Tbh these prices is how they justify all this content in base game, I think. This game def wasn’t cheap to make, and the idea that Eddy/Lidia weren’t part of the base game sort of ignores the reality of development or corporate in general. DLC is budgeted for separately with separate timeline and resources than the base game, being worked on concurrently doesn’t mean much.
Locking replay on a paywall is scummy, plus not really interesting characters to begin with (Eddy should have been in base roster, no one plays him much and not worth the money. His trailer views speak volumes, he should have been base, Lidia is alright but we all thought Reina was the new Lidia let's be honest). I'm just not excited for DLC characters. Anna and Miguel are the only tekken original characters from 7 worth DLC I can think of. (And Ak). They could make it interesting by adding obscure characters like they did negan and noctis, like Baki or Rugal, or even adding forgotten characters like Ogre and Jinpachi (Sick!) to generate some hype.
Idk how they got away with the whole replays thing. Not letting you control your own character during the replays against a dlc character you dont own is actually insane
People keep buying their DLC, battle pass, and shop stuff that’s why. They would change if people didn’t buy in on this stuff. In this video even Boogard said he is used to buying the legacy characters. Which is the end goal for all game devs and companies at this point. Once it’s normalized the hole just gets deeper and all people will do is whine and accept it. Like always. 😂
The tekken community are infamous for defending stuff like this. Anyone who was there remembers how hard the community defended charging for frame data In tekken 7 despite it be free in fighting games since 2003.
@@Edmitsu that’s disgusting. Besides a few outliers like Tekken and Elden Ring I don’t purchase or play many games anymore since these things are so normalized. Free to play games are also lame and uncreative, obviously made to siphon as much money out their player base instead of offering a genuinely great gaming experience. Hence why most games are incomplete and complete garbage. People still participate and perpetuate this problem, making it the norm, and then complaining about it. Rinse and repeat. Ridiculous.
It makes sense though. T7 was originally an arcade release and was not developed with frame data in mind. They had to put a whole freaking team to record and include the frame data feature to the console version of the game. So it definitely counts as late DLC.
@@ikaruga24 that makes no sense. Essentially you are saying they made a game without frame data when originally the frame data of a fighting game is the anatomy of the game itself. Fighting games wouldn’t function properly with frame data’s Maybe it would make more sense if the frame data wasn’t recorded at the time so they thought might as well create a paywall
@@calleocho2107 You misunderstand me. Frame data has been with us forever. What i am saying is that T7 being an arcade game for years before going console way they did not have the frame data anywhere to just slap in the game. They had to redo the whole work to add them in and thus this work needed to be paid as expected. As you can see for T8 we don't have frame data locked behind a paywall. Nor do we have frame data locked from fighting games that were developed for consoles to start with.
In Thailand (my country) 8 usd is equal to our daily minimum wage. You do labour from 7 in the morning to 6 in the evening and get paid 8 usd which can only buy 1 goddamn T8 DLC character. Let that sink in.
Devil's advocate here, but when you hold back popular characters like Armor King to release later, it can single-handedly cause a new influx of players to buy or return to the game. It's way more difficult (and expensive) to do that with brand new characters. Not impossible though since they did it with Leeroy in T7. Akuma brought back a bunch of people to SF6. It nearly beat it's all time high on steam. There was a major balance patch too, but Akuma was the face of the marketing.
I can kind of understand this, even though I've played older fighting games and have recently jumped into newer games now, i can kind of understand why they don't include just most legacy characters, whether it be to make more room for new characters in the series or to give veteran players a reason to look forward to trying the game later. it has its ups and downs. however the replay part is pretty scummy and same with the battle pass (which i bought but only cause you only need to pay for it once and i do see my self playing T8 long term)
The last 3 seasons of tkn7 was pay to win character after the next. You ppl scare me man. Genuinely, never in my life have i seen such widespread cognitive dissonace. Its like ppl dont even think anymore, just consume.
@@KNGDDDEWhat? Everyone knows that man, what are you talking about? Yeah the dlc characters were busted as shit, isn't that what everyone was complaining about (peaked at leroy tbh)?
@@KNGDDDEI don't recall seeing people say T8 would be better from a monetization standpoint? People were just excited that the demo was good and that the game itself was going to be good. Everyone knows how scummy the dlc character practices of fighting games are, I don't see the fgc denying that.
Some characters being paid DLC multiple times in a fighting games series is inevitable, whatever the intentions may be. But Lidia being DLC (and perhaps also someone else but I won't say for those who haven't seen the datamining) while Leroy made base roster just... doesn't compute. I'm not even sure if it's as simple as 'corporate greed lol' cause otherwise Leroy himself surely would've been DLC again too. Maybe he didn't quite meet the 'knowledge check' quota? 🤷♂️
I remember when people first thought of charging $70 for games and were all like “oh its to make it so we don’t have to have all these pesky microtransactions” or whatever and yet legitimately good games like Tekken 8 and alot of other modern AAA are nickel and dimeing players more than ever, remember when Tekken 6 and Tag Tournament 2 literally gave you extra characters via update patches?
Well it's 36$ over the course of about 10 months. It's fucking fine. Stop being a penny pinching dweeb instead of tripping about it. It's literally nothing
Tekken 5 would be locking characters like Kuma, Lee, Lars, ect and having to unlock them. What Tekken had a free update that let you unlock brand new DLC characters? You had to pay full price for Tekken 5 DR just to get 2 (kinda 3) new characters. Imagine having to buy a new version of Tekken 8 at new price just to play Lydia and Eddie. Even then, Tekken 5 DRs only two new characters were unlocked by default iirc. This is not the same thing, dude. If anything it used to be worse. You had to buy a whole different console and game just to play as Lili. You are just asking for the main roster to have characters locked. That's what the old games did, they did not add new characters.
As someone who was an avid gamer up until the end of high school (around 2008) then stopped & came back into gaming this year.. i have been nothing short of appalled by the new "pay to play" mechanics most modern games have. A HUGE part of what made me love video games when i was younger was beating the stories, side quests, mini games, etc. & seeing what i could unlock. I understand a lot can change in 15 years, but to find out things i considered to be essential video game elements are all money based now & beating games hardly grants you anything truly blew my mind. I honestly feel bad for you younger gamers who never got to experience the grind-to-unlock era.
I usually pay whenever PlayStation has a holiday sale but it also depends on the character/Fighter . But I don’t like how Tekken is putting OG fighters as DLC , it should be the newer ones.
Paying for characters and cosmetics doesn't bother me, *however*, locking replays and forcing you to buy something to practice against is grimy. Not everyone has $8 or $40 to spare just to be able to learn how to block a character's moves.
I've seen people say it before but who would buy Shaheen? Putting popular characters behind a paywall is most profitable which is what matters to most companies.
@@Boogardwym she is important to the story. Now i agree she should have been base roster BUT if they had a roadmap to make a story dlc with these characters than it makes sense. Im lidia biased tho lol so
DB fighterz was £3.99 per character which I found more acceptable. Which is odd because DBF and Tekken are both published by Bandai Namco. I’ve always been a very casual tekken player so would never spend that much.
Honestly, ever since the time when microtransaction prices started balloning (after the pandemic, I think), Namco couldn't wait and started jumping on the bandwagon of prices like these. The guys who make decisions like this aren't the devs, but the publishers, like, have you seen the crap that Capcom's CEO said once?
See in the old days, companies like Capcom and SNK would just re-release game over and over with new characters, a little color change here and there, and if they're feeling brave, a few new texts that change nothing but hint of a story. How many versions of SF2 did they release? How many years did SNK release KOF before they had to stop? The DLC way of doing things might not look better, be enough people know how rough shit got and how better this seems to them. So people will take it. DON'T stop calling things out though, keep them honest.
I agree it's scummy but it makes sense. It's safer to sell legacy characters with established popularity rather than new characters since you won’t know beforehand how successful they will turn out. This is also why legacy characters usually outnumber the new characters by a pretty wide margin in a fighting game roster. It’s extremely risky to have a fighting game roster where the new characters outnumber the legacy characters with established popularity. Just ask SCV and SF3.
Out of all the current popular fighting games, SF6 at least gives you the option to test out a DLC character by letting your avatar learn the character’s style and abilities. Kinda like how shopping for clothes works. You should be able to try it on and decide if you want to commit to this. Unfortunately, I don’t think modern fighting games will let people test out DLC even though
It's even worse IMO because even though the game is $70, it's also full of microtransactions now, which were ment to help fund the continuous development of the game, yet they still charge money for characters. I'm not saying they shouldn't make a profit but this is obscene. The ROI on those microtransactions is insane, they're basically a money printer, and should be more than enough for them to swim in money and develop new stuff.
They are testing how much they can get away with without outrage... Like when in T7 they tried to charge for frame data, this time they go a bit differently - just locking frame data of a certain characters in dlc access... Don't ever believe if someone says that big company cares about the product's fanbase. All they care about is profit, they are not customers' friends and we should never defend them and normalise any shady doings
i think that characters that are very important in the lore of the game like Eddie, Anna, Armor King, Lei Wulong, Miguel or Bruce really deserved to be in base roster and not be a DLC or possibly DLC
But you don't really have to buy any of it. Even characters that are locked behind a paywall you don't need them to fight normally the old fashioned way and develop tech to beat them. Yes, it's going to take you much longer but it's still as viable a tactic as it ever has been.
@@ikaruga24 My main problem is they want do BOTH. I think microtransactions are worse then character DLCs. But if they want to make money through microtransactions at the very least they sould release the characters for free
@@ikaruga24 Yeah, but people that have the dlc and can lab dlc characters will be at huge advantage, it's essentially p2w in a 70$, nothing justifies that.
It pretty much took 4-5 years to get Tekken 7 with ALL the DLC included for a low price. Im tempted to go and wait another 5 years to get the complete edition to Tekken 8
tekken 7, the best selling tekken in tekken history. tekken 8, cash shop, dlc, battlepass helloo???? why would they need more money they already funded all of it in tekken 7 + extra.
I bought the deluxe edition because I thought that I would get each character at a reduced price like before. Imagine my disgust when I found out (because I didn't read the fine print properly) that the only benefit was getting them days "early", even though you really get them on time and everybody else gets them late. I bought the pass because I play a lot and I want to be able to practice against all characters. Season 1 has been the most disappointing in any fighting game. 75 % are non-characters. They didn't have any story in Tekken 7 because they didn't do story for DLC. Nobody knows them and their motives. You had to go online to read to get their story which is pathetic. It's on the same level as Palpatine's speech only being in Fortnite instead of the actual film. Safe to say: I will not be buying the season pass again unless they reveal what I'm buying ahead of time.
You should also address that they locked some of the cosmetics stuff to the battlepass which was previously can be unlocked with in-game currency instead of an actual money
DLC characters are a fact of life for fighting games now and it's been that way for nearing a decade. I hate it, but I've begrudgingly accepted it. At least with character releases broken up into "seasons", it means the game will be supported for longer and (assumably) get more content as time goes on. At least as far as Tekken 8 is concerned, I'm pretty happy with the things they're adding for season one. New stages, new modes, and an expansion on the story mode is all things I'm looking forward to. That said, DLC characters should not be 8 bucks, and the whole business with the replays is downright stupid. What pisses me off most is the unveil of the dailies system and game currency 2-3 months after the game sold, because they KNEW if they bundled that shit into the game at the start, people would've had a problem with it. I'm not going to say I wouldn't have bought the game, but I'd have been much more hesitant.
I think the pricing sticks out too because on top of being a full price game and DLC characters for eight bucks that you not only need if you want to play them, but also to effectively learn how to beat them the game also has a battlepass with a premium track and microtransactions. Independent of that I think if DLC characters could be played in Practice Mode and Replay it might actually boost sales as people get to actually demo the character before they have to buy it and it would feel less scummy.
To be honest after the balancing issues the withholding announcing fight passes till after launch and reviews and the dlc nonsense. This is the last Tekken game I think I will buy.. they are no better than NRS at this point
Agreed, this will probably be the last fighting game I buy. Wanted to go the competitive route, but the latest fighting games are all micros and cheese for beginners to win.
We're all speculating with Eddy was the first DLC, but personally I think Eddy didn't make it into base roster because they didn't have time or resources to finish him in time for launch. Also the fact that the 2nd battlepass hasn't dropped and the 1st one was as terrible as it was for rewards I'm even more convinced the upper management at Bandai Namco forced the T8 devs to include the pass. Also there is absolutely no excuse for them to lock DLCs from practice mode or replay mode, almost all fighting games are guilty of the former but the replay mode is just extra spit in our face.
I’ll add one other point of contention, you can download ghost data from players playing DLC characters and practice that way as well. I don’t have Eddy but one of my buddies does and I’ve been able to play against his ghost. I know it’s not perfect but that’s another way to get playing time against DLC characters. Again like in my previous reply, I haven’t bought any DLC or costumes or coins for Tekken 8 myself and I won’t until I feel it’s worth my money
Selling old dlc as new ones is insane. Ppl rlly should Not buy Everything in the store either. Its already Greedy af to sell clothes that were in t7 as dlc. Gotta admit I bought jins t4 hoodie Cuz Its my fav fit in all of tekken. But still it felt sour. Im kinda afraid that the First few seasons will Just be characters from t7 that should have been Just base roster ngl. Ppl Love Anna, Marduk, AK so bamco knows which charas they can milk. Also I dont get HOW ppl can STILL IGNORE OR DEFEND That Lydia and Nina Look way too similar. Atleast in Game imo Avatar skins Are stupid too, Even More those emotes that can be used up… like Why? Also Thats a Personal complain But Why dont Game developers in basically any Game let us choose to keep our hood up? One aerial combo and Its Fine and u Gotta Wait 5 rounds to See it again😂 Even assassins creed took several Games to give us that decision LOL
They both look different enough. Honestly, change the hair and outfit on any female character, it gets hard to tell who it is instantly. This is more a problem with the female faces that you're noticing. They don't look bad, far from it, but they don't have distinct facial features that make them unique from one another. I can't think of one female Tekken character that has sharp facial expressions or even something simple like a slightly bigger nose. There are very subtle differences, but when compared to the differences in male faces it becomes way more apparent how similar all the women can look.
In street fighter characters like M. Bison and Akuma came packaged free in the games for over 30 years until now. Tekken 8 makes even less sense with very specific characters being kept as dlc when they were free in past games. Makes no sense why Leroy gets to be free when he was dlc in the past but Lydia has to be dlc again even though she was in the exact same position. Fighting games are going in a very greedy direction. Stop letting your hype overlook very obvious greed guys. I've been buying older fighting games recently and Its gotten to the point where I feel shocked whenever I see character select screens with a lot of characters and 0 locks.
Great video! I do disagree that review bombing won't change anything though... Thinking about Helldivers 2, comparatively the T8 review bombing at the battle pass release was not hard enough and there were too many defenders of it amongst content creators
i really wanna learn takken but with the combo list its like a book. smash bros you have like 5 main moves, injustice 2 you have 5 moves too and you basically just learn them and build on them. in tekken its like woah where do i start with the combo list, never mind better off figuring out moves and memorizing them by heart.
Replay thing was/is my gripe yet since MTX in a paid game DLC characters should be free then or with accessible pricing because they've said themselves MTX is used to support the game even though its malpracticed
part of it is seeing new moves, how older characters work in new mechanics, also redoing the mocap for eddy is cool but you are right, it is a stiff ask. all this on top of a full price game with microtransactions AND a battle pass...
Probably one of the many reasons why it's player count is not so high. Everybody wanted to see characters that didn't show up in T7 like Bruce Irvin, Baek Doo San, Orge and etc.
It makes sense from a marketing perspective to make 1st batch dlc a bit meh, you want to save super hype or popular characters for the next DLC round to make people buy it, and plus a bunch of people already bought ultimate editions or whatever.
While I see your issue with reselling the DLC characters, Tekken legacy is huge and there are only so many characters they can throw in the base roster. Who would you for instance remove for Lidia cause you can't just ask for more characters.
A few of points How many hours do you get out of a char? When you buy qty, costs go down. Same with digital content. When you spend 70-80us they can then give you more as they’ve gotten a bigger commitment and there’s more to work with. If you’re only gonna spend $4 then a percentage on that is smaller, and some costs to the company will be flat rate no matter what you produce. It’s about economy of scale. Comparitively yeh, looks bad, but costs go up the more incremental you do updates, which is needed for customer retention these days. Also, this point may be boring by now but we live in a capitalist society, so they’ll do what makes money, and it’s not a human right to have cheap games. Also, I run a company that sells stuff and I have customers abuse me over high prices when I’m making 10-20%. But I cut them slack because I know they don’t know the amount of costs that go into running that business. The costs to Bandai Namco may be way more than you think. Rant over, love your content though and I love Tekken, more Jin tips/tricks videos please hehe Peace!
From the backlash they knew folks would buy eddy gordo, But dlc is to expensive for characters while games are raising in price as if we dont have the worst economy atm in the us.
I just cant believe that a game in 2024 that has an entry price of $70 AND a mf battle pass on top of it would not give the DLC characters for free, even Call of Duty which is one of the most greedy game franchises today at least gives the new maps and guns free to everyone. This is indeed disgusting.
I am not quite in agreement of everything you say here. Fighting games are just a different breed of video game and after it was agreed upon that it would be a live update service the costs, just like everything else, went up. A 32 character actual fighting game (leave Smash out of this, it's not the same) that releases at standard price with all the other additions in all honesty it was just undersold. If you want to learn the match up but don't want to fork in the money to get that character then you will have to learn the old fashioned way by fighting lots against him. Also, there is a limit of characters that can be added at any one time, it's delusional thinking that the developer will just add all 50+ legacy characters, then add new faces to the roster AND keep a live service with patches, balance changes etc. for the same original £60. I heard people say 'but Tag 2 did it and also did the character customisation of that game'. Yeah well that game was a one and done and didn't need to be supported ever again after and don't have to maintain rollback either nor did it have to be built from the ground up with a completely new engine. I don't think you understand what kind of complexity a game like Tekken requires and what kind of support is needed in order to maintain this level of polish. It's not going to be a 1:1 ratio. New characters added also means all other characters get to be tampered in some way to accommodate the inclusion of this new character in the existing system. Changes to other characters also must be changed across the board for every other character too in what way they can now behave and strategize. You can't compare directly with the original release and say that each character comes at £4 by comparison. Yes, there is no denying that the DLCs are expensive for what they seem to be on the surface. Each new addition truly makes a wave that turns into a tsunami of changes that have to be done to the game so considering what is being expected for a high profile fighting game nowdays i don't consider it illogical or greedy that they would ask for £8. Could they ask for £5? Probably. For you as the player £3 is not really anything special but £3 from each player to the company is a significant amount.
Look at the prices in Brazil the game: R$269.90, game deluxe: R$382.50, game ultimate: R$424.90, character: R$30.90, year 1 pass: R$154.90 90% of the population receive less than R$3500.00 per month
I actually don't mind *that much* having to pay 8 bucks for a character I really like (Can't wait for Lidia), but making me completely unable to practice against a character I have no interest in playing (Eddie) unless I PAY for it is what's really soiling my knickers. It's an actual free win for my opponent if they play a character I have not paid extra for. Absolutely insane.
This is why im excited for 2XKO. You know for a fact riot is not gonna do this. They will make you pay with your house for some crazy skins but atleast i can play the character. I really really hope riot doesn't follow this trend and changes the way these devs handle dlc and skins. Give me my characters for free and add whatever skin you want. I'll buy it if the game is good...
Since day one I had a problem with tekken 8. Since Tekken 6 this game has always the same aesthetics. Then they remaked just some stages and made stages that I have seen in thousand other fighting games. Why they don’t make something unique like Tekken 3 or Tekken 4 anymore? I mean it’s not that hard to make the game a bit beautiful
Just happy to know that there's another person out there who didn't buy into this scam. I know a few people both doing well and broke, who didn't see any problems with this and just go ahead without thinking. Anyway, whether we're right or wrong, Namco will win cause there's people that will buy no matter how much we bash on it.
While I do get your points, unfortunately this won't change anytime soon. Fighting games are infamous with dlcs, some like Smash did a great job and others like DoA (GODDAMN) do an awful job. Yes seeing Linda as dlc does suck but they pretty much had to rework her into the Tekken 8 design. Tekken 7 and 8 are drastically different in everything besides the characters movesets (for the most part). But i do agree with the whole locking replays of dlc characters behind a paywall is scummy, for example as great as Smash was it followed suit
The prices are definitely a bit high and the locking replays behind a pay wall is definitely scummy/P2W-ish, but personally i think the roster would have been too bloated if too many legacy characters were added on release, and the game already struggles with some wonky balance due to the new system mechanics, especially on the new characters (looking at you Victor). I think it was smarter to hold back characters like Eddy and Lidia at least, who were considered pretty weak at the end of T7, to hopefully give them the TLC needed to keep up with the current roster and system changes while also making sure they aren't wildly overtuned like Lidia was on release in T7
Its corporate greed. I bet the developer would love to publish a dlc content at a lower price or even free (maybe), but the developer doesnt have the power, they're being control by the corporate. :( Good example like the helldiver 2 drama
There are rumors we will get Free-DLC character for Tekken 8 in EVO. Maybe Alex, Roger, Bruce who knows. Bandai-Namco seriously at least needs a trick like that now with all the backlash and if they give at least 1 character for free every year it's still very little. Like Heihachi, Ogre, True Ogre, Kazumi that's like 4 characters for 4 years. Use the story and incorporate that oh Tekken 8 Ogre is just a flashback or you fight with Young Heihachi vs Ogre. etc..
For work, I found myself having to collaborate with companies involved in video game distribution, and what I discovered, looking at the numbers, is that the classic $70 is no longer remotely sufficient to cover the cost of production and distribution of a video game, especially if it's a game that requires paying for servers, employees, marketing, etc., for years. Most of these companies are therefore forced to sell the base game at a loss or near it, then start making a profit with the sale of DLCs (the argument 70:32=2.18$ doesn't hold up because initially the game is sold at a loss). Companies are thus faced with a choice: sell the base game at a significantly higher price, lower the initial quality (both of these choices would be disastrous because they would drastically reduce the number of sales), or try to maximize revenues from DLCs. In essence, if we want a well-made game that lasts for years, given today's costs in creating video games, we have no choice but to accept that the game can only exist because the company planned for certain revenues from DLCs during the initial calculations, even before starting the project. I still agree with you that not allowing the use of replays for DLC characters is a colossal scam.
Is it a good sign that they didnt immediately follow up with a new fight pass ? The DLCs defintely seem overpriced. But you are right, the real stupid thing is the new replay feature of controlling your character doesnt work against them if you didnt buy them. Very anti-consumer move. The few bucks from that choice aint worth the good will they are burning.
I can understand how this can extremely troublesome for a lot of people, but for me I don’t mind the prices since I play so much, and also with the way things are going, everything is just going to keep increasing in price. The games I play all have DLCs which costs around £10, which I hear a lot of people’s dislikes.
Respect for not shilling for Tekken, Bamco, Harada. You care enough about the game to want to it to be better. Unlike clowns who just, "don't like it? Don't play it." Imagine if everyone who gave valid criticism to a game they liked just took that advice. What would happen? The game would die. So again, thanks for keeping it real and calling out the bs..
great video with very compelling arguments in it. two thumbs up! The DLC content should be way better. NO way should Lidia DLC when she was amongst the last released chars in T7.She should have been in the base game.
Bandai Namco has terrible monetization plans, a lot of their other games are massive commercial failures so they have to recoup costs by monetizing the games that are somewhat successful online games like Tekken 8, i bet you that they sure want to monetize Elden Ring to the tits but couldn't for a game like that. And speaking on Tekken 8, it has fewer players than Tekken 7 had at the same time, at least on PC...
1 character isn't worth 8$? Are you out of your mind? Do you not see the quality of the animations? The fact that they come in with 4 costumes? The fact that they have 130+ moves?
Thank you bro, i genuinely considered payinf $36 just to play lidia early, i dont even like eddy or the two leaked characters left. I only ever want lidia and eliza anyway. Nice vid, great points.
I think part of the reason DLC characters are so expensive is that their target audience is inherently small. The only people in the market are those who already own Tekken 8. Only a fraction of those are still playing the game and only a fraction of those will actually buy the DLC. There is just no way of achieving big sales volume so you compensate by driving the price up instead. I'll still contend that Namco have gone too far in that regard, and not being able to lab and take over replays is seriously an insult to the fans of their franchise. The clueless suits in management probably don't understand what that means, though. Besides, they'll be at a different better paid job in different industry in a year, so why would they care...
I'm really happy with this first DLC pack. Fahkumram is my favorite Tekken character. Muay Thai is such a goated fighting style and he was my main in T7 so I need him ASAP. Marduk was an absolute menace as well and really fun to play. Lidia has a super fun style that's actually realistic traditional Karate. Eddy is a blast to play. For me it's a 10/10 I'm really hoping the leaks are true.
I've made complaints about the pricing as well but tbf £8 is a large coffee and a couple snacks. My issue is that base game is £70 but has ads, microtransactions AND DLC on top of that. If it were just a £60/£50 game with £8 DLC, that's fine. Paywalling replays is insane.
I'm gonna push this a bit further, and say that I think Eddy is made to lack visual clarity on purpose with his stance transitions and mids looking like lows, so that it's especially hard to learn him without labbing him (which you need to pay to do).
First street fighter also sold Akuma and Ed again which is pretty terrible. Also looking at the fact how the story content that they advertise was in the 1.0 version makes me think that season 1 was probably supposed to be in the base roster at one point. In the case of Lidia it also pisses me off how all over 2021 Murray and the Tekken team hyped her up and was like "oh she will be a big part of the story! Oh we had to do karate again because we're running out of Fighting Styles!" My last point is that they refuse to show the content that they're selling so you essentially pay for a 40€ gift box whose contents you don't know. I personally want Lei back but most people tell me he will either skip 8 and or be added super late so this just ruins all the hype for potential new characters.
Eddy is cool. Weird how he wasn’t in the base roster, but it was a pretty good size on release so okay. People like Lidia, but I can’t say she brings tons of hype since she felt like a joke character by T7’s end. I wanna know where all the characters we actually want are: Miguel, Katarina, Anna, Josie, Bob… I’m sure we’ll get a few of them eventually but right now the hype is just non-existent for me. I feel like the real DLC is bad MTXs and mediocre outfit customizations.
In this dlc era the reselling of certain characters is bound to happen b/c of the practice in them gauging what characters the general public would buy more. That’s just whatever and not a big deal in my opinion. Example: I love shaheen and raven but most ppl wouldn’t be interested in buying them as dlc b/c they only appeal to certain kind of ppl/enthusiast. Hence why they’re in the baste roster & not dlc But to me the most egregious thing here is not being able to lab them properly unless you buy them. That shit is beyond whack
Great video! It does feel like a vicious cycle with the DLC - my favourite character is Anna who I bought in Tekken 7, and will probably have to buy her again in Tekken 8! Its especially iffy when we don't know (aside from leaks) who we might get in the season pass so we might end up buy the pass and not even get a character we like!
They should give option to buy dlc character with Tekken coins... Ofc we buy coins with real money 💰 .... It's not fair... Also they should add extra tk coins like fortnite give with battlepass
To be honest, what really bothers me is the characters. They all existed before, so it’s nothing new. To me it really feels like they simply cut these characters from the original roster simply to sell them again for an extra buck. Taking away content for extra money is ridiculous. Give us Yujiro Hamna, Baki or an actually original character.
I believe not being able to lab against a character in replays is criminal and HOPEFULLY they’ll fix that because I believe the devs genuinely want their player base to grow stronger as fighting game players and to minimize frustration in the learning process. Voice your complaint enough and I know they’ll listen. I honestly kinda understand and expected the increase in price for characters due to graphics increase, new mechanics to each character, new animations, etc. (this is not to say I support the price being what it is). I think we should’ve expected the price to increase but hopefully in the future they’ll lower these prices. On top of that I’m hoping that they do sales somewhat frequently for the dlc.
What do you guys think about the DLC in this game?
Good
Tbh these prices is how they justify all this content in base game, I think. This game def wasn’t cheap to make, and the idea that Eddy/Lidia weren’t part of the base game sort of ignores the reality of development or corporate in general. DLC is budgeted for separately with separate timeline and resources than the base game, being worked on concurrently doesn’t mean much.
Locking replay on a paywall is scummy, plus not really interesting characters to begin with (Eddy should have been in base roster, no one plays him much and not worth the money. His trailer views speak volumes, he should have been base, Lidia is alright but we all thought Reina was the new Lidia let's be honest). I'm just not excited for DLC characters. Anna and Miguel are the only tekken original characters from 7 worth DLC I can think of. (And Ak). They could make it interesting by adding obscure characters like they did negan and noctis, like Baki or Rugal, or even adding forgotten characters like Ogre and Jinpachi (Sick!) to generate some hype.
I dont think they should keep the surprise if its just gonna be the same as leak its just gonna deceive the players and hurt them more each reveal
It’s the scummiest yet, which is a damn shame considering how stellar the game is.
Idk how they got away with the whole replays thing. Not letting you control your own character during the replays against a dlc character you dont own is actually insane
I highly doubt they are ever going to change it either
People keep buying their DLC, battle pass, and shop stuff that’s why. They would change if people didn’t buy in on this stuff. In this video even Boogard said he is used to buying the legacy characters. Which is the end goal for all game devs and companies at this point. Once it’s normalized the hole just gets deeper and all people will do is whine and accept it. Like always. 😂
The tekken community are infamous for defending stuff like this. Anyone who was there remembers how hard the community defended charging for frame data In tekken 7 despite it be free in fighting games since 2003.
@@Edmitsu that’s disgusting. Besides a few outliers like Tekken and Elden Ring I don’t purchase or play many games anymore since these things are so normalized. Free to play games are also lame and uncreative, obviously made to siphon as much money out their player base instead of offering a genuinely great gaming experience. Hence why most games are incomplete and complete garbage. People still participate and perpetuate this problem, making it the norm, and then complaining about it. Rinse and repeat. Ridiculous.
Why can we wight them then lmao. Its basically pay to win
Don’t forget this is the same Bandai Namco that put frame data behind a paywall in Tekken 7 so idk if this should be that much of a surprise 😆
Definitely not a surprise lol
JESUS, I never heard that, who would even support this company after doing something like that
It makes sense though. T7 was originally an arcade release and was not developed with frame data in mind. They had to put a whole freaking team to record and include the frame data feature to the console version of the game. So it definitely counts as late DLC.
@@ikaruga24 that makes no sense. Essentially you are saying they made a game without frame data when originally the frame data of a fighting game is the anatomy of the game itself. Fighting games wouldn’t function properly with frame data’s
Maybe it would make more sense if the frame data wasn’t recorded at the time so they thought might as well create a paywall
@@calleocho2107 You misunderstand me. Frame data has been with us forever. What i am saying is that T7 being an arcade game for years before going console way they did not have the frame data anywhere to just slap in the game. They had to redo the whole work to add them in and thus this work needed to be paid as expected.
As you can see for T8 we don't have frame data locked behind a paywall. Nor do we have frame data locked from fighting games that were developed for consoles to start with.
In Thailand (my country)
8 usd is equal to our daily minimum wage.
You do labour from 7 in the morning to 6 in the evening and get paid 8 usd which can only buy 1 goddamn T8 DLC character.
Let that sink in.
Just pirate it at that point
Become a ladyboy you will make 1k usd a week
How do you even afford the base game at £70 then... o.o That's 9 full days with your ENTIRE pay going towards affording the game... That's super rough
จริงค่ะ ค่าแรงต่ำมาก บ้านอื่นทำไม่กี่ชั่วโมงซื้อเกมได้แล้ว แต่ของเราวันนึงซื้อได้แค่ DLC ตัวเดียว
@@warzahdofficial1299 จริงคับ ค่าแรงต่ำมาก เท่าเดิมมา 20-30 ปีแล้ว จะว่าไปไม่ค่อยเห็นคนไทยเล่นเกมนี้เลยคับ อยากหาเพื่อนเล่นมาก :(
Devil's advocate here, but when you hold back popular characters like Armor King to release later, it can single-handedly cause a new influx of players to buy or return to the game. It's way more difficult (and expensive) to do that with brand new characters. Not impossible though since they did it with Leeroy in T7.
Akuma brought back a bunch of people to SF6. It nearly beat it's all time high on steam. There was a major balance patch too, but Akuma was the face of the marketing.
I can kind of understand this, even though I've played older fighting games and have recently jumped into newer games now, i can kind of understand why they don't include just most legacy characters, whether it be to make more room for new characters in the series or to give veteran players a reason to look forward to trying the game later. it has its ups and downs. however the replay part is pretty scummy and same with the battle pass (which i bought but only cause you only need to pay for it once and i do see my self playing T8 long term)
The last 3 seasons of tkn7 was pay to win character after the next.
You ppl scare me man. Genuinely, never in my life have i seen such widespread cognitive dissonace.
Its like ppl dont even think anymore, just consume.
@@KNGDDDEWhat? Everyone knows that man, what are you talking about? Yeah the dlc characters were busted as shit, isn't that what everyone was complaining about (peaked at leroy tbh)?
@askiia8713 yes, the characters were busted.
So if they sold you busted dlc and bs frame data pay walls, wat made anyone think tkn8 would be better?
@@KNGDDDEI don't recall seeing people say T8 would be better from a monetization standpoint? People were just excited that the demo was good and that the game itself was going to be good. Everyone knows how scummy the dlc character practices of fighting games are, I don't see the fgc denying that.
Also reselling Lidia only 3 years after we bought her is pretty crazy lol
Yeah more people need to be talking about that
Yeah she should've been a regular roster character. They should be charging for special characters.
Just like Marduk or Fahnkumram .... @@darrellwilliams1714
Some characters being paid DLC multiple times in a fighting games series is inevitable, whatever the intentions may be.
But Lidia being DLC (and perhaps also someone else but I won't say for those who haven't seen the datamining) while Leroy made base roster just... doesn't compute. I'm not even sure if it's as simple as 'corporate greed lol' cause otherwise Leroy himself surely would've been DLC again too. Maybe he didn't quite meet the 'knowledge check' quota? 🤷♂️
@@Boogardwell but another character would have been dlc instead, t8 has given us a large roster already
I remember when people first thought of charging $70 for games and were all like “oh its to make it so we don’t have to have all these pesky microtransactions” or whatever and yet legitimately good games like Tekken 8 and alot of other modern AAA are nickel and dimeing players more than ever, remember when Tekken 6 and Tag Tournament 2 literally gave you extra characters via update patches?
Yeah I haven't seen anyone talk about the price, 40$ for 4 characters is so much it's crazy that these prices are normalized
It's only going to get more and more expensive unfortunately
Atleast with Mk1 KP u get 5 main fighters and 4 kameos nd that’s 40 dollars 💀
Well it's 36$ over the course of about 10 months. It's fucking fine. Stop being a penny pinching dweeb instead of tripping about it. It's literally nothing
Smash was $5.99 and that came with the character, stage/music.
Lmao that’s what the Elden ring dlc cost💀
I miss the time when you can unlock characters based on achievements within the game.
This is a far cry from what he used to have on Tekken 5!
Agreed
Tekken 5 would be locking characters like Kuma, Lee, Lars, ect and having to unlock them. What Tekken had a free update that let you unlock brand new DLC characters? You had to pay full price for Tekken 5 DR just to get 2 (kinda 3) new characters. Imagine having to buy a new version of Tekken 8 at new price just to play Lydia and Eddie. Even then, Tekken 5 DRs only two new characters were unlocked by default iirc. This is not the same thing, dude. If anything it used to be worse. You had to buy a whole different console and game just to play as Lili. You are just asking for the main roster to have characters locked. That's what the old games did, they did not add new characters.
A firm believer that DLCs should be like guest characters for tekken rather than the legacy characters.
For real been sold the same roster again is insulting... marque and fahk next after lidia dlc1 is just so extremely bad.
Nah, bad take
As someone who was an avid gamer up until the end of high school (around 2008) then stopped & came back into gaming this year.. i have been nothing short of appalled by the new "pay to play" mechanics most modern games have. A HUGE part of what made me love video games when i was younger was beating the stories, side quests, mini games, etc. & seeing what i could unlock.
I understand a lot can change in 15 years, but to find out things i considered to be essential video game elements are all money based now & beating games hardly grants you anything truly blew my mind. I honestly feel bad for you younger gamers who never got to experience the grind-to-unlock era.
I usually pay whenever PlayStation has a holiday sale but it also depends on the character/Fighter . But I don’t like how Tekken is putting OG fighters as DLC , it should be the newer ones.
Paying for characters and cosmetics doesn't bother me, *however*, locking replays and forcing you to buy something to practice against is grimy. Not everyone has $8 or $40 to spare just to be able to learn how to block a character's moves.
It's scummy but you can still play the old fashioned way and just learn by fighting.
@@ikaruga24L
I've seen people say it before but who would buy Shaheen? Putting popular characters behind a paywall is most profitable which is what matters to most companies.
Yeah, still scummy though. Fuck the Devs
I'm sure plenty of rich middle eastern or Pakistani players would have paid for saheen.
thats when you rework to make him look desirable like they did Armor king in 7 (even though he was already hype)
@@makisbizarreadventure4669 he's also been in Tekken since Tekken 1 so nostalgia sells
Shaheen doesn't have a point In base roaster. Does nothing in the story. Has no personality and took Miguel's spot.
I’m excited for Lidia didn’t care for Eddy but I know there’s Eddy fans that love him
Same I didn't bother with eddy but I am looking forward to Lidia even though I think reselling her so soon is scummy
@@Boogard Hope shes on the base roster in the next game
@@Boogardwym she is important to the story. Now i agree she should have been base roster BUT if they had a roadmap to make a story dlc with these characters than it makes sense. Im lidia biased tho lol so
Unrooolie😂
@@agungsatria8593 lol besides him … he almost cried when Eddy was revealed
reselling lidia as fast as they did was insane.
I completely agree, especially with the 2nd point. Why tf can't I even just control my own non-DLC character?!?!
Makes labbing impossible it's so frustrating
DB fighterz was £3.99 per character which I found more acceptable. Which is odd because DBF and Tekken are both published by Bandai Namco. I’ve always been a very casual tekken player so would never spend that much.
I mean almost half the roster of DB fighterz is DLC
4 pound is like what 7 dollars it’s almost the same price, I just wait for them put it on sale
Honestly, ever since the time when microtransaction prices started balloning (after the pandemic, I think), Namco couldn't wait and started jumping on the bandwagon of prices like these. The guys who make decisions like this aren't the devs, but the publishers, like, have you seen the crap that Capcom's CEO said once?
a DBZ fighter is way easier to make and also there was way more.
@@pranavjain8774 tekken 7 chars were £8.99 which was a shame because I was keen to buy Noctis on release
See in the old days, companies like Capcom and SNK would just re-release game over and over with new characters, a little color change here and there, and if they're feeling brave, a few new texts that change nothing but hint of a story.
How many versions of SF2 did they release?
How many years did SNK release KOF before they had to stop?
The DLC way of doing things might not look better, be enough people know how rough shit got and how better this seems to them.
So people will take it.
DON'T stop calling things out though, keep them honest.
Remember when Tekken fans were mocking MK and SF fans for this? Good times.
I agree it's scummy but it makes sense.
It's safer to sell legacy characters with established popularity rather than new characters since you won’t know beforehand how successful they will turn out.
This is also why legacy characters usually outnumber the new characters by a pretty wide margin in a fighting game roster. It’s extremely risky to have a fighting game roster where the new characters outnumber the legacy characters with established popularity. Just ask SCV and SF3.
Its literally what Capcom does every title with Akuma. They know Akuma makes money.
This is why Lidia should have been in the base game.
@@ashyman16 and heres the problem when saying this: ypu wete not the one calling the shots
then why did capcom sold aki as brand new dlc then
Wasn't tekken 3 mostly new gen?
Bruce,Wang,baek,jun,kazuya,law,amour king were like missing. Out of 21 characters I think 12 were new gen...
Out of all the current popular fighting games, SF6 at least gives you the option to test out a DLC character by letting your avatar learn the character’s style and abilities. Kinda like how shopping for clothes works. You should be able to try it on and decide if you want to commit to this.
Unfortunately, I don’t think modern fighting games will let people test out DLC even though
Been playing Tekken from the beginning but I'm out. I'm happier just not playing any more than I would be supporting this.
Fahkumram could be next if they announced him. He’s still new to Tekken since they introduced him in Tekken 7 4 years ago.
Someone leaked all the season 1 Farukman and Marduk are next.... said leaks were spot on with you 1st 2.
@@coffeebean_tamerwhere?
It's even worse IMO because even though the game is $70, it's also full of microtransactions now, which were ment to help fund the continuous development of the game, yet they still charge money for characters. I'm not saying they shouldn't make a profit but this is obscene. The ROI on those microtransactions is insane, they're basically a money printer, and should be more than enough for them to swim in money and develop new stuff.
They are testing how much they can get away with without outrage... Like when in T7 they tried to charge for frame data, this time they go a bit differently - just locking frame data of a certain characters in dlc access... Don't ever believe if someone says that big company cares about the product's fanbase. All they care about is profit, they are not customers' friends and we should never defend them and normalise any shady doings
i think that characters that are very important in the lore of the game like Eddie, Anna, Armor King, Lei Wulong, Miguel or Bruce really deserved to be in base roster and not be a DLC or possibly DLC
I actually wasn't aware that replays with DLC characters won't work unless you have the character.
That's disgusting.
the grossed part is they want to milk their players with microtransactions AND character DLCs
But you don't really have to buy any of it. Even characters that are locked behind a paywall you don't need them to fight normally the old fashioned way and develop tech to beat them. Yes, it's going to take you much longer but it's still as viable a tactic as it ever has been.
@@ikaruga24
My main problem is they want do BOTH. I think microtransactions are worse then character DLCs. But if they want to make money through microtransactions at the very least they sould release the characters for free
@@ikaruga24 Yeah, but people that have the dlc and can lab dlc characters will be at huge advantage, it's essentially p2w in a 70$, nothing justifies that.
@@ikaruga24you DO have to buy the dlc characters if you want to beat them. You can't lab against them or use replays unless you buy them.
So, wrong.
@@Filterdeez They are not blocked when you are fighting against them online. You can learn that way.
It pretty much took 4-5 years to get Tekken 7 with ALL the DLC included for a low price. Im tempted to go and wait another 5 years to get the complete edition to Tekken 8
tekken 7, the best selling tekken in tekken history.
tekken 8, cash shop, dlc, battlepass helloo???? why would they need more money they already funded all of it in tekken 7 + extra.
I bought the deluxe edition because I thought that I would get each character at a reduced price like before. Imagine my disgust when I found out (because I didn't read the fine print properly) that the only benefit was getting them days "early", even though you really get them on time and everybody else gets them late. I bought the pass because I play a lot and I want to be able to practice against all characters. Season 1 has been the most disappointing in any fighting game. 75 % are non-characters. They didn't have any story in Tekken 7 because they didn't do story for DLC. Nobody knows them and their motives. You had to go online to read to get their story which is pathetic. It's on the same level as Palpatine's speech only being in Fortnite instead of the actual film. Safe to say: I will not be buying the season pass again unless they reveal what I'm buying ahead of time.
You should also address that they locked some of the cosmetics stuff to the battlepass which was previously can be unlocked with in-game currency instead of an actual money
DLC characters are a fact of life for fighting games now and it's been that way for nearing a decade. I hate it, but I've begrudgingly accepted it. At least with character releases broken up into "seasons", it means the game will be supported for longer and (assumably) get more content as time goes on. At least as far as Tekken 8 is concerned, I'm pretty happy with the things they're adding for season one. New stages, new modes, and an expansion on the story mode is all things I'm looking forward to. That said, DLC characters should not be 8 bucks, and the whole business with the replays is downright stupid.
What pisses me off most is the unveil of the dailies system and game currency 2-3 months after the game sold, because they KNEW if they bundled that shit into the game at the start, people would've had a problem with it. I'm not going to say I wouldn't have bought the game, but I'd have been much more hesitant.
I think the pricing sticks out too because on top of being a full price game and DLC characters for eight bucks that you not only need if you want to play them, but also to effectively learn how to beat them the game also has a battlepass with a premium track and microtransactions.
Independent of that I think if DLC characters could be played in Practice Mode and Replay it might actually boost sales as people get to actually demo the character before they have to buy it and it would feel less scummy.
It's like they're doing their best to get away with the most they can before it inevitably blows in their faces...
To be honest after the balancing issues the withholding announcing fight passes till after launch and reviews and the dlc nonsense. This is the last Tekken game I think I will buy.. they are no better than NRS at this point
Agreed, this will probably be the last fighting game I buy. Wanted to go the competitive route, but the latest fighting games are all micros and cheese for beginners to win.
We're all speculating with Eddy was the first DLC, but personally I think Eddy didn't make it into base roster because they didn't have time or resources to finish him in time for launch. Also the fact that the 2nd battlepass hasn't dropped and the 1st one was as terrible as it was for rewards I'm even more convinced the upper management at Bandai Namco forced the T8 devs to include the pass. Also there is absolutely no excuse for them to lock DLCs from practice mode or replay mode, almost all fighting games are guilty of the former but the replay mode is just extra spit in our face.
I’ll add one other point of contention, you can download ghost data from players playing DLC characters and practice that way as well. I don’t have Eddy but one of my buddies does and I’ve been able to play against his ghost. I know it’s not perfect but that’s another way to get playing time against DLC characters.
Again like in my previous reply, I haven’t bought any DLC or costumes or coins for Tekken 8 myself and I won’t until I feel it’s worth my money
Selling old dlc as new ones is insane. Ppl rlly should Not buy Everything in the store either. Its already Greedy af to sell clothes that were in t7 as dlc. Gotta admit I bought jins t4 hoodie Cuz Its my fav fit in all of tekken. But still it felt sour. Im kinda afraid that the First few seasons will Just be characters from t7 that should have been Just base roster ngl. Ppl Love Anna, Marduk, AK so bamco knows which charas they can milk. Also I dont get HOW ppl can STILL IGNORE OR DEFEND That Lydia and Nina Look way too similar. Atleast in Game imo
Avatar skins Are stupid too, Even More those emotes that can be used up… like Why?
Also Thats a Personal complain But Why dont Game developers in basically any Game let us choose to keep our hood up? One aerial combo and Its Fine and u Gotta Wait 5 rounds to See it again😂 Even assassins creed took several Games to give us that decision LOL
Bro phenotype of a blonde white woman from Ireland and Poland wouldn’t be drastically different.
@@doublejacketjimmy391 lydia and Nina were really different in t7 tbh. The hair, the Face Features… idk.
They both look different enough. Honestly, change the hair and outfit on any female character, it gets hard to tell who it is instantly. This is more a problem with the female faces that you're noticing. They don't look bad, far from it, but they don't have distinct facial features that make them unique from one another. I can't think of one female Tekken character that has sharp facial expressions or even something simple like a slightly bigger nose. There are very subtle differences, but when compared to the differences in male faces it becomes way more apparent how similar all the women can look.
In street fighter characters like M. Bison and Akuma came packaged free in the games for over 30 years until now.
Tekken 8 makes even less sense with very specific characters being kept as dlc when they were free in past games. Makes no sense why Leroy gets to be free when he was dlc in the past but Lydia has to be dlc again even though she was in the exact same position.
Fighting games are going in a very greedy direction. Stop letting your hype overlook very obvious greed guys.
I've been buying older fighting games recently and Its gotten to the point where I feel shocked whenever I see character select screens with a lot of characters and 0 locks.
a friend of mine summed it up well.
"I don't rematch dlc characters because it is literally pay to win since i can't lab against them at all"
Paying for an OG character like Eddie just disrespectful.
Great video! I do disagree that review bombing won't change anything though... Thinking about Helldivers 2, comparatively the T8 review bombing at the battle pass release was not hard enough and there were too many defenders of it amongst content creators
i really wanna learn takken but with the combo list its like a book. smash bros you have like 5 main moves, injustice 2 you have 5 moves too and you basically just learn them and build on them. in tekken its like woah where do i start with the combo list, never mind better off figuring out moves and memorizing them by heart.
I’d like a video of your favorite characters in the series. As far as design, storyline, or fighting style.
Replay thing was/is my gripe yet since MTX in a paid game DLC characters should be free then or with accessible pricing because they've said themselves MTX is used to support the game even though its malpracticed
part of it is seeing new moves, how older characters work in new mechanics, also redoing the mocap for eddy is cool but you are right, it is a stiff ask. all this on top of a full price game with microtransactions AND a battle pass...
Probably one of the many reasons why it's player count is not so high. Everybody wanted to see characters that didn't show up in T7 like Bruce Irvin, Baek Doo San, Orge and etc.
They’re all dead.
@@doublejacketjimmy391 No they're not.
It makes sense from a marketing perspective to make 1st batch dlc a bit meh, you want to save super hype or popular characters for the next DLC round to make people buy it, and plus a bunch of people already bought ultimate editions or whatever.
While I see your issue with reselling the DLC characters, Tekken legacy is huge and there are only so many characters they can throw in the base roster.
Who would you for instance remove for Lidia cause you can't just ask for more characters.
A few of points
How many hours do you get out of a char?
When you buy qty, costs go down. Same with digital content. When you spend 70-80us they can then give you more as they’ve gotten a bigger commitment and there’s more to work with.
If you’re only gonna spend $4 then a percentage on that is smaller, and some costs to the company will be flat rate no matter what you produce. It’s about economy of scale.
Comparitively yeh, looks bad, but costs go up the more incremental you do updates, which is needed for customer retention these days.
Also, this point may be boring by now but we live in a capitalist society, so they’ll do what makes money, and it’s not a human right to have cheap games.
Also, I run a company that sells stuff and I have customers abuse me over high prices when I’m making 10-20%. But I cut them slack because I know they don’t know the amount of costs that go into running that business. The costs to Bandai Namco may be way more than you think.
Rant over, love your content though and I love Tekken, more Jin tips/tricks videos please hehe
Peace!
From the backlash they knew folks would buy eddy gordo, But dlc is to expensive for characters while games are raising in price as if we dont have the worst economy atm in the us.
Not just US either, and some countries don't even get regional pricing.
Absolute garbage. Imagine paying again for Lidia and paying for eddy that was a base character in the previous title.
I just cant believe that a game in 2024 that has an entry price of $70 AND a mf battle pass on top of it would not give the DLC characters for free, even Call of Duty which is one of the most greedy game franchises today at least gives the new maps and guns free to everyone. This is indeed disgusting.
I am not quite in agreement of everything you say here. Fighting games are just a different breed of video game and after it was agreed upon that it would be a live update service the costs, just like everything else, went up.
A 32 character actual fighting game (leave Smash out of this, it's not the same) that releases at standard price with all the other additions in all honesty it was just undersold. If you want to learn the match up but don't want to fork in the money to get that character then you will have to learn the old fashioned way by fighting lots against him.
Also, there is a limit of characters that can be added at any one time, it's delusional thinking that the developer will just add all 50+ legacy characters, then add new faces to the roster AND keep a live service with patches, balance changes etc. for the same original £60. I heard people say 'but Tag 2 did it and also did the character customisation of that game'. Yeah well that game was a one and done and didn't need to be supported ever again after and don't have to maintain rollback either nor did it have to be built from the ground up with a completely new engine.
I don't think you understand what kind of complexity a game like Tekken requires and what kind of support is needed in order to maintain this level of polish. It's not going to be a 1:1 ratio. New characters added also means all other characters get to be tampered in some way to accommodate the inclusion of this new character in the existing system. Changes to other characters also must be changed across the board for every other character too in what way they can now behave and strategize. You can't compare directly with the original release and say that each character comes at £4 by comparison.
Yes, there is no denying that the DLCs are expensive for what they seem to be on the surface. Each new addition truly makes a wave that turns into a tsunami of changes that have to be done to the game so considering what is being expected for a high profile fighting game nowdays i don't consider it illogical or greedy that they would ask for £8. Could they ask for £5? Probably. For you as the player £3 is not really anything special but £3 from each player to the company is a significant amount.
Look at the prices in Brazil
the game: R$269.90, game deluxe: R$382.50, game ultimate: R$424.90, character: R$30.90, year 1 pass: R$154.90
90% of the population receive less than R$3500.00 per month
I actually don't mind *that much* having to pay 8 bucks for a character I really like (Can't wait for Lidia), but making me completely unable to practice against a character I have no interest in playing (Eddie) unless I PAY for it is what's really soiling my knickers. It's an actual free win for my opponent if they play a character I have not paid extra for.
Absolutely insane.
This is why im excited for 2XKO. You know for a fact riot is not gonna do this. They will make you pay with your house for some crazy skins but atleast i can play the character. I really really hope riot doesn't follow this trend and changes the way these devs handle dlc and skins. Give me my characters for free and add whatever skin you want. I'll buy it if the game is good...
Since day one I had a problem with tekken 8. Since Tekken 6 this game has always the same aesthetics. Then they remaked just some stages and made stages that I have seen in thousand other fighting games. Why they don’t make something unique like Tekken 3 or Tekken 4 anymore? I mean it’s not that hard to make the game a bit beautiful
Just happy to know that there's another person out there who didn't buy into this scam. I know a few people both doing well and broke, who didn't see any problems with this and just go ahead without thinking. Anyway, whether we're right or wrong, Namco will win cause there's people that will buy no matter how much we bash on it.
While I do get your points, unfortunately this won't change anytime soon. Fighting games are infamous with dlcs, some like Smash did a great job and others like DoA (GODDAMN) do an awful job.
Yes seeing Linda as dlc does suck but they pretty much had to rework her into the Tekken 8 design. Tekken 7 and 8 are drastically different in everything besides the characters movesets (for the most part). But i do agree with the whole locking replays of dlc characters behind a paywall is scummy, for example as great as Smash was it followed suit
Eddy came out on tekken 3, and they making us pay for him……. Let that sink in.
The prices are definitely a bit high and the locking replays behind a pay wall is definitely scummy/P2W-ish, but personally i think the roster would have been too bloated if too many legacy characters were added on release, and the game already struggles with some wonky balance due to the new system mechanics, especially on the new characters (looking at you Victor). I think it was smarter to hold back characters like Eddy and Lidia at least, who were considered pretty weak at the end of T7, to hopefully give them the TLC needed to keep up with the current roster and system changes while also making sure they aren't wildly overtuned like Lidia was on release in T7
Its corporate greed. I bet the developer would love to publish a dlc content at a lower price or even free (maybe), but the developer doesnt have the power, they're being control by the corporate. :(
Good example like the helldiver 2 drama
I am LIVID that sf6 isn't criticized more for the fight coin dlc bs
There are rumors we will get Free-DLC character for Tekken 8 in EVO. Maybe Alex, Roger, Bruce who knows.
Bandai-Namco seriously at least needs a trick like that now with all the backlash and if they give at least 1 character for free every year it's still very little. Like Heihachi, Ogre, True Ogre, Kazumi that's like 4 characters for 4 years.
Use the story and incorporate that oh Tekken 8 Ogre is just a flashback or you fight with Young Heihachi vs Ogre. etc..
For work, I found myself having to collaborate with companies involved in video game distribution, and what I discovered, looking at the numbers, is that the classic $70 is no longer remotely sufficient to cover the cost of production and distribution of a video game, especially if it's a game that requires paying for servers, employees, marketing, etc., for years. Most of these companies are therefore forced to sell the base game at a loss or near it, then start making a profit with the sale of DLCs (the argument 70:32=2.18$ doesn't hold up because initially the game is sold at a loss).
Companies are thus faced with a choice: sell the base game at a significantly higher price, lower the initial quality (both of these choices would be disastrous because they would drastically reduce the number of sales), or try to maximize revenues from DLCs.
In essence, if we want a well-made game that lasts for years, given today's costs in creating video games, we have no choice but to accept that the game can only exist because the company planned for certain revenues from DLCs during the initial calculations, even before starting the project.
I still agree with you that not allowing the use of replays for DLC characters is a colossal scam.
Is it a good sign that they didnt immediately follow up with a new fight pass ?
The DLCs defintely seem overpriced.
But you are right, the real stupid thing is the new replay feature of controlling your character doesnt work against them if you didnt buy them.
Very anti-consumer move.
The few bucks from that choice aint worth the good will they are burning.
I can understand how this can extremely troublesome for a lot of people, but for me I don’t mind the prices since I play so much, and also with the way things are going, everything is just going to keep increasing in price. The games I play all have DLCs which costs around £10, which I hear a lot of people’s dislikes.
Respect for not shilling for Tekken, Bamco, Harada. You care enough about the game to want to it to be better. Unlike clowns who just, "don't like it? Don't play it." Imagine if everyone who gave valid criticism to a game they liked just took that advice. What would happen? The game would die. So again, thanks for keeping it real and calling out the bs..
Im just gonna wait till the seasons are on sale
i said the exact same thing when i saw the leaks. why would they resell characters i can play in tekken 7 and ppl be completely ok with this
great video with very compelling arguments in it. two thumbs up! The DLC content should be way better. NO way should Lidia DLC when she was amongst the last released chars in T7.She should have been in the base game.
lol TFH DLC characters were only 5$ a piece that's literally the fairest price for DLC charactersI've ever seen other than free
Bandai Namco has terrible monetization plans, a lot of their other games are massive commercial failures so they have to recoup costs by monetizing the games that are somewhat successful online games like Tekken 8, i bet you that they sure want to monetize Elden Ring to the tits but couldn't for a game like that. And speaking on Tekken 8, it has fewer players than Tekken 7 had at the same time, at least on PC...
I would pay for another Negan not gonna lie , but Eddy in Lydia ? No that’s scamming right here
why were lidya and eddy not in the main roster? because who the fuck would buy shaheen as a dlc character
1 character isn't worth 8$? Are you out of your mind? Do you not see the quality of the animations? The fact that they come in with 4 costumes? The fact that they have 130+ moves?
Thank you bro, i genuinely considered payinf $36 just to play lidia early, i dont even like eddy or the two leaked characters left. I only ever want lidia and eliza anyway.
Nice vid, great points.
I think part of the reason DLC characters are so expensive is that their target audience is inherently small. The only people in the market are those who already own Tekken 8. Only a fraction of those are still playing the game and only a fraction of those will actually buy the DLC. There is just no way of achieving big sales volume so you compensate by driving the price up instead. I'll still contend that Namco have gone too far in that regard, and not being able to lab and take over replays is seriously an insult to the fans of their franchise. The clueless suits in management probably don't understand what that means, though. Besides, they'll be at a different better paid job in different industry in a year, so why would they care...
I was tryna tell someone, pros are basically forced to buy dlc
I'm really happy with this first DLC pack. Fahkumram is my favorite Tekken character. Muay Thai is such a goated fighting style and he was my main in T7 so I need him ASAP. Marduk was an absolute menace as well and really fun to play. Lidia has a super fun style that's actually realistic traditional Karate. Eddy is a blast to play. For me it's a 10/10 I'm really hoping the leaks are true.
People bought Tekken 7 to save the franchise basically, and this is what we get, lol. Just make a good game like Tekken 7 was bamco, that's enough.
I've made complaints about the pricing as well but tbf £8 is a large coffee and a couple snacks. My issue is that base game is £70 but has ads, microtransactions AND DLC on top of that. If it were just a £60/£50 game with £8 DLC, that's fine. Paywalling replays is insane.
It's one of the major reasons why I quit buying fighting games altogether. Reduced to nothing but MTX farming simulators.
there won’t be another wave of DLC characters? that’s a shame
I'm gonna push this a bit further, and say that I think Eddy is made to lack visual clarity on purpose with his stance transitions and mids looking like lows, so that it's especially hard to learn him without labbing him (which you need to pay to do).
First street fighter also sold Akuma and Ed again which is pretty terrible.
Also looking at the fact how the story content that they advertise was in the 1.0 version makes me think that season 1 was probably supposed to be in the base roster at one point.
In the case of Lidia it also pisses me off how all over 2021 Murray and the Tekken team hyped her up and was like "oh she will be a big part of the story! Oh we had to do karate again because we're running out of Fighting Styles!"
My last point is that they refuse to show the content that they're selling so you essentially pay for a 40€ gift box whose contents you don't know. I personally want Lei back but most people tell me he will either skip 8 and or be added super late so this just ruins all the hype for potential new characters.
While the elites spend money like no tomorrow, I wait for the complete edition.
Lidia shoulda been in the base game. Eddy too, wtf is the point of reselling a mf thats been in every Tekken
Eddy is cool. Weird how he wasn’t in the base roster, but it was a pretty good size on release so okay. People like Lidia, but I can’t say she brings tons of hype since she felt like a joke character by T7’s end.
I wanna know where all the characters we actually want are: Miguel, Katarina, Anna, Josie, Bob… I’m sure we’ll get a few of them eventually but right now the hype is just non-existent for me. I feel like the real DLC is bad MTXs and mediocre outfit customizations.
In this dlc era the reselling of certain characters is bound to happen b/c of the practice in them gauging what characters the general public would buy more.
That’s just whatever and not a big deal in my opinion. Example: I love shaheen and raven but most ppl wouldn’t be interested in buying them as dlc b/c they only appeal to certain kind of ppl/enthusiast. Hence why they’re in the baste roster & not dlc
But to me the most egregious thing here is not being able to lab them properly unless you buy them. That shit is beyond whack
Guys tekken 9 leaks online the title is in Japanese if translated it will be called tekken 9 rebirth gameplay shows kazuya against heihachi
You're absolutely right, coach. DLC means additional content we don't know about, not some characters we knew for 20 years
Great video! It does feel like a vicious cycle with the DLC - my favourite character is Anna who I bought in Tekken 7, and will probably have to buy her again in Tekken 8! Its especially iffy when we don't know (aside from leaks) who we might get in the season pass so we might end up buy the pass and not even get a character we like!
Anna was a base roster character in past Tekken games and she was better in Tekken 6 than 7 due to her additional winposes 7 version doesn't have
Can't wait to see Terry and Mai revealed as the next DLC characters.
They should give option to buy dlc character with Tekken coins... Ofc we buy coins with real money 💰 .... It's not fair... Also they should add extra tk coins like fortnite give with battlepass
To be honest, what really bothers me is the characters.
They all existed before, so it’s nothing new.
To me it really feels like they simply cut these characters from the original roster simply to sell them again for an extra buck.
Taking away content for extra money is ridiculous.
Give us Yujiro Hamna, Baki or an actually original character.
I believe not being able to lab against a character in replays is criminal and HOPEFULLY they’ll fix that because I believe the devs genuinely want their player base to grow stronger as fighting game players and to minimize frustration in the learning process. Voice your complaint enough and I know they’ll listen. I honestly kinda understand and expected the increase in price for characters due to graphics increase, new mechanics to each character, new animations, etc. (this is not to say I support the price being what it is). I think we should’ve expected the price to increase but hopefully in the future they’ll lower these prices. On top of that I’m hoping that they do sales somewhat frequently for the dlc.