galaxy in a week bro
This is Greg - - - - > 🐕
Greg can EASILY demolish both Superman and the Viltrum Empire with his left paw while taking a piss with his right.
I wrote Greg so it's canon.
All hail Greg! All hail Greg!
Greg,the canine deity
I feel like what separates them is Superman’s powers. I can see him using heat vision to cut up tons of viltramites. Or his freeze breath to freeze them and smash them into pieces
I don’t think that his heat vision or freeze breath would really affect them all that much, but those powers could definitely kill viltrimite half breeds
@@tropicalsniper5967they would because they’re that much weaker than most iterations of Superman. Viltrumites aren’t even planet level, they're at most multi-continental.
even particularly weak versions of superman like DCAU or Donnerverse make planet busting look like a joke. viltrumites would struggle to even comprehend or survive a moon level character.
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@@allyoucansee590 I mean I am right, their feats don’t even solidly reach the teraton range practically ever.
@@Brendan-kx8iy Bro a random viltrumite would kill any random kryptonian who just got poweres
I think that plot device is much stronger than that plot device!
Superman could wipe his ass with the entire Viltrumite empire. Superman is faster, more powerful, more experienced, and his heat vision would easily destroy any Viltrumite. Recently, Superman has gotten back to his Pre-Crisis power levels. Superman's speed has been shown lately to be so fast, to the naked eye, it looks like teleportation. The only person faster is Wally West and Barry Allen's versions of The Flash.
Two words ....... green rock
@@V15.12 It's not easy to find kryptonite anymore since the Superman Batman storyline where they removed most of it. Luthor has some, but no Viltrumite knows that. They don't have X-ray vision either. Superman is so much more powerful than the Viltrumite empire that it's not even funny. They're vulnerable to extreme heat from a sun, and Superman is powered by the sun. Their heart's are vulnerable to damage, which eventually kills them. He could take them out with his heat ray vision, and extreme power. Superman has recently been shown to have grown in power so much, he's basically at Pre-Crisis levels again. Thragg said it would take seven Viltrumites to destroy the Earth, but Superman could do that all by himself. The Man of Steel is simply on a higher power level.
@@homeaccount5943 didnt superman die like 6 times ? Like he has ben killed by the same guy Gog multiple times again and again , like he gets his ass kicked a lot , not even by big villains
@@V15.12 Wrong. Either you don't pay attention to what you read, and have low comprehension, or you never read The Kingdom story to begin with. Regardless of how you try to change the subject, Superman is significantly more powerful than any Viltrumite. People like yourself always show your limited knowledge. If you don't thoroughly read all the subject matter in the conversation, why bother trying to debate ? You're about as effective as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.
@@V15.12gog was special.
Read comics.
That was decades ago.
Be better.
Even with the clip at the end, Superman is still holding back. He doesn’t want to punch Darkseid so hard that there’s TOO much collateral damage.
Big Blue beats the Invincible Universe, little to no difficulty.
counterpoint, Superman doesn't have a moustache.
superman doesn't have a chance.
Batman contingency: Bring a razor and shave off their mustaches!
Comparing the viltrumites to Superman is like comparing Dan Hibiki to Akuma
*Truer words cannot be more spoken ( Superman is beyond gods creators and entities this guy is most definitely in a league of his own that is certain*
When you have a character like Superman, the writer always needs to make either villains that can either physically or mentally challenge him.
They've made some great stories in the past, I believe Invincible has more relatable stories through its character the writer and artists have made.
Also, the writer will make whichever hero win in a faceoff/battle.
As Stan Lee said "which character would win..it comes down to the writer.."
Superman is so strong in the comics he sneezed once and blew away a whole universe it’s no competition
Solar system* and he was essentially being amped by this magic powder mr mxy gave him during that feat. even then thats one of his weakest showing. hes too op
Almost as strong as Saitama.
@@VespoLiveGaminglight years stronger than saitama
@@VespoLiveGamingClark is light years stronger than saitama
I used to think Superman was boring when I was younger, but as I've grown up, knowing that it was never Superman's powers that made him the best Superhero, but the unyielding humanity within him. He is a Paragon. An example of what a human can be when given the power to crush worlds, but choosing not to. The power to crush gods in the palm of his hand without breaking a sweat, but instead, he chooses talking a jumper out of jumping off a building... Man. Superman is awesome.
To be honest I think the Viltrumites could find out about kryptonite if they had time to gather intelligence on him and his planet.
Well krypton is gone now
Flying to a Red Sun would be easier. Why do people think Kryptonite is Superman's only weakness?
Using only his voice, Superman is able to kill all the Viltrumites on the planet
Yeah sorry but when you say Superman is boring you've already lost the whole convo. Superman could have been considered boring only during the 50s, 60s and early 70s, when he (and comics as a whole) was constrained by the Comics Code Authority (which was basically controlled in large part by... Archie Comics. No really.), which made him into this stodgy, pro-establishment, conservative-ish figure for a time (same thing made Batman and his rogues gallery a corny joke during that time -see the Adam West show).
But then as the Comics Code's limitations gradually went away he slowly got his cred back through some amazing stories by the 80s, like Alan Moore's "For the Man who has Everything" and "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?", and by the time his "death" rolled around he was pretty much back to being the icon we know him as, and he's stayed that way since then. He's not boring, he represents the best of what we are and the best of what we could become. THAT's what it really means to be the Man of Tomorrow.
Seriously show both superhero symbols to foreigners all over the world see who recognizes what. I would bet all my peak season payout that everyone knows Superman.
Post Crisis has also beaten universal threats like Dominus by using Torquasm Rao and Vo, which basically is like Ultra Instinct.
So glad you included Superman's "Cut loose" speech from the Justice League cartoon.
Thanks for the video! Curious what a discussion around Kryptonite would be from Superman fans. For me I never liked how Superman is basically the most powerful being (or one of the most) ever, but once kryptonite is in the mix anyone could have a fighting chance or beat him. Characters in the Invincible universe have more realistic outcomes in terms of death and tragedy if superheroes were real. So I think it’s feasible if Superman ever crossed paths with a Viltrumite and kryptonite was used, Superman would be killed quickly. I don’t know Superman lore that well, but has he ever killed his villains intentionally (like in the MOS movie). The famous stories I have read, I believe he has a no kill philosophy. Lmk, thanks!
Superman lore doesn't matter... they just keep making up more ridiculous things to add to the character. There have always been other characters in DC more powerful; they put them to the back burner and overscale Superman up. Theoretically, there should be no need for the Justice League or Green Lantern Corps. according to how most Superman iterations are portrayed. Why draw out a fight with Lex that will cost the city hundreds of millions of dollars in insurance and damages if you're powerful enough to punch a hole in a star. End the fight in 3 seconds so everybody can go home.
What I don’t like is how Superman’s strength jumps around.
"The person who would win in a fight is the person the WRITER wants to win". Stan Lee.
3:12 that isn't a nuke, it is a directed energy weapon, 2nd he can't withstand a black hole, he is a good distance from the event horizon and is about to yeet himself into to commit suicide
Superman's not boring, he's simple but well done.