Why The Finals ISN'T Competing with Top FPS Games (Yet...)
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- Apologies for the bad audio. I recorded this 4 times and am now deciding to just put this out there instead of sitting on it.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
Context
00:26 - Community feedback
01:05 - FPS Comparison
01:48 - Player-base Stats
02:15 - Challenges
03:06 - Dopamine from games
Designs
04:53 - The concept
07:12 - Ranked
07:46 - Next Steps
Thanks to THiiXY for his video, which you can find here: • What's happening with ...
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This is a great video Ollie! Thank you for putting together an awesome concept of ideas and bring my thoughts into life with really nice details! Once I have enough free time to continue with my news series, I'll be sure to shout you out here and show off what you've created. Much love!
You even put the slides in etc, damn, you're awesome! Please keep making more videos!
Thanks man, looking forward to working more on this.
Thiixy. We know you have a greater reach. But would it be possible to send this video to embak?. Besides that the idea is fantastic also the UI concepts that ollie made seems to me awesome to just propose an idea. The full video should be seen by some dev of embark because you two are very good at giving voice and ideas that the community is always asking for. I take this opportunity to thank you for having so much passion and interest in proposing. I hope embark sees it.
Tried sending you a FR on Discord but you have it disabled. You have a message from me in case to wanna sync
@@TheOllieJT If you refer to me. Well, I always have it enabled, maybe it was not my user to which you sent FR. I have sent a message by Eggmail suggesting your video. I hope they see it.
Holly fuck bro Embark needs to hire you. I love the idea of The Finals working more like a sport like NFL, NBA, NHL, ect... Contestants fighting for their sponsor like it's the "Tournament of Houses" in Harry Potter
I think what we're all liking here is a sense of progression that feels bigger than one player.
@@TheOllieJTMuch like how Helldivers 2 each player feels like they make an impact. It plays on the comp and co-op inhibitions of the player base. I LOVE this idea
Yes! I'm also thinking about ForHonor which had a campaign map that would change as players who represented each of the 3 factions won or lost events.
MAN, THE IDEA, GODAMNNNNNNN I LOVE IT BROSKIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS WHOHOOOOOOOOO
Hire this man! This is so much fun!
BRO WTF THATS AMAZING MAN
Thank you! Looking forward to doing more like this.
@@TheOllieJT peak
This needs more visibility. That concept is perfect!
Thank you, feel free to share 😉
5:11 Damn, not gonna lie, that UI looks sick! That is some great editing and visuals.
Thanks man, appreciate the support!
They even look into small constant dopamine deposits, much like other game devs. The most noticeable Is the sounds you hear in game, it's all been selected to appeal to our ears. You can't help but love the sounds of coins, upbeat music ect just all of the little things
A fun idea: the more items of a brand your character has on the more sponsor points they get.
Bro i literally searched mid video "how to get sponsored in the finals" and then just realized its a concept. Tooo awesome to be just a concept. Embark should hire you!!
LOVE THIS.
I would love embark to start rolling out sponsors with the mechanics of a "get noticed" set of quests which when completed give you the opportunity to sign on with them, immediately getting a small cosmetic item that reflects the brand (like a sticker or wristband). After that you get regular quests which progress you towards more gear from the sponsor.
The quest types would differ from sponsor to sponsor and require you to be using a brand item (like a sticker on your weapon, a hat with their logo, or a brand emote at match intros). If a sponsor cares more about their athletes winning than their individual performance, their progression track will contain more quests around winning different types of matches. Sponsors could value support, objectives, eliminations, a specific casual mode, competitive, or just exposure (completing matches with multiple of their items equipped).
I love the idea of letting different character slots sign with different sponsors to allow for progression on multiple different tracks.
I like keeping the battle pass being sponsored by one or two of the big corporations and having that be considered the exclusive deal with the finals.
Yes! I'm seeing a theme here with comments on this video where each sponsor wants different things from you. Like Ospuze wanting damage done in close range, or Holtow wanting damage blocked with gadgets.
Really appreciate you taking the time to share what you liked most and adding details on top. I'm continuing this project from a new angle in the next video.
HOLY SHIT YOU COOKED
This was just the appetizer bro!
The ui in the video is so much better than the current one
THiiXY brought me in here, w video btw
holy! that concept and ui mockups are amazing!!!
Thank you, means a lot :)
This is a concept that really need to be featured on The Finals 👏
Thank you man, I appreciate the support!
This is great! I love that The Finals is centered around you as a player and not a known contestant or legendary character with a backstory. It is you, the player. "Can YOU reach The Finals" is a very personal take on a FPS game and allowing us to customize our characters with the finest details really makes everyone unique. I love your take on allowing more players to shine through in-game sponsorships. There are currently 32 sponsors in The Finals Lore. That means there could be 32 individual players that could be featured throughout the game who make the leaderboards. That would be awesome.
Yeah! Embark spoke about this early on... about how they didn't want to build a typical hero shooter, they wanted you to create the hero.
Ideas like this just take it a step further.
Currently they have 2 sponsors per season sponsoring the game... and I think that's a good idea. Too many at once will be a little hard to follow and build rivalries.
That said, I'm looking forward to them introducing more of the sponsors into the game, like Tristan+ which I've seen in maps already.
insane how this could revolutionise how progression works in games, really impressive concepts i would love to see implemented eventually.
this idea almost feels limitless. really amazing :D
Thank you!
I can tell you put a lot of work into this video! Awesome job dude, I love the ideas and I really hope Embark implements sponsors into the game
Thank you for the support, means a lot. I'm cooking up some more ideas.
5:20 just that screen editing shows how committed you are. Dope af
Yeah, I also enjoyed a basic menu redesign - which I didn't even talk about in the video. Thanks for noticing.
Please make more of this, you have some really interesting ideas and im excited to hear of these.
Thank you!, there's more to come...
This is so cool, you and THiiXY have some really neat ideas. This concept sounds more exciting than anything we've had so far. Embark needs to deliver this.
I appreciate the support - and for what it's worth, I think Embark are heading in a great direction. They need to find the balance between fast updates, and slowing things down to make sure they are moving in the right direction with limited resources.
We have the luxury of creating designs like this without any of the constraints they have.
I'm going to keep making stuff like this though to signal what we as a community want more of less of... and I really appreciate the support from people like you showing what they agree or disagree with.
All this game is right now is potential, and you have smashed this point! Love the effort you put into the graphics for clarity
Props to the dev for laying such solid groundwork. I'm sure they're going to continue capitalizing on that! :)
I thought about concepts like this for the game since I played it in the beta, having modes like sponsor battles where the sponsor with the highest recognition gives the players some cosmetics or even better, letting the players on the winning side decide the content, For example, we play with a specific set of clothes and in the end decide what we want to keep. leaving the rest of the set for other challenges or future sponsor battles.
I think the finals have the potential of Helldivers 2 in terms of keeping the playerbase engaged with these types of events, and I would love to see how well it does, but it is true that making this type of content would require a lot of time to create skins, challenges... Besides, with this system I get the feeling that the battle pass would remain in a secondary position, something that would make fewer people decide to buy it, which nexon would not like
I love this Idea! I hope the devs see this.
Thanks for the support!
These are some amazing ideas and amazing UI work. Wanting to add to your video: I feel like there should be voicelines taunting the opposing sponsorship when you kill an enemy. It'll add character and actually feel like you're a part of it all.
I love that. I believe the voice-lines are already AI generated... so would be nice to have a little more personalization.
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@@TheOllieJT The commentators (Scotty and June) are AI generated, while contestant voicelines and grunts are all human VA's.
First of all, Great video. i love the visuals and how the UI looks. its CLEAN!!!
I wanted to share my two sents about the idea of sponsors progression, its an insanely exiting idea that pulled me into the finals when i first saw the trailer and played the beta for the first time. it reminded me of something like the hunger games where everyone is watching you fight on the big screen. and the sponsors can send you something extra to help out, and this gave me two ideas inspired by the hunger games, bare with me for a sec...
1-Choosing a sponsor and completing a challenge will get you rewards, like a cosmetic item or an emote. but what if the challenge was not held for you only and was implemented for 1 winner the whole game. for example, you get a reward if you get the most cash boxes stolen in the game, or most healing done or revives. then you see on the billboards your name all over the map being currently on top, and if you stay on top till the end you win that reward.
2- The commentators were an element that i really enjoyed when i started, but we can also fit them in this sponsor progression system in a direct way. There was alot of talk about embark using AI to voice the commentators and that something that can be used to the finals advantage in a narative way and gameplay too. so if the commentators can comment unique voice lines for whats happening right now and point out how a player from the "high notes" for example is currently the highest reviving player in the game and how the sponsors want to give him a shout out for example, or announce how a player from the "Retros" has the highest eliminations right now and the sponsors wanna put a bounty for an extra cash and make him a target for a while. it will definitely make the games more unique and alive.
I definitely like the idea of being the center of attention of all those spectators when playing, but currently i fell like that idea has alot of room to grow. and videos like this where the community can just throw around some ideas and the devs actually listening and engaging back with big spoons of content, is just excited and refreshing.
These are AMAZING ideas. I really hope Embark sees this and implements this, this would make the game just that much better
I don't comment very often here on RUclips but your work is really impressive and will make for a great immersive experience for the playerbase. Using the sponsors as some kind of motivation is something I've only seen in NSS (pretty old mobile game i used to play). I hope Embark sees this video and try to implement it ASAP! Although it may be difficult in the beginning.
They've already done so much of the work building lore around the sponsors - I can't imagine they're not going to use them more... but yeah. I hope it's more integrated with the gameplay.
Thanks for the support. Means a lot!
I'm late to this video, but these are some great ideas man. I hope Embark sees these videos the community is putting out. Thanks for your hard work trying to make this game better
Hella underated dude, keep up the amazing videos, would love to see more on the Finals 👏👏👏
Thank you! I have another one planned.
Wow, that was awesome, for a second I thought I was looking at a road map for next season.
We can dream!
I trust Embark to continue supporting this game well. I just want to help the community get excited about more stuff to show Embark what kinda stuff we want to see more or less of.
I love these ideas. I think they could really add a new level of imersion into the game we all enjoy. I hope embark sees the time and effort you've thrown into this video and takes your contributions into account!
I hope so too! Thanks for the support.
This is awesome, dude. Love how you have fleshed out on the ideas that are beginning to surface in the community. I would love to see the sponsorship idea flesh out.
Thanks man, the ideas for my next project are just starting to take shape. Sponsors are a part of it, but they aren't the focus like in this one.
Hi.!
Sorry, I completely missed your video, great stuff.! I can assure you that sponsors will play a bigger role in future seasons, that has been our plan and dream since we created the pitch for the game...
Thank you for supporting THE FINALS and I hope to see you in the arena.!
Love the idea!!! That would be super engaging!!
Great video, Ollie! I had to stop by and subscribe as a designer myself. I feel like something like this is the direction Embark should go in. It gives a sense of progression which I feel the game currently lacks.
Thanks Epitomy! I had a cringe moment when I put this video out realizing other designers would see it... I rushed several of the mockups - especially the arena banners - in order to save time and get this online sooner.
Glad you enjoyed it!
They should take notes from Hell Divers. Even tho this is a PVP game, I truly believe global objectives (like the community events, but expanded, and visible in-game) would do wonders for this game. I love this game and its development team. Audio issues aside, great video too, well done.
Thank you!
TBH - I haven't played hell divers just yet. Though I understand the concept of global missions. That's what the weekly events were touching on with the consequence being sponsor branding throughout the arena.
Let me know if you have any ideas that could improve on this. Would love to refine it further.
They did that with the move the power shift platform around earth challenge a couple weeks ago. Its not the same tho because there was no change to the mode. The community just had to play power shift enough to unlock the boombox.
Incredible job! Love your ideas!
Thank you ChayChay!
I said this to them in January about adding sponsor career path etc I agree 100% this would be fun and add more end game stuff for accounts
They have already but so much work into the lore around this... so I wouldn't be surprised if they already have their own ideas for stuff like this at some point.
Very stylized and well edited video with some great ideas man!
Almost like a story mode of sorts, but in a multiplayer game, nice.
Thanks - That's what I was going for. It's hard in a multiplayer mode.
Great stuff. Good ideas that could really take the game further.
I think so too! Thanks.
Some really excellent content mate! well done!
I came back because of the new gyro options, im all in with the finals now.
Wow you are talented. I love the ideas here. Keep it up!
Thank you! 😊
this idea is absolutely brilliant. embark needs to hear this.
Absolutely brilliant. I'd love for the community and embark to flesh this idea out a lot more. Awesome work Ollie. Hoping you get the reach you deserve!
That's the plan! I just want to pool our ideas so they can take the best parts to improve any plans they have. :D
great video! keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
really nice iceas! I hope Embark watches this video!
This is a great vid man.
Thank you!
My guy has some big brain ideas, nice stuff 🙏🏻
Im glad i wasnt the only person inspired by that video. The finals has an open concept for world building like no other game and it needs to take advantage of that
Yeah! they've done such a good job at setting the universe up that I can't imagine they haven't got SOMETHING like this lined up.
love the ui and the sponsorships ideas :)
Thanks - there's more to come!
BRO THE SPONSORS IDEA, I LOVE THAT MAN, KEEP IT UP BROSKIE!
Very good pitch presentation!
Thank you for the support! :D
this could be the way for the finals to stand out over other games
This video is pure quality. Great ideas! Keep it up. New sub unlocked
Thank you for the support!
@@TheOllieJT you deserve it!
Underrated creator the work you’ve done is amazing and looking at feedback from a more objective viewpoint is what we all need to do a little more ngl
Also the ui work is insane mate I love these ideas I’ve heard the sponsor contracts prior but people mention a new person may be torn when choosing forcing them to be locked out of the other contract but having individual contestants be sponsored differently is a great idea
That's why I mentioned you could pick a different sponsor for each of your 6 contestants. In theory you could have a light, medium, and heavy signed to each of the 2 seasonal sponsors.
@@TheOllieJT yeah that’s great bro I would love that I already set out my contestants in a way that their load outs and outfits are sponsored
You are so in tune with the game to come up with this! This is better than what embark has come up with so far. I hope you can push this to them somehow - the beauty of it is that it would be easy to implement and brings a whole new dimension to progression that I haven't seen in another game
I really appreciate you saying that. Embark are doing great though... they have so many more constraints than me and they can't waste their resources investing too much into the wrong things. I hope content like this helps them learn more about what some of us want or don't want :)
@@TheOllieJT oh yeah don't get me wrong I think embark are doing a great job, I meant in terms of progression and UI I definitely think what you've done is better. Of course they have made a fabulous game with an identity all of it's own, I just hope it reaches more people soon. Keep up the good work 🤙
These mockups are SO COOL man !!!!!!!!!! Good job, i hope they will take references from your extremely good work.
I hope so too! Thanks for the support!
Wow i am really impressed this right here ia Gold from start to finish please tag the finals all we get this man up there
Thanks for the support! :)
Broo this is so sick, just wondering if embark has the budget for something as big as this 😭since there’s basically no lore right now adding this much lore based content is prob gonna take up most of their resources. Would be a different story if the finals was a pay to play game tho but not sure if we’d beable to have a large enough player base. Read that the devs are heavily focused on the ranked system for next season right now, I think we’ll possibly be seeing a lot more postgame feedback on individual player performance.
I think it's a mix of budget and pacing. This kinda stuff is important, but it shouldn't be prioritized over gameplay.
If they ever considered something like this I think they would start small and slowly add to it... kinda like they are already doing.
@@TheOllieJT hope they figure it out 😭 this would be sick, I dont even pay attention to any of the events in game currently.. just keep grinding ranked and everything unlocks eventually
This is amazing! I love the idea of having a different sponsor for each participant and being able to farm reputation and rewards through missions while playing with each character.
Nice vid! The reputation, sponsors and fans concepts really tie in well with the lore of THE FINALS in contrast to the wacky system we currently have, especially with how obscure and unrelated the lore has been with the actual Gameplay
I think they're just teasing it out slowly. I'm not sure how much they already have planned... but you don't have this much lore without a bit of planning - so I'm excited to see where they take it in season 3.
Never excepted this video to be this polished, well done !
Lots of room for improvement - but thanks a lot man. Glad it hit the mark for a lot of people.
@@TheOllieJT thing that bothered me the most was your mic sound, might want ro invest some time mixing it. Otherwise for the size of your channel, you can be very proud !
I did mix it as best I could without recording for a 5th time... I'm using a dynamic mic, which means it cancels out sound around it.
I think it's because I moved too much when recording.
I'm going to use a condenser mic next time.
Hyped! This needs to happen, hopefully Embark sees this 😎👌
Hopefully! Glad you liked it.
I hope they notice this. Amazing ideas. Great video.
I hope so too - Thank you so much!
I am here from all the finals content. thanks for this video.
great videos and great ideas!
Thanks so much!
That concept is absolutely sick! Would love to see this in-game as after i complete a circuit in 1 day all i can do is just play ranked with only one reason which is to rank up. A variety of a storyline of your character would be a game changer.
Great concept
We are festing
The rep concept and weekly sponsor clash banners etc.. great ideas here!
Thank you! The rep concept will be expanded a little as part of my next video ;)
Really cool thematic wrapping for a progression system, if a bit needlessly complicated. It's a neat idea and well executed.
You gained yourself a subscriber, nice to see other ux/ui peeps in the same gaming community
Thanks man! :)
DUDE WTF WAS THAT UI?! INCREDIBLE JOB!
These are such AWESOME ideas!! Please give us brand sponsorships! I love the idea of the competition/player contribution this would give the community. Stellar, STELLAR concept!!
Thank you! What did you like about the player contribution part? This is related to the next video I'm working on, so understanding your ideas and what you like could help a lot.
This video was great Ollie I subbed I hope others do too we need voices like yours in the finals community Thank You and I hope your channel grows
Thank you, I appreciate the support
You killed this! Great video - wish I had feedback! Would love to see embark get you in on some consulting sessions
That would be fun... but I'm sure they're still catching up with the things they want to add but haven't had the time for.
Really love the concept! Really brings me back to games like Monday Night Combat or Larger scale games like Planet Side 2 or Foxhole where players make the decision to associate with an in-game team or sponsor.
Think this would bring a really healthy goofy meta competition and a really unique concept back to life! More games gotta get a little risky and try crazy ideas and I think this one would help a lot to make The Finals stick out and really tie into that Gameshow Tournament Arena feel!
These ideas are so cool
Thank you!
I did a UI overhaul of tha main menu for my portfolio piece and instantly thought of the idea of signing with sponsors! Glad I'm not the only one thinking of this!
Awesome Video and good ideas! I hope Embark checks out these ideas and explore them in the coming seasons. Only criticism I have is your microphone. Sounded a bit messed up, like someone was cranking the input volume up and down while you speak
thank you... and yeahhh. it was an issue with my mic but I'm still figuring out how to avoid it.
i feel the same with UI and view of the game a good clean UI and stuff really makes a game good and feel good
reminds me of Splatfests... this is brilliant im going to share it EVERYWHERE
stellar work!
Hey! Thanks for the support :)
I loved this Video; this is exactly what i would like to see Aswell! You cooked on this one Ollie!
Thanks Mason!
THIS IS FREAKING GENIUS
You need 2 things:
1) probably a better mic /clear pronunciarion. I personally struggled sometimes to understand you.
2)Bigger fanbase. This video was pretty much straight to the point with a more fleshed out version of sponsor concept. Also a great overwiew on the problem
Thanks for the support.
1 - Yeah my mic ducking in and out didn't help a lot. I already have a solution lined up for future videos.
2 - I wish! I've been blown away by the organic support... but I was hoping some streamers (like ottr) might watch parts of this on stream and talk about it.
@@TheOllieJTcan i suggest you a good microphone? Something other normally don't suggest. It's something i bought for my yt channel
I’m such a big advocate for this game and your ideas sound truly fun, especially the sponsorship one. Sponsor themed cosmetics (similar to the quality of the M11 Ospuze skin) could make for clean rewards🔥
LOVE the gather fans concept as ranked. Its so fluid with The Finals concept where they fight in arena full of fans!
Nice video my dude
Thank you, Glad you enjoyed!
nice work
Amazing stuff, damn
good vid but you should try to fix the audio a bit, there are some really weird cut offs probably related to some noise supression vst that is being too aggressive
I know we are not the biggest gaming community, but definitely the best! Amazing video!
One day, maybe... Thank you!
This is a great idea. If The Finals doesn’t take a look at this, I definitely believe someone will. Great work!
I think it could also be great if the story and lore of sponsors would give them thier own personality and character. Like some sponsors may take more straight forward, confident, aggressive actions in their lore like a huge monopoly corporation would do and others are more for people and do their best at having good reputation ( like embark :) ). This will stick some people to a single sponsors just cuz they rly like its personality just as some people main chars in games cuz of their lore. And this could also interact with ingame expirience as a match events, map design, mb some special comms while match( like imagine killing ospuze guy and scotty is dropping joke about ospuze), there are lots of things that may be very cool to connect to the sponsors theme.
the effort on this video is huge, all my praises to you Ollie!!
Tho the audio could be a little bit better, it seems like the volume isnt constant enough for the kind of locution you are going for, and that is tiring on the ear after a couple of minutes, everything else is top tier bro ❤
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Incredible btw
Fire videoo man❤❤❤
Thank you!
This concept reminds me a lot of how factions wars work in For Honor, great idea!
Holy shit this is amazing