Which one is right for you?
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Stuck trying to decide whether or not to get an AIO versus a custom loop? Here is some information to help you decide!
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AIO cause I don’t have to build the loop or manage it lol
Lol I'm exactly the same
I feel the same. Lol
Did my first custom loop this year. It’s really not that bad with corsairs bending kit and some patience. AIO are easier an cheaper, but the custom loops look sick 👍
Once built, just gotta replace fluid once every 2 years. Sooner if you don't use premixes.
Seriously, not that bad, performs better and is quieter than an AIO.
Aios may involve a lot less maintenance than a clc, but that doesn’t mean no maintenance! A lot of bad aio situations could have been solved if they let you top up the fluid inside.
Lithium, Sodium, Potasium, Calcium, Titanium, Chromium ... US, don't, please .... Alumi-NUM 🤪
Hardline/custom loop owner here. Much harder to maintain and build, more expensive, but I love looking at it and knowing that it's one of a kind, looks great and performs well
what's wrong with soft tubing & distilled water?
I bought a 3950X with a X570 master and 32 Gb 3600 DDR4. I was going to buy an RTX 3080. But for obvious reasons it didn't happen.
Inspired by Jays vids I thought I'm going to water cool this sucker". And so I started buying the stuff week by week.
When I had it all, I looked at it and thought "holly crap, this is that Jays fault" I'm glad I did it. Nowhere near perfect but ok for a first try
yep im glad i chose soft tubbing first because it was easier to deal with i had no issues at all
@@kevinerbs2778 nothing, had that setup for years
@@kevinerbs2778 There's nothing wrong with it at all...
It depends on you - do you mind soft tubing, organic looking loops - or do you want your tubes not "sagging", looking more uniform.
They will both perform the same if the pumps and rads are the same - it's just about what pleases you.
Oh, and if you're willing to spend the time trying to bend everything perfectly for your hardline tubes.
Just do whatever makes you happy - I would certainly start with a soft tubing build, just so you get used to everything fitting together, but other than the learning curve... all up to the individual really.
I remember browsing the aquarium sections way back in the day trying to figure out how to rig up my own custom cooling solution. Custom cooling has come a long way, it is just too bad that everything is so expensive now. Aquarium section included.
Having built both, I like the simplicity of the AIO. I’ve spent a ton of money making a few open loops and still have a box full of odds and ends for when I eventually make another loop.
Same here. Considering how cool my 4080 runs, I can’t convince myself the need of a custom loop. Previous 3000 series watercooling was the way to keep them silent and cool, but not really needed now, as long the case offers good airflow, you’re better off splashing on some quiet fans.
Oh yeah. AIOs being super easy/simple to handle is a gift from God
Wish there were aios without the fans tho. That way it would save cost and people could use better fans too without going full custom loop. Idk how to do a custom loop but I sure as hell know how to replace a radiator fan, in fact, you gotta attach the included ones yourself anyway.
Glad you’re doing better and recovering fast Jay. Great video as always. You and the team are top notch 🤘.
Both have places - but the AIO generally will focus on one component (ie CPU, GPU, and most recently (thanks to Team Group) NVMe drives, etc), while the custom loop can be expanded to include many devices, rad's, etc.
Just did my second hardline water-cooling build, its not about practicality, its about the satisfaction of the build. Its a hobby after all.
I would love to see more water cooling guides. It's actually reason why I found this channel.
Everyone keeps telling him to make OC and water-cooling stuff
there is plenty of it in his video library :D
@@tomast9034 oh I know but with watching this video and him talking about the hard lines, didn't realize they had so many options. Haven't looked at custom parts in over a decade.
for 0.1% of his audience
@@backlogbuddies It's cause that is what's pretty much I see people care about. Otherwise they do gaming on console, or just a cell phone.
I've built a custom loop a couple of years ago. The second PC I've ever built. It's amazing to look at something you've built yourself. I cleaned my loop last week for the first time and used the opportunity to upgrade the GPU. Maintenance is not that bad (at that point you know your loop). Planing and building was far more exhausting, especially if its the first time. If things don't go as planned or you make mistakes that destroy something, things can get expensive and frustrating.
I love learning a little bit more about water cooling like this, I live in a high desert environment and summers here are way too hot for an air cooler so liquid is the only way to keep my rig cool. Sadly the next major hold up for me is price i never have a lot of money so AIOs are enough to keep my pc alive and gaming while also not spending all my money. Thanks Jay Phil and Nic for these info videos like this maybe one day I can go open loop but any more little info I can have is always welcome and definitely helps make decisions easier. 😀
Always bear in mind that a low end chiller will greatly outperform even the most hardcore PC solution. In the desert during the hot months I imagine you wouldn't need to worry about condensation either, so you could crank it up properly.
When you discover hybrid gpus its as game changing as aios. I have a 1070 hybrid I gave my nephew from the 1st cryptocurrency craze. Still going strong 5 years later. It's all about proper rad positioning.
I really enjoyed making my custom loop on a heavily overclocked Xeon x5670 and I’m sure it performed better, but it’s just so expensive and overkill with todays chips. They’re already boosting themselves and not much OC headroom , thermals don’t seem to be the limiting reagent. On an Arctic freezer 280 AIO refurb I got from factory for $55 plus shipping on my R5-5600 and couldn’t be happier
For building something practical, AIO will always win out....but then by that logic just get an NH D15
Nh d15 v2! The just updated the fans for higher static pressure!
I think aio is great for most. I think custom loops allow you to do a lot more and have greater capability. There is also the second kind of cool in that its one of a kind and such.
Aio for £130
Takes 10 mins to install
90 percent of the performance
The extra ten percent perf you get from loop is also unneeded by 99 percent of users
But no GPU cooling.
Is it possible to get another aio for gpu cooling just asking
@@centenario6677 Yes, Alphacool makes the Eiswolf 2 GPU AIO using their open loop parts. I run a 360mm Eiswolf 2 on my 3080. Temps never go above 53c under load.
@@kylesenior not needed if you have anything that isn't a reference model. And even then. Many gpus can run very very hot.
I disagree. More like 95% of the performance :) Caveat - in regard to pure CPU only cooling. Especially when the £130 AIO is an Arctic LFII 420.
I wanna know your thoughts on the Alphacool AIO’s! They use off the shelf parts like copper radiators and DDC pumps, and they’ve got quick-disconnects for adding pumps, rads, or linking other loops together. Been considering a dual 360 setup from them and combining the loops for my next build, seems like the best of both worlds
This is the only material I'm consuming to prepare for my fluid dynamics test due in an hour, I hope Jay hasn't led me astray
How did it go?
Would have loved a side by side comparison of real world performance. I know the custom loop performs better, I've had both on the same system. But seeing that here would have driven the point of the video home.
The cost is a non-trivial difference. I was pricing out a custom loop for my current PC build, and the loop components cost not quite the same amount as the rest of the components I was purchasing for the system rebuild / update. That alone moved me to an AIO for my R9 5900, and left the GPU air cooled.
Hmm, i've had the same AIO since 2015. No issues yet. I've always used AIO's and love them. Simple, cheaper, easy to install.
yeah i had a kraken 360 that the pump died after 6 months, got a h110i 280 that ive now had for 6 and half years.
I did my first custom loop last year and likely wont do it again. It was fun and I love it but its wicked expensive. However my loop now will last me at least 5 years. After this im going back to either an aio or air.
It is indeed expensive - that being said, as long as you take care of it properly, you likely won't have to spend that much at once again. Hell, you could probably keep it for more than 5 years honestly - maybe replace a pump if it dies and coolant and ur good.
Obviously, AIO or air is way more convenient though.
@@ianc.4444 Yeah that's true. I did spend about $200 or more on the fittings and those will last likely forever. Same with my cpu block, my gpu block is another story though. Luckily I have a 3080ti so I don't plan on upgrading that for a decent while.
I just put together my first open loop a few weeks ago using your videos as sort of a guide, Jay, and I'm super happy with how it turned out. There's a lot more creative freedom in making it yourself; planning the tube bends, choosing fittings, and coolant color, etc than with an aio. I would say, if you want to cool multiple components, and you have the coin, do a full custom loop. They're so much fun to build.
I have an internal crisis just to even think about making perfekt 90 degrees bends and making sure every fitting is good and dry
@@Chaos_Dave98You can buy pre-bent tubes.
It would have been nice to see the temp difference between the AIO and the custom loop.
Temp difference is not usually enough to justify the cost difference. Most people do it for looks
He has a ton of vids on that. Custom loops are the way to go for cooler temps depending on application and what your doing with the PC.
@@stevenandrews8225 Until you get to 7950x/13900k & 4090 levels of heat, then temps will be very different. I live in a very hot and humid climate (40c summers), so air isn't an option, and AIO's aren't going to keep my HW under control (there is also a good amount of overclocking going on and the margins really start to matter at that point).
My Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 A-RGB QC Rev 4 tubes down and MX-6 my Ryzen 9 5900x idles at 21c and never goes above 57.8c either in gaming or benchmarks in Cinebench r23 mc I scored 23,200 with CO disabled CPU boost +200mhz disabled all I messed with was the TDC, EDC and PPT. Also have a kit of 4x8gb G Skill Trident Z Neo CL14 3600mhz overclocked to CL14 3800mhz and 1900mhz x3 ran multiple ram test no errors room temp is set to 68f 24/7 open side panel.
Been running custom for 10yrs now, pretty much have moved the same hardware through different builds over that time. Only thing's I've added are spare rads, tubing, and pumps ( I have a hardware hoarding problem as well - lol). Now AiO's are just simple turn key options for watercooling - I tend to suggest them for people that want an easy option to get started.
I stopped watercooling, gpu blocks cant br reused and have gotten expensive, cpu block too often cannot be reused. It's an expensive hobby. The fittings alone costing more than a dh15. These days graphics cards have great included coolers.
@@jondonnelly3 In my case I have been on the same GPU for 6yrs now, but previous models I used the sale of the previous card w/ block to fund the next one. But yes it does get expensive fast, I stick with EK's ZMT tubing due to cost and compatibility with fittings (I still have a ton of hardline fittings if I feel like going that route again). My son's rig will remain on air due to cost and maintenance, which is another thing open-loop is maintenance intensive in comparison.
@@jondonnelly3 WTF kind of bullshit are you spouting? CPU and GPU blocks absolutely can be reused unless you're being an idiot and damaging them. My Velocity block has been on like 5 different CPUs over multiple years, and I've purchased used GPU blocks that do just fine.
No one listen to this person, they're clearly clueless.
@Jon Donnelly yeah, a good way to do is wait for previous gen GPU blocks to go on sale, they can't get rid of them easily. I think heatkiller is still selling 2080 blocks. If you don't mind not being latest and greatest
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Wish there were more vids like this. Its quite helpful if you are new to building a PC on what cooler to buy. Top work Jay 👍
An air cooler is probably fine unless you are going i7 or i9 on recent intel... Though water cooling looks cool and is better to brag about
Love your channel Jay! Have to say, I’m a total amateur with PC building but recently finished my first build: i9 13900KS, EVGA Classified mobo, 64G G.Skill DDR5 6400, 3 TB Samsung 990 M2 memory, and GIGABYTE 4090 OC, Corsair 170 AIO w/140 fans/RGB, Corsair 7000D w/3 140fans, Corsair 1500W power. Your videos were invaluable. This PC booted the first time, loaded BIOS update first try, Windows 11 (your install with minimal crap and no account work around is great). Running Adobe Photoshop, Lightroom, MW2 at 250 fps and with this cooling never exceeds 60-65C if it ever gets that high, usually 38-55C. Based on my limited experience, all this hype about custom cooling vs AIOs and mega “fannage” is just that “hype” unless your planning serious overclocking (why?? “Because its there” I guess). Anyway, keep up the good work and videos and many thanks!
AIO all the way. Minimum maintenance, ease of upgradeability and close enough performance
Please do a fittings guide (in non freedom units) because I’m seriously considering it as my kraken Z73 has my 7800X3D in the high 70’s/80’s when I’m gaming (even with a -30 all core)
But none of the inner diameters of the fittings match the tubing???
Regarding the coolant type, this is also true for automobiles. When the manufacturer says to use a specific type of coolant, abide by it or you run the risk of corrosion and potentially turning your engine into a boat anchor in time.
With cars you just need to research whether they're lying or not. I messed up on my truck by mixing 2 incompatible fluids and it gummed up and killed the pump. Some of them are just proprietary for money tho
This is mainly an issue with FCA vehicles. The HOAT vs OAT confusion is a mess
If you have a German car, trust in their engineering :) There is a reason it is like that ;) Yes, they require maintenance, but maintain them as needed & specified and both you and the cars will have a nice, lovely and prosperous life ;) Computers are exactly the same way as cars -both hardware & software and besides water-cooling ;)
@@Helifax19 you got jokes 😂😂😂 German cars were good in the 90s, now there is nothing to trust except maybe the engine block and idk about that one. German cars don't live prosperous lives, Japanese cars do
@@andrewk8636 I think it depends where you are ;) In Europe is the other way around ;) German cars live a long (too long) time. I can't argue with JP cars though:) They live long no matter where they are! I vote them for the means of transportation on Mars or Luna - when/if they still do those expeditions :))
Before watching ok, AIO only cools one component, and the pump is usually weak, and it cannot be maintained or repaired, and the ASETEK licensing pumps up the price, the CPU AIOs usually come with 2-3 cables coming out of it, and need software running in the background to be controlled.
I was honestly surprised to see the ID of the AIO tubing. I knew it would be a decent bit smaller than the OD but not by that much.
I recently swapped my case to pretty much my dream case (Fractal Torrent, I'm going to be using this thing probably for the rest of my life, or until PC parts change dimensions enough that they no longer fit) and dumped my AIO in favor of an NH-D15, which, again, I will likely use until mounting systems change or CPUs become too large for it. Fans are easy to replace, I don't expect that to be a problem for my case or cooler.
Just use a Noctua NA-FC1 to generate a PWM signal for the pump. Only require SATA power, and works like a charm. Ramping speed up and down helps a lot when filling and bleeding, particularly when you got two or three D5-pumps in series.
Considering I watercool my GPU, I don't really care if an AIO has nearly the same performance. Also, I know that if I really want to I can just add additional radiators if I decide to overclock the CPU, where I know that there's a certain point that a 360 rad on an AIO simply won't keep up.
That being said, I would never recommend a custom loop to people building a PC
I've probably been very lucky, but I'm still using my 2015 Corsair H105 AIO. Yes, a couple of years ago I completely disassembled it because it was making air noise, replaced the hoses with food grade silicone hoses that will withstand from -60C to 200C which I attached to the pump and radiator with fuel hose clamps and of course changed the coolant.
I transferred it from one PC to another and am still using it.
I might buy a new one but I want to see how long it lasts. 😅
I have a h100i I just cleaned and refilled for the first time with my new build, hardly any evaporation. Running great with my 13700k in the 750d case. Had both asking with the evga supernova g2 750w going strong since 2014/2015
you can now turn it into a full custom loop.
Please fix title. i'm sure there's a lot of useful into in this video for DIY enthusiasts who are interested in the nitty gritty of assembling or taking apart their liquid coolers, but this kind of content has nothing to do with the title and description of the video. The title just says "which one is right for you", so I was expecting a basic informational video about cooler types which may help me (a non-DIY end-user) decide what would be appropriate to select for my next custom pc order. I definitely wasn't expecting an in-depth tutorial on disassembly, which I have no intention of ever doing myself. I just want to be better informed about choosing a cooler for my pc.
Also, please use time stamps so we can find the useful parts of the video. I don't care about fittings and tubing and other crazy stuff that's beyond me (which is most of this video) because I just pay for my pc to be built for me.
A more accurate title for this would be "liquid cooling for DIY enthusiasts".
Sorry for the griping, but I don't like having my time wasted by misleading titles and descriptions, and also lack of titled time stamps making me go through an entire 30min video just to realize that it had almost nothing for this noob end-user here.
Got a Strix LC II 360 AIO. It's my first liquid cooler. I have it on a 13900ks. I'm extremely impressed, this thing is amazing, but temps can be a little unstable and now I see why. I ended up installing a thermal grizzly contact frame which evened things out a bit. That being said this breakdown is actually really cool, I haven't looked into Open Loop systems because I didn't understand the need for it aside from overclocking, but this clearly shows the benefits of going the extra mile. ONE DAY!
It's just for show basically. You can buy an amazing airflow case, upgrade your GPU, CPU, RGB fans and a huge air cooler for cheaper than a custom loop. The PC will look amazing, maintenance is just cleaning it 2-3 times a year, there's no risk of anything leaking, destroying your expensive components and your performance will be better since you've invested in newer, better, more power efficient parts that require less cooling instead of pumps, fittings, radiators and tubes. Running your components under full load at 60C-70C instead of 50C-60C will not thermal throttle them at all and will not reduce their life span to the point you'll need to replace them before they're completely irrelevant. As a hobby, it is fun. But for most people, performance matters most.
Custom can be bigger, generally has more liquid so it can take away more heat without actually heating up
Fanspeed 110% + headphones.. no problem
I'm not sure more liquid = take away more heat. I think it all boils down (no pun) to what's happening at the radiator that is the place where all the cooling happens, if you move it through too fast it doesn't cool down the liquid much, if you do too slow then it doesn't pull the hotter fluid away from the cooling plate quick enough.
Kind of but not quite. More liquid does take longer to heat up IF you are applying heat to all of the liquid at once. A loop will have overall cooler liquid avg because the majority of time the liquid is not doing anything. Once the liquid is cooled leaving the radiator, it is not doing anything to help cool the system until it goes through the block. The temp of the liquid before that point means nothing useful to the heat exchange unless there is an issue with it not cooling down coming out of the radiator.
The only 2 places that temp matters is the exit of the block (showing that it picked up as much of the heat transfer as possible) and the exit of the radiator (showing that it is being cooled down as much as possible for it's next pass). An AIO that shows a huge degree difference in those 2 spots could mean that it is removing a ton more heat then a custom loop that shows the liquid is cooler overall but the difference in exit temps is much smaller.
The only thing that really matters is that you like the cooling option you put in and it the setup works as you want it to.
@@sierraecho884 The question was whether a larger amount of liquid in a custom loop would draw more heat then the smaller amount in an AIO. The answer is not necessarily because neither are passive systems of dispensation. Nothing you said disputes what I said. Your right, a cup of liquid will heat up faster then a tub. But if you apply the heat at the same point and implement the same type of cooling rotation for the point of heat contact, you negate the difference. At any point there is x amount of heat being transferred in y amount of surface area and the liquid is leaving that area to cool and come back. As long as both solutions have enough liquid, the amount of liquid being used in the loop means nothing because only the liquid in contact to the transfer surface matters. That is the liquid that will be heating up. If the heat to transfer, the surface area for the transfer and the rate of flow are equal then the temp of the important liquid will be the same when they leave the block.
If the transfer area is a segmented 1 liquid ounce then it doesn't matter how much more liquid is waiting to be heated up, whether a cup or a tubs worth. Only the 1 liquid once that has been removed from the cup or tub for the exchange does.
The amount of liquid above the minimum necessary to function means almost nothing to performance while the surface area in the block is hugely important. AIO or custom, the one with the better fin/channel contact surface area design is going to provide better cooling.
More liquid is irrelevant to final temperature, it will just extend the time until you reach heat soak. More dissipation is what takes away heat and this is down to the properties of your radiators and fans,
Why i dislike AiO's is, they have an expiration date. As soon as there is a problem, it's time to get a new one.
Air cooler heatsinks on the other hand are built for eternity, as long as they still fit current gen cpu's. A faulty fan is replaced real quick.
I take the 5 degrees more over worries when your AiO fails or leaks any day of the year. 🤔
Should probably also comment that a water loop does NOT need to be as expensive as Jay here implies. The main item you look for really is just the cpu water block or plate as that has to fit. (but you can still get cheaper options than EK, even older ones can be modded to work). But everything else you can get from local stores. I mean a water pump, go to your local pet store and pick up an Eheim pump, you can get tubing there as well (though I prefer Tygon 2475 or 3603 depending on what fluid I'm using). Barbed fittings can be found at home depot/hardware store as well as the clamps. for a radiator you can go to a local junk yard, or if you're friendly with your HVAC guy see if they are replacing any units and pull something from there. Fans can be anything as well (old computer fans, bathroom fans, or whatever). It's NOT rocket science. Biggest item is to check galvanic corrosion tables (ideally using all brass/copper for example for metals). and then some distilled water & water wetter (auto store usually). It may not be 'pretty' but it works.
This is some scrapyard wars tier bootlegging
@@Junebug89 and I'm here for it, very function over form
I used to use Eheim pumps for all my loops - they aren't as fancy and tend to look a bit more clunky, but this is what they are designed for. I had one fail after 9 years - I was quite satisfied with that sort of longevity.
@@malphadour yup, people just need to think a bit outside the box. That was 'normal' back in the 80's/90's. Companies these days all try and make people think that you NEED them (to lock you in), but physics works the same for everyone. For pumps I've even used auto fuel pumps (they're also 12v) but they are not rated for 24x7 like a fishtank pump, so they burn out faster.
AIO. Amazing cooling most of the time for much less maintenance and expense compared to water cooling. If you are hardcore overclocking, go water cooling.
This definitely made me check my AIO and my temps. Going on 5 years old and seemingly fine. Pump temps are fine though the actual CPU temps are a tad higher than I'd expect.
That's likely due to needing new thermal paste
@@Jayztwocents Thanks for the reply! That’s definitely something I need to do at this point.
@@Jayztwocents Thanks again for the reminder that this should be done. Replaced the stuff that came on the Corsair AIO with some Kryonaut and it brought the CPU temps down several degrees. It also somehow fixed the weird issue I had where the task manager would falsely report 100% usage until I reset the power settings.
I use both, but the only AIO’s I’ll use are Eisbaer by Alphacool - they’re serviceable, expandable, and important parts are copper so you can chop and change parts or reuse the rad etc anytime. Oh, and nice one on shadowbanning my tech account because I was critical on one of your videos. I don’t usually comment using this account when I’m on tech vids - I’m an editor of a site with more than 1m monthly individual visitors - my comment was harsh but absolutely true … sad… let’s see how long this lasts eh… ban this one from commenting too if you like, I wear many hats and bend like a read in the wind, you maybe should too. 👍 still love 99% of your stuff ❤️ 👍
Custom loop all the way. It’s addictive. Once you do it you can never have another build that isn’t custom
Yep. I like handling it myself with full cover waterblocks.
Liquid Metal doesn’t curode copper it just dyes it. It doesnt wear it down or anything like corrosion does.
I would love to see you look at expandable AiO (Alphacool has one) as well as how to include a GPU waterblock into it as well. I'm guessing it is able to accommodate a GPU waterblock and an extra radiator since it claims to be expandable.
The biggest problem in that, is that most of those small standard aseteck pumps integrated into the cpu block on aio’s is not powerfull enough to drive a bigger loop. They are just about big enough to drive a 360 radiator, but you are absolutely right. Would be nice to see more models using some standard fittings so you could add a gpu loop and a tap to empty and refill the loop. I don’t have enough knowledge if it’s even possible to theoretically add an extra pump and resovaire without problems, but have often wondered why they don’t make it possible to mod an aio via standard fittings, but its most likely to avoid having to foresee all the problems a modder could create to something that really only is designed to single loop system.
@@mrdali67 On Alphacool's website, they also have expandable AiO GPU waterblocks. I didn't look to closely, but would assume these would just daisy chain. I would also think you could couple their AiO with an open loop GPU. Hence why I am curious and would like to see more.
I believe it's been mentioned that the Asetek patent is/has now expired, hence the explosion of new designs at Computex
You should do another video on custom loops on how people can over spend when not needed. That’s interesting to me since how I’ve never built one.
this, there is a trade off
OMG is this the kick off of the summer water cooling vids?! excitiiing
Most aios have an aluminum radiator vs a copper one like alphacool which uses regular water cooling parts for an aio
14:00 can you control the speed of a PWM with a controller like you can with fans?
Had a custom loop for about 4 years now.
Was a fun experience building it, but for my new build next week i'll go for an 360mm AiO for the 7800x3d and air cooling for GPU and the rest of the case :)
I've had a really minimum leakage on one of the hosepipes due to it not sitting straight on the fitting after warming up and bending a bit. Luckily i saw it immediately and nothing bad happened, also cuz my liquid is UV reactive green :D
I use a 12v pond pump, keep the loop tolerance within 3 metre head pressure.
oooh no test between the two ? 😥
"Custom PC Loop Cooling for Dummies." It's a handbook found at major bookstores. The book is located in the section containing guidebooks. You will also find the "MS-DOS for Dummies" handbook there. In the past, I built a custom cooling loop system. The loop included my CPU and two RTX 2080ti GPUs. Remember when SLI was the way to go? The tube bending is the hardest part of the assembly. I made a stand for my heat gun. It keeps the gun's tip at a set distance and perpendicular to my workbench. I added a simple temperature indicator to the bending guide and placed the guide below the heat gun so I knew when the tubing was ready for bending. My heat gun has variable heat allowing me to adjust the temperature to find the heat 'sweet spot' setting for bending.
Can you use fans from other companies for an aio? Like Noctua fans?
you got a video Jay where you build the cheapest open loop and test it?
Damn 2-3yrs. Pretty sure my corsair AIO is like 10 yrs old now. One thing I've found over the years is clean stable power makes electronics last much longer.
Yeah he ruined what was a perfectly good video with that stupid statement at the end.
For the average user, I would say AIO, but for the enthusiast or someone with the funds, I would say Custom Loops are worth it.
I really would love to go with a custom loop just for the looks and it would likely be quieter than my current setup but I'm currently with an AIO. Kinda focused on my hardware itself before a custom loop since i decided to upgrade to a 3080 Ti before the 40 series launch.
Alphacool... you can change it up... My pump died and I bought another... It also came with a COPPER rad too...
It was going so well and then you came out with the AIO only lasts 2 or 3 years BS. How about you edit the vid and take that stupid statement out. They generally last a good 5 years or more.
I'm still running a Corsair H110i that has been in this system for many upgrades. Originally on a Ryzen 1700x, then a 3700x and now on a 5950x - and it still works perfectly...
I have my first RGB build (with O11d). To be honest, it was fun for only the few first day.... I just realize that PC is just a kind of tool, not decoration.
So my next build would be an AIO (just like the current one). A plain black box is good enough for me. I'd probably go with Lian Li Lancool case with no windows I think.
Or if someone release cases in beige color, I might get it for nostalgic reason.
I'm on my 10th year with my AIO, should I be worried? 😅
Aware that they can dry out it all you need to be. His statement at the end of this video was bloody stupid - lots of people run AIO's well beyond 5 years.
Do a new fittings guide please.
Air cooling is where it's at.
One is easy to install and ready to be efficient out of the box, the other is custom, looks more pretty ( subjetive ) but is harder to maintain and upgrade components.
I love the look that you get with a custom loop, but I swap parts out way too often so the convenience of an AIO is why I use them.
Since my AIO died on me last year, i thought i was through with it in terms with water cooling. But now looking into building my first custom loop. What i like about custom loops is the flexibility to accomodate other komponents. Where as AIOs are mostly for CPUs. But AIOs require less maintance compared to a Custom Loop. As for pricing i think it comes down to aestetics. But you can definitly spend more money on a custom loop.
14:10 noctua sells a little USB pwm controller you can adjust with a trim pot. Even has an on-off clicky button on it.
After building out a number of PC's. My next upgrade is most definitely hardline. While I'm sure effort for performance ratio is not on my side, it's more of the feeling of being able to maintain the system while getting that satisfaction of creating the loop and being able to say I've watercooled a PC. With how good AIOs are now, it's turned more into an enthusiasts' pursuit.
or... go aircooling, get a good and cheap cooler (Thermalright Frost Commander 140) and call it a day...
I have created, used and mantained several WC loops on my day... and i allways arrive at the same conclusion... they are expensive, pain in the ass to adjust to new parts, and getting blocks for the GPU´s are crazy expensive.
For CPU doesn´t make any sense WC... maybe... dual cpu´s... but even then... air cooling is much more durable in the long run...
For me WC only have place for GPU cooling... you can get better REAL temps and silence, that is not possible with current air coolers in gpu... this to me is the only real good application for Custom WC...
Short of aesthetics... I don't see the point of an open loop if you are only going to cool the CPU. Once you introduce the GPU into the system...open loop makes a lot more sense. Just seems like a lot of effort to go to when you can get a quality 360aio which should handle most CPUs in majority of use cases...
My first custom build i ever did, soft line tubing.
AMD FX-5sometbing with a Geforce 6800. A thermaltake kit. I loved it, but damn. I personally would never do hard line tubing.
The only thing that prevents me from going full custom loop is not the cost or the hustle building it. It's the maintenance nightmare if you wanna do a complete system clean up or if you upgrade regularly. Draining the loop, disassembling it, then assembling it all again, check for leaks, fill it up, bleed it... IT's basically a full day work, while with an AIO like the LF II it's as simple as unscrew it and screw it back on afterwards. Custom loops look sick, no match for noise either, but damn that hustle when you decide to upgrade or maintain.
AIO same proformas lower cost Loop more expandable cools more componence. I like AIO. its better on the wallet les manual work. I disagree with the end statement I have had many AIOs last past 5 years. and if you go with a reputable brand, it's just has good quality.
You said to comment before watching. AIOs are great if you only have the budget that matches your skill level. They are more or less an easy set and forget. While a custom loop is just that "custom" so you can build till you cant no more. Cooling wise they both can be poor or great. You real cant tell a difference if you are not an overclocker or you don't have a really hot chip to began with. So no your i5 non K and 5500/5600/7600 x non x doesn't need either, a decent tower cooler will serve you beyond your needs.
Very informative video. Would love to see performance comparisons on similar CPU loads. Full loops have the cool factor in their favor but how much difference is there in performance?
Most of the possible performance gains in gaming (with few exceptions) will come from GPU cooling and overclocking headroom, not from the CPU. That alone makes AIOs a bit.. useless.. unless you have a higher tier CPU that actually requires it.
For CPU only, the difference will only be overclocking headroom. If you run your CPU stock, the open loop will be a few degrees colder.
I was scratching my head about it. Air Intake Output, Air Interlock Overblock. Air Inbuilt Overchip. Please. use correct English and try not to over complicate, especially for new users...................Rant End 🙂 Love the show
I've been doing custom loops since 2010. The prices have gone stupid, the benefits are moot and my next system will be an AIO I think. AIO's just make sense now.
Custom Loop with Soft Tubing only. Never even tried an AIO as I always buy top of the range Intel CPUs. My main development system has been running custom loop for 10 years with only an occasional fluid top up. Last 10900K/3090 at launch was custom loop with waterblocks on both. Upgraded to 13900K and 4090 using the same custom loop and haven't bothered with the GPU waterblock yet, but adding a RAM waterblock right now. EK 360x60mm rad, Noctua Industrial fans and Velocity^2 CPU block. Mayhems UV Blue to avoid any particles that will eventually clog something up, usually the CPU fin plate.
Will NEVER use AIO due to lack of customizability,. lack of expasion, lack of maintenace ability, garbage mixed metal and aluminum use, and over all longer term costs due to all those reasons.
Basic maintenance on a custom loop performs betters, looks better, has more custom use and monitor options, and lower yearly cost... Why you ask? BECAUSE YOU CAN MAINTAIN IT FOR DECADE+. goodluck getting 3-4 good years out of an AIO LOL
NOW I'll go watch a vid... prove me wrong... dare you....
Just done my first custom loop after 20+ years of building computers.
COMPLETELY unnecessary - 5600X + undervolted 4070 - but fun. Thinking of adding a second radiator, for a laugh.
(Just make sure the CPU block fins are running ALONG, not ACROSS, the direction of water flow. Ask me how I know😋)
I still using a Corsair H80i (240 AIO) on a 3770K at 4GHz, built in 2013 and it's running ok. Sure I'm not playing Hogwarts Legacy or Jedi: Survivor at 4K (or at all tbh), but Cyberpunk 2077 at 1440p on a EVGA Hybrid GTX 1080 runs fine by me.... although I'm actually mostly playing Noita :)
Custom loop can be built cheap if you don’t need all the RGB and cool looking water blocks. To me with AIO in realm of $270-$360 for a great AIO and the results on tests for the last two years IMO are underwhelming to the point that I would argue a crap ton of of fans and air cooling may even be a better route. That aside I have built a custom loop with cpu and GPU for a grand total of $550
Don't remind me, the best computer cooling i had was a full subversive aquarium with custom liquid (This was even before mineral oil. Pentium III 1266S)
Just had to keep the PSU and HDD above the liquid and had once clocked it at 1806mhz stable for a hour. (14x129) But it ran best at 1452mhz (11x132).
These days it is AIO for me, mostly because custom makes me more feel like a plumber.
I'd want to do whole pc water cooling again, but these days motherboards just have so much going on and cables haven't been/felt the same since leaving the P4 era.
Im using the DeepCool Castle 360EX with 6 LL Uni Fans in a Push/Pull Configuration for my 13700K that’s Overclock to
5.6Ghz on all P-Cores
4.5Ghz on all E-Cores
Manual Voltage 1.425
Using Prime95 under full load my max temperature is 84
Can we Mod that AIO as a secondary pump? Meaning Cut of the TUBE of AIO and find the right fitting for using hard tube, The Cycle will go like this (Reservoir+Pump -> GPU-> AIO(CPU) acting as secondary pump -> Radiator ->Reservoir+Pump) End. The reason why im asking this coz i love having the NZXT Kraken screen on my CPU, but just didnt like the dangling hose. Hah!
Just got rid of my previous build (5800x/rtx3080) with custom loop and built a new rig (7800x3D/7900Xt) and used an AIO on the 7800X3D and was surprised on how cool that thing kept the CPU, under cinebench loop it never went over 67c ambient temp of 21c. Gaming it was going mostly at 62c which is pretty damn good I think. Not sure if my CPU just a golden sample and uses less voltage but to run cooler than my 5800x on custom loop is surprising.
Imma still do custom loop on my GPU tho lol
I wish i had the need for an custom loop. But my FL2 280 is already way overkill for my tiny
10700f 65W CPU even with pl1 and pl2 set to the max. I remember my first Custom loop
containing an Eheim 1046 fish tank pump @ 240V and a repurposed Scooter Radiator.
Neither are better.
My Ryzen 5700X under 100% load gets to 70c when it is 23.1c ambient with a 240 AIO in my case. Right now it is running about 40c with normal (RUclips+Web ect.) 15%~ load, and it is 26.66c ambient. This is my second AIO I've had, I know I'll need to replace it in five years, but the cost makes it worth it. I only had $1500 to build my system and needed at least a 3070, and I like how quiet the AIO is.
Hey Jay, been a fan for years and have always appreciated your input, and especially your honesty. For over 40 years I've built custom systems for myself and for clients. To me, the primary reason to build a custom system is that you are not stuck with inferior or proprietary parts, which is almost always the case with prebuilt systems from any manufacturer, including, and in some cases especially, Apple systems, which can feature elegant design, yet still be comprised of and compromised by inferior parts, always at a premium price. Although I might build a custom watercooled system for myself just to satisfy the ego, after watching this video I will never build one for a client. Forgetting the 5-6-X increase in cost for a 5-8% increase in cooling efficiency, I could never guarantee a custom watercooled system as I do my air- and AIO-cooled systems. The risk of increased support cost and catastrophic failure is just too great. I am surprised that no company has yet seen the potential for a better performing AIO utilizing superior parts and materials. Seems to me there would be a market for such a device, with a copper radiator and a higher capacity pump.
I have used a Coolermaster ML 240 since 2017 (when I, bought a 1700X) and it's still functional this day with my 5800X.
Eventually I'll move to a 7950X3D and a Corsair H170i elite Capellix (420mm)
cheeeeeeeeeeers and thanks!!!!!!!!! ik its bene a while, but with the new cpu i plan to get i want my GPU air cooled for the king tier shit, but i REALLYYYYY wnat ot get a full tower and get a super awsome corsair AIO for the 5800x3d and a 360 rad on the top of the case as exhaust for it and thne a triple fan intake and 1 rear exhaust fan. time will tell if i do it right but thne again i never stress test my stuff enough so i may never know hahahaha~ howeverrrrr NOW THAT ILL HAVE a BRAND NEW system set up i can purly game on it with strong parts and be super try hard with enthusiest tinkering and make sure i did everything right, cause ill keep my older one for casual afk gaming or browsing internet and guides and videos and THAT ALONE could be a massive benefit to have something there as back up SUPER STRONG if i give it a TLC overhaul and probablly a 5600x upgrade from its 2600 and that aloen could keep it kicking for YEASR I CANT WAIT!!!!
guess i got super lucky. my corsair 140mm...something AIO i got during the HASWELL DAYS still works great! . just got ryzen 3900x (free) ...super not looking forard to finding a good AIO for it.
small chasis, high performance = top temps... => custom loop, external radiator, everything what possible turned into watercooling... all the other solutions will be just attempts to have the problems solved... thanks to JTC and this channel, I realized that, without going into to many unnecessary spent golden coins on mid-solutions.. I have 5900x, RTX 4090, 4x M.2, sitting on x570 watercooled MSI Carbon Max... hell amount of money, but silent and calm while in max performance...