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How Heated Humidity Can Improve Sleep with CPAP.
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During the winter( in Canada), I often get water in the hose. Easily corrected by placing a long sock( toe cut open) over the hose. It insulated the heated hose from the cold.
My husband has been on CPAP for years. The first week he had it, he abandoned the humidifier because of the dripping. Then for months he would complain about his sinuses closing up while he was using it. We never heard of rainout. Nobody has ever helped him, or followed up. Now after so many years, he is used to it, but I'm going to set him up with this heated tube, since he's due for a new machine soon. Thank you!!
Best of luck!
My dr wanted me to use heated tubing but when I went to get it my supplier asked “ do you really want that it just blows warm to hot air” that sounded terrible so I opted for non heated. Later I said I wanted to try heated and the supplier said I can’t because I don’t have a prescription for it? My dr said that I always have had the prescription and that I’ve been charged for heated all these years when I’m not getting heated. Rather mad at the supplier for lies and not accurate information on c pap supplies when I was new and not knowing anything about it.
I get inflammation in my sinuses a lot. I've even had to swap regular cheese for vegan 6/7 days/wk. But I still wake up at night frequently with sinus inflammation. Now because of this video, I know it's probably because I had my bi-pap humidity turned off. I also have been using some of the cheaper tubing. I'm so glad you explained about the difference in the heated tubing! More than worth a few extra $! Thank you so much for this video! Great explanation of the settings. Resmed should just hire you as the CPAP guy and pay you a million dollars a yr and be done with it! We can clearly see that those stuffy guys in the instruction videos don't even use Cpaps.
Started CPAP 5 months ago and really got a lot of value from watching your videos. The sleepy head app helped me learn what masks were working and how my pressures and settings could be adjusted to dial in really good sleep. Tried a number of masks and finally found a couple that work great and keep my AHI below 1. CPAP supplies has also been great on getting equipment at a fair price. Appreciate all your help.
I use a heated tube on my DreamStation. I absolutely love it.
I've been waiting since it was suggested I might have sleep apnea (on March 15th 2020) to start CPAP and the day is finally almost here. The Pandemic slowed everything down by a year, otherwise I'm sure this would be 'old hat' by now. I've been watching your vids for a whole year now & at every stage I've been so glad I have your channel to watch. It makes so many sorta boring or technical details interesting and funny even. It's nice to hear that most of the 'non-compliance' is due to easily remedied things, much of which more education could ease. I'm still nervous about it not working for me, because I really want my life back, but this 'Papper knowledge is helping. So glad to find your channel and appreciate the mixture of expertise and random goofiness. Thank you ! :)
It will take some adjustment time. But I never went back. Almost 3y now. Persist.
I concur with Continuous Conversation, my first night was very restful and I haven't looked back since. One thing: sometimes people expect miracle cures, sort of magic wand effect, it's not the case but the improvement in sleep quality compensates for the drawbacks, good luck.
Yes, my wife uses heated hose. All works well! Nice video.
Thank you for all your mask reviews. Just being able to see how they work and fit on an actual human has prevented so much frustration. I am on a noninvasive ventilator 24/7 and would literally be dead in 5 minutes without it. Nasal pillows and masks allow me to eat and sleep safely and without them I would have needed a tracheostomy and feeding tube years ago.
Hi Jason - thanks for all the info. I have been using CPAP for 2 months - a real newbie. I was experiencing TMJ issues and was frustrated. I purchased a cervical collar and the TMJ pain disappeared. Just thought I'd share with you. Thanks again.
hai i know this was 2 years ago, but what cervical collar did u get? my neck is hurting alot. im debating on weather using a collar oe getting cpap pillow with the neck support
Because I live in a humid area, I keep my humidifier off, and I sleep with my tubing, so I don't need heated tubing.
Usually I start having problems and fight for a week with it. Then oh yeah time to change humidity and temp. Myself I like a cooler temp 70-72 and adjust 2 to 3 for level. Good stuff as always. None of the folks that work with me even have or used a machine
I LOVE the humidity
Lefty, I've used BiPap for 35 plus years. 25/20 with 5 L O2 Bleed. Yes, it's amazing I'm alive and not suffocated yet. over the years I thought that I had run into every problem you could imagine. Recently in a months period I have had seven defective water Chambers. They start leaking within a day or two brand-new out-of-the-box. Some of them have even been loose around the steam at the bottom but for the most part after they've been used a couple of days you can see little micro-cracks all around the seam. My machine is fairly new I took it into the provider and they're sending it for repair thinking possibly it's overheating? I got a loaner from them I applied a brand-new out-of-the-box chamber and again within 4 days it was leaking. Out of all these Chambers they have either leaked slowly or a deluge. This is the aircurve 10-unit. After going through two machines I don't think it's a problem with the machine. I have written extensively ResMedand they are completely useless when it comes to their customer service? Their only solution is for me to deal with the provider that sent me the chambers.That would be Lincare who have replced two. I would think a company like ResMed would be concerned what a patient / customer with profound sleep apnea might suffocate from their product? right now I am suffering horribly with dry cracked mouth because I'm afraid to put another humidity chamber in this machine. I have applied the end cap which I only recently found out you can purchase! I just wondered if you had heard of anything like this or any solutions you might suggest I appreciate your videos. I informed them I was going to report it to the consumer product safety division and the FDA. I never knew they were such a sorry company!
Mind blown 🤯 omg I will be switching to auto no wonder I was having problem and feel like I was suffocating
First again! Thanks for the jaw drop advice.
I love the heated tube!! When you plug it in, I thought it automatically adjusted to auto mode.. will have to check now.. works great, thanks for the info!! ❤👍
Thanks for your videos Jason!
I use a ResMed Airsense 11 with the heated hose. When set to auto, the water chamber runs dry before morning drying out my sinuses. I live in Arkansas high humidity here.
yes and yes....helpful.
I think I need the heated hose for my dry mouth
I’m 4 months in, started in summer. When my tech said to choose Auto heat and humidity, I thought he was cray bc I hate sleeping when it’s too hot. For 3 months I played around with the settings, was mostly successful not getting dry mouth. But once fall came, windows open, I got rainout. Auto everything has saved my sanity!
After how long on cpap did you feel it actually helped?
I did well from the beginning. However, I well remember my DME telling me the failure rate was quite high. 😭
Hey guys and gals
I have been on cpap almost 3 years now.
Last year I finally figured out that I do better with a nasal pillow mask from dream wear under the noses style I’m doing awesome 😊
I personally like cold air to fall asleep by, I do use the heater element on my Cpap, but to fall asleep I add several ice cubes in my water tank. It works for me...
Cool idea
Would that be an Ice Pap.
@@tiko722 I think she meant just ice cubes, they will melt in the end. An ice pad would require to take it out interrupting the sleep cycle.
Hi @TheLankyLefty27. I just discovered your videos and I'm enjoying going through them. I've been a CPAP user for the past 30 years. I've seen things, man... I've seen things. :-) A year ago I got my 3rd CPAP machine ever. Airsense 10 APAP and I love it. Anyway, just wanted to say "Hi" and I'm really enjoying your videos and your sense of humor in your videos. Thank you!
Thanks for watching Ken. Glad that you are enjoying them!
The humidifier sometimes causes upper respiratory infections. I think you have to clean the tub every day. I noticed my sinuses are not as dry when I use it though. I’m still trying to figure out if I want to use the humidifier. I stopped using it four months ago.
I have tried auto settings on both humidity and temp, as well as 3-4 for humidity and a temp of 65-75...Occasionally I get so much water it gurgles, but almost daily around 430am I wake with a wet nose and water in my mask (heated tube is usually dry). My supply person told me "I must exhale extra hot air"...not very helpful! (I have tried 5 masks and happens with all of them) I love my cpap - so my solution right now is to have a second mask handy and switch in a dry one for the wet one!
Have you tried hose cosy? It really helped me.
I love the heated tubing. I use to wake up inhaling water without it.
I don’t know how anyone does without heated humidity.
A dude on reddit said he's been doing it for 2 years without heated humidity. 😳
@@NecroBanana Here's a dude who has been doing it for 30 years without heated humidity. :-) I tried it for a couple of weeks about a month ago. It didn't seem to do that much for me. Strangely, I seemed to have more leaks with it...
I tape my mouth shut now. Works
My wife tapes my mouth shut all the time, but that is to stop me talking, apparently I talk to much but I don't think so but I have to believe her because she is always right, well that is what she says so I guess after 40 years she may be right and I am wrong as usual.
@@mickgee1456 🤣
@Mike Stevenson- me too, it’s such an easy fix! And cheap too!
I have had the same machine for a month - GREAT machine. The ramp time of 45 min is terrible. You will be struggeling with apneas and hypopneas all the time, and over again if you restart the machine during the night, because the machine does not respond to your apneas during that time. Set at max 15 or 5 min or make your doctor turn it of, as a start, and im sure you will have better sleep just from that. An auto setup 4-20 is ok for a month, but you should download PrismaTS software and take over the control instead of running auto as doctors prescribed. Im sure you would benefit from a higher minimum pressure and a lower max pressure. If you take the time and see a lot of videos from cpapreviews and thelankylefty27 you will understand. It is easy to enter the clinical menu on the machine and change settings. I learned myself this and have a minimum of 10.5 and max set at 15. Sleep so much better now. No softpap, softstart. An ahi 1-2 from 66! My doctors would not allow me to take matters in own hands at first, but a last meeting they had NO better solution and just let me continue 😂. Btw i now use same maske, after 5-6 others.
Set to cpap, one pressure
And turn off ramp
11:25 pm
When using a nasal make I get sinus issues that don’t clear up if I continue to use.
If I use a face mask my chest hurts and I have to use my inhaler.
Any suggestions?
The humidifier on my airsense 10 i had for over 2 years stopped working. I got a new one but the humidifier is only on for a set number of minutes and then turns off for the remaining time im using it. Is this a change from machines made 2yrs ago. Im now on my third machine due to the humidifier plate would not heat up enough. I dont want a heated tube I want my humidifier to stay on like my old one.
I have a problem with really moist warm air being blown up my nose as I feel that I can't breathe. I want to drop my mouth open and gasp for air. I've learned to set my humidity level at either 3 or 4 and to turn the heat off altogether. No more bouts of gasping.
I rub a dab of Vaseline in each nostril and use non-heated air. In winter the air is heated with low humidity.
Good timing - been considering this.
I use heated tube and keep it all on auto. Haven't found the perfect mask yet because I can't use nasal masks. I have to use full face because I wake up in the middle of the night with a clogged nose with nasal masks. The vitara is bearable. My favorite so far.
I have had my doctor prescribe me Avamist to help in nose clogging, it has worked fine.
@@wetrock2766 Can't take stuff like that due to my heart
@@r.r.hughes9808 Exactly, nasal sprays are potent artery constrictors definitely not recommended for heart conditions, however Avamist needs a prescription and is a kind of soft cortisone that has a very local action on the irritated nasal mucosa. Check with your specialist, who knows it might help you, good luck.
Ok - This is good but -> I can’t stand the heat. -> I can’t stand the heat. I would rip the mask off after getting physically overheated regularly. So my adherence was abysmal. Spoke to my doc - and he said stop using water, and turn off the humidity. I did that. I have turned off the humidifier, and my use rates improved vastly. I do sometimes suffer from inflammation in my sinuses, and your description of the sounds from my mouth is spot on. SO how can I get humidity WITHOUT heat. I’m using a Dreamstation 2.
Do other machines allow for cool humidity?
Thanks!
i like an 8 on humidity, i'd try higher if i could, especially since switching to the f30 which seems to dry people out more for some reason. i've always wished i could set the humidity to what i want, and then the temperature to auto. because auto humidity keeps the air too dry for me. and then the humidity heats my room up too much, especially if i have the temperature set high to combat rainout. putting the cpap machine lower than my bed helps a lot, and i've been covering my tube with a blanket but i saw someone say they cut the top of a long sock to cover the tube so i'll try that. because sometimes i have to take the tube out and shake the water out and get it clicked back in before the pressure stops, because sometimes my pressure doesn't go as high when the air comes on again, sometimes it dips without that though. and yes my cpap supplier troubleshooted that with me, the cpu didn't recognize it was happening, but i was adamant enough so they got me a new machine through warranty which does it much less .and i saw a cool idea that someone puts ice cubes in their chamber because they like cool air. and i would make distilled water ice cubes lol. i also run out of water in my chamber some nights and it always starts off at the max line.
I have the new dreamstation. Didn't get heated tube because I also have oxygen connected. I have heat on machine set on 4. I have sore throat and ear ache. Doc gave meds. 3 days later I notice no difference. I figure it is the air from machine keeping irritation going. Should I turn machine on 5? That seems real warm. Tks for any suggestions.
I learned a lot with this video. Thanks!
N20 = my mask, Resmed 10 + climate line tube the machine, with additional Respironics chin strap. Unfortunately Resmed's automatic settings for tube climate and temp do cause rainout to occur within my mask (have no answer for why that happens - don't know if the machine measures humidity at the mixing chamber or at the end of the climate line tube. Have since set humidity manually to level 4 with mixed results).
Same here. Automatic settings would not work we me either.
The difference in room temperature and CPAP air temperature is the cause of the condensation. Is the room temp rather cool during the night? If the tube is heated it might be OK but the warm air hit's the cooled mask surface and condensates there. Has you mask got a vent hole for exhaled air, is it blocked when you sleep? I use manual settings on my machine.
The hose cosy made huge difference on rainout.
Sure would have been nice to get how the Dreamstation settings work. Just the same, glad I watched and I will keep plugging away at getting my stuff right.
I have a dream station settings video.
I used to tape my mouth shut but I got a full face mask now.
I love the heated humidity but had to turn it down since I felt like I was breathing swampy air on auto.
*Today is: 4/26/2022...I'm having Cataract surgery soon....do I need to worry about having a CPAP machine on during procedure?? It's not a full anesthesia sedation....I'm having what they call a "Twilight Sedation"....like for Colonoscopies. Anyone can answer. Thank you!*
If I don’t have my tube heated and humidified, I get an instant headache that feels like brain freeze until I take my mask off
Thanks lefty, I have the Res Med air sense10 and I can't sleep without it. I have to wear a chin strap or my moth opens and I snore and wake up with a very sore throat. I sometimes add 2 drops of eucalyptus oil to my water chamber and instead of removing my water reservoir I DRILLED A HOLE IN THE TOP AND USE A SMALL CORK TO PLUG IT. The reason being, because of taking it out and opening the top to fill it night after night I started to get a whistle (air leakage) which got very annoying trying to get it in just the right position so it wouldn't wake the wife. Oh, this is a science to me. I HAVE TO BE COMFORTABLE because we spend 1/3 of our life in bed, so I want to be comfortable. I notice that some nights I wake up with a dry mouth (I keep a bottle of water that I can sip on right next to me on my nightstand) and I'm definitely invest in this heated tube.
OH man! I've been thinking about doing this very same thing!!!
Actually, I'm dreaming up a system where I could connect a larger reservoir of water, like the gallon jug of distilled, and it would just maintain a fixed level all night.
I've also been looking to see if anyone makes just a larger reservoir for my machine, but so far no luck.
Thanks for confirming the "hole and cork" thing will work.
Cheers.
@@BLenz-114they make a reservoir attachment for it
Why would you put oil in your tank?! It goes to your LUNGS! Very dangerous
IF your nose is plugged up and your having a hard time breathing through your nose, what do you do? Do you use a vick's inhaler to open up your nasal passage? Even if you use a vicks inhaler, isn't that getting in your lungs too. Sometimes and very rarely do I put 1 drop of eucalyptus oil in my water chamber to open up my nasal passages. I use a nasal mask and some people have different oils that spray a mist and they're breathing that in, so what's your point?
@@screamtoasigh9984
I got a C-spring a while back. Solved my issues.
I have a heated tube but can't use it dew to adding Oxgen to my CPAP, the Oxgen coupler goes on a heated tube
Great video, i sleep with mouth open and a heavy snorer do I have to use a full face mask ? I used the f20 and f30i amd I get a lot of air leak amd a bit uncomfortable any tips please thanks In advance!
I use Micropore tape on my mouth, read below how I do it, I have had success doing so. Have your pressure evaluated and the mask adjustment, you have to find the right mask position and type, tighten it up a bit, you need to experiment.
0:41 “Zero education and zero follow up”
What is your favorite mask
So can I use 'heated' tube without humidifier?? The Humidifier is a PIA?!
My mouth mouth was dry as a dessert I bought the heater hose slept 😊like a baby paid forty five dollars
my humidifier tank is completely dry in am Is humidifier set too high
I have an air s 10 auto with heated tube set on auto and I'm getting droplets in my pillow mask.
Hi do I need to change the settings on my resmed airsence 10 for the v-com?
I dislike how hot it becomes before I fall asleep. Also I got lots of noisy water in my heated tubing if I let it get too warm which makes no sense according to what you have said here.
Please a review of the Dreamstation 2! I'm hearing good and bad things about it!
As we speak.....
I use the heater tune Jason but my mouths still a little dry and I keep water on my bedstand for just a slurp at night but obviously it still wakes me up
Biotene moisturizing mouthwash and Xylimelts lozenges. this with humidity of 8 helps my dry mouth.
Jason, any concern about humidity causing respiratory issues? Assume for a second we keep everything extremely clean so it's not a bacterial issue...im asking strictly about the humidity causing issues.
I'm struck how much water my cpap uses each night and I wonder if that's a good thing.
I have noticed that I use a lot more water when my mask leaks a lot some nights. My humidity level is cranked up to the max with pressure set at 10.
Jason: Is there some reason why changing only the tubing from the regular to the heated (Resmed Air Curve 10) would significantly change the way the pressures feel in a bi-level configuration? Thats what happened when I changed to heated. I changed no other settings. (Love the vids, man!)
Hi Jason, I am suffering from sleep apnea for since long and using CPAP for 5 years but I always feel lethargic during the morning and don't feel energetic most of the time. I have tried to do an analysis of my CPAP data but could not reach any conclusion. I have been to many sleep specialists for getting my data analyzed but I think most of the doctors are not trained to do this. Is there something you can help me to review my sleep data and suggest the settings or my sleeping postures? I would really be very thankful to you in case you can please help me with this.
I use a heated hose on my resmed but I still get droplets inside my N20 mask.
Water condensates on the cool mask surface, try to raise your room temperature a bit for a few nights.
I use that mask as well and have the same problem as I keep my room cold. the only thing that helps is to cover my face with my sheet . This can be uncomfortable so usually get up and wipe out mask then go back to bed.
The hose cosy has worked for me to solve this problem.
Hi... I need some recommendations nasal masks that can handle at 12 setting without much leaking. thanks.
Most of them if they are the correct size and put on properly. Bleep Dreamway is a great one. N20 as well. Lots of others too.
I need help! I cannot tolerate any heat at all, I have been packing Cpap with ice but as soon as the ice melts, I wake up, also mouth and nose very dry. I wish there was a way to have humidity with out heat, but thats how science works, do you have any suggestions? I h ave to have it absolutely cool when I sleep, can stand heat around my face. Thank you!!
I understand about not liking the heat, but packing with ice, while I don't doubt it makes it cooler, will actually make the air even dryer. The moisture will condense out on the cold ice.
There are ultrasonic room humidifiers that make mist without heat. You might be able to DIY a solution with an ultrasonic humidifier and some tubing attached to your humidity chamber?
I don't THINK there would be any danger there, but I'm not a doctor or an electrician. 😊
@@BLenz-114 that makes sense! I will check that out.
Have you heard anything about the problems some are having with the Dream Station?
I have. The timing makes me raise an eyebrow.
Hey Lefty, I'm not using a humidifier tank but in the winter I get rain out. Will a heated hose help?
Y. But put your machine on the floor
I use heated tubing, but they are a real pain to clean, since they can't be submerged. What's the best way to clean heated tubing? Thanks Jason!
The instructions with my dreamstation materials said I could fully submerge the heated tubing I'm pretty sure. Just make sure the connectors are fully dry before using. I use a hurricane dryer so everything always comes out bone dry in less than an hour.
Admittedly I don't usually submerge my heated hose (I have though), I just rinse it out thoroughly with soapy water or mask bright & water, but I'm soaking the connector and not trying to keep it dry. I'm going on 2 months with my 1st hose still and no issues. It still heats like it should.
@@TheRPhelps24 Thank you! I'll give it a try. Love my Hurricane, too.
@@bobalouie2413 , fringe benefit of the hurricane dryer is it makes drying reusable (but too delicate for laundry cleaning) covid masks a cinch!
@@TheRPhelps24That's a great idea! When n95 masks were really scarce, I was also running them through the ozone cleaner.. Desperate times! LOL
I have used the resmed heated tubing for 6 years and submerge to clean every week.
My mouth opens during the night and wakes me with dry throat and nostrils even with humidification,
I’m going to try taping my mouth shut, what’s the best tape for this, I do have some wide painters tape.
Micropore from 3M, 2 inch wide (box of ten rolls on Amazon), put two four inch long strips on your mouth overlapping them plus two more diagonal 3 inch long strips in the shape of a V on either side of your nose to your chin. Wash your face because skin oils prevent a good seal. This way has fixed 85% of my problem. This tape breathes so it will let some air trough and should not irritate your skin like painters tape will. I take glue residue off in the morning with rubbing alcohol (that stings a bit also you can use the same cream mechanics use to clean their hands, it's more skin friendly than alcohol.) You can leave a tab to quickly remove the tape in an emergency, I never had a problem of the sort. This solution was found with a few months of trial and error, I'm happy to share it with you here. If someone has a better trick please let us know.
@@wetrock2766 thank you very much for the advice
@@wetrock2766 I'm going to try this one, I hate my chin strap.
@@aroncontinuousconversation You know, this is not a magic trick but it's what I found gives a better result most of the time, much better than full apnea also, I get a better reading when I sleep on my side than when I sleep on my back, good luck to you.
@Wetrock do you use an special pillow? My shoulders get sore when sleeping my side. There are SO many options with pillows that I haven't decided about one yet.
I use a heated tube and I keep getting dry mouth. I use a full face mask. I wind up waking up in the middle over the night having to drink water. Most nights I use cpap for 4 hours and then take it off and get a couple of hours of sleep without it. I have been adjusting different settings for humidity and temperature but it just seems not to work.
Elephant man
The hobos are shook
"Papper People" HAHAHAHAHA I tried using the climate control but didn't really like it so I went back to a regular tube. But that's just me.