2023 Twin Tip All-Mountain Ski Comparison with SkiEssentials.com
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- We got a lot of comments asking for a Twin Tip Comparison this season and we were happy to oblige!
A couple thoughts. We tried to focus more on park-oriented twin tips for this as we've had a lot of all-mountain twins in our other comparisons. We were also bummed to not include Faction in this one. Unfortunately, we're still waiting for our order to arrive. Anyways, we hope you enjoy!
0:00 - Intro
2:10 - K2 Reckoner 92
6:35 - Dynastar Menace 90
9:00 - Head Oblivion 79
11:30 - Volkl Revolt 86
15:40 - K2 Sight
20:40 - Line Honey Badger
23:25 - Head Oblivion 84
27:50 - Volkl Revolt 95
32:55 - Liberty Helix 88
37:00 - Line Tom Wallisch Pro
40:40 - Atomic Bent 90
45:15 - Head Oblivion 94
48:15 - K2 Poacher
52:05 - Liberty Helix 98
54:50 - Line Chronic
57:50 - Armada ARV 96
1:01:30 - Volkl Revolt 90
1:06:40 - Armada BDog
1:10:30 - Armada Edollo
1:14:20 - Black Crows Captis
1:18:25 - Dynastar M-Free 99
1:22:20 - Nordica Unleashed 98
1:27:50 - Rossignol Black Ops 98
1:31:50 - Black Crows Mirus Cor
"I will not" -Bob 🤣🤣🤣
U guys are legends. SOO much useful and qualified information. Amazing Video, thank you!
Thanks, Eric! We'll keep pumping them out!
SE
THIS! I've kept ping-ponging between Rossi BlkOps 98, Bent Chetler 100 and Faction Candide 2.0, and now Nordica Unleashed 98. Super excited!
It's tough to argue against either the Blackops or the Unleashed, especially if you're looking for something on the sturdier end of the spectrum. For lighter and more playful/freestyle choices, the Candide and Bent fall more into that category. We really like the Unleashed overall.
Thank you!
I love what you doing, one of the best source of info about skies in the world!
Thanks so much!
Great vid as usual. Wealth of knowledge there
Thank you!
Hi Jeff/Bob, love these vids, so helpful but also somewhat overwhelming to decide what to get. I really like the Atomic Bent 90 in 175cm, but also the Black Crows Mirus Cor 173cm. Can you tell me does the short turn radius of the Mirus Cor mean a need to size up? I think I overall prefer a shorter turn radius on my skis. I ski all mountain in Europe, piste/powder etc and want to improve my switch skiing - don't really do any park, more just pops off side hits etc. Which of these two skis would you recommend I get?
We've noticed that the Mirus Cor has a whole lot to offer in a short radius. It's a cleaner and sharper turner than the Bent, and still has great freestyle and park capabilities. While the Bent is a better pure freestyle ski, the Mirus Cor has quickly climbed our list of must-ski skis. I'd say you can size up to the 178 if you're caught in the middle.
Had a buddy who was a freestyle skier at KMS back in the day the chronic was his go to ski when he wasn’t on his harts.
It's finally here! Been waiting for this one, thanks guys.
You're welcome! Very fun lineup!
Never even thought of getting liberty helix 88s but now I might have to try them out
It certainly falls on the freestyle side of the spectrum due to the shape!
Crazy that I just bought the QST 92 with bindings for less than that Reckoner. Thanks Ski Essentials!
Glad you got a good deal on great skis! Have a great winter with all that extra $$$!
QST 92 have just cracked on me after about 10 days of using it, I am now thinking about buying a Reckoner 102.
@@leventeszilagyi8165 Yikes! Glad you’re ok
Skied some ninthward park skies with insane camber until they broke. Really like light, poppy twins, also want to be able to butter and shred all mountain. Tried the line optic 96s recently and liked them, could you recommend any other skis to demo? Also the graphic’s definitely important for me too:)
Armada ARV 96 and Faction Prodigy 1 should be on that list for sure!
I would like to pass a motion that we all begin calling twin tip skis “twips” from now on!
Oooh, I like that! Second, and will pass it along to the World Ski Vocabulary HQ.
Hey y'all. Just getting back to it after having been away for YEARS and Thank You for you're VID's and content! What would you recommend for (literally) Flying... Airs, gaps... that sort of ski... anyway, wonderful thing 'ya got here! Cheers
Thanks!
I'd check out the Head Oblivion 94--the more we get on that ski, the more we like it for in-air as well as on-snow capabilities. It's a real ski that has a ton of energy to it.
Hey, love the video, but do you think the menace M 90 or the Rossignol sprayer would be better for my 13 year old son? He is an intermediate skier and we mainly ski at Perfect North in Indiana. Thanks in advance!
Hey Drew! Either would work just fine. There is difference in width, and one could make an argument that the Sprayer would be more appropriate for where you live, but 90 mm (the Menace) isn't drastically wide by any means. Perfectly reasonable. We also have the Menace 80, which might be worth considering: www.skiessentials.com/2023-dynastar-m-menace-80-skis-w-xpress-10-gw-bindings.html
great video thanks
K2 is putting a TON of work into their boots right now and it shows. They're very committed to making good products throughout their entire boot catalog, which has become on of the biggest in the industry. It's quite impressive overall.
I just got sights and I want to ski them on piste as well as in the park. Any tips on if I should mount them true center or further back?
If you're not full-time park, or know that you want true center, I'd go about -4 from the middle.
Can’t decide between TW pros or the chronic love the park but some times find myself out of it but I’m wondering if the weight difference is a factor or not
I don't find the weight difference to be a major factor between them, no. I would say the softer flex pattern and wider platform of the Chronic makes a bigger difference. Better in soft snow, easier for slow speed/ground tricks like butters, presses, etc, just not as precise, responsive, or supportive for big landings as the TW.
Hey I’ve been torn between the Tom Wallisch LINE skis and the Liberty Helix 88’s. I was wondering which ones you guys your recommend, I prefer to ski park as i spend about 80% of my time on the mountain there, but i will venture off onto some icy groomers.
I'd say the Line has some better all-mountain opportunities vs. the symmetrical helix. The Line is almost there, but still has some good versatility to it.
Would you consider the EDOLLOs an all mountain ski? Considering they are wider underfoot, and have the 3 step side wall would they hold up fine on groomers and deeper snow?
While we wouldn't likely put it into the all-mountain category on our site, it certainly has the width and ability to handle a wide variety of terrain and snow conditions. They'll do just fine on groomers and in powder, but since it's such a specialty ski with athlete design, skis like this don't usually fit into industry-wide categories as easily as some others.
Hi, ive been looking at the volkl revolt 86 for a while now and i was wondering if i dont hit rails and i want a freestyle ski that i can kind of use as an allmountain ish ski should i stick with the recommended center mount or should i go a bit further back, like -1 -2. Thanks!
I think if you're hesitant at all, it's good to go further back. Even -2 is still pretty forward for most skiers.
I would be very grateful and excited if you guys test the Armada Whitewalker 116.
We would love to test that ski, especially in the intended conditions and terrain.
i just bought the line chronic, should i mount the bindings true center or the recommended position from line?
If you're looking for freestyle/park performance, I'd go true center and make the most of it!
Do you guys think that the m-free 99 would be a ski that could be mounted a bit more centered and used as a 50/50 park ski? Am currently on armada strangers and kinda want something that feels similar just less directional
The M-Free feels just like the Stranger in terms of construction sturdiness, but you're correct in that it feels more like a freestyle twin with the crazy splay in the tail. I think you're on the right track for sure.
I should buy the k2 sight as a durable all mountain ski. Is the mounting point standard true center for the park? Should I mount them 4 cm to the back from true center for better all mountain performance?
If you're looking for any type of all-mountain performance, I'd go with the -4 mount on that ski.
love it
im a 6'3 225 lb skiier, who mainly skis east coast with a trip or two out west every year. was looking at the 98 blackops but the 182 length seems too short, would going to 192 length for them work or am I better off trying to find another ski?
I'm right there with you in sizing. I'm 6/2 225 and like the 182, but love the 192.
Bit late to the video but I’m trying to choose my skis for next season and I’m having a bit of trouble. I live in the East Coast and I’m looking for a ski that’s aimed at park but still playful enough to go on the rest of the mountain. I don’t know if I should go with the Chronics, the ARVs, the Revolts, or the Sights. Any advice?
I think the mid-90's is a good place to be for skis like this. If you're looking for lighter and more agile, I'd go Chronic, but for more sturdy and stable, the ARV. I'd bump the Sight up to the Poacher to fit into this grouping, and that one aligns more with the ARV than the Chronic. If you're not sure which way to lean, get the Revolt. We have it at a great price right now as well: www.skiessentials.com/2023-volkl-revolt-95-skis.html
what do you guys feel about an armada are 86 ? do you think it is more all mountain or more specific to park skiing?
I find the 86 feels more like a dedicated park ski than an all-mountain ski. The 96 is a different story as that has more versatility and all-mountain capabilities. Hope that helps!
Hey guys, I am between the m-free99 vs black ops 98 and tied between which one I should get. I like to ski trees, groomed and powder mostly, just tied between which one would be best for all-around type of ski that just feels good under the foot
The M-Free is a better tree ski--I'll say that with quite a bit of certainty. I'd rather ski the Rossignol in almost every other situation, so I'd say it's a better all-rounder, but the tree and soft snow quickness of the M-Free is off the charts.
Where would you put the bindings on the Bent 90? Back, forth or factory mid?
I'm happy with mine on the factory line. Jeff goes forward about 4-6 cm
I have been skiing groomers all my life (I have SL skis). I am currently looking for a playful ski for piste and 2/3 park laps per day. My eyes are currently on the bent 100? Is this a good option and is there others good one?
It's awesome! Great flexibility for park and soft snow and still a decent ski on the trails. Not quite a slalom ski, but for its width and flex, it's pretty good! Black Crows Camox and K2 Poacher are also great options!
Hi guys, what ski would you recommend for a guy who goes to the park but also skies very fast and enjoys skiing in the forest and off trails.
Lots of good options! Rossi Black Ops 98 is a great one, as is the Nordica Unleashed 98. Both skis are very strong, but still capable in the park. A lot of other skis in this comparison would work too, but if you're looking for stability for really high speeds, it's tough to beat those two.
Currently I have all-mountain skis and can do decent 180's on ramps in the park and can go on box's. Wanting to start learning more freestyle/park tricks on both ramps and rails/box's.
The atomic bent 90's stand out to me, but worried that they won't be that good because they aren't symmetrical. Any recommendations for freestyle/park specific skis? Im 168cm or 5 foot 6 and i'm 64kg's. Thanks!
You can go totally symmetrical with something like the Volkl Revolt 90 or the Liberty Helix 88, and then you'll never have to worry that you don't have the best park ski out there. I'd look squarely at those two, and K2's Sight is pretty sweet too.
Do the reckoner 92s come with bindings already mounted?
Yes, at least we stock and sell them that way. It is possible to get them flat, but we don't currently have any flat Reckoner 92s in stock.
Was looking for some bdogs. How do u think they’re do on east coast ice skiing (pa). I ski about 70/30 (all mountain/park) but love to mess around with little side jumps butters etc. seems like reviews are good for an all mountain mess arounder? Thoughts?
They're fine. Not the best not the worst. Definitely have the park focus more than all-mountain, but still not bad. Very nimble and agile, while keeping good energy for grip and pop.
Hypothetically would a more "precise" stiffer comp park ski do better on firm snow carving? Seems counter intuitive to think that a more park focused comp ski would do better on piste carving but I guess it should if its less buttery and more precise right?
If it's too stiff it's hard to access the entirety of the sidecut, which at shorter lengths, can be on the short side. If it's too soft, then you'll simply push through the ski. Something like the Unleashed 98 blends the two pretty well.
Intermediate skier here, looking to test the park next year. Would the revolt 86’s fit me well? And what length would you recommend at 5’9? Thank you for the informative videos!
Yup! I'd look to the 172 for your stats and application.
What’s the best one if I’m never in the park but every where else really like on and off train and woods
I'd say either the Blackops 98 or the Unleashed 98. Both of these have amazing and awesome on and off trail capabilities.
I’ve skied mainly downhill my entire life in an area where I don’t have a need for skis built for powder. Before this season I made a commitment to start focusing on park skiing. I picked up the Oblivion 79s earlier this year and they’ve performed absolutely fantastically. They feel great when hitting boxes and rails, takeoffs feel explosive and landings feel softened, and when I take them out of the park they handle fantastically and carving feels natural, even though they’re built as park skis. I have them mounted slightly behind true center, and haven’t even felt the smallest bit of chatter when sending it downhill. Would recommend it to anyone who’s looking for a park focused ski that also can perform outside of the park. (Disclaimer I’ve never skied them in deep powder or backcountry, so I can’t speak to their performance in that area - but also they aren’t designed for that so it doesn’t matter too much)
I also had a chance to take a borrowed pair of oblivion 84s out for a day, they feel super solid all around. I’m assuming they would earn a solid review from me if I continued to spend time on them. Never gotten a chance to take the 94s out but I’m assuming they’d stand up as well. Head knocked it out of the park with the oblivion series
Great feedback, thanks for sharing!
When you say slightly behind true center are you talking about 1 inche or 2 inches ?
Asking because i am in the same situation as you, mainly ski downhill (no pow no backcountry) and wanted to start park but still enjoy the slopes the 79 seems ideal
Was wondering where to fix the bindings to enjoy downhill without affecting park as much
@@ahmedammar5980my 79s are mounted 1 inch behind true center
Hi guys. Which one would you recommend for an expert very aggressive skier that likes to go as fast as he can, carve as much as he can, but is very playfull on the slopes (like doing some ollies, jumping a little and doing occasional switch riding)?
Poacher checks a lot of those boxes--it's sturdy and strong with a lot of confidence. I'd also put the Armada ARV 96 right there with it.
hi guys! any thoughts about the Elan Prodigy? There's not much information/reviews about it anywhere.. any experience with it?
Not a whole lot of experience on the Prodigy, but for next year, we're seeing a few new twin tips coming from Elan that I'm sure we'll give a sharp focus on.
God I love the Mirus Cor....Wish they were a bit cheaper tho XD
And they are never avaliable in the "off season sales"...
It's a hot commodity for sure. Good luck!
How deep powder do the Armada ARV 96 handle? Can you go into shoe or even knee deep powder with them? Thinking if I need the ARV 96 or 106 for Austrian shoe maybe even knee deep pow
If you have a narrower ski as a complement, I'd go with the 106. If this is to be your only ski, then the 96 makes more sense.
Mirus Cor=bad snow fun ski!!
Demo’ed a pair last year on a week that had no Snow. Most fun I’ve had on bad snow in years!! Only ski close to bad snow fun is the 2018 Salomon x-drive 8.8.
It's always great when a ski can make those bad snow days better!
Which one would be best for carving groomers (sometimes sheet ice😅)?
I'd put in a big vote for the Unleashed 98 due to the metal laminate and long camber profile. The ARV 96 is also a pretty sharp ski, but likely the Nordica is the best carver.
Hey guys Iam a 60% park 40% all mountain skier and I’m thinking about the line chronics, bent 90’s, revolt 104 which ones do you recommend
I'd put in a good vote for the Chronic given your application. At 95 mm underfoot, it's got a good blend of width, flex, and park prowess to get you what you want out of a ski. Have fun!
SE
Hi guys, I have a pair of line TWP’s, I’m considering the black crows captis or camox, I don’t go to the park as much anymore but I like the playfulness of the TWP, I’d appreciate your opinions
The Captis is more similar while the Camox is more different. You're getting more width, taper, and flotation out of the Camox while the Captis is quicker and more park-like. For more similarities in terms of shape, but with a snappier overall flex, I'd go Captis, but for more soft snow performance, Camox is a better choice.
What are the best very soft and playful park skis for a reasonable budget?
We're pretty big fans of the Volkl Revolt 86 or 95 for those criteria. Nice and easy flex and they don't break the bank.
I love skiing trees and want a good pop in my ski. Realistically i mostly ski groomers and park with some ice in their (midwest skier).
Was looking at these skis
-black crow camox
-black crow captis
-mirus cors
- Armada ARV 96
-line tom wallish
- revolt 90
what do you think would be best for me?
Sounds like Mirus Cor skier to me! They have a very unique blend of pop, woods, park, and groomers, and are surprisingly good on ice. I'd take a square look at those skis for your application!
Hey guys, (5'9, 210lbs) West coast beginner-intermediate skier here riding on piste (mostly groomers) looking to get into freestyling. What would your top 3 recommendations be? Love all the videos as well!
I'd stick to the mid to upper 80's in terms of width, so the Volkl Revolt 86, Head Oblivion 84, and K2 Sight. Have fun!
Dear Jeff and Bob! You haven`t put on a wall Salomon Spark. They`re my dream ski to buy. Are they not as good as others in the video? Thanks!
Great ski! Affordable and fun performance. I believe we didn't have them in stock when we made this video, otherwise we would've included them most likely. We'll try to work it in sometime down the road.
Looking for an intermediate to advance ski
30% park 30% groom 40% freeride
Hesitating between Volk 95 / Reckoned 92 / Line Honey Badger ? What would I recommend
Thanks a lot guys
I think the Revolt 95 has a whole lot to offer a skier like yourself. The other two skis are perhaps a level down from the Revolt in terms of quality and performance. Great skis to progress upon for sure!
SE
Oh boy is this great !❄️⛷
I ski a little bit of everything just looking for something that will do everything decently. Any recommendations?
On the narrower side, I'd say the Captis at 90 mm underfoot is a great option. Slightly wider, ARV 96 and Poacher will get you what you need.
Hello, on your website it says the Line Tom Wallisch Pro is 1800 grams, but in the video you say the 171 cm is 1670 grams... which one is right?
The 171 was 1670 g on the scale, perhaps Line is using the 178 as it's reference ski on the site?
How bad do the bent 90s fall behind the black ops on control at higher speeds and lack of metal on the bents? 90 percent carving groomers and 10 percent intermediate park. Or any other advice you guys have would help. Awesome job guys!
I'd say the Bent 90 is about 20% worse controlling higher speeds than the Blackops. The Rossignol is a pretty stable and sturdy ski. If you're on groomers 90%, I'd lean that route for sure. Have fun!
SE
@@SkiEssentials thank you!
I'm an intermediate/advanced skier that can ride any slope and enjoys some off tracks but I really want to start my park journey but I still want something that can get me anywhere in the mountain. Would you go for the bent 90 or volkl Revolt 86? Also, is there any difference between Revolt 86 picture or Revolt 86 temple?
def bent 90
@@user-nd6kj8yp8u Can't find them anywhere for my size, 157, if you know any good websites/shops let me know
The Bent 90 will give you more all-mountain performance while the Revolt is a better park option. I'd lean to the Bent as you're just starting out. And yes, the Picture and Temple are the same ski, just different graphic.
Which of these would you recommend to a more traditionall directional skier that doesn't really like twin tips, but kind of wants twin tips... If that makes any sense😅🤣🤣 East Coast, little bit of park, mostly tree skiing. This would be my 5th pair of skis. So it's definitely a specialty ski... Don't need to worry too much about versatility..
Bent 90 is an excellent choice. Bob's a good example of why. Little park, mostly trees and bumps, and he loves that ski. Captis would be a great choice too. Some of the wider skis would be worth considering too, notably the Unleashed 98 or Black Ops 98. Hope that helps!
@@SkiEssentials Definitely helped. bent 90 was exactly what I was thinking. And the black Ops has definitely on my radar for a demo day.
Ski essential's videos have taught me well! You've confirmed my thoughts...s❄️🌨🏔
Do you have any recommendations for twin tip junior skis? 130-140cm range.
I like the ones that are junior versions of the adult line like these:
www.skiessentials.com/2023-line-wallisch-shorty-junior-skis-w-marker-fdt-bindings.html
Pretty basic, but comes with a system binding and is a totally serviceable ski.
This: www.skiessentials.com/2023-faction-prodigy-0x-junior-skis.html
Is more like the adult version--better build, more stout, and stronger for pretty aggressive park skiing.
Would you be able to talk a little bit more about the differences between the Unleashed vs. Black Ops, specifically in regard to the charging ability & speed limit?
I'm looking to replace my Candide 2.0, which I bought for their playfulness, but didn't release just how low their speed limit. I was thinking of getting the Unleashed 98, but I'm now very wary about buying a ski that I wouldn't feel confident with at very high speeds.
Unleashed is a different animal for sure--lots of stability there. Pretty good with Blackops, but not quite the same damping due to less metal. But, for a ski without metal, the Blackops is quite sturdy and strong--just not the same energy or grip as the Unleashed, which is really a twin-tipped Santa Ana, so a very high-performance ski.
How would you mount the Unleashed98 for a Park-AllMountain hybrid?
3cm behind center
I like to stand on the ski with my boot on and see what looks good. Maybe +2 from the line?
Hey guys, I would like to get into freestyling but still be able to ski the piste and a little on the side. What are your top 3 recommendations? Love these videos btw!
I ride the 23 dollos and I absolutely love them off and on piste. They are light enough to play in the park and they are thick enough to float in fresh pow. As far as edges go, they can carve like nobodies business. Downfall is they are sold out lol. I would look into the ARV series, they aren't exactly true twin, so their rocker on the tail isn't as playful, but still an amazing ski. Ive ridden both. other than that, the line TW are amazing and super playful, but they chatter pretty good when off piste. So my third recommendation would be the head oblivions. the 84s are better if your focus is more park heavy, but if you want an all mountain ski, go with the 94. hope this helps!
I'd stick to the low to mid-90's for your application, so the Bent, Oblivion, and Revolt make a lot of sense to me. I'd start there!
Hey, I am an expert skier and am just getting into park/ tricks; So what you reccomend for a light freestyle/ all mountain that might be good for me. I am 5'6 and 115lb and love to run moguls and trees.
Atomic Bent 90 and Black Crows Captis stand out to me for your application. With the Captis, it only goes down to a 172, but you could get the Birdie version (same build) in a 166 or 160. Bent 90 in a 157 or 166.
I got a chance to demo the k2 reckoner 102 in a 163 January 4th at Mary Jane during the big snow dump and like how they felt edge to edge and just floated. I am going to demo the Bent 90 next week hopefully, but do you think the k2 reckoner 102 is a good fit for my style or would you still push the bend 90s?
Honey badger vs Bent 90? 60% spin&jump, 30% mogul, 10% box/rail. Advanced skier looking for a first pair of forgiving park skis to learn freestyle. 5’10 165lb. Which one and what size to get? 175 or 166? My all mtn ski is 180 and carving ski is 170. Any other choice I should consider?
I'd probably go Bent 90 if I were you. I just think it's a little better in bumps, and even though that only 30% of your application, it's still something to consider. 175 would be a great length for you. Honey Badger would be just fine too if you decide to go that route. Your mention of bumps just has me thinking Bent might be a bit better for you. Regardless, you'll have a blast on either!
Hello, I have a 14 yr old who has really been into the park scene the last few seasons. We decided at the beginning of last season to purchase a full set since he's into it and has really improved. We purchased the Line TW's (Purple Ones in VIdeo). I don't speak the lingo so only went off of what was recommended by sale dude. These skis lasted exactly 1 month before De-laminating at tips. Return became a whole other issue. No doubt his learning and pushing for bigger skills led to these skis getting absolutely shreaded, but damn, 1 month is tough to swallow...Point of my rambling is, which skis can handle the abuse or should I expect to spend a small fortune every winter buying new skis? Thanks for any feedback..
Well aside from the obvious that park skis take a lot more abuse than normal skiing and are then more prone to failure. If hes doing rails and stuff he will definitely have to look after the edges of his skis since they will take abuse. I think generally the idea for park skiing is that people tend to replace them. When Line sends TWpro's to their pro skiers they give them 4-5 pairs for the season. Delaming at the tips implies that he probably slaps the tips a lot and puts the abuse there. Some people can make skis last though, generally its the skier and not the ski. If he is destroying skis, might just have to look around for deals on cheaper skis though I do know the Line's durability can be questionable on some skis. (I ride lines daily but each model is different) I know people who rode Line Chronics for over 100 days before they died.
I think generally a good park ski should last you at least 50 days, one month (probably not skiing every day) is definitely a short time for delam, though maybe he just went too hard above his level and is taking risks so theyll take more abuse.
ON3P has been well regarded for their durability though their skis are on the pricier side, and I remember hearing good things about the durability of the K2 poacher if you want to try a burlier ski. J skis
A lot of this ^^ is true, mostly that the park is hard on skis. Also Poacher and other K2 skis (Sight, Midnight) have burlier-than-average builds that use a lot of fiberglass. This makes them a bit heavier, but also more durable. If you move into the ~88 range of twin tips rather than the ~95, you'll also find some more park-specific builds rather than a pro model like the TW. Head Oblivion 84, Armada ARV 88, and Atomic Bent 85 all qualify for this realm, along with the K2's.
Surprised to learn that Bob hits switch double cork 1620's! I would have figured him for more of a 1800 guy.
I like to make sure my style is in the forefront, rather than just massive rotations.
Which one of these skis would u recommend. im look for light playful and durable skis. which one would u recommend
I'd say those criteria point you to the Head Oblivion. You can go 79, 84, or 94 depending on how wide you want the ski. The 94 is the most well-rounded while the 84 is the most park/competition oriented.
@@SkiEssentials compared to the tw pro how much heavier are the 84 then the tw
How are the honey badgers for stuff besides the park. Also, how are they for carving?
Not great, not awful. The carving is dependent on the sharpness of the edges and the skill of the skier more than anything else. Great in the bumps and trees, but not the best on firm snow in a carved turn.
On them now: kind of "meh" compared to the others here but you cant beat the end of season sale on this model for something you will trash on rails. Very lightweight but was expecting a little more pop. Edge hold diminishes at higher speeds. I use these in PA and have a good time at the small resorts.
@@tylerboyer9523 ok thanks
Anyone know if you can take those Tom w all mountain I want those skis for the park but I also like going all mountain with my friends
While a bit more low profile, the Bent 90 is certainly a twin tip in the freestyle realm. This makes it a deadly blend of park and all-mountain.
bob said the m Free skiis short , so that the 185 is to short for him, Jeff do you feel the same way about the 185 that you were showing?
Since it skis short, Jeff would take that 185 over the 179 for sure.
Has the production of the ARV 96 stopped? Because i can't find it anywhere. There is only ARV 84-88-94-100-106-116. So is the 96 a typo?
Correct. 2023 was the last year of the ARV 96. You have the correct current widths of the ARV/ARW series since it's now the 2024 ski season.
What size is the Head Oblivion 94 shown?
Looks like the 177 to me.
What twin tips would you guys for someone who is less park more all mountain intermediate skier but still wants twins to have fun on ??
I think the ~90 width makes sense, and in that range, the Black Crows Captis is a fantastic ski for fun all-mountain twins. Dynastar's M-Free 90 is also pretty sweet. Have fun!
SE
Are chronics a good upgrade from honeybadgers?
That's definitely the natural progression that Line would like you to take!
How does the QST 92 compare to the Oblivion 94?
Oblivion is considerably more flexible due to the park-style nature. The QST has more pop and grip as well as being a better floater due to the taper and rocker. If you're in the park a lot but still want all-mountain performance, the Oblivion is fantastic, but if you don't really venture into the freestyle realm, the QST is likely a better match for your application.
Hey guys, thanks for your work🙏
Re-watching this again as I have an opportunity to buy some leftovers from last year for the good price.
Can you please advise on the right choice among available ones?
Looking at:
1. Oblivion 79, 172cm
2. Oblivion 84, 171cm
3. 79s are also available in 163cm
I’m 175cm/65kg, advanced at on-piste carving on tiny racers (less then 70cm under the foot), but never skied anything 80+ wide.
I want to start learning some basic freestyle things and also have more “all around” ski that I can take into some light off-piste adventures.
What would be the right one for it? From your comments (and in separate review of Oblivion 84) I’m worried that 84 might be too heavy / too much “for the PROs and Big Jumps”. But then you also mention that 79s are almost “park only”.
And length of almost my size, is it ok? Or should I go for 163cm instead? (again, used to smaller nimbler carvers, don’t mind trying something else, just not sure what’s the “right” choice).
Thanks for your reviews once more and hope to hear back 😊
The 84 is such a surprising ski, it's tough to go wrong, and the 79 is actually pretty heavy and stiff for its width. I'd lean to the 84. It won't feel too wide, and it's really only 5 mm wider than the 79 and a much better build.
@@SkiEssentials thanks 🙏
And what about length? 172cm ski for 175cm/65kg skier wouldn’t be too long?
What would be your top 3 picks if you had to use your park/all mountain ski for tour also? :)
Atomic Bent 100
Using the Reckoner 102 for that currently, gets the job done :) Just depends on what kind of flex u want.
I had a friend recommend the Bent 100 as well so thats good feedback thanks! Im in Maine so plenty of ice and trees. I dont go hard in the park, small jumps, skiing switch, 180s and some small 3's. Not really interested in falling of rails anymore LOL
Great thread!
I'll say Bent 100 is right up there. Will throw in a Volkl Revolt 104 and a Line Blade Optic 96 for good measure.
Can you tell me thoughts on 144 honey bee line?????
It's a fantastic entry-level twin tip ski that punches above its weight. Great for tweener skiers and those beginning their park career, Line makes an awesome ski that's durable and easy to use.
great video but whats up woth the quality?
Should be able to get 1080x60 like most of our videos. Let us know if you're still having issues!
yeah now it’s gone. probably it was on my end
@@mikarolshoven RUclips continues to process the video after it’s been uploaded. Usually only low quality is available initially.
Bro i love you
Youre helping sm
Can i ask wha skis should i get,
I wanted to get on3ps but i am 15 yo and 170 cm and i am still growing and on3p are expensive as hell
So i was thinking about
Volkl revolt 96 2023/4
Revolts 95
K2 poachers
Arv 96
Arv 106
Chronics
And when i grow up ill get maybe something better
I want something i can do some tricks in high speed not to much rails
Just something that is stable in high speed but not heavy yk
Can i ask which one would be best or any other that would suit me better
I am like 50-60 killos and i ride either alps or some shitty hills in czechia and i thing i am pretty aggresive skiers
I really like the blend of performance and value for the new Revolt 96. Nice and sturdy for stability and great for tricks.
@@SkiEssentials thank you sm :D
Revolt or bdog for first park ski?
I would go Revolt. BDog is better for someone with some existing park experience who wants to take their skiing in a specific direction. Revolt is more well-rounded and it great for getting started.
do you guys have the 2nd best job in the ski world? get to ski every ski in the shop, ski every day?, and do it every year!
It often feels like it! Half the year is very busy office work, but the other half definitely includes a lot of skiing!
love ur videos!! can review the faction prodigy 2.0 23 please.
www.skiessentials.com/2023-ski-test/skis/2023-faction-prodigy-2/
We should have a ski test video up for this year's model when we've published the 24 ski test.
Bought the new ARV 96 as my first pair of skis, they are definitely a ‘have fun’ ski
Yup! There's a lot to like about those skis!
Have you tried butters? Are they flexible enough?
@@fxnisy7273 cuh that’s his first pair of skis 😭
@@fxnisy7273 they are pretty stiff, but someone who is nasty probably can do it better than me
@@nico63323 I had some faith in him 😂
I would love to own a Mirus Cor
Do it!
www.skiessentials.com/2023-black-crows-mirus-cor-skis-w-marker-griffon-13-id-bindings.html
How is the k2 reckoner at fast speed since the ski is so soft??
it's not awesome. It likes to be used at higher edge angles at speed rather than run flat and straight.
Hey guys, i‘m looking for a new pair of twin tip all mountain skis. 70% off piste and 30% park for learnng basic tricks and wanna really improve my skills and nailing them later off piste.
What would you guys reccomand?
I‘ve got my eyes on the Arv 96, atomic bc 100 or a faction ct 2 or 3 maybe?
Keep up the great work guys, thumbs up👍🏼
Bent 100 fs
Got the bent 100 and the 2022 ct 2s, gotta say I really like the factions
I just had the same thought: why doesn’t Nordica make a Nordica Unleashed 90 with metal in size 180/186 🤦🏻♂️. I think I will go with the 98 and 180cm (188cm and fluctuating around 86kgs) for skiing in Europe (Andorra) and a bit of park.
I think the "tweener" demographic is larger than the rare instances of skiers like us looking for a 186 cm, 90 mm underfoot twin tip with metal. Sad, but such is life.
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Hi guys. Hope you’re doing good. I’m a big snowpark fan and passes a lot of time in them. If you would’ve a top 3 for me, what would it be? Thank you
For competitive park skiing, the Revolt 90, Oblivion 84, and Line TW Pro are your best bets.
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hey i just came across this video, I currently have the atomic 88 TI's and have grown very comfortable riding all mountain etc. I've always been scared of the park but I now want to try it out and I was interested in getting a more park oriented ski, would you have any suggestions? Thanks for the informative video!
If you keep the width pretty similar, I'd check out the Black Crows Captis at 90 mm. This ski feels like a real ski so will be great at all-mountain but also has a twin tip for more creative skiing.
Will you do a women’s version of this?
Likely not, although many of these models have direct women's counterparts and are essentially unisex skis.
would the helix 98 be light and playful and durable
It's nice and smooth with a longer radius. It weighs just under 2000 grams so while it's not "light," it's about average for this category. The twin tipped shape makes it super playful and a lot of fun while still having good pop from the camber. With a nice even flex and poured sidewalls, it should stand up to some serious use.
@@SkiEssentials ok thanks so much. is the 88 lighter?
@@bossskis Yes, but only insofar as there's less mass overall due to the narrower footprint. They have the same construction, although the 88 is more symmetrical.
Can you give recommedatios for skis 95% park and 5% all mountain. For the park 80% jibs/rails and 20% jumps. I want to have a buttery and light ski, which is swervy and smeary and playfull but still fairly light. I need a durable ski for rail hits but light and playful and a rockered shape. Give me some recommedations
I think you should take a square look at the new Volkl Revolt 90
was gonna get the TW pros but got the poachers instead
Great durability and stability in the Poacher--nothing wrong with TW, but it's a different flex and feel.
No faction Prodigy?
Unfortunately our Faction shipment was a bit delayed and we were super bummed to not have them in time to film this. We have, thankfully, received most of our order since then, so at least we have them!
@@SkiEssentials I would love a faction prodigy 2.0 review. Your reviews are the best on the internet! Am debating on poachers, bent 90 and prodigy 2.0. All three seem like great choices, but when I watched the curated prodigy 2.0 review it was lacking information to make an informed choice.
Can anyone compare the experience of the revolt 95 to the arv 96?
The ARV 96 is a stiffer and more responsive ski while the Revolt has more flex to it that allows for more creative ground work, easier butters and presses, and slightly better off-trail capabilities. The ARV 96 has more density to it, and more taper, so it's a smoother performer in more/different applications.
@@SkiEssentials it is so cool that you guys respond. Thank you so much!
Where is Faction???
not twin tip but great skis
We ran out. Would have loved to put Prodigy 1 or 2 up there for sure. Great twins.
Wheres faction
Our Faction order was late arriving to our warehouse. Kind of a bummer as we weren't able to include the brand in as many comparisons as we wanted to. Thankfully, they've almost all shown up at this point.