It's interesting to see an interview with a thermal engineer working on developing thermal pastes. Was thinking there's not much difference between different products from the same manufacturer, glad to see someone explaining what the differences are and why some products cost more than others (like the particle dimensions and the thickness of the contact layer of the paste)
I was thinking the same. But i stand corrected. I know it's also about Steve asking the correct questions. Both Steve and Der8auer knows what gamers want and aren't afraid to both ask and answer questions.
I appreciate how little the upselling's changed from 20 years ago, when I kept getting warnings from management for not pushing extended support for a new computer to people who absolutely don't need or can't afford it. 😉 /sarcasm. Good Job Romain for being honest about value proposition, though how much is 'Please don't @ me for the pricing, please don't, no Steve, No". 😆
I can only say, I have a 4090FE for 1,5 years now. Half a year with the Nvidia adapter and 1 year with an adapter cable from Corsair. There is no direct airflow on my connector as well, but with 450W or even 600W I don't have a hot connector. Some cards just might be designed badly or use bad connectors from the factory. It would be interesting to know, if just the 12VHPWR fails or newer cards with the 12V2x6 as well.
Roman clearly says in the video his product INCREASES the chance of failure and he's never had a stock air cooled card fail. This is a product for enthusiasts who are already running their cards out of spec, especially water cooled, so need an extra warning if things are going wrong.
should come with presetup sensor on the right spot, and if the sensor reads 130 degrees, aside from alarm, would be crazy good if could turn off pc, and setup an overheat message in it, (that would require extra cables, but people would love to feel safe with it), sometimes people leave the game on and pc unattended, so not sure if just alarm would be ok.
The look on Steve's face when Roman talks about the software interface was one of him considering initial ideas on how he'll incorporate those stats into future GPU reviews.
People are spending more and more money to prevent their 12VHPWR connectors from melting. They have to choose to buy additional connector temperature sensors to solve the problem when they can just stop buying and ask the manufacturer to improve and replace the connectors.
I've been running a Wireview with my 4090 with a Corsair cable (Wireview about 6 months, Corsair cable since I got it on release) and have had no issues. The Wireview is nice peace of mind knowing the cable is completely straight with no risk of bending is quite comforting.
As someone who has never bothered to repaste any component ever, on any pc he build, ever, i look forward to buying the kryosheets so i can continue doing so with peace of mind.
Good guy Roman saves the day again, already bought the wireview after my cablemod 90deg adapter melted. Thanks to this solid advice I just put on a small Noctua NF-A6x25 leaning on the wireview to cool it down and I think I'll order a pro version to keep supporting this awesome guy. Who can we expect to accurately test Arctic MX-4 MX-6 vs KPX vs NT-H2 vs Polar Therm X-8 & X-10 etc. and when?
@@mikelay5360 It was ASUS being typical ASSUS. Someone sent in their 4090 for RMA, ASSUS had the audacity to try to get them to pay over $3k for replacing it. On a $2k card.
Yeah same, it smells almost like fabric burning although that could depend on the type of cable you have going to it. My concern with this device is that it ads two more connectors in the chain. My own theory is that the male and female pins over time begin to loosen by warm and cool cycles which can result in increase in connector resistance leading to more and more heat.
Best investment ever! Paying top dollar for a product that can burn itself then conveniently buying another1 with zero complaints is an incredibly smart purchase management strategy
@@HoodHussleryou know it's caused by users error? I take mine out like 10 times since launch. It's not rocket science to plugin completely a cable all the way in
The 12VHPWR connector and the 12V2X6 connectors should be tossed away or redesigned. It's stupid that we are seeing ANY increase in failing cards because of an inferior power connector.
Right, the gap between surface and cooler, matters more. But I can only compare what is given as spec. So the only known variable is the thermal conductivity. Unless you want to start a new trend of categorizing by particle size spec, and getting every other manufacturer on board. Go for it. If you want give us the size particles of the 8 and of the 10. So we can judge which should we buy. Until then also, SAY THE THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY.
You could use a Corsair Commander Pro to adjust fan speed if the connector gets too hot too. That said, it shouldn't *ever* get too hot. Maybe use some dielectric grease. The standard should have superfluity built into it so overheating is almost impossible without going way over spec.
I'm highly interested in the new thermal paste. I have a bit of Kryonaut and just recently my GPU ran so hot with it that I had to repaste it. And I used some super cheap chinese stuff from ALI express which came in a tug. Performs surprisingly well but who knows for how long and it was also a huge pain to apply. So, I think th X10 will be just perfect for my usecase. I'll probably get some as soon as it comes out if price/performance is indeed good enough.
Really makes me wonder how known these issues were with 4090s originally rumored to pull 600w and AIB's speccing coolers accordingly. Seems like they dialed it back just enough for this to not be a waay bigger issue.
If I can make a suggestion... Replace the input connection with 4 standard 8 pin connectors. That would completely eliminate the need for input monitoring to the device and allow you to use the extra probe on the GPU itself.
Temperature runaway is not the cause of the failure, it's an effect. If you would cool the connector by blowing air on it, the temp sensors wouldn't go off and you wouldn't get the warning, or would get it too late.
If I ever were to pay 2,000 for a GPU, I would expect that under no circumstances do I have to worry about delicate janky components. I would expect to receive an insanely over-engineered piece of hardware. Well I guess that's one more reason I won't ever pay that. Esp. not to Nvidia, who even after 2 years couldn't be bothered to properly redesign their products.
I have used the WireView , but since I use vertical GPU , NO MORE , but would like to see a straight WireView , would face the front glass ,as to see reading.
what i dont get is why nvidia just didnt add andn extra 2-4 pins on the port/plug i mean it would hardly make it any bigger yet would probably of been enouugh to prevent this problem
Hmm, I wonder if designing it so that the sense wires reconfigure to lower power request settings would be an option. So if the temperature gets too high, not only give an alarm, also reduce the max requested power level down a level (so 600W => 450W). The card will probably go to a lower performance level, but it should reduce the heat level in the connector.
Extra layer of complexity and another avenue where they could be held responsible if the users card fails because they were now relying on that function to stop the card cooking itself.
Could mobo manuf. Put an additional 6 pin power near pcie slots to offload more power delivery through the board? It seems like limiting the gpu cable to 400w would prevent most issues.
Roman stole my idea to stick a thermal probe on the connector xD only I put it on my 12VHPWR corsair cable connector with a HWINFO alarm that sets the minimum power limit of 150w on the card: nvidia-smi -pl 150
I have the original WireView on my 4090, but it was interfering with the back-plate of my waterblock and as far as I searched this is a common problem of the WireView and I had to file my 8pin cables so I can fit them together with the WireView on my GPU. Meanwhile ThermalGrizzly support told me that it is not recommended to do it and that the warranty will be void, no matter that I haven't made any mods to the WireView itself. The support was not proficient enough to understand the problem. I have a lot ot ThermalGrizzly products, but I will not use them anymore.
Aren't these guards compatible with gear from Aqua computer? For measurement and control? That would be a great addition. All our high-end builds are equipped with Aqua Computer automatization. From aquaero till the Octo interfaces. I see the same connectors on these great devices. Thanks.
This whole 12VHP connector was TOTALLY predictable. They took 3x8pin (24 pins of large gauge) and replaced them with 1x16pin (of smaller gauge)....... WHAT DID THEY THINK WOULD HAPPEN!? As soon as they said you needed to keep the wire perfectly straight for the first 35mm out of the card I knew they were on the ragged edge of capability. This is why EVGA put 2 of them on the 3090ti Kingpin cards.
So put a fan on the connector for the 4090? I put a fan on my 3090 with the case open, especially in the warmer months. We need open air cases for the 4090
I have two 3090's, I bolted gpus side of tower case and connected with risercables. No more pci-e connector shagging and better cooling, not sandwiching both cards
Here is an idea for you. Watching this video i have no idea what this is and what it does, i guess its some kind of a temperature sensor for the connector for 4090's that keep on melting due to user incorrectly plugging it in. Not sure how it works and what it does to prevent anything to be honest but i dont know. Like i said, i dont understand much from this video because you failed to show anything really. How ever, for a device that can "save" your GPU, i would like to see a watt limiting device. Either something that can read the number of watts card is pulling and CUT the power if it exceeds user setting, or an inline connector with a fuse. If gpu short circuits something and it has no fuses to protect the circuit, i would like to see a connector middleman with fuses that would blow in the event of a short circuit. Most high end 4090's including every single founders edition starting from 20 series i think, DO NOT put fuses on the board.
Considering the recent rumored specs of the RTX 5090, I would say the WireView Pro is an essential peice of kit. Do like that 90 degree version will be available. Edit: I contacted Thermal Grizzly about the release of the 90 degree version of the Pro and it looks like they have no plans to release it now. Shame as I am building an air cooled system and the 90 degree version would have alleviated concern about space between the gpu and air cooler.
So will this break before my GPU and save it? I didn’t quite understand what they meant, for example Baur said that they would replace a broken card, was that a GPU or the WireView?
If there's a thermal grizzly product that I need/ can use, I always do. Never using standard thermal pads or paste, or even SAM. Everything that can be Thermal Grizzly is thermal grizzly. All because of Roman and how he does business! ❤
It could also be baloney sausage though. A lot of manufacturers like to sprinkle their products with big or complex words (if not both) because they know the average joe doesnt know shit about what they are talking about. Average thermal paste enjoyer just thinks complex words/ingredients = better paste. This sort of malpractice happens everyday. It tends to happen a lot with food supplements. For instance AG1 that sponsor a lot of youtubers. They'll print a lot of complex words on the packaging. Hype that shit up telling you how much you need all of it, but you probably dont even need half of whats in it because it either already exists naturally within your body (i.e your body can create it on its own) or its not needed at all because it does nothing (it passes straight through your body) it just has a fancy name and they can use it to hoodwink you.
That's a sizeable extra cost and the value can't be justified for many of us, given economic policy unfortunately. It should be that we build and buy for quality and durability, but the race to the bottom has dragged many of us with it. Glad to hear they're well appreciated by those who can, though.
@@Rose.Of.Hizaki Well, their stuff has stood up to numerous tests and come out as good. And most of the people that use their products know their stuff and read a lot of reviews before hand. Additionally, Roman is the guy that does that "A lot of manufacturers like to sprinkle their products with big or complex words (if not both) because they know the average joe doesnt know shit about what they are talking about. Average thermal paste enjoyer just thinks complex words/ingredients = better paste." the least. After all he was one of the first to say that most of the W/k stuff on packages says little, and that it matters more how thin you can spread the paste than how good it is. Unless the paste isn't good...* Which echoes the experience of most people who have built their PCs. At work we recently tested replacing the normal Lenovo "Thermal Paste", with first my Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut and then Thermal Grizzly Aeronaut. Both are good, easy to apply thinly and have a very good. We tested it against the Lenovo and the Shin-Etsu paste that Apple uses, and we got significantly better results from the TG stuff. We couldn't drop the temps on Intel Labtop CPUs past the 10th gen, due to the boosting behaviour, but we got between 5-10% more computing power on 12th gen Chips, and about 8-15% on 13th gen Intel Labtop chips. Hell there was one case with dried up Lenovo "Paste" where the difference was almost 60% in the boost phase and an average over 10 cycles/roughly 20 minutes of running the test of +41% with the TG Aeronaut paste. IIRC the TG Aeronaut was also about 20-30% better than the Shin-Etsu* paste on the 13th gen chips. Lenovo's paste is shite, and their cooling "solution" for their CPUs is more of an alibi than actually properly sized cooling. *That's why I said that unless the paste isn't good, because the Shin-Etsu can be spread very, very thinly , if you use the right technique, but it's still worse than the TG Aeronaut. Which is the value option at TG. Our main customer was very happy with us applying that paste across the pool, because they gained basically free processing power, and a bit more longevity and less crashes or I/O-Problems, as well as less repairs and downtime from the change. And all that for the price of one or two tubes of thermal paste, less than 50 euros invested, which for that company isn't even a drop in the bucket. Yeah was funny to hear "Doesn't matter if it costs 50 Euros a tube, that's not a lot of money!" As a self-builder one has to justify the cost of the paste each time and here, you could buy the most expensive ones and no one would care.
Bought a 4080 super to do some renders for my dads company. I can say that buying that 4080 saved us a few thousand as I did the work myself. I obviously paid myself for my work but now I don’t have to invest heavily alongside my dad as I can do it myself. The more you buy, the more you save 😂.
Just had my WireView fail on my AMD 7900XTX Reference. Have had the unit hooked up to my card for last 9mths. Son was playing some Jedi Survivor when it happened. My system is water cooled. There are cooling fans that pull air in from the bottom over my videocard. Thermal Grizzly is going to fix my card. That's standing behind your product.
He literally said in the video its only necessary because people are water cooling cards without considering that the connector needs airflow, and that his adapter makes the problem worse.
My 4090 Strix OC burnt out its connector and yes it was plugged in properly, it was cable mods 90 degree adapter that melted. Cable mod did a recall of that adapter here in Australia. What a f&^%%%kin MESS Nvidia!!!!!!!!!!
Folks set records with air cooled GPUs all the time, air cooling your GPU is just better, we've come to the end of the water cooling era. Also, I'm so glad we have Derbauer and Thermal Grizzly, a treasure of the industry.
Fantastic, needing an extra component for your $2000+ graphics card to prevent it from burning down your house. Still an excellent idea from Der8auer. He can see a deficiency and build a product to amend it. The more you buy...
If it's not realistic for you to ensure the cables aren't dangerous, don't throw your hands up and say you're not responsible, manufacture or source a better one.
He literally said in the video he has never managed to melt a stock air cooled card and that his adapter actually increases the chances of it happening. This exists for enthusiasts who are water cooling so run a higher risk of problems as they are running the cards in a way they weren't designed for.
Hi Steve. Do you have any plans to compare the various Thermal Grizzly interface products with air cooler and an AIO: Hydronaut, Kryonaut and Kryosheet? It has been said that Hydronaut should be better than Kryonaut with water cooling (AIO), even though Kryonaut is the more premium product. It would be really good to know what the difference is before the next gen CPUs launch. Thanks in advance 🙂
Interesting; was considering to add Kryonaut to my 5800X3D update, but if it's not designed for long term use... Wonder if that also applies to kryosheet
Finally, some innovation from this show and from a top dude. Nvidia needs to split the load on the connector better. 1 connector having the power delivery all tight together is a bad idea. At least with 2 8 pins you can space out the power delivery. You don't coil up an extension lead for the same reason. Nvidia basically did the equivalent to that in the connector putting it all close together.
Interesting. It would be nice to be able to use one of the thermal sensor to mesure the temp on PSU connector side, where is probably no airflow to cool it down.
What I like about Roman is that he's such a No-Bullshit kind of guy.....
hes german its expected
@@Soddus. On behalf of us Germans: We feel flattered. 😅
the whole product is a straight up bs and a cash grab 🙄
@@Ludak021😂
It's marketing
Don't forget: the more you buy, the more you save!
More's law?
Absolutely! Last week I ordered 5 4090s, I've never saved this much money before. I also ordered 2 4080s yesterday, so I can save EVEN MORE!!
N+1
*_Je mehr Sie kaufen,_*
*_desto mehr sparen Sie!_*
(Google translated)
Yep. With the third 4090, they were offering to pay ME to buy it, so I bought all of the stock at my local store and now I'm a rich man!
Roman is a freaking legend. The hardware enthusiast space would be so bleak without his contributions
And his fat cat. 😀
@@HanSolo__Cats
Nvidia prices are the ultimate protection. Can't break what you can't afford
Even the latest automotive industry trend takes envy of Nvidia!
😂😂
100% true
but what if you get one for free...
It's interesting to see an interview with a thermal engineer working on developing thermal pastes. Was thinking there's not much difference between different products from the same manufacturer, glad to see someone explaining what the differences are and why some products cost more than others (like the particle dimensions and the thickness of the contact layer of the paste)
I was thinking the same. But i stand corrected.
I know it's also about Steve asking the correct questions.
Both Steve and Der8auer knows what gamers want and aren't afraid to both ask and answer questions.
so glad too see these colabs with other youtubers, thanks for the coverage
07:32 that is CEO accuracy
I appreciate how little the upselling's changed from 20 years ago, when I kept getting warnings from management for not pushing extended support for a new computer to people who absolutely don't need or can't afford it. 😉
/sarcasm. Good Job Romain for being honest about value proposition, though how much is 'Please don't @ me for the pricing, please don't, no Steve, No". 😆
I can only say, I have a 4090FE for 1,5 years now. Half a year with the Nvidia adapter and 1 year with an adapter cable from Corsair.
There is no direct airflow on my connector as well, but with 450W or even 600W I don't have a hot connector.
Some cards just might be designed badly or use bad connectors from the factory.
It would be interesting to know, if just the 12VHPWR fails or newer cards with the 12V2x6 as well.
Can vouch for their RMA process. When I had an issue with my Wireview Roman stepped in and resolved the issue quickly.
Roman clearly says in the video his product INCREASES the chance of failure and he's never had a stock air cooled card fail. This is a product for enthusiasts who are already running their cards out of spec, especially water cooled, so need an extra warning if things are going wrong.
should come with presetup sensor on the right spot, and if the sensor reads 130 degrees, aside from alarm, would be crazy good if could turn off pc, and setup an overheat message in it, (that would require extra cables, but people would love to feel safe with it),
sometimes people leave the game on and pc unattended, so not sure if just alarm would be ok.
The look on Steve's face when Roman talks about the software interface was one of him considering initial ideas on how he'll incorporate those stats into future GPU reviews.
Great stuff Roman and a worthy sponser to HUB's Computex visit!
People are spending more and more money to prevent their 12VHPWR connectors from melting. They have to choose to buy additional connector temperature sensors to solve the problem when they can just stop buying and ask the manufacturer to improve and replace the connectors.
Nvidia should have been held responsible for this stuff up, I guess they’re allowed to play by their own rules.
Nvidia is allowed to do anything.
I have multiple melted 40s here that Nvidia denied warranty for.
The more you buy, the more you save.
In my views, God does not leave these things unpunished. Nvidia will get what's coming to them- this isn't "just business", it's outright theft
the more you buy the more you save. the more you buy the more you save. the more you buy the more you save... :)
The problem is the consumer. We keep buying their products.
Perhaps AI would make better executive and management decisions.
In Germany we call it Ehrenmann (honorable man) 😂
In Sweden we call it hedersknyffel (honorable man) 😂
In Norway we call it æresknull (honourable man)
In Morse we call it .... --- -. --- .-. .- -... .-.. . / -- .- -. (honorable man)
Meddl !
In Denmark we call it hæderlig mand (honorable man)
Debauer is such a cool guy, and him working with elmor labs is great.
I've been running a Wireview with my 4090 with a Corsair cable (Wireview about 6 months, Corsair cable since I got it on release) and have had no issues. The Wireview is nice peace of mind knowing the cable is completely straight with no risk of bending is quite comforting.
Kryosheet is genuinely great though...
Knowing I never need to repaste is such a relief.
As someone who has never bothered to repaste any component ever, on any pc he build, ever, i look forward to buying the kryosheets so i can continue doing so with peace of mind.
Repasting is much more necessary on Intel's CPU furnaces.
I’ve never had to repaste due to bad paste but I did get tired of ripping CPUs out of their sockets and this fixed that 😂
Roman is the GOAT imo
Out of all companies, its thermal grizzly who takes care of Nvidias melting issues? 😂
Sounds like the next version of Wireview needs a small fan like the Arctic Freezer just to get the air moving.
Good guy Roman saves the day again, already bought the wireview after my cablemod 90deg adapter melted. Thanks to this solid advice I just put on a small Noctua NF-A6x25 leaning on the wireview to cool it down and I think I'll order a pro version to keep supporting this awesome guy.
Who can we expect to accurately test Arctic MX-4 MX-6 vs KPX vs NT-H2 vs Polar Therm X-8 & X-10 etc. and when?
ThermalGrizzly does have great customer service. The OLED display on mine began to dim after almost a year of use and they replaced it.
"The more you buy, the more you save"
*paid $3,000 to fix ASUS RTX 4090 that costs $2,000
Wait what 😂
@@mikelay5360 It was ASUS being typical ASSUS. Someone sent in their 4090 for RMA, ASSUS had the audacity to try to get them to pay over $3k for replacing it. On a $2k card.
you see? exactly, if you just bought another 4090 u would've saved 1k. they r right.
@@greenumbrellacorp5744 that's some CEO math, I'm proud of you
@@rustler08because Asus doesn't want to repair anything. They would rather sell a new card.
Thanks for all the refreshingly honest info on futur and released products. Der8auer should teach MBA to all tech CEOs!
Really like the fact that theyre upfront about what it's for, not a liar or anything. Love these products I've already bought a lot of them.
“If” and “can”. Gotta love the openedness when it comes to hocking wares.
Neat. Currently I have to depend on the smell of burning plastic to know if my connectors getting hot or not.
Already on my second 4090 🤣
Yeah same, it smells almost like fabric burning although that could depend on the type of cable you have going to it. My concern with this device is that it ads two more connectors in the chain. My own theory is that the male and female pins over time begin to loosen by warm and cool cycles which can result in increase in connector resistance leading to more and more heat.
Best investment ever! Paying top dollar for a product that can burn itself then conveniently buying another1 with zero complaints is an incredibly smart purchase management strategy
ngl I'm a bit anxious with my 4090 after these reports. Did they replace your card free of charge or did you have to literally buy a new one?
@@HoodHussleryou know it's caused by users error?
I take mine out like 10 times since launch.
It's not rocket science to plugin completely a cable all the way in
@@TerraWare love your channel man don't burn more 4090's😅
Interesting technology!
Thanks for the video!
Thumbs up for the wire view. I like mine and adds a cool look to my 7900xtx.
The 12VHPWR connector and the 12V2X6 connectors should be tossed away or redesigned. It's stupid that we are seeing ANY increase in failing cards because of an inferior power connector.
A 12V power connector is OK for my 4070S.
If only everyone selling you stuff was as honest! The world would be a far better place.
Great job, always interesting listening to the engineers.
Right, the gap between surface and cooler, matters more. But I can only compare what is given as spec. So the only known variable is the thermal conductivity. Unless you want to start a new trend of categorizing by particle size spec, and getting every other manufacturer on board. Go for it.
If you want give us the size particles of the 8 and of the 10. So we can judge which should we buy.
Until then also, SAY THE THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY.
You could use a Corsair Commander Pro to adjust fan speed if the connector gets too hot too.
That said, it shouldn't *ever* get too hot. Maybe use some dielectric grease.
The standard should have superfluity built into it so overheating is almost impossible without going way over spec.
I'm highly interested in the new thermal paste. I have a bit of Kryonaut and just recently my GPU ran so hot with it that I had to repaste it. And I used some super cheap chinese stuff from ALI express which came in a tug. Performs surprisingly well but who knows for how long and it was also a huge pain to apply. So, I think th X10 will be just perfect for my usecase. I'll probably get some as soon as it comes out if price/performance is indeed good enough.
Neat, might buy one when I upgrade to a 5000 series.
The more you buy the more you save.
The more you buy the more you save.
The more you buy, the more you save... (starts doing the secret handshake)
N+1
Proceeds to save for the 5090
has this turned into some stupid amd fanboy mating call or something?
Really makes me wonder how known these issues were with 4090s originally rumored to pull 600w and AIB's speccing coolers accordingly. Seems like they dialed it back just enough for this to not be a waay bigger issue.
A Pole watching Australian and German folks making stuff in Taiwan for the US users (mostly).
If I can make a suggestion... Replace the input connection with 4 standard 8 pin connectors. That would completely eliminate the need for input monitoring to the device and allow you to use the extra probe on the GPU itself.
This should not be the responsibility of others. Nvidia needs to fix their darn connector.
12V HPWR connector was actually designed by an Intel engineer.
My guess is oxidation of contacts can result in resistance increase and there we go
2 youtube channels I love to watch when it comes to PC technology.
I'm surprised they didn't build a tiny fan in it so it'd also act as a connector cooler too
Temperature runaway is not the cause of the failure, it's an effect. If you would cool the connector by blowing air on it, the temp sensors wouldn't go off and you wouldn't get the warning, or would get it too late.
Yeah if you are going to pay 2,000 for a card you need to protect it.
But if you pay for 400 for one, you don't because it doesn't burn like a supernova
If I ever were to pay 2,000 for a GPU, I would expect that under no circumstances do I have to worry about delicate janky components. I would expect to receive an insanely over-engineered piece of hardware. Well I guess that's one more reason I won't ever pay that. Esp. not to Nvidia, who even after 2 years couldn't be bothered to properly redesign their products.
* laughs in gt1030 *
@@Hugh_I "insanely over-engineered piece", when it comes to connectors I want it underengineered and overbuilt.
@@stanimir4197 yeah I meant in the sense of over-spec'ed: connectors or chosen to handle like double the amount of current as realistically needed.
I have used the WireView , but since I use vertical GPU , NO MORE , but would like to see a straight WireView , would face the front glass ,as to see reading.
I didn't even know these existed. I'm glad I watched this.
I love seeing these guys I watch every day all together in one video, it just makes me happy :)
what i dont get is why nvidia just didnt add andn extra 2-4 pins on the port/plug i mean it would hardly make it any bigger yet would probably of been enouugh to prevent this problem
Buy a T sensor connect to GPU connector and use Icue softwear to set all fans full speed and go red if RGB at 65c and shut down PC 70c
I liked the sneaky b-roll during the interview
Hmm, I wonder if designing it so that the sense wires reconfigure to lower power request settings would be an option. So if the temperature gets too high, not only give an alarm, also reduce the max requested power level down a level (so 600W => 450W). The card will probably go to a lower performance level, but it should reduce the heat level in the connector.
Extra layer of complexity and another avenue where they could be held responsible if the users card fails because they were now relying on that function to stop the card cooking itself.
Could mobo manuf. Put an additional 6 pin power near pcie slots to offload more power delivery through the board? It seems like limiting the gpu cable to 400w would prevent most issues.
Roman stole my idea to stick a thermal probe on the connector xD only I put it on my 12VHPWR corsair cable connector with a HWINFO alarm that sets the minimum power limit of 150w on the card: nvidia-smi -pl 150
The collab we all wanted!
I have the original WireView on my 4090, but it was interfering with the back-plate of my waterblock and as far as I searched this is a common problem of the WireView and I had to file my 8pin cables so I can fit them together with the WireView on my GPU. Meanwhile ThermalGrizzly support told me that it is not recommended to do it and that the warranty will be void, no matter that I haven't made any mods to the WireView itself. The support was not proficient enough to understand the problem. I have a lot ot ThermalGrizzly products, but I will not use them anymore.
Aren't these guards compatible with gear from Aqua computer? For measurement and control? That would be a great addition. All our high-end builds are equipped with Aqua Computer automatization. From aquaero till the Octo interfaces. I see the same connectors on these great devices. Thanks.
What I really want to know is if Nvidia is changing the connector design for 50-series
This whole 12VHP connector was TOTALLY predictable.
They took 3x8pin (24 pins of large gauge) and replaced them with 1x16pin (of smaller gauge).......
WHAT DID THEY THINK WOULD HAPPEN!?
As soon as they said you needed to keep the wire perfectly straight for the first 35mm out of the card I knew they were on the ragged edge of capability.
This is why EVGA put 2 of them on the 3090ti Kingpin cards.
So put a fan on the connector for the 4090? I put a fan on my 3090 with the case open, especially in the warmer months. We need open air cases for the 4090
I have two 3090's, I bolted gpus side of tower case and connected with risercables. No more pci-e connector shagging and better cooling, not sandwiching both cards
I have the OG on my FE 4090 , and it works great.
Here is an idea for you.
Watching this video i have no idea what this is and what it does, i guess its some kind of a temperature sensor for the connector for 4090's that keep on melting due to user incorrectly plugging it in. Not sure how it works and what it does to prevent anything to be honest but i dont know. Like i said, i dont understand much from this video because you failed to show anything really.
How ever, for a device that can "save" your GPU, i would like to see a watt limiting device. Either something that can read the number of watts card is pulling and CUT the power if it exceeds user setting, or an inline connector with a fuse.
If gpu short circuits something and it has no fuses to protect the circuit, i would like to see a connector middleman with fuses that would blow in the event of a short circuit.
Most high end 4090's including every single founders edition starting from 20 series i think, DO NOT put fuses on the board.
I have invented a good robust protection. It is called Two 8 pin PCIE connectors.
When?
Considering the recent rumored specs of the RTX 5090, I would say the WireView Pro is an essential peice of kit. Do like that 90 degree version will be available.
Edit: I contacted Thermal Grizzly about the release of the 90 degree version of the Pro and it looks like they have no plans to release it now. Shame as I am building an air cooled system and the 90 degree version would have alleviated concern about space between the gpu and air cooler.
So will this break before my GPU and save it? I didn’t quite understand what they meant, for example Baur said that they would replace a broken card, was that a GPU or the WireView?
ciao please can y list us al the nvidia hardware that is at Melting risk ?
Better would be. Smoke sensor near connector
Maybe NVidia will include resettable thermal fuses in their next space heater designs?
If there's a thermal grizzly product that I need/ can use, I always do. Never using standard thermal pads or paste, or even SAM. Everything that can be Thermal Grizzly is thermal grizzly. All because of Roman and how he does business! ❤
Yup. The openness is really appreciated
It could also be baloney sausage though. A lot of manufacturers like to sprinkle their products with big or complex words (if not both) because they know the average joe doesnt know shit about what they are talking about. Average thermal paste enjoyer just thinks complex words/ingredients = better paste.
This sort of malpractice happens everyday. It tends to happen a lot with food supplements. For instance AG1 that sponsor a lot of youtubers. They'll print a lot of complex words on the packaging. Hype that shit up telling you how much you need all of it, but you probably dont even need half of whats in it because it either already exists naturally within your body (i.e your body can create it on its own) or its not needed at all because it does nothing (it passes straight through your body) it just has a fancy name and they can use it to hoodwink you.
That's a sizeable extra cost and the value can't be justified for many of us, given economic policy unfortunately.
It should be that we build and buy for quality and durability, but the race to the bottom has dragged many of us with it.
Glad to hear they're well appreciated by those who can, though.
@@Rose.Of.Hizaki Well, their stuff has stood up to numerous tests and come out as good.
And most of the people that use their products know their stuff and read a lot of reviews before hand.
Additionally, Roman is the guy that does that "A lot of manufacturers like to sprinkle their products with big or complex words (if not both) because they know the average joe doesnt know shit about what they are talking about. Average thermal paste enjoyer just thinks complex words/ingredients = better paste." the least.
After all he was one of the first to say that most of the W/k stuff on packages says little, and that it matters more how thin you can spread the paste than how good it is.
Unless the paste isn't good...*
Which echoes the experience of most people who have built their PCs.
At work we recently tested replacing the normal Lenovo "Thermal Paste", with first my Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut and then Thermal Grizzly Aeronaut.
Both are good, easy to apply thinly and have a very good.
We tested it against the Lenovo and the Shin-Etsu paste that Apple uses, and we got significantly better results from the TG stuff.
We couldn't drop the temps on Intel Labtop CPUs past the 10th gen, due to the boosting behaviour, but we got between 5-10% more computing power on 12th gen Chips, and about 8-15% on 13th gen Intel Labtop chips.
Hell there was one case with dried up Lenovo "Paste" where the difference was almost 60% in the boost phase and an average over 10 cycles/roughly 20 minutes of running the test of +41% with the TG Aeronaut paste. IIRC the TG Aeronaut was also about 20-30% better than the Shin-Etsu* paste on the 13th gen chips.
Lenovo's paste is shite, and their cooling "solution" for their CPUs is more of an alibi than actually properly sized cooling.
*That's why I said that unless the paste isn't good, because the Shin-Etsu can be spread very, very thinly , if you use the right technique, but it's still worse than the TG Aeronaut. Which is the value option at TG.
Our main customer was very happy with us applying that paste across the pool, because they gained basically free processing power, and a bit more longevity and less crashes or I/O-Problems, as well as less repairs and downtime from the change.
And all that for the price of one or two tubes of thermal paste, less than 50 euros invested, which for that company isn't even a drop in the bucket.
Yeah was funny to hear "Doesn't matter if it costs 50 Euros a tube, that's not a lot of money!" As a self-builder one has to justify the cost of the paste each time and here, you could buy the most expensive ones and no one would care.
Integrate Frore AirJet?
the kryonaut I applied to my laptop cpu+gpu dried in 6 months.
Does anyone know if this will work with the Asus Strix 4080 where the power connector is slightly recessed?
Which one i need to buy for 4080S FE?
Bought a 4080 super to do some renders for my dads company. I can say that buying that 4080 saved us a few thousand as I did the work myself. I obviously paid myself for my work but now I don’t have to invest heavily alongside my dad as I can do it myself. The more you buy, the more you save 😂.
There's no AI in the product names, how can they be any good?
Just had my WireView fail on my AMD 7900XTX Reference. Have had the unit hooked up to my card for last 9mths. Son was playing some Jedi Survivor when it happened. My system is water cooled. There are cooling fans that pull air in from the bottom over my videocard. Thermal Grizzly is going to fix my card. That's standing behind your product.
If I could afford a 4090 I could melt the connector very quickly. It isn't that difficult to figure out how they are melting their cards' connectors.
Welp, guess you gotta water cool the power connector too.
Sad that this sort of thing even feels necessary.
He literally said in the video its only necessary because people are water cooling cards without considering that the connector needs airflow, and that his adapter makes the problem worse.
does it work on laptop gpu?
My 4090 Strix OC burnt out its connector and yes it was plugged in properly, it was cable mods 90 degree adapter that melted. Cable mod did a recall of that adapter here in Australia. What a f&^%%%kin MESS Nvidia!!!!!!!!!!
90 deg? Are you sure you dont mean the 180 degree? I just purchased the 90 deg as the 180s were recalled.
The insanity of this product, but the sanity of its maker, is just crazy.
I often think about the Roman empire.
Should have added a fan on top of the wire view 😂
Folks set records with air cooled GPUs all the time, air cooling your GPU is just better, we've come to the end of the water cooling era.
Also, I'm so glad we have Derbauer and Thermal Grizzly, a treasure of the industry.
Last time I was this early my wife left me!
Does she hate you watching our videos? If so.... I get it.
😂😂😂😂
It just works!
Nvidia must be loving the profit ball.
Now it's 4 destroied connectors...
Thank you Thermal Grizzly for repairing my 4090 TUF
Time to watercool the GPU power connector now.
Fantastic, needing an extra component for your $2000+ graphics card to prevent it from burning down your house.
Still an excellent idea from Der8auer.
He can see a deficiency and build a product to amend it.
The more you buy...
If it's not realistic for you to ensure the cables aren't dangerous, don't throw your hands up and say you're not responsible, manufacture or source a better one.
It is a bad state that, industry professionals are coming forward to fix big corporate mistakes.....
He literally said in the video he has never managed to melt a stock air cooled card and that his adapter actually increases the chances of it happening. This exists for enthusiasts who are water cooling so run a higher risk of problems as they are running the cards in a way they weren't designed for.
Hi Steve. Do you have any plans to compare the various Thermal Grizzly interface products with air cooler and an AIO: Hydronaut, Kryonaut and Kryosheet? It has been said that Hydronaut should be better than Kryonaut with water cooling (AIO), even though Kryonaut is the more premium product. It would be really good to know what the difference is before the next gen CPUs launch. Thanks in advance 🙂
Interesting; was considering to add Kryonaut to my 5800X3D update, but if it's not designed for long term use... Wonder if that also applies to kryosheet
Finally, some innovation from this show and from a top dude. Nvidia needs to split the load on the connector better. 1 connector having the power delivery all tight together is a bad idea. At least with 2 8 pins you can space out the power delivery. You don't coil up an extension lead for the same reason. Nvidia basically did the equivalent to that in the connector putting it all close together.
Interesting. It would be nice to be able to use one of the thermal sensor to mesure the temp on PSU connector side, where is probably no airflow to cool it down.