Check out the video with Roman where he rants about thermal conductivity (that's the topic we transitioned to at the hard cut at the end of this one): ruclips.net/video/_kzGTOyCYrY/видео.html Check out our previous video with Der8auer speaking on thermal paste and liquid metals here: ruclips.net/video/CCqxE-5Ct3w/видео.html And check out Der8auer on RUclips (auf Deutsch): ruclips.net/user/der8auer Und auf Englisch: www.youtube.com/@der8auer-en
A meet and greet in Germany would be so cool. There is a big enthusiast community in Germany with many people with a scientific or technical background. I'm sure there would be a lot of interesting conversation. I myself started building PC's with your videos and went on from there.
I love that Roman said “AIOs were a big problem” around 2:20 and didn’t use corporate speak and say “designing for AIO proved to be quite challenging”. No need for corporate speak in the enthusiast market.
For the Stargate nerds out there the address on Roman's arm is planet PB5-926. This is the world that Apophis crashed on to in the 17th episode of season 2.
Huh, quite specific actually. I couldn't quite make out what address that was but there's no way I would've guessed that one. Curious to know why that one, guess I better go find if he ever answered that.
@@AlleonoriCat There are resources online with lists of all known addresses. I just scanned through it and found the address on the list then looked up the planet number. On the Stargate WIKI all the planets listed mention what episodes they appear in. PB5-926 only appeared in the one episode.
I've noticed Der8auer mentions before and seen the odd couple vids, but this made a 100x increase in my general impression. It's just nice to see someone who cares about their products and customer, instead of corporate shills who only want extort bucks with overmarketed subpar products. Feels like a really great boss too
I don't know what I'm gonna do when y'all slow down content soon 😭. I've become too accustomed to so much high quality work. I hope y'all enjoy a bit of a lighter workload!
Always nice to see some engineering talk with Roman and you. Also always good to see I'm not the only German just in the middle of talking English almost starting a sentence with "genau".
Can we please have a thermal pad and phase-change material round up video? Carbonaut, Kryosheet, PTM7950, Cooler Master's Thermal Pad and their "Pad Pro," etc. There's so many options out there now, and all the products seem so similar, but are apparently specialized in different ways. Would be awesome to see how they perform, even if it doesn't show an extended duration test immediately.
I'm more interested in knowing if it's "True" Graphene. Not a product that's got a ton of defects on the hexagonal layout and considered Graphene. If it's vertical, are the orbitals positioned accordingly???
I'm using Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut for years (since the release of the Ryzen 3000 series) on several machines and I can confirm that those pads perform very well. about 1.5°C hotter than good (thermal grizzly) paste on average, but they perform the same today as they performed on day 1. Absolutely happy with the product, looking forward to using Kryosheet in my Ryzen 7000 build in a few weeks.
Der8auer will be one of the first sources I look to for CPU cooling, one reason being the wealth of information this guy has each time he has a new product and the amount of effort it took to get to that point. I'm not even sure if I'll watercool my future PC build at this point, but it'll be a good bet. Good informative video, I'll take a Steve-Roman hangout vid anytime I can get it.
The foreshadowing of the thermal grizzly tour sounds really great :D In that case a small/big viewer gathering in Berlin would be a really nice thing :)
I'm using the graphene pad in a build for the kid. He's old enough he lives on his own. This "set and forget" mentality is perfect considering his rig won't be serviced in at least a year. Using the wraith stealth cooler. I know it's not the best use case scenario, but it's only a 3600 so thermals probably will never affect the CPU.
As someone who specializes in making graphene and implementing applications for it, once you layer it in any direction, it's no longer acting as pure graphene and instead becomes nanoplatelet layers. It's still a bump up over traditional graphite but loses a lot of the magic of pristine single layer. Pure/pristine single layer is best used as an additive or topical layer for something else, otherwise you just have very thinly sectioned graphite again.
@riphunter5100 the difference is that thermal grizzly is actually worth the money, and even for nvidia they get away with overpricing their cards because to many people they're still worth that money
The most enjoyable thing about you two talking is that you totally speak the same language and are trying convey to your topic details in a manner than the general public will understand. Well done. (your eyes show how much you love to discuss your favorite topics) 😁
I didn't know I need this interview. The content on this channel has been extremely high quality lately. Made me appreciate Steve and the team at GN more then I already do.
So fun fact, those graphite sheets are so good in XY direction heat transfer you can stack a bunch of them and use it to create a thermal strap. It's used often in aerospace applications. Look up Boyd thermal straps for example.
Roman is the managing director of the TG so yes is a German company and the fact that many tech reviewers are friends of Roman is very concerning as this can lead to a conflict of interest and biased reviews which is very bad for consumers.This kind of relationships between the management of tech corps and reviewers is a very dangerous slippery slope and all the secrecy about comparing Coductonaut with Gallinstan liquid metal and all the BS thermal conductivity marketing just shows that.
@@riphunter5100 What slippery slope? Steve tested thermalright contact frame and it performed as good as TG frame at ¼ the price, so he straight up recommended it over TG
I would listen to you two discuss anything, even the best trash cans for the office! Your passion with talking about all aspects of your business is a pleasure to see.
I don't know if you have discussed it yet or not, but there is an equation from Thermodynamics than can help you understand heat transfer in liquid cooled systems: Q-dot = m-dot*c*delta-t Where Q-dot is the specific heat transferred, m-dot is the MASS flow rate of the coolant, either in lb-m per hour or kg per second c is the specific heat capacity of the coolant, either in BTU per lb-m * deg F or kJ per kg * deg K delta-t is the difference in temperature between the incoming (cold?) coolant and the outgoing (hot) coolant. and the * is used to signify multiplication operations. When I had to use this formula I was still trained in EES (English Engineering System) units, so c assumed units of BTU/lb-m * deg F, which, for water is about 1 BTU per lb-m *deg F. Since most temperature measurement in the US is still done in deg. F, this might be convenient. There's a page at The Engineer's Toolbox: www.engineeringtoolbox.com/water-thermal-properties-d_162.html which covers the thermal and other physical properties of water. If you prefer your measurements in MKS (SI) units, this page can easily help convert from one to the other. Deriving mass flow rate of water in a system depends strongly on temperature and pressure, as these affect water's density, and all bets are off if the water is at or above saturation temperatures at the specific pressure being used. How you measure mass flow rate depends on how much you want to spend. Usually devices such as rotameters (which are available relatively cheaply) are adequate for all testing/comparison purposes if correctly installed and calibrated. The upshot of all this is: The greater the delta-t, the more work is being done at a given mass flow rate. Y'all forgive me if my recollection of things is a bit fuzzy - I haven't actually had to use any of this since I left the Navy (over forty years ago). Anybody who wants to chime in with a correction is welcome to. Heck, I might learn something that way.
I think AMD made a mistake trying to keep AM4 mounting compatible with AM5. IMO they should have just made a better IHS and let the cooler manufacturers adjust and make new mounts.
@@riphunter5100 I don't think that's the reason since half their CPUs (including their most sold ones, X3D chips) don't reach above 80C since they have a much lower TDP. If all their products were capped to 95C (or at least the majority in terms of sales) then yes, I would believe it's for planned obsolescence
God damn it Steve (and crew), Killed me with those conversions. Thank you for helping me understand how much ACTUAL area that is, as a 'Murian gobbless
13:30 in my experience after forming alloy layer, LM will stop(slowdown) "drying". So just making pre-treatment cupper by LM + second application of LM later works quite well if you don't have access to nickel plated spreader.
Graphene is one of the most electrically conductive materials so be careful with direct die applications because if that sheet touches any of the SMDs is going short circuit them harder than liquid metal.
I really like the level of research and expertise he goes into, I'm convinced, going with one of his products for my next thermal interface replacement.
5:30 it makes sense if you want to capture more profit, the raw material is only the first step of the profit ladder, also keeps some process/jobs inland so export cannot completely dry out the industry.
Two intelligent people with deep interest in the discussing topic cant have a boring topic. I did not sub to you and roman to get makeup tips, i did it to get anything remotely related to PC hardware and liquid cooling ;) Production of said cooling is very interesting for you, and so it is for me!
Man I can watch you have long form conversations with other tech RUclipsrs all day. But Roman in particular is super interesting when you are chatting.
This is a great antidote to my seeing and thinking of Americans and Germans as sterotypes; nevermind the tech and the bromance, righting my prejudices is probably the best thing these video collabs do. 👍👍👍
Roman, can't wait for that AM5 direct die frame to be made available! I have all the rest of my new custom loop components ready to go, just waiting on the final piece!
I purchased an antec kuhler mount waaay back in the day from Der8auer's webpage back before he sold the design to the big AIO corps, it was a good ole THE GREEN Mod project on my gtx 670, and then i moved it to my 970 later, when they made the 970 with the same board layout
We need an hour long uncensored round table discussion with Steve, Roman, Wendell and Gordon! OMG that would be epic. Maybe put the bleeped version on youtube and the uncensored version someplace else. 💯💯💯
Thank you for breaking down the weird measurements discussed into useable metrics like number of whales, and garbage trucks. Can’t understand what anyone would use any other system, it’s so arbitrary!
Roman: Don't use paste on any direct die application The 1990s: Socket 370, 462, Slot I, A The 2000s: Laptops, chipsets, Northbridges, Southbridges In all seriousness though, modern components overpower it, i Use IC diamond Graphite pads on direct die components like GPUs and more commonly Xbox 360s where the consistency and longevity is the focus but i probably will buy some TG pads and compare the thermal difference and potentially move over, at least for my personal hardware, and Socket 462 as with a cheap pad it kicks a thermal shutdown procedure before it could even post, so temperatures would be interesting to monitor as that platform has such quick thermal runaway since the paste is instantly pushed out even with thick pastes because of the strong tension and mounting procedure, the effort Roman puts into this is mindblowing, my next upgrade will 100% be supporting his products in my next computer, to get into exotic cooling solutions has been made easier by him vs the 2000s, delidding a Windsor Athlon 64 X2 and trying to do direct die was very difficult, companies have followed suit, he is a magical market shifting genius and to get products like this mainstream finally brings back fun into the PC hardware space and he helps us get that perfomance we actually paid for :)
a few years ago we had to connect a machine that produces connectors for the automotive industry. we were told that this machine must produce a million plugs, all of which must be inspected and approved before the customer buys a single plug.
Steve Burke, I love what you're doing. I'm so so extremely sorry for everything I've done. You too, der8auer. If it wasn't for me, this mess wouldn't happen. Please, help me repair it!
Can we get a carbonaut vs kryosheet comparison? I have the carbonaut and I'm wondering if it's worth an upgrade. I don't really have temperature issues currently but if I upgrade my cpu again I will need a new pad anyway.
Dammit Roman, sell us the 100% pump speed ones! It doesn't matter how it performs at 25% pump speed because the pump speed curve will just compensate, and anyone who doesn't use a DDC or D5 pump is doing watercooling wrong.
this is one of those videos where i actually learnt important stuff and i'll keep it in mind forever tbh, especially the graphene/graphite difference. So kinda rant no one will read but I'll go ahead, i had a thermal pad years ago, i think it must have been graphite, it had terrible thermal conductivity bc i was using it on a high end ryzen cpu with its IHS and such, i was able to reuse it tho but i kinda gave up on that idea bc TERRIBLE performance, but graphene sounds very useful so i may give it a try someday. Also linking this to the digital singages thermal solutions (it's one of my interests), i have a little signage pc i bought for 15€ years ago, it's very low end and ewasty but i use it for torrents and such (im literally the only seeder on a lot of torrents from shows and movies that are on the brink of becoming lost media), the special thing is that its passively cooled and can cool a 35W load fairly ok (except in summer tbh), it uses a weird laptop/desktop cpu from intel, apparently this era (2010-2014ish) intel was making a socket (G2) and cpus intended for both laptop and these singage pcs, some of them are only for singages and others are for laptops and singage, the difernce? they can use desktop ram and laptop ram lol. This one uses a celeron b810 (it SUCKS and ive been meaning to upgrade just so it doesnt overheat), aliexpress has some quad core cpus for this socket at like 6€ atm, they used to be 20 but no one was buying them so im thinking of getting one. Anyway, thing is graphene maybe works great in here I'm thinking, it's direct die bc laptop-ish cpu but the heatsink is aluminum so i cant do liquid metal, also since it's pasibly cooled i dont really open it up often. Also fun fact: The heatsink is a *SOLID BLOCK* of aluminum and then a thermal pad on the top that contacts the metal case (basically you put the top of the case back when assembling and screw it from the back and it gets sandwiched, to get an idea the form factor is like a wi-fi router), been thinking of getting a thermal pad replacement for it too, i checked the minus pad extreme but it seems that not only the pad is extreme but the price too so can't really do that forthis like it'd make no sense whatsoever, but i need a 2 or 3mm thick thermal pad for this so idk, i'll keep searching but if anyone knows of a cheap but decent solution lemme know. TL;DR, graphene is cool, i love the world of singage pc's thermal solutions and i have too much free time
When I watched the Computex keynote, all I could think about was how your editors were going to abuse the goldmine Jensen gave you! I look forward to seeing more of these memes... "Too Much!!!"
@@benjaminsmekens2344 He REALLY SHOULD MENTION THAT but this video is pure advertising to me and of course nobody says anything bad about their product when advertising it because F*** consumers.
Roman showed that CPU block from a vietnamese modder that used the cooler mounting holes as the water inlet/outlet for a completely clean look. I think his own block could be made to do this with a differently designed acrylic part and custom backplate.
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Check out the video with Roman where he rants about thermal conductivity (that's the topic we transitioned to at the hard cut at the end of this one): ruclips.net/video/_kzGTOyCYrY/видео.html
Check out our previous video with Der8auer speaking on thermal paste and liquid metals here: ruclips.net/video/CCqxE-5Ct3w/видео.html
And check out Der8auer on RUclips (auf Deutsch): ruclips.net/user/der8auer
Und auf Englisch: www.youtube.com/@der8auer-en
hello steve
Guys trying to make talking about CPU Thermals Sexy with that thumbnail!!
Pin a link to his new thermal pad please
Bitte einfach weiter kaffekränzchen, sehr unterhaltsam,schau ich mir später an.D4 et al
Making a Derbauer interview sponsored by DeepCool is like making a NASA video sponsored by a 4H rocketry club.
a random "Roman & Steve talk about things for an unspecified period of time" video is always welcomed :)
agreed.
I want this to be it's own channel with regular videos. How many mod mats do I have to buy for this to happen?
Like a podcast?
@@marcelmatheswe need it
"That was a risky move, I'm glad it paid off"
"Yeah, me too"
😂😂 I could watch these two for hours.
Super stoked to see a GN video going through the factory in Germany!
A meet and greet in Germany would be so cool. There is a big enthusiast community in Germany with many people with a scientific or technical background. I'm sure there would be a lot of interesting conversation. I myself started building PC's with your videos and went on from there.
Always glad to see more Steve and Roman.
I love that Roman said “AIOs were a big problem” around 2:20 and didn’t use corporate speak and say “designing for AIO proved to be quite challenging”. No need for corporate speak in the enthusiast market.
nad he talks in milimeters instead of 15 thousandth of an inch....
The best crossover series on RUclips.
Like seriously, it's always cool to see tech tubers meeting and Steve knows quite a few.
Grüße aus Deutschland!
For the Stargate nerds out there the address on Roman's arm is planet PB5-926. This is the world that Apophis crashed on to in the 17th episode of season 2.
Oh, cool! I'll have to ask him about it. I loved SG-1.
Huh, quite specific actually. I couldn't quite make out what address that was but there's no way I would've guessed that one. Curious to know why that one, guess I better go find if he ever answered that.
@@AlleonoriCat There are resources online with lists of all known addresses. I just scanned through it and found the address on the list then looked up the planet number. On the Stargate WIKI all the planets listed mention what episodes they appear in. PB5-926 only appeared in the one episode.
Roman is a huge Stargate fan. He has a video about buying a helmet prop because he’s such a fanboi
You take the Nerd Victory today sir! :)
I've noticed Der8auer mentions before and seen the odd couple vids, but this made a 100x increase in my general impression. It's just nice to see someone who cares about their products and customer, instead of corporate shills who only want extort bucks with overmarketed subpar products. Feels like a really great boss too
Derbeaur "meter = proper unit"
Favorite part of the video
I don't know what I'm gonna do when y'all slow down content soon 😭. I've become too accustomed to so much high quality work. I hope y'all enjoy a bit of a lighter workload!
Thank you! We'll be back pretty strong once we can reset the cool down timer, haha
Read a book.
@@RUclipsStoleMyNick There are much better things to do in life.
@@SierraAAM Especially if you can't read or have no idea what books are for.
@@GamersNexus
Let me lick the sweat off your chest! Haha just kidding, only gamers get that one, unless...?
Always nice to see some engineering talk with Roman and you.
Also always good to see I'm not the only German just in the middle of talking English almost starting a sentence with "genau".
i thought the same, always switching to german and back to English 💀
These two guys work excellent together! Their complementary commentary and their smooth interaction with each other is cool to watch.
Can we please have a thermal pad and phase-change material round up video? Carbonaut, Kryosheet, PTM7950, Cooler Master's Thermal Pad and their "Pad Pro," etc.
There's so many options out there now, and all the products seem so similar, but are apparently specialized in different ways. Would be awesome to see how they perform, even if it doesn't show an extended duration test immediately.
Seconded
I'm more interested in knowing if it's "True" Graphene. Not a product that's got a ton of defects on the hexagonal layout and considered Graphene. If it's vertical, are the orbitals positioned accordingly???
I'm using Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut for years (since the release of the Ryzen 3000 series) on several machines and I can confirm that those pads perform very well. about 1.5°C hotter than good (thermal grizzly) paste on average, but they perform the same today as they performed on day 1. Absolutely happy with the product, looking forward to using Kryosheet in my Ryzen 7000 build in a few weeks.
Agreed. Much better than repasting every 3 or 4 years
Der8auer will be one of the first sources I look to for CPU cooling, one reason being the wealth of information this guy has each time he has a new product and the amount of effort it took to get to that point. I'm not even sure if I'll watercool my future PC build at this point, but it'll be a good bet. Good informative video, I'll take a Steve-Roman hangout vid anytime I can get it.
These guys are 🔥together. The Off the Record, On the Record smacktalking podcast must happen!
The foreshadowing of the thermal grizzly tour sounds really great :D In that case a small/big viewer gathering in Berlin would be a really nice thing :)
One of the best Bromances in the tech sphere!
I'm using the graphene pad in a build for the kid. He's old enough he lives on his own. This "set and forget" mentality is perfect considering his rig won't be serviced in at least a year.
Using the wraith stealth cooler. I know it's not the best use case scenario, but it's only a 3600 so thermals probably will never affect the CPU.
You should always call him "derBauer mit 8"
he should really lean into the "acht" as well, not just say it normally
@@LFPGaming Definitely
@@LFPGamingwhen I first read it I assumed it's der Achtauer.
I think that's exactly what he said at the beginning of their last video together 😅
As someone who specializes in making graphene and implementing applications for it, once you layer it in any direction, it's no longer acting as pure graphene and instead becomes nanoplatelet layers. It's still a bump up over traditional graphite but loses a lot of the magic of pristine single layer. Pure/pristine single layer is best used as an additive or topical layer for something else, otherwise you just have very thinly sectioned graphite again.
The cut to Jensen was a GOLDEN edit 😂. Great work as always GN team!
Roman and Jensen are very much alike as both of them overprice their stuff beyound the limits of sanity.
@riphunter5100 the difference is that thermal grizzly is actually worth the money, and even for nvidia they get away with overpricing their cards because to many people they're still worth that money
Big fan of BOTH of your channels nice to see you together =)
The most enjoyable thing about you two talking is that you totally speak the same language and are trying convey to your topic details in a manner than the general public will understand. Well done. (your eyes show how much you love to discuss your favorite topics) 😁
I didn't know I need this interview. The content on this channel has been extremely high quality lately. Made me appreciate Steve and the team at GN more then I already do.
So fun fact, those graphite sheets are so good in XY direction heat transfer you can stack a bunch of them and use it to create a thermal strap. It's used often in aerospace applications. Look up Boyd thermal straps for example.
Man how old is Roman? So passionate and to be so successful at his age is amazing, what an awesome duo. Very educational!
I had no idea Thermal Grizzly were German, but that explains so much.
Roman is the managing director of the TG so yes is a German company and the fact that many tech reviewers are friends of Roman is very concerning as this can lead to a conflict of interest and biased reviews which is very bad for consumers.This kind of relationships between the management of tech corps and reviewers is a very dangerous slippery slope and all the secrecy about comparing Coductonaut with Gallinstan liquid metal and all the BS thermal conductivity marketing just shows that.
@@riphunter5100 What slippery slope? Steve tested thermalright contact frame and it performed as good as TG frame at ¼ the price, so he straight up recommended it over TG
I would listen to you two discuss anything, even the best trash cans for the office! Your passion with talking about all aspects of your business is a pleasure to see.
I love how roman is super excited about what he does but also super realistic and calm about it.
I just love, love, LOVE you two chatting together.
viewers learn about physics and appreciate the chemestry between you guys. thats science love 🥰👍
Not related to the video but I'm so stoked to support GN and get my shirt and toolkit saturday!
Thanks for buying one!
@@GamersNexus Gotta support such a great company/journalism! I'll purchase more later to help support more down the road.
Yea I had the same idea. Purchased the globe, a glass and a shirt. Both the globe and glass arrived, hopefully the shirt soon too :P
I don't know if you have discussed it yet or not, but there is an equation from Thermodynamics than can help you understand heat transfer in liquid cooled systems:
Q-dot = m-dot*c*delta-t
Where Q-dot is the specific heat transferred,
m-dot is the MASS flow rate of the coolant, either in lb-m per hour or kg per second
c is the specific heat capacity of the coolant, either in BTU per lb-m * deg F or kJ per kg * deg K
delta-t is the difference in temperature between the incoming (cold?) coolant and the outgoing (hot) coolant.
and the * is used to signify multiplication operations.
When I had to use this formula I was still trained in EES (English Engineering System) units, so c assumed units of BTU/lb-m * deg F, which, for water is about 1 BTU per lb-m *deg F. Since most temperature measurement in the US is still done in deg. F, this might be convenient.
There's a page at The Engineer's Toolbox: www.engineeringtoolbox.com/water-thermal-properties-d_162.html
which covers the thermal and other physical properties of water. If you prefer your measurements in MKS (SI) units, this page can easily help convert from one to the other.
Deriving mass flow rate of water in a system depends strongly on temperature and pressure, as these affect water's density, and all bets are off if the water is at or above saturation temperatures at the specific pressure being used. How you measure mass flow rate depends on how much you want to spend. Usually devices such as rotameters (which are available relatively cheaply) are adequate for all testing/comparison purposes if correctly installed and calibrated.
The upshot of all this is: The greater the delta-t, the more work is being done at a given mass flow rate.
Y'all forgive me if my recollection of things is a bit fuzzy - I haven't actually had to use any of this since I left the Navy (over forty years ago). Anybody who wants to chime in with a correction is welcome to. Heck, I might learn something that way.
The cursed Jensen clip right in the middle is indeed too much for me.
I think AMD made a mistake trying to keep AM4 mounting compatible with AM5. IMO they should have just made a better IHS and let the cooler manufacturers adjust and make new mounts.
Sure but then the CPU won't overheat and that is bad for programmed obsolescence purposes. Because you know about electromigration didn't you?
@@riphunter5100 I don't think that's the reason since half their CPUs (including their most sold ones, X3D chips) don't reach above 80C since they have a much lower TDP. If all their products were capped to 95C (or at least the majority in terms of sales) then yes, I would believe it's for planned obsolescence
God damn it Steve (and crew), Killed me with those conversions.
Thank you for helping me understand how much ACTUAL area that is, as a 'Murian
gobbless
4:39 Thank you for putting those in understandable units for us Americans. You even included my three favorite units :D
13:30 in my experience after forming alloy layer, LM will stop(slowdown) "drying". So just making pre-treatment cupper by LM + second application of LM later works quite well if you don't have access to nickel plated spreader.
I LOVE YOU BOTH TOGETHER! Gemeinsam sollte man mehr machen!
As someone who's planning to buy a Kryosheet pad soon, those were the best usage instructions and caveats I could have hoped for.
Graphene is one of the most electrically conductive materials so be careful with direct die applications because if that sheet touches any of the SMDs is going short circuit them harder than liquid metal.
@@riphunter5100 Thanks for the tip, although I'm just using it as a paste replacement for a system meant to run ten years without maintenance :)
@@streetwind.Cover with kapton tape or normal insulation tape just to be safe
I really like the level of research and expertise he goes into, I'm convinced, going with one of his products for my next thermal interface replacement.
5:30 it makes sense if you want to capture more profit, the raw material is only the first step of the profit ladder, also keeps some process/jobs inland so export cannot completely dry out the industry.
Two intelligent people with deep interest in the discussing topic cant have a boring topic. I did not sub to you and roman to get makeup tips, i did it to get anything remotely related to PC hardware and liquid cooling ;) Production of said cooling is very interesting for you, and so it is for me!
Always a very interesting watch to see you two talking and enjoying the tech.
Man I can watch you have long form conversations with other tech RUclipsrs all day. But Roman in particular is super interesting when you are chatting.
Steve and Roman podcast when?
If you go to Germany for visiting, you should definitely do a fan meet up!
Can we get some testing of the kryosheet against the carbonaut pad?
Always nice to hear what Der8auer is up to, nice chat.
This is a great antidote to my seeing and thinking of Americans and Germans as sterotypes; nevermind the tech and the bromance, righting my prejudices is probably the best thing these video collabs do. 👍👍👍
Roman, can't wait for that AM5 direct die frame to be made available! I have all the rest of my new custom loop components ready to go, just waiting on the final piece!
Great content Steve & Roman, we need another Collab.
I purchased an antec kuhler mount waaay back in the day from Der8auer's webpage back before he sold the design to the big AIO corps,
it was a good ole THE GREEN Mod project on my gtx 670, and then i moved it to my 970 later, when they made the 970 with the same board layout
I am loving all the Collabs keep them coming.
We need an hour long uncensored round table discussion with Steve, Roman, Wendell and Gordon! OMG that would be epic. Maybe put the bleeped version on youtube and the uncensored version someplace else. 💯💯💯
Videos don't always need to be highly scripted. Great video!
Awesome, now get Jayz also same time into the discussion, let it run over hours and i will still watch it! ♥♥♥♥♥
Id be super stoked to see a AM5 direct die test with graphene pad and offset aircooler. Basically a completely hassle free package for long term use
I would really love a Podcast with Steve&Roman!
As a manufacturing operations guy that also has to do logistics it would be awesome if Steve does the the tour.
The wireview product looks really cool. I think I will have to grab one of these asap. Please get these to market asap Roman!
I didn't expect to hear Jensen Huang in this video
Epic video! A wireview in white would be a instant purchase for me. Looking forward to GN checking out all these products.
Thank you for breaking down the weird measurements discussed into useable metrics like number of whales, and garbage trucks. Can’t understand what anyone would use any other system, it’s so arbitrary!
Roman: Don't use paste on any direct die application
The 1990s: Socket 370, 462, Slot I, A
The 2000s: Laptops, chipsets, Northbridges, Southbridges
In all seriousness though, modern components overpower it, i Use IC diamond Graphite pads on direct die components like GPUs and more commonly Xbox 360s where the consistency and longevity is the focus but i probably will buy some TG pads and compare the thermal difference and potentially move over, at least for my personal hardware, and Socket 462 as with a cheap pad it kicks a thermal shutdown procedure before it could even post, so temperatures would be interesting to monitor as that platform has such quick thermal runaway since the paste is instantly pushed out even with thick pastes because of the strong tension and mounting procedure, the effort Roman puts into this is mindblowing, my next upgrade will 100% be supporting his products in my next computer, to get into exotic cooling solutions has been made easier by him vs the 2000s, delidding a Windsor Athlon 64 X2 and trying to do direct die was very difficult, companies have followed suit, he is a magical market shifting genius and to get products like this mainstream finally brings back fun into the PC hardware space and he helps us get that perfomance we actually paid for :)
TIL: When they laid bricks for their 2000sqm building, they used the new thermal paste between the bricks to isolate the walls.
I should probably be more worried about how entertaining I find this kind of content 🤓
a few years ago we had to connect a machine that produces connectors for the automotive industry. we were told that this machine must produce a million plugs, all of which must be inspected and approved before the customer buys a single plug.
Loved it, keep going and give us more info-talk like that.
Huehuehue the "metric scale" ..
Woohoo, Der 8auer rocks my world!!
1:25 Steve looking at the heatspreader "My precious!"
steves face when he said "use a heat gun and heat them up to 300 degrees celcius, and the graphite pads just lift up off the IHS" ........had me weak.
Steve Burke, I love what you're doing. I'm so so extremely sorry for everything I've done. You too, der8auer. If it wasn't for me, this mess wouldn't happen. Please, help me repair it!
They found each other and i love this kind of videos 👍🏻❤
Can we get a carbonaut vs kryosheet comparison? I have the carbonaut and I'm wondering if it's worth an upgrade. I don't really have temperature issues currently but if I upgrade my cpu again I will need a new pad anyway.
love the content bro, so proud of you!!!
Mr Bauer is everywhere now. Im impressed. 😆
BROMAN ❤
Der8auer: "The proper units". Totally agree, metric system FTW. 4:25
"Proper unit". Respects from Finland to Germany!
Roman has been teasing this for months. At this rate Ryzen 8000 series CPUs will release before his 7000 series blocks hit the market.
Dammit Roman, sell us the 100% pump speed ones!
It doesn't matter how it performs at 25% pump speed because the pump speed curve will just compensate, and anyone who doesn't use a DDC or D5 pump is doing watercooling wrong.
this is one of those videos where i actually learnt important stuff and i'll keep it in mind forever tbh, especially the graphene/graphite difference.
So kinda rant no one will read but I'll go ahead, i had a thermal pad years ago, i think it must have been graphite, it had terrible thermal conductivity bc i was using it on a high end ryzen cpu with its IHS and such, i was able to reuse it tho but i kinda gave up on that idea bc TERRIBLE performance, but graphene sounds very useful so i may give it a try someday.
Also linking this to the digital singages thermal solutions (it's one of my interests), i have a little signage pc i bought for 15€ years ago, it's very low end and ewasty but i use it for torrents and such (im literally the only seeder on a lot of torrents from shows and movies that are on the brink of becoming lost media), the special thing is that its passively cooled and can cool a 35W load fairly ok (except in summer tbh), it uses a weird laptop/desktop cpu from intel, apparently this era (2010-2014ish) intel was making a socket (G2) and cpus intended for both laptop and these singage pcs, some of them are only for singages and others are for laptops and singage, the difernce? they can use desktop ram and laptop ram lol. This one uses a celeron b810 (it SUCKS and ive been meaning to upgrade just so it doesnt overheat), aliexpress has some quad core cpus for this socket at like 6€ atm, they used to be 20 but no one was buying them so im thinking of getting one.
Anyway, thing is graphene maybe works great in here I'm thinking, it's direct die bc laptop-ish cpu but the heatsink is aluminum so i cant do liquid metal, also since it's pasibly cooled i dont really open it up often. Also fun fact: The heatsink is a *SOLID BLOCK* of aluminum and then a thermal pad on the top that contacts the metal case (basically you put the top of the case back when assembling and screw it from the back and it gets sandwiched, to get an idea the form factor is like a wi-fi router), been thinking of getting a thermal pad replacement for it too, i checked the minus pad extreme but it seems that not only the pad is extreme but the price too so can't really do that forthis like it'd make no sense whatsoever, but i need a 2 or 3mm thick thermal pad for this so idk, i'll keep searching but if anyone knows of a cheap but decent solution lemme know.
TL;DR, graphene is cool, i love the world of singage pc's thermal solutions and i have too much free time
When I watched the Computex keynote, all I could think about was how your editors were going to abuse the goldmine Jensen gave you! I look forward to seeing more of these memes... "Too Much!!!"
S/O to Asus for letting you use their room, loved hearing this chat and about the "niche" applications of these materials
If I feel smarter after warching Your video, I know that the time is not wasted 😉 greetings from Poland.
The Steve + Roman bromance is ❤
Happy to see two enthusiast together ❤
as a german i feel proud to see my pal chill with steve
Really good explanation of Kryosheet and would be exactly what I'd want on my next PC build. Many Thanks!!!
Keep in mind that Kryosheet is electrically conductive do, this wasn't mentioned in the video, but is important to be aware of.
@@benjaminsmekens2344 He REALLY SHOULD MENTION THAT but this video is pure advertising to me and of course nobody says anything bad about their product when advertising it because F*** consumers.
6:55 I believe he's referring to a monocrystalline diamond mill or more commonly an insert.
I love to watch you both together!
Thanks for the helpful on screen conversion from meters
Had to watch twice because I was too distracted trying to figure out what Stargate Address was on Roman's Tatoo..... :P
Yep, now I want AM4 versions of those
The look on Roman's face when you mentioned freedom units.
Look at Roman, with the Stargate tattoo on his right arm. Loved that movie / show. 🙂
Roman showed that CPU block from a vietnamese modder that used the cooler mounting holes as the water inlet/outlet for a completely clean look.
I think his own block could be made to do this with a differently designed acrylic part and custom backplate.
I can't wait to see that factory tour